June 20, 2024 • 38 mins
This conversation between Lisa and Will Cain covers various topics, including Joe Biden's age and mental decline, the failures of Democrat policies, the impact of Donald Trump on the political landscape, and the WNBA 's treatment of rookie player Caitlin Clark. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So we all saw that video at the Los Angeles
fundraiser recently where Barack Obama had to escort Joe Biden
off the stage. Now, instead of just emitting the truth
that you know, Joe Biden is incognitive decline, something that
we all see as Americans when we watch him doddering
around on stages, or we watch him give press conferences
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seemingly getting lost mid sentence, that vacant stare that he
gives us as if a you know, computer is quite
literally shutting off.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Instead of telling.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Us the truth, the White House and the media, they're
trying to gaslight us, I mean cream. Jean Pierre, a
White House press secretary, gave a press conference telling us
that these videos that we're saying are deceptively edited, despite
the fact that there's hundreds just like them. The media
is telling us that these are called cheap fakes, trying
to also lie to us and tell us that they're
deceptively edited. One, what does that tell us about the media?
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And also is this going to work? Is this strategy
going to work with the American people? We're going to
dig into that and all things. Meet with Will Caine
from Fox News, you know him, he's a co host
of Fox and Friends Weekend. He's also the host of
the Will kin Show podcast. It's great, he's out every day.
You can check it out wherever you get podcasts, you
can find it. But we're going to get his broader
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assessment on the media, is a strategy going to work?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And then also dig into a little bit about the debate.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
What should you expect our Republicans are you know, are
we setting the bar too low?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Also, we're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Get Will's take on the presidential election, where things stand
now and you know where's this all heading. Stay tuned
for a great and interesting conversation with my colleague and
friend Will Caine. Well, Will Kane, it's great to have
you on the show. I appreciate you making the time,
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my friend.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Hey, Lisa, I'm super happy to be on your show.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So, you know what I wanted to get your take on.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I was thinking about this today and I was on
Fox earlier and we were talking about it, like this
really grinds my gears. Well, they're like a lot of
things right now, to which I'm sure you feel the
same way. All Right, So Joe Biden's eighty one, he's
clearly in cognitive decline. But he would be a terrible
president even if you were thirty five years old. I mean,
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is his age kind of being used as a cover
to some extent.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I don't know that it's being used as a cover,
and I don't think it is a B storyline. I
think it is topic A. I think this is a
massively important issue, Lisa. I mean, if the President of
the United States is of not sound mind or sound body,
he's not of his full mental capacity. That is a
problem for the United States of America. And it is
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the lowest threshold that should be expected to be cleared.
It should be you know, competent. You know, that's a
little bit important to the qualifications of the leader of
the free world. And he's going to be He's eighty
one years old. He's signing up to do another four years.
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He's in rapid decline. Anyone who's ever had a pet
has told you that the rate of decline, or for
that matter, a grandparent, is extremely fact in the last
six months of one's life. And so you have to
ask very legitimate questions, like, well, the President of the
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United States live out his second term? Can he complete
the job? If he's alive during his second term. I
think these are topic A and I think they're of
extreme important to the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But I guess what I'm trying to get to is
even before he was in mental decline. You know, former
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that Joe Biden had gotten
every foreign policy issue wrong for decades, or you look
at Obama saying that don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to
f things up, or even you know, when Obama was
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in office as a Democrat, you know, that's when Russia
decided to annex Crimea. So I guess the only point
I'm making is that like the danger sure that we
were in as a country, I don't think is specific
to his age. I think that you know, even if Obama,
you know, Russia was doing what they're doing now to
some extent under Obama's time, or the issues that Joe
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Biden is pushing right now are the same failure as
that we're seeing in states like California, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
It's like, it's not just an age thing.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
It's because Joe Biden is a terrible president, and he
would be if at eighty one or if you were
thirty five.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I agree with you eighty percent of the way. And
the statement that you said that I think I find
the most interesting is the problems that we're in is
a country aren't specific to his age, and that is
mostly true. I mean, you know, you could have an
ideological administration of extreme competence and still put your country
in extreme problems. And Joe Biden throughout his career has
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been a poor leader, a poor judge of policy, and
not very smart, and that's independent of his age. But
I still think, and I'm not saying this as I
think it's not cheap again, I think it is story
a that you have to be present to do the job.
But here's why I only agree with you eighty percent
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that the problems aren't specific to his age. If he's
not present, if he's not the one doing the job,
then we have very legitimate questions to ask about who
is leading the US.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
No, I mean, I see what you're saying. I like,
I guess my, you know, I guess too.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know, Joe Biden has you know, been a prolific
liar and just a terrible human being throughout his entirety
of his career. You know, even when he was sen
a Judiciary chairman. He's overseen to the nastiest Supreme Supreme
Court confirmation hearings with Robert Burton Claire. I just think
he's a terrible guy, a terrible president, and sometimes the
age is sort of like an excuse for how awful
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he is. Is my you know, only point with all that.
But but despite all that, we've got the media and
also the White House, I mean, Kareem Gene Pierre standing
there telling us that, you know, these video are deceptively
edited or I was saying, you know, Rolling Stone and
some of the media now were calling it cheap fakes,
these videos trying to tell us that, oh, no, you know,
it's not because he's you know, a senile, dottering old man.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
The videos are just set.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
In its insane. It's like straight out of nineteen eighty four.
And I know that we've said that on multiple occasions,
and we had that, you know, exposed beyond all doubts
and questions during COVID, But this is like one of
the most blatant examples I can think of where they're
telling you no, the light was red and we all
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know that it was green. No, you know, up is
down and down is up. They're not only trying to
tell us that Joe Biden is solid and that it's
misinformation and cheap fakes for us to pretend that he's week.
They're also trying to play offense by accusing others of
the sins which they're guilty. They're running a counter offensive
saying that Donald Trump is feeble, that Donald Trump needs help,
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ushered off of a stage, that Donald Trump is the
one losing his marbles. And I mean, it's just straight,
straight propaganda. This is straight you know, lies to our
face to create a false reality. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is it effective? I mean, how how you know how
much does propaganda work?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Well? Propaganda works, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it.
It's the most powerful tool for authoritarian governments over the
past century. But back to this question of Joe Biden's
mental capacity, you know, I think it is the most
important thing, but I also think it's the most effective
thing for the non political person. Like the point that
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you're making to me is that he'd be a bad
president even if you were of his full capacity. In correct,
I agree with you, But I think that you are
also and so am I a somewhat politically inclined person.
I think for the people that are out there just
watching and not inclined to party or to depth of
understanding on the news cycle that allow most of the
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news to wash over them, I think it's a very
important issue and a very effective issue. The President of
the United States is stumbling into senility, and I don't
think in that instance that the propaganda will work. I
just think it's too obvious. It's a bad parlor trick
on you know, the corner of forty eighth Avenue in
Times Square. It's like, I can see your hand moving,
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I know where the ball is, I know which shell.
It's like, why do you stick around and watch that one?
This guy's not even a good slide of hands. So yeah,
I don't think this one works. I think this is
bad propaganda.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
What it's like that saying you don't don't peel my
leg and tell me it's raining, you know. I mean
we saw this during COVID too, where you know, basically
anything that you know the left and the media they
don't like, they label it as misinformation, disinformation, you know.
I mean we saw this about basically everything that was
true about COVID. You know, they lie to us and
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told us otherwise. But yet, you know doctor Fauci, who
was the public face of our government's COVID response as
well as the one really pushing these policies and also
really censoring and shutting down any truth tellers that we're
out there.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
He's out with the book now.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I mean that, can I be like any more of
a flagrant little finger to the lives that he destroyed
during COVID.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
No, it couldn't. I'm going to tie these two things,
maybe three things together, the constant accusation of misinformation, the
story about COVID, and I want to analogize those two.
A good approaching decade of calling everything racist. So I
think that calling things racist Lisa has really lost a
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lot of punch, a lot of weight. I mean, especially
I think with younger generations. I don't think it just
carries much anymore like it did in two thousand and sixteen, seventy,
in eighteen, it's like somebody calls something racist in everyone
else's eyes in the room roll. I think that's kind
of where we are with with COVID as well. It's like,
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here's Anthony Fauci out here, to play the role of
hero and he's gonna get he's gonna get set it
on you know, CBS by Nate Burleson and Gail King
and everybody else's eyes will roll. I think that's also
where we are on misinformation, and that's probably why it
has to go by new names on sort of a
six month rolling basis. It goes from you know, disinformation
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to misinformation, to deep fakes to cheap fakes, to try
to get some to make that drum resonate with the
audience because I think it's really we might already be there,
but it's approached the place where you call something misinformation
in everyone's eyes roll.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, I'm sure, but yeah, but I've been I mean,
I guess, I guess I always wrestle with you know,
as you mentioned before, like we're two people who, you know,
we follow the news because we like it, but also
because it's our job as well. And I'm just I
always kind of wrestle with you know, do we hold
these views or do we hold these observations of you know,
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recognizing you know, the extent of the lies that we've
been told by the government and the media because of that,
or you know, is the rest of America a wake
as well.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I struggle with that as well. Really right, And I
think there's a lot of people that I use this
analogy on the wil Kane Show a lot. I think
of the news it's sort of like a river, and
if you let the river just wash over you, all
you do is really pick up the flotsam and the
jetsum of you know, little bits of things that are
repeated at the backyard barbecue. And I think that's where
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terms like racist or misinformation gather weight. But if you
stick your rudder into the river at all and start
guiding the direction of your own ship and understanding the
deeper currents, wow, you're like, this is this is stupid,
this is silly, this is this is what they this
is the guy they canceled for me too. And I
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just used that one example because I think about some
of my friends and I do struggle with what you're
talking about, because, hey, I don't want to be an
overly political person. I don't want to see everything through
a partisan lens, Lisa, but I definitely want to stick
my rudder into the river and understand the issues. And
I just hear more than one of my friends like
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just just kind of reject the flotsam that washed over
them in the river. Like I was in a was
having lunch last week in New York when I'm in
New York on the weekends, and one of my friends
was like, we should really revisit all of the people
that were canceled during ME Too. And of course that's
not a rejection of the existence of sexual harassment or
any righteous examples within ME Too, but we can also
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acknowledge it was like it was the Salem witch trial,
like he got out of hand and all kinds of
people lost their jobs and we just move on, and
why don't we stick our rudder in deeper and kind
of look into some of those stories, like, hey, does
this guy deserve to be canceled forever? And I think
the same thing applies to like, you know this stuff
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about is Trump losing his marbles and you know, did
he need help off the stage. I think more and
more people understand I kind of have to stick my
rudder into the water, otherwise I'm just going to be
blown into into just a dam of bullshit on the
side of the river.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
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to take a stand today, you know, and I try
to sort of, you know, use this as well as
we head into the twenty twenty four election of you know,
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just trying to figure out where the you know, public
sentiment truly lies, right because you know, I'm more partisan
than you in the sense of, you know, I come
from Republican politics, so you know, I wear that on
my sleeve. You're you're you're more you know, unbiased, kind
of in the middle of type deal. But I'm certainly
you know, so I'm just always trying to figure out,
you know, especially heading into this after the midterms and
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you know, thinking that a red wave was coming and
it was you know, basically you know, a ripple, and
trying to assess where the American people are in this
presidential election. I mean, look, Donald Trump's pulling better than
he did twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. You go to the
real clear Politics up polling right now in all seven
battleground states in a head to ad contest, he is up.
You know, so, look, things look good. What's sort of
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your assessment on where this race stands today?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well, first, I don't know that I consider myself someone
in the middle, But I also don't consider myself someone
anywhere on the political spectrum because I reject the political spectrum,
and that forces me to reject those political parties like
I am going to more often than not vote Republican
by a process of correlation and default. Like if I
if I think about each individual issue and where I
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am on it, and I do I am somewhat ideological.
But what I'm getting at, Lisa is I think the
older that I've gotten at, I think two things have
happened for me. Number One, I'd like to think I
hope I've gained some humility, And I also hope I'd
like to think that's part of wisdom, that humility comes
from understanding in the past where I might have been wrong,
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you know, and changing some positions.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
In the past, I would have been much more willing
to say, you know, I'm on the right, or I'm
a libertarian, or I'm a conservative, and I would have
had really strong ideological backing for every single position or
label that was ready to be, you know, hoisted upon me.
But I do think over the past five to ten years,
and I think the emergence of Donald Trump has made
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me reconsider the value of a strict ideology, you know,
And so I just want to be a little more
practical and understand human nature and where leaders fit into
human nature. So the all I'm getting at there is
why I struggle sometimes just like use shorthand for my
own belief, you know what I mean. But I don't
think that puts me in the middle, like I don't.
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I don't ever consider myself like between left and right,
or and I try to be honest about my biases,
like I don't ever pretend to be unbiased. I just
want to let people know what my biases are. All
I'm getting at is I think in a wider spectrum
there might be a lot of people that agree with me,
because I don't think that modern American politics is like
a straight line spectrum between right and left, Republican and Democrat.
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It just can't be anymore. So like how explain to
me free speech? Explain to me vaccine mandates. Explain to
me a whole host of issue that that fit into
the right left spectrum. They just don't anymore. Like, you know,
there was a time when the left was supposed to
be the champion of free speech and the right was
worried about offensive speech. That's totally obviously been flipped on
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its head. You know, there was a time when the left,
like I believe in medical freedom, and then and then
the left believes in absolute mandates. So I just all
I'm getting at is I don't I don't know how
to describe my own politics. Yeah, pretty conservative. I used
to be more libertarian, but I don't know that That'll
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leads to the question you asked me, like, where do
we stand? Where does the election stand? Man? I was
blown away by the midterm elections too so. And by the.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Way, in twenty twenty, yeah, I went to Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Went to a Trump rally in twenty twenty. It was
the first time I've been to a Trump rally, and
I was like, wow, I don't know how he loses.
And then twenty twenty happened. And then I look at
TV now and I see like throngs of crowds in
Newport Beach, California, and I'm like, wow, I don't know
how he loses, but I do have a little more humility.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, you know, I'm glad you have, you know, humility.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I mean, I think we all you know, I admitted
when you know I got the midterms wrong. You know,
unfortunately we have government leaders like Fauci, who you know,
refused to do that when they were so definitive in
the policies they were pushing that destroyed the nation.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But I like what you said about sort of, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
The changing political landscape, because when you were talking about that,
I was thinking to myself, I wonder how much of
that is due to Donald Trump, right, because he came
into the system in twenty sixteen, is just this outsider
and sort.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Of disrupted traditional conservative.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Ideology, you know, and and you saw sort of that
comment when he picks someone like Mike Pence sort of
a traditional conservative as is BP, but he was really
a disruptor when it came to you know, issues like
trade and you know, immigration and a variety of other issues.
So I guess how much of that sort of shifting
political landscape do you think is due to the disruption
of Donald Trump sort of entering the political arena.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
A ton a ton And I look at myself and
I find probably the twenty twelve version of me will
look at the twenty twenty four version of me and say, wow,
you've lost some principles. But I don't think that I
have lost some principles. I think the twenty twelve version
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of me was too dedicated to some ideological ideas that
were divorced from reality. So to your point, Donald Trump
comes in and we have to reconsider that free trade
is the best policy in all situations if you're being
taken advantage of by the rules of your own game
by a state, theft and and teeter in China. Donald
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Trump repositioned the Republican Party when it comes to trade
protectionism to unions in the United States of America, to
duvishness on foreign wars as opposed to a constant neo
con hawkishness. And this is what I if you think
about at leasta, okay, ideology. Political ideology is a relatively
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recent phenomenon. It's about a century old, Okay. So I'm
reading this book right now called The Age of Revolutions,
and it's about from seventeen fifty to eighteen twenty, the
French Revolution, the American Revolution, but there are revolutions all
around the world. But this is really the formation of
the nation state beginning of history, and then political ideologies
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follow along roughly a good one hundred years later after
the formation of the nation state. The point is what
led us before that, before were the last century practicality, leadership,
wisdom and understanding and trying to employ real, timeless principles
of prudence and justice. And I just think that when
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I look at leadership now, and I do think Donald
Trump played a large role. And of course, anybody disagrees
with me, and anybody's gonna go, oh my god, I just
talking about the grab him by the crotch guy, and
he's the one forcing you to consider the qualities of
leadership and prudence and justice. And my answer to that
is yes, yes, because leaders are imperfect. Leaders don't shouldn't
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fit into neat ideological boxes. We shouldn't stand on a
debate stage and go who's the most conservative, because that's
not how human nature works. That's not the nature of leadership.
You and I could pick the most conservative center in
the US right, and we could send him to the
White House, and that doesn't guarantee us anything about him
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being a good leader and getting anything accomplished. You know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And what's interesting too, is you know, I wonder I mean, look,
I think it's I would argue the left has clearly
gone off the deep end. And you can even see
former Democrats like Julian Michael's come out recently talking about
the state of California on how the left has sort
of left her behind and she stayed the same, but
you know, the left has gone crazy, and Elon Musk saying,
you know, similar things to that. So how much of
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that do you think is a product of Donald Trump
during this scene and sort of like forcing this you know,
political title wave and this massive, you know, tectonic shift
in politics, or do you think they were heading that
direction anyways?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I do think that Donald Trump is this is this
tectonic shift. I do. I think we're gonna write books
about Donald Trump for half a century, and hopefully they're
positive books. You know what I mean by that is
hopefully the impact on history is a is a positive one.
But I think that it's so crazy to think that,
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you know, Barack Obama was quite possibly the most ideological
president that we have had. I'm just sitting here racking
my brain to go through history because I don't think
that Linda Baines Johnson, even with the Great Society, was
quite as ideologically as far to the left. I think
he was more of a narcissist and you know, sheer
political creature. So maybe since Franklin Donald Roosevelt, that Barack
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Obama's probably the most ideological president in that time frame,
and then Donald Trump comes along. Despite the left framing
everything is far right, far right, and that's one of
their current catchphrases, everything is far right. He largely rejects
political ideology. He largely rejects any sense. In fact, some
of my very good friends they didn't like Donald Trump
at the beginning because they thought he wasn't a conservative.
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Remember that conversation said that was a real y. He's
not a conservative. And the truth is, I mean, I
think he is instinctually somewhat conservative, but he kind of says,
I just want to be common sense and practical, you know.
And the point of this isn't to be to totally
isolate yourself from principles. That's not I think the lesson,
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because principles are part of wisdom in prudence, and the
left has totally divorced itself from any type of principle,
and it considers it's it's north star largely abstract terms
like you know, equalities now, equity, justice, and those are
all things dictated by the popular opinion, the mob. And
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so I think the point is we can't lurch in
the direction of populism defined by what is popular and
divorce yourself from principles. But I also think we need
to be careful about replacing, how about this religion with
political ideology. I think that's been a temptation on the
left and on the right, with Marxism and with maybe
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even libertarianism, to replace the role of faith in life
with political ideology.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Now that we're talking and listening to what you have
to say, which is really interesting, getting me thinking. You know,
I do think Donald Trump is principled. I just think
his principles don't fall in like a neat political spectrum
as you were kind of laying out, even you know,
with your beliefs, which I think is kind of where
more Americans stand. You know, I'm certainly further to the right.
I am, you know, honest about that. It's you know,
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what I've done for a living. It's just what I believe.
Uh But you know, so I think he is principal.
It's just, you know, it doesn't kind of like neatly
align with what we have sort of traditionally have looked
at as you know, Democrat or Republican beliefs, which is
you know interesting, how do you think you know, we
watched the New York trial with Donald Trump and and
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sort of what he was put through. We're obviously awaiting
sentencing in July next month here coming up very soon. Actually, uh,
how do you think this trial plays out politically? And
sort of what are you expecting from the sentencing.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's the hardest one. Back to our analogy about the
river and whether or not it washes over people or
they dig their rudder in. I think this is one
where I have a little less faith than people willing
to dig in. I think the left made a calculated
gamble to come away from this trial with a bumper
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sticker slogan of convicted felon and they got it. They
got that, and I do think that will affect a
lot of people. I did see a poll this week,
Lisa that showed independence recently had swung towards Joe Biden.
There's so many different poles out and you can parse
them so many different ways. But that was a little
concerning to me when I saw that, because elections do
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come down too independence in a couple of different states.
And if they sentenced Donald Trump to something, I think
if they sentenced into something visual like, surely they would
never put him in jail, you know, But if they did,
I think it would swing back the other way. I
think that would be too much. I think it would be
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too obvious. I think they got their bumper sticker slogan
and they should probably go to battle with it, and
they will. That's what you will hear next week at
the presidential debate. By the way, Lisa, on that front,
I had on the Will Kine Show this week Senator
Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. I find Senator Mullen pretty
interesting guy, pretty handed, kind of a cowboy, a wrestlerris
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from eastern Oklahoma. And I asked him, do you think
Joe Biden will be the nominee? And I kind of
thought he'd say one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So I was gonna ask you that, but keep going.
It's interesting listening.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, I thought he'd say one hundred percent because at
this point you would think stability would be your your
best course. Well, I think his name is doctor Alan Lickman,
who's got every presidential election rights since nineteen eighty four.
He predicts it will be Joe Biden, and Joe Biden
will win. And the reason that he predicts Joe Biden
will win is because of stability. Unless something happens, it's
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a huge advantage for the incumbent. That's something could be war,
it could be a terror rist attack, it could be
a stock market crash and an economic recession. But without
that stability advantages Joe Biden. So his point of view
is like, then therefore you would never replace Joe Biden. Well,
here's what Mullen said, fifty to fifty, they replaced Joe Biden.
I thought, wow, fifty to fifty, and he said, well,
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let's just walk through this together, will He goes, First
of all, when the classified Dodgument's investigation was put together
and all the different leads from law enforcement and then
subsequently the DOJ, the special prosecutor that Joe Biden's mental
competency was a question, right, And we now know the
Biden administration has tried to classify Robert Hur's deposition where
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Joe Biden was slipping up and couldn't remember the date
of the year of Hunters of bo Biden's death, couldn't
remember the years he was vice president. But Mullen said,
for that to even come out is pretty shocking. It
doesn't need to come out in that investigation it's not
germane to come out. So he thought that's eye opening,
that's eyebrow raising for that to even come out. Second,
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he says, what's the last time you saw a presidential
debate before either party's convention for the president, And he's right.
I think it's like they're always in the fall, you know,
three debates in the fall from like September through October,
and we're having one in June. Was good debate. Next
week we don't even had the Democrat or the Republican convention.
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And his theory is we're going to see how he
does next week, and if he lays an egg. If
Joe Biden lays an egg, you put into place the
groundwork that you sow the field to begin to take
this to the delegates in the convention and replace Joe
Biden got.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
A quick commercial break more with Wilcine. So I worry
with the debate that Republicans are setting the bar too
low for Joe Biden. And so basically all he has
to do is not drilling himself to seed that bar.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You know, because you look at the fact that there's
no live audience, which helps Joe Biden. You know, I
wouldn't say it hurts Donald Trump, but you know, he
feeds off of a crowd in a way that Joe
Biden does not. You've got two liberal anchors with Jake
Tapper and Dana Bash, and then they can also mute
the mics as well, and so you know, clearly the
questions are probably going to be more liberal and you know,
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more anti Trump, and then they have the ability to
cut the mics when needed and when wanted. So I mean,
is it a mistake then to sort of set the
bar too low? And do you agree with that assessment
that the bar has been set too low?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Well, I don't know what we I mean, how do
you set the bar? Like, how are republic quote unquote
Republicans are anybody if that matter, setting the bar by
showing videos of Joe Biden being led around by Georgia
Maloney or Barack Obama or stumbling through the teleprompter. I mean,
that just is what it is, Like, It's not a
political play, It's just it is what it is. That's
who the president of the United States. That's his condition.
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So I don't know what we could have done about that,
but yeah, I do think it's possible he exceeds it.
I mean, he kind of did at State of the Union.
He did a State of the Union. You know, he
did last last four years ago in the debates. He
did then as well. So he can get up how
or why. I think it is a very legitimate conversation,
but he can get up for it. And then if
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that's the case, yeah, maybe the then it's uh, this
isn't the This isn't the set the stage for him
to be replaced. By the way Mullen gave a name,
he's thinks he thinks that you know, Gavin Newsom and
Kamala Harris, He's like, they're not gonna pull any better
than Joe Biden. And then and the name that he
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gave me was one I had not heard before, he
said House Minority Leader Hakim Jefferies.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Interesting. See, I've been trying to make the case when
I'm on TV.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You know, one, it's not just the ageing he'd be
a terrible president regardless of his age. And then secondly,
it's also just the failure of Democrat policy, as I mean,
you look at California, you know, some of the highest taxes,
yet you know they have a multi billion dollar budget deficit,
or the fact that they have the highest unemployment in
the nation, or you know, they spend so much on homelessness,
yet they have one of the worst homeless parts.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's like it's like the policies at large that Democrats
push are what is failing the nation. It's not just
you know, Joe Biden Earth's age, but uh, you know,
but you know, but I want him to be the nominee, right,
so let's hope that it's you know, Trump wins, but
Joe Biden doesn't fall in his face and doesn't roll
because I don't want him to be swapped out personally.
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So I wanted to switch gears slightly into the world
of sports.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Briefly.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I did tweet that I wish we could go back
to not talking about the w NBA, but it is
permanent to a degree, so I kind of because it
just seems so spoil I mean, I guess, you know,
I don't know if I'm viewing it from a different lens,
just because I've never really liked a WNBA. But why
do you think Caitlin Clark is on the receiving end
of so much hatred it seems, or is.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
She jealousy, pettiness, racism, a combination of all of those things.
Kaitlin Clark is literally saving the WNBA. The WNBA is
not popular. Virtually no one watches it, Virtually no one
goes to the games. It's subsidized by the NBA. It's
an annual money loser. And here comes somebody that brings
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with them literally millions of viewers, got to expand stadium
capacity for new butts and seats. All of a sudden,
her debut, three million people watch when she's on TV
versus when she's not on TV. The difference is in
the hundreds of thousands. And she promises to make this
league something that's actually profitable, which would bleed off on
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anybody that works for that league, including the other players.
But there's so much pettiness, jealousy and racism that they can't.
They have to look the gift horse in the mouth,
and even if they see, you know, no soldiers inside
the trojan horse, they they will reject the gift. They're
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rejecting the gift. Now here's the funny thing. It may
be something that showers gifts upon them anyway. So they
don't want the face of their league to be this
little straight white girl who played at Iowa. That's the truth,
that's the bottom line. They don't they begrudge her the
attention that she's getting. And you know, to some extent,
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there's some human nature, like the worst of human nature,
that makes it all understandable for all of us. We've
been toiling in this league for a decade. I've been
doing this and I'm really good, and now all of
a sudden, she comes in. She gets all this attention. Yes,
and she brings all of these riches with her as
well to you. And here's how it may play out
for them anyway, Lisa. It's turning into like wwe they're
all the heel and she's the baby. Like people are
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going to watch to see her be the hero and
them be the villain, and they're willingly leaning into these roles.
But just know who you are. You're the villain. But
it's almost like there's nothing you can do to keep
Caitlin Clark from grabbing people's attention, attention which did not
exist before for the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well, and I ask you this because you're, you know,
a sports guy with your history at ESPN, and you
know there's been a lot of videos of her kind
of getting ruffed up. So I'm not the biggest I
grew up watching hockey games and like going to like,
you know, football games and whatnot. But I'm not the
biggest basketball person. How normal is that for a rookie
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to get ruffed up like that? Or is this sort
of on another level?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I think it's on another level. Some of it's normal,
I mean, if we're being fair, and some of it
would be normal for somebody that's getting this much attention.
It's like, let's put her back in her place and
show her she's still a rookie, right, But I think
it's definitely another level. And then I think even more
so than the physical play, I think it's the way
they talk about her. You know, even when she was
still at Iowa, there was people like Cheryl Swoops who
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rejected her greatness. And I don't know if Cherrel Seuss
was intentionally lying or just ignorant about a lot of
little stuff like how many years Kaitlyn Clark could play
to Iowa, how many points she had scored, whether or
not she'd haud of COVID year. All these different things
kind of undercut what she'd accomplished. And the previous scoring
leader said, I'll still be the scoring leader, meaning in
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the record books, why why do you? Why do you
deny what Caitlyn accomplished? And then she arrives in the
NBA WNBA and you get sort of the same kind
of talk, just kind of dismissing her. I think that's
more revealing than the hard.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Fouls, although I do respect hersonacity and I respect the
way she's here. I mean, she's clearly a class act,
which is, you know, difficult when you literally have sharp
elbows and you know, coming into your direction literally and figuratively.
So Will Kine always a pleasure to talk to you.
Anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I would love for you guys check out the Willkine Show.
It's we stream lives every day Lisa at Foxnews dot com,
Fox YouTube, Fox Facebook twelve o'clock Eastern, but it's always
available on podcasts too. I know you have a huge
podcast audience, and I would love them to subscribe to
our show as well well at Spotify or Apple. We'll
try to have a good time over there and maybe
get informed as well. But I really appreciate it on
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your show Lisa, why.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I always love seeing you on you know one when
you're on Fox and Friends, but when you get a
guest host, I think you ask really really smart questions
and always make really smart points. So everybody co check
out the Will Kine Show and also check out Will
on the weekends on Fox and Friends.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Will really appreciate you. Making the time means a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Thanks a lot, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
That was Willkine, co host of Fox and Friends weekend
of the host of The Will kin Show. You can
find it wherever you get your podcasts. A great guy,
always an interesting guy. I always makes smart points. Appreciate
him for taking the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week. Also want to
thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.
So we all saw that video at the Los Angeles
fundraiser recently where Barack Obama had to escort Joe Biden
off the stage. Now, instead of just emitting the truth
that you know, Joe Biden is incognitive decline, something that
we all see as Americans when we watch him doddering
around on stages, or we watch him give press conferences
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seemingly getting lost mid sentence, that vacant stare that he
gives us as if a you know, computer is quite
literally shutting off.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Instead of telling.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Us the truth, the White House and the media, they're
trying to gaslight us, I mean cream. Jean Pierre, a
White House press secretary, gave a press conference telling us
that these videos that we're saying are deceptively edited, despite
the fact that there's hundreds just like them. The media
is telling us that these are called cheap fakes, trying
to also lie to us and tell us that they're
deceptively edited. One, what does that tell us about the media?
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And also is this going to work? Is this strategy
going to work with the American people? We're going to
dig into that and all things. Meet with Will Caine
from Fox News, you know him, he's a co host
of Fox and Friends Weekend. He's also the host of
the Will kin Show podcast. It's great, he's out every day.
You can check it out wherever you get podcasts, you
can find it. But we're going to get his broader
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assessment on the media, is a strategy going to work?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And then also dig into a little bit about the debate.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
What should you expect our Republicans are you know, are
we setting the bar too low?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Also, we're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Get Will's take on the presidential election, where things stand
now and you know where's this all heading. Stay tuned
for a great and interesting conversation with my colleague and
friend Will Caine. Well, Will Kane, it's great to have
you on the show. I appreciate you making the time,
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my friend.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Hey, Lisa, I'm super happy to be on your show.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So, you know what I wanted to get your take on.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I was thinking about this today and I was on
Fox earlier and we were talking about it, like this
really grinds my gears. Well, they're like a lot of
things right now, to which I'm sure you feel the
same way. All Right, So Joe Biden's eighty one, he's
clearly in cognitive decline. But he would be a terrible
president even if you were thirty five years old. I mean,
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is his age kind of being used as a cover
to some extent.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I don't know that it's being used as a cover,
and I don't think it is a B storyline. I
think it is topic A. I think this is a
massively important issue, Lisa. I mean, if the President of
the United States is of not sound mind or sound body,
he's not of his full mental capacity. That is a
problem for the United States of America. And it is
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the lowest threshold that should be expected to be cleared.
It should be you know, competent. You know, that's a
little bit important to the qualifications of the leader of
the free world. And he's going to be He's eighty
one years old. He's signing up to do another four years.
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He's in rapid decline. Anyone who's ever had a pet
has told you that the rate of decline, or for
that matter, a grandparent, is extremely fact in the last
six months of one's life. And so you have to
ask very legitimate questions, like, well, the President of the
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United States live out his second term? Can he complete
the job? If he's alive during his second term. I
think these are topic A and I think they're of
extreme important to the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But I guess what I'm trying to get to is
even before he was in mental decline. You know, former
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that Joe Biden had gotten
every foreign policy issue wrong for decades, or you look
at Obama saying that don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to
f things up, or even you know, when Obama was
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in office as a Democrat, you know, that's when Russia
decided to annex Crimea. So I guess the only point
I'm making is that like the danger sure that we
were in as a country, I don't think is specific
to his age. I think that you know, even if Obama,
you know, Russia was doing what they're doing now to
some extent under Obama's time, or the issues that Joe
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Biden is pushing right now are the same failure as
that we're seeing in states like California, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
It's like, it's not just an age thing.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
It's because Joe Biden is a terrible president, and he
would be if at eighty one or if you were
thirty five.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I agree with you eighty percent of the way. And
the statement that you said that I think I find
the most interesting is the problems that we're in is
a country aren't specific to his age, and that is
mostly true. I mean, you know, you could have an
ideological administration of extreme competence and still put your country
in extreme problems. And Joe Biden throughout his career has
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been a poor leader, a poor judge of policy, and
not very smart, and that's independent of his age. But
I still think, and I'm not saying this as I
think it's not cheap again, I think it is story
a that you have to be present to do the job.
But here's why I only agree with you eighty percent
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that the problems aren't specific to his age. If he's
not present, if he's not the one doing the job,
then we have very legitimate questions to ask about who
is leading the US.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
No, I mean, I see what you're saying. I like,
I guess my, you know, I guess too.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know, Joe Biden has you know, been a prolific
liar and just a terrible human being throughout his entirety
of his career. You know, even when he was sen
a Judiciary chairman. He's overseen to the nastiest Supreme Supreme
Court confirmation hearings with Robert Burton Claire. I just think
he's a terrible guy, a terrible president, and sometimes the
age is sort of like an excuse for how awful
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he is. Is my you know, only point with all that.
But but despite all that, we've got the media and
also the White House, I mean, Kareem Gene Pierre standing
there telling us that, you know, these video are deceptively
edited or I was saying, you know, Rolling Stone and
some of the media now were calling it cheap fakes,
these videos trying to tell us that, oh, no, you know,
it's not because he's you know, a senile, dottering old man.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
The videos are just set.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
In its insane. It's like straight out of nineteen eighty four.
And I know that we've said that on multiple occasions,
and we had that, you know, exposed beyond all doubts
and questions during COVID, But this is like one of
the most blatant examples I can think of where they're
telling you no, the light was red and we all
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know that it was green. No, you know, up is
down and down is up. They're not only trying to
tell us that Joe Biden is solid and that it's
misinformation and cheap fakes for us to pretend that he's week.
They're also trying to play offense by accusing others of
the sins which they're guilty. They're running a counter offensive
saying that Donald Trump is feeble, that Donald Trump needs help,
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ushered off of a stage, that Donald Trump is the
one losing his marbles. And I mean, it's just straight,
straight propaganda. This is straight you know, lies to our
face to create a false reality. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is it effective? I mean, how how you know how
much does propaganda work?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Well? Propaganda works, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it.
It's the most powerful tool for authoritarian governments over the
past century. But back to this question of Joe Biden's
mental capacity, you know, I think it is the most
important thing, but I also think it's the most effective
thing for the non political person. Like the point that
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you're making to me is that he'd be a bad
president even if you were of his full capacity. In correct,
I agree with you, But I think that you are
also and so am I a somewhat politically inclined person.
I think for the people that are out there just
watching and not inclined to party or to depth of
understanding on the news cycle that allow most of the
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news to wash over them, I think it's a very
important issue and a very effective issue. The President of
the United States is stumbling into senility, and I don't
think in that instance that the propaganda will work. I
just think it's too obvious. It's a bad parlor trick
on you know, the corner of forty eighth Avenue in
Times Square. It's like, I can see your hand moving,
(08:27):
I know where the ball is, I know which shell.
It's like, why do you stick around and watch that one?
This guy's not even a good slide of hands. So yeah,
I don't think this one works. I think this is
bad propaganda.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
What it's like that saying you don't don't peel my
leg and tell me it's raining, you know. I mean
we saw this during COVID too, where you know, basically
anything that you know the left and the media they
don't like, they label it as misinformation, disinformation, you know.
I mean we saw this about basically everything that was
true about COVID. You know, they lie to us and
(09:00):
told us otherwise. But yet, you know doctor Fauci, who
was the public face of our government's COVID response as
well as the one really pushing these policies and also
really censoring and shutting down any truth tellers that we're
out there.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
He's out with the book now.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I mean that, can I be like any more of
a flagrant little finger to the lives that he destroyed
during COVID.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
No, it couldn't. I'm going to tie these two things,
maybe three things together, the constant accusation of misinformation, the
story about COVID, and I want to analogize those two.
A good approaching decade of calling everything racist. So I
think that calling things racist Lisa has really lost a
(09:50):
lot of punch, a lot of weight. I mean, especially
I think with younger generations. I don't think it just
carries much anymore like it did in two thousand and sixteen, seventy,
in eighteen, it's like somebody calls something racist in everyone
else's eyes in the room roll. I think that's kind
of where we are with with COVID as well. It's like,
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here's Anthony Fauci out here, to play the role of
hero and he's gonna get he's gonna get set it
on you know, CBS by Nate Burleson and Gail King
and everybody else's eyes will roll. I think that's also
where we are on misinformation, and that's probably why it
has to go by new names on sort of a
six month rolling basis. It goes from you know, disinformation
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to misinformation, to deep fakes to cheap fakes, to try
to get some to make that drum resonate with the
audience because I think it's really we might already be there,
but it's approached the place where you call something misinformation
in everyone's eyes roll.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, I'm sure, but yeah, but I've been I mean,
I guess, I guess I always wrestle with you know,
as you mentioned before, like we're two people who, you know,
we follow the news because we like it, but also
because it's our job as well. And I'm just I
always kind of wrestle with you know, do we hold
these views or do we hold these observations of you know,
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recognizing you know, the extent of the lies that we've
been told by the government and the media because of that,
or you know, is the rest of America a wake
as well.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I struggle with that as well. Really right, And I
think there's a lot of people that I use this
analogy on the wil Kane Show a lot. I think
of the news it's sort of like a river, and
if you let the river just wash over you, all
you do is really pick up the flotsam and the
jetsum of you know, little bits of things that are
repeated at the backyard barbecue. And I think that's where
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terms like racist or misinformation gather weight. But if you
stick your rudder into the river at all and start
guiding the direction of your own ship and understanding the
deeper currents, wow, you're like, this is this is stupid,
this is silly, this is this is what they this
is the guy they canceled for me too. And I
(12:03):
just used that one example because I think about some
of my friends and I do struggle with what you're
talking about, because, hey, I don't want to be an
overly political person. I don't want to see everything through
a partisan lens, Lisa, but I definitely want to stick
my rudder into the river and understand the issues. And
I just hear more than one of my friends like
(12:23):
just just kind of reject the flotsam that washed over
them in the river. Like I was in a was
having lunch last week in New York when I'm in
New York on the weekends, and one of my friends
was like, we should really revisit all of the people
that were canceled during ME Too. And of course that's
not a rejection of the existence of sexual harassment or
any righteous examples within ME Too, but we can also
(12:46):
acknowledge it was like it was the Salem witch trial,
like he got out of hand and all kinds of
people lost their jobs and we just move on, and
why don't we stick our rudder in deeper and kind
of look into some of those stories, like, hey, does
this guy deserve to be canceled forever? And I think
the same thing applies to like, you know this stuff
(13:06):
about is Trump losing his marbles and you know, did
he need help off the stage. I think more and
more people understand I kind of have to stick my
rudder into the water, otherwise I'm just going to be
blown into into just a dam of bullshit on the
side of the river.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
We've got more with will Kine, but first, since the
terror attacks on October seventh. Anti Semitism has been on
the rise, not just in Israel but here at home,
in the US and around the world. That's why I've
partnered with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and
today I'm coming to you, my audience, to ask that
you stand with us and IFJ to raise your voice,
just as Oscar Schindler and Corey ten Boom did. This
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pledge is asking Christians to stand with their Jewish brothers
and sisters, to never be silent, to show the Jewish
people that they are not alone. They have God and
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to take a stand today, you know, and I try
to sort of, you know, use this as well as
we head into the twenty twenty four election of you know,
(14:26):
just trying to figure out where the you know, public
sentiment truly lies, right because you know, I'm more partisan
than you in the sense of, you know, I come
from Republican politics, so you know, I wear that on
my sleeve. You're you're you're more you know, unbiased, kind
of in the middle of type deal. But I'm certainly
you know, so I'm just always trying to figure out,
you know, especially heading into this after the midterms and
(14:48):
you know, thinking that a red wave was coming and
it was you know, basically you know, a ripple, and
trying to assess where the American people are in this
presidential election. I mean, look, Donald Trump's pulling better than
he did twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. You go to the
real clear Politics up polling right now in all seven
battleground states in a head to ad contest, he is up.
You know, so, look, things look good. What's sort of
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your assessment on where this race stands today?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well, first, I don't know that I consider myself someone
in the middle, But I also don't consider myself someone
anywhere on the political spectrum because I reject the political spectrum,
and that forces me to reject those political parties like
I am going to more often than not vote Republican
by a process of correlation and default. Like if I
if I think about each individual issue and where I
(15:37):
am on it, and I do I am somewhat ideological.
But what I'm getting at, Lisa is I think the
older that I've gotten at, I think two things have
happened for me. Number One, I'd like to think I
hope I've gained some humility, And I also hope I'd
like to think that's part of wisdom, that humility comes
from understanding in the past where I might have been wrong,
(15:59):
you know, and changing some positions.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
In the past, I would have been much more willing
to say, you know, I'm on the right, or I'm
a libertarian, or I'm a conservative, and I would have
had really strong ideological backing for every single position or
label that was ready to be, you know, hoisted upon me.
But I do think over the past five to ten years,
and I think the emergence of Donald Trump has made
(16:26):
me reconsider the value of a strict ideology, you know,
And so I just want to be a little more
practical and understand human nature and where leaders fit into
human nature. So the all I'm getting at there is
why I struggle sometimes just like use shorthand for my
own belief, you know what I mean. But I don't
think that puts me in the middle, like I don't.
(16:47):
I don't ever consider myself like between left and right,
or and I try to be honest about my biases,
like I don't ever pretend to be unbiased. I just
want to let people know what my biases are. All
I'm getting at is I think in a wider spectrum
there might be a lot of people that agree with me,
because I don't think that modern American politics is like
a straight line spectrum between right and left, Republican and Democrat.
(17:10):
It just can't be anymore. So like how explain to
me free speech? Explain to me vaccine mandates. Explain to
me a whole host of issue that that fit into
the right left spectrum. They just don't anymore. Like, you know,
there was a time when the left was supposed to
be the champion of free speech and the right was
worried about offensive speech. That's totally obviously been flipped on
(17:32):
its head. You know, there was a time when the left,
like I believe in medical freedom, and then and then
the left believes in absolute mandates. So I just all
I'm getting at is I don't I don't know how
to describe my own politics. Yeah, pretty conservative. I used
to be more libertarian, but I don't know that That'll
(17:57):
leads to the question you asked me, like, where do
we stand? Where does the election stand? Man? I was
blown away by the midterm elections too so. And by the.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Way, in twenty twenty, yeah, I went to Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Went to a Trump rally in twenty twenty. It was
the first time I've been to a Trump rally, and
I was like, wow, I don't know how he loses.
And then twenty twenty happened. And then I look at
TV now and I see like throngs of crowds in
Newport Beach, California, and I'm like, wow, I don't know
how he loses, but I do have a little more humility.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, you know, I'm glad you have, you know, humility.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I mean, I think we all you know, I admitted
when you know I got the midterms wrong. You know,
unfortunately we have government leaders like Fauci, who you know,
refused to do that when they were so definitive in
the policies they were pushing that destroyed the nation.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But I like what you said about sort of, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
The changing political landscape, because when you were talking about that,
I was thinking to myself, I wonder how much of
that is due to Donald Trump, right, because he came
into the system in twenty sixteen, is just this outsider
and sort.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Of disrupted traditional conservative.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Ideology, you know, and and you saw sort of that
comment when he picks someone like Mike Pence sort of
a traditional conservative as is BP, but he was really
a disruptor when it came to you know, issues like
trade and you know, immigration and a variety of other issues.
So I guess how much of that sort of shifting
political landscape do you think is due to the disruption
of Donald Trump sort of entering the political arena.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
A ton a ton And I look at myself and
I find probably the twenty twelve version of me will
look at the twenty twenty four version of me and say, wow,
you've lost some principles. But I don't think that I
have lost some principles. I think the twenty twelve version
(19:40):
of me was too dedicated to some ideological ideas that
were divorced from reality. So to your point, Donald Trump
comes in and we have to reconsider that free trade
is the best policy in all situations if you're being
taken advantage of by the rules of your own game
by a state, theft and and teeter in China. Donald
(20:03):
Trump repositioned the Republican Party when it comes to trade
protectionism to unions in the United States of America, to
duvishness on foreign wars as opposed to a constant neo
con hawkishness. And this is what I if you think
about at leasta, okay, ideology. Political ideology is a relatively
(20:28):
recent phenomenon. It's about a century old, Okay. So I'm
reading this book right now called The Age of Revolutions,
and it's about from seventeen fifty to eighteen twenty, the
French Revolution, the American Revolution, but there are revolutions all
around the world. But this is really the formation of
the nation state beginning of history, and then political ideologies
(20:51):
follow along roughly a good one hundred years later after
the formation of the nation state. The point is what
led us before that, before were the last century practicality, leadership,
wisdom and understanding and trying to employ real, timeless principles
of prudence and justice. And I just think that when
(21:16):
I look at leadership now, and I do think Donald
Trump played a large role. And of course, anybody disagrees
with me, and anybody's gonna go, oh my god, I just
talking about the grab him by the crotch guy, and
he's the one forcing you to consider the qualities of
leadership and prudence and justice. And my answer to that
is yes, yes, because leaders are imperfect. Leaders don't shouldn't
(21:37):
fit into neat ideological boxes. We shouldn't stand on a
debate stage and go who's the most conservative, because that's
not how human nature works. That's not the nature of leadership.
You and I could pick the most conservative center in
the US right, and we could send him to the
White House, and that doesn't guarantee us anything about him
(21:59):
being a good leader and getting anything accomplished. You know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And what's interesting too, is you know, I wonder I mean, look,
I think it's I would argue the left has clearly
gone off the deep end. And you can even see
former Democrats like Julian Michael's come out recently talking about
the state of California on how the left has sort
of left her behind and she stayed the same, but
you know, the left has gone crazy, and Elon Musk saying,
you know, similar things to that. So how much of
(22:25):
that do you think is a product of Donald Trump
during this scene and sort of like forcing this you know,
political title wave and this massive, you know, tectonic shift
in politics, or do you think they were heading that
direction anyways?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I do think that Donald Trump is this is this
tectonic shift. I do. I think we're gonna write books
about Donald Trump for half a century, and hopefully they're
positive books. You know what I mean by that is
hopefully the impact on history is a is a positive one.
But I think that it's so crazy to think that,
(23:01):
you know, Barack Obama was quite possibly the most ideological
president that we have had. I'm just sitting here racking
my brain to go through history because I don't think
that Linda Baines Johnson, even with the Great Society, was
quite as ideologically as far to the left. I think
he was more of a narcissist and you know, sheer
political creature. So maybe since Franklin Donald Roosevelt, that Barack
(23:25):
Obama's probably the most ideological president in that time frame,
and then Donald Trump comes along. Despite the left framing
everything is far right, far right, and that's one of
their current catchphrases, everything is far right. He largely rejects
political ideology. He largely rejects any sense. In fact, some
of my very good friends they didn't like Donald Trump
at the beginning because they thought he wasn't a conservative.
(23:46):
Remember that conversation said that was a real y. He's
not a conservative. And the truth is, I mean, I
think he is instinctually somewhat conservative, but he kind of says,
I just want to be common sense and practical, you know.
And the point of this isn't to be to totally
isolate yourself from principles. That's not I think the lesson,
(24:08):
because principles are part of wisdom in prudence, and the
left has totally divorced itself from any type of principle,
and it considers it's it's north star largely abstract terms
like you know, equalities now, equity, justice, and those are
all things dictated by the popular opinion, the mob. And
(24:31):
so I think the point is we can't lurch in
the direction of populism defined by what is popular and
divorce yourself from principles. But I also think we need
to be careful about replacing, how about this religion with
political ideology. I think that's been a temptation on the
left and on the right, with Marxism and with maybe
(24:52):
even libertarianism, to replace the role of faith in life
with political ideology.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Now that we're talking and listening to what you have
to say, which is really interesting, getting me thinking. You know,
I do think Donald Trump is principled. I just think
his principles don't fall in like a neat political spectrum
as you were kind of laying out, even you know,
with your beliefs, which I think is kind of where
more Americans stand. You know, I'm certainly further to the right.
I am, you know, honest about that. It's you know,
(25:21):
what I've done for a living. It's just what I believe.
Uh But you know, so I think he is principal.
It's just, you know, it doesn't kind of like neatly
align with what we have sort of traditionally have looked
at as you know, Democrat or Republican beliefs, which is
you know interesting, how do you think you know, we
watched the New York trial with Donald Trump and and
(25:43):
sort of what he was put through. We're obviously awaiting
sentencing in July next month here coming up very soon. Actually, uh,
how do you think this trial plays out politically? And
sort of what are you expecting from the sentencing.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's the hardest one. Back to our analogy about the
river and whether or not it washes over people or
they dig their rudder in. I think this is one
where I have a little less faith than people willing
to dig in. I think the left made a calculated
gamble to come away from this trial with a bumper
(26:19):
sticker slogan of convicted felon and they got it. They
got that, and I do think that will affect a
lot of people. I did see a poll this week,
Lisa that showed independence recently had swung towards Joe Biden.
There's so many different poles out and you can parse
them so many different ways. But that was a little
concerning to me when I saw that, because elections do
(26:39):
come down too independence in a couple of different states.
And if they sentenced Donald Trump to something, I think
if they sentenced into something visual like, surely they would
never put him in jail, you know, But if they did,
I think it would swing back the other way. I
think that would be too much. I think it would be
(27:00):
too obvious. I think they got their bumper sticker slogan
and they should probably go to battle with it, and
they will. That's what you will hear next week at
the presidential debate. By the way, Lisa, on that front,
I had on the Will Kine Show this week Senator
Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. I find Senator Mullen pretty
interesting guy, pretty handed, kind of a cowboy, a wrestlerris
(27:23):
from eastern Oklahoma. And I asked him, do you think
Joe Biden will be the nominee? And I kind of
thought he'd say one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So I was gonna ask you that, but keep going.
It's interesting listening.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, I thought he'd say one hundred percent because at
this point you would think stability would be your your
best course. Well, I think his name is doctor Alan Lickman,
who's got every presidential election rights since nineteen eighty four.
He predicts it will be Joe Biden, and Joe Biden
will win. And the reason that he predicts Joe Biden
will win is because of stability. Unless something happens, it's
(27:56):
a huge advantage for the incumbent. That's something could be war,
it could be a terror rist attack, it could be
a stock market crash and an economic recession. But without
that stability advantages Joe Biden. So his point of view
is like, then therefore you would never replace Joe Biden. Well,
here's what Mullen said, fifty to fifty, they replaced Joe Biden.
I thought, wow, fifty to fifty, and he said, well,
(28:20):
let's just walk through this together, will He goes, First
of all, when the classified Dodgument's investigation was put together
and all the different leads from law enforcement and then
subsequently the DOJ, the special prosecutor that Joe Biden's mental
competency was a question, right, And we now know the
Biden administration has tried to classify Robert Hur's deposition where
(28:42):
Joe Biden was slipping up and couldn't remember the date
of the year of Hunters of bo Biden's death, couldn't
remember the years he was vice president. But Mullen said,
for that to even come out is pretty shocking. It
doesn't need to come out in that investigation it's not
germane to come out. So he thought that's eye opening,
that's eyebrow raising for that to even come out. Second,
(29:05):
he says, what's the last time you saw a presidential
debate before either party's convention for the president, And he's right.
I think it's like they're always in the fall, you know,
three debates in the fall from like September through October,
and we're having one in June. Was good debate. Next
week we don't even had the Democrat or the Republican convention.
(29:27):
And his theory is we're going to see how he
does next week, and if he lays an egg. If
Joe Biden lays an egg, you put into place the
groundwork that you sow the field to begin to take
this to the delegates in the convention and replace Joe
Biden got.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
A quick commercial break more with Wilcine. So I worry
with the debate that Republicans are setting the bar too
low for Joe Biden. And so basically all he has
to do is not drilling himself to seed that bar.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You know, because you look at the fact that there's
no live audience, which helps Joe Biden. You know, I
wouldn't say it hurts Donald Trump, but you know, he
feeds off of a crowd in a way that Joe
Biden does not. You've got two liberal anchors with Jake
Tapper and Dana Bash, and then they can also mute
the mics as well, and so you know, clearly the
questions are probably going to be more liberal and you know,
(30:24):
more anti Trump, and then they have the ability to
cut the mics when needed and when wanted. So I mean,
is it a mistake then to sort of set the
bar too low? And do you agree with that assessment
that the bar has been set too low?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Well, I don't know what we I mean, how do
you set the bar? Like, how are republic quote unquote
Republicans are anybody if that matter, setting the bar by
showing videos of Joe Biden being led around by Georgia
Maloney or Barack Obama or stumbling through the teleprompter. I mean,
that just is what it is, Like, It's not a
political play, It's just it is what it is. That's
who the president of the United States. That's his condition.
(31:02):
So I don't know what we could have done about that,
but yeah, I do think it's possible he exceeds it.
I mean, he kind of did at State of the Union.
He did a State of the Union. You know, he
did last last four years ago in the debates. He
did then as well. So he can get up how
or why. I think it is a very legitimate conversation,
but he can get up for it. And then if
(31:25):
that's the case, yeah, maybe the then it's uh, this
isn't the This isn't the set the stage for him
to be replaced. By the way Mullen gave a name,
he's thinks he thinks that you know, Gavin Newsom and
Kamala Harris, He's like, they're not gonna pull any better
than Joe Biden. And then and the name that he
(31:47):
gave me was one I had not heard before, he
said House Minority Leader Hakim Jefferies.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Interesting. See, I've been trying to make the case when
I'm on TV.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You know, one, it's not just the ageing he'd be
a terrible president regardless of his age. And then secondly,
it's also just the failure of Democrat policy, as I mean,
you look at California, you know, some of the highest taxes,
yet you know they have a multi billion dollar budget deficit,
or the fact that they have the highest unemployment in
the nation, or you know, they spend so much on homelessness,
yet they have one of the worst homeless parts.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's like it's like the policies at large that Democrats
push are what is failing the nation. It's not just
you know, Joe Biden Earth's age, but uh, you know,
but you know, but I want him to be the nominee, right,
so let's hope that it's you know, Trump wins, but
Joe Biden doesn't fall in his face and doesn't roll
because I don't want him to be swapped out personally.
(32:40):
So I wanted to switch gears slightly into the world
of sports.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Briefly.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I did tweet that I wish we could go back
to not talking about the w NBA, but it is
permanent to a degree, so I kind of because it
just seems so spoil I mean, I guess, you know,
I don't know if I'm viewing it from a different lens,
just because I've never really liked a WNBA. But why
do you think Caitlin Clark is on the receiving end
of so much hatred it seems, or is.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
She jealousy, pettiness, racism, a combination of all of those things.
Kaitlin Clark is literally saving the WNBA. The WNBA is
not popular. Virtually no one watches it, Virtually no one
goes to the games. It's subsidized by the NBA. It's
an annual money loser. And here comes somebody that brings
(33:30):
with them literally millions of viewers, got to expand stadium
capacity for new butts and seats. All of a sudden,
her debut, three million people watch when she's on TV
versus when she's not on TV. The difference is in
the hundreds of thousands. And she promises to make this
league something that's actually profitable, which would bleed off on
(33:52):
anybody that works for that league, including the other players.
But there's so much pettiness, jealousy and racism that they can't.
They have to look the gift horse in the mouth,
and even if they see, you know, no soldiers inside
the trojan horse, they they will reject the gift. They're
(34:16):
rejecting the gift. Now here's the funny thing. It may
be something that showers gifts upon them anyway. So they
don't want the face of their league to be this
little straight white girl who played at Iowa. That's the truth,
that's the bottom line. They don't they begrudge her the
attention that she's getting. And you know, to some extent,
(34:38):
there's some human nature, like the worst of human nature,
that makes it all understandable for all of us. We've
been toiling in this league for a decade. I've been
doing this and I'm really good, and now all of
a sudden, she comes in. She gets all this attention. Yes,
and she brings all of these riches with her as
well to you. And here's how it may play out
for them anyway, Lisa. It's turning into like wwe they're
all the heel and she's the baby. Like people are
(35:01):
going to watch to see her be the hero and
them be the villain, and they're willingly leaning into these roles.
But just know who you are. You're the villain. But
it's almost like there's nothing you can do to keep
Caitlin Clark from grabbing people's attention, attention which did not
exist before for the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well, and I ask you this because you're, you know,
a sports guy with your history at ESPN, and you
know there's been a lot of videos of her kind
of getting ruffed up. So I'm not the biggest I
grew up watching hockey games and like going to like,
you know, football games and whatnot. But I'm not the
biggest basketball person. How normal is that for a rookie
(35:38):
to get ruffed up like that? Or is this sort
of on another level?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I think it's on another level. Some of it's normal,
I mean, if we're being fair, and some of it
would be normal for somebody that's getting this much attention.
It's like, let's put her back in her place and
show her she's still a rookie, right, But I think
it's definitely another level. And then I think even more
so than the physical play, I think it's the way
they talk about her. You know, even when she was
still at Iowa, there was people like Cheryl Swoops who
(36:06):
rejected her greatness. And I don't know if Cherrel Seuss
was intentionally lying or just ignorant about a lot of
little stuff like how many years Kaitlyn Clark could play
to Iowa, how many points she had scored, whether or
not she'd haud of COVID year. All these different things
kind of undercut what she'd accomplished. And the previous scoring
leader said, I'll still be the scoring leader, meaning in
(36:28):
the record books, why why do you? Why do you
deny what Caitlyn accomplished? And then she arrives in the
NBA WNBA and you get sort of the same kind
of talk, just kind of dismissing her. I think that's
more revealing than the hard.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Fouls, although I do respect hersonacity and I respect the
way she's here. I mean, she's clearly a class act,
which is, you know, difficult when you literally have sharp
elbows and you know, coming into your direction literally and figuratively.
So Will Kine always a pleasure to talk to you.
Anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I would love for you guys check out the Willkine Show.
It's we stream lives every day Lisa at Foxnews dot com,
Fox YouTube, Fox Facebook twelve o'clock Eastern, but it's always
available on podcasts too. I know you have a huge
podcast audience, and I would love them to subscribe to
our show as well well at Spotify or Apple. We'll
try to have a good time over there and maybe
get informed as well. But I really appreciate it on
(37:26):
your show Lisa, why.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I always love seeing you on you know one when
you're on Fox and Friends, but when you get a
guest host, I think you ask really really smart questions
and always make really smart points. So everybody co check
out the Will Kine Show and also check out Will
on the weekends on Fox and Friends.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Will really appreciate you. Making the time means a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Thanks a lot, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
That was Willkine, co host of Fox and Friends weekend
of the host of The Will kin Show. You can
find it wherever you get your podcasts. A great guy,
always an interesting guy. I always makes smart points. Appreciate
him for taking the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week. Also want to
thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.
Host
Lisa Boothe
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