February 11, 2025 • 45 mins
In this episode, Lisa talks with Bobby Burack, a writer for OutKick, about the cultural and media landscape post-2024 election. They discuss the cultural divide on gender identity and sports, highlighting President Trump's stance on the issue. Bobby notes the declining trust in mainstream media like CNN and MSNBC, with audiences turning to independent voices. The role of celebrities in politics, particularly Taylor Swift, is examined, revealing a growing public skepticism. The episode also touches on the influence of figures like Elon Musk and the potential future political dynamics, including the emergence of new leaders like JD Vance. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
So there are two questions we're going to try to
dig into in today's show.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Where are we culturally as a.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Country posts the twenty twenty four election, and what is
the state of today's media?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Where are we culturally?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know, you look since President Trump was elected and
has taken office, that DEI is de Men are no
longer desired to play in women's sports. He has made
that clear. Men are men, women or women. There are
only two genders, is what he has been clear and
has stated. But also, where is the media today? And
(00:39):
what should we make of the coverage of President Trump's
second term so far? And where's the media heading when
you see MSNBC and CNN in a free fall? So
what does that mean for the mainstream media? What does
that mean for the rest of the media. We're going
to get into these two topics with someone who I
trust very much to have this conversation and who is
(01:00):
constantly writing about both culture as well as the state
of the media, and has done so very accurately and
with a very clear and interesting voice. His name is
Bobby Barrock and he works for OutKick.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So we're gonna have a.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Mind it to talk about all these issues and then also,
why has Elon Musk become target number one target numero.
You know, we see him constantly in the headlines, constantly
attacked by the media, So why is he and what
are his true motivations? So all of that and more
with my friend Bobby Burrock from OutKick Stay tuned. Well, Bobby,
(01:40):
it's great to have you on a lot to talk
about going on in the media, so appreciate you making
the time.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, Lisa, of course, happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, first of all, before we get started about you know,
political stuff and you know, more important stuff, what did
you think of the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It was probably the worst game super Bowl wise in
a long time. It's interesting because over half of the
people who watched the Super Bowl don't watch any other
football game all year, so it's supposed to be a
demonstration of how great the product was, and it was
(02:21):
just awful. The game was so uncompetitive it felt over
by the end of the first quarter. And I know
you and I were texting. I think you declared it
over after the Eagles went up seventeen to zero, after
they pick six, and you end up being right. I know,
what did you think?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, so I played sports competitively growing up, and you
could just tell out of the gate the beginning of
the game that the Eagles came to play and the
Chiefs were off balance, and so like from the beginning,
I think I like tweeted something about, you know, like,
oh man, the Eagles came to play tonight. And so
after that I kind of felt like, you know, I
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don't know, I didn't know if the Chiefs were going
to be able to kind of get their footing again,
and they were unable to do so, so I think
the Eagles just came out strong and you know, came
to play and the Chiefs didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
That's really all it came down to. But what did
you think about?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So we saw President Trump on the jumbo tron and
it sounded like, you know, he received cheers from the
crowd and excited crowd to see him. And then they
showed Taylor Swift and she got booze from the crowd.
Is that indicative of anything or are we reading too
much into that? You know, there were you know, Eagles
fans tend to be a little bit more aggressive, like, yeah,
(03:36):
they destroy their city win or lose, like most fans
don't do.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So so was that just like a product of you know,
Eagles fans hating her, or is that sort of does
that tell us a little bit something about the vibe
shift in the country and the direction we're heading in.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
So there was a New York Times Siena pull that
came out in August that said that nation Taylor Swift
had a lower approval rating than President Trump, and a
lot of people, including me, said, well, how can that
be true. She's a celebrity, he's a presidential candidate. No
matter what political party you are, your approval rating tends
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to be lower than most celebrities, particularly one as famous
as she is. But I do wonder if that poll
was accurate. Now because Lisa, something really interesting has happened
where the country no longer looks up to celebrities, but
(04:37):
in a lot of ways we despise them. We look
at them as out of touch with us normal people,
that they don't have our best interest in mind. And
I don't think it helped Kamala Harris at all that
all those celebrities Beyonce A jay z in a running
list came out and said we need her as president
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and the invert so that I think Donald Trump, we
used to talk about this silent majority. Now that silent
majority is no longer afraid to show their support for him,
but they're proud of it. And you go to big
cities across the country, you see far more maga hats.
People are more willing to embrace their support for Trump.
(05:22):
So I think not only is it a vibe shift,
but people are not self censoring their support for him anymore.
They're coming to it. I think it's a very big
positive development.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well, I think, you know, people just got beaten down
for too long with you know, everything from you know,
COVID to to racism, to sexism to you know, all
this stuff, and people just kind of got tired of
being told they can't say things, or you know, or
everything being tainted as some sort of negative when when
it was not.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So, we had an anonymous TV exec before the election
say that if Trump were to win the that would
mean the mainstream media is dead. What is the state
of the mainstream media today post presidential election.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's the weakest that it's ever been by far. I
don't know if I'll go dead, because I think there
are still a sub section of Americans who rely on
the ABC's and New York Times, NBC's and CBS is.
But Lisa, they don't have the influence that they once had.
I was discussing this with someone last week. Five years ago.
(06:34):
I don't know if Pete Hegseeth could have survived because
of how ferocious and vile the attacks were from the press.
But it didn't matter because the more they lied about him,
the more they reported on him inaccurately. I think the
more Republicans get rallied around him, and people on the
outside said, well, if Pete's an enemy of them, he
(06:57):
must be for us. For almost a decade, these journalists,
television pundits, fact checkers, and political analysts have lied and
deceived their supporters. I mean it started most famously with
the Russia hoax, and I think it ended with that
(07:19):
Liz Cheney hoax. Were a few days before the election,
it was plastered all across the Internet and television that
Trump vowed to execute Liz Cheney. He never said that.
But you look at the duration between eight years from
the Russia hoax to that lie, and there was so
many in between. The bloodbath hoax, lying about COVID, misquoting
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Donald Trump. Some of the George Floyd lies. When you
lie over and over again, people are eventually going to
catch on. Now. It took a lot longer than any
of us have hoped for because I think you and
I know the mainstream media hasn't been honest in a
very long time. But something very interesting happened ahead of
the election where the most influential voices were independent podcast
(08:09):
Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn Busting with the Boys. These are
not shows connected to billion dollar conglomerates. These are just
people who operate their shows independently, and as far as
reaching people and changing their minds and opening up different conversations,
(08:30):
the media and the mainstream side doesn't do that anymore,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
But I mean, I guess one thing that we see.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A lot though, is, you know, people in the media
like Johnny Come Lately is right, like even Bill Maher
or like Stephen A. Smith or whatever, you know, like
they arrive at the right conclusion like five months too late,
and then people give them a pat on the back
and congratulate them for it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, Stephen A. Smith, such a great point, because that's
exactly what he's doing. He makes very weak points. Then
he's wrong then he admits he's wrong, and everybody pats
him on the back and says that he's been a
red pill. Not not really. I think Stephen A. Smith
is honestly just a grifter. I don't find him all
(09:15):
that intelligent or all that smart. Bill Maher is smart
and intelligent, but he doesn't have very good I don't
think his read on stories are good early on. I
think it takes him a very long time to realize
what is the right conclusion, particularly the COVID vaccine. I mean,
how many people demanded everybody get the JAB and then
(09:37):
a couple of years later they realize, yeah, maybe we're
too aggressive, maybe we should have asked more questions. But
so much of the media now is based on I
think perception and people wanting to fit in feel like
they're important, and that's why they all rally behind the
exact same talking points over over again. And someone like
(10:01):
Joe Rogan is such an interesting case study because I
don't think he's the most thought provoking voice. He's not
the most interesting, But what he is is curious. He
will listen to people with different viewpoints, he will ask questions,
he will sit there and wonder if you're making a
(10:24):
point he didn't understand. And if you look at who's
having success and who's not, Americans want curiosity. They don't
want to be browbeaten by some ivy league educated person
with fancy hair and black suits telling them how to
live their lives. They want to hear the questions that
they would ask.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, it's good to hear because I went to the
University of Tennessee. We've got more of Bobby in just
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We're seeing CNN and MSNBC kind of in a free fall.
You know, MSNBC is going to be spun off. You
look at CNN after the election, they saw forty five
percent drop in their primetime viewership. You know they last
year they had the worst performance among viewers and the
key demographic.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
The revenue is.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Following as well. What does it mean for MSNBC and
CNN are either salvagable or you know, what's the future
for those networks?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I think is one of the fascinating questions of media
over the next four years. These are two networks that
as of right now really are on unsustainable trajectories because
now are they losing revenue. I think CNN has lost
some four hundred million dollars in the past two to
three years. The salary costs remain very high, and when
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they no longer making as much money, well you're on
a path to lose money. We saw this happen with
Late Night. James Cordon left CBS, but he didn't really leave.
CBS pushed him out because his show was losing on
average twenty million dollars a year. You give a TV
anchor a lot of money, they no longer draw advertising revenue.
(13:03):
Then you become a show in the red. And that's
the risk that CNN and MSNBC are on right now,
is that they cannot continue to pay Rachel Maddow twenty
five million dollars a year Anderson Cooper twenty million dollars
a year when these shows are barely averaging a million
viewers and CNN's case, I think their top rated show
(13:25):
is averaging fewer than seven hundred thousand viewers. It becomes
a point of discussion, what do these networks provide viewers.
They're not independent, they don't say anything differently than you
get in the broadcast news. I guess they're a bit
more animated. I mean, if you like what Joey Reid
(13:45):
has to say and that sort of nastiness. But in general,
they're not selling their viewers, not anything they want. And
they've lost trust too. There was just a study that
came out that these legacy news networks have the least
amount of trust among the American people, meaning the American
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people trust Congress more than they trust CNN. And MSNBC,
and that's just a devastating study. I mean, my prediction
is is that Warner brother Discovery, the parent company of CNN,
will look to sell the cable network in the next
four years. As far as MSNBC, Comcast is spinning them off,
(14:28):
we'll see if that's approved. But if that happens, I
think you'll see the network become pretty low rent as
they no longer have NBC News to back them financially
or editorially. And what about CNN, Yeah, I think their
parent company, WBD will look to sell them at some
point because what's really interesting is that company is struggling
(14:53):
so mightily because they're reliant on cable channels, which Wall
Street considers quote unquote dead weight. So the only growth
potential WBD has is with the streaming service Max. So
CNN actually holds them back, which is what Comcasts calculated
as well. The reason that they are spinning off USA
(15:17):
network MSNBC is because they need to separate them from Peacock,
which is their only growth prospect.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Why do you think CNN Plus did so terribly.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well? I think we nobody wants to watch your channel
for free and you start charging people for it. It's
always a bad idea. I think that's point number one.
But I mean it really comes down to Lisa. CNN
doesn't employ personalities that people want to hear from, right,
I mean, what was CNN plus Brian Stelter, Jamel Hill,
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Rex Chapman, Jake Tapper's book club, someone named Casey Haunt
who I didn't even know at the time. When you're
telling people, hey, pay us seven dollars a month to
hear from these people, They're like, well, well do we
care about any of them? Right? If you're gonna charge
somebody a monthly fee, you better employ some really important
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people like Look, Glenn Greenwald can sell subscriptions, Bill O'Reilly
Tucker Carlson, they can sell subscriptions. Anderson Cooper, Brian Stelter,
Oliver Darcy who's no longer there. They're not the ones.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
What do you make of the coverage so far in
President Trump's first term? Do you see has the media
learned any lessons from you know, the years before, or
you know, kind of what do you make of how
he's being covered so far?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I don't think they've learned anything. In fact, they seem
desperate to establish a new Russia. Hoaps. Remember the first
time he got in everything was about Russia. They wanted
to dis credit his his administration by saying he colluded
with Vladimir Putin. They've tried to find a new storyline
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this time around. Remember it started off with he's forming
an oligarchy with Elon Musk and the tech bros. That
didn't really stick. Now they're back to this idea that
he's a fascist in a Nazi So they're looking for
this consensus storyline. But again, the people aren't buying it
because the people don't trust the networks in outlets covering Trump,
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and I think the coverage is bad too. You read
the tone the analysis, it's just so inaccurate. I mean
you saw these analysts and experts talk about how dangerous
it was to depoor dangerous illegal migrants that have committed
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rape and the part of gangs. It's like, really that
that's the storyline you're going with. You now have people
complaining that Trump isn't supporting u Zelensky enough. Again, really, Zelensky,
someone who seems like a power hungry dictator who has
been using our money, shouldn't be we should not be
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funding it. So I think they are desperate to find
a way to be little Trump and turn the country
against Trump. But it's not working. You see the approval
ratings some of the charts. Trump is more popular as
a politician today than he ever has been before.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's true, which is good to see.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
What do you think Elon's because you know, Elon has
become like the number one target now, I mean, probably
even more so than Trump.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
When't you think?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I do? Yeah, And I think it's the idea is
to again take credit away from Trump by portraying it
as he is now being outsmarted by this oligarch. But
I mean, Elon Musk it looks like target number one
right now. I think he's doing a lot of really
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good things with DOJE. I think the question that I've
always wanted to ask people in power, if you were
to give me a microphone and say, hey, ask every
influential person in DC one question. It would be why
does our country not act in its best interest? And
you're starting to see why because I mean, we're giving
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money to so many countries that we shouldn't be. We're
wasting taxpayer money really at a disgusting rate. And who
knows the exact reason why maybe it's idiocy, maybe it's blackmail,
but this money should not be going where it's going,
and I love to see Elon draining things like us AID.
He says he's going to focus on the Department of
(19:51):
Education and Military next, which I think we're going to
discover is just as weaponized financially as USAID. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean, I think what we're going to find out
at the end of these four years is that the
government's basically just like a giant money laundering scheme.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Absolutely, it's LLC more than anything I always talk which
kind of government is the US? It is a money
laundering scheme, as you said, And what's so frustrating is
it's a shock to us, but not really. We didn't
know exactly where the money was going, but we knew
it was being wasted. But there are probably a lot
of powerful people who knew exactly where this money was going,
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but they just shut up and went along to get along.
Into me that is completely disqualifying.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
You know, what do you think Elon's intentions? What are
his motivations do you think and wanting to be so
involved in government.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, it's an interesting question. I get the sense that
Elon like a lot of us just hates how our
government operates, how it dismisses people, and I think he
actually does wanted to make it a better place. There
was all the speculation why did he buy Twitter. I
think honestly he bought Twitter to do what he has done,
(21:09):
which is restore free speech on the Internet. And President
Trump told Brett Bahar on Sunday, I mean, I can't
even believe Elon's doing this. He's so busy, he doesn't
need to do it. He has all the money in
the world. He's not gaining anything by going through these
documents and running does. I think Elon wants America to
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be not to use the cliche, but as great as
it can be. I have full trust in Elon honestly.
I mean I'm not someone who looks up to celebrities
or elites or billionaires, but I've been very impressed by him.
I think if anyone is to do this, he's the
right guy to do it. And I trust him exponentially
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more than I would some DC swamp creature who's been
there his whole life and has probably compromise in every
wish direction.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You know, I've been thinking about this for a while lately.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It's it's kind of funny that after all the criticism
that President Trump has received and all the labels that
you know, have been assigned to him, you know, dictator,
you know, all these different things, right, threats to democracy,
that he could end up being the one to restore
or faith in government.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Via you know, doge and.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Sort of all this discovery about how our government operates.
But also just like the releasing of documents and transparency.
Do you do you think people will have a renewed
faith in government at the end of President Trump's turn term.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's such a good question because there's two parts to this.
More than anything, he is going to instill in them
why they can never ever trust establishment government again. He
is going to reveal what they've been hiding, and I
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think that is going to in return and restore faith
in him. But I think it's going to be devastating
for traditional politicians going forward. I think in twenty twenty
eight it's going to be very hard for some of
the Democrats who wanted all this stuff hidden and continue
to be buried, to ask Americans to put their faith
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in them going forward. But you're absolutely right, the way
Trump is portrayed is so backwards to what he actually is.
Threat democracy in a lot of ways. He wants to
show the people who make up democracy, which is us,
the voters, exactly how this country runs. And it's a
great observation by you. I said it on an inauguration day.
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I think Donald Trump will leave the White House in
four years and a lot of people who are skeptical
of him are going to come around and say, you
know what, he did a really good job. He was
exactly what we need. And I think that could have
a trickle down effect for decades to about who we
should and should not trust with power.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, I think too, like he's probably going to go
down as one of the most transformational characters and and
you know individuals and American history in the sense of
like he's completely transformed the Republican Party, He's completely transformed government.
He has completely transformed the media, right, you know, look
at how much the media has changed since he walked
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down the Golden Escalator.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So, I mean, do you.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Think he'll go down as one of the most transformational
individuals we've we've had in American history?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Oh? Absolutely, I would say world history. I think he
has changed the course of global affairs as well. I
mean I was thinking about this. He and this is
not me cheerleading for Donald Trump. I think everybody knows
I'm not someone who wants to bow down and worship anyone,
but he's certainly the most fascinating person of my lifetime
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and probably anyone who's alive right now. Just his impact
and you went down the list. I mean, look at culturally,
he has completely changed culture the way we interact. He's
shown people how to fight, not to be submissive to
these thought police and these dei surge police officers that
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just always want to call everything racist and sexist and transphobic.
I think Donald Trump's legacy will be hard to grasp
and right away. I think when you look back, you're
going to say there was an America pre Trump in
post Trump, and those two things are going to look
very differently.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It'll be it'll be interesting at the end of four
years from now, you know just how much of the
world has changed. I mean, even just in the conversation
we're talking about, just like even how the media is changing.
And you know MSNBC look like, what will CNN look like?
You know, what will the country look like? Well, more
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you find it interesting that when asked by Brett Behar
about if JD. Vance was going to be his successor
you know, he kind of didn't really want to answer
that question.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, I did. I was very surprised. I thought he
would say something along the line. JD's doing a great job,
and by the way, I think he is. One of
my favorite decisions Trump has made so far, is selecting JD. Vance.
But yeah, I was surprised that he I think he
actually used the word no, it's too early. There's a
lot of capable people in the field. I expected him
(27:54):
to be much more, say aggressive in trying to uh
answer that question in favor of JD. Advance. But I
don't want to read too much into it, because we
know sometimes presidents are reluctant to support a candidate told
the very very end for a multitude of reasons. But
I mean looking ahead to twenty twenty eight, and I
don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves, because
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I think things are pretty positive right now, or at
least heading in the right direction. I think JD. Advance should,
assuming things continue to go well, walk into the twenty
twenty eight primary as the favorite. Now you talk to
people who've covered administrations and they say, there is not
a single president and vice president who doesn't end up
(28:37):
hating each other after two years of working together. Maybe
that's true, maybe it's not. But I think JD. Advance
is in a pretty good position. I think he so smart,
so eloquent, and really is the natural successor to inherit
this America First movement.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think as long as he can.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Obviously, you stay in the president's good grace us.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Over the day, because you know, it's a tough position.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
To you to try to find your way and to
try to layer your marker down. Obviously it did not
work for Kamala Harris, but you know Biden was able
to use it to his advantage previously. So you know,
it'll be interesting to see kind of who takes on
that mantle, and also if President Trump wants to endorse her,
(29:23):
if he just kind of wants to stay out of
a crowded primary as well, because obviously his endorsement would
probably probably seal the deal.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, it is very difficult. Like I think one of
the examples that you would look back to was Al Gore.
A lot of people thought he would be the natural successor,
and he did get the nominee, but you know, he
didn't have nearly the upper hand in the general election
as people thought. So we'll see. You know, Advance can
do that, but right he I think staying in the
good grace of Trump is crucial. Mike Pence didn't do that.
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I think JD. Vance is far more impressive than Mike Pence,
particularly when it comes to someone who believes what Donald
Trump believes. I don't think Mike Pence was ever that
type of Republican.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You've read a lot about sort of the media's fixation
on race and how they drive divisions through it. Do
you think that, you know, since we've seen with President
Trump and his administration, you know, order just with the
executive orders and sort of the desire to do away
with DEI will that have a downstream effect in terms
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of the rest of the country and the media's coverage
as well on some of these issues that you've written
so much about.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I'm so hopeful because I just think it's so nightmarish
how people in power, and I keep using that word
because everything does come back to the people in charge
have used race to divide us. To to scare us
and really to conquer more power. For so long, the
race card has been this conversation stopper. When somebody threatens
(30:58):
to call you racist, everybody just shuts up and gets
in line. And we are seeing some downstream effect. Google
is doing away with a lot of their DEI initiatives.
I believe they've taken down some social justice initiatives on
their website. I mean the NFL which did this completely independent.
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They took away the phrase and racism in the end zone.
But at the same time, you're seeing a lot of
growing resistance to making everything about race. I think for
a while here the media and Democrats are going to
try to use race as proof, Hey, you shouldn't have
voted for Donald Trump. Look at he's exactly what we
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warn he's against black people, which is a total lie
when you consider what he actually has done for black people.
But it comes down to again, the average American doesn't
buy into any of this stuff. What was so telling.
The Democratic polling firm Blueprint posted results a week after
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the election why swing state voters rejected Kamala Harris. Number
one was the economy, obviously, Number two, the border okay,
Number three was that she focused too much on culture
war issues such as race, DEI, transgenderism. And while that
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is on the political scale, I think the media and
these independent businesses are going to come to realize if
we keep pushing this race narrative, our customers are going
to rebel. You're going to see something very similar to
bud Light where people are not going to want to
support you. So I think eventually we will get past
(32:45):
this phrase and this stage. But I think for the
next six months, you're going to see the legacy media
and the main opposition of Donald Trump tried to use
race to gain back some of their momentum.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Did you see with the commercials for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
What did that tell you?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
What do those commercials tell you about where our culture stands?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Now? Yeah, it was interesting. You didn't see as much
social messaging. It was much more focused on the brand product,
which is the positive, right, And no one wants to
watch the Super Bowl and be preached to by advertising firms.
So I'm all in on this culture shift. I think
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it's true, and I'm optimistic about it in general. Obviously
I'm a bit pestimistic just what could happen, But yeah,
I think the commercials did show that some of these
businesses have realized people don't come to us for our politics.
They don't come to us for social issues. They come
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to us because they want to buy what we're selling.
And by and large, I would say ninety percent of
the commercials focused on just that, whether it was Pepsi
or a car company or a fast food joint.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
If I missed anything in this conversation that we should
talk about.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Let's see. Well, all right, So Lisa Booth, as was
proven on Fox about a year ago, is secretly a
sports expert. She he knew more about Dion Sanders than anyone.
He called the Eagles game over before the masses. So, uh,
(34:30):
I have asked you, Lisa as sort of a secret
sports fan. Uh. Is Patrick Mahomes no longer in the
Goat conversation? You can't ask your dad because you know
he's probably busy right now. But I'm gonna put you
on the spot.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, in fairness, I did, and I stated this when
I was on the Big Show. I did phone a
friend and that phone that friend was my dad for
the Banners conversation. You know.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
How old is he? Again? I forget?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Oh, I did remember I sent you that meme. There's
this really funny meme and it was like it's like,
you know, me at thirty five, I still have the
rest of the life ahead of me.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And then it's like, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
NFL football players thirty two, Uh can't like a miracle.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
He's still playing, Like so you know, I don't know.
I guess he's getting out there a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So yeah, maybe, but he does seem like a good guy,
you know, so I want, right, doesn't he seem like
a good guy?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
He doesn't like, he's not like a Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Also, I tweeted out like a rage tweet about Travis
Kelsey and it's gone like almost ninety thousand, like so
clearly I'm not alone in my disdain for him. But
Patrick Mahomes seems like a decent guy. You know, his
wife's a little over the top, but you know, she
seems like her heart's in the good, the right place,
and you know, she's been pretty bold with her beliefs
in a way other people are scared too, so like, yeah,
(35:59):
and they seem to love each other like their high
school sweethearts. That's really kind of you know, I like that.
That's very sweet. Yeah, they seem to love each other.
You know, he believes in God, so yeah, I mean,
I don't know, I wish the best room. He seems
like a good dude, unlike Travis Kelcey, Like.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
And I know you put on your sports cap now
I'm gonna ask you to put on your music caf.
I've been getting crushed all week because that was pretty
critical of Kenjul Kamar. It's the criticism aimed towards me.
Fair follow I know you do like hip hop to
some degree. What were your thoughts in the halftime show?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I thought it sucked because halftime shows are supposed to
be fun, Like you're supposed to dance, you.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Want to have a good time with it.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
It's supposed like and even if you saw the audience's reaction,
like I saw some clips online and like people weren't dancing,
they weren't having fun, Like everyone was just kind of
like what's happening, right? And so like, and I like
a couple of his songs, but they're just not fun.
And so I think that And I like rap, So
it's not because oh I don't like rap or you know,
(37:04):
because like I'm you know, don't understand it or whatever.
I just it was boring and you could barely understood.
You could barely understand a word that he was saying.
And like, I think someone like a little Wayne would
have been a lot better if you wanted a rapper,
you know, that's kind of what you were looking for,
if that's the genre that you wanted to entertain, because
his music's fun and more people would know the words
(37:25):
to it, and you know, and he's a fun guy too,
and so I think that the audience just would have
had a better reaction. I think they would have been
dancing and it would have just lightened the mood. And so, like,
I was not a fan, and I think that I
don't understand why anyone would defend the halftime show and
tell us that like it was garbage.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, I'm still with you in I think a larger
point to this. Kenda Lamar was the first Super Bowl
performer who was post monoculture. Everything in American culture has
become pretty niche now, So I would have reckoned that
a lot of viewers didn't know any of his song.
(38:07):
The only one I knew was the one that was
directed at Drake. So I'm thinking, well, if I didn't
know the songs. People that are older than me probably
didn't know any of them. And you're right, it was
hard to understand what he was saying. I don't know
if the music in the background was too loud or
what the problem was, but I couldn't understand his lyrics
(38:29):
and that made it very difficult.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And even the not like Us song that is so
popular about Drake that like, isn't even a fun song, right, So,
like that doesn't make you want to get up and dance, So.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Like, I just like, I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I feel like that was a bad decision to pick
him personally, and it was just sort of a buzzkill
for a game that was already kind of just lagging
and lacking in terms of entertainment. So zero stars is
my rate and sums down is what I would say,
is my my Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Lamar review grader, Yeah, yeah, you know, he sucked. Also,
I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
You know, I'm surprised that Drake hasn't sued him, So
perhaps maybe the things he has there's more truth than
some of the things he is saying. I don't know,
you would think that if someone accuses you of such
terrible things and song that would be defamatory.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
But yeah, maybe there's I digress. There's different rules for
like the hip hop beef right. Remember Biggie Tupac, Like
that got pretty messy too, And I'm not talking about
the shootings, right, I know that was like really.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Lyrics but as messy as it gets.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
But like Free the Two Murders, that thing got pretty
messy with the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I guess, like you look like a coward. Then if
you're like right, so, like you'd probably like lose like credit,
but you'd probably look like a whoos if you threaten
to sue someone because they said mean things to you, right,
So like, I guess you you can't like you, you know,
losing credibility would be worse than being called these terrible things.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Maybe, I don't know, Especially when you're in the midst
of the beef right. It's like, uh, when you're in
high school and two guys are competing for the same
girl and then you know, the one of them says
something pretty grotesque about the other. You don't want to
be the guy who runs the principal and says, hey,
you know, Derek, call me this. You want to stay
cool and unfazed. So I get it.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
But Kendrick Lamar is a very small man in stature.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
He's also just like very thin, and so I was
surprised after saying that that he starts so much beef
because you would think that, you know, if he were
to get in a fight, that would not end well
for him. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
That was another thought process of mine, So it.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Would have been you would have I did tweet a
lot because I watched the game by myself, and so
I was just like, you know, tweeting my random stream
of thoughts throughout the game.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
So just to recat, I just want to make sure
we got it all. You struggled the pick between the
Chiefs or Eagles because you're a redskin fan, but well.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I used to be.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
I don't know if I can call myself a Redskins
fan still because they ditched the name and then when
they did so, they kind of lost my But I
briefly I thought about jumping on the bandwagon again when
they were you know, when they're in the championship.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
But I did grow up a Redskins fan. My dad's
like die hard, and so yeah, so you do.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
You respect both Jalen Hurst and Patrick Mahomes No argument there,
And you think short guys should maybe stay away from
the beef.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Well, you know, I just think that.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You know, if you're gonna, you know, talk a lot
of crap like that, you might get punched, right, And
so that's you know, sometimes what can happen in those scenarios.
So you would just think that he would have a
little bit more to kind of to back up the mouth, but.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
He doesn't. So you know, we'll see how that works
out for him.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
I don't know, it's not up to me, but so okay,
and then last question, and then well what do you
think do you think that Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's
relationship is real? And will they stay together now that
he's a little bit of a loser.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, And that's the thing, right, like you know, when
you're two times and.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Also she got booed, will he stay with her after? Yeah,
she's no longer beloved.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, it's a lot easier to have the girl when
you're a two times super Bowl champion, not when you
lose and get demolished and have a very very bad game.
It's interesting because we don't know that Travis Kelsey's ever
going to play football again. There were several reports on
Sunday that they might retire. So will she want to
still date post football Kelsey versus Kelsey the superstar and
(43:06):
I'm more serious. No, you know, they seem genuine, like
you see them just out in public with pictures and videos.
But I've come to learn, Lisa, all these celebrity relationships
are usually a bit for show. So would I'd be
surprised we just woke up one day and found out
they were no longer together, not at all, especially given
(43:30):
both of their track records. Just the way it goes.
So but I do think when I see them, it
does seem more genuine than some of these athlete pop
star relationships that seem like they're just good for branding
and for show. But I wouldn't go as far as saying,
this is Patrick and Brittany Mahomes, where you know they've
(43:51):
known each other forever and we know there is no
sort of pr incentive for them to stay together.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, I know, they seem very much And to be clear, obviously,
if you actually loved someone, you would stay together with
them even if they do become a loser in football,
but I don't know if they're really in love, so
we'll find out, all right, Bobby, it's great to talk
to you. My friends appreciate you coming on, and you're
just a good friend and a good guy.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
And everyone go where can people check out your work?
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeahoutkick dot com. Pretty much all of us there in
some way form or another. But I appreciate you having me,
and congratulations for you and all your success. I know
this podcast is killing it. As always say, I'm still
so proud of you for staying true to who you are.
At the early stage of COVID, you were one of
(44:41):
the only people willing to go public with your skepticism
of the vaccine. That seems simple now because everybody does it,
but at a time nobody else would. You were one
of the very first people and you gained a lot
of my respect for that always and yeah, I just
want to let everybody know, Oh, I'm how genuine you are.
(45:02):
You're the exact same Lisa off air that you are
on air, and that's a rare thing to say.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
That was Bobby Buruk.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
We appreciate him for making the time. Appreciate you guys
at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. Now I
want to think John Cassio and my producer for putting
the show together.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Until next time.
So there are two questions we're going to try to
dig into in today's show.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Where are we culturally as a.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Country posts the twenty twenty four election, and what is
the state of today's media?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Where are we culturally?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know, you look since President Trump was elected and
has taken office, that DEI is de Men are no
longer desired to play in women's sports. He has made
that clear. Men are men, women or women. There are
only two genders, is what he has been clear and
has stated. But also, where is the media today? And
(00:39):
what should we make of the coverage of President Trump's
second term so far? And where's the media heading when
you see MSNBC and CNN in a free fall? So
what does that mean for the mainstream media? What does
that mean for the rest of the media. We're going
to get into these two topics with someone who I
trust very much to have this conversation and who is
(01:00):
constantly writing about both culture as well as the state
of the media, and has done so very accurately and
with a very clear and interesting voice. His name is
Bobby Barrock and he works for OutKick.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So we're gonna have a.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Mind it to talk about all these issues and then also,
why has Elon Musk become target number one target numero.
You know, we see him constantly in the headlines, constantly
attacked by the media, So why is he and what
are his true motivations? So all of that and more
with my friend Bobby Burrock from OutKick Stay tuned. Well, Bobby,
(01:40):
it's great to have you on a lot to talk
about going on in the media, so appreciate you making
the time.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, Lisa, of course, happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, first of all, before we get started about you know,
political stuff and you know, more important stuff, what did
you think of the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It was probably the worst game super Bowl wise in
a long time. It's interesting because over half of the
people who watched the Super Bowl don't watch any other
football game all year, so it's supposed to be a
demonstration of how great the product was, and it was
(02:21):
just awful. The game was so uncompetitive it felt over
by the end of the first quarter. And I know
you and I were texting. I think you declared it
over after the Eagles went up seventeen to zero, after
they pick six, and you end up being right. I know,
what did you think?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, so I played sports competitively growing up, and you
could just tell out of the gate the beginning of
the game that the Eagles came to play and the
Chiefs were off balance, and so like from the beginning,
I think I like tweeted something about, you know, like,
oh man, the Eagles came to play tonight. And so
after that I kind of felt like, you know, I
(02:59):
don't know, I didn't know if the Chiefs were going
to be able to kind of get their footing again,
and they were unable to do so, so I think
the Eagles just came out strong and you know, came
to play and the Chiefs didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
That's really all it came down to. But what did
you think about?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So we saw President Trump on the jumbo tron and
it sounded like, you know, he received cheers from the
crowd and excited crowd to see him. And then they
showed Taylor Swift and she got booze from the crowd.
Is that indicative of anything or are we reading too
much into that? You know, there were you know, Eagles
fans tend to be a little bit more aggressive, like, yeah,
(03:36):
they destroy their city win or lose, like most fans
don't do.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So so was that just like a product of you know,
Eagles fans hating her, or is that sort of does
that tell us a little bit something about the vibe
shift in the country and the direction we're heading in.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
So there was a New York Times Siena pull that
came out in August that said that nation Taylor Swift
had a lower approval rating than President Trump, and a
lot of people, including me, said, well, how can that
be true. She's a celebrity, he's a presidential candidate. No
matter what political party you are, your approval rating tends
(04:16):
to be lower than most celebrities, particularly one as famous
as she is. But I do wonder if that poll
was accurate. Now because Lisa, something really interesting has happened
where the country no longer looks up to celebrities, but
(04:37):
in a lot of ways we despise them. We look
at them as out of touch with us normal people,
that they don't have our best interest in mind. And
I don't think it helped Kamala Harris at all that
all those celebrities Beyonce A jay z in a running
list came out and said we need her as president
(04:59):
and the invert so that I think Donald Trump, we
used to talk about this silent majority. Now that silent
majority is no longer afraid to show their support for him,
but they're proud of it. And you go to big
cities across the country, you see far more maga hats.
People are more willing to embrace their support for Trump.
(05:22):
So I think not only is it a vibe shift,
but people are not self censoring their support for him anymore.
They're coming to it. I think it's a very big
positive development.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well, I think, you know, people just got beaten down
for too long with you know, everything from you know,
COVID to to racism, to sexism to you know, all
this stuff, and people just kind of got tired of
being told they can't say things, or you know, or
everything being tainted as some sort of negative when when
it was not.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So, we had an anonymous TV exec before the election
say that if Trump were to win the that would
mean the mainstream media is dead. What is the state
of the mainstream media today post presidential election.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's the weakest that it's ever been by far. I
don't know if I'll go dead, because I think there
are still a sub section of Americans who rely on
the ABC's and New York Times, NBC's and CBS is.
But Lisa, they don't have the influence that they once had.
I was discussing this with someone last week. Five years ago.
(06:34):
I don't know if Pete Hegseeth could have survived because
of how ferocious and vile the attacks were from the press.
But it didn't matter because the more they lied about him,
the more they reported on him inaccurately. I think the
more Republicans get rallied around him, and people on the
outside said, well, if Pete's an enemy of them, he
(06:57):
must be for us. For almost a decade, these journalists,
television pundits, fact checkers, and political analysts have lied and
deceived their supporters. I mean it started most famously with
the Russia hoax, and I think it ended with that
(07:19):
Liz Cheney hoax. Were a few days before the election,
it was plastered all across the Internet and television that
Trump vowed to execute Liz Cheney. He never said that.
But you look at the duration between eight years from
the Russia hoax to that lie, and there was so
many in between. The bloodbath hoax, lying about COVID, misquoting
(07:43):
Donald Trump. Some of the George Floyd lies. When you
lie over and over again, people are eventually going to
catch on. Now. It took a lot longer than any
of us have hoped for because I think you and
I know the mainstream media hasn't been honest in a
very long time. But something very interesting happened ahead of
the election where the most influential voices were independent podcast
(08:09):
Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn Busting with the Boys. These are
not shows connected to billion dollar conglomerates. These are just
people who operate their shows independently, and as far as
reaching people and changing their minds and opening up different conversations,
(08:30):
the media and the mainstream side doesn't do that anymore,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
But I mean, I guess one thing that we see.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A lot though, is, you know, people in the media
like Johnny Come Lately is right, like even Bill Maher
or like Stephen A. Smith or whatever, you know, like
they arrive at the right conclusion like five months too late,
and then people give them a pat on the back
and congratulate them for it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, Stephen A. Smith, such a great point, because that's
exactly what he's doing. He makes very weak points. Then
he's wrong then he admits he's wrong, and everybody pats
him on the back and says that he's been a
red pill. Not not really. I think Stephen A. Smith
is honestly just a grifter. I don't find him all
(09:15):
that intelligent or all that smart. Bill Maher is smart
and intelligent, but he doesn't have very good I don't
think his read on stories are good early on. I
think it takes him a very long time to realize
what is the right conclusion, particularly the COVID vaccine. I mean,
how many people demanded everybody get the JAB and then
(09:37):
a couple of years later they realize, yeah, maybe we're
too aggressive, maybe we should have asked more questions. But
so much of the media now is based on I
think perception and people wanting to fit in feel like
they're important, and that's why they all rally behind the
exact same talking points over over again. And someone like
(10:01):
Joe Rogan is such an interesting case study because I
don't think he's the most thought provoking voice. He's not
the most interesting, But what he is is curious. He
will listen to people with different viewpoints, he will ask questions,
he will sit there and wonder if you're making a
(10:24):
point he didn't understand. And if you look at who's
having success and who's not, Americans want curiosity. They don't
want to be browbeaten by some ivy league educated person
with fancy hair and black suits telling them how to
live their lives. They want to hear the questions that
they would ask.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, it's good to hear because I went to the
University of Tennessee. We've got more of Bobby in just
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We're seeing CNN and MSNBC kind of in a free fall.
You know, MSNBC is going to be spun off. You
look at CNN after the election, they saw forty five
percent drop in their primetime viewership. You know they last
year they had the worst performance among viewers and the
key demographic.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
The revenue is.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Following as well. What does it mean for MSNBC and
CNN are either salvagable or you know, what's the future
for those networks?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I think is one of the fascinating questions of media
over the next four years. These are two networks that
as of right now really are on unsustainable trajectories because
now are they losing revenue. I think CNN has lost
some four hundred million dollars in the past two to
three years. The salary costs remain very high, and when
(12:41):
they no longer making as much money, well you're on
a path to lose money. We saw this happen with
Late Night. James Cordon left CBS, but he didn't really leave.
CBS pushed him out because his show was losing on
average twenty million dollars a year. You give a TV
anchor a lot of money, they no longer draw advertising revenue.
(13:03):
Then you become a show in the red. And that's
the risk that CNN and MSNBC are on right now,
is that they cannot continue to pay Rachel Maddow twenty
five million dollars a year Anderson Cooper twenty million dollars
a year when these shows are barely averaging a million
viewers and CNN's case, I think their top rated show
(13:25):
is averaging fewer than seven hundred thousand viewers. It becomes
a point of discussion, what do these networks provide viewers.
They're not independent, they don't say anything differently than you
get in the broadcast news. I guess they're a bit
more animated. I mean, if you like what Joey Reid
(13:45):
has to say and that sort of nastiness. But in general,
they're not selling their viewers, not anything they want. And
they've lost trust too. There was just a study that
came out that these legacy news networks have the least
amount of trust among the American people, meaning the American
(14:07):
people trust Congress more than they trust CNN. And MSNBC,
and that's just a devastating study. I mean, my prediction
is is that Warner brother Discovery, the parent company of CNN,
will look to sell the cable network in the next
four years. As far as MSNBC, Comcast is spinning them off,
(14:28):
we'll see if that's approved. But if that happens, I
think you'll see the network become pretty low rent as
they no longer have NBC News to back them financially
or editorially. And what about CNN, Yeah, I think their
parent company, WBD will look to sell them at some
point because what's really interesting is that company is struggling
(14:53):
so mightily because they're reliant on cable channels, which Wall
Street considers quote unquote dead weight. So the only growth
potential WBD has is with the streaming service Max. So
CNN actually holds them back, which is what Comcasts calculated
as well. The reason that they are spinning off USA
(15:17):
network MSNBC is because they need to separate them from Peacock,
which is their only growth prospect.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Why do you think CNN Plus did so terribly.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well? I think we nobody wants to watch your channel
for free and you start charging people for it. It's
always a bad idea. I think that's point number one.
But I mean it really comes down to Lisa. CNN
doesn't employ personalities that people want to hear from, right,
I mean, what was CNN plus Brian Stelter, Jamel Hill,
(15:52):
Rex Chapman, Jake Tapper's book club, someone named Casey Haunt
who I didn't even know at the time. When you're
telling people, hey, pay us seven dollars a month to
hear from these people, They're like, well, well do we
care about any of them? Right? If you're gonna charge
somebody a monthly fee, you better employ some really important
(16:15):
people like Look, Glenn Greenwald can sell subscriptions, Bill O'Reilly
Tucker Carlson, they can sell subscriptions. Anderson Cooper, Brian Stelter,
Oliver Darcy who's no longer there. They're not the ones.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
What do you make of the coverage so far in
President Trump's first term? Do you see has the media
learned any lessons from you know, the years before, or
you know, kind of what do you make of how
he's being covered so far?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I don't think they've learned anything. In fact, they seem
desperate to establish a new Russia. Hoaps. Remember the first
time he got in everything was about Russia. They wanted
to dis credit his his administration by saying he colluded
with Vladimir Putin. They've tried to find a new storyline
(17:10):
this time around. Remember it started off with he's forming
an oligarchy with Elon Musk and the tech bros. That
didn't really stick. Now they're back to this idea that
he's a fascist in a Nazi So they're looking for
this consensus storyline. But again, the people aren't buying it
because the people don't trust the networks in outlets covering Trump,
(17:34):
and I think the coverage is bad too. You read
the tone the analysis, it's just so inaccurate. I mean
you saw these analysts and experts talk about how dangerous
it was to depoor dangerous illegal migrants that have committed
(17:54):
rape and the part of gangs. It's like, really that
that's the storyline you're going with. You now have people
complaining that Trump isn't supporting u Zelensky enough. Again, really, Zelensky,
someone who seems like a power hungry dictator who has
been using our money, shouldn't be we should not be
(18:14):
funding it. So I think they are desperate to find
a way to be little Trump and turn the country
against Trump. But it's not working. You see the approval
ratings some of the charts. Trump is more popular as
a politician today than he ever has been before.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's true, which is good to see.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
What do you think Elon's because you know, Elon has
become like the number one target now, I mean, probably
even more so than Trump.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
When't you think?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I do? Yeah, And I think it's the idea is
to again take credit away from Trump by portraying it
as he is now being outsmarted by this oligarch. But
I mean, Elon Musk it looks like target number one
right now. I think he's doing a lot of really
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good things with DOJE. I think the question that I've
always wanted to ask people in power, if you were
to give me a microphone and say, hey, ask every
influential person in DC one question. It would be why
does our country not act in its best interest? And
you're starting to see why because I mean, we're giving
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money to so many countries that we shouldn't be. We're
wasting taxpayer money really at a disgusting rate. And who
knows the exact reason why maybe it's idiocy, maybe it's blackmail,
but this money should not be going where it's going,
and I love to see Elon draining things like us AID.
He says he's going to focus on the Department of
(19:51):
Education and Military next, which I think we're going to
discover is just as weaponized financially as USAID. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean, I think what we're going to find out
at the end of these four years is that the
government's basically just like a giant money laundering scheme.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Absolutely, it's LLC more than anything I always talk which
kind of government is the US? It is a money
laundering scheme, as you said, And what's so frustrating is
it's a shock to us, but not really. We didn't
know exactly where the money was going, but we knew
it was being wasted. But there are probably a lot
of powerful people who knew exactly where this money was going,
(20:33):
but they just shut up and went along to get along.
Into me that is completely disqualifying.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
You know, what do you think Elon's intentions? What are
his motivations do you think and wanting to be so
involved in government.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, it's an interesting question. I get the sense that
Elon like a lot of us just hates how our
government operates, how it dismisses people, and I think he
actually does wanted to make it a better place. There
was all the speculation why did he buy Twitter. I
think honestly he bought Twitter to do what he has done,
(21:09):
which is restore free speech on the Internet. And President
Trump told Brett Bahar on Sunday, I mean, I can't
even believe Elon's doing this. He's so busy, he doesn't
need to do it. He has all the money in
the world. He's not gaining anything by going through these
documents and running does. I think Elon wants America to
(21:29):
be not to use the cliche, but as great as
it can be. I have full trust in Elon honestly.
I mean I'm not someone who looks up to celebrities
or elites or billionaires, but I've been very impressed by him.
I think if anyone is to do this, he's the
right guy to do it. And I trust him exponentially
(21:50):
more than I would some DC swamp creature who's been
there his whole life and has probably compromise in every
wish direction.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You know, I've been thinking about this for a while lately.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It's it's kind of funny that after all the criticism
that President Trump has received and all the labels that
you know, have been assigned to him, you know, dictator,
you know, all these different things, right, threats to democracy,
that he could end up being the one to restore
or faith in government.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Via you know, doge and.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Sort of all this discovery about how our government operates.
But also just like the releasing of documents and transparency.
Do you do you think people will have a renewed
faith in government at the end of President Trump's turn term.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's such a good question because there's two parts to this.
More than anything, he is going to instill in them
why they can never ever trust establishment government again. He
is going to reveal what they've been hiding, and I
(22:57):
think that is going to in return and restore faith
in him. But I think it's going to be devastating
for traditional politicians going forward. I think in twenty twenty
eight it's going to be very hard for some of
the Democrats who wanted all this stuff hidden and continue
to be buried, to ask Americans to put their faith
(23:18):
in them going forward. But you're absolutely right, the way
Trump is portrayed is so backwards to what he actually is.
Threat democracy in a lot of ways. He wants to
show the people who make up democracy, which is us,
the voters, exactly how this country runs. And it's a
great observation by you. I said it on an inauguration day.
(23:41):
I think Donald Trump will leave the White House in
four years and a lot of people who are skeptical
of him are going to come around and say, you
know what, he did a really good job. He was
exactly what we need. And I think that could have
a trickle down effect for decades to about who we
should and should not trust with power.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, I think too, like he's probably going to go
down as one of the most transformational characters and and
you know individuals and American history in the sense of
like he's completely transformed the Republican Party, He's completely transformed government.
He has completely transformed the media, right, you know, look
at how much the media has changed since he walked
(24:26):
down the Golden Escalator.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So, I mean, do you.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Think he'll go down as one of the most transformational
individuals we've we've had in American history?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Oh? Absolutely, I would say world history. I think he
has changed the course of global affairs as well. I
mean I was thinking about this. He and this is
not me cheerleading for Donald Trump. I think everybody knows
I'm not someone who wants to bow down and worship anyone,
but he's certainly the most fascinating person of my lifetime
(25:00):
and probably anyone who's alive right now. Just his impact
and you went down the list. I mean, look at culturally,
he has completely changed culture the way we interact. He's
shown people how to fight, not to be submissive to
these thought police and these dei surge police officers that
(25:25):
just always want to call everything racist and sexist and transphobic.
I think Donald Trump's legacy will be hard to grasp
and right away. I think when you look back, you're
going to say there was an America pre Trump in
post Trump, and those two things are going to look
very differently.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It'll be it'll be interesting at the end of four
years from now, you know just how much of the
world has changed. I mean, even just in the conversation
we're talking about, just like even how the media is changing.
And you know MSNBC look like, what will CNN look like?
You know, what will the country look like? Well, more
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you find it interesting that when asked by Brett Behar
about if JD. Vance was going to be his successor
you know, he kind of didn't really want to answer
that question.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, I did. I was very surprised. I thought he
would say something along the line. JD's doing a great job,
and by the way, I think he is. One of
my favorite decisions Trump has made so far, is selecting JD. Vance.
But yeah, I was surprised that he I think he
actually used the word no, it's too early. There's a
lot of capable people in the field. I expected him
(27:54):
to be much more, say aggressive in trying to uh
answer that question in favor of JD. Advance. But I
don't want to read too much into it, because we
know sometimes presidents are reluctant to support a candidate told
the very very end for a multitude of reasons. But
I mean looking ahead to twenty twenty eight, and I
don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves, because
(28:16):
I think things are pretty positive right now, or at
least heading in the right direction. I think JD. Advance should,
assuming things continue to go well, walk into the twenty
twenty eight primary as the favorite. Now you talk to
people who've covered administrations and they say, there is not
a single president and vice president who doesn't end up
(28:37):
hating each other after two years of working together. Maybe
that's true, maybe it's not. But I think JD. Advance
is in a pretty good position. I think he so smart,
so eloquent, and really is the natural successor to inherit
this America First movement.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think as long as he can.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Obviously, you stay in the president's good grace us.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Over the day, because you know, it's a tough position.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
To you to try to find your way and to
try to layer your marker down. Obviously it did not
work for Kamala Harris, but you know Biden was able
to use it to his advantage previously. So you know,
it'll be interesting to see kind of who takes on
that mantle, and also if President Trump wants to endorse her,
(29:23):
if he just kind of wants to stay out of
a crowded primary as well, because obviously his endorsement would
probably probably seal the deal.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, it is very difficult. Like I think one of
the examples that you would look back to was Al Gore.
A lot of people thought he would be the natural successor,
and he did get the nominee, but you know, he
didn't have nearly the upper hand in the general election
as people thought. So we'll see. You know, Advance can
do that, but right he I think staying in the
good grace of Trump is crucial. Mike Pence didn't do that.
(29:53):
I think JD. Vance is far more impressive than Mike Pence,
particularly when it comes to someone who believes what Donald
Trump believes. I don't think Mike Pence was ever that
type of Republican.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You've read a lot about sort of the media's fixation
on race and how they drive divisions through it. Do
you think that, you know, since we've seen with President
Trump and his administration, you know, order just with the
executive orders and sort of the desire to do away
with DEI will that have a downstream effect in terms
(30:25):
of the rest of the country and the media's coverage
as well on some of these issues that you've written
so much about.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I'm so hopeful because I just think it's so nightmarish
how people in power, and I keep using that word
because everything does come back to the people in charge
have used race to divide us. To to scare us
and really to conquer more power. For so long, the
race card has been this conversation stopper. When somebody threatens
(30:58):
to call you racist, everybody just shuts up and gets
in line. And we are seeing some downstream effect. Google
is doing away with a lot of their DEI initiatives.
I believe they've taken down some social justice initiatives on
their website. I mean the NFL which did this completely independent.
(31:21):
They took away the phrase and racism in the end zone.
But at the same time, you're seeing a lot of
growing resistance to making everything about race. I think for
a while here the media and Democrats are going to
try to use race as proof, Hey, you shouldn't have
voted for Donald Trump. Look at he's exactly what we
(31:41):
warn he's against black people, which is a total lie
when you consider what he actually has done for black people.
But it comes down to again, the average American doesn't
buy into any of this stuff. What was so telling.
The Democratic polling firm Blueprint posted results a week after
(32:02):
the election why swing state voters rejected Kamala Harris. Number
one was the economy, obviously, Number two, the border okay,
Number three was that she focused too much on culture
war issues such as race, DEI, transgenderism. And while that
(32:24):
is on the political scale, I think the media and
these independent businesses are going to come to realize if
we keep pushing this race narrative, our customers are going
to rebel. You're going to see something very similar to
bud Light where people are not going to want to
support you. So I think eventually we will get past
(32:45):
this phrase and this stage. But I think for the
next six months, you're going to see the legacy media
and the main opposition of Donald Trump tried to use
race to gain back some of their momentum.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Did you see with the commercials for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
What did that tell you?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
What do those commercials tell you about where our culture stands?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Now? Yeah, it was interesting. You didn't see as much
social messaging. It was much more focused on the brand product,
which is the positive, right, And no one wants to
watch the Super Bowl and be preached to by advertising firms.
So I'm all in on this culture shift. I think
(33:30):
it's true, and I'm optimistic about it in general. Obviously
I'm a bit pestimistic just what could happen, But yeah,
I think the commercials did show that some of these
businesses have realized people don't come to us for our politics.
They don't come to us for social issues. They come
(33:50):
to us because they want to buy what we're selling.
And by and large, I would say ninety percent of
the commercials focused on just that, whether it was Pepsi
or a car company or a fast food joint.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
If I missed anything in this conversation that we should
talk about.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Let's see. Well, all right, So Lisa Booth, as was
proven on Fox about a year ago, is secretly a
sports expert. She he knew more about Dion Sanders than anyone.
He called the Eagles game over before the masses. So, uh,
(34:30):
I have asked you, Lisa as sort of a secret
sports fan. Uh. Is Patrick Mahomes no longer in the
Goat conversation? You can't ask your dad because you know
he's probably busy right now. But I'm gonna put you
on the spot.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, in fairness, I did, and I stated this when
I was on the Big Show. I did phone a
friend and that phone that friend was my dad for
the Banners conversation. You know.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
How old is he? Again? I forget?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Oh, I did remember I sent you that meme. There's
this really funny meme and it was like it's like,
you know, me at thirty five, I still have the
rest of the life ahead of me.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And then it's like, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
NFL football players thirty two, Uh can't like a miracle.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
He's still playing, Like so you know, I don't know.
I guess he's getting out there a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So yeah, maybe, but he does seem like a good guy,
you know, so I want, right, doesn't he seem like
a good guy?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
He doesn't like, he's not like a Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Also, I tweeted out like a rage tweet about Travis
Kelsey and it's gone like almost ninety thousand, like so
clearly I'm not alone in my disdain for him. But
Patrick Mahomes seems like a decent guy. You know, his
wife's a little over the top, but you know, she
seems like her heart's in the good, the right place,
and you know, she's been pretty bold with her beliefs
in a way other people are scared too, so like, yeah,
(35:59):
and they seem to love each other like their high
school sweethearts. That's really kind of you know, I like that.
That's very sweet. Yeah, they seem to love each other.
You know, he believes in God, so yeah, I mean,
I don't know, I wish the best room. He seems
like a good dude, unlike Travis Kelcey, Like.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
And I know you put on your sports cap now
I'm gonna ask you to put on your music caf.
I've been getting crushed all week because that was pretty
critical of Kenjul Kamar. It's the criticism aimed towards me.
Fair follow I know you do like hip hop to
some degree. What were your thoughts in the halftime show?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I thought it sucked because halftime shows are supposed to
be fun, Like you're supposed to dance, you.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Want to have a good time with it.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
It's supposed like and even if you saw the audience's reaction,
like I saw some clips online and like people weren't dancing,
they weren't having fun, Like everyone was just kind of
like what's happening, right? And so like, and I like
a couple of his songs, but they're just not fun.
And so I think that And I like rap, So
it's not because oh I don't like rap or you know,
(37:04):
because like I'm you know, don't understand it or whatever.
I just it was boring and you could barely understood.
You could barely understand a word that he was saying.
And like, I think someone like a little Wayne would
have been a lot better if you wanted a rapper,
you know, that's kind of what you were looking for,
if that's the genre that you wanted to entertain, because
his music's fun and more people would know the words
(37:25):
to it, and you know, and he's a fun guy too,
and so I think that the audience just would have
had a better reaction. I think they would have been
dancing and it would have just lightened the mood. And so, like,
I was not a fan, and I think that I
don't understand why anyone would defend the halftime show and
tell us that like it was garbage.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, I'm still with you in I think a larger
point to this. Kenda Lamar was the first Super Bowl
performer who was post monoculture. Everything in American culture has
become pretty niche now, So I would have reckoned that
a lot of viewers didn't know any of his song.
(38:07):
The only one I knew was the one that was
directed at Drake. So I'm thinking, well, if I didn't
know the songs. People that are older than me probably
didn't know any of them. And you're right, it was
hard to understand what he was saying. I don't know
if the music in the background was too loud or
what the problem was, but I couldn't understand his lyrics
(38:29):
and that made it very difficult.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And even the not like Us song that is so
popular about Drake that like, isn't even a fun song, right, So,
like that doesn't make you want to get up and dance, So.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Like, I just like, I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I feel like that was a bad decision to pick
him personally, and it was just sort of a buzzkill
for a game that was already kind of just lagging
and lacking in terms of entertainment. So zero stars is
my rate and sums down is what I would say,
is my my Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Lamar review grader, Yeah, yeah, you know, he sucked. Also,
I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
You know, I'm surprised that Drake hasn't sued him, So
perhaps maybe the things he has there's more truth than
some of the things he is saying. I don't know,
you would think that if someone accuses you of such
terrible things and song that would be defamatory.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
But yeah, maybe there's I digress. There's different rules for
like the hip hop beef right. Remember Biggie Tupac, Like
that got pretty messy too, And I'm not talking about
the shootings, right, I know that was like really.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Lyrics but as messy as it gets.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
But like Free the Two Murders, that thing got pretty
messy with the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I guess, like you look like a coward. Then if
you're like right, so, like you'd probably like lose like credit,
but you'd probably look like a whoos if you threaten
to sue someone because they said mean things to you, right,
So like, I guess you you can't like you, you know,
losing credibility would be worse than being called these terrible things.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Maybe, I don't know, Especially when you're in the midst
of the beef right. It's like, uh, when you're in
high school and two guys are competing for the same
girl and then you know, the one of them says
something pretty grotesque about the other. You don't want to
be the guy who runs the principal and says, hey,
you know, Derek, call me this. You want to stay
cool and unfazed. So I get it.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
But Kendrick Lamar is a very small man in stature.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
He's also just like very thin, and so I was
surprised after saying that that he starts so much beef
because you would think that, you know, if he were
to get in a fight, that would not end well
for him. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
That was another thought process of mine, So it.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Would have been you would have I did tweet a
lot because I watched the game by myself, and so
I was just like, you know, tweeting my random stream
of thoughts throughout the game.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
So just to recat, I just want to make sure
we got it all. You struggled the pick between the
Chiefs or Eagles because you're a redskin fan, but well.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I used to be.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
I don't know if I can call myself a Redskins
fan still because they ditched the name and then when
they did so, they kind of lost my But I
briefly I thought about jumping on the bandwagon again when
they were you know, when they're in the championship.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
But I did grow up a Redskins fan. My dad's
like die hard, and so yeah, so you do.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
You respect both Jalen Hurst and Patrick Mahomes No argument there,
And you think short guys should maybe stay away from
the beef.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Well, you know, I just think that.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You know, if you're gonna, you know, talk a lot
of crap like that, you might get punched, right, And
so that's you know, sometimes what can happen in those scenarios.
So you would just think that he would have a
little bit more to kind of to back up the mouth, but.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
He doesn't. So you know, we'll see how that works
out for him.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
I don't know, it's not up to me, but so okay,
and then last question, and then well what do you
think do you think that Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's
relationship is real? And will they stay together now that
he's a little bit of a loser.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, And that's the thing, right, like you know, when
you're two times and.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Also she got booed, will he stay with her after? Yeah,
she's no longer beloved.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, it's a lot easier to have the girl when
you're a two times super Bowl champion, not when you
lose and get demolished and have a very very bad game.
It's interesting because we don't know that Travis Kelsey's ever
going to play football again. There were several reports on
Sunday that they might retire. So will she want to
still date post football Kelsey versus Kelsey the superstar and
(43:06):
I'm more serious. No, you know, they seem genuine, like
you see them just out in public with pictures and videos.
But I've come to learn, Lisa, all these celebrity relationships
are usually a bit for show. So would I'd be
surprised we just woke up one day and found out
they were no longer together, not at all, especially given
(43:30):
both of their track records. Just the way it goes.
So but I do think when I see them, it
does seem more genuine than some of these athlete pop
star relationships that seem like they're just good for branding
and for show. But I wouldn't go as far as saying,
this is Patrick and Brittany Mahomes, where you know they've
(43:51):
known each other forever and we know there is no
sort of pr incentive for them to stay together.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, I know, they seem very much And to be clear, obviously,
if you actually loved someone, you would stay together with
them even if they do become a loser in football,
but I don't know if they're really in love, so
we'll find out, all right, Bobby, it's great to talk
to you. My friends appreciate you coming on, and you're
just a good friend and a good guy.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
And everyone go where can people check out your work?
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeahoutkick dot com. Pretty much all of us there in
some way form or another. But I appreciate you having me,
and congratulations for you and all your success. I know
this podcast is killing it. As always say, I'm still
so proud of you for staying true to who you are.
At the early stage of COVID, you were one of
(44:41):
the only people willing to go public with your skepticism
of the vaccine. That seems simple now because everybody does it,
but at a time nobody else would. You were one
of the very first people and you gained a lot
of my respect for that always and yeah, I just
want to let everybody know, Oh, I'm how genuine you are.
(45:02):
You're the exact same Lisa off air that you are
on air, and that's a rare thing to say.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
That was Bobby Buruk.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
We appreciate him for making the time. Appreciate you guys
at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. Now I
want to think John Cassio and my producer for putting
the show together.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Until next time.
Host
Lisa Boothe
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