November 30, 2023 • 40 mins
Renowned jazz trumpeter Terence Blanchard is a maestro with seven Grammy Awards and two Oscar nominations under his belt. Beyond his exceptional prowess as a brass player and bandleader, Blanchard is a versatile recording artist and a master orchestrator of film scores. Hailing from New Orleans, his work extends across various artistic domains, spanning film, television, opera, and stage, with a portfolio boasting over 50 remarkable scores. His collaboration with director Spike Lee has been an enduring musical partnership, scoring almost every Spike Lee film since 1991. Other notable film scores include the films Harriet, One Night in Miami, and The Woman King.This remarkable feat has earned Blanchard the distinction of being the second African-American composer to receive two Academy Award nominations, a status shared only by the illustrious Quincy Jones.
In this episode, Blanchard delves into his lifelong passion for the sport of boxing, sharing his admiration for the sport, its integral role in his personal fitness journey, and it's impact on his onstage musical performances.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, I'm sayu to Garrett and Uppity Knitter and host
of the Uppity Knitter podcast. Celebrity Hobbies Uncovered, a show
about your favorite celebrities and their unusual hobbies. Welcome. My
guest today is a legendary seven time Grammy Award winning
and twice OSCAR nominated musician, composer, and educator, the remarkable
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Terrence Blanchard. Let me tell you something about Terrence. This
man has been a consistent artistic force for making powerful
musical statements in film and television. He stands tall as
one of jazz's most important trumpeters and composers. He's globally
recognized as a dazzling soloist and a prolific creator of
musical composition for film, television, the opera stage, Broadway, the
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La film, and from his work composing scores for over
twenty Spike Lee projects spanning over three decades, ranging from
the documentary When the Levees Broke to Lee's film The
Five Bloods. Blanchard has interwoven beautiful melodies that created strong
backdrops to these human stories, like Regina King's One Night
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in Miami, Casey Lemon's Harriet, and Eve's By you George
Lucas's Red Tales, where we met on the set in Prague.
Also the drama series Perry Mason, the National Geographic limited
series Genius Aretha, and among others, Gina Prince by the Wood,
and Viola Davis's critically acclaimed feature film The Woman King.
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Terrence Blanchard, thanks so much for accepting my invitation to
help me kick off my brand new career in podcasting.
I'm truly honored to have you as my guest today.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Thank you for asking me to be I'm honored that
you asked that you call me. I'm just I'm so
glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Thank you. However, we did collaborate on a song for
the film Red Tales. Unfortunately, the scene got cut, so
did the song. But it still remains one of my favorites.
You know, all of a sudden anyway, you know, we
got to listen.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I was excited to do it, but they told me
I was gonna get a chance to work with you. Man.
I was like, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Let bit.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I love it. I love it, and I.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Was heartbroken when they cut the scene. But you know,
but it was a beautiful song.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Thank you. And thank you. It happens. It happens. So
today we're going to talk about your hobbies, like when
you're not on the stage or on set or in
the recording studio. Please tell our listening audience, mister Terrence
Blanchard your unique hobby.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I have a few. I mean, I'm an avid sports fan.
You know, I'm a big NFL fan, unfortunately from New Orleans.
I'm suffering right now.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm also a big F one fan. You know, me
and my my youngest daughter.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Is that Formula one?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah? Yeah, we love watching Formula One. What my activity
that I love to do the most. A lot of
people probably wouldn't associate me with his boxing. I've been
boxing for like over twenty years. Yeah, It's been one
of my hobbies that I really really love. I get
into the whole idea of the chess match between opponents,
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you know, it's I mean, when you really start to
study the sport, I really start to admire anybody who
enters the ring, whether they want to lose, because the
journey to get to that stage in your life is
such an incredible one filled with dedicated work.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Wow, it's tip your hat to any of those guys
would make it to that level.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Wow, what first got you interested in boxing? Was there
a boxer who inspired you?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You know, it started out just as a fitness thing.
I walked by this gym and I saw these heavy
bags in New Orleans, and I walked in and this guy,
his name was Charlie Gallagher. He was a trainer. He
was a local trainer in New Orleans. Kind of took
me under his wing. But then man, I met her.
I met a guy who became one of my best friends. Man,
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his name is Michael Bent. And Michael Bent was a
heavyweight champion at one time and he beat Tommy Marrison
for the title. And as a matter of fact, if
you watch the movie Ali at the beginning of the movie,
because he's also an actor, at the beginning of the movie,
when you see Will Smith fighting Sonny Liston, that's that's
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Michael Bent. Wow. And he's the guy that became my trainer.
He's also the guy that gave me the story for
my first opera about Emil Griffith.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah me. And that's that is my dude. Man.
So you know, we've been training for over twenty years,
you know.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And you still train with him.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Today, I don't get a chance to train with him
as much because he's in Atlanta, He's not in La anymore.
But I still go to the boxing gym here in
to Penga.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
What does your buck seeing routine consists of? You have
a trainer, you have a pain. I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
No, No, I mean a lot of it has to
do with like the warm ups are like just trying
to get your body your body temperature up and getting
your muscles loose. So that's either jumping rope or doing
ring or work for maybe three or four rounds, you know,
and then the rest of it depends on the day.
Some of it is like heavy bag work for maybe
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five or six rounds and then doing midwork with a trainer.
The midwork is where it really becomes like like taxing,
because you know, the trainers can really push you really hard.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
When you say midwork, does that mean working your core?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No? No, midwork, mid midwork. Yeah. When the trainer is
a hole in the midst for you and they're calling
calling our punches, got it? Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh wait a minute, wait a minute. So when the
trainer has his mits up, he's telling you what punch
he wants you to hit on what.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh yeah, yeah. We work on a lot of combinations
a lot of times, you know, because you want to
get in the habit of throwing punches right, yeah, and
then moving underneath, keeping your and keeping your balance and
keeping your body in a position to throw punches. So
they come up with a lot of combinations to move
you around the ring. And that could be like really
really taxing. Wow, because once it gets your heart rate up,
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you think those guys would stop. No, they only stop
when they see your eyes roll back in the back
of your head.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Do you go to boxing matches?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
You know, I've gone to When I was in New Orleans,
I used to go to local fights all the time,
you know. Oddly enough, man, when the championship fights come up. Man,
I'm always on the road, so I never got a
chance to really to experience that. But I've been in
some gyms. I was in Freddie Roach's gym here in
LA you know, when they were training some guys for
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Olympic competition. And I love it. I love it because
you know, people really don't understand what it takes to
do that, because everybody thinks it's just a barbaric sport
and it is a violence sport. Let's not let's not
kid ourselves, but the technique that's involved with being able
to keep your balance, keep yourself upright, move around the ring,
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keep your distance, you know, because a lot of it
is deception a lot of times, you know, if you're
in a fight, a lot of times makes you can
make it look like you can't reach your opponent, but
actually he's right in your distance. So a lot of
that is a psychological thing that that happens. And it's
very much like playing jazz. It is very it is
so similar to me because you learn there's six basic punches.
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You learn those, and then there's movement that you learned.
But then the rest of it is creativity. You know,
it's like a it is it's like a solo. It
is also like it's also like a duet that's improvised
because you know, you still to learn your opponent's tendencies
while you're in the fight. You know, Michael, when I
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was spar with him, he had to tell, you know,
all the time when he would want to throw his
big power shot, his hand would twitch just just ever
so spiky. So oh my god. So when I figured
it out, when we were sparring. I would yell out
here comes here, it comes, here, it comes, and he
would start to laugh and anybody have to change up,
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which saved my life because I knew. Man, oh my god,
I tell you this. One time, this guy we was sparring,
and you know, he's my friend, so he's never really
hurt you. No no, no, no, no no, but but
we do get competitive sometimes. So there was one time
he kept doing this combination and he would duck underneath
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it and he'd move to my left. He would do this combination,
duck underneath, moved to my left, So man, I got
I tried to time it because he would go pop
up and then move. He go pop up and then move.
So when he did pop pop, I went to throw
and he threw another punch and caught me square on
the button.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He knew you were checking it, man.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh yeah, no, he was setting me up. You know what.
He kept doing it on purpose, and he said, oh,
I know you think this is what I'm going to
do this next time, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, but I love it. I love I love I
love the sport.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
When you are performing on stage with your trumpet, do
you ever mimic your boxing moves, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
You know what's interesting about that? You know, it was
really interesting about that. It helps with my balance a
great deal, cause I move around the stage. I never
like to stand in one place right. I learned that
from watching Miles. And in the process of doing that,
you know, you have to, you know, make sure that
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you stay upright because even though I'm playing the trumpet,
I'm still trying to get the maxi amount of leverage
to get air flow up through my system and out
into the horn. So I have to make sure that
everything is like balanced and equal, you know. So it
does help.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Wow. Sure, So the cardio that you do to prep
for your boxing training also helps you with your breathing
when you're blowing the trumpet.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Sorry to let me tell you something. When I first
started boxing, I'll never forget this. The hornt the guy
who makes my horns, David on that he was doing
a conference someplace and he had a booth with all
of his horns, and I hadn't seen him in a while.
But I had been boxing for a while, and I've
been doing a lot of heavy breathing, a lot of
work out, a lot of Cardio get my conditioning up right.
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He brought me a horn to check out, and my
sound was different.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Who is that in a good way?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Or definitely in a good way because I was producing
more air? Wow? Yeah, So I mean for me, it's
you know, listen when plays basketball, Freddie Herbert played basketball,
Miles Davis box I found out, you know, so a
lot of those guys had activities that kind of kept
kept him in shape.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I love it. Do you ever compete or just work out?
For the boxing thing?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I sparred with guys in gyms. I mean, I'm left handed.
So when I was living in New Orleans, you know,
the boxing gym that I went to, they had a
lot of guys who were trying to turn pro. So
I would always be the guy that they were put
in there because they never they weren't accustomed to fight
and left hand left hands.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I would always I would always spart these young young
boys that were two days fast.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You know, but did you get him with the with
that hook, with the with the with the right No, Okay,
I'm sorry, you know, you know it was funny about it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know, I remember I was part of as one
young kid man, and he was really quick. He was
really quick, and I kept trying to bait him into
something and I almost got him. And when I threw
when I threw a shot at him, he you know,
he he moved out of the way to shot, but
I had over extended my arm right And it was
funny because we had to stop fighting. We had to
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stop sparring. But one of the trainers goes, yeah, but
you look good though, man.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You go to boxing matches.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah. I love listen as many as I mean, you know,
as many as many as I can watch. I try
to wow, you know, Mike Bent a lot of times,
you know him. And I have another friend of mine,
Jonathan Burdachelli, whose father was a check this out. His
father was a pro fighter in Italy during the war.
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And I was working on one of Spike Lee's movies,
A Miracle at Saint Anna, which was about you know,
the war and the Buffalo soldiers.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yes, yes, And I had a.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Party at my house one night and all of these
people came up to my studio and this actor who
was there, he had come up to the studio and
I was showing him some of the movie and Jonathan,
he got really emotional, and I didn't I couldn't understand why,
and I asked him later on, I said, well, what's
going on? Man? He said, Listen, he said, Me and
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my brother got emotional watching those scenes because our father
learned how to box from Joe Louis when he was
a Buffalo soldier stationed in Italy.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah. Yeah. So me and Jonathan Man, we're still good
friends to this day. We you know, we have a
we have like a group of us, you know, we're
a text when there's a fight on or something goes on,
something controversial happens with you know, on our phones, trying
to keep in touch with each other.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I love that. It's good to have peeps that are
into what you're into. It helps you live longer man
a community.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, you know what. The other thing too, It really
makes you appreciate what you do for a living, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yes, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Start when you start to communicate with other people who
are a percent in other areas and other fields, you
start to see that level of dedication would kind of
remind it kind of reminds you of how much time
and effort you put into your thing, you know, matter
of fact, you know when when when I'm when I
would be sparring with Mike Bent and he would catch
me or hit me how to get a little discouraged
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just because of my competitive nature.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And the pain right in the pain.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And he would always have to remind me. He said, hey, bro,
you don't see me on the band stand with you.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Do you. Oh so you're in his You're in his
world now.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right, But I'm living.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Man, I get it. Is there a professional boxer that
you feel has the best boxing style right now?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh? Man, it's hard to say. I mean, you know,
because some of the guys that I've always loved, you know,
Antonio and Michael Barrero was one that he's retired now,
but he was like a really compact fighter. His technique
was like and impreccable. Man, I'm thinking of one guy.
I'm looking right at his face. I can't think of
his name right now, but I used to love him
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because he was so slick. He'd always look like he
was a little out of shape, but when he would fight,
he always had a way of being prepared, but he
made it look like he was non prepared, Like, for example,
if he would catch a punch he wouldn't try to
block it with his hand, he would block it with
his shoulder, and when he got close he was ready
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to turn around home cuts you with a power shot.
Why can't I think of his name? I'm looking right
at his face. But all of those guys, Roy Jones,
all of those guys, I love, all of those guys.
Roy Jones was amazing because he kind of reminded me
of Ali in the sense that Roy was so quick,
he was able to make mistakes and with his defense
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because he could get out the way right. But that's
what caught up to him when he fought Tolliver, because
you know, when you get a little older, the fraction
of a second that you lose, you know, just because
the age, it's a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's why boxing it is a young man's game.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, maybe if.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You were a professional boxer, who would you want to box?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well, I would probably want to box anybody who was
at the at the top of the game, you know.
But because it isn't and it's not a macho thing.
It's really because these guys are so masterful and the
way they could move around the ring, the way they
could set you up by doing certain things. Yes, I
mean like one of the things when I would spawl Mike.
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It was always amazing to me because I'm standing right
in front of him, and i wouldn't know where the
punches were coming from because I can't explain it. You
have to see it. But his body motion, like if
he throws jab right, the way that starts is the
same way this starts.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Oh, so you can't tell what's coming.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, I mean it's it's no because his technique is great. Now,
some guys when they throw a shot, they're gonna wind up.
Do all this dad, those guys now. As a matter
of fact, I was in the gym one time because Mike.
Mike was there training the son of a friend of
mine who was turning pro and actually he just turned pro'
His name is Sean, Sean Sean Hemphield. He's a young fighter,
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and Mike was that training him. But there was this
dude who was musclebound, dude who wanted to get in
the ring with a heavyweight champion. And Michael's like, no, no, no, no, no,
I'm here for this guy. So he looks at me
and he wants to spar with me. And I knew
what was up because I knew I knew the guy.
I'd seen him before. But he's one of these guys.
He's got nothing but muscles, nobody fat or whatever, but
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he thinks he's a fighter and he's not. So I'm
sparring a guy and I trained with with with Mike Ben,
you know, and I know all of him. I've learned
all of his technique, keeping my hands in right. And
when I throw a jab, it starts from here. You
don't see my jab come here and then back. It
starts and just moves forward.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I see.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So I'm spawning with this guy and he's throwing all
of these wild punches, and I kept catching his punches
and throwing him back, and all of a sudden, over
in the corner, I could hear Mike Bent and some
other trainers giggling, like because I know this guy didn't
expect his gray head old man.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Did you hear him? Did you heard him tears?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I didn't him.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Okay, I heard them. When a boxer is heard him.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I heard his feelings probably most.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So yeah, yeah, his ego was bruised. I have heard
and I've seen when a boxer gets knocked out, they
are on the mat going what happened?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean Mike told me that. He said, sometimes
you can't. You don't. You don't feel it, you don't
feel it at all.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You just go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's like comes over and
clicks the switch. But you have to watch his fight
when he be Tommy Moore, you know, because it was
it was an incredible fight because Tommy kind of overlooked him,
you know, and Tommy came in really wanted to hurt him,
and Tommy would throw wild punches like this. You know,
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all his punches would come from way back here. And
when you do that, you know, guys who was skilled
can catch that and counter off of that. Right and man,
you know you see it. He hit this dude in
the first round and knocked him down. He won the fight,
I think, like in the first and second round or
something like that totally. And right after that, he thought
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a guy named Herbie Hyde who was unconventional. Herbie Hyde
fought like this, kept his hands up instead of like this,
He kept his hands up like this, right wow. And
it was unconventional.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Palm forward wow.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, trying to you know, cover yourself, and it was
awkward for Ben, and he wound up knocking Ben out.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Wow. We're going to take a quick break and be
right back. Welcome back to the Uppity Knitter Podcast. We're
here with the remarkable Terrence Blanchard. So, really, boxing is
about an economy of movement. You don't want to stretch
out your limbs too much unless you know that punch
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is gonna land.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Exactly, because the whole thing is you're trying to You're
trying to protect yourself and hit not be hit. Right.
It's like chess. It's you know how in chess you
always make a move. Whenever you make a move, that
piece has to be protected. Yes, so it's a very
similar thing. You know, for example, when you throw a jab,
Look at my arm is right, that's the improper to
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throw a jab. The way to throw a jab is
up here, so that your shoulders protecting your face.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Oh wow, I noticed that, but I didn't know why.
I thought it was just like, look look at me,
I'm cool.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Oh my gosh. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And it all happens in the split second timing.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, of course, you know all of it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
You know, I used to have a habit of throwing
my jab and then bringing my hand down here right,
proper thing to do. Throw your jab and bring me Yes.
And when I would bring my hand down, man Michael
popped me with the myth.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Let's see, I see you. You helped to score Spike
Lee's Mo Better Blues, And in it there's a scene
when Denzel Washington's character got attacked and he was hit
in the mouth and it ruined his ability to play with.
When you're boxing, do you ever fear getting punched in
the mouth?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, no, because you know, I mean, it is a concern.
And I used to. I used to wear this mask
that had a bar in the front to protect you.
That thing would make me hyperventilate because you start to
get claustrophobic. Oh but when we spar, you know the
way we spar, we spare shoulders down. No head shots.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Ah yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, well it's an unwritten rule in like in amateur gyms,
no uppercuts and no head shots.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Wow. Yeah, Okay. Do the do boxers normally obey those rules?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Or the good but you know what the great the
good ones do. It's it's always the guys who are
trying to prove something. See here's the thing about boxing
that I love that most people don't get. When you're
in a gym with pros and people who really respective sport,
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it's about learning. Everybody gets. I mean like it's amazing.
What can happen. You'll spar with somebody, somebody will watch you,
and they never talk to you while you're sparring because
you can get hurt. So everybody tries to distract you
while you're sparn But after it, people will pull you
aside and say, hey, man, I saw you know when
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you when you when you threw your jam, you should
faint and then come back and throw a jab sometimes
to throw a guy off his rhythm or any little
thing like that, you know. And it's always great because
people are always trying to learn and help other people learn.
It's the guys that really don't respect the sport that
come in with the macho attitude about oh I want
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to come in here and be the guy. Those are
the guys that wind up getting hurt. I saw that
happen in a gym, you know, where they wanted to
spark with this guy. And the guy that they wanted
to spart was a big guy and he was just
trying to get in some work, to work on his
defense or anything, you know. But this other guy came
in with a macho attitude and he threw a shot
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at this guy and the guy counted and when he counted, boom,
he counted and clocked him on the top of his head.
And then he got.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Upset, oh, because he got hit in the head.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah he got. And I was standing right there and
he didn't. He got. Yeah, he got.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Clocks Wait wait, did he go.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Almost almost he was? He was closed, he was, but
it feelix was so hurt. Man, he got he got upset. Man,
I'll see what you did. Man. And we were all like, bro,
come on, man, you you threw a punch and a
guy just counted your punch. You're the one that went
after him, not that way. So those are the gym
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rules that we all try to abide by. And I
got in the ring with the same guy right after that,
you know, and me and him went to no, no, no,
it was fine. Me and him went two rounds. And again,
I'm left handed, so and you know, I have this
gray head, so my speed is a little bit separate.
People don't think that I'm as quick as I am so,
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you know, when I caught him with a jab, he said, oh, okay,
but it but it was a learning process for him. Well,
not to take anybody for granted.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Don't judge the book, my friend.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, not to take anybody for granted. So and then
for me, it was a learning process because the dude
had long arms.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Man, you know what I mean, quite an advantage, quite
an advantage.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I felt like I was swinging that air.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
He can reach you.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You can never get close to him.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, what do you do in your downtime when you're
not boxing and you're you're on the road.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
When I'm on the road, man, I'm I'm either like
research and stuff. You know, you see these this equipment
behind me. I don't. I don't have a tech person,
you know, so a lot of times I'm doing my
own studies, searching, learning how to program these things, you know,
trying to find out what's the next technology, or a
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lot of times I'm sitting down, like you know, checking
out other people's music and and and the other thing
that I you know, I'm a big proponent. I was.
I'm kind of backed off it now, but I was
a news junkie, was my husband.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But okay, yeah, you sound like my life.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Sorry, maybe it's a uterus testical thing. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't know. Well, for me, I was just always
trying to stay current about what was going on around
the world, you know, I was just and because sometimes
you know, listen, you don't have this when we're traveling.
I was in Italy in the eighties when they bombed
the Roman airport.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Right, It wasn't a different news broadcast than you would
have heard in America, probably.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So definitely, definitely, you know, but it was also a
sobering thing that think that we had just come from
that airport, you know. Yeah, and then I've been in
I'd been in other airports that had been bombed by
terrorists and you.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Know, in Europe.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, and all of those moments are like very sobering.
So a lot of times, you know, I watched the
news because it is interesting. I'm glad you brought that up.
It is interesting about some of the news you see
abroad that you don't see here.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, yes, they have a different take on what happens
in this country than we report to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yes, very different take, you know. And it was an
educational thing for me a lot of times. But now,
you know, I'm so tired of what's going on in
Congress and everything in d C. So I can't. I
can't do it anymore because it seems like the news
is all about that as opposed to other things that
are happening.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Right, wow, Well you know what your your good friend
Spike is heavy into collecting art and other memorabilia. Do
you have Are you a collector of any sort art?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah? All right, not but but you know, me and
my wife whenever we can can, you know, we try
to make sure we buy a nice piece of art,
you know. And with our house in New Orleans, we
have a lot of art in that house. We have
a lot of friends, you know, CC Pounder the entrance Heck, yeah, no, CC. Yeah.
CC's a good friend, you know. CC. She's an avid collector.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Did not know that, do you? And she collected mostly
art from African Americans.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
We tried, I tried, I tried, But CC, man, she
can have multiple shows at major museums. That's how much
what yeah, is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I did not know that. Write down founder.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Her next look and look, and I know she probably
wanted to tell you this, but but it's it's okay,
because I just think it's important for people to understand
how much she loves art. She bought a house just
to store.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Her art, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
As and she she already has a bunch of containers
and storage facilities filled with art.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So she's a serious collector. And that's an investment for life, for.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Life, for life. But but it's it's for her. It's
a passion. I mean, like she really she really loves it.
She really loves when people coming up with different ideas.
And she wouldn't have been a great actress man, she
would have been a museum curio curia.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Wow. Wow, that's great to know. I did not know
that about her.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I love her look is ask one question about it
and just rotate.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, good to know she could go on right. I
read somewhere that you took a two year hiatus from
playing your trumpet in order to relearn how to correctly
blow your instrument. But what what was that like? And
what were you doing in those two years when you
weren't playing the horn like?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It was interesting because I grew up playing correctly, and
I said, my bottom lit used to get cut all
the time on the inside because I was rolling my
lip over my teeth when I was playing, which is
what you shouldn't do, and your.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Teeth began to cut your lip from the inside.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah. Wow, Look I've been playing with all Blake, can't
play with Loano. I was making records. This is in
the middle of my career. I was about twenty seven
years old when it when it when I had to
make the change. But it's funny how the good lawd works,
you know, because right is that happen, That's when I
met Spike, you know, and I had to do I
had to coach Denzil and no better Blues. So that
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allowed me to you know, be his coach on the film,
you know, practice and still support my family. So that
was a big shift, you know. And I took all
of my time around that time just working on that
and making the change and making the shift. And I
haven't looked back since.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Wow. So you had to change the position of your
mouth when you put the horn to your lips so
that you wouldn't keep reinjuring that cut on the inside.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah. And the other part of it too was I
wasn't I wasn't having the type of flexibility that I
should have had. And once are you.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Exerc in your lips? Like how do you?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Oh? No, it's the way around, because it's like, you know,
you want to tighten your corners and you want to
have the ability to move from low to high on
the instrument.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Wow, just be trying to do that the right way.
It hurts. Just me thinking I'm doing it the right way,
that hurts a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Look, just tell if anybody wants to feel it, just
take a pencil and try to hold it in between
your lips, not your teeth, just your lips for five minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
No, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.
Do you do you share any hobbies or activities with
your your wife and kids? You have grown, young kids.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I got grown. I'm all of my kids are grown.
You know, my my son and my middle daughter, my
wife were all sports fans. Wow, huge sports fans. I
mean last night my wife just went to New York.
But last night we were sitting down watching the opening
of the NBA season. She's from d C. So she
was an avid Commander's fan back when they were the Redskins,
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when they came to New Orleans to play the same.
I had season tickets. When they came to New wants
to play the same She would go sit on.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
The No, she didn't, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, and then wear redskins like jerseys. Yeah you know
you haven't seen those little those little helmets that people buy. Yes,
we have skins and the Saints helmet at the House
of New Orleans and they face each other.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I love it. Listen, you don't You don't box your wife.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Do you? No, she'd like to. She'd like to kick
my butt, for sure. There's a bunch of times I
catch up with that looking at.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Please dare and tell our listening audience, what is it
coming up for you? What projects do you have going
on in your life that we should know about.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well, you know, I just became the executive autistic director
at SF Jazz in San Francisco. Yeah, oh, you know.
I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So you have to live there?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
No, no, no, no, I'm commuting back and forth, you know.
But we have like a lot of great concert We
put on a bunch of concerts, you know, every every year.
As a matter of fact, I'm going up there tomorrow
because I'm introducing Michelle and Dye o cello. We have
other for four nights.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Please tell her that I am sending her my love.
I adore her. I adore her and have for many years.
She's amazing, she is.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And then we do a lot of different things over
the over the course of the years, so I'm looking
forward to that. And then we do a lot of
community engagement. I'm looking forward to working with our artists
and bringing kids to the hall so they can hear
these guys play, you know. Uh. And then you know,
I'm working on some new music from my band, you know,
with the E Collective and the Turlina String Quartet. Yes,
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you know, there's a couple of projects that we're working
on right now. I can't really talk about them.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We'll look forward to whatever you got coming out next.
I appreciate having you hear Terrence. There's a segment of
our show that we like to call knit a What,
and it's where I asked my guests about something that
someone said or did that came to them as a
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shock or a surprise.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Oh my god, let me think about that as so
many things that have happened.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Just take your time. Let me tell you the story
about how this podcast came to be called the uppity knitter. Okay,
I was on tour with Michael Jackson and we were
home for a couple of weeks, and I decided to
go to the yarn store to re up my supply
to take out on the road, and I bought some
yarn and I saw a little knitting circle in the
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yarn store, so I said, let me just sit down
with these lovely white ladies and just have a net.
So I sat down and the lady I was sitting
next to had she was knitting something I thought was lovely,
and I said, what is that you're knitting with? That's beautiful.
She said, oh, this is just cotton, you know. And
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then she looked at me and she said, what are
you knitting with? I said, this is this is kashmere.
She said, oh, aren't you an uppity knitter? No, she
didn't exactly. I said what did you call me? Oh
my god, she said, I said knitter. And I'm thinking, bit,
(35:31):
you better pronounce some teas because.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, something like that happened to me with one of
my with some of my friends, we were out at
the restaurant in New Warnings one night. Man and this
this guy came over and he was drunk, you know,
he was, you know, and it's always it's always funny.
Oh no, I'm gonna tell you another.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Okay, you can tell me that one later too.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'm playing with my band, you know,
out and uh, we were in Wisconsin. I just said that.
I won't tell you what city, but we were in
Wisconsin and I've been at the time. My show was
really about gun violence, and I would speak on it
doing the show, you know what I mean. So after
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the show, man, we're outside, we're all getting in the
bus to go back to the hotel. And the guitarist
in my band is white, and it was this white
guy standing in front of the entrance to the bus,
you know, blocking my way to get in. And I was,
excuse me, let me get around you, excuse me. I
gotta go, I gotta go. And he kept pointing to
(36:35):
the guitarist. He said, hey, man, can I talk to you?
And he said, yeah, sure, sure. Can you get out
of the van we were in the van. He said,
can you get out of the van to come? He says, no, no, no,
just talk to me now. And then he started talking about,
you know, you could take your liberal bullshit and shove
it up your ass, you know what I mean? Okay,
And I said, I said, hey, bro, you need to
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move on. You need to move on. And I don't
know if you have saw that. There was this video
of this xbox up by in front of a bodega,
and uh, some guy was messing with him and another
guy kept saying, don't hit him Champ. Don't hit him Champ,
you know what I mean. So we had saw the
video earlier, kept telling the guy said, yo, man, you
need to you need to move on. So the bass
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player and it was getting pretty tense, right, So the
bass player was like, don't hit him Champ. Don't don't
hit him Champ. So anyway, anyway broke up. It broke up.
The attention to made us laugh. The other story that
I was going to tell you was I was at
a restaurant with some friends, friends of mine, and we
were just sitting there having a good time, and this
white dude came. He walked up to us and he goes,
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what does it feel like to pick cotton? Oh?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
No he didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yes he did, Yes he did, Yes he did. And
I wasn't right. And I was the first guy that
they grabbed, you know, like, no, Bro, I'm like no, no, no, no, no, Wow,
he's drunk, he's drunk. Just let him go on about
his business, you know what I mean. But I think
it's I just think that is just amazing. You know
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how we experience these things in this in this world.
You know, that's that's still.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Mostly in this country, though mostly in this country.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Mostly in this country. You're right, You're right, because we don't.
We don't tend to celebrate our differences.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, like other countries do.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So before we go, I need you to say, Nita,
what in your best Nolin's voice.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Dom girl Knitter? What you heard?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I love it? Terrence, you are in absolute joy and
a pleasure to be with. Thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Man. Thank You've created a lot of beautiful music. Man.
I've always admired everything you've done.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'm trying to keep up with you. Man, I'm trying
to keep up with you. I want to be the
lyricist that you are, to do film with your trumpet
and your music, musicality and your melodies. That's what I
want to be.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You are you are trust me, I mean you know
trust me? You know we haven't worked together as much
as I'd like me either. You know that that doesn't
mean that your name hasn't come up many many times,
trust me.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
You know what I mean, so in a good way or.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Way. A lot of times. It's just a matter of resources.
You know how that goes.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I do, I do. I adore you, Terrence Blanchard, and
your lovely wife as well. Please give her my love.
Thank you so much, Thank you, thank you so much
for joining us on the Uppity Knitter Podcast. Celebrity Hobbies Uncovered,
a show where your favorite celebrities talk about their unusual hobbies.
Join us next time. See you then.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
The Uppity Knitter Podcast is brought to you by Black
Chick Productions. Show is hosted by Sayi to Garrett.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Our producer is Eric new Reed, and we're recorded and
edited by Felicia Morris at Marris Media Studios in Los Angeles.
Special thanks go out to our friends at iHeartMedia and
Seneca Women
Hello, I'm sayu to Garrett and Uppity Knitter and host
of the Uppity Knitter podcast. Celebrity Hobbies Uncovered, a show
about your favorite celebrities and their unusual hobbies. Welcome. My
guest today is a legendary seven time Grammy Award winning
and twice OSCAR nominated musician, composer, and educator, the remarkable
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Terrence Blanchard. Let me tell you something about Terrence. This
man has been a consistent artistic force for making powerful
musical statements in film and television. He stands tall as
one of jazz's most important trumpeters and composers. He's globally
recognized as a dazzling soloist and a prolific creator of
musical composition for film, television, the opera stage, Broadway, the
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La film, and from his work composing scores for over
twenty Spike Lee projects spanning over three decades, ranging from
the documentary When the Levees Broke to Lee's film The
Five Bloods. Blanchard has interwoven beautiful melodies that created strong
backdrops to these human stories, like Regina King's One Night
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in Miami, Casey Lemon's Harriet, and Eve's By you George
Lucas's Red Tales, where we met on the set in Prague.
Also the drama series Perry Mason, the National Geographic limited
series Genius Aretha, and among others, Gina Prince by the Wood,
and Viola Davis's critically acclaimed feature film The Woman King.
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Terrence Blanchard, thanks so much for accepting my invitation to
help me kick off my brand new career in podcasting.
I'm truly honored to have you as my guest today.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Thank you for asking me to be I'm honored that
you asked that you call me. I'm just I'm so
glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Thank you. However, we did collaborate on a song for
the film Red Tales. Unfortunately, the scene got cut, so
did the song. But it still remains one of my favorites.
You know, all of a sudden anyway, you know, we
got to listen.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I was excited to do it, but they told me
I was gonna get a chance to work with you. Man.
I was like, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Let bit.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I love it. I love it, and I.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Was heartbroken when they cut the scene. But you know,
but it was a beautiful song.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Thank you. And thank you. It happens. It happens. So
today we're going to talk about your hobbies, like when
you're not on the stage or on set or in
the recording studio. Please tell our listening audience, mister Terrence
Blanchard your unique hobby.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I have a few. I mean, I'm an avid sports fan.
You know, I'm a big NFL fan, unfortunately from New Orleans.
I'm suffering right now.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm also a big F one fan. You know, me
and my my youngest daughter.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Is that Formula one?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah? Yeah, we love watching Formula One. What my activity
that I love to do the most. A lot of
people probably wouldn't associate me with his boxing. I've been
boxing for like over twenty years. Yeah, It's been one
of my hobbies that I really really love. I get
into the whole idea of the chess match between opponents,
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you know, it's I mean, when you really start to
study the sport, I really start to admire anybody who
enters the ring, whether they want to lose, because the
journey to get to that stage in your life is
such an incredible one filled with dedicated work.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Wow, it's tip your hat to any of those guys
would make it to that level.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Wow, what first got you interested in boxing? Was there
a boxer who inspired you?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You know, it started out just as a fitness thing.
I walked by this gym and I saw these heavy
bags in New Orleans, and I walked in and this guy,
his name was Charlie Gallagher. He was a trainer. He
was a local trainer in New Orleans. Kind of took
me under his wing. But then man, I met her.
I met a guy who became one of my best friends. Man,
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his name is Michael Bent. And Michael Bent was a
heavyweight champion at one time and he beat Tommy Marrison
for the title. And as a matter of fact, if
you watch the movie Ali at the beginning of the movie,
because he's also an actor, at the beginning of the movie,
when you see Will Smith fighting Sonny Liston, that's that's
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Michael Bent. Wow. And he's the guy that became my trainer.
He's also the guy that gave me the story for
my first opera about Emil Griffith.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah me. And that's that is my dude. Man.
So you know, we've been training for over twenty years,
you know.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And you still train with him.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Today, I don't get a chance to train with him
as much because he's in Atlanta, He's not in La anymore.
But I still go to the boxing gym here in
to Penga.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
What does your buck seeing routine consists of? You have
a trainer, you have a pain. I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
No, No, I mean a lot of it has to
do with like the warm ups are like just trying
to get your body your body temperature up and getting
your muscles loose. So that's either jumping rope or doing
ring or work for maybe three or four rounds, you know,
and then the rest of it depends on the day.
Some of it is like heavy bag work for maybe
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five or six rounds and then doing midwork with a trainer.
The midwork is where it really becomes like like taxing,
because you know, the trainers can really push you really hard.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
When you say midwork, does that mean working your core?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No? No, midwork, mid midwork. Yeah. When the trainer is
a hole in the midst for you and they're calling
calling our punches, got it? Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh wait a minute, wait a minute. So when the
trainer has his mits up, he's telling you what punch
he wants you to hit on what.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh yeah, yeah. We work on a lot of combinations
a lot of times, you know, because you want to
get in the habit of throwing punches right, yeah, and
then moving underneath, keeping your and keeping your balance and
keeping your body in a position to throw punches. So
they come up with a lot of combinations to move
you around the ring. And that could be like really
really taxing. Wow, because once it gets your heart rate up,
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you think those guys would stop. No, they only stop
when they see your eyes roll back in the back
of your head.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Do you go to boxing matches?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
You know, I've gone to When I was in New Orleans,
I used to go to local fights all the time,
you know. Oddly enough, man, when the championship fights come up. Man,
I'm always on the road, so I never got a
chance to really to experience that. But I've been in
some gyms. I was in Freddie Roach's gym here in
LA you know, when they were training some guys for
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Olympic competition. And I love it. I love it because
you know, people really don't understand what it takes to
do that, because everybody thinks it's just a barbaric sport
and it is a violence sport. Let's not let's not
kid ourselves, but the technique that's involved with being able
to keep your balance, keep yourself upright, move around the ring,
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keep your distance, you know, because a lot of it
is deception a lot of times, you know, if you're
in a fight, a lot of times makes you can
make it look like you can't reach your opponent, but
actually he's right in your distance. So a lot of
that is a psychological thing that that happens. And it's
very much like playing jazz. It is very it is
so similar to me because you learn there's six basic punches.
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You learn those, and then there's movement that you learned.
But then the rest of it is creativity. You know,
it's like a it is it's like a solo. It
is also like it's also like a duet that's improvised
because you know, you still to learn your opponent's tendencies
while you're in the fight. You know, Michael, when I
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was spar with him, he had to tell, you know,
all the time when he would want to throw his
big power shot, his hand would twitch just just ever
so spiky. So oh my god. So when I figured
it out, when we were sparring. I would yell out
here comes here, it comes, here, it comes, and he
would start to laugh and anybody have to change up,
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which saved my life because I knew. Man, oh my god,
I tell you this. One time, this guy we was sparring,
and you know, he's my friend, so he's never really
hurt you. No no, no, no, no no, but but
we do get competitive sometimes. So there was one time
he kept doing this combination and he would duck underneath
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it and he'd move to my left. He would do this combination,
duck underneath, moved to my left, So man, I got
I tried to time it because he would go pop
up and then move. He go pop up and then move.
So when he did pop pop, I went to throw
and he threw another punch and caught me square on
the button.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He knew you were checking it, man.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh yeah, no, he was setting me up. You know what.
He kept doing it on purpose, and he said, oh,
I know you think this is what I'm going to
do this next time, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, but I love it. I love I love I
love the sport.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
When you are performing on stage with your trumpet, do
you ever mimic your boxing moves, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
You know what's interesting about that? You know, it was
really interesting about that. It helps with my balance a
great deal, cause I move around the stage. I never
like to stand in one place right. I learned that
from watching Miles. And in the process of doing that,
you know, you have to, you know, make sure that
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you stay upright because even though I'm playing the trumpet,
I'm still trying to get the maxi amount of leverage
to get air flow up through my system and out
into the horn. So I have to make sure that
everything is like balanced and equal, you know. So it
does help.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Wow. Sure, So the cardio that you do to prep
for your boxing training also helps you with your breathing
when you're blowing the trumpet.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Sorry to let me tell you something. When I first
started boxing, I'll never forget this. The hornt the guy
who makes my horns, David on that he was doing
a conference someplace and he had a booth with all
of his horns, and I hadn't seen him in a while.
But I had been boxing for a while, and I've
been doing a lot of heavy breathing, a lot of
work out, a lot of Cardio get my conditioning up right.
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He brought me a horn to check out, and my
sound was different.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Who is that in a good way?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Or definitely in a good way because I was producing
more air? Wow? Yeah, So I mean for me, it's
you know, listen when plays basketball, Freddie Herbert played basketball,
Miles Davis box I found out, you know, so a
lot of those guys had activities that kind of kept
kept him in shape.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I love it. Do you ever compete or just work out?
For the boxing thing?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I sparred with guys in gyms. I mean, I'm left handed.
So when I was living in New Orleans, you know,
the boxing gym that I went to, they had a
lot of guys who were trying to turn pro. So
I would always be the guy that they were put
in there because they never they weren't accustomed to fight
and left hand left hands.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I would always I would always spart these young young
boys that were two days fast.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You know, but did you get him with the with
that hook, with the with the with the right No, Okay,
I'm sorry, you know, you know it was funny about it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know, I remember I was part of as one
young kid man, and he was really quick. He was
really quick, and I kept trying to bait him into
something and I almost got him. And when I threw
when I threw a shot at him, he you know,
he he moved out of the way to shot, but
I had over extended my arm right And it was
funny because we had to stop fighting. We had to
(12:08):
stop sparring. But one of the trainers goes, yeah, but
you look good though, man.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You go to boxing matches.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah. I love listen as many as I mean, you know,
as many as many as I can watch. I try
to wow, you know, Mike Bent a lot of times,
you know him. And I have another friend of mine,
Jonathan Burdachelli, whose father was a check this out. His
father was a pro fighter in Italy during the war.
(12:43):
And I was working on one of Spike Lee's movies,
A Miracle at Saint Anna, which was about you know,
the war and the Buffalo soldiers.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yes, yes, And I had a.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Party at my house one night and all of these
people came up to my studio and this actor who
was there, he had come up to the studio and
I was showing him some of the movie and Jonathan,
he got really emotional, and I didn't I couldn't understand why,
and I asked him later on, I said, well, what's
going on? Man? He said, Listen, he said, Me and
(13:14):
my brother got emotional watching those scenes because our father
learned how to box from Joe Louis when he was
a Buffalo soldier stationed in Italy.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah. Yeah. So me and Jonathan Man, we're still good
friends to this day. We you know, we have a
we have like a group of us, you know, we're
a text when there's a fight on or something goes on,
something controversial happens with you know, on our phones, trying
to keep in touch with each other.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I love that. It's good to have peeps that are
into what you're into. It helps you live longer man
a community.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, you know what. The other thing too, It really
makes you appreciate what you do for a living, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yes, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Start when you start to communicate with other people who
are a percent in other areas and other fields, you
start to see that level of dedication would kind of
remind it kind of reminds you of how much time
and effort you put into your thing, you know, matter
of fact, you know when when when I'm when I
would be sparring with Mike Bent and he would catch
me or hit me how to get a little discouraged
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just because of my competitive nature.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And the pain right in the pain.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And he would always have to remind me. He said, hey, bro,
you don't see me on the band stand with you.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Do you. Oh so you're in his You're in his
world now.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right, But I'm living.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Man, I get it. Is there a professional boxer that
you feel has the best boxing style right now?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh? Man, it's hard to say. I mean, you know,
because some of the guys that I've always loved, you know,
Antonio and Michael Barrero was one that he's retired now,
but he was like a really compact fighter. His technique
was like and impreccable. Man, I'm thinking of one guy.
I'm looking right at his face. I can't think of
his name right now, but I used to love him
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because he was so slick. He'd always look like he
was a little out of shape, but when he would fight,
he always had a way of being prepared, but he
made it look like he was non prepared, Like, for example,
if he would catch a punch he wouldn't try to
block it with his hand, he would block it with
his shoulder, and when he got close he was ready
(15:25):
to turn around home cuts you with a power shot.
Why can't I think of his name? I'm looking right
at his face. But all of those guys, Roy Jones,
all of those guys, I love, all of those guys.
Roy Jones was amazing because he kind of reminded me
of Ali in the sense that Roy was so quick,
he was able to make mistakes and with his defense
(15:47):
because he could get out the way right. But that's
what caught up to him when he fought Tolliver, because
you know, when you get a little older, the fraction
of a second that you lose, you know, just because
the age, it's a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's why boxing it is a young man's game.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, maybe if.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You were a professional boxer, who would you want to box?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well, I would probably want to box anybody who was
at the at the top of the game, you know.
But because it isn't and it's not a macho thing.
It's really because these guys are so masterful and the
way they could move around the ring, the way they
could set you up by doing certain things. Yes, I
mean like one of the things when I would spawl Mike.
(16:31):
It was always amazing to me because I'm standing right
in front of him, and i wouldn't know where the
punches were coming from because I can't explain it. You
have to see it. But his body motion, like if
he throws jab right, the way that starts is the
same way this starts.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Oh, so you can't tell what's coming.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, I mean it's it's no because his technique is great. Now,
some guys when they throw a shot, they're gonna wind up.
Do all this dad, those guys now. As a matter
of fact, I was in the gym one time because Mike.
Mike was there training the son of a friend of
mine who was turning pro and actually he just turned pro'
His name is Sean, Sean Sean Hemphield. He's a young fighter,
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and Mike was that training him. But there was this
dude who was musclebound, dude who wanted to get in
the ring with a heavyweight champion. And Michael's like, no, no, no, no, no,
I'm here for this guy. So he looks at me
and he wants to spar with me. And I knew
what was up because I knew I knew the guy.
I'd seen him before. But he's one of these guys.
He's got nothing but muscles, nobody fat or whatever, but
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he thinks he's a fighter and he's not. So I'm
sparring a guy and I trained with with with Mike Ben,
you know, and I know all of him. I've learned
all of his technique, keeping my hands in right. And
when I throw a jab, it starts from here. You
don't see my jab come here and then back. It
starts and just moves forward.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I see.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So I'm spawning with this guy and he's throwing all
of these wild punches, and I kept catching his punches
and throwing him back, and all of a sudden, over
in the corner, I could hear Mike Bent and some
other trainers giggling, like because I know this guy didn't
expect his gray head old man.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Did you hear him? Did you heard him tears?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I didn't him.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Okay, I heard them. When a boxer is heard him.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I heard his feelings probably most.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So yeah, yeah, his ego was bruised. I have heard
and I've seen when a boxer gets knocked out, they
are on the mat going what happened?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean Mike told me that. He said, sometimes
you can't. You don't. You don't feel it, you don't
feel it at all.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You just go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's like comes over and
clicks the switch. But you have to watch his fight
when he be Tommy Moore, you know, because it was
it was an incredible fight because Tommy kind of overlooked him,
you know, and Tommy came in really wanted to hurt him,
and Tommy would throw wild punches like this. You know,
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all his punches would come from way back here. And
when you do that, you know, guys who was skilled
can catch that and counter off of that. Right and man,
you know you see it. He hit this dude in
the first round and knocked him down. He won the fight,
I think, like in the first and second round or
something like that totally. And right after that, he thought
(19:37):
a guy named Herbie Hyde who was unconventional. Herbie Hyde
fought like this, kept his hands up instead of like this,
He kept his hands up like this, right wow. And
it was unconventional.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Palm forward wow.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, trying to you know, cover yourself, and it was
awkward for Ben, and he wound up knocking Ben out.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Wow. We're going to take a quick break and be
right back. Welcome back to the Uppity Knitter Podcast. We're
here with the remarkable Terrence Blanchard. So, really, boxing is
about an economy of movement. You don't want to stretch
out your limbs too much unless you know that punch
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is gonna land.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Exactly, because the whole thing is you're trying to You're
trying to protect yourself and hit not be hit. Right.
It's like chess. It's you know how in chess you
always make a move. Whenever you make a move, that
piece has to be protected. Yes, so it's a very
similar thing. You know, for example, when you throw a jab,
Look at my arm is right, that's the improper to
(20:46):
throw a jab. The way to throw a jab is
up here, so that your shoulders protecting your face.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Oh wow, I noticed that, but I didn't know why.
I thought it was just like, look look at me,
I'm cool.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Oh my gosh. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And it all happens in the split second timing.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, of course, you know all of it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
You know, I used to have a habit of throwing
my jab and then bringing my hand down here right,
proper thing to do. Throw your jab and bring me Yes.
And when I would bring my hand down, man Michael
popped me with the myth.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Let's see, I see you. You helped to score Spike
Lee's Mo Better Blues, And in it there's a scene
when Denzel Washington's character got attacked and he was hit
in the mouth and it ruined his ability to play with.
When you're boxing, do you ever fear getting punched in
the mouth?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, no, because you know, I mean, it is a concern.
And I used to. I used to wear this mask
that had a bar in the front to protect you.
That thing would make me hyperventilate because you start to
get claustrophobic. Oh but when we spar, you know the
way we spar, we spare shoulders down. No head shots.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Ah yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, well it's an unwritten rule in like in amateur gyms,
no uppercuts and no head shots.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Wow. Yeah, Okay. Do the do boxers normally obey those rules?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Or the good but you know what the great the
good ones do. It's it's always the guys who are
trying to prove something. See here's the thing about boxing
that I love that most people don't get. When you're
in a gym with pros and people who really respective sport,
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it's about learning. Everybody gets. I mean like it's amazing.
What can happen. You'll spar with somebody, somebody will watch you,
and they never talk to you while you're sparring because
you can get hurt. So everybody tries to distract you
while you're sparn But after it, people will pull you
aside and say, hey, man, I saw you know when
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you when you when you threw your jam, you should
faint and then come back and throw a jab sometimes
to throw a guy off his rhythm or any little
thing like that, you know. And it's always great because
people are always trying to learn and help other people learn.
It's the guys that really don't respect the sport that
come in with the macho attitude about oh I want
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to come in here and be the guy. Those are
the guys that wind up getting hurt. I saw that
happen in a gym, you know, where they wanted to
spark with this guy. And the guy that they wanted
to spart was a big guy and he was just
trying to get in some work, to work on his
defense or anything, you know. But this other guy came
in with a macho attitude and he threw a shot
(23:49):
at this guy and the guy counted and when he counted, boom,
he counted and clocked him on the top of his head.
And then he got.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Upset, oh, because he got hit in the head.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah he got. And I was standing right there and
he didn't. He got. Yeah, he got.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Clocks Wait wait, did he go.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Almost almost he was? He was closed, he was, but
it feelix was so hurt. Man, he got he got upset. Man,
I'll see what you did. Man. And we were all like, bro,
come on, man, you you threw a punch and a
guy just counted your punch. You're the one that went
after him, not that way. So those are the gym
(24:28):
rules that we all try to abide by. And I
got in the ring with the same guy right after that,
you know, and me and him went to no, no, no,
it was fine. Me and him went two rounds. And again,
I'm left handed, so and you know, I have this
gray head, so my speed is a little bit separate.
People don't think that I'm as quick as I am so,
(24:51):
you know, when I caught him with a jab, he said, oh, okay,
but it but it was a learning process for him. Well,
not to take anybody for granted.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Don't judge the book, my friend.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, not to take anybody for granted. So and then
for me, it was a learning process because the dude
had long arms.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Man, you know what I mean, quite an advantage, quite
an advantage.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I felt like I was swinging that air.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
He can reach you.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You can never get close to him.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, what do you do in your downtime when you're
not boxing and you're you're on the road.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
When I'm on the road, man, I'm I'm either like
research and stuff. You know, you see these this equipment
behind me. I don't. I don't have a tech person,
you know, so a lot of times I'm doing my
own studies, searching, learning how to program these things, you know,
trying to find out what's the next technology, or a
(25:46):
lot of times I'm sitting down, like you know, checking
out other people's music and and and the other thing
that I you know, I'm a big proponent. I was.
I'm kind of backed off it now, but I was
a news junkie, was my husband.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But okay, yeah, you sound like my life.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Sorry, maybe it's a uterus testical thing. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't know. Well, for me, I was just always
trying to stay current about what was going on around
the world, you know, I was just and because sometimes
you know, listen, you don't have this when we're traveling.
I was in Italy in the eighties when they bombed
the Roman airport.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Right, It wasn't a different news broadcast than you would
have heard in America, probably.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So definitely, definitely, you know, but it was also a
sobering thing that think that we had just come from
that airport, you know. Yeah, and then I've been in
I'd been in other airports that had been bombed by
terrorists and you.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Know, in Europe.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, and all of those moments are like very sobering.
So a lot of times, you know, I watched the
news because it is interesting. I'm glad you brought that up.
It is interesting about some of the news you see
abroad that you don't see here.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, yes, they have a different take on what happens
in this country than we report to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yes, very different take, you know. And it was an
educational thing for me a lot of times. But now,
you know, I'm so tired of what's going on in
Congress and everything in d C. So I can't. I
can't do it anymore because it seems like the news
is all about that as opposed to other things that
are happening.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Right, wow, Well you know what your your good friend
Spike is heavy into collecting art and other memorabilia. Do
you have Are you a collector of any sort art?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah? All right, not but but you know, me and
my wife whenever we can can, you know, we try
to make sure we buy a nice piece of art,
you know. And with our house in New Orleans, we
have a lot of art in that house. We have
a lot of friends, you know, CC Pounder the entrance Heck, yeah, no, CC. Yeah.
CC's a good friend, you know. CC. She's an avid collector.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Did not know that, do you? And she collected mostly
art from African Americans.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
We tried, I tried, I tried, But CC, man, she
can have multiple shows at major museums. That's how much
what yeah, is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I did not know that. Write down founder.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Her next look and look, and I know she probably
wanted to tell you this, but but it's it's okay,
because I just think it's important for people to understand
how much she loves art. She bought a house just
to store.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Her art, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
As and she she already has a bunch of containers
and storage facilities filled with art.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So she's a serious collector. And that's an investment for life, for.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Life, for life. But but it's it's for her. It's
a passion. I mean, like she really she really loves it.
She really loves when people coming up with different ideas.
And she wouldn't have been a great actress man, she
would have been a museum curio curia.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Wow. Wow, that's great to know. I did not know
that about her.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I love her look is ask one question about it
and just rotate.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, good to know she could go on right. I
read somewhere that you took a two year hiatus from
playing your trumpet in order to relearn how to correctly
blow your instrument. But what what was that like? And
what were you doing in those two years when you
weren't playing the horn like?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It was interesting because I grew up playing correctly, and
I said, my bottom lit used to get cut all
the time on the inside because I was rolling my
lip over my teeth when I was playing, which is
what you shouldn't do, and your.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Teeth began to cut your lip from the inside.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah. Wow, Look I've been playing with all Blake, can't
play with Loano. I was making records. This is in
the middle of my career. I was about twenty seven
years old when it when it when I had to
make the change. But it's funny how the good lawd works,
you know, because right is that happen, That's when I
met Spike, you know, and I had to do I
had to coach Denzil and no better Blues. So that
(30:19):
allowed me to you know, be his coach on the film,
you know, practice and still support my family. So that
was a big shift, you know. And I took all
of my time around that time just working on that
and making the change and making the shift. And I
haven't looked back since.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Wow. So you had to change the position of your
mouth when you put the horn to your lips so
that you wouldn't keep reinjuring that cut on the inside.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah. And the other part of it too was I
wasn't I wasn't having the type of flexibility that I
should have had. And once are you.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Exerc in your lips? Like how do you?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Oh? No, it's the way around, because it's like, you know,
you want to tighten your corners and you want to
have the ability to move from low to high on
the instrument.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Wow, just be trying to do that the right way.
It hurts. Just me thinking I'm doing it the right way,
that hurts a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Look, just tell if anybody wants to feel it, just
take a pencil and try to hold it in between
your lips, not your teeth, just your lips for five minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
No, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.
Do you do you share any hobbies or activities with
your your wife and kids? You have grown, young kids.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I got grown. I'm all of my kids are grown.
You know, my my son and my middle daughter, my
wife were all sports fans. Wow, huge sports fans. I
mean last night my wife just went to New York.
But last night we were sitting down watching the opening
of the NBA season. She's from d C. So she
was an avid Commander's fan back when they were the Redskins,
(31:58):
when they came to New Orleans to play the same.
I had season tickets. When they came to New wants
to play the same She would go sit on.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
The No, she didn't, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, and then wear redskins like jerseys. Yeah you know
you haven't seen those little those little helmets that people buy. Yes,
we have skins and the Saints helmet at the House
of New Orleans and they face each other.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I love it. Listen, you don't You don't box your wife.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Do you? No, she'd like to. She'd like to kick
my butt, for sure. There's a bunch of times I
catch up with that looking at.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Please dare and tell our listening audience, what is it
coming up for you? What projects do you have going
on in your life that we should know about.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well, you know, I just became the executive autistic director
at SF Jazz in San Francisco. Yeah, oh, you know.
I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So you have to live there?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
No, no, no, no, I'm commuting back and forth, you know.
But we have like a lot of great concert We
put on a bunch of concerts, you know, every every year.
As a matter of fact, I'm going up there tomorrow
because I'm introducing Michelle and Dye o cello. We have
other for four nights.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Please tell her that I am sending her my love.
I adore her. I adore her and have for many years.
She's amazing, she is.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And then we do a lot of different things over
the over the course of the years, so I'm looking
forward to that. And then we do a lot of
community engagement. I'm looking forward to working with our artists
and bringing kids to the hall so they can hear
these guys play, you know. Uh. And then you know,
I'm working on some new music from my band, you know,
with the E Collective and the Turlina String Quartet. Yes,
(33:49):
you know, there's a couple of projects that we're working
on right now. I can't really talk about them.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We'll look forward to whatever you got coming out next.
I appreciate having you hear Terrence. There's a segment of
our show that we like to call knit a What,
and it's where I asked my guests about something that
someone said or did that came to them as a
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shock or a surprise.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Oh my god, let me think about that as so
many things that have happened.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Just take your time. Let me tell you the story
about how this podcast came to be called the uppity knitter. Okay,
I was on tour with Michael Jackson and we were
home for a couple of weeks, and I decided to
go to the yarn store to re up my supply
to take out on the road, and I bought some
yarn and I saw a little knitting circle in the
(34:47):
yarn store, so I said, let me just sit down
with these lovely white ladies and just have a net.
So I sat down and the lady I was sitting
next to had she was knitting something I thought was lovely,
and I said, what is that you're knitting with? That's beautiful.
She said, oh, this is just cotton, you know. And
(35:07):
then she looked at me and she said, what are
you knitting with? I said, this is this is kashmere.
She said, oh, aren't you an uppity knitter? No, she
didn't exactly. I said what did you call me? Oh
my god, she said, I said knitter. And I'm thinking, bit,
(35:31):
you better pronounce some teas because.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, something like that happened to me with one of
my with some of my friends, we were out at
the restaurant in New Warnings one night. Man and this
this guy came over and he was drunk, you know,
he was, you know, and it's always it's always funny.
Oh no, I'm gonna tell you another.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Okay, you can tell me that one later too.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'm playing with my band, you know,
out and uh, we were in Wisconsin. I just said that.
I won't tell you what city, but we were in
Wisconsin and I've been at the time. My show was
really about gun violence, and I would speak on it
doing the show, you know what I mean. So after
(36:14):
the show, man, we're outside, we're all getting in the
bus to go back to the hotel. And the guitarist
in my band is white, and it was this white
guy standing in front of the entrance to the bus,
you know, blocking my way to get in. And I was,
excuse me, let me get around you, excuse me. I
gotta go, I gotta go. And he kept pointing to
(36:35):
the guitarist. He said, hey, man, can I talk to you?
And he said, yeah, sure, sure. Can you get out
of the van we were in the van. He said,
can you get out of the van to come? He says, no, no, no,
just talk to me now. And then he started talking about,
you know, you could take your liberal bullshit and shove
it up your ass, you know what I mean? Okay,
And I said, I said, hey, bro, you need to
(36:57):
move on. You need to move on. And I don't
know if you have saw that. There was this video
of this xbox up by in front of a bodega,
and uh, some guy was messing with him and another
guy kept saying, don't hit him Champ. Don't hit him Champ,
you know what I mean. So we had saw the
video earlier, kept telling the guy said, yo, man, you
need to you need to move on. So the bass
(37:18):
player and it was getting pretty tense, right, So the
bass player was like, don't hit him Champ. Don't don't
hit him Champ. So anyway, anyway broke up. It broke up.
The attention to made us laugh. The other story that
I was going to tell you was I was at
a restaurant with some friends, friends of mine, and we
were just sitting there having a good time, and this
white dude came. He walked up to us and he goes,
(37:42):
what does it feel like to pick cotton? Oh?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
No he didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yes he did, Yes he did, Yes he did. And
I wasn't right. And I was the first guy that
they grabbed, you know, like, no, Bro, I'm like no, no, no, no, no, Wow,
he's drunk, he's drunk. Just let him go on about
his business, you know what I mean. But I think
it's I just think that is just amazing. You know
(38:10):
how we experience these things in this in this world.
You know, that's that's still.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Mostly in this country, though mostly in this country.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Mostly in this country. You're right, You're right, because we don't.
We don't tend to celebrate our differences.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, like other countries do.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So before we go, I need you to say, Nita,
what in your best Nolin's voice.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Dom girl Knitter? What you heard?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I love it? Terrence, you are in absolute joy and
a pleasure to be with. Thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Man. Thank You've created a lot of beautiful music. Man.
I've always admired everything you've done.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'm trying to keep up with you. Man, I'm trying
to keep up with you. I want to be the
lyricist that you are, to do film with your trumpet
and your music, musicality and your melodies. That's what I
want to be.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You are you are trust me, I mean you know
trust me? You know we haven't worked together as much
as I'd like me either. You know that that doesn't
mean that your name hasn't come up many many times,
trust me.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
You know what I mean, so in a good way or.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Way. A lot of times. It's just a matter of resources.
You know how that goes.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I do, I do. I adore you, Terrence Blanchard, and
your lovely wife as well. Please give her my love.
Thank you so much, Thank you, thank you so much
for joining us on the Uppity Knitter Podcast. Celebrity Hobbies Uncovered,
a show where your favorite celebrities talk about their unusual hobbies.
Join us next time. See you then.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
The Uppity Knitter Podcast is brought to you by Black
Chick Productions. Show is hosted by Sayi to Garrett.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Our producer is Eric new Reed, and we're recorded and
edited by Felicia Morris at Marris Media Studios in Los Angeles.
Special thanks go out to our friends at iHeartMedia and
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