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But to you rise, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I haven't seen you. Grayson's sidelines. The playoffs has been insane,
eye popping, wowing. I mean, did I leave out anything shocking, surprising?
But it's been great, you know, at the same time,
But you know, and what I like about is that
you're not going and you didn't come into the playoffs saying, oh,
this team's the favorite. We already know they're gonna win it.
(01:24):
Let's just get to it. It's like you're not sure.
It's like you can ask someone who do you have
winning this series and you can say this team, and
but you can turn around now you're like, I'm not sure.
I'm really not sure now just because of the play
the parody I love. I love the product that we're
seeing we have and what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
What say you?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I feel the same way. I'm like, shoot, this is
wide open and that's exciting. It's entertaining. I am entertained.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think you know.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I've been on the sidelines for you know, Sideline, reporting
on a number of these games, and coming into the playoffs.
The one team that I thought, Okay, yeah, you know
they're in for a long run it was the Bucks
and so with their early exit, I mean, this thing
is really wide open. You've got a bunch of teams
like the Warriors, for instance, starting to look healthy, starting
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to get that momentum, you know, and also their championships
pedigree always helps. You've got fantastic individual storylines like Jimmy
Butler's heroics. So the heat against the Bucks, which was
a series that I was on the sidelines for and
was very great and amazing to see these games up close.
So I think it's an exciting time for playoffs and
(02:38):
we should just jump right onto it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You ready, Vince, Yeah, let's do it all.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Right, Well, let's talk about what's going on between the
Celtics and the seventy six ers, because another team that
had been strong through most of the season had a little,
you know, stumble a little bit, but then finished strong
as well. It was the Celtics, and we were all like, okay,
that's right, And now the Celtics are just played Game
one against the seventy six or six ers did not
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have joellenbid but they did have James Harden, and so
James Harden went off for a forty five piece playoff
career high big buckets, clutch buckets at the end, way
more impact than the fourth quarter than you know, the
Jason Tatums and the Jalen Browns and the Celtics kind
of struggled to close this game out.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But first, just how much does it mean?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And what do you take from the fact that without
Joel Embiid the seventy six Ers go on the road
and then steal game one from the Celtics from Celtics.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, very surprising. I mean, I think we all said
no Joe ellenb. We all meaning you know, a lot
of the media outlets, no Joel andb. Celtics act home.
They struggled finishing off the Hawks, which was concerning to
me being that you know, you look at Bucks not there.
(03:55):
They have a path that they come and, you know,
lock in and take care of business. And they ended
up taking care of business. But you know, I feel
like they stumbled to the finish line. They did what
they had to do, but they stumbled to the finish
line in that last series. To get to this series
with the Sixers waiting and having some rest, I thought,
giving the six that was huge for the Sixers to
close out their series, to have them prepared for a
(04:19):
very tough series, which I still think it will be
a tough and competitive series, but no Joe L and
B which was there's some of the wowing and eye popping,
the eye popping side of it because who knew that
this injury was as bad as its turning out to be.
So now we're like, okay, well six sixers are going
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to have a tough way. Who's going to kind of
hold down the fort in the middle. Who's going to
really step up and give them the offense that they need?
I thought, Maxi is very capable, even Harden is capable,
but it's just enough against the firepower that the Celtics
has has And yes it is And James Harden shout
out to James Harden first, first, and foremost because he's
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been crucified for playoff performances in big moments, not just
performances in big moments, and I thought, this is a
big moment game one, not even if they win or not.
It's the approach. Would he shy away from the spotlight
being the go to guy And here's a guy that
has taken a backseat, if you would to being the
(05:24):
go to guy taking the shots he wanted, however, he
wanted to play to being a facilitator and scoring and
being dominant when you needed him to do so. And
he looked around and said, they need me to be
that that Houston Harden, and he brought that out and
he got it done.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Break that down.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, that's so, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So for three quarters, James Harden is seeking out the
matchups he wants, gets to his one on one move
whatever go to getting to the lane or shoot the three. Okay,
that's the thing. That's the theme for three quarters. Typically,
fourth quarter is when it's winning time and its adjustment time.
That's when you make your end game adjustments to go
for the win. And I thought the Celtics never really
(06:07):
made any adjustments. It was the same James Harden seeking
out Al Horford, James Harden seeking out whoever he wanted
to at the time, and they allowed him to play
one on one the entire fourth quarter without throwing bodies
at him. As at that point he's been the primary
guy getting shots. I'm making somebody else beat me.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Paul Reidham on the floor, you have PJ. Tucker on
the floor, you have other guys. Let the ball find
those guys and if we're gonna lose, now, We're gonna
lose to those guys who had an amazing fourth quarter
instead of James Harden, who's already in rhythm. He's a
great facilitator. He's proven that, he's shown that all series,
I mean all season. Well, he's gonna have to be
that great facilitator in the fourth quarter because we got
(06:49):
to take something away and I thought the Celtics never
took anything away from the Sixers in the fourth quarter
to win the game, particularly when they have a great
opportun tunity with no Joel and B on the floor.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So what what can a team do in that situation? Vince?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Where you know you actually had James Harden postgame saying
that you know he was reading the situation and he
was coming on in real thing. I'm one on one, Okay,
I can get to my spot and raise up. But
if he's out there actively seeking a switch for a
certain player. Let's say it's Al Horford and James is
actively like, keep bringing the screen until he gets them
(07:28):
on him. What what can the Celtics do in that
situation to avoid giving James, you know, the target that
he's looking for.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So if I'm the guy Garden, James Harden and I
know they're trying to put Al Horford, who's my teammate,
in the pick and roll. At some point, I'm gonna
send him over the screen like we do. Instead of switch,
we're gonna put two on the ball. I'm gonna have
Al Horford jump the screen, be aggressive on the on
the screen, push James harder further out from the basket,
and we're gonna double team. Now that pass, you have
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to find somebody make a long pass. Hopefully it's an
airpass where my weak side guy can get steals opportunity
like that, but we're gonna push him away from the
three point line as far as far as possible to
make those passes a little tougher. He's gonna make the
right read. You could tell he was patient. He'd get
down there and you just saw he's like, nope, wait,
slow down, let's just see how they're gonna play this.
(08:17):
And like you said, Ross, he comes off, he got
the switch. Wait, it's one on one. He goes into
his package. And you can't allow great players great scores
or even on the defense. You can't allow great players
to continue to see the same dose of one style
of play or defense. They're gonna pick you apart. And
(08:38):
I thought that's what James Harden did. He knew what
was coming. He knew, like you said, he knew what
he could get every play, and he did.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, it was never an adjustment. It was never out
of a time, out of surprise, trap or something like that.
It was just kind of like the same old song.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
What I'd like to point out about James is this
has been a season of sacrifice for him.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
All season long. He has been willing.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
To sacrifice, whether that was taking less money and allowing
you know, the Sixers to fill up the roster, whether
that was coming in in better shape, whether you know.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And he's talked about.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It, understanding his role at this point of his career
with this team and deciding, hey, I can be the
guy that's going to get us into an offense. I
can be the guy that's going to feed Joel and
b that's our MVP. I know that, and then I
get in in the pick and roll or wherever else
I fit in. It has been a season of sacrifice
(09:31):
and him now also understanding that all right, Joel is out,
we need to strike, we need to steal something on
the road, and him stepping up in assert of aggressive
scoring way.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I was happy for him, you know, like good for
him to be able to pull that out.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And he talked about all the different ways that James
Harden can exist in today's game.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And I want to add one thing.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
You know, everybody's like, you know, like I even said
in the beginning about you know, his history and not
showing up in games, but it's kind of been the
series in general, you know. So this is one game,
and this is a great start. It's a great start. Yeah,
it's a great start, but it's you know, it's kind
(10:13):
of been. He's been big for two, three, four games.
But when it came down to crunch time, you know,
you know, that's when kind of the the complaint, if
you would, about James showing up.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Was the issue. But I like, I like his approach.
I like how he came out, he got Game one.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
They have control of this series, and what it's done
is brought him, brought the Sixers time with getting Embiid
healthy because of the one obviously you feel good about
James Harden and the way he played, but two, you
gotta win. So now you kind of are in control
of the series and you can you don't feel rushed
if you need I mean, yes, you want mbid back
(10:52):
because like he said, he said, no, we're here to
get get two games, not just one and be satisfied.
So I like where his mindset is. It's just now
you need James Harden to do this for the series though,
just being aggressive whether you have Joel in the lineup
or not.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Man, listen, it was James after the end of the
the end of the game that was like, Hey, go
to the locker room.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
This you saw him. Yeah, this ain't Yeah, we ain't
win the series right right. I like it game.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
This is just one game. So I appreciated the mindset.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Before we move around to other matchups in the playoffs,
I want to go to the other side of this
one for the Celtics. How concerned are you about this
for the Celtics in this series? And also just they
came out, they came out strong, they were crushing it
to start the game. So like, what's up with the
Celtics and closing out games.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I don't know, like I said, And that's why I
brought up about closing out the Hawks in in Boston,
Like you think, and I like, you know, I picked
the Celtics to come out of the East in the
beginning of the year, and of course going into the playoffs,
I thought the Bucks were playing the best basketball.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But the Puffs are.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Eliminated and this is a great opportunity for the Celtics
if they can lock in. And they talked about it
to nauseum about you know, where they want to go.
They want to get back. They left business, you know,
they left some business undone. So I thought, you know,
they would crush the Hawks at home, close out game,
(12:23):
understanding how important it is to have your rest and
refresh for the next series for a guy like Joel
and be like, they didn't get it done. They let
it linger a little longer. Same thing here. I thought
they hit first. They looked like the team that was
ready to go because they've been played a little longer.
Maybe the six has been off a little bit because
they took care of business, but just didn't finish the job.
(12:46):
I think they got comfortable James Harden, you know, like
I said, had a great start. The Celtics had a
great start in themselves.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
But it's just like there was just the lack.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Of adjustments that was kind of mind boggling to me, Uh,
just getting to talk to coach Missoula his basketball mind,
his approach to the game, and how much he knows.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Like some people are like, oh, it's just lack of experience.
I don't know. Some I've played for.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
A culture too that were very prideful in their preparation
of the game plan for a series and some type
of a game. But let's just say for a series
and didn't waiver from that, like it was like, oh no,
we're gonna stick to a stick, to stick to the script,
and wasn't willing to change in game, which is the
(13:34):
most important part. And like I said, I'm not knocking whatever,
It's just it was just the reality. And we're we
as players sometimes on the floor, we want to make
the adjustments and stuff. Let's just all our switch. Let's
just not switch guard get through the screen. Because I
think sometimes with switching now to day's wise. Maybe you
agree with this, being that you sitting the court side
and you see it often when teams switch one through.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Five, you you get really lax on. You're switching. It's
like automatic.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now, guys don't even come together and you just switch
point switch, as opposed to when you see whoever, let's say,
whoever's Marcus Smart guarding Garden Harden and knowing that switch
because he's trying to get Al Horford. At some point
I'm saying, yeah, we're gonna switch. If Marcus Smart gets
laid out and he can't get through the screen, there's
(14:22):
your switch. But sometimes I'm telling Marcus Smart, no fight
through the screen.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You want to see that guard fight through the screen.
So now there is no switch because he's made the
effort to get through. And you see that often with
teams that just switch, and it just drives me crazy sometime,
particularly young teams, because when coach says switch, that's the
easy way out. So all I gotta do is make
sure my guy goes through the screen and I just
get under and switch with the next guy. And I think, now,
in these situations, I would have liked to see Smart
(14:51):
fight his way through that screen. And now it takes
Al Horford out. Now, if James Harden is scoring these points,
getting these one on ones, he's beating the you know,
the defensive player of the your type player, right, And.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You know, I feel like when I'm doing interviews with coaches,
they're always like, yeah, we're not playing with enough force,
there's not enough force out there, or it's just such.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
An overused term sometimes.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
And like what you're describing is what I feel like
the forces, you know, like you know, activity at the
point of attack, aggressiveness, ereran, tending a pick and roll
or coming together during the switch, you know, as so
that teams can't slip or roll on you. Like, just
the physicality and the touch points at every single action
on the court, and the concentration to be able to
(15:35):
fight through and do it over and over. And also
like physicality wears on the other team too, and like
that's the difference in the playoffs and and how a
half court set time after time again like seems to.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Wear on teams. So absolutely appreciate it. That like mindset
and viewpoint from you. You know, what do you think
it's like for the Celtics to.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Have a talented but like you said, young, perhaps less
obviously less experienced in this kind of playoff situation as
a young head coach in Missoula.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Do you think that how does that play out players?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, I'll say he's less experienced at the head coach,
but I mean he was there, you know, last year,
so he understands the moment. He's been there in the
in the rooms. It's just it's totally different. Let me know,
it's totally different when you're the head guy and you
have to pull the trigger on situations. But as a
I think the Boston Celtics want to play today regardless
of getting your rest. They want to play today because
(16:35):
they have to hear this. They have to hear you know,
the whispers all the time, and they want to go
out there and like, ah mannah, let's go erase this,
get that bad taste of the mouth. Because the performance,
it's one thing, and then when you look back on it,
you're like, we didn't give maximum effort. We're talking about
we want to get back to the championship. We feel
(16:55):
like we're good enough, we feel like we have super
duper stars on our squad that can get lead us
to back to where we want to go, and we
didn't deliver. So that alone makes you want to go
back and play the game over or play the next game.
Another note, Jaylen Brown took ten shots. Jason Tatum's your superstar,
(17:19):
but they had success because Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown
were dominating. So when you put all your energy and
efforts on one side, putting one or two guys on
Jason Tatum, you're like, God, Leeve, we gotta go over
here and now deal with this guy, or vice versa.
Because Jalen Brown at times was the one coming out
we see last series, he was averaging like thirty because
(17:40):
he was the one that was aggressive first, and then
it kind of made the game easier for Jason Tatum
and for him to have ten shots. Those guys, I'm sorry,
they should have the seventeen twenty shot attempts if you would,
because they create when they're aggressive, they create the open
shots for Al Horford in the corner that he down,
(18:00):
for Smart, for White, for all of these guys. They
create opportunities for everyone else because of their aggressiveness and
because of you know, their demand for multiple bodies in
their areas. So I thought that was another thing, only
not only on the defensive end. If you're gonna give
up that on a defensive end and not make adjustments,
you gotta utilize your two superstars at the end of
(18:23):
the game. I don't care unless market Smart, there's no
disrespect and it's not an unless Marcus Smart is having
a night.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I'm not throwing the ball to him.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You have two guys that you can throw the ball to,
and then we can debate who should have gotten that.
But maybe the play was to throw the ball in
the Smart, get a little action and you know, you
get your superstars on the move. Cool, but you know
it didn't work out that way. So that's why we
can We can say I'm putting the ball in the
Jay's hand. Pick your poison, Jason Tatum or Jaylen Brown,
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Speaker 4 (20:52):
Let's take a look at another series that everybody is
excited about.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Wait, man, which one? There's a couple of them.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
One now, one of these serious series is the one,
the one, the one on the one everybody is I
feel like if you're.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Six sons, I mean just kidding.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I was like, come on.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Overall, one of the ones, the series who Kids, you know,
the savor for for the for the legend conversations, you know,
the Lakers versus the Warriors, and you know, an opportunity
to still see high level competitive basketball going between two
of the generational players you know of all and Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'm not gonna let you go any further. I'm going
to ask you this question before we go any further.
I'm gonna ask this to you. Is it Is it
kind of? No, it's it's not a trick question, is
it kind of? I mean it's great to see. Would
you have rather seen this matchup in the Western Conference finals?
To me, like, no, that's a fact, that's a fact.
(22:03):
But just just imagine exactly the winner of this has
to go play another series and it's not going to
the finals.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's my thing, that's my thing. No, I get it,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Could we could have easily seen the Kings Lakers, which
would have been nice too, absolutely respect would have been
very nice to learn more about this up and coming
Kings team that's been strong all season.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
But from a hoop had.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Shout up to the Kings. First of all, we can't
not give them their props. They shut them out man
that like, like you said, coach of the year, couch
player of the year, like they were great. They earned
the number three seed, they earned it like a lot
of people didn't give them a chance, and they were
the number three seed and they made they made it
a series. They took it to seven. It got to
(22:51):
a point where it was just like, oh, this is
gonna be a a great ending, and then all of
a sudden, that guy they called Steph Curry, you know,
did Steph Curry things. So I just want to give
them a shout out because it was being a former
Kings player, it was fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I thought, like the the you know, the theme of
light the Beam.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
The fans got behind that, and I think that gave
them life to play for something, you know, and the
fans had something to play for. It was just it
was just cool to see. So shout out to them.
But anyway, shout out.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
To the fans.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Shout outs to the King's atmosphere electric, like even if
you weren't there, you could kind of almost it was
like feel.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It, feel it through the TV screen.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
The hunger and desire and pride of that fan base,
you know, to have their team out there and competing
at that high level.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Absolutely want to shout out the fans because they showed up.
They absolutely were differently differentiated themselves, very exciting.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But that man Stephan Curry.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You mentioned that man.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Stephen Curry fifty piece in game seven, And just let
me tell you.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
One thing I know about Stephan Curry.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
So like having been my career, like an NBA career
started with the Warriors, got to.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Cover you know him and Steve Kerr in their first
year together.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And on and continue to do it now nationally, like
this guy absolutely intentionally meant to come out there and
drop fifty and will this team to a win. Like
It's funny how when I go from team to team
and star player to star player as a reporter, or
going from game to game, and I see the different
approaches to greatness. Some people communicate it angrily, some people
(24:33):
communicate it with joy, like.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
The intensity, the consistency, the.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Activity of a star player, or how they ease into
it or immediately like kind of make it happen.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And Steph is such a competitor.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I've watched him over and over in clutch situations, bring edge,
bring fire. It doesn't show itself the way Draymond Green
might show fire, but his is so clear to me
that like he understands the moment and his role in it.
It's very exciting to see fifty piece in game seven
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was it's it's the delivering of expected and much needed
excellence from a star player. When we start the show
and we talk about star players across their career, what
have they done in playoffs? Steph has you know, been
that and right here at thirty five still doing that
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is so impressive. It's the consistency of it.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
What stood out to.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
You about Steph's fifty point game to send the Warriors
into this next round against the Lakers, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well, ROGI you said it like his you know, like
you said the different approaches of superstars, Well, Steph has
all of those. He can, like I said, he can
work his way into the game. He can start the
game off by just a flurry of threes or just
putting his markt in the game. He can do it
by smiles and enjoyment, or you can just see the
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level of focus where there's you know, there's a scowl
on his face. We heard this, we heard about this
speech before the game, or he just goes out there
and leads by example and doesn't say much because I
play with a guy Jason Kidd J Kidd and even
Dirt as well. J Kid and Dirt didn't say much
as far as verbal, the verbally in the locker room
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or on the court any timeout, but when they had
something to say, you knew, like okay, we need to
listen up. But that led by example. You know Jay
kidd led by example of his approach, how he guarded,
how he played dirt the same way. You know, when
he wanted the ball, you could see it in his
face or sometimes say that give me the damn ball,
like okay, he go, let it go do your thing.
And I think Steph has all of those guys you
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know in one in my opinion, because I've seen him
in playoff situations, I've playing him in regular season games.
I've just seen him in matchups where all of those
type of approaches that.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You mentioned he's done that.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He's taking those approaches and at the end the end
result was still the same, you know, getting it done.
So watching him just like I say, just he just
he did it in stages. Like one thing about Steph
that I really enjoys that he understands who he has
on his team and who he is, and they understand
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when he needs the ball. But like when Clay is rolling,
regardless of Steph having a good night or so so
night or needs to get himself going, He's like Clay
is rolling, I have to get him the ball. He's
such an unselfish superstar. He gets guys, or Jordan Poole
or whatever the case may be, Like he gets it.
When he was coming back, He's like, no, I'll come
off the bench. Jordan's rolling like whatever he was he's
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and I look at Dirk that same type of way.
It's just an unselfish superstar. And that's when guys understood
when he spoke up. When either one of those guys
spoke up, you responded or they knew to get Steph
the ball, guys set. I mean, how many guys in
the NBA history have you seen a team will say,
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you know, you would see a double screen, quadruple screen
like you're seeing sometimes like you're seeing all four guys
set the screen to get that guy open because of
his unselfishness, and they're doing they're willing to do whatever
to get that guy the ball because how he sacrifices
for the good of them.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And how about this too, Like we talk about Steph
and he's the greatest shooter of all time, but in
really critical games on the road here Game five and
Game seven in Sacramento, a lot of the damage he
did was from two you know, like, like Steph is
an incredible.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I mean, so how does that stand out as a
guy that's known for shooting? What makes it special that
stuff's so good in the paint as.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well understanding the dynamics of the game. When I first
started in the game, you had specialists, and I'm gonna
use his dad for instance. Steph Curry is great shooter.
His dad was a great shooter. But you never worried
about Dell beating you, getting getting into the pain we
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were taught when you're guarding Del Curry, you take away
his space and you make him drive. You understand I'm
saying like you now get guys like like Steph and
Clay is starting to do that a lot more as well.
We say take it, take away his space and you
want towos what Steph can kill you with a bunch
of twos because if his mid range ability, his layup package,
and it's obviously his ability to make plays, So you
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just have to It goes back to what I said
about hardened and garden superstars. You can't give them a
steady dose or diet of the same thing. You have
to try to confuse superstar players where you give him
a look for three or four times and when they
feel like, oh, I know it's coming, you give them
something different because you can't. You can't like I'll never
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say you close out short on Steph Curry. That's that's
that's stupid. Okay, I get it, But I will say
sometimes you close out all the way and you're physical
with them, you close out all the way short but
a high hand, or you make it like you're gonna leave.
You just got to give them different looks to where
they're kind of hesitant hesitant. Obviously, Steph is one of
the best pump fake to shooting threes there is since
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his dad, because that's where I learned and watched it
from playing with Dell.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Because Dell his ability a guy.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
He knew a guy was gonna close out to me,
he could pump fake just to get your hands up
and wait for your hands to go down and reload
and fire, and it was just amazing. I was like,
I gotta get that. I gotta get that shot in
my game. And it's hard to do, but you just
have to keep those guys off balance, keep them guessing.
I feel like that's the same way with Kevin Durant,
Lebron all of these guys, you can't play them the
same way every time.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
All right, So real quick, before we move on to
other topics, just on Stephan Curry every time, like he
has one of these big games, we come back to
a you know, a legacy conversation and where he stands.
I felt like a lot of the topics was is
he you know, is he the greatest point guard of
all time?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Is where is he in the overall goat conversation?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
So you know, Vince is someone who is a great
yourself and has seen generations of ball, Like, how do
you discuss Stephen Curry in these larger legacy conversations?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, first of all, thank you, but I ain't with
those guys. Those guys their next level, those guys the
next level. But to be considered, I appreciate it. Hey,
to be considered, I appreciate it, but uh, you know,
to me, I just I feel like the book is
still being written with Steph, you know, and I'm I
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want to see where he like when we were now
at the tail end, you know, I don't know how long,
how much longer he wants to play, but like I
want to give him some more time to see what
he's going to do before we just kind of yeah,
I think when it's all said and done, that's where
he's going to be. You know, we're so quick to win,
you know, like a situation like this, we're trying to
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place him somewhere. But I'm like, yeah, like wherever we
feel like he's going to be now, I mean we're
somewhat wasting our breath because you know, this is Steph
Curry who still has some good years left and it's
going to change again. So I don't know, I just
want to see where what it looks like in two years.
So now he's thirty seven, still shooting threes, So you know,
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I think he's up there. He's for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Where is he in your goal? I mean, is he
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
He's up there, He's in the time. Yeah, he's up there.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
He's up there with some of the greatest and you know,
and you know, everybody's like, after this series is gonna
you know, we'll see well nowhere. I mean I think
we know beforehand, like what else does he need to do? Yes,
if he wins a fifth championship. Now there's a conversation
about how much.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
More do you people need to see from seven Curry.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But that's what That's what I'm saying. So that's why
that's why I said what I said.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Like, he's because I feel I feel like how the
the goal post change.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Like at first it was like, all right, well.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Man, you know he need a KD for that championship
or da da da da. Well then they came back
and won the championship last year. Oh well, he's never
been the best in the finals. He's the finals MVP
with signature, signature games. Here we are redefining, you know,
we talk about the greatness of Lebron, redefining what longevity
looks like. Hey, Stephan Curry is having a longevity conversation too,
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And actually it's quite fascinating because they play two different games.
You got Steph running a marathon through a game at
age thirty five. That's a very different style of play
than perhaps some other players. You know, what does that
look like as you age and things like that, and
plus not to mention the physicality of his game and
the paint too. So I just think for Steph, like
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I constantly find myself like I don't know, and I
feel like sometimes if Steph has a less than perfect game.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
You know, they're right up there questioning legacy. But then
if you know, Steph.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Is just domination, and his will and desire carries and
permeates the team to to the to the toppest the
highest mountaintop.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You know, sometimes I'm.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like, what more do you need to see from stuff
to you know, properly address him as you know.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Absolutely ago And it's like it's like, you know, outside
of if one of those two guys win, wins a
fifth championship, maybe you're talking about up there echelon. I mean,
we're already you know, people were already having watch Watch
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
We're already having a discussion about Lebron, you know, being
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one of the one of the best to ever do
it with MJ. And I'm gonna say Kobe Bryant also.
So that's a different door, that step is opening because
right now, you know, people talk about MJ and Lebron,
I feel like we should also talk about Kobe as
far as the best to ever do it. But you know,
maybe that's opening that next door that you know that
a lot of players don't get to be talked about
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or I'll have a chance to open. Okay, fun but
as far as legacy, Like what What'm I mean like legacy?
Like I was hoping to get a chance to play
in one NBA finals, much less win one. He has
four them Like like now we're talking about greatest winners.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
He's I mean, he has four, That's.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
What I'm saying, Like I'm talking about I just wanted
to play in one, much less winning one. He has
four wins, you know what I'm saying. So it's just like,
so I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
When we visited, I do feel your answer of like
you know, there's still more to write here, but you know,
we're definitely deeper in the book than at the top
of it at this point.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
For Stephan, that's the fact.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
But okay, we got one more.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
NBA topic here, Hot one off the presses.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
So Sham's friend to the show is reporting on the
twitters that the Memphis Grizzlies have informed pending free agent
Dylan Brooks that he will not.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Be brought back. And here's under any circumstances, leave sources say,
Now that is dramatic. Under any circumstances, They're not going
to see Dylan Brooks back.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Immediate response from UBC.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Okay, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Not surprised, But under any circumstances, like I'm curious, like
is that that the word from the horse's mouth, under
any circumstances that we're not bringing them back, because like
I feel like a lot of us on the outside,
that's what we would say, like bring him back regardless.
Like so uh, you know, you hear people say it,
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like that's just what the people, that's what's being said.
Do I think another team will will will will pick
him up? Yes, yes, a lot of people do not.
If you go in comments everywhere, leave your comments in
our section for sure, we love to read what you think.
But I think at the end of the day, he's
a guy that he's he's everybody wants a guy that is,
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you know that you know, tough, pretty talent defender, you know.
I mean, I thought he got too caught up in
the matchup to where he lost his focus on the
offensive and on the defensive end after a while. And
I think, you know, for the Grizzlies, they're just you know,
they have they need they need some some veterans. So
(37:20):
is he the sacrificial Lamb. Maybe so, maybe so because
they need to keep that group together. I think what
they have in Bain, joh and Triple J is a
great start.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Absolutely. I really liked the core there, as you said
of Vane, John and Jaron.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
But let's break the conversation about Dylan into two segments.
His game and then the intangibles he brings. And would
love to get your thought process on how his game
affected the Grizzlies. You know, was there more value than less?
And then I'm really curious your thoughts. Did you think
(37:57):
that Dylan brought them toughness in a good way or
was he more of a distraction in a bad way?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And that's what I want both, a little.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Bit of both.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I think it's a fine lie because I think he
brought them toughness. You know, you have a guy that's
gonna go, you know, go out there and he's not
gonna back down from your superstar. You want a guy
he's not You understand, some nights you might shut a
guy down, you know, contain a guy. I'm gonna say,
completely shut the guy down. And some now that you
might get your head cracked to the white meat. And
I'm talking about like for real, for real, and but
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they're gonna still come back and be in the fight.
So yes, Dylan Brooks, that player is great for anybody's
team because you know that he's gonna go out there
containing and sometimes frustrate superstars, but sometimes trigger superstars. I
thought the off the court stuff is what hurt the
team in general, because I said it before and I'll
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say it again if I'm the other team, I don't
care who we're playing against, but particularly the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
You you directed.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Your your hate or your whatever, all of your your
words at Lebron James and Lebron this is not just
like any superstars. You didn't direct to that Anthony Davis.
Yeah he's a champion, bah blah blah, but it's not
Lebron James, and Lebron James has accomplished so much and
Lebron Lebron James had his cavalry down to go after
you as well. So it's not like you said something
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and it's kind of a back and forth between one
or two guys. It was personal for everyone, and what
that did, it made it locker room buleboard material. So
we're not just like, oh man, he talking about the
Lebron go go after it. That's what we're talking about.
That was the narrative. But the bigger picture is Dylan
Brooks's face is on that bulletin board every day and
they go they like every day leading up to that game, like, oh, bro,
(39:41):
you you think it's just you and him, No, it's
you versus us, Like that's kind of how it wasn't
And you saw, yeah, you see Austin Reeves like, nah, bro,
like we wanted to go have his back, like he
said it in a nice way like that just told
me everything. They everybody like, Bro, you you fired at everybody.
So we all coming back strapped and ready get you know,
to get with it. So I think it just made
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you like, yes, you did poke the bear, but you didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
You didn't just poke mama bear. You poked the family.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And and I thought you could just see how the
intensity how fired up from and one from Lebron every
like it was a shot. It was a great shot
for Lebron, but who it was against the situation? Oh
you know, if I'm up on Lebron, I just sent
him left. Not only did he beat him off the dribble,
he went left like he was gonna do he finished
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he got the end one, everybody went crazy like they
were the one that scored that shot. So I just
think things like that, particularly in the playoffs. If that
was a regular season game, it's easy to talk that junk,
to go back and forth because it's one game. You
go on to the next city and you move on.
But this is a series. This is a playoff series
where you see the same team again, and that's what
it built up, and you got to sit with it.
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And and on the other side of it, you hear
a lot of former players like Matt Barnes.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean, I mean this lodge list of guys that
had to say and I feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
You can't go to the media to create this narrative
to get your point across. And when you don't win,
don't talk to the media. You don't talk to the
people that you use to create this narrative. You gotta
face it. John mort said he was good in the
West and what he said, yeah, I said it. Yeah,
I gotta stick with it. It's all good. I take
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my licks. Dylan Brooks has to do the same. You
gotta take your licks, man, Like you're using the media
to create this narrative to be or create whatever you
want to be cool. If it doesn't work out, you
gotta face the music. Bro face the music. And I
think the Grizzlies we're seeing now didn't want to deal
with that because it backfired when they had a goal.
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They felt like they were very capable of coming out
of the West or competing for the West, however we
may feel as fans in media, they felt that and
I think that was a distraction that kind of made
everything go left.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Yeah, it just it was it was too much to overcome.
And I think it actually speaks volumes about Lebron James too,
in the respect and loyalty that his young teammates had
for him, for their og, for for for their vet.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
For their leader, for their you know, for their vote,
and they had his back.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
You know, there's a lot of star players where, you know,
there's a couple of star players where they might not
get that.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Same loyalty of their teammates.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
But Lebron had that respect and it showed in how
they fought for him too.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
And his response his response to it after oh what
he said, he said, brouh, I'm not gorried about that.
I'm ready to go play. I wanna go this and
getting done when they got their butt kick. Well after
that game or in the media, he's like, I'm not here,
I'm ready to play. I'll be ready to play. That
told me everything about Lebron. Once they got their butt
kick going into what game six? They finished the sixth,
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he's like, I played like crap, I'll be ready to play,
and I believed it, and that was the motivation he
needed because Lebron did not look great.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
He looked super tired early in the series, and everybody's like,
wait a minute, but you gave him new life. You
gave that man new life. Like you know, he gonna
make sure he may go to bed at midnight or whatever.
Guess what he probably went to sleep eleven thirty. He
slept he you.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Know, my mom said, used to tell me, you gotta
go go to sleep fast, sleep fast because tomorrow's coming quickly.
He made sure he slept fast and he was ready
to go. He got in that cryo, he got that
in that chamber and he's like, oh, oh, you want
to see what what does look like? He asked for
forty They got beat by forty, so you got what
you asked for.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
All right, Vince, all right, we're at the end of
the show here, it's a time for a little story time, okay,
So we're gonna take you down through memory lane here
because before we go.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Master P, what's up? Master P went on the show
and he.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Told the story about playing playing in Toronto with you
and t mac So.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Like, how was that and what was his game? Like gaball.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
It was interesting.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
So we're a young team in Toronto and we are
trying to establish ourselves and do you know, do our
thing make a name for ourselves as an organization obviously
and as individuals, and we bring Master PN so like
everyone else, you know, like your question, we asked the
same thing. Can this guy play you know, his music?
(44:38):
He's one of them, you know he and this is
a time where he's still he's major. So it was
it was a lot of a lot of talk around
around this and he comes in and you know, I
saw where he was talking about, like the rookie Haysen,
and he didn't he wasn't doing all that, which is
I get it. I mean he was already a superstar established.
(44:58):
But my thing, I think the majority of us on
from where I took it he had already tried out
with the Charlotte Hornets, so he'd already gone through a
year of you know, of the rookie hazen. He didn't
make the team, but he you know, he had already
gone through that, so we didn't really look at it
as a rookie. It was just like, here's this guy,
master p who made him say coming in trying to
(45:21):
play basketball, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, it
was it was interesting he could play basketball.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
But like.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
I mean, he didn't make the team, so I mean,
it's easy to say, no, he wasn't, but he could play,
you know, to you know, was the NBA basketball you know,
it just at that time, it's like who was he
gonna beat out?
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Was the question at the time. Like, you know, we
had I don't know, we had a lot of young talent.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
But the buzz around let me tell you something, the
buzz around having Pee was crazy in itself when people
like I don't think he played the first preseason game,
but we were going to Dallas and we're gonna play
as close to Louisiana. We're gonna play a preseason game
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in Dallas, and I think it was at reunion. Oh
real that I show my age reunion reason, not even
where they are now. And the people that came out
for that game was insane, insane to see Pee get
on the court, and I mean you it was who's
who of rap artists. He thought you were seeing a
(46:36):
rap concert. But it was just the support that he
was getting from both sides, curiosity and.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Support all in one.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
And you know, Pe got out there at first, and
you're just like, I don't know, but like, here's a
man who's accomplished so much, been doubted, and you know
he survived. He didn't, you know, he and Tank, but
master P made his mark when we played the Vancouver Grizzlies,
and I wish I knew the player's name.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
He probably doesn't want to be named, and I understand why.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
But when you're talking about a guy going into another
sport and he gets the best of you, and this
is not what he does on a daily basis, obviously,
he was trying to make that another profession, his profession,
his new profession. If you would like Michael Jordan going
too baseball. They didn't want Michael Jordan hitting home runs
off of them. That's just I mean, come on, like
you play basketball, you coming into baseball. So P finally
(47:24):
gets in the game, people are going crazy. We're you know, preseason.
He is picking up somebody full court. He's trying to
cross P over. Master P steals the ball from this
guy gosh, I was to remember his name, steals the
ball from him at half court. Okay, there's nobody between
master P and the guy he stole the ball from.
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P goes stops a three point line and pulls up
for three, nobody on it, and makes it.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
We're going crazy. I hope there's video of that.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Is so long ago, like we're older, so you know,
they might not be good video for it. But I
heard the guy got cut at night, like right after
the game, and like I said, yeah, it's just and
P worked hard. He bought into it. It wasn't no
a master P, you know recording superstar. He bought into it.
But we made sure. Like he said about dunking on
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him whatever that I don't know about trying to dunk
on him. Like I wasn't afraid of dunk on anybody.
I was gonna get filed, you know, by anybody. I
was getting filed by some of the biggest men you know,
shock on down. So that wasn't the thing. But we
were going hard at him because guess what. Guess what
the reality was everybody who we played against when p
stepped on the court, they were gonna do the same
to him. So and he was he was playing the
(48:36):
point guard position. So it was just I think it
was just different for him, Like everybody, you know, just
think like if you're going out there to try to
play right now, roz in the w n A, guess
you're gonna be a target. Everybody's gonna come after you
because you're stepping in and you have played to play
the game. I'm saying, but that and that's what it
was for P so and it was like that for us,
so you know, and he didn't back down. He wasn't afraid.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
He talked his junk and all that, like that's Pete
like you if y'all know Pete, Pete talk is jump now.
And that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
But it was a fun time, like he could play,
he could play a little bit. I'm not sitting here
and saying like he should have been in and and
as we all get cut, we all feel like we
should have made it fine. But he competed man, he competed.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
It sounds like there's a lot of respect there for somebody,
you know, at the peak of their craft and one
in one game and another game and try to give
that and try to see what he could shake it
up and make it happen with the NBA side, all right,
but he wouldn't real fast.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
At one point we thought that he was going to
make the team, like he was the last cut, Like
it was I saw article he was the last cut
before they cut him. So it's like, you know, it
was kind of I guess shout out to Antonio Lane.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
It was between you.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I think Master P and Antonio Lang were the kind
of two guys at that time, and like he just
missed making our team that year. So like, yo, for
however you feel about him, he was a up. He's
a decent player, he was.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
I mean, if you're almost if you have an opportunity
even yeah, for the league, like you're a good player,
you know, like overall all right, but he wouldn't be
the only musician that has had hoop dreams.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
We've seen it with you know, Drake warming up with
Kentucky or Quavo.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
You know, was a regular at the celebrity basketball tournament games.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
And all this and that.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
So, like, which music artist in your knowledge of this
is the best hooper in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Well, the ones that I've seen live, Brian mcnight had
Everybody laughs when I say that. But Brian McKnight had gay.
He was a shooter.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
I've seen two chains play uh wow, wow wow wow.
Back in the day.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Used to be in my basketball camp, so I got
to see him every day play bow Woe had game,
uh Romeo Pece Sun had had some game. Silk the Shocker,
his brother had game like he could play like he
never had the chance. Obviously he had the chance, but
we felt like Silk was just it's capable. And lastly,
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I think a lot of people know about about this
guy Chris Brown. Chris Brown has game. Yeah, you know,
so there's some Those are some of the guys that
I've seen live, seen play live that I'm like, all right,
he got some game, like, you know, if he tried
and put some time into it, possibly, you know, like
I said, I felt Silk possibly had a chance. Chris Brown,
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you know, it was pretty darn good. And then there's
also this guy by the name of Prince. People don't know.
People don't know that. You know, if you remember Dave
chappelle skit about playing Prince, like that's the real thing.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Prince had game.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Prince was one of was minnes one of Minnesota's all
time leading scorers back in you know, in his high
school days, so he could play. And I've had some
conversation with Prince. It's funny. It's not a flex.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
I had a nightclub in Toronto. Shout out the inside,
Shout out the Travis.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
Wait wait, wait, there's so much happening here. Wrins friends,
and you have a nightclub in Toronto. So you are
a nightclub owner.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Inside Inside Nightclub. Shout out to the inside, Shout out
to Toronto Inside Nightclub. A business partner, Travis Segresti, we
uh we we went into business as a playoff, was
still a player and had some some pretty interesting nights
and some some cool people come through, uh come through
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through the club.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
You know you're one of the first. Absolutely absolutely yeah,
it was. It was, it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
It was definitely the place to be. I mean, we
we we started we started Bottle Service our club inside
in Toronto. We were one of the first to start
this way back then, which is a regular here in
the States, which you know, it's like that's unheard of.
And it was like, I remember, like why you couldn't
order a bottle and have it at your table. You
can buy a bottle and they pour the drinks for you.
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But we changed the game a little bit. So I
was proud of that, had it for a long time.
But one day we're sitting in the office and one
of our security guys at the front door is like, yeah,
Prince wants to come into the club. So Prince, Like,
how many princes do you know outside of Prince Felder
(53:38):
and Prince So I'm like, you mean, like the logo
you know he was at this time. He was the
logo he was around that time, and it was like, yeah, Prince.
So it was the weirdest thing. And you know, if
you think about Michael Jackson and Prince, these are two
of the people that I know that wherever they go
around the world. I mean you see Internastley look on
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video and people would out to see these people like
they are like, you know, echelon of iconic superstars and
geniuses and just kind of whatever. So he come up
and you know when it just got weird for me
because it's like, all right, he said, yeah, he wants
one of the VIP areas, but he you know, he
wants to light dim down. So I'm like, okay, all right,
(54:22):
but it makes sense, I guess. You know, if it's bright,
everybody sees you. People go crazy. You can't enjoy yourself.
So it kind of made sense. And Prince came in
like he was he was in his bell bottles and
you know, like Prince like he was Prince like you
know what I'm saying, Like he was dressed like Prince
if you know what I'm saying, slick back and all cool.
So you know, so we're sitting there talking in there
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and it's like, you know, you think of Prince and
you know, you think of the pitch where he sings.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
He sings al to soprano. He's up there.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
You know, he has a high pitch and he talks
of like a deep baritone, like you know, like deep
voices like man, it's crazy. And the cool thing about
it is like I had to ask him, like okay,
so you're you and what why are you here? What
makes you want to come to Inside nightclub in Toronto
because he was dating. He was taking a lady there
(55:11):
who was I don't know where he found her, Like unbelievable,
that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
She's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
That's just the fact that she's unbelievable. But he's print
so it made sense. But I'm like, what makes you
come here? He's like, he said that he heard about
our club and he had to see it for himself
and Travis and I was just like, that's what's up.
Because we didn't do any promoting, and we didn't promote
on the radio. We didn't promote like do ads on
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the TV. It was all word of mouth and we
had proteins that would come in and you know, to
do things. So he heard about it, so he had
to come in. So Prince is now sitting in our
VIP and you know, and I'm like, this is Prince's
a matter of time. People are gonna lose their freaking
mind because we didn't say, oh, Princes in the building.
We didn't do anything that he asked. Not too cool.
It's just you know a lot of security dark in there.
(56:00):
So we're talking and like he was like, I had
to come see it. So I'm like, okay, cool lo
and behold this. One girl finds out and she's trying.
So we have where I'm sitting. I'm sitting here, Princess
to my right, and it's bamboo protecting the VIP's a
raised VIP. The dance for is back there, so you
can technically see through the bamboo sticks. She is trying
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her best to rip the bamboo sticks apart, but you
can't just break bamboo like that. That's why we had
it there. She's trying to rip it apart. I'm over here,
like what is going on?
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Right?
Speaker 2 (56:31):
I was like, bro, you and Princess Prince is just
sitting there like, yeah, man, this is a great place
you have here.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
This is awesome.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Like he did not flinch. He did not flinch, And
I'm just like, she's freaking out. So like that video
of seeing people passing up for Michael Jackson and Prince, like,
I'm seeing it live. So our security finally, after like
five ten minutes of her trying to rip it up,
they pick her up and they're escorting her.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Out and she passes out. Prince, I love you.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
I was like, You're the greatest. I love you, Oh
my god, and boom passes out. So he they're carrying
her up over the over the head and she's basically
like a dead body. Oh my god, just like she's
out passed out.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
I was just like whoa. And he never flinched, never flinched.
I was just like wow.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
And it was a norm for him, like you know, yeah,
we get a lot. So it was just unbelievable to
see a guy.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
Like this liability bullets. You were over there like oh lord.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, like oh Lord, Like, well, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (57:31):
He like Travis is like he's sitting there with his
mouth dropped and I'm like, yo, bro, do you see this?
Like and it was just a cool thing. He invite
us us to a concert because I had never been
to a Prince concert. I listened to him, but like
die Hard, I wouldn't go that far. But I understood
why when I was at his concert, Like it was
hit after hit after hit. So it's like seeing him
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in the intimate setting in the VIP not flinching to
going up here in the middle of an arena rocking
at three nights in a row, blah blah blah blah.
And then he comes back a second time, just to
hang out to say what's up, appreciated thanking us for coming.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
I'm like, no, thank you, like for this experience. So
it was just it was insane. Inside was to.
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Get out of here Venso that was but get out
of here.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
It was cool because because we got to conversating about
what we wanted to do is create a small venue,
so five thousand seat arena for intimate concerts and and
and you have your concert and then we're gonna shuttle
bust people back to the club and just do it.
Just do it real big for artists and and fan experience.
And you know, ended up getting traded and moving on.
(58:43):
But Prince said, whatever you need me to do, I
will do it. You need artists. If I call artists,
they'll do it. We're like, okay, bet like that. That's
that's easy. We don't have to call artists. You just
got to call Princess like, hey, can you get whatever club?
Like Alicia. I remember, I just don't know why. At
least he was one of the guys that I could
artists that I remember. He's like, yeah, man, I call
(59:05):
these they'll do me a favor and I create and
he wanted he wanted nothing from it, just to see
it boom because he appreciated, you know, the club that
he had a good time, you know, just being a friend.
It was just insane, crazy, long story short. We moved forward,
Prince Dies and you know, it was just like crazy.
(59:29):
And my second year, i want to say, my second
year in Atlanta, we're in Minnesota and we're going. We're
there a couple of days. We go to visit his house,
the museum. His house is the museum. For those who
don't know that. You get a chance, you're in Minnesota,
please go visit his house. It's unbelievable. So when he
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first passed, When he first passed, obviously it was breaking
news and they talked about he had this vault. In
this vault, he had albums on top of albums on
top of albums that he'd recorded that he never dropped,
on top of all of this stuff that he wore, like, oh,
I'm just gonna put it out here, keep safe. So
they're they're itemizing all of these items that's in in
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his vault, and the first hundred items come out publicly
and somewhere in there, my buddy Travis sends it to me,
He's like, hey, did you see this? I was like, okay, yeah,
his list cool and he had it circled and said
Vince Carter single. It's like, what, so Prince had made
(01:00:39):
a song. I don't think see name, but it's like
they had Vince Carter singles. So that was one of
the first hundred items that they saw and you know,
and it had a single. So I'm like, bro, what
and you know, so sort So we go take the
visit to the to this house and everything, and I
do one of those hey, how you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
My name is Vince Carter? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I know Prince has a ball and I had you know,
I was told that he had a sing I didn't know.
How do you like, how do you ask these people?
It's like, you know, I know, like yeah, cool, cool
story bro. But I'm like, you know, Prince made a
single about me. I just wanted to see, you know,
who can I contact? I just want to hear it.
Like I wasn't asking for it. I was just curious,
(01:01:21):
like what do you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Have to say? What I just wanted.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I was like, you can put me on the you
can play it over the phone. You don't have to
give me the actual single. I just wanted to hear it,
and I never got the opportunity because I thought they
were like I felt like they were like, yeah, okay,
let me go contact somebody. And I never heard from it,
so maybe, you know, one of these days I'll go
ask it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
So I never heard it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
But it was just like cool, like and all of
a sudden, pictures Prince when he performed, he had my
jersey on, he had my home and my purple jersey on.
Uh he wore a couple of times, which was kind
of dope and I had no clue. So, yeah, that's
my Prince story.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Wow, that is an incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
So rest and Free to the legend man, Rest and peace.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
That's one for the kids. That's one for the grandkids.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Very cool, especially if I can hear the single.
Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Yeah, yeah, let's let's uncover that. Man. Let's see who
can help us with that. But if you get to
let me know who that goes. VC. That was a
great way to like finish. Yeah, it's nice to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Always always. I know you're busy, but we got to
do this more often.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yes, sir, I'm in New York right now. We get
ready for heat.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Next Yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
I got Sons, Nuggets. Let's see if the Sons can
get back on tracks stay down. Oh two, so let's
see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
And you talked about it Golden State like they're all
gonna be interesting. It's like like you said, like you
got your heat. Next it's like, ooh, it's Jimmy Butler playing.
Is Randall playing? What's gonna happen? You're talking about Nuggets, Sons? Ooh,
it's can Kadi and those kind of find a way
to kind of get themselves back in the series. And
then it's like, whereas Lakers.
Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Yep, this is a great year. All right, Well let's
let's get that out the way. M v P. What
do you think I think Joel and b is gonna
get it?
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I think Joel is gonna get it.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
But you.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Absolutely you know. But but but it's just like it's
already been. It's regular season though, So that's the thing.
It's like we gotta forget like they choose it for
that's what they say. I agree, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
It was a very tough MVY race and it says
a lot that these three big men continue to dominate
and make it so big Executive consecutive consecutive years here,
so we shall see. But you know, I don't think
anybody can win that of that group, of that those
three finalists, and I don't think you could, you know,
come outside and say it's.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
A mockery of the game like it was, right agreed.
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Uh, you see, I gotta I gotta head to the garden.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
What's going on, Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I'll be watching, I'll be watching. Everyone appreciate you once again.
Man the VC Show. We signed off because I'm chilling.
But that lady right there gotta work, so we out.
Let's go peace
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But real quick, before we can tell us what's going on,
I want to give a quick shout out to KP
of the colleagues, who, obviously if you guys haven't seen
that early segment, who created the instrumental for our theme song.
I'm walking his shirt today as you see Roz here.
This is off of his Love, Lust and Vulnerability album
that he dropped last May. Also he dropped love Ephoria
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that's out now, so check him out, man. I just
wanted to show them some love, you know. I've had
a lot of people come up to me about the instrument,
like a man that's dope or whatever. So I want
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But to you rise, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I haven't seen you. Grayson's sidelines. The playoffs has been insane,
eye popping, wowing. I mean, did I leave out anything shocking, surprising?
But it's been great, you know, at the same time,
But you know, and what I like about is that
you're not going and you didn't come into the playoffs saying, oh,
this team's the favorite. We already know they're gonna win it.
(01:24):
Let's just get to it. It's like you're not sure.
It's like you can ask someone who do you have
winning this series and you can say this team, and
but you can turn around now you're like, I'm not sure.
I'm really not sure now just because of the play
the parody I love. I love the product that we're
seeing we have and what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
What say you?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I feel the same way. I'm like, shoot, this is
wide open and that's exciting. It's entertaining. I am entertained.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think you know.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I've been on the sidelines for you know, Sideline, reporting
on a number of these games, and coming into the playoffs.
The one team that I thought, Okay, yeah, you know
they're in for a long run it was the Bucks
and so with their early exit, I mean, this thing
is really wide open. You've got a bunch of teams
like the Warriors, for instance, starting to look healthy, starting
(02:15):
to get that momentum, you know, and also their championships
pedigree always helps. You've got fantastic individual storylines like Jimmy
Butler's heroics. So the heat against the Bucks, which was
a series that I was on the sidelines for and
was very great and amazing to see these games up close.
So I think it's an exciting time for playoffs and
(02:38):
we should just jump right onto it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You ready, Vince, Yeah, let's do it all.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Right, Well, let's talk about what's going on between the
Celtics and the seventy six ers, because another team that
had been strong through most of the season had a little,
you know, stumble a little bit, but then finished strong
as well. It was the Celtics, and we were all like, okay,
that's right, And now the Celtics are just played Game
one against the seventy six or six ers did not
(03:02):
have joellenbid but they did have James Harden, and so
James Harden went off for a forty five piece playoff
career high big buckets, clutch buckets at the end, way
more impact than the fourth quarter than you know, the
Jason Tatums and the Jalen Browns and the Celtics kind
of struggled to close this game out.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But first, just how much does it mean?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And what do you take from the fact that without
Joel Embiid the seventy six Ers go on the road
and then steal game one from the Celtics from Celtics.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, very surprising. I mean, I think we all said
no Joe ellenb. We all meaning you know, a lot
of the media outlets, no Joel andb. Celtics act home.
They struggled finishing off the Hawks, which was concerning to
me being that you know, you look at Bucks not there.
(03:55):
They have a path that they come and, you know,
lock in and take care of business. And they ended
up taking care of business. But you know, I feel
like they stumbled to the finish line. They did what
they had to do, but they stumbled to the finish
line in that last series. To get to this series
with the Sixers waiting and having some rest, I thought,
giving the six that was huge for the Sixers to
close out their series, to have them prepared for a
(04:19):
very tough series, which I still think it will be
a tough and competitive series, but no Joe L and
B which was there's some of the wowing and eye popping,
the eye popping side of it because who knew that
this injury was as bad as its turning out to be.
So now we're like, okay, well six sixers are going
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to have a tough way. Who's going to kind of
hold down the fort in the middle. Who's going to
really step up and give them the offense that they need?
I thought, Maxi is very capable, even Harden is capable,
but it's just enough against the firepower that the Celtics
has has And yes it is And James Harden shout
out to James Harden first, first, and foremost because he's
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been crucified for playoff performances in big moments, not just
performances in big moments, and I thought, this is a
big moment game one, not even if they win or not.
It's the approach. Would he shy away from the spotlight
being the go to guy And here's a guy that
has taken a backseat, if you would to being the
(05:24):
go to guy taking the shots he wanted, however, he
wanted to play to being a facilitator and scoring and
being dominant when you needed him to do so. And
he looked around and said, they need me to be
that that Houston Harden, and he brought that out and
he got it done.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Break that down.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, that's so, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So for three quarters, James Harden is seeking out the
matchups he wants, gets to his one on one move
whatever go to getting to the lane or shoot the three. Okay,
that's the thing. That's the theme for three quarters. Typically,
fourth quarter is when it's winning time and its adjustment time.
That's when you make your end game adjustments to go
for the win. And I thought the Celtics never really
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made any adjustments. It was the same James Harden seeking
out Al Horford, James Harden seeking out whoever he wanted
to at the time, and they allowed him to play
one on one the entire fourth quarter without throwing bodies
at him. As at that point he's been the primary
guy getting shots. I'm making somebody else beat me.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Paul Reidham on the floor, you have PJ. Tucker on
the floor, you have other guys. Let the ball find
those guys and if we're gonna lose, now, We're gonna
lose to those guys who had an amazing fourth quarter
instead of James Harden, who's already in rhythm. He's a
great facilitator. He's proven that, he's shown that all series,
I mean all season. Well, he's gonna have to be
that great facilitator in the fourth quarter because we got
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to take something away and I thought the Celtics never
took anything away from the Sixers in the fourth quarter
to win the game, particularly when they have a great
opportun tunity with no Joel and B on the floor.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So what what can a team do in that situation? Vince?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Where you know you actually had James Harden postgame saying
that you know he was reading the situation and he
was coming on in real thing. I'm one on one, Okay,
I can get to my spot and raise up. But
if he's out there actively seeking a switch for a
certain player. Let's say it's Al Horford and James is
actively like, keep bringing the screen until he gets them
(07:28):
on him. What what can the Celtics do in that
situation to avoid giving James, you know, the target that
he's looking for.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So if I'm the guy Garden, James Harden and I
know they're trying to put Al Horford, who's my teammate,
in the pick and roll. At some point, I'm gonna
send him over the screen like we do. Instead of switch,
we're gonna put two on the ball. I'm gonna have
Al Horford jump the screen, be aggressive on the on
the screen, push James harder further out from the basket,
and we're gonna double team. Now that pass, you have
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to find somebody make a long pass. Hopefully it's an
airpass where my weak side guy can get steals opportunity
like that, but we're gonna push him away from the
three point line as far as far as possible to
make those passes a little tougher. He's gonna make the
right read. You could tell he was patient. He'd get
down there and you just saw he's like, nope, wait,
slow down, let's just see how they're gonna play this.
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And like you said, Ross, he comes off, he got
the switch. Wait, it's one on one. He goes into
his package. And you can't allow great players great scores
or even on the defense. You can't allow great players
to continue to see the same dose of one style
of play or defense. They're gonna pick you apart. And
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I thought that's what James Harden did. He knew what
was coming. He knew, like you said, he knew what
he could get every play, and he did.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, it was never an adjustment. It was never out
of a time, out of surprise, trap or something like that.
It was just kind of like the same old song.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
What I'd like to point out about James is this
has been a season of sacrifice for him.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
All season long. He has been willing.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
To sacrifice, whether that was taking less money and allowing
you know, the Sixers to fill up the roster, whether
that was coming in in better shape, whether you know.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And he's talked about.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It, understanding his role at this point of his career
with this team and deciding, hey, I can be the
guy that's going to get us into an offense. I
can be the guy that's going to feed Joel and
b that's our MVP. I know that, and then I
get in in the pick and roll or wherever else
I fit in. It has been a season of sacrifice
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and him now also understanding that all right, Joel is out,
we need to strike, we need to steal something on
the road, and him stepping up in assert of aggressive
scoring way.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I was happy for him, you know, like good for
him to be able to pull that out.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And he talked about all the different ways that James
Harden can exist in today's game.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And I want to add one thing.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
You know, everybody's like, you know, like I even said
in the beginning about you know, his history and not
showing up in games, but it's kind of been the
series in general, you know. So this is one game,
and this is a great start. It's a great start. Yeah,
it's a great start, but it's you know, it's kind
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of been. He's been big for two, three, four games.
But when it came down to crunch time, you know,
you know, that's when kind of the the complaint, if
you would, about James showing up.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Was the issue. But I like, I like his approach.
I like how he came out, he got Game one.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
They have control of this series, and what it's done
is brought him, brought the Sixers time with getting Embiid
healthy because of the one obviously you feel good about
James Harden and the way he played, but two, you
gotta win. So now you kind of are in control
of the series and you can you don't feel rushed
if you need I mean, yes, you want mbid back
(10:52):
because like he said, he said, no, we're here to
get get two games, not just one and be satisfied.
So I like where his mindset is. It's just now
you need James Harden to do this for the series though,
just being aggressive whether you have Joel in the lineup
or not.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Man, listen, it was James after the end of the
the end of the game that was like, Hey, go
to the locker room.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
This you saw him. Yeah, this ain't Yeah, we ain't
win the series right right. I like it game.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
This is just one game. So I appreciated the mindset.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Before we move around to other matchups in the playoffs,
I want to go to the other side of this
one for the Celtics. How concerned are you about this
for the Celtics in this series? And also just they
came out, they came out strong, they were crushing it
to start the game. So like, what's up with the
Celtics and closing out games.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I don't know, like I said, And that's why I
brought up about closing out the Hawks in in Boston,
Like you think, and I like, you know, I picked
the Celtics to come out of the East in the
beginning of the year, and of course going into the playoffs,
I thought the Bucks were playing the best basketball.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But the Puffs are.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Eliminated and this is a great opportunity for the Celtics
if they can lock in. And they talked about it
to nauseum about you know, where they want to go.
They want to get back. They left business, you know,
they left some business undone. So I thought, you know,
they would crush the Hawks at home, close out game,
(12:23):
understanding how important it is to have your rest and
refresh for the next series for a guy like Joel
and be like, they didn't get it done. They let
it linger a little longer. Same thing here. I thought
they hit first. They looked like the team that was
ready to go because they've been played a little longer.
Maybe the six has been off a little bit because
they took care of business, but just didn't finish the job.
(12:46):
I think they got comfortable James Harden, you know, like
I said, had a great start. The Celtics had a
great start in themselves.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
But it's just like there was just the lack.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Of adjustments that was kind of mind boggling to me, Uh,
just getting to talk to coach Missoula his basketball mind,
his approach to the game, and how much he knows.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Like some people are like, oh, it's just lack of experience.
I don't know. Some I've played for.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
A culture too that were very prideful in their preparation
of the game plan for a series and some type
of a game. But let's just say for a series
and didn't waiver from that, like it was like, oh no,
we're gonna stick to a stick, to stick to the script,
and wasn't willing to change in game, which is the
(13:34):
most important part. And like I said, I'm not knocking whatever,
It's just it was just the reality. And we're we
as players sometimes on the floor, we want to make
the adjustments and stuff. Let's just all our switch. Let's
just not switch guard get through the screen. Because I
think sometimes with switching now to day's wise. Maybe you
agree with this, being that you sitting the court side
and you see it often when teams switch one through.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Five, you you get really lax on. You're switching. It's
like automatic.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now, guys don't even come together and you just switch
point switch, as opposed to when you see whoever, let's say,
whoever's Marcus Smart guarding Garden Harden and knowing that switch
because he's trying to get Al Horford. At some point
I'm saying, yeah, we're gonna switch. If Marcus Smart gets
laid out and he can't get through the screen, there's
(14:22):
your switch. But sometimes I'm telling Marcus Smart, no fight
through the screen.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You want to see that guard fight through the screen.
So now there is no switch because he's made the
effort to get through. And you see that often with
teams that just switch, and it just drives me crazy sometime,
particularly young teams, because when coach says switch, that's the
easy way out. So all I gotta do is make
sure my guy goes through the screen and I just
get under and switch with the next guy. And I think, now,
in these situations, I would have liked to see Smart
(14:51):
fight his way through that screen. And now it takes
Al Horford out. Now, if James Harden is scoring these points,
getting these one on ones, he's beating the you know,
the defensive player of the your type player, right, And.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You know, I feel like when I'm doing interviews with coaches,
they're always like, yeah, we're not playing with enough force,
there's not enough force out there, or it's just such.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
An overused term sometimes.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
And like what you're describing is what I feel like
the forces, you know, like you know, activity at the
point of attack, aggressiveness, ereran, tending a pick and roll
or coming together during the switch, you know, as so
that teams can't slip or roll on you. Like, just
the physicality and the touch points at every single action
on the court, and the concentration to be able to
(15:35):
fight through and do it over and over. And also
like physicality wears on the other team too, and like
that's the difference in the playoffs and and how a
half court set time after time again like seems to.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Wear on teams. So absolutely appreciate it. That like mindset
and viewpoint from you. You know, what do you think
it's like for the Celtics to.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Have a talented but like you said, young, perhaps less
obviously less experienced in this kind of playoff situation as
a young head coach in Missoula.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Do you think that how does that play out players?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, I'll say he's less experienced at the head coach,
but I mean he was there, you know, last year,
so he understands the moment. He's been there in the
in the rooms. It's just it's totally different. Let me know,
it's totally different when you're the head guy and you
have to pull the trigger on situations. But as a
I think the Boston Celtics want to play today regardless
of getting your rest. They want to play today because
(16:35):
they have to hear this. They have to hear you know,
the whispers all the time, and they want to go
out there and like, ah mannah, let's go erase this,
get that bad taste of the mouth. Because the performance,
it's one thing, and then when you look back on it,
you're like, we didn't give maximum effort. We're talking about
we want to get back to the championship. We feel
(16:55):
like we're good enough, we feel like we have super
duper stars on our squad that can get lead us
to back to where we want to go, and we
didn't deliver. So that alone makes you want to go
back and play the game over or play the next game.
Another note, Jaylen Brown took ten shots. Jason Tatum's your superstar,
(17:19):
but they had success because Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown
were dominating. So when you put all your energy and
efforts on one side, putting one or two guys on
Jason Tatum, you're like, God, Leeve, we gotta go over
here and now deal with this guy, or vice versa.
Because Jalen Brown at times was the one coming out
we see last series, he was averaging like thirty because
(17:40):
he was the one that was aggressive first, and then
it kind of made the game easier for Jason Tatum
and for him to have ten shots. Those guys, I'm sorry,
they should have the seventeen twenty shot attempts if you would,
because they create when they're aggressive, they create the open
shots for Al Horford in the corner that he down,
(18:00):
for Smart, for White, for all of these guys. They
create opportunities for everyone else because of their aggressiveness and
because of you know, their demand for multiple bodies in
their areas. So I thought that was another thing, only
not only on the defensive end. If you're gonna give
up that on a defensive end and not make adjustments,
you gotta utilize your two superstars at the end of
(18:23):
the game. I don't care unless market Smart, there's no
disrespect and it's not an unless Marcus Smart is having
a night.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I'm not throwing the ball to him.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You have two guys that you can throw the ball to,
and then we can debate who should have gotten that.
But maybe the play was to throw the ball in
the Smart, get a little action and you know, you
get your superstars on the move. Cool, but you know
it didn't work out that way. So that's why we
can We can say I'm putting the ball in the
Jay's hand. Pick your poison, Jason Tatum or Jaylen Brown,
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Speaker 4 (20:52):
Let's take a look at another series that everybody is
excited about.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Wait, man, which one? There's a couple of them.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
One now, one of these serious series is the one,
the one, the one on the one everybody is I
feel like if you're.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Six sons, I mean just kidding.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I was like, come on.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Overall, one of the ones, the series who Kids, you know,
the savor for for the for the legend conversations, you know,
the Lakers versus the Warriors, and you know, an opportunity
to still see high level competitive basketball going between two
of the generational players you know of all and Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'm not gonna let you go any further. I'm going
to ask you this question before we go any further.
I'm gonna ask this to you. Is it Is it
kind of? No, it's it's not a trick question, is
it kind of? I mean it's great to see. Would
you have rather seen this matchup in the Western Conference finals?
To me, like, no, that's a fact, that's a fact.
(22:03):
But just just imagine exactly the winner of this has
to go play another series and it's not going to
the finals.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's my thing, that's my thing. No, I get it,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Could we could have easily seen the Kings Lakers, which
would have been nice too, absolutely respect would have been
very nice to learn more about this up and coming
Kings team that's been strong all season.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
But from a hoop had.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Shout up to the Kings. First of all, we can't
not give them their props. They shut them out man
that like, like you said, coach of the year, couch
player of the year, like they were great. They earned
the number three seed, they earned it like a lot
of people didn't give them a chance, and they were
the number three seed and they made they made it
a series. They took it to seven. It got to
(22:51):
a point where it was just like, oh, this is
gonna be a a great ending, and then all of
a sudden, that guy they called Steph Curry, you know,
did Steph Curry things. So I just want to give
them a shout out because it was being a former
Kings player, it was fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I thought, like the the you know, the theme of
light the Beam.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
The fans got behind that, and I think that gave
them life to play for something, you know, and the
fans had something to play for. It was just it
was just cool to see. So shout out to them.
But anyway, shout out.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
To the fans.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Shout outs to the King's atmosphere electric, like even if
you weren't there, you could kind of almost it was
like feel.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It, feel it through the TV screen.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
The hunger and desire and pride of that fan base,
you know, to have their team out there and competing
at that high level.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Absolutely want to shout out the fans because they showed up.
They absolutely were differently differentiated themselves, very exciting.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But that man Stephan Curry.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You mentioned that man.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Stephen Curry fifty piece in game seven, And just let
me tell you.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
One thing I know about Stephan Curry.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
So like having been my career, like an NBA career
started with the Warriors, got to.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Cover you know him and Steve Kerr in their first
year together.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And on and continue to do it now nationally, like
this guy absolutely intentionally meant to come out there and
drop fifty and will this team to a win. Like
It's funny how when I go from team to team
and star player to star player as a reporter, or
going from game to game, and I see the different
approaches to greatness. Some people communicate it angrily, some people
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communicate it with joy, like.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
The intensity, the consistency, the.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Activity of a star player, or how they ease into
it or immediately like kind of make it happen.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And Steph is such a competitor.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I've watched him over and over in clutch situations, bring edge,
bring fire. It doesn't show itself the way Draymond Green
might show fire, but his is so clear to me
that like he understands the moment and his role in it.
It's very exciting to see fifty piece in game seven
(25:11):
was it's it's the delivering of expected and much needed
excellence from a star player. When we start the show
and we talk about star players across their career, what
have they done in playoffs? Steph has you know, been
that and right here at thirty five still doing that
(25:33):
is so impressive. It's the consistency of it.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
What stood out to.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
You about Steph's fifty point game to send the Warriors
into this next round against the Lakers, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well, ROGI you said it like his you know, like
you said the different approaches of superstars, Well, Steph has
all of those. He can, like I said, he can
work his way into the game. He can start the
game off by just a flurry of threes or just
putting his markt in the game. He can do it
by smiles and enjoyment, or you can just see the
(26:02):
level of focus where there's you know, there's a scowl
on his face. We heard this, we heard about this
speech before the game, or he just goes out there
and leads by example and doesn't say much because I
play with a guy Jason Kidd J Kidd and even
Dirt as well. J Kid and Dirt didn't say much
as far as verbal, the verbally in the locker room
(26:24):
or on the court any timeout, but when they had
something to say, you knew, like okay, we need to
listen up. But that led by example. You know Jay
kidd led by example of his approach, how he guarded,
how he played dirt the same way. You know, when
he wanted the ball, you could see it in his
face or sometimes say that give me the damn ball,
like okay, he go, let it go do your thing.
And I think Steph has all of those guys you
(26:48):
know in one in my opinion, because I've seen him
in playoff situations, I've playing him in regular season games.
I've just seen him in matchups where all of those
type of approaches that.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You mentioned he's done that.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He's taking those approaches and at the end the end
result was still the same, you know, getting it done.
So watching him just like I say, just he just
he did it in stages. Like one thing about Steph
that I really enjoys that he understands who he has
on his team and who he is, and they understand
(27:20):
when he needs the ball. But like when Clay is rolling,
regardless of Steph having a good night or so so
night or needs to get himself going, He's like Clay
is rolling, I have to get him the ball. He's
such an unselfish superstar. He gets guys, or Jordan Poole
or whatever the case may be, Like he gets it.
When he was coming back, He's like, no, I'll come
off the bench. Jordan's rolling like whatever he was he's
(27:43):
and I look at Dirk that same type of way.
It's just an unselfish superstar. And that's when guys understood
when he spoke up. When either one of those guys
spoke up, you responded or they knew to get Steph
the ball, guys set. I mean, how many guys in
the NBA history have you seen a team will say,
(28:04):
you know, you would see a double screen, quadruple screen
like you're seeing sometimes like you're seeing all four guys
set the screen to get that guy open because of
his unselfishness, and they're doing they're willing to do whatever
to get that guy the ball because how he sacrifices
for the good of them.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And how about this too, Like we talk about Steph
and he's the greatest shooter of all time, but in
really critical games on the road here Game five and
Game seven in Sacramento, a lot of the damage he
did was from two you know, like, like Steph is
an incredible.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I mean, so how does that stand out as a
guy that's known for shooting? What makes it special that
stuff's so good in the paint as.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well understanding the dynamics of the game. When I first
started in the game, you had specialists, and I'm gonna
use his dad for instance. Steph Curry is great shooter.
His dad was a great shooter. But you never worried
about Dell beating you, getting getting into the pain we
(29:07):
were taught when you're guarding Del Curry, you take away
his space and you make him drive. You understand I'm
saying like you now get guys like like Steph and
Clay is starting to do that a lot more as well.
We say take it, take away his space and you
want towos what Steph can kill you with a bunch
of twos because if his mid range ability, his layup package,
and it's obviously his ability to make plays, So you
(29:31):
just have to It goes back to what I said
about hardened and garden superstars. You can't give them a
steady dose or diet of the same thing. You have
to try to confuse superstar players where you give him
a look for three or four times and when they
feel like, oh, I know it's coming, you give them
something different because you can't. You can't like I'll never
(29:52):
say you close out short on Steph Curry. That's that's
that's stupid. Okay, I get it, But I will say
sometimes you close out all the way and you're physical
with them, you close out all the way short but
a high hand, or you make it like you're gonna leave.
You just got to give them different looks to where
they're kind of hesitant hesitant. Obviously, Steph is one of
the best pump fake to shooting threes there is since
(30:14):
his dad, because that's where I learned and watched it
from playing with Dell.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Because Dell his ability a guy.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
He knew a guy was gonna close out to me,
he could pump fake just to get your hands up
and wait for your hands to go down and reload
and fire, and it was just amazing. I was like,
I gotta get that. I gotta get that shot in
my game. And it's hard to do, but you just
have to keep those guys off balance, keep them guessing.
I feel like that's the same way with Kevin Durant,
Lebron all of these guys, you can't play them the
same way every time.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
All right, So real quick, before we move on to
other topics, just on Stephan Curry every time, like he
has one of these big games, we come back to
a you know, a legacy conversation and where he stands.
I felt like a lot of the topics was is
he you know, is he the greatest point guard of
all time?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Is where is he in the overall goat conversation?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
So you know, Vince is someone who is a great
yourself and has seen generations of ball, Like, how do
you discuss Stephen Curry in these larger legacy conversations?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, first of all, thank you, but I ain't with
those guys. Those guys their next level, those guys the
next level. But to be considered, I appreciate it. Hey,
to be considered, I appreciate it, but uh, you know,
to me, I just I feel like the book is
still being written with Steph, you know, and I'm I
(31:36):
want to see where he like when we were now
at the tail end, you know, I don't know how long,
how much longer he wants to play, but like I
want to give him some more time to see what
he's going to do before we just kind of yeah,
I think when it's all said and done, that's where
he's going to be. You know, we're so quick to win,
you know, like a situation like this, we're trying to
(31:58):
place him somewhere. But I'm like, yeah, like wherever we
feel like he's going to be now, I mean we're
somewhat wasting our breath because you know, this is Steph
Curry who still has some good years left and it's
going to change again. So I don't know, I just
want to see where what it looks like in two years.
So now he's thirty seven, still shooting threes, So you know,
(32:21):
I think he's up there. He's for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Where is he in your goal? I mean, is he
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
He's up there, He's in the time. Yeah, he's up there.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
He's up there with some of the greatest and you know,
and you know, everybody's like, after this series is gonna
you know, we'll see well nowhere. I mean I think
we know beforehand, like what else does he need to do? Yes,
if he wins a fifth championship. Now there's a conversation
about how much.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
More do you people need to see from seven Curry.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But that's what That's what I'm saying. So that's why
that's why I said what I said.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Like, he's because I feel I feel like how the
the goal post change.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Like at first it was like, all right, well.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Man, you know he need a KD for that championship
or da da da da. Well then they came back
and won the championship last year. Oh well, he's never
been the best in the finals. He's the finals MVP
with signature, signature games. Here we are redefining, you know,
we talk about the greatness of Lebron, redefining what longevity
looks like. Hey, Stephan Curry is having a longevity conversation too,
(33:25):
And actually it's quite fascinating because they play two different games.
You got Steph running a marathon through a game at
age thirty five. That's a very different style of play
than perhaps some other players. You know, what does that
look like as you age and things like that, and
plus not to mention the physicality of his game and
the paint too. So I just think for Steph, like
(33:45):
I constantly find myself like I don't know, and I
feel like sometimes if Steph has a less than perfect game.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
You know, they're right up there questioning legacy. But then
if you know, Steph.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Is just domination, and his will and desire carries and
permeates the team to to the to the toppest the
highest mountaintop.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You know, sometimes I'm.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like, what more do you need to see from stuff
to you know, properly address him as you know.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Absolutely ago And it's like it's like, you know, outside
of if one of those two guys win, wins a
fifth championship, maybe you're talking about up there echelon. I mean,
we're already you know, people were already having watch Watch
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
We're already having a discussion about Lebron, you know, being
(34:36):
one of the one of the best to ever do
it with MJ. And I'm gonna say Kobe Bryant also.
So that's a different door, that step is opening because
right now, you know, people talk about MJ and Lebron,
I feel like we should also talk about Kobe as
far as the best to ever do it. But you know,
maybe that's opening that next door that you know that
a lot of players don't get to be talked about
(34:58):
or I'll have a chance to open. Okay, fun but
as far as legacy, Like what What'm I mean like legacy?
Like I was hoping to get a chance to play
in one NBA finals, much less win one. He has
four them Like like now we're talking about greatest winners.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
He's I mean, he has four, That's.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
What I'm saying, Like I'm talking about I just wanted
to play in one, much less winning one. He has
four wins, you know what I'm saying. So it's just like,
so I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
When we visited, I do feel your answer of like
you know, there's still more to write here, but you know,
we're definitely deeper in the book than at the top
of it at this point.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
For Stephan, that's the fact.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
But okay, we got one more.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
NBA topic here, Hot one off the presses.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
So Sham's friend to the show is reporting on the
twitters that the Memphis Grizzlies have informed pending free agent
Dylan Brooks that he will not.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Be brought back. And here's under any circumstances, leave sources say,
Now that is dramatic. Under any circumstances, They're not going
to see Dylan Brooks back.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Immediate response from UBC.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Okay, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Not surprised, But under any circumstances, like I'm curious, like
is that that the word from the horse's mouth, under
any circumstances that we're not bringing them back, because like
I feel like a lot of us on the outside,
that's what we would say, like bring him back regardless.
Like so uh, you know, you hear people say it,
(36:37):
like that's just what the people, that's what's being said.
Do I think another team will will will will pick
him up? Yes, yes, a lot of people do not.
If you go in comments everywhere, leave your comments in
our section for sure, we love to read what you think.
But I think at the end of the day, he's
a guy that he's he's everybody wants a guy that is,
(36:58):
you know that you know, tough, pretty talent defender, you know.
I mean, I thought he got too caught up in
the matchup to where he lost his focus on the
offensive and on the defensive end after a while. And
I think, you know, for the Grizzlies, they're just you know,
they have they need they need some some veterans. So
(37:20):
is he the sacrificial Lamb. Maybe so, maybe so because
they need to keep that group together. I think what
they have in Bain, joh and Triple J is a
great start.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Absolutely. I really liked the core there, as you said
of Vane, John and Jaron.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
But let's break the conversation about Dylan into two segments.
His game and then the intangibles he brings. And would
love to get your thought process on how his game
affected the Grizzlies. You know, was there more value than less?
And then I'm really curious your thoughts. Did you think
(37:57):
that Dylan brought them toughness in a good way or
was he more of a distraction in a bad way?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And that's what I want both, a little.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Bit of both.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I think it's a fine lie because I think he
brought them toughness. You know, you have a guy that's
gonna go, you know, go out there and he's not
gonna back down from your superstar. You want a guy
he's not You understand, some nights you might shut a
guy down, you know, contain a guy. I'm gonna say,
completely shut the guy down. And some now that you
might get your head cracked to the white meat. And
I'm talking about like for real, for real, and but
(38:29):
they're gonna still come back and be in the fight.
So yes, Dylan Brooks, that player is great for anybody's
team because you know that he's gonna go out there
containing and sometimes frustrate superstars, but sometimes trigger superstars. I
thought the off the court stuff is what hurt the
team in general, because I said it before and I'll
(38:51):
say it again if I'm the other team, I don't
care who we're playing against, but particularly the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
You you directed.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Your your hate or your whatever, all of your your
words at Lebron James and Lebron this is not just
like any superstars. You didn't direct to that Anthony Davis.
Yeah he's a champion, bah blah blah, but it's not
Lebron James, and Lebron James has accomplished so much and
Lebron Lebron James had his cavalry down to go after
you as well. So it's not like you said something
(39:18):
and it's kind of a back and forth between one
or two guys. It was personal for everyone, and what
that did, it made it locker room buleboard material. So
we're not just like, oh man, he talking about the
Lebron go go after it. That's what we're talking about.
That was the narrative. But the bigger picture is Dylan
Brooks's face is on that bulletin board every day and
they go they like every day leading up to that game, like, oh, bro,
(39:41):
you you think it's just you and him, No, it's
you versus us, Like that's kind of how it wasn't
And you saw, yeah, you see Austin Reeves like, nah, bro,
like we wanted to go have his back, like he
said it in a nice way like that just told
me everything. They everybody like, Bro, you you fired at everybody.
So we all coming back strapped and ready get you know,
to get with it. So I think it just made
(40:04):
you like, yes, you did poke the bear, but you didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
You didn't just poke mama bear. You poked the family.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And and I thought you could just see how the
intensity how fired up from and one from Lebron every
like it was a shot. It was a great shot
for Lebron, but who it was against the situation? Oh
you know, if I'm up on Lebron, I just sent
him left. Not only did he beat him off the dribble,
he went left like he was gonna do he finished
(40:32):
he got the end one, everybody went crazy like they
were the one that scored that shot. So I just
think things like that, particularly in the playoffs. If that
was a regular season game, it's easy to talk that junk,
to go back and forth because it's one game. You
go on to the next city and you move on.
But this is a series. This is a playoff series
where you see the same team again, and that's what
it built up, and you got to sit with it.
(40:54):
And and on the other side of it, you hear
a lot of former players like Matt Barnes.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean, I mean this lodge list of guys that
had to say and I feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
You can't go to the media to create this narrative
to get your point across. And when you don't win,
don't talk to the media. You don't talk to the
people that you use to create this narrative. You gotta
face it. John mort said he was good in the
West and what he said, yeah, I said it. Yeah,
I gotta stick with it. It's all good. I take
(41:26):
my licks. Dylan Brooks has to do the same. You
gotta take your licks, man, Like you're using the media
to create this narrative to be or create whatever you
want to be cool. If it doesn't work out, you
gotta face the music. Bro face the music. And I
think the Grizzlies we're seeing now didn't want to deal
with that because it backfired when they had a goal.
(41:48):
They felt like they were very capable of coming out
of the West or competing for the West, however we
may feel as fans in media, they felt that and
I think that was a distraction that kind of made
everything go left.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Yeah, it just it was it was too much to overcome.
And I think it actually speaks volumes about Lebron James too,
in the respect and loyalty that his young teammates had
for him, for their og, for for for their vet.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
For their leader, for their you know, for their vote,
and they had his back.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
You know, there's a lot of star players where, you know,
there's a couple of star players where they might not
get that.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Same loyalty of their teammates.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
But Lebron had that respect and it showed in how
they fought for him too.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
And his response his response to it after oh what
he said, he said, brouh, I'm not gorried about that.
I'm ready to go play. I wanna go this and
getting done when they got their butt kick. Well after
that game or in the media, he's like, I'm not here,
I'm ready to play. I'll be ready to play. That
told me everything about Lebron. Once they got their butt
kick going into what game six? They finished the sixth,
(42:55):
he's like, I played like crap, I'll be ready to play,
and I believed it, and that was the motivation he
needed because Lebron did not look great.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
He looked super tired early in the series, and everybody's like,
wait a minute, but you gave him new life. You
gave that man new life. Like you know, he gonna
make sure he may go to bed at midnight or whatever.
Guess what he probably went to sleep eleven thirty. He
slept he you.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Know, my mom said, used to tell me, you gotta
go go to sleep fast, sleep fast because tomorrow's coming quickly.
He made sure he slept fast and he was ready
to go. He got in that cryo, he got that
in that chamber and he's like, oh, oh, you want
to see what what does look like? He asked for
forty They got beat by forty, so you got what
you asked for.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
All right, Vince, all right, we're at the end of
the show here, it's a time for a little story time, okay,
So we're gonna take you down through memory lane here
because before we go.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Master P, what's up? Master P went on the show
and he.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Told the story about playing playing in Toronto with you
and t mac So.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Like, how was that and what was his game? Like gaball.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
It was interesting.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
So we're a young team in Toronto and we are
trying to establish ourselves and do you know, do our
thing make a name for ourselves as an organization obviously
and as individuals, and we bring Master PN so like
everyone else, you know, like your question, we asked the
same thing. Can this guy play you know, his music?
(44:38):
He's one of them, you know he and this is
a time where he's still he's major. So it was
it was a lot of a lot of talk around
around this and he comes in and you know, I
saw where he was talking about, like the rookie Haysen,
and he didn't he wasn't doing all that, which is
I get it. I mean he was already a superstar established.
(44:58):
But my thing, I think the majority of us on
from where I took it he had already tried out
with the Charlotte Hornets, so he'd already gone through a
year of you know, of the rookie hazen. He didn't
make the team, but he you know, he had already
gone through that, so we didn't really look at it
as a rookie. It was just like, here's this guy,
master p who made him say coming in trying to
(45:21):
play basketball, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, it
was it was interesting he could play basketball.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
But like.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
I mean, he didn't make the team, so I mean,
it's easy to say, no, he wasn't, but he could play,
you know, to you know, was the NBA basketball you know,
it just at that time, it's like who was he
gonna beat out?
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Was the question at the time. Like, you know, we
had I don't know, we had a lot of young talent.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
But the buzz around let me tell you something, the
buzz around having Pee was crazy in itself when people
like I don't think he played the first preseason game,
but we were going to Dallas and we're gonna play
as close to Louisiana. We're gonna play a preseason game
(46:16):
in Dallas, and I think it was at reunion. Oh
real that I show my age reunion reason, not even
where they are now. And the people that came out
for that game was insane, insane to see Pee get
on the court, and I mean you it was who's
who of rap artists. He thought you were seeing a
(46:36):
rap concert. But it was just the support that he
was getting from both sides, curiosity and.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Support all in one.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
And you know, Pe got out there at first, and
you're just like, I don't know, but like, here's a
man who's accomplished so much, been doubted, and you know
he survived. He didn't, you know, he and Tank, but
master P made his mark when we played the Vancouver Grizzlies,
and I wish I knew the player's name.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
He probably doesn't want to be named, and I understand why.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
But when you're talking about a guy going into another
sport and he gets the best of you, and this
is not what he does on a daily basis, obviously,
he was trying to make that another profession, his profession,
his new profession. If you would like Michael Jordan going
too baseball. They didn't want Michael Jordan hitting home runs
off of them. That's just I mean, come on, like
you play basketball, you coming into baseball. So P finally
(47:24):
gets in the game, people are going crazy. We're you know, preseason.
He is picking up somebody full court. He's trying to
cross P over. Master P steals the ball from this
guy gosh, I was to remember his name, steals the
ball from him at half court. Okay, there's nobody between
master P and the guy he stole the ball from.
(47:44):
P goes stops a three point line and pulls up
for three, nobody on it, and makes it.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
We're going crazy. I hope there's video of that.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Is so long ago, like we're older, so you know,
they might not be good video for it. But I
heard the guy got cut at night, like right after
the game, and like I said, yeah, it's just and
P worked hard. He bought into it. It wasn't no
a master P, you know recording superstar. He bought into it.
But we made sure. Like he said about dunking on
(48:14):
him whatever that I don't know about trying to dunk
on him. Like I wasn't afraid of dunk on anybody.
I was gonna get filed, you know, by anybody. I
was getting filed by some of the biggest men you know,
shock on down. So that wasn't the thing. But we
were going hard at him because guess what. Guess what
the reality was everybody who we played against when p
stepped on the court, they were gonna do the same
to him. So and he was he was playing the
(48:36):
point guard position. So it was just I think it
was just different for him, Like everybody, you know, just
think like if you're going out there to try to
play right now, roz in the w n A, guess
you're gonna be a target. Everybody's gonna come after you
because you're stepping in and you have played to play
the game. I'm saying, but that and that's what it
was for P so and it was like that for us,
so you know, and he didn't back down. He wasn't afraid.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
He talked his junk and all that, like that's Pete
like you if y'all know Pete, Pete talk is jump now.
And that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
But it was a fun time, like he could play,
he could play a little bit. I'm not sitting here
and saying like he should have been in and and
as we all get cut, we all feel like we
should have made it fine. But he competed man, he competed.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
It sounds like there's a lot of respect there for somebody,
you know, at the peak of their craft and one
in one game and another game and try to give
that and try to see what he could shake it
up and make it happen with the NBA side, all right,
but he wouldn't real fast.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
At one point we thought that he was going to
make the team, like he was the last cut, Like
it was I saw article he was the last cut
before they cut him. So it's like, you know, it
was kind of I guess shout out to Antonio Lane.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
It was between you.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I think Master P and Antonio Lang were the kind
of two guys at that time, and like he just
missed making our team that year. So like, yo, for
however you feel about him, he was a up. He's
a decent player, he was.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
I mean, if you're almost if you have an opportunity
even yeah, for the league, like you're a good player,
you know, like overall all right, but he wouldn't be
the only musician that has had hoop dreams.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
We've seen it with you know, Drake warming up with
Kentucky or Quavo.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
You know, was a regular at the celebrity basketball tournament games.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
And all this and that.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
So, like, which music artist in your knowledge of this
is the best hooper in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Well, the ones that I've seen live, Brian mcnight had
Everybody laughs when I say that. But Brian McKnight had gay.
He was a shooter.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
I've seen two chains play uh wow, wow wow wow.
Back in the day.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Used to be in my basketball camp, so I got
to see him every day play bow Woe had game,
uh Romeo Pece Sun had had some game. Silk the Shocker,
his brother had game like he could play like he
never had the chance. Obviously he had the chance, but
we felt like Silk was just it's capable. And lastly,
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I think a lot of people know about about this
guy Chris Brown. Chris Brown has game. Yeah, you know,
so there's some Those are some of the guys that
I've seen live, seen play live that I'm like, all right,
he got some game, like, you know, if he tried
and put some time into it, possibly, you know, like
I said, I felt Silk possibly had a chance. Chris Brown,
(51:34):
you know, it was pretty darn good. And then there's
also this guy by the name of Prince. People don't know.
People don't know that. You know, if you remember Dave
chappelle skit about playing Prince, like that's the real thing.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Prince had game.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Prince was one of was minnes one of Minnesota's all
time leading scorers back in you know, in his high
school days, so he could play. And I've had some
conversation with Prince. It's funny. It's not a flex.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
I had a nightclub in Toronto. Shout out the inside,
Shout out the Travis.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
Wait wait, wait, there's so much happening here. Wrins friends,
and you have a nightclub in Toronto. So you are
a nightclub owner.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Inside Inside Nightclub. Shout out to the inside, Shout out
to Toronto Inside Nightclub. A business partner, Travis Segresti, we
uh we we went into business as a playoff, was
still a player and had some some pretty interesting nights
and some some cool people come through, uh come through
(52:44):
through the club.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
You know you're one of the first. Absolutely absolutely yeah,
it was. It was, it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
It was definitely the place to be. I mean, we
we we started we started Bottle Service our club inside
in Toronto. We were one of the first to start
this way back then, which is a regular here in
the States, which you know, it's like that's unheard of.
And it was like, I remember, like why you couldn't
order a bottle and have it at your table. You
can buy a bottle and they pour the drinks for you.
(53:16):
But we changed the game a little bit. So I
was proud of that, had it for a long time.
But one day we're sitting in the office and one
of our security guys at the front door is like, yeah,
Prince wants to come into the club. So Prince, Like,
how many princes do you know outside of Prince Felder
(53:38):
and Prince So I'm like, you mean, like the logo
you know he was at this time. He was the
logo he was around that time, and it was like, yeah, Prince.
So it was the weirdest thing. And you know, if
you think about Michael Jackson and Prince, these are two
of the people that I know that wherever they go
around the world. I mean you see Internastley look on
(53:58):
video and people would out to see these people like
they are like, you know, echelon of iconic superstars and
geniuses and just kind of whatever. So he come up
and you know when it just got weird for me
because it's like, all right, he said, yeah, he wants
one of the VIP areas, but he you know, he
wants to light dim down. So I'm like, okay, all right,
(54:22):
but it makes sense, I guess. You know, if it's bright,
everybody sees you. People go crazy. You can't enjoy yourself.
So it kind of made sense. And Prince came in
like he was he was in his bell bottles and
you know, like Prince like he was Prince like you
know what I'm saying, Like he was dressed like Prince
if you know what I'm saying, slick back and all cool.
So you know, so we're sitting there talking in there
(54:44):
and it's like, you know, you think of Prince and
you know, you think of the pitch where he sings.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
He sings al to soprano. He's up there.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
You know, he has a high pitch and he talks
of like a deep baritone, like you know, like deep
voices like man, it's crazy. And the cool thing about
it is like I had to ask him, like okay,
so you're you and what why are you here? What
makes you want to come to Inside nightclub in Toronto
because he was dating. He was taking a lady there
(55:11):
who was I don't know where he found her, Like unbelievable,
that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
She's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
That's just the fact that she's unbelievable. But he's print
so it made sense. But I'm like, what makes you
come here? He's like, he said that he heard about
our club and he had to see it for himself
and Travis and I was just like, that's what's up.
Because we didn't do any promoting, and we didn't promote
on the radio. We didn't promote like do ads on
(55:39):
the TV. It was all word of mouth and we
had proteins that would come in and you know, to
do things. So he heard about it, so he had
to come in. So Prince is now sitting in our
VIP and you know, and I'm like, this is Prince's
a matter of time. People are gonna lose their freaking
mind because we didn't say, oh, Princes in the building.
We didn't do anything that he asked. Not too cool.
It's just you know a lot of security dark in there.
(56:00):
So we're talking and like he was like, I had
to come see it. So I'm like, okay, cool lo
and behold this. One girl finds out and she's trying.
So we have where I'm sitting. I'm sitting here, Princess
to my right, and it's bamboo protecting the VIP's a
raised VIP. The dance for is back there, so you
can technically see through the bamboo sticks. She is trying
(56:21):
her best to rip the bamboo sticks apart, but you
can't just break bamboo like that. That's why we had
it there. She's trying to rip it apart. I'm over here,
like what is going on?
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Right?
Speaker 2 (56:31):
I was like, bro, you and Princess Prince is just
sitting there like, yeah, man, this is a great place
you have here.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
This is awesome.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Like he did not flinch. He did not flinch, And
I'm just like, she's freaking out. So like that video
of seeing people passing up for Michael Jackson and Prince, like,
I'm seeing it live. So our security finally, after like
five ten minutes of her trying to rip it up,
they pick her up and they're escorting her.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Out and she passes out. Prince, I love you.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
I was like, You're the greatest. I love you, Oh
my god, and boom passes out. So he they're carrying
her up over the over the head and she's basically
like a dead body. Oh my god, just like she's
out passed out.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
I was just like whoa. And he never flinched, never flinched.
I was just like wow.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
And it was a norm for him, like you know, yeah,
we get a lot. So it was just unbelievable to
see a guy.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
Like this liability bullets. You were over there like oh lord.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, like oh Lord, Like, well, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (57:31):
He like Travis is like he's sitting there with his
mouth dropped and I'm like, yo, bro, do you see this?
Like and it was just a cool thing. He invite
us us to a concert because I had never been
to a Prince concert. I listened to him, but like
die Hard, I wouldn't go that far. But I understood
why when I was at his concert, Like it was
hit after hit after hit. So it's like seeing him
(57:51):
in the intimate setting in the VIP not flinching to
going up here in the middle of an arena rocking
at three nights in a row, blah blah blah blah.
And then he comes back a second time, just to
hang out to say what's up, appreciated thanking us for coming.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
I'm like, no, thank you, like for this experience. So
it was just it was insane. Inside was to.
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Get out of here Venso that was but get out
of here.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
It was cool because because we got to conversating about
what we wanted to do is create a small venue,
so five thousand seat arena for intimate concerts and and
and you have your concert and then we're gonna shuttle
bust people back to the club and just do it.
Just do it real big for artists and and fan experience.
And you know, ended up getting traded and moving on.
(58:43):
But Prince said, whatever you need me to do, I
will do it. You need artists. If I call artists,
they'll do it. We're like, okay, bet like that. That's
that's easy. We don't have to call artists. You just
got to call Princess like, hey, can you get whatever club?
Like Alicia. I remember, I just don't know why. At
least he was one of the guys that I could
artists that I remember. He's like, yeah, man, I call
(59:05):
these they'll do me a favor and I create and
he wanted he wanted nothing from it, just to see
it boom because he appreciated, you know, the club that
he had a good time, you know, just being a friend.
It was just insane, crazy, long story short. We moved forward,
Prince Dies and you know, it was just like crazy.
(59:29):
And my second year, i want to say, my second
year in Atlanta, we're in Minnesota and we're going. We're
there a couple of days. We go to visit his house,
the museum. His house is the museum. For those who
don't know that. You get a chance, you're in Minnesota,
please go visit his house. It's unbelievable. So when he
(59:52):
first passed, When he first passed, obviously it was breaking
news and they talked about he had this vault. In
this vault, he had albums on top of albums on
top of albums that he'd recorded that he never dropped,
on top of all of this stuff that he wore, like, oh,
I'm just gonna put it out here, keep safe. So
they're they're itemizing all of these items that's in in
(01:00:17):
his vault, and the first hundred items come out publicly
and somewhere in there, my buddy Travis sends it to me,
He's like, hey, did you see this? I was like, okay, yeah,
his list cool and he had it circled and said
Vince Carter single. It's like, what, so Prince had made
(01:00:39):
a song. I don't think see name, but it's like
they had Vince Carter singles. So that was one of
the first hundred items that they saw and you know,
and it had a single. So I'm like, bro, what
and you know, so sort So we go take the
visit to the to this house and everything, and I
do one of those hey, how you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
My name is Vince Carter? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I know Prince has a ball and I had you know,
I was told that he had a sing I didn't know.
How do you like, how do you ask these people?
It's like, you know, I know, like yeah, cool, cool
story bro. But I'm like, you know, Prince made a
single about me. I just wanted to see, you know,
who can I contact? I just want to hear it.
Like I wasn't asking for it. I was just curious,
(01:01:21):
like what do you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Have to say? What I just wanted.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I was like, you can put me on the you
can play it over the phone. You don't have to
give me the actual single. I just wanted to hear it,
and I never got the opportunity because I thought they
were like I felt like they were like, yeah, okay,
let me go contact somebody. And I never heard from it,
so maybe, you know, one of these days I'll go
ask it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
So I never heard it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
But it was just like cool, like and all of
a sudden, pictures Prince when he performed, he had my
jersey on, he had my home and my purple jersey on.
Uh he wore a couple of times, which was kind
of dope and I had no clue. So, yeah, that's
my Prince story.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Wow, that is an incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
So rest and Free to the legend man, Rest and peace.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
That's one for the kids. That's one for the grandkids.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Very cool, especially if I can hear the single.
Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Yeah, yeah, let's let's uncover that. Man. Let's see who
can help us with that. But if you get to
let me know who that goes. VC. That was a
great way to like finish. Yeah, it's nice to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Always always. I know you're busy, but we got to
do this more often.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yes, sir, I'm in New York right now. We get
ready for heat.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Next Yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
I got Sons, Nuggets. Let's see if the Sons can
get back on tracks stay down. Oh two, so let's
see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
And you talked about it Golden State like they're all
gonna be interesting. It's like like you said, like you
got your heat. Next it's like, ooh, it's Jimmy Butler playing.
Is Randall playing? What's gonna happen? You're talking about Nuggets, Sons? Ooh,
it's can Kadi and those kind of find a way
to kind of get themselves back in the series. And
then it's like, whereas Lakers.
Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Yep, this is a great year. All right, Well let's
let's get that out the way. M v P. What
do you think I think Joel and b is gonna
get it?
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I think Joel is gonna get it.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
But you.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Absolutely you know. But but but it's just like it's
already been. It's regular season though, So that's the thing.
It's like we gotta forget like they choose it for
that's what they say. I agree, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
It was a very tough MVY race and it says
a lot that these three big men continue to dominate
and make it so big Executive consecutive consecutive years here,
so we shall see. But you know, I don't think
anybody can win that of that group, of that those
three finalists, and I don't think you could, you know,
come outside and say it's.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
A mockery of the game like it was, right agreed.
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Uh, you see, I gotta I gotta head to the garden.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
What's going on, Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I'll be watching, I'll be watching. Everyone appreciate you once again.
Man the VC Show. We signed off because I'm chilling.
But that lady right there gotta work, so we out.
Let's go peace
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