September 4, 2023 • 31 mins
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Clay Travis, founder of Outkick and a Fox News contributor. They discuss their love for college football and reminisce about past games. They also talk about the politicization of sports and the controversy surrounding men playing in women's sports. Clay challenges Keith Olbermann to a debate on this topic. They touch on age limits for politicians and criticize Joe Biden's performance as president. Clay discusses his new book, "The American Playbook," emphasizing the need for authenticity in politics. They also share differing views on abortion and discuss the importance of taking a stand on issues. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the iHeartRadio Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So we're gonna have a little fun today. I'm not
sure if you guys know, but I went to the
University of Tennessee. So I'm going to talk to one
of my buddies, Clay Travis.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You know him.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
He's the founder of OutKick. He's a Fox News contributor,
a co host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
radio show. He's out with a new book too, called
American Playbook, which we're going to get into.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But he's a huge Tennessee fan.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So we're going to talk a little sports today, talk
about college football coming up. You know, will sports ever
get less woke?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Right?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I mean, I think we're all tired of, you know,
tuning in to NFL games or whatever it is and
getting politics, you know, shoved down our throats, right? Or
are we ever going to be able to engage as
a country again in these sort of activities?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
He's also recently challenged Keith Oberman to a debate about
men playing in women's sports. We'll get into that as well,
also get into a little bit of politics. What does
he think about the direction of the country. He's called
for maximum age limits, So we're gonna get into a
whole bunch of things with my friend Clay Travis. Clay Travis,
(01:01):
nice to have you on again. I know you've been
on the roads. You've got to be pretty exhausted right now.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I am excited to be home for Labor Day weekend.
I been on the road for like the last month.
I think I saw you as part of that in
New York City. I know that you've been traveling a
lot as well. We were in the Fox News studios.
I think on a rainy night you were getting your
hair done spectacularly well, and I was trying to look
not totally just like like draggled, because I've been I
(01:29):
got caught in the rain, so if you remember, I
was soaked. They were using the hair dryer to try
to dry my jacket. So that is the behind the
scenes of television Joy, The Joy, Yeah, The Joy.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I always like, I've not gotten married yet, but I
always joke around that TV is like, you know, all
my friend's weddings where there's all this chaos going behind
the scenes, but all anyone remembers is this beautiful wedding
or this great show.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know, it's like all this stuff going on, you.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Know, So you're also going to be going to the
University of Tennessee game this week, and so we are
both Tennessee fans. How stoked are you about college football
starting up again? And then also, how are we looking
this season?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I love college football more than anything that is not
blood related to me. Probably is the way to to
describe how much I love college football.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So I am ecstatic that it is back.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I will be watching Tennessee and Virginia a game here
in my hometown of Nashville. I started going to games
when I was five years old. You are in a
lum of Tennessee. I was going to Tennessee games for
like ten or twelve years before you were born.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And I think Tennessee's gonna be really really good.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You know, nine or ten win season is my expectations
coming off in eleven win season.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What year did you graduate?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well, O, seven, but I did like a victory lap,
like an extra half.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
So seven the last year that you would have been
there was the last time that Tennessee went to the
SEC championship game. They played LSU, and I remember correctly, I.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Went to seven.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I had great seats.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, I went to Yeah, I was there at that
game as well. And so that was kind of from there,
things kind of have gone downhill.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So I think we're returning.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
To the years of glory, like when you were at
University of Tennessee. So so that is that is how
things are going. I think things are going much better
there and it's gonna be a fun season. I love
college I mean I will legitimately put on the television
at eleven am Central Time my hometown of Nashville when
(03:29):
the first games kick off, and I will watch till
one or two am.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Every Saturday. I watch college football all day long.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So I actually almost got beat up at that game
because I was like running my mouth and LSU fans
are like crazy, and so she actually almost tried to
beat me up.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was like, okay, just kidding, I take it all back.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Did you see that? That would have been a heck
of a catch things.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I don't know. That wasn't wasn't willing to go this far.
It was just, you know, she was talking crap. So
I did too.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And you know, did you see the Morgan Wallen girlfight
video that has gone viral that's all over the internet
right now.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
No, I didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh well, first of all, there buy the porta potties,
so all great fights legitimately spill into the porta potty,
which is a disgusting play to end up anyway, girl,
there's like four or five different girls. I'm not sure
which city the Morgan Wall and Fight concert happened, but
it was inside of the porta potty. And I must
have watched this thing like five different times, Like I
just could not get enough of the of the chaos.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So luckily that's not you.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And it would have been way hard to get video
of the fights back in O seven because everybody didn't
have super useful iPhones that had you know, perfect cameras
and video taking capabilities on them back in the day.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, I didn't want to get no fight.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I just was you know, when you're younger, you think
you can like you know what I mean, It's like
you're you don't really think things through.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Also, it's an SEC football game, so I would imagine
there was a lot of alcohol in all.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You know, there might have been there might have been clay,
you know. And then so do you think we're going
to be good this season? Good enough to buy SEC
tickets halfway through and then not be able to offload them.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Oh, I forgot what you did last year.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, For people who don't know, Lisa went and bought
SEC Championship tickets, good ones for the game. Thinking when
Tennessee right after the Alabama game, right, is that what
you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, I got it's so excited and I just pulled
the trigger like an idiot.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Tennessee was eight to zero going down to Georgia, I
think if I remember correctly, and Lisa was bragging about
how good a seat she had for the SEC Championship game,
and then the reels came off because it ended up
Georgia against the LSU, and the demand was nowhere near
what it would have been, for instance, if Tennessee had
been there for the first time in fifteen or sixteen years.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Both those teams have been a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Georgia fans obviously spoiled right now and so but the
end result is that you and I were able to
give it to Was it an LSU fan?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think yes, But you were kind enough to buy
them for me and then give them away to a
veteran and he took his son, which actually ended up
being a really beautiful thing because they had the best
time and they were sending us photos throughout the game,
and it was really cool to just see them enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You're gonna kill my reputation by sharing too many positive
stories there, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It was cool and they really appreciated it, and that
was so nice of you.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So I probably won't make that mistake again. But well,
I guess it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know it, I didn't end up being a mistake
because it actually ended up being something really beautiful. But
as we get into sports season, or football season rather,
because I guess it's kind of always sports season, there's
always something going on.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
But will sports ever get less woke?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I think it's starting to already, honestly, And I spent
a lot of time about this, and this is why
people say, like, how did you end up?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You know, I love sports? I just told you guys.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean, I'll spend thirteen fourteen hours watching college football
on Saturday, and I love you know, all sports pretty much.
But I saw it happen, you know, went from sports
bringing everybody together, like I've always said, whether you know,
if you think about, for instance, a hospital and you're
in the break room or the cafeteria in a hospital.
(06:54):
There's not a lot of things that a neurosurgeon and
a janitor could sit at the same table and be
considered completely on even ground with each other. Right, the
neurosurgeon's been in school forever, makes far more money. They
have a lot of things that are different between them.
But a neurosurgeon and a janitor could have a completely
even and fair discussion about a football team or a game,
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and they would each look at each other as being
equally worthy of having an opinion on that issue, and
it would bring them together, even though they're in different
tax brackets, and even though their educational levels might be
entirely different, and even though their life experiences might be
entirely different. Sports brings people together, and it cuts across
identity politics lines. Because I always like to say, Lisa,
(07:40):
if you win a game and you're in the crowd,
notwithstanding your brawl with the LSU girl back in the day,
if you're on the same team, you will turn in
high five everybody around you, and it won't matter your tribe.
If your team is winning, you won't think about their politics,
you won't think about their race, their income. You're all
brought together in fandom and unity, and I think it's
(08:04):
important to have these common human experiences that bring us
together as opposed to always tearing us apart.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And so I have.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Seen sports basically be riven and torn asunder by identity politics,
and you could see it happen where all of a sudden,
instead of arguing whether someone was better or not, which
is a totally human sports argument, it's like, oh, this
guy's getting treated unfairly because of his race, or this
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guy is a hero because he's pretending to be a
chick and winning women's sports, and it's just politics by
another name. And I think it really Lisa went crazy
about twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen is where I suddenly
saw it go from hey, let's talk about who's going
to win a game to man, America's awful, look at
(08:58):
how unfairly we treat our athletes. And I think it's
slowly coming back to sanity, but it's been like seven
or eight years of madness, which.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Is hilarious because they're treated like king. So it's kind
of like, oh yeah, So speaking of the.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You know, men playing in women's sports, you have a
challenged Keith Olberman to a debate, which I actually think
would bring people together because I would have to imagine
there's more people who dislike him than like him, since
he's crazy. Have you has he responded, What do you
think the probability of this would be?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
How do you think you would approach the debate?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, so this is what's funny about it, Lisa to me,
when I grew up, I used to start my morning.
I would sit down in front of the television and
I would eat my cereal as I was getting ready
to go to like middle school or high school, and
I would watch ESPN Sports Center with Keith Olberman and
Dan Patrick as the two hosts. And if you had
(09:53):
told me when I was fourteen, thirteen, fifteen, whatever, Hey, Clay,
one day, Keith Olberman is going to know your name,
I would have been like, no, this is unbelievable, right.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I would have been like, this is the cool Like
I would have.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Been walking on air just thinking, I can't believe that
this guy that I watch every morning as I get
ready for school and is so fun and engaging and
makes sports even more fun than it otherwise would be,
He's gonna know my name. And unfortunately he knows my
name and he's gone crazy. And now I would say
I have amazingly a better career than he did and
(10:28):
does because I'm just not crazy. And what he argued
for people who don't know is Riley Gaines, who is
a former University of Kentucky swimmer that had to swim
against Leah Thomas aka Will Thomas, who is a man
who decided to identify as a woman and became a
women's champion.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
He's definitely a dude.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Definitely a dude.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
He has a penis still you know the funniest line
and you may have to edit this out, but I've
seen the memes where it's like, yeah, I just won
this women's championship and if you don't like it, you
can suck my dick. That to me is one of
the one of the funniest memes that I have seen.
You can leave it, you could take it out, but
it's he won a championship in the five hundred meter
and Riley Gaines was swimming against him in one of
(11:08):
the races and they tied. And she was otherwise going
to go to veteran there sorry to dental school. She's
a smart UK grad. Is one a bunch of SEC championships,
very talented women's swimmer, and this directly impacted her and
she spoke out about it and said this is not
right then, and I'm paraphrasing Keith Olberman. She's been talking
(11:28):
about it for the last year or so. Keith Olberman
came out and said, get over it.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You just suck.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
That's why you lost. And it's like, no, she beats
almost every woman. She lost to a six foot four
dude who decided that he was a woman. And this
is what everything that's wrong with what I think is
the political nature of sports. And I would have never
believed that we would be in a situation where people
would be arguing, yeah, if a guy wants to pretend
to be a girl, he should be able to be
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a women's champion. And that's where we are. And that's
what I challenged Keith Olberman on. I said, hey, let's
just debate this. You name the at any time, any place, anywhere,
I will show up. You make the argument that this
should happen. I'll make the argument against it, and let's
have that conversation. Let's have that debate.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think she actually tied him, but that's right.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah. I love when like South Park makes fun of
it because they just have this like beat like it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They'll like, do I think there, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I'm thinking of like one of the episodes and they're
i think doing an interview and someone's like, yeah, I
think we should just be accepting, and then they show
the guy and it's just this like beast of a
dude that's rid it out.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
It's the macho man Randy Savage that they use, Lisa.
It's the macho man Randy Savage who pretends and decides
for the old school wrestling fans out there that he
is now a woman, and they just ridicule the idea
that you could be a dude decided to be a
woman and become a women's champion, and that is what
now is occurring, which is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Well, the only thing I know about wrestling is when
my older brother would watch it and then try to
practice the moves on me, like jump off the couch
and try to like closeline me and all the different things.
So yeah, so that that's my familiar.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Well you survived at there's a lot of sisters that
have gone through that. I've got three boys and they
do the wrestling moves on each other. I like, I
told my wife because like recently they were all the
boys wanted.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
To do was just go get snacked and watch sporting events,
and like are upstairs was just a total disaster.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And my wife is like, this is I was like,
this is what living in a frat house is like,
Like you've grown up. You now have three boys and
you obviously are married to me, and they're becoming teenagers,
and they're filthy, and they're dirty, and they fight with
each other and they watch sports and uh and they
stink and this is the house that you live in now.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Her wife, she's just hopefully.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Basically I'm not kidding, she lives in a frat house
effectively with three boys in me.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Well, hopefully she can get some time to herself and uh,
you know, we're gonna take a quick commercial break. More
with Clay Travis. I saw you talking on Twitter about
the need for maximum age limit for presidents. That would
eliminate a lot of people. You said, after the age
of sixty five, who would be left in Congress or
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running for president.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
So my analogy on this is, what would you think
you travel a lot if you walked onto an airplane
and someone who looked like Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Was the pilot, I would get off, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I would do the plane lady. I would be like,
this guy is not real. You know what I'm talking about?
The crazy plan lady.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I think a ton of people would and that plane
lady would be totally with the rights because they won't
allow you to fly a major commercial airliner if you
are over the age of sixty five, because they don't
think you have the mental and physical faculties to be
able to be responsible for that many people's lives, as
every airline pilot is every time they take off, end
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until they land. Joe Biden, we have a thirty five
year You have to be at least thirty five, as
most people know, to be president of the United States.
I wish that we had an upper age limit as
opposed to a lower age limit, because I'd be far
more comfortable with a thirty year old president, even though
that might be a little bit scary to some people
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because thirty year olds and twenty five year olds can
make bad decisions. I trust their mental faculty, Lisa, far
more than I do someone of Joe Biden's age or
someone of Mitch McConnell's age, or someone like certainly Dane Feinstein,
who's just a total mess.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
It's just sad that we're here.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
When you look at how bad Joe Biden is at
being I mean it's intentional, Like, you can't be that bad.
You can't do this much wrong without it being intentional.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Right, So my analogy on this would be a sports
analogy whatever, and so, like, imagine if you spent your
whole life trying to make it to the super Bowl
and then you finally made it to the super Bowl
and you were the starting quarterback and you were sixty
five years old, be a disaster on the field. However
good you might have been at your peak at thirty
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five or twenty five or whatever, age you were the
best at what you do, you would now be a disaster.
And I feel like Joe Biden is a good example
of that. I don't think he would have ever been
a great president, or even a very good one, or
even an okay one, but I think he would have
been infinitely better than he is now. And I feel
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like if he had done it at fifty five or
sixty as bad as he is now, just go back
and listen to him talk even when he started his
campaign or certainly when he was vice president. He doesn't
have the ability to communicate now like he did when
he started his term, but certainly not when he was
VP for Obama. And I just think it's profoundly sad
that we're in this place as a country where there's
(16:47):
not a like I OutKick.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
There's not a single.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Job that Joe Biden could do at OutKick, and we
have like, I don't know, sixty employees. If I owned
a gas station, Joe Biden couldn't do any job at
a gas station other than Walmart.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Greeter.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'm not sure that Joe Biden hardly could do any
job in America now, and he's got the most important
job in America.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
And I just find that profoundly sad. I really do.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But he might even get fired from being a Walmart reader,
because I'm pretty think you're right, But Clay, I'm pretty
sure that sniffing hair would be frowned upon.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And probably you know, hugging little girls for too long
would also be frowned upon, probably inside of Walmart. But yes, look,
he can't do if I told you, hey, I've got
a gas station, and you're like, okay, I love it,
I'll sell it to you, and you're like, okay, it's
a good deal. And then I was like, there's only
one catch. Joe Biden has to manage it for an
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entire year, and he can't get help from anyone else.
Like the gas station, I firmly believe would go bankrupt.
And I think that's basically what he's doing to the country.
And it's just it's such a disaster that we find
ourselves in this position.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Quick commercial break, stay with us.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But I also think sometimes the age is an excuse
in the sense of, you know, for instance, he had
said that he got recently said that he got strom
Thurmond to vote for the Civil Rights Act of I
think it was an eighteen sixty five. But he's just
a liar, Like I mean, he's been lying about being
the civilights rights icon, you know, dating back for forever.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
This isn't an age thing, Like he's just a bad human.
He doesn't have character. It's a character thing, not an
age thing. And my favorite lie that he's told, or
at least one of them, is when he said he
got arrested trying to visit Nelson Mandela in South Africa
back in the nineteen seventies, and it turns out that
he just got separated from his black colleagues at the airport.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That was the lie.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean when you go to Maui and you
see all of this awful devastation, and your attempt to
connect with people is to say, nineteen years ago, my
house kitchen got on fire and my nineteen sixty seven
corvette got threatened, so I can kind of understand the
dangers and ravages of a wildfire that killed over.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
One hundred people.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I mean, I think what happens is so many politicians
are not that good at their jobs, and they're desperate
to try to make a connection.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And Biden is a liar.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I think he lies all the time, and I think
he lies a way to try to make himself sound
more like the people that he's speaking to, even when
his life experience there's zero in common for them. And
I think that's sadly kind of the result of what
I would say, the Clinton era of empathy. You remember
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back in the day, like I feel your pain. Like
some presidents are good empathizers and do do a good
job of trying to think about what it might be
like for other people, I might point out that Clinton
didn't do that when he was getting his blowjob from
an intern. But you know, like that's another story, maybe
not the greatest, maybe a little bit of a failure
of empathy there, I might I might submit, or maybe not.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
He probably felt that pretty well too, But I would
say in general that that, to me, is what Biden's
trying to do.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
He's just really bad at it.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Let's get into your book first.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So you're out with a new book called the American Playbook,
A Guide of winning bath the Country from the Democrats,
which you've been out on the road, you know, going
to these book tours and that sort of thing. What
does that playbook look like? As we as we discuss
politics here, I.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Get it that people get uncomfortable, but I think you
have to just tell people what you exactly believe, and
if you do that, I think that they will.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Give you a large.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Space, so to speak, because I think there's a desperate
demand for authenticity and it's not being realized in America today.
So like I have all sorts of laws, every politician
has all sorts of laws, Every human has all sorts
of laws. I actually think people tend to like you
for your flaws more than they do for your talents.
And that sounds strange, but when you really break it down,
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it speaks to honestly acknowledging who you are and what
you are about on a day to day basis. And
so we mentioned earlier. To me, a perfect jumping off
point is what we talked about earlier, the idea of
women in men's sports are men and women's sports. Because
right now you probably don't have to remember this very much,
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but let's pretend you were back in your days of
the University of Tennessee. You were probably a pretty sorority girl,
so you probably didn't have to stand in line that
much to get into bars. But as a guy, guys
stand in line all the time to get into bars,
and a lot of times you eventually get up there.
And there's a big cover charge. And the analogy that
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I would make is the cover charge to be a
Democrat right now is you have to be willing to
admit to a lie, which is the idea that biology
is not real. Right there is a profound difference between
boys and girls. Right now, Democrats would argue that when
a baby is born that sometimes doctors get the sex
of the baby wrong. That doesn't happen. That's a lie.
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Men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women. That's why
sports are separated. It doesn't mean that women are inferior.
It just means that the reason why women compete against
women and men compete against men is the same reason
I coach twelve year old baseball because there is a
difference between a twelve year old baseball player and a
sixteen year old baseball player. There is a reason, Lisa,
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why one hundred and twenty pound boxer does not fight
against a two hundred and twenty pound boxer. It's not
because one boxer is better than the other one necessarily,
it's because the two hundred and twenty pound boxer would
kill the one hundred and twenty pound boxer. We try
to create evenness of competition within the larger rules. Democrats
right now, as a condition to be member of their party,
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require you to say things that are fundamentally untrue. And
so that is a jumping off point in the book
where I say, I think that Republicans are the party
now of the First Amendment. We are the party that
likes jokes. We are the party that is anti cancel culture.
We are the party of personal freedom and responsibility that
believes in bodily autonomy. And then I also, and I
(23:04):
don't know what your personal opinions are on abortion, but
I go head on with abortion, and I think you
have to be willing to just tell people exactly what
you believe, explain it, own it, and let them make
their own determinations.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Now, I have found myself probably as far right on
abortion as you can get these days, as I've gotten older.
I just think a life is a life, and so
I don't think you can discount that for any reason.
But that puts me how to step with, you know,
probably the bulk of America.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But I'm okay with that.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So and I appreciate that, and you can have that position.
My position would be, in the way that I break
it down in the book is the data reflects that
ten percent of people believe that you should be able
to have an abortion basically up to the ninth month
of pregnancy. I think that's crazy, okay. And the data
reflects that there are ten percent of people who believe
that life of the mother rape incests that there should
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be an abortion right that means eighty percent of the
America is between those two positions. Republicans have to answer
for the rape incests, life of the mother's side of
the party all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Media is on it all the time. I thought Nikki
Haley did a good.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Job of illustrating this, and this is certainly what I
write in the book. Democrats never get answered about asked
about why thirty eight or thirty ninth week abortions should
be permissible.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That to me, is the way the conversation has to shift.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
We can agree or disagree on where exactly the line
should be drawn. Every state can make its own determination
thanks to Roe VWA being overturned. But I think most
people have both pro life and pro choice impressions when
you give them particular fact patterns, and I don't think
our countries politicians address the vast majority of the American
population on that issue. I think it's a good example
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of just say exactly what you believe and also acknowledge
that there's a wide variety of opinions and people can
have their own position, but tell them what you believe.
I think again that desperate craving for authenticity. I don't
think the Republican position is the radical one because a
wide variety of Republican abortion opinions exist. The democrat one
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is the radical one that believes that nine month abortion
should be allowed.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, I also think that people trust you more if
you are willing to take a stand on as long
as it's authentic to your point, you're not just manufacturing it.
But if you're willing to take the hits for what
you believe, I think that even people who disagree with
you the position could be won over because they're like, Okay,
at least respect this person for being honest as opposed
to you know, telling you something in a primary and
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then shifting your position or you know or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
No, I think that's true.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And I also think, like one of the issues that
I have in general, I single issue voters. If you
are no matter in my opinion, what you care about,
If you only care about one issue, I think, frankly,
you're not spending enough time thinking about issues. Right, Like,
there are so many things I care about, and I
don't presume that every politician is going to have the
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same opinion on every single one of them with me,
but I think everybody should rank, you know, like these
are the four or five things that matter the most
to me, and I'm going to try to find the
politician that most accurately reflects my overall worldview and then
go support that person. But the idea of like, you know,
I always think about this. I'm sure you've seen it
the more radio you've done. The moment that I started
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doing radio, do you know what one of the first
things I got was an email, an email from the
listener saying, and I've been doing radio like fifteen, sixteen
years whatever it is now, I will never ever listen
to you again because you said X right. Doesn't matter
what the opinion is. Everybody who's ever done audio, especially
everybody who's done live radio, it's one of the first
things that happens to you in your career. And the
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first few times you get those emails like a little
bit sober, and you're like, wow, I mean, like, man,
that person's never going to come back. And then you
know what happens. That person writes you again, and then
they write you again, and then they write you again,
and every time they're like, I will never listen to
you again. You're like, wait a minute, you just told
me six months ago that you were never going to
listen to me again, and here you are listening again.
People love to be outraged and love to emotionally react,
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but upon reflection, most people realize that emotional reactions, while gratifying,
aren't actually the best way to govern your life. And
so what I find is the more time you spend
talking to people, the more rational they get. And sports
is a perfect example of that because as you well know,
you know, every time you pick the winner of Alabama
(27:24):
Auburn and it's not decided that somebody likes, they want
to murder you. So like people are like, oh, you
talk about politics now. It must be like somebody's like, no,
have you ever picked in the Alabama Auburn and the
Iron Bowl or Ohio State Michigan or Boston Red Sox
against the Yankees. Like it's just a tribe and the
tribe is angry if you're not on the tribe side.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But you can't really get that worked up about it.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Because ultimately I can't control what somebody else thinks about
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That's not my job.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, I had to learn the hard way at the
LSU game.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So yeah, you're lucky to be a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I really am OHSU fans are crazy, except for that
one guy that you gave the tickets to.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
He was amazing at a sign.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Do you remember the LSU fan who tea bagged the No,
So that was an Alabama fan who ta bagged the
LSU fan.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Do you remember that story? No, After Alabama beat LSU.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
In the National Championship Game. I want to say, this
is like twenty twelve. I'm sure you've been out on
Bourbon Street at some point, right.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yes, wait, no, I'm not really. Yeah, the Bourbon Street.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Is in New Orleans, like the main drag, and I've
never been.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I can't believe you went to an SEC school and
you haven't been out on Bourbon Street. So Bourbon Street
like wild crazy. It's all Alabama LSU fans. So Alabama
wins the National Championship Game, there is a monster. I
think it's still there. A monster Crystals. I bet you've
been to Crystal before if you went to.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Ut oh, absolutely one.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So I think that it's still there.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
It's like the world's biggest crystal and they're open like
twenty four hours and everybody gets drunk on hurricanes and
you know, like at four am you can go get
as many Crystal Burgers or Crystal Chick or whatever you want.
And this Alabama fan, this this LSU fan passes out,
and this Alabama fan decides, with massive crowds there, to
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put his balls on top of this guy's head while
he's passed out, and and it turns into a major
criminal investigation and everything else. And my point is, maybe
you got off easy given that you just almost got
a fight with an LSU girl.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I got very lucky because I didn't think that it
would escalate like that. I was just like, you know,
like whatever Tennessee is the but you know, like just
stupid stuff, and she like, you know, turned it up Tomcats. Yeah,
I was like just kidding, take it back, all right?
So where can people find? You're on the road with
the book? Where can people are you still on the road?
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Can people find you out on tour?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I'll probably be on the road quite a bit this
fall for games. But the book is up at Amazon
American Playbook. I think they'll enjoy it. Look, the goal
was to write a easy, engaging, fun read that you
know it's not. I don't think it's going to revolutionize
the field of political science or anything, but I do
think it'll be entertaining. I think it makes an argument
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for how to win a landslide victory and just the
power of logic triumphing over what is very often an
emotional environment for our country. I feel like everybody's kind
of like a fourteen or fifteen year old adolescent at
times right now, and while that can be fun, everybody
remembers that you typically, as an ager, make a lot
of stupid decisions, and I think that's kind of the
way our country is behaving right now.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think that's a good way to summarize it. Clay
Travis American Playbook, always going to talk to you, my friend.
I appreciate you making time.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
No doubt, have a good Labor day.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And Govalls, Yes, go falls.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
That was Clay Travis out with his new book, American Playbook.
Go check it out. Appreciate him making the time. Appreciate
you guys for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you
can listen throughout the week. I want to think John
Cassio for putting the show together Until next time.
So we're gonna have a little fun today. I'm not
sure if you guys know, but I went to the
University of Tennessee. So I'm going to talk to one
of my buddies, Clay Travis.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You know him.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
He's the founder of OutKick. He's a Fox News contributor,
a co host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
radio show. He's out with a new book too, called
American Playbook, which we're going to get into.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But he's a huge Tennessee fan.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So we're going to talk a little sports today, talk
about college football coming up. You know, will sports ever
get less woke?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Right?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I mean, I think we're all tired of, you know,
tuning in to NFL games or whatever it is and
getting politics, you know, shoved down our throats, right? Or
are we ever going to be able to engage as
a country again in these sort of activities?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
He's also recently challenged Keith Oberman to a debate about
men playing in women's sports. We'll get into that as well,
also get into a little bit of politics. What does
he think about the direction of the country. He's called
for maximum age limits, So we're gonna get into a
whole bunch of things with my friend Clay Travis. Clay Travis,
(01:01):
nice to have you on again. I know you've been
on the roads. You've got to be pretty exhausted right now.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I am excited to be home for Labor Day weekend.
I been on the road for like the last month.
I think I saw you as part of that in
New York City. I know that you've been traveling a
lot as well. We were in the Fox News studios.
I think on a rainy night you were getting your
hair done spectacularly well, and I was trying to look
not totally just like like draggled, because I've been I
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got caught in the rain, so if you remember, I
was soaked. They were using the hair dryer to try
to dry my jacket. So that is the behind the
scenes of television Joy, The Joy, Yeah, The Joy.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I always like, I've not gotten married yet, but I
always joke around that TV is like, you know, all
my friend's weddings where there's all this chaos going behind
the scenes, but all anyone remembers is this beautiful wedding
or this great show.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know, it's like all this stuff going on, you.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Know, So you're also going to be going to the
University of Tennessee game this week, and so we are
both Tennessee fans. How stoked are you about college football
starting up again? And then also, how are we looking
this season?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I love college football more than anything that is not
blood related to me. Probably is the way to to
describe how much I love college football.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So I am ecstatic that it is back.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I will be watching Tennessee and Virginia a game here
in my hometown of Nashville. I started going to games
when I was five years old. You are in a
lum of Tennessee. I was going to Tennessee games for
like ten or twelve years before you were born.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And I think Tennessee's gonna be really really good.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You know, nine or ten win season is my expectations
coming off in eleven win season.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What year did you graduate?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well, O, seven, but I did like a victory lap,
like an extra half.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
So seven the last year that you would have been
there was the last time that Tennessee went to the
SEC championship game. They played LSU, and I remember correctly, I.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Went to seven.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I had great seats.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, I went to Yeah, I was there at that
game as well. And so that was kind of from there,
things kind of have gone downhill.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So I think we're returning.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
To the years of glory, like when you were at
University of Tennessee. So so that is that is how
things are going. I think things are going much better
there and it's gonna be a fun season. I love
college I mean I will legitimately put on the television
at eleven am Central Time my hometown of Nashville when
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the first games kick off, and I will watch till
one or two am.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Every Saturday. I watch college football all day long.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So I actually almost got beat up at that game
because I was like running my mouth and LSU fans
are like crazy, and so she actually almost tried to
beat me up.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was like, okay, just kidding, I take it all back.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Did you see that? That would have been a heck
of a catch things.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I don't know. That wasn't wasn't willing to go this far.
It was just, you know, she was talking crap. So
I did too.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And you know, did you see the Morgan Wallen girlfight
video that has gone viral that's all over the internet
right now.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
No, I didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh well, first of all, there buy the porta potties,
so all great fights legitimately spill into the porta potty,
which is a disgusting play to end up anyway, girl,
there's like four or five different girls. I'm not sure
which city the Morgan Wall and Fight concert happened, but
it was inside of the porta potty. And I must
have watched this thing like five different times, Like I
just could not get enough of the of the chaos.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So luckily that's not you.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And it would have been way hard to get video
of the fights back in O seven because everybody didn't
have super useful iPhones that had you know, perfect cameras
and video taking capabilities on them back in the day.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, I didn't want to get no fight.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I just was you know, when you're younger, you think
you can like you know what I mean, It's like
you're you don't really think things through.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Also, it's an SEC football game, so I would imagine
there was a lot of alcohol in all.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You know, there might have been there might have been clay,
you know. And then so do you think we're going
to be good this season? Good enough to buy SEC
tickets halfway through and then not be able to offload them.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Oh, I forgot what you did last year.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, For people who don't know, Lisa went and bought
SEC Championship tickets, good ones for the game. Thinking when
Tennessee right after the Alabama game, right, is that what
you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, I got it's so excited and I just pulled
the trigger like an idiot.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Tennessee was eight to zero going down to Georgia, I
think if I remember correctly, and Lisa was bragging about
how good a seat she had for the SEC Championship game,
and then the reels came off because it ended up
Georgia against the LSU, and the demand was nowhere near
what it would have been, for instance, if Tennessee had
been there for the first time in fifteen or sixteen years.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Both those teams have been a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Georgia fans obviously spoiled right now and so but the
end result is that you and I were able to
give it to Was it an LSU fan?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think yes, But you were kind enough to buy
them for me and then give them away to a
veteran and he took his son, which actually ended up
being a really beautiful thing because they had the best
time and they were sending us photos throughout the game,
and it was really cool to just see them enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You're gonna kill my reputation by sharing too many positive
stories there, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It was cool and they really appreciated it, and that
was so nice of you.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So I probably won't make that mistake again. But well,
I guess it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know it, I didn't end up being a mistake
because it actually ended up being something really beautiful. But
as we get into sports season, or football season rather,
because I guess it's kind of always sports season, there's
always something going on.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
But will sports ever get less woke?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I think it's starting to already, honestly, And I spent
a lot of time about this, and this is why
people say, like, how did you end up?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You know, I love sports? I just told you guys.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean, I'll spend thirteen fourteen hours watching college football
on Saturday, and I love you know, all sports pretty much.
But I saw it happen, you know, went from sports
bringing everybody together, like I've always said, whether you know,
if you think about, for instance, a hospital and you're
in the break room or the cafeteria in a hospital.
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There's not a lot of things that a neurosurgeon and
a janitor could sit at the same table and be
considered completely on even ground with each other. Right, the
neurosurgeon's been in school forever, makes far more money. They
have a lot of things that are different between them.
But a neurosurgeon and a janitor could have a completely
even and fair discussion about a football team or a game,
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and they would each look at each other as being
equally worthy of having an opinion on that issue, and
it would bring them together, even though they're in different
tax brackets, and even though their educational levels might be
entirely different, and even though their life experiences might be
entirely different. Sports brings people together, and it cuts across
identity politics lines. Because I always like to say, Lisa,
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if you win a game and you're in the crowd,
notwithstanding your brawl with the LSU girl back in the day,
if you're on the same team, you will turn in
high five everybody around you, and it won't matter your tribe.
If your team is winning, you won't think about their politics,
you won't think about their race, their income. You're all
brought together in fandom and unity, and I think it's
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important to have these common human experiences that bring us
together as opposed to always tearing us apart.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And so I have.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Seen sports basically be riven and torn asunder by identity politics,
and you could see it happen where all of a sudden,
instead of arguing whether someone was better or not, which
is a totally human sports argument, it's like, oh, this
guy's getting treated unfairly because of his race, or this
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guy is a hero because he's pretending to be a
chick and winning women's sports, and it's just politics by
another name. And I think it really Lisa went crazy
about twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen is where I suddenly
saw it go from hey, let's talk about who's going
to win a game to man, America's awful, look at
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how unfairly we treat our athletes. And I think it's
slowly coming back to sanity, but it's been like seven
or eight years of madness, which.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Is hilarious because they're treated like king. So it's kind
of like, oh yeah, So speaking of the.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You know, men playing in women's sports, you have a
challenged Keith Olberman to a debate, which I actually think
would bring people together because I would have to imagine
there's more people who dislike him than like him, since
he's crazy. Have you has he responded, What do you
think the probability of this would be?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
How do you think you would approach the debate?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, so this is what's funny about it, Lisa to me,
when I grew up, I used to start my morning.
I would sit down in front of the television and
I would eat my cereal as I was getting ready
to go to like middle school or high school, and
I would watch ESPN Sports Center with Keith Olberman and
Dan Patrick as the two hosts. And if you had
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told me when I was fourteen, thirteen, fifteen, whatever, Hey, Clay,
one day, Keith Olberman is going to know your name,
I would have been like, no, this is unbelievable, right.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I would have been like, this is the cool Like
I would have.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Been walking on air just thinking, I can't believe that
this guy that I watch every morning as I get
ready for school and is so fun and engaging and
makes sports even more fun than it otherwise would be,
He's gonna know my name. And unfortunately he knows my
name and he's gone crazy. And now I would say
I have amazingly a better career than he did and
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does because I'm just not crazy. And what he argued
for people who don't know is Riley Gaines, who is
a former University of Kentucky swimmer that had to swim
against Leah Thomas aka Will Thomas, who is a man
who decided to identify as a woman and became a
women's champion.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
He's definitely a dude.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Definitely a dude.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
He has a penis still you know the funniest line
and you may have to edit this out, but I've
seen the memes where it's like, yeah, I just won
this women's championship and if you don't like it, you
can suck my dick. That to me is one of
the one of the funniest memes that I have seen.
You can leave it, you could take it out, but
it's he won a championship in the five hundred meter
and Riley Gaines was swimming against him in one of
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the races and they tied. And she was otherwise going
to go to veteran there sorry to dental school. She's
a smart UK grad. Is one a bunch of SEC championships,
very talented women's swimmer, and this directly impacted her and
she spoke out about it and said this is not
right then, and I'm paraphrasing Keith Olberman. She's been talking
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about it for the last year or so. Keith Olberman
came out and said, get over it.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You just suck.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
That's why you lost. And it's like, no, she beats
almost every woman. She lost to a six foot four
dude who decided that he was a woman. And this
is what everything that's wrong with what I think is
the political nature of sports. And I would have never
believed that we would be in a situation where people
would be arguing, yeah, if a guy wants to pretend
to be a girl, he should be able to be
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a women's champion. And that's where we are. And that's
what I challenged Keith Olberman on. I said, hey, let's
just debate this. You name the at any time, any place, anywhere,
I will show up. You make the argument that this
should happen. I'll make the argument against it, and let's
have that conversation. Let's have that debate.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think she actually tied him, but that's right.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah. I love when like South Park makes fun of
it because they just have this like beat like it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They'll like, do I think there, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I'm thinking of like one of the episodes and they're
i think doing an interview and someone's like, yeah, I
think we should just be accepting, and then they show
the guy and it's just this like beast of a
dude that's rid it out.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
It's the macho man Randy Savage that they use, Lisa.
It's the macho man Randy Savage who pretends and decides
for the old school wrestling fans out there that he
is now a woman, and they just ridicule the idea
that you could be a dude decided to be a
woman and become a women's champion, and that is what
now is occurring, which is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Well, the only thing I know about wrestling is when
my older brother would watch it and then try to
practice the moves on me, like jump off the couch
and try to like closeline me and all the different things.
So yeah, so that that's my familiar.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Well you survived at there's a lot of sisters that
have gone through that. I've got three boys and they
do the wrestling moves on each other. I like, I
told my wife because like recently they were all the
boys wanted.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
To do was just go get snacked and watch sporting events,
and like are upstairs was just a total disaster.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And my wife is like, this is I was like,
this is what living in a frat house is like,
Like you've grown up. You now have three boys and
you obviously are married to me, and they're becoming teenagers,
and they're filthy, and they're dirty, and they fight with
each other and they watch sports and uh and they
stink and this is the house that you live in now.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Her wife, she's just hopefully.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Basically I'm not kidding, she lives in a frat house
effectively with three boys in me.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Well, hopefully she can get some time to herself and uh,
you know, we're gonna take a quick commercial break. More
with Clay Travis. I saw you talking on Twitter about
the need for maximum age limit for presidents. That would
eliminate a lot of people. You said, after the age
of sixty five, who would be left in Congress or
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running for president.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
So my analogy on this is, what would you think
you travel a lot if you walked onto an airplane
and someone who looked like Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Was the pilot, I would get off, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I would do the plane lady. I would be like,
this guy is not real. You know what I'm talking about?
The crazy plan lady.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I think a ton of people would and that plane
lady would be totally with the rights because they won't
allow you to fly a major commercial airliner if you
are over the age of sixty five, because they don't
think you have the mental and physical faculties to be
able to be responsible for that many people's lives, as
every airline pilot is every time they take off, end
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until they land. Joe Biden, we have a thirty five
year You have to be at least thirty five, as
most people know, to be president of the United States.
I wish that we had an upper age limit as
opposed to a lower age limit, because I'd be far
more comfortable with a thirty year old president, even though
that might be a little bit scary to some people
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because thirty year olds and twenty five year olds can
make bad decisions. I trust their mental faculty, Lisa, far
more than I do someone of Joe Biden's age or
someone of Mitch McConnell's age, or someone like certainly Dane Feinstein,
who's just a total mess.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
It's just sad that we're here.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
When you look at how bad Joe Biden is at
being I mean it's intentional, Like, you can't be that bad.
You can't do this much wrong without it being intentional.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Right, So my analogy on this would be a sports
analogy whatever, and so, like, imagine if you spent your
whole life trying to make it to the super Bowl
and then you finally made it to the super Bowl
and you were the starting quarterback and you were sixty
five years old, be a disaster on the field. However
good you might have been at your peak at thirty
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five or twenty five or whatever, age you were the
best at what you do, you would now be a disaster.
And I feel like Joe Biden is a good example
of that. I don't think he would have ever been
a great president, or even a very good one, or
even an okay one, but I think he would have
been infinitely better than he is now. And I feel
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like if he had done it at fifty five or
sixty as bad as he is now, just go back
and listen to him talk even when he started his
campaign or certainly when he was vice president. He doesn't
have the ability to communicate now like he did when
he started his term, but certainly not when he was
VP for Obama. And I just think it's profoundly sad
that we're in this place as a country where there's
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not a like I OutKick.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
There's not a single.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Job that Joe Biden could do at OutKick, and we
have like, I don't know, sixty employees. If I owned
a gas station, Joe Biden couldn't do any job at
a gas station other than Walmart.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Greeter.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'm not sure that Joe Biden hardly could do any
job in America now, and he's got the most important
job in America.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
And I just find that profoundly sad. I really do.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But he might even get fired from being a Walmart reader,
because I'm pretty think you're right, But Clay, I'm pretty
sure that sniffing hair would be frowned upon.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And probably you know, hugging little girls for too long
would also be frowned upon, probably inside of Walmart. But yes, look,
he can't do if I told you, hey, I've got
a gas station, and you're like, okay, I love it,
I'll sell it to you, and you're like, okay, it's
a good deal. And then I was like, there's only
one catch. Joe Biden has to manage it for an
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entire year, and he can't get help from anyone else.
Like the gas station, I firmly believe would go bankrupt.
And I think that's basically what he's doing to the country.
And it's just it's such a disaster that we find
ourselves in this position.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Quick commercial break, stay with us.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But I also think sometimes the age is an excuse
in the sense of, you know, for instance, he had
said that he got recently said that he got strom
Thurmond to vote for the Civil Rights Act of I
think it was an eighteen sixty five. But he's just
a liar, Like I mean, he's been lying about being
the civilights rights icon, you know, dating back for forever.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
This isn't an age thing, Like he's just a bad human.
He doesn't have character. It's a character thing, not an
age thing. And my favorite lie that he's told, or
at least one of them, is when he said he
got arrested trying to visit Nelson Mandela in South Africa
back in the nineteen seventies, and it turns out that
he just got separated from his black colleagues at the airport.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That was the lie.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean when you go to Maui and you
see all of this awful devastation, and your attempt to
connect with people is to say, nineteen years ago, my
house kitchen got on fire and my nineteen sixty seven
corvette got threatened, so I can kind of understand the
dangers and ravages of a wildfire that killed over.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
One hundred people.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I mean, I think what happens is so many politicians
are not that good at their jobs, and they're desperate
to try to make a connection.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And Biden is a liar.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I think he lies all the time, and I think
he lies a way to try to make himself sound
more like the people that he's speaking to, even when
his life experience there's zero in common for them. And
I think that's sadly kind of the result of what
I would say, the Clinton era of empathy. You remember
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back in the day, like I feel your pain. Like
some presidents are good empathizers and do do a good
job of trying to think about what it might be
like for other people, I might point out that Clinton
didn't do that when he was getting his blowjob from
an intern. But you know, like that's another story, maybe
not the greatest, maybe a little bit of a failure
of empathy there, I might I might submit, or maybe not.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
He probably felt that pretty well too, But I would
say in general that that, to me, is what Biden's
trying to do.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
He's just really bad at it.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Let's get into your book first.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So you're out with a new book called the American Playbook,
A Guide of winning bath the Country from the Democrats,
which you've been out on the road, you know, going
to these book tours and that sort of thing. What
does that playbook look like? As we as we discuss
politics here, I.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Get it that people get uncomfortable, but I think you
have to just tell people what you exactly believe, and
if you do that, I think that they will.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Give you a large.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Space, so to speak, because I think there's a desperate
demand for authenticity and it's not being realized in America today.
So like I have all sorts of laws, every politician
has all sorts of laws, Every human has all sorts
of laws. I actually think people tend to like you
for your flaws more than they do for your talents.
And that sounds strange, but when you really break it down,
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it speaks to honestly acknowledging who you are and what
you are about on a day to day basis. And
so we mentioned earlier. To me, a perfect jumping off
point is what we talked about earlier, the idea of
women in men's sports are men and women's sports. Because
right now you probably don't have to remember this very much,
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but let's pretend you were back in your days of
the University of Tennessee. You were probably a pretty sorority girl,
so you probably didn't have to stand in line that
much to get into bars. But as a guy, guys
stand in line all the time to get into bars,
and a lot of times you eventually get up there.
And there's a big cover charge. And the analogy that
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I would make is the cover charge to be a
Democrat right now is you have to be willing to
admit to a lie, which is the idea that biology
is not real. Right there is a profound difference between
boys and girls. Right now, Democrats would argue that when
a baby is born that sometimes doctors get the sex
of the baby wrong. That doesn't happen. That's a lie.
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Men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women. That's why
sports are separated. It doesn't mean that women are inferior.
It just means that the reason why women compete against
women and men compete against men is the same reason
I coach twelve year old baseball because there is a
difference between a twelve year old baseball player and a
sixteen year old baseball player. There is a reason, Lisa,
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why one hundred and twenty pound boxer does not fight
against a two hundred and twenty pound boxer. It's not
because one boxer is better than the other one necessarily,
it's because the two hundred and twenty pound boxer would
kill the one hundred and twenty pound boxer. We try
to create evenness of competition within the larger rules. Democrats
right now, as a condition to be member of their party,
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require you to say things that are fundamentally untrue. And
so that is a jumping off point in the book
where I say, I think that Republicans are the party
now of the First Amendment. We are the party that
likes jokes. We are the party that is anti cancel culture.
We are the party of personal freedom and responsibility that
believes in bodily autonomy. And then I also, and I
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don't know what your personal opinions are on abortion, but
I go head on with abortion, and I think you
have to be willing to just tell people exactly what
you believe, explain it, own it, and let them make
their own determinations.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Now, I have found myself probably as far right on
abortion as you can get these days, as I've gotten older.
I just think a life is a life, and so
I don't think you can discount that for any reason.
But that puts me how to step with, you know,
probably the bulk of America.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But I'm okay with that.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So and I appreciate that, and you can have that position.
My position would be, in the way that I break
it down in the book is the data reflects that
ten percent of people believe that you should be able
to have an abortion basically up to the ninth month
of pregnancy. I think that's crazy, okay. And the data
reflects that there are ten percent of people who believe
that life of the mother rape incests that there should
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be an abortion right that means eighty percent of the
America is between those two positions. Republicans have to answer
for the rape incests, life of the mother's side of
the party all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Media is on it all the time. I thought Nikki
Haley did a good.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Job of illustrating this, and this is certainly what I
write in the book. Democrats never get answered about asked
about why thirty eight or thirty ninth week abortions should
be permissible.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That to me, is the way the conversation has to shift.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
We can agree or disagree on where exactly the line
should be drawn. Every state can make its own determination
thanks to Roe VWA being overturned. But I think most
people have both pro life and pro choice impressions when
you give them particular fact patterns, and I don't think
our countries politicians address the vast majority of the American
population on that issue. I think it's a good example
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of just say exactly what you believe and also acknowledge
that there's a wide variety of opinions and people can
have their own position, but tell them what you believe.
I think again that desperate craving for authenticity. I don't
think the Republican position is the radical one because a
wide variety of Republican abortion opinions exist. The democrat one
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is the radical one that believes that nine month abortion
should be allowed.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, I also think that people trust you more if
you are willing to take a stand on as long
as it's authentic to your point, you're not just manufacturing it.
But if you're willing to take the hits for what
you believe, I think that even people who disagree with
you the position could be won over because they're like, Okay,
at least respect this person for being honest as opposed
to you know, telling you something in a primary and
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then shifting your position or you know or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
No, I think that's true.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And I also think, like one of the issues that
I have in general, I single issue voters. If you
are no matter in my opinion, what you care about,
If you only care about one issue, I think, frankly,
you're not spending enough time thinking about issues. Right, Like,
there are so many things I care about, and I
don't presume that every politician is going to have the
(25:59):
same opinion on every single one of them with me,
but I think everybody should rank, you know, like these
are the four or five things that matter the most
to me, and I'm going to try to find the
politician that most accurately reflects my overall worldview and then
go support that person. But the idea of like, you know,
I always think about this. I'm sure you've seen it
the more radio you've done. The moment that I started
(26:19):
doing radio, do you know what one of the first
things I got was an email, an email from the
listener saying, and I've been doing radio like fifteen, sixteen
years whatever it is now, I will never ever listen
to you again because you said X right. Doesn't matter
what the opinion is. Everybody who's ever done audio, especially
everybody who's done live radio, it's one of the first
things that happens to you in your career. And the
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first few times you get those emails like a little
bit sober, and you're like, wow, I mean, like, man,
that person's never going to come back. And then you
know what happens. That person writes you again, and then
they write you again, and then they write you again,
and every time they're like, I will never listen to
you again. You're like, wait a minute, you just told
me six months ago that you were never going to
listen to me again, and here you are listening again.
People love to be outraged and love to emotionally react,
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but upon reflection, most people realize that emotional reactions, while gratifying,
aren't actually the best way to govern your life. And
so what I find is the more time you spend
talking to people, the more rational they get. And sports
is a perfect example of that because as you well know,
you know, every time you pick the winner of Alabama
(27:24):
Auburn and it's not decided that somebody likes, they want
to murder you. So like people are like, oh, you
talk about politics now. It must be like somebody's like, no,
have you ever picked in the Alabama Auburn and the
Iron Bowl or Ohio State Michigan or Boston Red Sox
against the Yankees. Like it's just a tribe and the
tribe is angry if you're not on the tribe side.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But you can't really get that worked up about it.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Because ultimately I can't control what somebody else thinks about
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That's not my job.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, I had to learn the hard way at the
LSU game.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So yeah, you're lucky to be a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I really am OHSU fans are crazy, except for that
one guy that you gave the tickets to.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
He was amazing at a sign.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Do you remember the LSU fan who tea bagged the No,
So that was an Alabama fan who ta bagged the
LSU fan.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Do you remember that story? No, After Alabama beat LSU.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
In the National Championship Game. I want to say, this
is like twenty twelve. I'm sure you've been out on
Bourbon Street at some point, right.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yes, wait, no, I'm not really. Yeah, the Bourbon Street.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Is in New Orleans, like the main drag, and I've
never been.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I can't believe you went to an SEC school and
you haven't been out on Bourbon Street. So Bourbon Street
like wild crazy. It's all Alabama LSU fans. So Alabama
wins the National Championship Game, there is a monster. I
think it's still there. A monster Crystals. I bet you've
been to Crystal before if you went to.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Ut oh, absolutely one.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So I think that it's still there.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
It's like the world's biggest crystal and they're open like
twenty four hours and everybody gets drunk on hurricanes and
you know, like at four am you can go get
as many Crystal Burgers or Crystal Chick or whatever you want.
And this Alabama fan, this this LSU fan passes out,
and this Alabama fan decides, with massive crowds there, to
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put his balls on top of this guy's head while
he's passed out, and and it turns into a major
criminal investigation and everything else. And my point is, maybe
you got off easy given that you just almost got
a fight with an LSU girl.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I got very lucky because I didn't think that it
would escalate like that. I was just like, you know,
like whatever Tennessee is the but you know, like just
stupid stuff, and she like, you know, turned it up Tomcats. Yeah,
I was like just kidding, take it back, all right?
So where can people find? You're on the road with
the book? Where can people are you still on the road?
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Can people find you out on tour?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I'll probably be on the road quite a bit this
fall for games. But the book is up at Amazon
American Playbook. I think they'll enjoy it. Look, the goal
was to write a easy, engaging, fun read that you
know it's not. I don't think it's going to revolutionize
the field of political science or anything, but I do
think it'll be entertaining. I think it makes an argument
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for how to win a landslide victory and just the
power of logic triumphing over what is very often an
emotional environment for our country. I feel like everybody's kind
of like a fourteen or fifteen year old adolescent at
times right now, and while that can be fun, everybody
remembers that you typically, as an ager, make a lot
of stupid decisions, and I think that's kind of the
way our country is behaving right now.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think that's a good way to summarize it. Clay
Travis American Playbook, always going to talk to you, my friend.
I appreciate you making time.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
No doubt, have a good Labor day.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And Govalls, Yes, go falls.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
That was Clay Travis out with his new book, American Playbook.
Go check it out. Appreciate him making the time. Appreciate
you guys for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you
can listen throughout the week. I want to think John
Cassio for putting the show together Until next time.
Host
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