December 6, 2023 • 31 mins
Often hailed as the Queen of Percussion, Sheila E. is a globally acclaimed drummer and percussionist, a multi-Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter, winner of the Latin Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award, a celebrated author, and a dedicated humanitarian and educator. Throughout her illustrious career which spans over 45 years, Sheila E. has collaborated, recorded and performed with numerous legendary artists, notably establishing a longstanding musical partnership with Prince. Recently awarded a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, Sheila opens up about her favorite hobbies and interests whenever she's not onstage or in a recording studio.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, I'm say to Garrett and Uppity Knitter and host
of the Uppity Knitter podcast. Celebrity Hobbies Uncovered, a show
about your favorite celebrities and their unusual hobbies. Welcome. My
guest today is a legendary drummer, percussionist, singer, songwriter, recording artist,
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music director Arthur, philanthropist Darling, and podcaster who's work with
or recorded on albums by music giants like Michael Jackson,
Marvin Gay, Lionel Richie, Diana Ross, Phil Collins, Herbie Hancock,
ringo star Beyonce, Cindi Lauper, Gloria Esavon, and a little
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giant known as Prince affectionately regarded as the Queen of Percussion.
Now with a Latin Grammy for a Lifetime You Heard Me,
a Lifetime Achievement Award, a star on the Hollywood Walk
of Fame, and co host and music director for the
new hit game show which I've seen Lataia Loka, the
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remarkable Miss Sheila E. Thank you, Sheila, my sister, Thanks
so much for accepting my invitation to help me kick
off my new side hustle in podcasting. I'm truly honored
to have you as my guest today as extensive as
your credits are in music and film today, we're here
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to talk about your hobbies when you're not on stage,
when you're not on set, or when you're not in
the recording studio. So Sheila, tell us how you spend
your time during off hours, Like what are some of
your hobbies or your interests outside of your vast music career.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Ooh, loaded question.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Uh oh no, uh.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Because I grew up in a crazy family of my
grandparents being from Nowlans, they started these poker leagues at
their home when I was young. So you would have
to pay the house to come into their house and
they would give you a meal. You could spend the
night downstairs and you would play poker. So off time,
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I mean, we have some games happening at my house
sometimes for real money.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Are you dangerous poker player? Like you got the serious
poker face?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh yeah, And I talk a lot of smack. Whatever
I do, I talk smack? Oh yeah, yeah, you have
to talk smack. And I get that from mom. So
moms will be playing. Pops doesn't play that much anymore.
And then I like sports. I grew up playing sports.
I love going to the games the Warrior games, you know, basketball, football.
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I love football, and forty nine Ers is my team.
Of course, Raiders once in a while they're gonna win.
They're gonna hate me for even saying that. But yeah,
but all sports. I love sports, and then I play
a lot of sports. Ping pong, pool, I like going.
I like being outside going, you know, riding my bike whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh wow, you were just majorly active. I had no idea.
I love that. Usually artists like us, and especially a
musician like you, you're more of a studio rat. You
just hang out in the studio. You don't really have
a lot of outside interests, but yours are like too
many to mention. Can we talk about the poker playing?
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Is that your favorite? Or is it? Is it ping pong?
These days?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's whatever whatever I'm in the mood. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Do you prefer to listen to music when you're engaged
in playing your hobby? Are you serious about whatever it is?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, music too?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh yeah no. When we're poker's being done, well, even
ping poker, I put on vinyl. I don't listen to
like streaming. I bring out my records from the record stole.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Do you play DJ while you're playing poker, or you
have a dj somebody that got it?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, I gotta play dj oh between hands? Yes, okay,
well no, I have more hands. And then you take
it hold on, and then we got to go to
the bar. Let's have a drink, hold on, you know,
and then you give them a little tipsy and you
might win a little money.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Money. That's how you do it. When you were younger
and you saw and heard your mother talking smack, did
you know that she was faking her hand or trying
to get her opponent off kilter so she can fake
it whatever she might pretend she has two aces when
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there's you know, a two and a three.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, no, moms, it's still crazy. Like you can't tell
whether she's bluffing or not. That's what huffy bluffing. She
is serious about her playing like she'lls she's consistent about
you can't tell whether or not she's bluffing. She and
she she don't mess around. Did you get that from her, Yes,
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ma'am of it. I get it from my mama.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Hey, do you play poker in Vegas?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Is that? Like? Why do? No?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I mean I like gambling once in a while, I
used to gamble a lot because I'd win all the time.
I didn't lose many times I won a lot. Yeah,
but it's so different now because there's so many decks.
So it's confusing. Not that I was counting cards or anything,
it's just your odds. It just seems to be harder
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to win hand not knowing that there's six decks in
the hand, or when you're playing poker, if you're going
to the high limits. As a matter of fact, let
me tell you this quick story about gambling. So we
did this event and Michael Jordan was there. He won
with playing the golf tournament tournament and he ended up winning,
and we performed, and so every all, you know, you
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have all these celebrities, everyone hanging out, and he heard
that I played. So he was at the high stakes
table and we were still backstage and the guy comes
running in and he said, miss Michael Jordan, mister George
is looking for you. He needs you to come to
the high stakes table. I was like, ooh, high stakes,
Oh my god, Oh my god. So I go walk
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over there all the way to the other side and
there's people, you know, security, You can't even walk in there.
The guy's walking me through excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.
And then Michael's like okay. I said, okay, what you
doing and it was like, you know, no limits. So
I saw him. He was betting like twenty five thousand
two hire per hand, one hundred thousand dollars a hand.
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So he said all right, And so they're the dealers
shuffling the cars. He says, cut the cars. I said, okay, cool,
I cut the cards then or not? And then he
put it just a stack. I don't even know how
much money he put up there, and the dealer blah
blah blah blah, and the dealer pulled over the card
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and the dealer had blackjack and everyone lost their.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh my god, see that's too much. I hate to lose.
That's too much for me. That wasn't even my money
though that he's just hearing the story. It just makes
me sad.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
My god. I said, okay, I'll see you later.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Bye bye. I love it. Have you ever incorporated poker
other than going to that game, into your professional life
or is it just you happen to be at an
event where they're playing poker and you happen to be playing,
and so you saunter.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
On over well for Moms' last birthday party here at
the house. I actually got professional dealers and tables in
the backyard for everybody to play for real. Yeah, that
you are.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Serious about this. I read somewhere that you and Prince
were seriously competitive with each other and that included making
bets for money. Did you play poker or ping pong
with Prince and who usually came out on top?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Okay? Is this after dark? Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
No, So say what you got to say?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, we played ping pong and pool. He didn't, he didn't.
He didn't play cards much at all. No, it was
ping pong most ping pong, mostly ping pong and pool.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And was he good at ping pong?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
He's good at both. He's good at both. And there
were many times I did win. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Nice. There you go, There you go. Yes, as your
experience as a musician, especially as a female musician in
a male dominated field, has that contributed to your overall
mindset when engaging in competitions like ping pong and pool?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
No, it was really my competitiveness came again from moms.
Moms being an athlete and growing up with a lot
of brothers and sisters, especially her sisters. They ended up
starting their own baseball league for girls and stuff like
that because they wanted to play, and so they were
always competing against their brothers and some of my uncles
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at the time, some of them were going to go
pro bowling, basketball and football.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So yeah, so I got the competitiveness from moms. And
the other part about it is being in sports. When
I was younger, running track and field was the thing
that I loved doing the most. So competing in track
and field and always trying to win, it was always
just you know, I even went against some of the guys,
even though that wasn't a thing, but you know, we
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would end up like, let's just race against the guide
as well. After school we would do four forty relay whatever.
But I was a sprint runner and I just love competing.
And I played soccer for a undefeated women's team for
five years. So that was word. That was before really
being serious about drumming at all.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh my god, See, look how many lives have you lived,
my dear?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'm not done.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
What you mean, well, you're still living. I'm saying, how
many of you lived already? I'm scary you right now?
Do you prefer singles, doubles or matches when you're playing
ping pong, and how does that dynamic compare to your
experience in your poker games?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Uh? Single matches with ping pong, I like better, doubles
are fun once in a while, but single Uh, and
then with poker, the more the better. Really, Yeah, doesn't
it take.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
A long time for you to come back around to
your turn?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Or is it you're taking not when you're taking people's money?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
No, real quick, are there any ping punk players or
professional poker players that you admire or draw inspiration from? Like?
Do you know them? You know who they are?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, I've never not professionally, I've never like I've always
wanted to to play one of those poker tournaments. I
watched them sometimes late at night, and I'm like, there's
just no way. I don't think I can do that. Like,
and I'm always like, yeah, but I don't know, I
don't think because I'm watching them and we get to
see their cards, So you're going, why would they don't fold?
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Why would they fold on that one? Or why would
he keep betting on this one? He doesn't even have anything,
you know, So if you just yeah, yeah, no, I
think I get I learned a lot from my family,
from our brothers, my mom, my uncles and all. They
taught me a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Do you use it against them when you're playing with them?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Absolutely, but you got But you got to flip it
a little bit because they don't know they really know,
got it exactly, Gotta flip it?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Got it. How does your passion for poker influence your
social life is does one? Do they crossover ever? Other
than family? Have you found a community of like mind,
like minded enthusiasts of poker.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, kind of. There's a couple of guys that we,
you know, I hang out with that we go play
that we have a great time. So yeah, I mean
not everyone wants to go and gamble and it's not
like it's gambling. I just enjoy it because it's fun
and you put a limit on things and making sure
that you know, you don't get crazy. Because some of
my friends, who are really well known in the industry,
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I can't believe the money that they're betting, and I'm like,
I just can't do that. I can't do that. There's
just no way.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, that's that Michael Jordan money right there. Yeah, what's
the most money you've ever won in a single game?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh, in a single game?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, in a game of poker, or at a session
and a poker Now, let me.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Think, let me think. I don't even known.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I bet you know how much you've lost in a
single a single No?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
What, No, because it's I've not lost that much. I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I would say, you know, I need to go with
you to Vegas.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But the thing is is, it's it's so different now,
That's what I'm saying. I don't. I don't win as
big as I used to when I used to play
a while ago, because the terms are different, it's all different.
I don't. I couldn't answer that question. I mean, thousands
and thousands and thousands, but you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Okay and lost far less? Well, you're lucky, like.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, far less that you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Are too much and I'm not. I interviewed Terrence Blanchard
a week or so ago, and I was really surprised
to learn that his favorite hobby is boxing. Then then
I happened to come across a YouTube clip of you
hitting a boxing bag. Are you into boxing as well?
Was or was that merely for exercise? No?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Just exercise no, no. I I started, you know, trying
to work out because when I don't perform, and I
should do both, but when I'm not performing as much,
and during the pandemic, it's like I got to keep moving.
I got to keep working and doing something because I
was feeling really messed up, and so I just started.
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You know, I heard that boxing is fun and that
you know, you can get a lot done. You know,
you're moving all your muscles and things like that. So
I was like, I'm gonna get me a bag. So
I went down the street and got me a bag.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And you already had gloves, of course you have.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, I got the gloves.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Gloves.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I tried kickboxing once. It was the most exhausting thing
I'd ever done.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I had hard.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It is really really difficult because, uh, you're you know,
legs are heavy. You don't realize until you kick them
up times. Legs are heavy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But the strength that you endured and your cord to
be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
True, My god, you're so right.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So that's that I wouldn't. I don't know if I
could do that. Yeah, you should try it.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
If you haven't tried it, you should try it. You're
into boxing, so you might like it. I don't know.
It's it's it takes some consideration for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, it wore me out. I only had one lesson.
I said this is enough.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh God got it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Ye I'm more than yoga type. So I also, miss E,
was surprised to learn that you have an art collection
and your pieces are exceptional. Like you, thank you, please
share with us about your interest in the art.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Uh. So this photographer came to me and with this
idea about shooting me with his camera in opening the aperture,
the sort the lens opens up as motion as I'm
performing your scene in real time, stuff happening. So when
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I'm playing drums, I actually started playing, and I sometimes
would spell my name or put a letter or try
to do a music out while I'm playing. Yeah, and
what you see is with these pieces there and you
can go on my website to check it out. But
what website dot com. There you go and you can
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check them out. But it's pretty amazing what we were
able to do and capture, uh in real time, and
we didn't add any color, we didn't repaint, and it's
exactly what you see is what happened in real time beautiful.
I mean, he did an incredible job the way the
lighting and then I used some sticks that had lights
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on them and stuff like that, and so it was
really cool. They're really great pieces and people love them
and I signed every single one.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That sounds amazing. I definitely will be checking that out.
Do you collect art from other artists? Do you have
any favorites or would you consider art collecting? Yes, another
one of your hobbies.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, it's very I mean I love art and I
do have some pieces I have and I forgive me
because I now I forgot his name, but it's a
young African artist from Africa that I just bought one
of his pieces while my niece was there. And I
bought this amazing piece that's in my house as soon
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as you hit the front door, a beautiful charcoal piece
that he did. Incredible young artists from Africa. He was
in Africa when he painted it. But I love art,
and our family grew up in art because almost every
single one of us can paint, draw sketch craft. So
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my dad Popsy, he's an artist. My brother Peter Michael
is an artist, like literally like paintings and paintings and
paintings and sketches, and I have things of my dad
that he that he sketched up to Vietnamese kids injured
in nineteen sixty eight. Like, I have stuff, so it's
hard for me to not injured. How injured like it
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was like in his mind he saw this young girl
and her arm was broken, wrapped like they looked like
they were just coming out of the war or something.
And it's hanging in my office. Yeah, so it's where
we all grew up in the art and everyone in
my family can draw and paint.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, I'm so jealous of your child.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well look at you, no, but look at You're so
creative in what you do in your crocheane like and
your all your clothes and your purse is like, I
have your stuff. It's amazing. I don't even know how.
You see, my mind doesn't work like that. Well, my
body doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
So we're even I think we're here with my girl, Sheila.
We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Welcome back to the Upp and n Inner Podcast. We're
here with my girl, miss Sheila E. I also heard
that you collect another item shoes or was that a joke.
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Are you a shoe collector? Is that what you call that?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
A hobby? Uh? They would probably say shoe hole, but
I'll take that. Yeah, it's uh, it's hard. Yeah, I've
actually so here's the thing. I've had so many shoes
that I've I've sold them and given the money to
you know, my foundation, and and just keep getting you know,
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you get so many and then there's no more room.
Why build a bigger closet, Just get rid of them.
There's stuff that I've worn for videos and different things,
and a lot of those I've even given away. I don't.
I know, you're supposed to save a lot of that stuff,
but it's to the point where it's just too much.
So and now since the pandemic, you know, everyone stopped
wearing heels. That was hard to go back to wearing
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heels because we were used to being at home and
wearing tennis shoes. And then I have years yeah I know.
So then I slipped on my dog's gigantic bone that
she had and twisting my ankle on my knee. So
that's been an up and down going thing. So now
it's been hard for me to get back in heels
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and I've warned them a few times recently, and it's
just like, oh, I hate it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now you can no longer play. And because I knew
you were having some issues playing in high heels for
so many years.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well that's playing drums. That's not good to play heel,
playing drums and heels, but standing up playing to Bolly's
and congress. I still play in heels, but drums is
another thing. That's another thing, right, yeah, I can't do
that anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, some things, you know, you grow and let go,
you know, like like some of your shoes. Hey, do
you remember we were at we were at someone's house
at a party, and you have these beautiful boots on
and I commented on the boots and you were like, girl,
these boots is killing me right now. I said, I
have just the thing, and I went to my car.
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I went to my car and I got this shoe
stretched for ye.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yes, oh my god, that's right. Where was that all?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was a party of a mutual friend of our
Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So I wanted to know, do you still use that product?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, because I've never I haven't needed it anymore. Okay,
that's because you're not wearing wearing heels anymore, not like that.
And if I do, I get they have size.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Bigger smart. One of the reasons I developed this little
podcast was to encourage my listeners to think outside the
box like you do, and to use their imagination and
to not be afraid to explore new things in their lives.
Do you have any words of encouragement for those of
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us who need it and for those who may be
listening and feeling a little bit stuck in a rut
in their lives or careers.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well, I mean, as we know, if you haven't already understood, like,
life is so precious, no matter how young you are
or old you are. In the times that we've gone
through in these last couple of years, we've lost so
many people, you know, and it's just been crazy, and
it's like every day is not promise, Every minute, every
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hour is not promise. And so if you don't live
your fullest life now. People always say I'm going to
wait till I a certain age or when I get older,
I'm going to be great. No, be great now. You know,
do things now, and you are great now. Don't try
to be just be great. But the biggest thing that
a lot of the people have now is not loving themselves,
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you know, loving yourself first. So that if you don't
love yourself, how are we going to love you? You
have to love yourself first and be okay with And
God has created every single one of us so differently
for a specific reason. And the thing is, it's like
people need to.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Know that.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
If you don't try to move forward in your life,
you're failing. The way to fail successfully is to fail forward.
So if you fail forward, meaning you're going to fail
as you're moving along, but you're failing if you don't
do anything, failing forward is moving along. I might have failed,
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but it's actually brought me to another place. Failing forward,
you fail to be successful. Failure is not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Failure it's a learning experience.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It's a learning experience. It's growth, It really growth. Yeah,
So I just encourage people to just really, you know,
go out and communicate with people, not be stuck. You know,
like this every day.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Oh man, that kills many likes. I know, right, I
know right. I see people out having dinner with each
other and nobody's saying a word. Everybody's like cad down
on their phone. Yeah, so that part it makes me sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
So how's the show doing? Are you loving it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I got so much fun.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
We shot twelve episodes and we we just had a
blast doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
We had a lot of fun having a Yeah, that
is a fun show. Do you know if it's going
to get picked up for another season?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I don't know. I think it's moving to They haven't
officially said yet. I think it's moving to either one
of those Yeah, one of those that it's it's now.
They moved it off because we were up against midnight
on Monday night football, so they moved it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Good so somebody so they moved it. Yeah, Sheila, we
like to end this show with our segment called Netta.
What is when I asked my guests about something or
someone who said or did something that came as a
huge shock or surprise. Does anything come to mind for you? Sheila? Uhh,
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why you think about that?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh? No, wait, I got you know what. No, I'm
thinking about it just because you're here. Otherwise I wouldn't
have thought of this. This is so crazy. Okay, So
because you work with Michael, of course everyone knows Michael Jackson.
If you don't know. All right, So because you work
with Michael, it's something that was done. Oh my god,
I can't okay. So Michael calls me up. This was
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after Off the Wall was done, his first record. He
calls me and he says, meet me. I'm in the
Bay Area. I was living in the Bay Area. Then
meet me in the Bay Area at Leopold's Records, and
I'm gonna go there and sign records. So I want
you to be with me while I'm there. And I
was like, okay. So I meet him there, So I go.
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I get there early, and the album is there because
you know, they've got stacks of him because he's gonna
sign sign the records. So I picked it up and
I couldn't wait because I played on the record. I
played on Dose Stop till you get enough Wow. And
so the bottle thing, dude, d that's me playing the bottles.
I tuned the bottle.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
See, you didn't even know that.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I love that. No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, So I put water in the water bottles because
Quincy called me, Michael's making these sounds. I don't know
what it is. Can you just bring you know whatever?
So I got water bottles and played the water bottles
to make the sound on Don't Stop Till You get enough.
So I'm like, oh my god, this is awesome. My
name is going to be on Michael's first record. So
I get to Leopold's and I pull up the record
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and I'm looking for my name and my name's not
on the record.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
So the shocker was, oh, they forgot Quincy, forgot to
put my name on the record Q and I was
not the only one that they left off. So I
didn't feel bad filling games. I think, whoa, I think
so yeah. So so the crazy thing about it was
what they said was, oops, we forgot. I'm like, of
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all things you couldn't have liked done it in the
next print, like really, oh.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
It never it never happened.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Oh wow, I get royalties, but I don't. My name
is not on it. And not only that, I still
need to get I told Quincy, I still don't have
the album up here. Wow, I don't have that record.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh man, you know me, maybe I can let me
let me see if I can put a put a
good word in for you.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Girl, all right, for real, that's that's the knittle.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
What okay, Let me let me tell you how that
name came to be. I was on tour with said Michael,
and I came back for a month or so to,
you know, collect my life. And I went to the
knitting store because I wanted to start knitting for my
next excursion. And I bought some yarn, and uh, there
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was a group of ladies, little white ladies, sitting knitting.
They were having their little knitting circles. So I thought
to myself, I have some time. Let me just sit
down and I need to knit a swatch. Anyway, let
me knit with these ladies. So I sit down and
I'm knitting, and I see the woman next to me,
and she's knitting with something that was really pretty. So
I said, what is that you're knitting with? That's beautiful.
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She said, oh, this is just cotton. And then I said, oh,
it's nice. So she said what are you What are
you knitting with? I said, this is Kashmir. She said, oh,
aren't you an uppy knitter? No, yes, she did. And
I said what did you call me? She said nitter?
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I said nitch.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Oh my god, what a story. Oh.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
She gave me a gift that day. She gave me
the name of my podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
What a great story, that's so true. Oh my god,
she I want to I just need to thank you
for sharing so much of your self with us this afternoon,
and your energy and your comedic timing. I just appreciate
everything that you do. You're an artist through and through.
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And I know I will never ever play poker or
ping pong jazz. I'm done, because you would sweep the
floor with me on both counts. So but I would.
I wouldn't mind like coming to one of your parties
and watching you throw down, because do you still smell cigars?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Mm hmmmm. That was a one time thing and that
was it. That was so long ago. My god, wow
like that?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, excellent. Well, I wouldn't be surprised to see whatever
else you have up your sleeve, sister, and I hope
we can see each other sometime soon.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Absolutely, my sister. I love you so much. I thank
you for having me.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Thank you so much for joining us on The Uppity
Knitter Podcast. Celebrity Hobbies Uncovered, a show where your favorite
celebrities talk about their unusual hobbies. Join us next time.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
See you then, The Uppity Knitter Podcast is brought to
you by Black Chick Productions. Our show is hosted by
Sayi to Garrett. Our producer is Eric Neurie, and we're
recorded and edited by Felicia Morris at Morris Media Studios
in Los Angeles. Special thanks go out to our friends
at iHeartMedia and Seneca Women
Hello, I'm say to Garrett and Uppity Knitter and host
of the Uppity Knitter podcast. Celebrity Hobbies Uncovered, a show
about your favorite celebrities and their unusual hobbies. Welcome. My
guest today is a legendary drummer, percussionist, singer, songwriter, recording artist,
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music director Arthur, philanthropist Darling, and podcaster who's work with
or recorded on albums by music giants like Michael Jackson,
Marvin Gay, Lionel Richie, Diana Ross, Phil Collins, Herbie Hancock,
ringo star Beyonce, Cindi Lauper, Gloria Esavon, and a little
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giant known as Prince affectionately regarded as the Queen of Percussion.
Now with a Latin Grammy for a Lifetime You Heard Me,
a Lifetime Achievement Award, a star on the Hollywood Walk
of Fame, and co host and music director for the
new hit game show which I've seen Lataia Loka, the
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remarkable Miss Sheila E. Thank you, Sheila, my sister, Thanks
so much for accepting my invitation to help me kick
off my new side hustle in podcasting. I'm truly honored
to have you as my guest today as extensive as
your credits are in music and film today, we're here
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to talk about your hobbies when you're not on stage,
when you're not on set, or when you're not in
the recording studio. So Sheila, tell us how you spend
your time during off hours, Like what are some of
your hobbies or your interests outside of your vast music career.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Ooh, loaded question.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Uh oh no, uh.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Because I grew up in a crazy family of my
grandparents being from Nowlans, they started these poker leagues at
their home when I was young. So you would have
to pay the house to come into their house and
they would give you a meal. You could spend the
night downstairs and you would play poker. So off time,
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I mean, we have some games happening at my house
sometimes for real money.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Are you dangerous poker player? Like you got the serious
poker face?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh yeah, And I talk a lot of smack. Whatever
I do, I talk smack? Oh yeah, yeah, you have
to talk smack. And I get that from mom. So
moms will be playing. Pops doesn't play that much anymore.
And then I like sports. I grew up playing sports.
I love going to the games the Warrior games, you know, basketball, football.
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I love football, and forty nine Ers is my team.
Of course, Raiders once in a while they're gonna win.
They're gonna hate me for even saying that. But yeah,
but all sports. I love sports, and then I play
a lot of sports. Ping pong, pool, I like going.
I like being outside going, you know, riding my bike whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh wow, you were just majorly active. I had no idea.
I love that. Usually artists like us, and especially a
musician like you, you're more of a studio rat. You
just hang out in the studio. You don't really have
a lot of outside interests, but yours are like too
many to mention. Can we talk about the poker playing?
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Is that your favorite? Or is it? Is it ping pong?
These days?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's whatever whatever I'm in the mood. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Do you prefer to listen to music when you're engaged
in playing your hobby? Are you serious about whatever it is?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, music too?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh yeah no. When we're poker's being done, well, even
ping poker, I put on vinyl. I don't listen to
like streaming. I bring out my records from the record stole.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Do you play DJ while you're playing poker, or you
have a dj somebody that got it?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, I gotta play dj oh between hands? Yes, okay,
well no, I have more hands. And then you take
it hold on, and then we got to go to
the bar. Let's have a drink, hold on, you know,
and then you give them a little tipsy and you
might win a little money.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Money. That's how you do it. When you were younger
and you saw and heard your mother talking smack, did
you know that she was faking her hand or trying
to get her opponent off kilter so she can fake
it whatever she might pretend she has two aces when
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there's you know, a two and a three.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, no, moms, it's still crazy. Like you can't tell
whether she's bluffing or not. That's what huffy bluffing. She
is serious about her playing like she'lls she's consistent about
you can't tell whether or not she's bluffing. She and
she she don't mess around. Did you get that from her, Yes,
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ma'am of it. I get it from my mama.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Hey, do you play poker in Vegas?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Is that? Like? Why do? No?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I mean I like gambling once in a while, I
used to gamble a lot because I'd win all the time.
I didn't lose many times I won a lot. Yeah,
but it's so different now because there's so many decks.
So it's confusing. Not that I was counting cards or anything,
it's just your odds. It just seems to be harder
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to win hand not knowing that there's six decks in
the hand, or when you're playing poker, if you're going
to the high limits. As a matter of fact, let
me tell you this quick story about gambling. So we
did this event and Michael Jordan was there. He won
with playing the golf tournament tournament and he ended up winning,
and we performed, and so every all, you know, you
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have all these celebrities, everyone hanging out, and he heard
that I played. So he was at the high stakes
table and we were still backstage and the guy comes
running in and he said, miss Michael Jordan, mister George
is looking for you. He needs you to come to
the high stakes table. I was like, ooh, high stakes,
Oh my god, Oh my god. So I go walk
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over there all the way to the other side and
there's people, you know, security, You can't even walk in there.
The guy's walking me through excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.
And then Michael's like okay. I said, okay, what you
doing and it was like, you know, no limits. So
I saw him. He was betting like twenty five thousand
two hire per hand, one hundred thousand dollars a hand.
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So he said all right, And so they're the dealers
shuffling the cars. He says, cut the cars. I said, okay, cool,
I cut the cards then or not? And then he
put it just a stack. I don't even know how
much money he put up there, and the dealer blah
blah blah blah, and the dealer pulled over the card
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and the dealer had blackjack and everyone lost their.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh my god, see that's too much. I hate to lose.
That's too much for me. That wasn't even my money
though that he's just hearing the story. It just makes
me sad.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
My god. I said, okay, I'll see you later.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Bye bye. I love it. Have you ever incorporated poker
other than going to that game, into your professional life
or is it just you happen to be at an
event where they're playing poker and you happen to be playing,
and so you saunter.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
On over well for Moms' last birthday party here at
the house. I actually got professional dealers and tables in
the backyard for everybody to play for real. Yeah, that
you are.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Serious about this. I read somewhere that you and Prince
were seriously competitive with each other and that included making
bets for money. Did you play poker or ping pong
with Prince and who usually came out on top?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Okay? Is this after dark? Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
No, So say what you got to say?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, we played ping pong and pool. He didn't, he didn't.
He didn't play cards much at all. No, it was
ping pong most ping pong, mostly ping pong and pool.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And was he good at ping pong?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
He's good at both. He's good at both. And there
were many times I did win. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Nice. There you go, There you go. Yes, as your
experience as a musician, especially as a female musician in
a male dominated field, has that contributed to your overall
mindset when engaging in competitions like ping pong and pool?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
No, it was really my competitiveness came again from moms.
Moms being an athlete and growing up with a lot
of brothers and sisters, especially her sisters. They ended up
starting their own baseball league for girls and stuff like
that because they wanted to play, and so they were
always competing against their brothers and some of my uncles
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at the time, some of them were going to go
pro bowling, basketball and football.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So yeah, so I got the competitiveness from moms. And
the other part about it is being in sports. When
I was younger, running track and field was the thing
that I loved doing the most. So competing in track
and field and always trying to win, it was always
just you know, I even went against some of the guys,
even though that wasn't a thing, but you know, we
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would end up like, let's just race against the guide
as well. After school we would do four forty relay whatever.
But I was a sprint runner and I just love competing.
And I played soccer for a undefeated women's team for
five years. So that was word. That was before really
being serious about drumming at all.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh my god, See, look how many lives have you lived,
my dear?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'm not done.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
What you mean, well, you're still living. I'm saying, how
many of you lived already? I'm scary you right now?
Do you prefer singles, doubles or matches when you're playing
ping pong, and how does that dynamic compare to your
experience in your poker games?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Uh? Single matches with ping pong, I like better, doubles
are fun once in a while, but single Uh, and
then with poker, the more the better. Really, Yeah, doesn't
it take.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
A long time for you to come back around to
your turn?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Or is it you're taking not when you're taking people's money?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
No, real quick, are there any ping punk players or
professional poker players that you admire or draw inspiration from? Like?
Do you know them? You know who they are?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, I've never not professionally, I've never like I've always
wanted to to play one of those poker tournaments. I
watched them sometimes late at night, and I'm like, there's
just no way. I don't think I can do that. Like,
and I'm always like, yeah, but I don't know, I
don't think because I'm watching them and we get to
see their cards, So you're going, why would they don't fold?
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Why would they fold on that one? Or why would
he keep betting on this one? He doesn't even have anything,
you know, So if you just yeah, yeah, no, I
think I get I learned a lot from my family,
from our brothers, my mom, my uncles and all. They
taught me a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Do you use it against them when you're playing with them?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Absolutely, but you got But you got to flip it
a little bit because they don't know they really know,
got it exactly, Gotta flip it?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Got it. How does your passion for poker influence your
social life is does one? Do they crossover ever? Other
than family? Have you found a community of like mind,
like minded enthusiasts of poker.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, kind of. There's a couple of guys that we,
you know, I hang out with that we go play
that we have a great time. So yeah, I mean
not everyone wants to go and gamble and it's not
like it's gambling. I just enjoy it because it's fun
and you put a limit on things and making sure
that you know, you don't get crazy. Because some of
my friends, who are really well known in the industry,
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I can't believe the money that they're betting, and I'm like,
I just can't do that. I can't do that. There's
just no way.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, that's that Michael Jordan money right there. Yeah, what's
the most money you've ever won in a single game?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh, in a single game?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, in a game of poker, or at a session
and a poker Now, let me.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Think, let me think. I don't even known.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I bet you know how much you've lost in a
single a single No?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
What, No, because it's I've not lost that much. I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I would say, you know, I need to go with
you to Vegas.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But the thing is is, it's it's so different now,
That's what I'm saying. I don't. I don't win as
big as I used to when I used to play
a while ago, because the terms are different, it's all different.
I don't. I couldn't answer that question. I mean, thousands
and thousands and thousands, but you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Okay and lost far less? Well, you're lucky, like.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, far less that you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Are too much and I'm not. I interviewed Terrence Blanchard
a week or so ago, and I was really surprised
to learn that his favorite hobby is boxing. Then then
I happened to come across a YouTube clip of you
hitting a boxing bag. Are you into boxing as well?
Was or was that merely for exercise? No?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Just exercise no, no. I I started, you know, trying
to work out because when I don't perform, and I
should do both, but when I'm not performing as much,
and during the pandemic, it's like I got to keep moving.
I got to keep working and doing something because I
was feeling really messed up, and so I just started.
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You know, I heard that boxing is fun and that
you know, you can get a lot done. You know,
you're moving all your muscles and things like that. So
I was like, I'm gonna get me a bag. So
I went down the street and got me a bag.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And you already had gloves, of course you have.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, I got the gloves.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Gloves.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I tried kickboxing once. It was the most exhausting thing
I'd ever done.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I had hard.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It is really really difficult because, uh, you're you know,
legs are heavy. You don't realize until you kick them
up times. Legs are heavy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But the strength that you endured and your cord to
be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
True, My god, you're so right.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So that's that I wouldn't. I don't know if I
could do that. Yeah, you should try it.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
If you haven't tried it, you should try it. You're
into boxing, so you might like it. I don't know.
It's it's it takes some consideration for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, it wore me out. I only had one lesson.
I said this is enough.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh God got it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Ye I'm more than yoga type. So I also, miss E,
was surprised to learn that you have an art collection
and your pieces are exceptional. Like you, thank you, please
share with us about your interest in the art.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Uh. So this photographer came to me and with this
idea about shooting me with his camera in opening the aperture,
the sort the lens opens up as motion as I'm
performing your scene in real time, stuff happening. So when
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I'm playing drums, I actually started playing, and I sometimes
would spell my name or put a letter or try
to do a music out while I'm playing. Yeah, and
what you see is with these pieces there and you
can go on my website to check it out. But
what website dot com. There you go and you can
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check them out. But it's pretty amazing what we were
able to do and capture, uh in real time, and
we didn't add any color, we didn't repaint, and it's
exactly what you see is what happened in real time beautiful.
I mean, he did an incredible job the way the
lighting and then I used some sticks that had lights
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on them and stuff like that, and so it was
really cool. They're really great pieces and people love them
and I signed every single one.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That sounds amazing. I definitely will be checking that out.
Do you collect art from other artists? Do you have
any favorites or would you consider art collecting? Yes, another
one of your hobbies.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, it's very I mean I love art and I
do have some pieces I have and I forgive me
because I now I forgot his name, but it's a
young African artist from Africa that I just bought one
of his pieces while my niece was there. And I
bought this amazing piece that's in my house as soon
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as you hit the front door, a beautiful charcoal piece
that he did. Incredible young artists from Africa. He was
in Africa when he painted it. But I love art,
and our family grew up in art because almost every
single one of us can paint, draw sketch craft. So
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my dad Popsy, he's an artist. My brother Peter Michael
is an artist, like literally like paintings and paintings and
paintings and sketches, and I have things of my dad
that he that he sketched up to Vietnamese kids injured
in nineteen sixty eight. Like, I have stuff, so it's
hard for me to not injured. How injured like it
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was like in his mind he saw this young girl
and her arm was broken, wrapped like they looked like
they were just coming out of the war or something.
And it's hanging in my office. Yeah, so it's where
we all grew up in the art and everyone in
my family can draw and paint.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, I'm so jealous of your child.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well look at you, no, but look at You're so
creative in what you do in your crocheane like and
your all your clothes and your purse is like, I
have your stuff. It's amazing. I don't even know how.
You see, my mind doesn't work like that. Well, my
body doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
So we're even I think we're here with my girl, Sheila.
We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Welcome back to the Upp and n Inner Podcast. We're
here with my girl, miss Sheila E. I also heard
that you collect another item shoes or was that a joke.
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Are you a shoe collector? Is that what you call that?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
A hobby? Uh? They would probably say shoe hole, but
I'll take that. Yeah, it's uh, it's hard. Yeah, I've
actually so here's the thing. I've had so many shoes
that I've I've sold them and given the money to
you know, my foundation, and and just keep getting you know,
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you get so many and then there's no more room.
Why build a bigger closet, Just get rid of them.
There's stuff that I've worn for videos and different things,
and a lot of those I've even given away. I don't.
I know, you're supposed to save a lot of that stuff,
but it's to the point where it's just too much.
So and now since the pandemic, you know, everyone stopped
wearing heels. That was hard to go back to wearing
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heels because we were used to being at home and
wearing tennis shoes. And then I have years yeah I know.
So then I slipped on my dog's gigantic bone that
she had and twisting my ankle on my knee. So
that's been an up and down going thing. So now
it's been hard for me to get back in heels
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and I've warned them a few times recently, and it's
just like, oh, I hate it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now you can no longer play. And because I knew
you were having some issues playing in high heels for
so many years.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well that's playing drums. That's not good to play heel,
playing drums and heels, but standing up playing to Bolly's
and congress. I still play in heels, but drums is
another thing. That's another thing, right, yeah, I can't do
that anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, some things, you know, you grow and let go,
you know, like like some of your shoes. Hey, do
you remember we were at we were at someone's house
at a party, and you have these beautiful boots on
and I commented on the boots and you were like, girl,
these boots is killing me right now. I said, I
have just the thing, and I went to my car.
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I went to my car and I got this shoe
stretched for ye.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yes, oh my god, that's right. Where was that all?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was a party of a mutual friend of our
Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So I wanted to know, do you still use that product?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, because I've never I haven't needed it anymore. Okay,
that's because you're not wearing wearing heels anymore, not like that.
And if I do, I get they have size.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Bigger smart. One of the reasons I developed this little
podcast was to encourage my listeners to think outside the
box like you do, and to use their imagination and
to not be afraid to explore new things in their lives.
Do you have any words of encouragement for those of
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us who need it and for those who may be
listening and feeling a little bit stuck in a rut
in their lives or careers.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well, I mean, as we know, if you haven't already understood, like,
life is so precious, no matter how young you are
or old you are. In the times that we've gone
through in these last couple of years, we've lost so
many people, you know, and it's just been crazy, and
it's like every day is not promise, Every minute, every
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hour is not promise. And so if you don't live
your fullest life now. People always say I'm going to
wait till I a certain age or when I get older,
I'm going to be great. No, be great now. You know,
do things now, and you are great now. Don't try
to be just be great. But the biggest thing that
a lot of the people have now is not loving themselves,
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you know, loving yourself first. So that if you don't
love yourself, how are we going to love you? You
have to love yourself first and be okay with And
God has created every single one of us so differently
for a specific reason. And the thing is, it's like
people need to.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Know that.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
If you don't try to move forward in your life,
you're failing. The way to fail successfully is to fail forward.
So if you fail forward, meaning you're going to fail
as you're moving along, but you're failing if you don't
do anything, failing forward is moving along. I might have failed,
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but it's actually brought me to another place. Failing forward,
you fail to be successful. Failure is not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Failure it's a learning experience.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It's a learning experience. It's growth, It really growth. Yeah,
So I just encourage people to just really, you know,
go out and communicate with people, not be stuck. You know,
like this every day.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Oh man, that kills many likes. I know, right, I
know right. I see people out having dinner with each
other and nobody's saying a word. Everybody's like cad down
on their phone. Yeah, so that part it makes me sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
So how's the show doing? Are you loving it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I got so much fun.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
We shot twelve episodes and we we just had a
blast doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
We had a lot of fun having a Yeah, that
is a fun show. Do you know if it's going
to get picked up for another season?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I don't know. I think it's moving to They haven't
officially said yet. I think it's moving to either one
of those Yeah, one of those that it's it's now.
They moved it off because we were up against midnight
on Monday night football, so they moved it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Good so somebody so they moved it. Yeah, Sheila, we
like to end this show with our segment called Netta.
What is when I asked my guests about something or
someone who said or did something that came as a
huge shock or surprise. Does anything come to mind for you? Sheila? Uhh,
(25:38):
why you think about that?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh? No, wait, I got you know what. No, I'm
thinking about it just because you're here. Otherwise I wouldn't
have thought of this. This is so crazy. Okay, So
because you work with Michael, of course everyone knows Michael Jackson.
If you don't know. All right, So because you work
with Michael, it's something that was done. Oh my god,
I can't okay. So Michael calls me up. This was
(26:02):
after Off the Wall was done, his first record. He
calls me and he says, meet me. I'm in the
Bay Area. I was living in the Bay Area. Then
meet me in the Bay Area at Leopold's Records, and
I'm gonna go there and sign records. So I want
you to be with me while I'm there. And I
was like, okay. So I meet him there, So I go.
(26:22):
I get there early, and the album is there because
you know, they've got stacks of him because he's gonna
sign sign the records. So I picked it up and
I couldn't wait because I played on the record. I
played on Dose Stop till you get enough Wow. And
so the bottle thing, dude, d that's me playing the bottles.
I tuned the bottle.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
See, you didn't even know that.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I love that. No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, So I put water in the water bottles because
Quincy called me, Michael's making these sounds. I don't know
what it is. Can you just bring you know whatever?
So I got water bottles and played the water bottles
to make the sound on Don't Stop Till You get enough.
So I'm like, oh my god, this is awesome. My
name is going to be on Michael's first record. So
I get to Leopold's and I pull up the record
(27:09):
and I'm looking for my name and my name's not
on the record.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
So the shocker was, oh, they forgot Quincy, forgot to
put my name on the record Q and I was
not the only one that they left off. So I
didn't feel bad filling games. I think, whoa, I think
so yeah. So so the crazy thing about it was
what they said was, oops, we forgot. I'm like, of
(27:36):
all things you couldn't have liked done it in the
next print, like really, oh.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
It never it never happened.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Oh wow, I get royalties, but I don't. My name
is not on it. And not only that, I still
need to get I told Quincy, I still don't have
the album up here. Wow, I don't have that record.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh man, you know me, maybe I can let me
let me see if I can put a put a
good word in for you.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Girl, all right, for real, that's that's the knittle.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
What okay, Let me let me tell you how that
name came to be. I was on tour with said Michael,
and I came back for a month or so to,
you know, collect my life. And I went to the
knitting store because I wanted to start knitting for my
next excursion. And I bought some yarn, and uh, there
(28:30):
was a group of ladies, little white ladies, sitting knitting.
They were having their little knitting circles. So I thought
to myself, I have some time. Let me just sit
down and I need to knit a swatch. Anyway, let
me knit with these ladies. So I sit down and
I'm knitting, and I see the woman next to me,
and she's knitting with something that was really pretty. So
I said, what is that you're knitting with? That's beautiful.
(28:53):
She said, oh, this is just cotton. And then I said, oh,
it's nice. So she said what are you What are
you knitting with? I said, this is Kashmir. She said, oh,
aren't you an uppy knitter? No, yes, she did. And
I said what did you call me? She said nitter?
(29:17):
I said nitch.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Oh my god, what a story. Oh.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
She gave me a gift that day. She gave me
the name of my podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
What a great story, that's so true. Oh my god,
she I want to I just need to thank you
for sharing so much of your self with us this afternoon,
and your energy and your comedic timing. I just appreciate
everything that you do. You're an artist through and through.
(29:53):
And I know I will never ever play poker or
ping pong jazz. I'm done, because you would sweep the
floor with me on both counts. So but I would.
I wouldn't mind like coming to one of your parties
and watching you throw down, because do you still smell cigars?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Mm hmmmm. That was a one time thing and that
was it. That was so long ago. My god, wow
like that?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, excellent. Well, I wouldn't be surprised to see whatever
else you have up your sleeve, sister, and I hope
we can see each other sometime soon.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Absolutely, my sister. I love you so much. I thank
you for having me.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Thank you so much for joining us on The Uppity
Knitter Podcast. Celebrity Hobbies Uncovered, a show where your favorite
celebrities talk about their unusual hobbies. Join us next time.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
See you then, The Uppity Knitter Podcast is brought to
you by Black Chick Productions. Our show is hosted by
Sayi to Garrett. Our producer is Eric Neurie, and we're
recorded and edited by Felicia Morris at Morris Media Studios
in Los Angeles. Special thanks go out to our friends
at iHeartMedia and Seneca Women
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