Club Shay Shay - Sheryl Underwood Part 1 - The Volume

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So what's what's the dating sem like for cherylnder Wood.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Okay, go ahead, let's play the role accent as now.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
As now, my name is Shenon.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I know you. All I got to do is take
these muscle relaxes. I don't know why you even think
you need to tell me, y'all got, I'm already taking
my clothes. I've even gotten the car, just missing, nagging
on the curve.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, pet price,
one slice, got the brolic geist, the swap all my life.
I've been grinding all my life, all my life, the drowning,
all my life, sacrifice, hustle, peg Price, one.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Slice, got the brolic Geist, the squat all my life.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I
am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propride of
Club shashe Today we're at the Beautiful eight Lounge at
Resource World, Las Vegas, stopping by for conversation on the
drink Today. It's one of America's most love television personalities.
She's broken barriers as a comedian for over thirty five years.
Daytime Emmy and NAACP Image Award winning television host. A

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talented actress, a hilarious performer and entertainer. Sought after public speaker,
multi talented media personality, an ACCLAIM executive producer, prolific writer,
savvy businesswoman and successful entrepreneur. Multifaceted philanthropists. A member of
the Arkansas Black Hall of Fame. A proud Diamond life
member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority. One of one of

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the most entertaining acts around. A legendary comedian, the one,
the only.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Sheryl Underwood and why if Queen Mary Jane, my damn
frantis now his What you thought? What's gonna happen on
your show? This is Club Charlotte. Ye o. You sat
in the car in Denver. Yes, I'm gonna tell the story, Riker,
when you came on the top, you walking out when
the flowers looking all dashing, and I was like, this

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is the same dude I was trying to pull in
the nineteen ninety three Yeah man, Yeah, this you want
to tell you tell it?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
I saw her on Death Comedy on a Comic View
in nineteen ninety two. Uh huh, and she was performing
in Denver me and a couple of my teammates went
to the days like, man, Seryl Leanna was performing. I'm like, man,
she funny is I said, let's go check out. So
we go check out. And so at the end of
the show, it's late. I mean, I think I saw
I saw the light show, and I say, man, you

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know I want to go back here to me. It's like,
do you do she know you'ays like nah, she don't
know me. But she's like, okay. So they knock on
the door, you come in. I introduced my saying, but hey,
I'm shying shop. She's like, and I know who you are.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
You got to ride.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
You ain't got to do all that for Nowaday's propride Plusha.
He don't know how to say no more. But that's
all right. When we was in the car, yeah, because
we was in the car.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
He's in the car.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
You ain't telling the story right, hold on.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
It was it was late and she's like, okay, I'm
going back. I said, you know what, I'll give you
a ride to your hotel. I thought I would just
go give a ride to the hotel. We talk on
the way to the whole hell. She get out, He'll like,
oh nah, and you finished talking to me. I was like, listen,
he ain't telling it right. Let me tell you what
Risley happened. So you walked up to me, big sexy
ass black nigga. Matter of fact, what you need to do?

(03:11):
Put some lotion on your ash.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Air's hand right here? Yeay knuckles looking like Wesley Snap,
get it together, bot. You're too rich to be looking
at ashing two darskin nigroes wearing glasses. Don't need to
be ashy on this shop.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
You are, yeah, you as listen, you better know it.
So here's what happened. So I'm looking at you as
your sexy but and it is quite late, yes, right.
So then you said, well, what would you like to
do after this? So I thought to myself, you know,
what would any other woman want to do? I said,

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I would like to go on the carriage rock. You
said I will take you. I said, hold on, let
me finish selling these CDs. These take these cassette tapes.
And he's supposed to remember that, yes, And so you
are walking up the stairs and I'm still trying to
get my money and some women and if you go
come on, if you're gonna go, and I go, who
you talking?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Can we just make we got it a relationship?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Though?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
You talking to me like we've been together for years,
because you gonna come on if you want.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
To go, and if you go, I'm going. I gotta
go to work in the morning. I ain't got all night.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, And so the women go, you know he's calling you,
he said. I said, I don't give up. I've been
Cheryl under Will long before. So then we get in
the car, can't find the carriage rode, so we talking
and we talk.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
All all that. We talked for about two hours.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Sure did, and we became.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Good number until this day.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Every time, if I'm somewhere and she's there, we're gonna
find a way to connect. Absolutely, she's been this Cheryl,
Yes since I met her in nineteen ninety three.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yes, And I'm very proud of you and what you
have achieved. The question I have for you is what
the is in the cognac to make these dudes come
on this show and bitch up like they talking about
each other? When did men start gossiping shunning? What is
in this show that make people tell stories? First of all,
let click on it cause two country negroes trigger brown liquor.

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Isn't America great?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Unbelievable?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Unbelievable. Well, see, I like sip, mind you like choke
yours down. I was trying to build cosby you one night,
but you wouldn't go for it. I said, I said,
I don't drink, Gone drinking, y'all, don't drink, gone drinking,
gone drinking. And we never had the Instagram accidentally pressed
the button because because I'm too savvy for that. Listen, ladies,

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every red light ain't no smoke detecting. You gotta know
about dudes. You gotta look under the bed. You gotta
seeing the people in the closet. You know what I'm saying.
I came to talk to you. Now there's three more
teammates in the closet. Wait, no, be okay, listen, what
are we supposed to be talking about? Move my lotion
cause you look like you need some more.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
What Let me ask you a question. What is in
this that makes I'm not against dudes coming on here,
but what is making them tell these stories that they
tell the I.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Think the fact is that they want to get this
off their chest. They've been holding this for a long time,
and they don't. They wanted a safe space that they
feel they can share this.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
What I love is no women come on here beefing
like these news, which I think is very entertaining. But
I have said in my comedy show The Mix and
Mingle to a twenty twenty five, if we could get
as many people that watch the episodes of all the
Great Confessions to vote, we would be in a different
political space.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
You would.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
So I need you to use your platform to encourage
good things.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I notice that you kind of throw it out there
and then let them get full of this liquor and
then stop talking and pop it off in the minds.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
No, No, we toad to begin, we toss. Okay, we
told and that's it. Now.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
If they want to pour a little bit more, I don't.
I don't pour them anymore. Yeah, they want to talk, I.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Let them talk, and you let them just talk the
way they talk. Yes, but don't you think it's well
for me. I'm glad it's no females doing this. I'm
glad we don't come on here.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I really had a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
I'm trying to get more, trying to get.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I'm trying to get some more.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I think to be great. Come in and Dale got
long stories me and some more long stories. You heard
about when I accidentally died.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
You're gonna get you. We're gonna get to get it down.
You're trying to let me do my jobs.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Do your John.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, let's let's start off with this.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
What is it true.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
That you started off as a lingerie model in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yes, that's what we were calling it. It was lingerie model.
It's a tavern off Stony Island. I answered the ad.
I was trying to pay my way through school. My
dad was giving me a place to stay and helping
me as much as he could, and I needed to
make money, and so I answered the ad. And you
know I can't walk in hills. Everybody know that. So

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what happens is you put on the lingerirate you my
and then the guys they like it. They'll tip you
to take it off. Oh that's what.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Hell? Talk about your lodgerie.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I just got off CBS.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Can you com me.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I'm trying to get back on daytime.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
What are you doing now?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I was not stripping, I was not surfboarding. I was
not I don't have that kind of skill, that strength.
You know, I don't have that.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
What they call it now. Okay, five for the twenty
for the top and twenty for the bottom. Take that off.
Okay boom. So they were paying for you to take
it off.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, they was paying for me to keep it on
because I was horrible. That's what happened. I was horrible.
That's when I knew I was funny, because God, lets
you know what, you're not supposed to be. Okay, I
think I'm over here doing it, doing it, doing it,
do it. They was like, no, go home, go home.
This is what you need money for school. Them hood
dudes was like, here, take this money, go home, go

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to school because this you cannot do. And I'm not
good at it. That's why if you have sex with me,
it better be lights off. And what Eddie Murphy saying
the movie, can you make it darker? Because I do
not show you certain things people think because of the
type of comedy I do, it's very sexual and profaned
that I'm just throwing it out there that I'm not.
I'm not. I'm really kind of reserved, you know. But

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I was doing that to pay my way through school.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
So that's true because I hear that a lot of times,
that like, I'm only doing this to pay my way
through school. Once I get through school, I will be
done with this.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, I only had a few days to do it
because I just got it. And that's what happened, and
that's why I had to get into comedy. And then
you know when you make a hood due left.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Hood, Yeah, you funny? You does something You're funny.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Right, So that's when I knew I was funny.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
So check this out.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
You got an associate's degree from Fresno City College, a
bachelor's degree from the University of Illinois, Chicago, a master's
degree from Governor State University in Chicago, and an attorney
assistant certificate, and you sell it.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
What the hell you need all them degrees for shirl?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I thought I was going to go to law school
while I was working on my comedy career. And I
have four honorary doctors, three of them from HBCUs, Voyhage College,
Benedict College, and South Carolina State, and one from my
own alma mater, University of Illinois, Chicago. So I am
a doctor four times, even though it's bestowed. But I

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wanted to be able to sit across from my lawyer
and be able to understand the contracts. I want to
sit across from my accountant, be able to understand the numbers.
I wanted to be able to run a corporation. We
are corporations. I did not want someone to be able
to over intellectualize my life when I didn't understand what
was going on. So I felt if I got an education,

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I could stand toe to told with anybody, and I
can talk to anybody. I've been to the White House,
you know, when President Obama came in. The only reason
I was cautious about going is because my father was
not alive to see a black man become president of
the United States, and that kind of made me feel melancholy.
But when you talking about where we come from, who

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we are to be able to do what we're doing,
there is some sophistication to that. Most comics, very very smart, athletes,
very very smart. But people don't want to portray us
as that we created all knowledge, all law, medicine. Go
back to the Motherland and you will see what we
created navigation. We were in countries. Go back and look

(11:24):
at everybody's statues and you will show that we whether
it's a statue or somebody looked just like you. In
every country out there, every country was in Game of Thrones.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
So you you wanted to do all this, yes, but
comedy got your sidetracked.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
No, comedy is where I made my money. Comedy is
where I found I can make money. I mean, I
had jobs. I was a waitress, you know, I did
my jobs on campus and things like that. But where
I found that I was most prolific was comedy. And
I remember calling my father and telling them I was
going to do a show called Death Comedy Jam. And
my father, you know, very spiritual family, you know. And

(12:07):
I said, Daddy, I'm going to do this show on HBO.
He said, what is It's called death Comedy Jam. What
you're gonna be doing? I said, I'm do comedy you Yes,
I'm just like, yes, sir, Yes, sir, I'm do comedy.
The only thing he asked me was was I good
at it? And I said, I'm one of the best
at adult comedy. I'm good at it. He said. Because
he called me his son, because I'm his firstborn. He said, son,

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as long as you are the best at it, I
will support it, and I'm going to pray that God
gives you time the way he gave you. Know how
we country people tell Eddi Murphis, you know what I'm saying,
and Richard Prize. So he prayed for that. But he
never came to see me live because after he got saved,
gave his life to Christ, he said he told God

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he would not go into a nightclub, a tavern, a bar,
or anything. So he never saw me live, but he
would watch me on team and he got a kick
out of them for Fane because he said, people would
love to see you with your little glasses on with
a Bible in your hand, but that's not what you're portrayal.
That's not what I'm portraying. But I do sprinkle God

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in the show because I believe God knew me before
I knew myself. So for me, comedy was the thing
that paid my bills. Comedy was the thing that I
loved and has loved me back unconditionally. And I believe
I'm good at what I do. And I never planned
to be a female comic. I wanted to be a
great comic. And when Chris Rock says on the twenty

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fifth anniversary of death, County. Damn. The two people he
didn't want to follow, Bernie Mack and me. That's a
badger honor.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Wow, Saryl, when did you know you were funny? Were
you funny as a kid?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
No, I'm doing an impersonation of my father and my brother,
my oldest brother. All my family members are funny. My
uncle William, Uncle Junior, all Uncle Bill, all my uncles,
uncle CLEI if all of them are funny, on both
sides of my family, mother, father, you know, everybody's funny.
So I would just sit in the kitchen and I
was trying to figure out. I started as a singer,

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you know, singing the church choir, you know, but when
you black and you saying you got to sign, you
can't just love Yeah, you can't just play around with it.
So I had to really find something I could do.
I started as a dancer. That's how I got into
you know what I call sexual interpretive dance. I wasn't
good at that falana you know, Paula Keller, you know
how old I am. So I thought I was going

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to be that. But then when I couldn't cut into that,
I said, I gotta find a way because I knew
I want to be in the entertainment business because I
wanted to be in a business that would appreciate all
of my talent as performer and producer. So once I
got the comedy and found I could do it, and
there was a certain type. It was political, sexual and spiritual.

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That's what I do. And I found a way to
do it well and then get dropped on a daytime,
daytime talk shop.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, oho, you have all these jobs? You intern for
Oprah at w LSTV.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Wow, y'all, Doug Deep Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Did you have Did you have interactions with Oprah?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Absolutely? Absolutely? And Oprah is a very smart and prolific
person with a great sense of humor. But see, I
was living in Chicago, Okay, so we would. I remember
when Stadman was a model and he had a billboard
cross Cottage Grove and he was playing basketball I think overseas,
and you know they would bring all the you know,
go up to Trinity, you know church. You know we

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Church of Christ. We eighties seven Street Church of Christ.
They Trinity. You know, you can go to all church.
I go to all churches because I want to enjoy
the Word of God preached by somebody that know the
Lord and with some great music and a good dinner
after this opera and be able to buy soda. But
for me, seeing Oprah Winfrey and then becoming a talk
show host on my own, I think she opened the

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doors for us. But one of the things that I
remember is when she came to Chicago in the eighties,
it was the bub Billiken Parade and it was raining,
and we were all looking at the TV, going, we
hope this system makes it and look at what God
has done for her life.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Did you when you were interning for Oprah did you
have any idea she would become what she later become
what he is.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, you can see it. You can see it. And
I believe in friendly competition, you know, for people say,
oh she knocked off Donahue. No, what she did was
elevate the game so it could go to a different level.
And I would like to do the same. And since
you over here giving people podcast jobs and all kinds
of jobs, okay, how can I be down? And I
need my money in cash training because you know, if

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we wasn't gonna kick it, like, should I need my
money in cass? You try to do I want You're
gonna produce it. Yeah, Okay, now listen to me. Don't
don't be just because we you know, we're in the
camera and I need to look at.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Five years now.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I need to tell the world this is a commitment
brothers and sisters, something that he doesn't do well.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So you've heard them say that's CJ. C J. Hammill's
club share in the podcast.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You you were Doe. Okay, what would you suggest that
I do? Because I have an idea, Well.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
That's on you because if you do it authentically, if
this is something that you really want to do, as
opposed to me telling you what I think you should do,
it's got to come from here.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I know what I want to do. I want to
be everything I couldn't do in daytime. I want to
do it at night time. Okay. I want the language
to be relaxed. I want to be able to ask.
I want to be having one question. What the heck
was you thinking? That's what I want to ask to me.
That is the show, what the was you thinking? And
I want to be small, cozy with a little bit
of audience and whether you're a social media phenomenon or

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a politician. I want to ask Republicans now that y'all
want you're broke at your body, what you're gonna do?
What you're thinking? You know what I'm saying. I want
to ask democrats, so when you're lost, what you're gonna do? Now?
You know what I'm saying. I want to be able
to ask athletes questions. Old boy with the girl? Right?
He love her? You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Jalen agree with the with drel machine.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
No, the other girl? Travis Travis Dunter.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, okay, he love her, don't it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Okay, but now he won't be able to sample the
greatness of the buffet that God is about to lay
in front of him. Will he if he stick with
that one girl?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
He might that's all he wants.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
He might just his palate, That's all he want right now.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
His palette might not be you know.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Listen to me, Okay, listen camera, listen to me. I
done went through two different conferences, different leagues. I don't
ww four five super Bowl rings out of wintfence. Indeed, listen,
I've got diving people out. You know. Wait, I lost
somebody over a misunderstandingstandy, Okay, so I'm a name. Well,

(18:52):
I don't know if I want a name, name, because.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I don't name. But what was the misunderstanding?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Okay, So I thought I was dating the quarterback of
a football team, and I was really happy. Then I
thought I was gonna put on an apron and live
happily ever after. While I still work in comedy, things
were going well. I taped a laugh of a Looser
with Jamie Fox. Jammie Fox Marcus King had a great set,
great political set. Thought I was gonna bomb because everybody

(19:17):
was doing a club set. And this was back when
Baby Bush was in office after September eleventh, and I
was doing some very sophisticated hood political material. Go get
the tape and you'll see what I was doing. Get
a standing ovation in the set. David Allen Grid comes
around the corner. I can tell the story because he
tells it too. David Allen Grid comes around the corner.
I think he's going to hug me to congratulate me.

(19:39):
He slives me down. Tickle them tonsils all the way
down into in the epic glider, all the way down
in the intestines, all the way to where I was
trying to find David Allen Grid that night. And then
when the tape. When the show comes out, I get
a phone call. I don't think this is going to

(20:00):
work out. So what are you talking about? You kiss
some other men? Who did I kiss? Then he tells
me what, I didn't kiss him. He kissed me.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Why did you tell him?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Though?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
They say, Look, there's gonna be a situation that I
did very well in my set and a friend of
mine he came and he you know, he gave me
a kiss.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I didn't think Jamie and there was gonna leave it
in the footage. I thought it was congratulates. I thought
it would have been me. They left it in the footage,
so I didn't see it. I don't watch me after
it's you know, edited and everything, because I was like, oh,
they took out the joke about the frog and the diaper.
You know I don't do that. So when they left

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it in there, and then what bothered me is you
didn't ask me anything. You just told me. Why do
strong athletic men get upset about the littlest thing. You
win a damn super Bowl, it's all over you.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'm not gonna be mad, but I don't mean he
toung them down.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, But if you want to you can. Matter of fact,
I need for you to tag in because I'm not
doing all this work. Tag in, come out, get this.
When I said, come on, get this long stroke because
I'm not doing it. I'm gonna go outside and make sandwiches.
Cause you look like you're gonna be hungry, I said this.
I'm over there, massages and shoulders. You can handle this, girl.

(21:20):
I'm gonna take it this crowning every night. You're gonna
do it. Come on there. If you and I was married,
If let's say you and I was married, and you
wanted to what would be the freakest thing you would
want to do? Because I know you freaking I ain't real.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Left freaking shut up public. I would like to thought
of being caught, but not being caught. So the problem
of somebody walking by and actually seeing me?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh you voyeuristic? You want somebody to see you?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Okay? Would you want to do a fivesome? You and
four women?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
No? Why? One on one?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
No wonder. I dodged the bullets that night because I
wasn't taking all of that. No, when you got up
the car, I said, yine, damn, and then I said
thank you Jesus. And then when you was like, well,
I'm gonna go home and go to bed. I was like, whoa,
because I wasn't taking all that, because you know I'm short,
you know yo big blocking out the moon. I was like, oh,

(22:14):
thank you, thank you. I wasn't taking all of that.
If all you women that want to have sex with
that guy, she ain't.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
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Speaker 1 (23:41):
Jack Springer, were you on James Springer?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I was Springer.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
So I used to do this, do jokes about my complexion.
Now people say, well, why do you talk about the
way you look? Why do you talk about because self
depreciation in comedy is a standard to talk about yourself.
I really don't like to talk about people because people
get their feelings. They do, you know, they get the
feelings hurt. But I will talk about people generally. But
then at that time, I was talking about being darker skinned.

(24:07):
You and I both had this same conversation. Yes we
are pretty black, am I? Right? Body look all one color.
If you lay down on the table right now, you're
gonna disappell because your body is all one color. Right.
So I was doing jokes like that. So then someone said,
would you come on, Jerry Springer, We're gonna talk about
light skinned dit versus dark skin dit. And me and

(24:29):
my sister went on there because you know, we all
have that in our family. One of us is this,
one of us is that. And it was a great
experience and it taught me how to do TV because
I was hitting them jokes. I was hitting them jokes,
and that's how I got a reputation to be on TV.
And if it wasn't for Jerry Springer's appearance and the view,

(24:53):
if it wasn't for the view, I don't think I
would have landed on the Talk because they may not
have seen me or may have felt because my comedy
is so adult that I couldn't do daytime TV.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
When did you find out you could get on stage?
And you know what, I can actually make a career.
I can make a living doing this.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
When I got paid for it, I can do it.
That's right, I can do it. And you know, first
you get a little bit of money, get enough money
to fill your gas tank up. And I remember working
at Republic Insurance in North Hollywood in California, and I
was an underwriter. So I would work my eight to
five job, keep my club closing the trunk of the car,

(25:31):
go drive and do a gig and sometimes drive to
three different cities in southern California that night, and then
come back to the job, sleep in my car and
go to work. But that's what a college education did
for me. But a street sensibility, that grind, that hustle
is what made me do it, what made I have
to succeed, even getting on Deaf Comedy Jam. I was

(25:52):
trying to get on Deaf Comedy Jam and they heard
about me, but I was performing under two names, my
maiden name and my married name, so I think they
thought it was two different people. So by the time
my husband dies and I moved to Los Angeles, I'm
still trying to get on the show. And me and
another comedian, Andre, we drove to New York. We missed

(26:13):
the audition at the Peppermint. By in an hour, the
Peppermint had closed, and I remember we came back. My
cousin Baby Doll and my other cousin, Ernest Lee took
me to the Peppermint Lounge and my cousin Baby Doll
worked for a hush production. That's Melvine Moore's a company

(26:34):
management company with Freddie Jackson and them. So we get there.
I think I'm a bomb because Marvin Dixon gets up
and you know, he does that Jamaican dance. Our girl
tears the room apart. Bill Vellamie brings me up and
they tell me to do seven minutes. I think I
ended up doing because I think I drank about the
triple shot of gin me triple shot meat, and I

(26:56):
just went on autopilot and I did ten minutes of
political humor and ten minutes of sexual spiritual humor and
got a stand inovation. And that's when I got Apollo,
Comedy Hour, Uptown and Death County Jam same day, same night.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
You mentioned about all the Okay, you're working eight, you're
working eight to five, You kept your clothing, the car.
You go do a gig, you drive the different cities
than you do the other gigs. You sleep in your car,
You're highly educated, you got multiple degrees the grind. A
lot of people don't want to grind like that, especially man.
Somebody just need to give me a job. I got
all these degrees. But that wasn't your thought process. You like, Hey,

(27:36):
I'm a grind. I'm gonna make it even though I
have all these degrees. Yes, I know the grind. I
know what it takes.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Oh, I'm grinding right now. The talk is off the air.
But I want to take that experience to produce content movies,
unscripted everything, TV shows. But you got to have that
grind because you're gonna get no more than you get. Yes, yes,
And people are depending on me. My sister depends on
My disabled sister is depending on me. So I gotta

(28:03):
make this work. Where does she go if something happens
to me? Now? Would I like to have a man
by my side that helped me build and run this empire? Hell? Yeah?
But the average man, And this is what we hear,
you're intimidating. I don't know, no true man, No hard
leg dude is intimidated by a five to two woman
that talk for a living. Am I right?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay? Why Am I not right?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
No, I'm not saying you're right because he shouldn't be
because he has his own. Why is he intimidated by
what you're doing?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
And he don't have to have his own. He can
work at the damn gas station. I know I'm gonna
get free gas and honeymothers and all kinds if my
man work at the gas.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
What the way we were brought up, uh huh is
that the man takes care of the house.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
The woman doesn't take care of the man.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
I don't probably you grew up in Arkansas, for no
mistaken I grew up in Georgia, Yes, And every situation
that I saw is that the man, my uncle, my grandfather,
everybody that I knew, the man ran the house. The
man took care of everything. And so to have it
the flip side, I don't know a lot of times
men ego and their pride.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, here's what my dad told me. He said, listen, son,
he said, you're gonna have a problem because a man
goes to work Monday through Friday, get his check and
want to take his gal out for dinner or a
movie or something, and go to church on Sunday, you
will be working those days. But if a man truly,
truly looks beyond that and see what we can build,

(29:28):
young or old, what you can build with a woman
by your side that understands I'm that when I'm working,
When I come home, I'm going to fix the meal.
I'm gonna fix your plate. I don't eat before a
man eat. I did not eat before my father ate.
A lot of women go, you stupid as fuck. No,
that's just the way I was raised. Respect for a man.
And if you are a real man, you will understand.

(29:50):
I'm not out in these streets doing nothing. I'm not
going to different cities doing nothing. What I want is
a man by my side that will help me build.
And that's what I'm looking for for. And I think
there's a man. There are men out there that I
think would be with me. The only thing is if
you're if you think that's what I am, If you
think I'm argumentative because I'm so good at what I

(30:12):
do on stage, then get to know me. That's the
biggest problem. We don't get to know each other. And
then I think sometimes as women, we so used to
being a man and a woman in our relationship that.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
We don't got to fall back and just be the one.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
There you go, and I know how to make a sandwich.
You want to change on your sandwiches? What you need?
What you need? I know what to do. I want
to pick up the dry cleaning. I want to do
what I saw my my mama, mama who raised me
and who was married to my father. I want to
do what they do. I want to be the wife
while I go out and slay a dragon. We back

(30:45):
to back on slaying these dragons. That's what I want.
So how can I find it? And who are you? All? Right? Now?
Don't I have a toe free number?

Speaker 1 (30:54):
What we're gonna put put one.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Up at the end of the show. That's why the
tour is called the Mix and Mingle Tour, because I
want people to mix me. There are a lot of
lonely people out there, but you know who's lonely the
most men, Men who don't want to take the chance
of getting to know a woman and saying that's that's
my girl. That's what I'm looking for, you know, So
why not? And if you can take me without a

(31:17):
wig and makeup because I look like George Jefferson, whatever
if you could take that, if you can take the
fact that all I want to do is watch the news.
I watch sports all day long. I watch news all
day long. I watch old movies all day long. But
I'm gonna do what I need to do as a
wife and a woman that love you. But I work
around guys, ain't nothing happening to it. I don't I

(31:39):
pay what God damn is that? You think I'm this dude? Well, yeah,
call and get it. Go, get it, Get this Bundy,
get this bunny your job. It's not over come. Get
this funny son. She it's not as bad as she things.
Cause usually I tell people, I tell, you know, ask

(31:59):
me when we get to dating. We need to talk
about dating. And maybe I'm doing it wrong. Maybe that's
where I'm you think, because I will tell a man,
you know, whether I'm giving up some ass or I
will tell him you know, it's it's not gonna be
as great as you think. I got one good move,
one good one good. No, I got one and a
half one and a half. I do one thing very well. Yeah,

(32:22):
where are you frying?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
I hain't Friday, cause.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
You could have had it, but your hands jumped out
the car, like jumped out of the car like he
was on the Duke's hals or something. You didn't jump
out the car fast midnight. I gotta go to White
You was gonna sleep wherever you was. I'm gonna drop you.
I was. I got one good move. I'm gonna drop
him that night, like.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I mean, I'm old school shot. You don't do that
on the first date.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
On the first night, we had been talking from one
night to the next night. You said that you men
to night, so it was two nights. It was two nights.
You need to pay a tens. I had a strategy, ladies,
I had I'm gonna talking all the way until he
got too sleepy to drive. That's it.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
What do you remember your first time on stage?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
First? You mean paid as a comedian or just on.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, first paid? Your first gig?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Oh, probably was the humming Bird in Chicago. But I
have been doing comedy everywhere. I've been doing comedy. In
high school, I was the rally commissioner at Wada High
Castle Air Force Base and I somehow fdangled my way
into being the rally commissioner and there were big productions.
That's when I knew I wanted to produce content. We

(33:38):
as the Falcons, we weren't winning the game, you know.
Merced Monsell at high school was always beating us. The
Bears was always beating the Falcons. But the rallies were
low attended events. When I became rally commissioner, everybody was
getting up early in the morning to come to reps
because I was doing comedy. I had music in it, dancing.

(33:59):
I had at least five hundred people in a gym
wow every Friday when we had games. So that's when
I knew I could produce and it was funny. My principal,
mister CJ. Gross, he said, you know, you're very, very funny.
Don't let these young people pull you down the road
of blue adult comedy. In my mind, I was thinking,

(34:19):
it's too late, missus Grove, because I'm already there. I'm
already there because who I loved in comedy, the Richard Prior,
you know, the Pigmy Markhams, you know the comics that
I loved and wanted to be like. I want to
be Gregory Richerd Prior, but I wanted to be some
of those comics that I want to be able to
talk about anything anyway with a language that the street

(34:43):
will understand and bring people together at the same time,
even if you disagree with.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Me Middle Comedy Search, Yes, how did you get discovered
for that?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
We heard that there was a competition and they didn't
normally you don't have a lot of females in the competition.
And I remember that was where I met Damon Walliams
okay and great mentor for me, and he was trying
to produce a sitcom for me to be in. And
all the males who understood what I was trying to do,

(35:14):
they always encouraged me. When people say, well, do you
think it was hard for you because it was a female,
No harder than it was for anybody else. You had
to be funny. Did I think that it was gonna
be an easy way? It wasn't an easy way for
a lot of people, ask Kevin Hart. Wasn't easy for him?
Asked Steve Harvey. Wasn't easy for him? Asked Seder, asked
Chris Tucker? Was it easy? When you get the opportunity,

(35:35):
you gotta be ready for the opportunity. So getting the
Miller Lite Comedy Search, even though I did not win,
I placed enough to be respected. So if you look
at the history of comedy. The great comics sometimes do
not win comedy competitions. They may place, or they may
come in dead last, and it gives them that drive

(35:55):
to go or I'm a come back. I was in
the Berry of Black Comedy competition, I think three years
in a row. I placed in the top five three
years in a row, and I was told that a
woman will never win it. Okay, cool, I ain't got
to win it. All I need to do is win
over the audience.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
And that's that's what you're trying to win. That's right now,
the competition.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
If I win the audience, they're gonna come see me
at a later day and time somewhere.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh, I like to win competition. When we want an
Emmy on the top. I was like, oh, yeah, that's
what I'm talking about. When we won the NAACP Award,
I was happy about that. Winning competitions is it's the
cherry on top of It's just like you win in
Super Bowl. Yes, it's the cherry on top.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Of everything, the validation of all your heart.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
That's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
But in nineteen eighty nine, you were you were the
first female finalists for the Miller like comedy search.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Absolutely, what do you remember most about that experience?

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Because you said, although you didn't win, you got some
great mentorshare from Damon Waym's. But it drove you because
you had won the audience, Because even though you didn't win,
you felt you won the audience that at a later
day and time, when you got your own thing, they
gonna come see.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Sheryl loved win absolute and the fact that I could
bring men in women together. In the beginning, I was
telling so much, so many sexual jokes. Women was popping
out of my show, like the Great Pumpkin. I'm not
done that, no man, Well that's why your man looking
up here at me. And I ain't the finest broad
in the world, but I'm the most focused. I'm gonna
do what you don't do. Well. While this is a

(37:20):
part of my personality, it is the type of material
I love to do. Adult comedy. To me, you have
to be a really good comic that can come from
adult comedy to clean comedy. Clean comes if you look
at What's what's the guy named Bob Saggin, Bob Saggan
and I when he was alive. God rest is so

(37:41):
good dude, But we would talk about adult material being
in daytime, us being in daytime and family stuff. But
the most fun is to tell an adult sexual joke.
Why because there's only two maybe three ways that has
sex for if you really creative and short on the
five too, it's only a few ways to do it,

(38:02):
but to be able to talk about it humorously and
make everybody laugh. See, I'm doing political material, but what
brings the audience together sexual relationship material.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
And that's what doesn't Bernie mac Adell Gibbing said, you
the entertainer will also participant in the middle like comedy search,
did you have did you have interaction with those absolutely?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I remember talking to Adele and uh And on the
West side. I think they did a round of the
Milla like comedy search in Roses and she was like,
I want to do what you do. And I remember
that night because I was going through things in my
marriage that night. But I always knew my father said,
nobody cares about what you're going through in your life.

(38:44):
You are the entertainment that they paid to see. So
swallow all of that and get your you hear me say, swallow,
swallow and get yourself together. So that night. I remember
meeting Adele. She said she wanted to do it. I said,
do you they can't steal you, they can't steal your life,
and don't let nobody tell you you cannot do it.

(39:05):
And people say, well, what do you feel about other
female comics. I want us all to win and succeed.
I want us all to make movies. I want us
to do sitcoms. I want us to open the door
for each other. Monique is one of the greatest actors,
not actress. In my book actur what that did in press?

(39:27):
Listen to me, Listen to lady. When I saw her,
I said, I want to fight you so bad because everything, yes,
but everything I had gone through in my life, molestations, rape,
everything that I could see that person, you know, and
I've been around that person, I've lived. But that girl

(39:49):
is such a talented that woman, it's such a talented
act tour. When you're talking about the skill of some more,
the skill of Adele, the skill of Tiffany hattis the
skill of all female But why are we not making movies?
Why aren't the guys that can do it, Kevin can produce,
Why aren't they producing us together in something and we've

(40:10):
got to put aside any differences that we have for
the greater good of us getting a bag for our families,
our mortgages, our children, going through college, our retirement. We
need to come together, right, Bernie.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Mac your legend. Everybody speaks nothing but highly. He's held
in the highest high absolut regards.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
What do you remember about your interacting with Bernie.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I knew Bernie when we called him blue because he
was so black. He was blue, and he was friends
with the Navius Cobb on the street that we lived
on in Chicago. She lived across the street from us.
And he was always a family man, integrity, a good guy.
He was like the father figure to us, like the
older brother figure he was. And he would ask, sure,

(40:53):
why you don't dress up on stad? I said, listen,
let me tell you something. If these jokes ain't funny,
it don't matter what I'm wearing. Right. So, but I
would always takes a vice and counselor. I'm kind of feisty,
you know. I say, I am my mother's daughter and
my father's son, so I'm gonna talk back to you
because that's what Mama did, you know. But Bernie was
the kind of guy that if he felt he could

(41:13):
help you get that joke tighter or advance your career.
He was that guy. And maybe I'm kind of I
don't know if you're this way too. I'm kind of reclusive.
Would you say I'm gregarious when I need to be gregarious?
But most of the time, I'm private and I'm reclusive.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
I tell people, I explain myself to people like this,
I'm the mouse, outgoing introvert you're gonna meet.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
There is me too, me too. You're not gonna know
too much about me. You may have shaken hands with
somebody I dealt with, and I'm not gonna disrespect you
or him. You know, I just don't. You know. I
talked for a living, but I don't talk about everything.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Def Comedy Jail. That was the pinnacle.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Martin and so many of the comedians that we see today,
they got their start there.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yes, do you remember much about that?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I remember driving to New York, staying with my cousin
Ernest Lee and my cousin Christina, and going after I
got Deaf Comedy Jam, they ask could you stay over
and do death comedy Jam? And when I they said
they would give me some money because I didn't have
any clothes. So what you see me wearing that little

(42:24):
bitty orange shirt and them stretched pants and them boots,
them superhero boots that I was wearing. That is what
I wore to drive from Los Angeles to New York
because I couldn't find clothes. And what money they'd give me.
You know, when you don't know a city, you don't
know where to go, down to the alley, down to
the you know, the place to get a five dollars

(42:46):
shirt and some ten dollars slacks. You know what I'm saying.
So what I'm wearing is what I'm wearing. And then
I remember they would do the walk through. But when
I came to do the walk through, I could hear
people whispering, that's her, that's her. That's the girl that
torew up ever met. That's her. That's her. So we
get there and Martin is reading the reading the script

(43:08):
on what they're gonna say, and so, uh, they asked you,
what was your first joke was your last joke? And
I think my first joke was two drinks no either,
business ain't need to suck more and uh yeah, yeah, uh,
and it was two jokes, first joke, last joke, and

(43:32):
everybody was laughing. They was like snickering, and then I said,
I said Martin, I said, miss Lawrence because I had
seen him perform. I've watched him do a show in Chicago.
Adelle gibbings Martin Lawrence and Chris Rock one of the
greatest shows I've ever seen. Right, So I said Martin,
I said, can you just change? Because they had me

(43:54):
from Chicago, I said, can you just change? I live
in Los Angeles now, and he was like, okay, cool.
And so it was asked of me why, and I said,
because if a promoter is looking for me to book me,
I need him to know where I am because I'm
always about my money, right, I'm always about my business.
I'm about my paper. And I had to learn that
night pacing so because I was gunning them jokes, pow

(44:17):
pow pow power, but I was gunning them so hard
that people have to take a time to breathe. And
once you learn that technical skill of how to do
a TV show set, then you can you can always
clean it up. So when I did showtime at the
Polo or, they was getting ready to Bullard system and
I had the flu when I did show time at
the Polo, but I was determined, you are not going

(44:37):
to boo me. I'm going to get to these jokes.
So by the time I get to the things that
I've done where my set wasn't great, it didn't bother me.
When I did Indecision ninety six with Bill Maher, they
wanted me to only talk about being a black Republican,
But there's jokes above and below that that you have
to do. So I love the fact that my career
is always a work in progress even now. Even now,

(45:00):
the Sheryl Underwood legend is what fused me to always
be a good comic and understand what to say any
given Sunday, Ye, any given stage time. You may not
get them that day, but you better have some jokes
that always bring them back to you. So deaf comedy
jam And that was also the first time that they
told me I couldn't take my person on stage.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Yeah, to tell people, you explained to me, I kind
of know the backdrop of it, and I wonder why
you ain't got that cheap ass person that you had
to differ.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It ain't here, it here, it ain't here.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
We go over there and what she pers are you
talking about? And that's why, Julian Burke, Well, listen, that's
why I still have money. I have persons like I
have boxes of really classy Louis Vitan's and and uh
was it loubeton la boutine or how you pronounced this?
But if you spend all your money on that, you

(45:53):
will not have money. My little ponderosa is paid for.
If I get one good income text check, my car
will be paid for. What is my dad to make
sure my sister has twenty four hour care?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
So I can adore my size. This is a synthetic
Amazon wig. Look good down it and it's anchored down.
But I have custom made hair. I have the finest
of the finest for my work. But I also know
how to manage my money. That had to mine my money,
and I want to make some more of it. Two.
But you asked me the question about the purse. Really

(46:29):
it was a feeling of not just security. But when
I finish what I'm doing, I'm gonna walk out of
the venue. I saw Richard Lewis when he was alive,
great comic. He would only come into the club when
it was time for him to perform. You know, I
watch all comics. Mitch Harberg, Oh my god, in love
with Mitch Harberg, thought I was going to marry him.

(46:49):
I watch all comics to study them, to study their greatness.
Marshall warfare. She had a skill that I wanted to
learn how to do. So, when you're talking about telling jokes, yeah,
the joke is, why do you carry your person on stage?
Because white folks still any rate? End is a show enough?
Take two or three. That's a joke. Yeah, that's right.

(47:10):
It's a joke. And the and the second joke that
goes with it is, I fear for my life when
I'm when white people get on the elevator. Remember it
was when we get on the elevator. That's right. So
I reverse that joke when white people get on the elevator,
I grab my person, call out for the law, Jason,
let me make it to the lobby. That's Those are
jokes that you can reverse, right.

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Speaker 1 (49:02):
You got the gig, the comic view, you were the host?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yes, but I had lost it. Yeah, Remember I had
lost it. I think two times? Did I lose it
two times? But I was not mad. I think it
was what's the baby name? Young lady? Montana Taylor? Montana
Taylor won and some more ones. Yes, right, And people say, well,
are you against female comments? No, I support female commiss

(49:28):
but like the Bible say, everything ain't your time, everything
ain't your season. I just had to learn how to
pull myself together and go okay, go back up the
back again. By the time I got it, because people
didn't believe that these Sheryl Underwood could do a clean set.
They didn't believe it. They didn't believe the material that
I was doing. I was out there telling o J.
Simpson jokes long before anybody else. I was telling God

(49:50):
Rest his Soul Kobe Bryant jokes, but I was telling
it from a different point of view. Matter of fact,
I did miss Summer Magic, Remember magic, Johnson? You said
miss Summer Magic out and in LA and I was
telling these jokes from a different position. I wasn't trying
to hurt Kobe's family. It was just things that I
knew that I wanted that humor to come off, and

(50:10):
I put it in the direction I felt that it
should go. It wasn't all about him. It was all
about a setup, you know. And those jokes were getting
standing ovations O J. Simpsons jokes because we really wasn't
cheering OJ. We was cheering Johnny Cochrane because we needed somebody.
And now who do we have now? Being Crump with
Being Crump show up. Matter of fact, you and Being

(50:31):
Crump need to do a movie and a talk show
because both of y'all some thick tongue intellectuals.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Big got that money though he ain't got no money,
I ain't got nothing.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
He got it.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
You better know it, You better get with y'all can
play brothers in a movie that was no cue, and
then had y'all had little babies, and y'all wine and
cry with a thick tongue, and then y'all grew up
tongue just to thick. Make a lot of money. That
would be great.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I might look at that, look into you thinkuld be
an actor?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Hey, oh yeah, hell yeah? You know what I like
for Okay, one thing I don't do devil worship. That's
why I'm not an actor. Now people say you act.
I was in beauty shop and I almost didn't get that.
I almost didn't get that. Let me tell you something.
We had heard that they were looking for as Cheryl
Underwood type.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Well, that why I get sure a little bit.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
That's what I said. Right, So I got my happy
ass on the plane, flew back from the gig in Orlando,
went in and auditioned and got the job. And matter
of fact, it was Sherry Shepherd, who you know, she
knew how to do movies. And one day I went
to her trailer and I just burst into tears, and

(51:37):
she said, what's wrong? I said, everything I'm trying to do.
Either they've given it to somebody else or they don't
want to do it with me. I said, I don't
know how long I can do this. Maybe I need
to go teach school. And we both got on our
knees and she prayed for me that day, and that's
when we went out to do the scenes. And you

(51:59):
remembers monkey bread because I was catfish reader with a
monkey bread and it made everybody laugh, and Queen Latifa said, Okay,
you can keep doing that, and then they kept writing
a bigger and bigger part for me. And that's how
I get it.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
You negotiated comic they was getting one thousand dollars instead
of one hundred and fifty. Why did you feel why
did you feel you need at that moment? This was
what Cheryl Underwood needed to do.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
We had heard that there was discussion I think it
was Comedy Central with the white comics, and in these
meetings there were black comics going, well what about comic
view And being in a Greek letter organization, we know
parliamentary procedure, we know meeting structure, and so when we
went to the meeting, they said, well, you black people

(52:48):
handle that, right, So we okay, we're going to handle that.
And in the discussions we put together our committees, we
reviewed laws, you know, see, that's why a college education
and if you went to an HBCU, you really got
a good education. You got life and education and culture.
So those of us that were in Greek letter organizations

(53:10):
and went to college and in HBCUs, we came together
to form a sub unofficial subcommittee. So when it came
time for certain things, and we had Tim Allen signing
our petition in variety, Jay Leno, we had the comics
backing a big time comics backing us when all we
wanted it to be fair. But there was one thing,
one line I said, I will not cross. We will

(53:33):
not pick it Bob Johnson at BT, we will not
do that. We will not give them the photo opportunity
of us against another black man, right or wrong. I
just didn't feel that that was the right thing to do,
and I felt that he would do the right thing,
and he did.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Wow, people run up on stage fighting.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Comedian ms Pass said he the fault comedians before were
are you? I mean somebody has anybody ever run up
on stage on you got mad to you saying something
during your set?

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Has anybody else got.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I was in Monrovia, California, and you know, I didn't
know what kind of location Monrovia was. This is the
kind of location that you don't see a lot of
us in. You know what I'm saying. This was long
before Trump was making America great. This was long before
So I was booked to do a gig. I did
the gig, and I guess some white man didn't like
what I was talking about, and he threw a beer

(54:22):
at my head and it passed my head and busted
on the wild and it was beer splattered everywhere. But
I'm gonna tell you where a well placed joke goes.
I was telling so many good sexual jokes. Other white
boys whooped that dude's ass. What yeah this and then
went finish your shot. Good comedy is still good comedy

(54:44):
if you would just let us get to it. There
are people that disagree with me on my political stances,
or they may think that the show is too sexual.
But once you walk into a nightclub, a comedy club,
I'm doing Harris. I want to do all casinos. I
want to do all comedy clubs, not just for the
money before the career. And so when you come into
a nightclub experience, my job is to move food and

(55:06):
drinks and entertain and not let people get up and
walk out, so I will instinctively scan the audience to
see what's going on. That's why I have two male
acts with me, Kyle Irby and Mike Washington. Why because
I don't want a man to come into my show
and go it's you go, it's an hour and a half.
A niggas, ain't. That's not what my show is about.
It is a love fest. It is a party. It

(55:26):
is a house party. It's me talking like we talk,
you know what I'm saying, and having a good time.
And then at the end, guys get up. You can
walk across the stage and you might win my money.
That's why we mixing and mingling. But I will say this,
the people who have been upset with my show, I've
tried to polish my performance to a point where you go,

(55:46):
wait on me. Something in my set. You're going to
enjoy it. Just wait on me. Hold on, and do
I need to buy you a drink? Because I was
lighting white women up. I would lightening them back is up.
And I saw you talking to Donnelle Rawlings about uh
does he date them? Is that what he doing?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I think so?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
You think? So?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I think that's I don't know.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I don't I think that she might be she might
be like Latino or Hispanic or something like that.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
That's what about. That's brown. That's brown. That's brown on
both sides, black and brown. But my thing is, I
think we should let our men date whoever they want
to date. If that's what you like.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Yeah, I like who liked me?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
That's me. That's that's how I feel when I was
dating white men. Do you think I sought them out? No,
white men want to date the darkest of us because
they feel like that's the uncut, that's the bombs right.
I'm not saying that that's what I want to love.
I mean in dating them, it was a feeling that
I had, but I wanted to be with who wanted

(56:48):
to be with me?

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah, I mean, what's wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I would say there is something wrong when it only
goes to the bedroom. Why do you only like me sexually?
If you might like me intellectually and sexually. And I've
been in situations where white men, well, I'm taking you
to the country club, and you're gonna go to country club.
I don't want to go to country club with you.
Why I meet you at to nineteenth whole, I'm gonna

(57:12):
I'm gonna sit down. You know what I'm talking about.
I play golf to enjoy the course. I'm not a
great golfer. I just want I hit it where it land.
If I really get my game together, I can do
pretty good. But I don't really play golf to talk
to people. I play golf to enjoy the course. But
if you taking me to the country club just to
show how liberal or progressive you are, that was an

(57:34):
uncomfortable feeling for me. So if you were a Latin
man who was in love with me, I've had a
lot of crushes in my life, Latin men, white men,
Asian men, all kind of men, black men. But that's
what I love. That's what I think understands me, understands
when things don't go well. But I've sampled everything God

(57:55):
had made on the buffet of love. But I'm not
against our men eating outside of the race. What I'm
against is when you down us to uplift somebody else.
And that's why I was telling those jokes, where you
get the worst that you can find. But I can't
be what I am. I'm too talkative, I'm too ambitious,
I'm too strong. I gained five pounds for me. But

(58:18):
you get with Becky that that's two sizes of me.
And you remember, what's what's the show? Where is Maury?
Listen to me? It's always a brother on there. Well,
what if these are not your cho alone? They look

(58:38):
like me and look, they got my eye, they got
my nose. And this girl is the worst of the
worst of the world. If you gonna get one of them,
get Taylor Swell, don't get the worst one. I'm not
against you white girls pulling our man, but some of
these girls, I just want to look at a brother
and go, I see it. I see right, that's right,
that's that absolutely right. Get her together, put this on

(58:58):
a treadmill, do something hen of the East, vestibals, or
don't get the worst or the worst and then throw
it in my face. That's what I don't like, and
I don't think most black women like that either.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Let me ask you this, if you if I had
to say, okay, Cheryl, give me your gold comedians, it
could be male men or women, give me your four
comedians that you would consider Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Too many of the name and because of my personality,
Why she didn't name this person why she didn't, well,
I don't really have. First of all, you're gonna have
to have a bigger it's got to be a mountain range.
It can't be a just four motherfuckers on a mountain
because there's too many of us that are too good
for too many time periods. When you talk about moms,
maybe one of the greatest female comedians that made people

(59:45):
feel good about all those adult jokes she was telling.
But then you put up against Whoopi Goldberg, who was
to me, her dialogue was so amazing, her ability to
go in and out of characters so amazing. But I
don't want anybody feel like somebody more because I can't
do what Sherry Shepherd do that. And I'm sorry girl,
because I know there's some comedians don't like to be

(01:00:06):
called bitch, but I got to give your propers And
speaking of that, Mellie Camacho one of the greatest comedians
I've ever seen, Hope Flood greatest comedians I've ever seen.
There's too many out there the name and we haven't
gotten our shot. So that's why I want to produce
something that gives people their shot. Who would have thought
somebody would have called me to be on daytime TV,

(01:00:27):
and I'm a nightclub performer and I'll be there from
season two to season fifteen of The Talk on CBS,
the most conservative network. All we need is to shot.
So an answer to your question, there are too many
great comics that you see, these comics and we've been
sitting around with each other. You know how hard it is.
Not the choke laughing at Jamie Fox when he gets

(01:00:49):
on a roll, and all of us have been friends,
but then we talk about it when we showed a
pitch of him with the Jerry Curl. That's comedians getting together.
You know. So I really couldn't name you know who
would be my time?

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Let me ask you this, are you mentioned Whope, flood
yourself and some more and a Dell Gibbings and chocolate?
So many of the young I remember so many of
the women comedians back in the nineties. Yes, are they
an upcoming crop of new women comedians?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I think all these young ladies on social media, they
got a one comic call, don't call me a white girl.
I think this got a line. I ain't gonna say
it because I want you all to hear it out
of her mouth that I was hosting a show in
Pennsylvania and when she dropped that line on the people,
I ran out and tackled up because it was such
a good line. I'm a technical comic. I will listen

(01:01:37):
to somebody sayingle damn, I wish I had wrote that,
you know what I mean. So there are some great
female comics. But also, you need time. You can write
jokes every day, you can't polish every day. You need
stage time. You need to understand why those of us
that were doing adult comedy were doing adult comedy. And
don't separate. Don't say well, this is a clean comedy.

(01:01:59):
This are you a good comic? Right? And then they
are comedic actors who who are decent stand ups. That's
why I'm not gonna name names. They know who they are.
You're a decent stand up, but you're a great comedic actor.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
So don't that that can act and be funny, be
funny in front of the camera as opposed to getting
up there and just it's just you and an audience.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Absolutely. Absolutely, And I'm gonna tell you something. When people say, like,
I don't know why earthquake has not been put in
a position to do a redold of Safford and Son.
I would be an ask them and they and they
all you're doing is picking up junk. Right, you can
do that today, Dale Higley, great comic, George Jefferson. Today,

(01:02:48):
you can do these things. Now. Why is it that
they get to reboot everything and we don't. You can
do Uh, that's my mama. You can do what's happening now,
which is nothing but COOLi I you can do this today.
We need the opportunity to do it. And there's some
great comedic actors, but we need the directors. We need

(01:03:09):
the producers to be able to take what we're already
doing in our head. See a stand up comic is
the writer, producer, director in their head right, and the performer.
We just need to be able to be produced in
a way where we're confident in what you're doing. Because
I already know what I can do for myself. How
do I get confident enough to do it on screen

(01:03:31):
and not want to turn to the audience? And that's
where your cameras are. You're acting with the person, you're
reacting to the person, and I know what you're thinking
out there. You can be an actor. You saw me
and I got the hook up. You know, damn well,
I have no business. But that was master P. And
I'll tell you a story about that too. AJ Johnson

(01:03:52):
got rest of so little ant Men and we have
good friends. Right. So he's talking about master P. You
got this movie right? And so I was taking care
of my sister and I couldn't find a caregiver and everything,
so I had to go to the audience. I took
my sisters to the odds, you know, dislab with people.
She in a hot car, so she fighting, pulling everything,
pulling hair. After I said, you're gonna sit your ass
right down here so I can go up here and

(01:04:13):
get this job right. So I get up there and
there's a line and everything, and I said, listen, I
need to do this right now. I said, who the
het is master P? Now I don't know who he is,
I said, who master P? So he's me? I said,
what the no, no, no, no, that ain't no lyric DJ
Quick Kumo, d them lyricist, those rappers, producers, everything is that.
So he's laughing because I'm talking to him the way

(01:04:36):
I'm talking to him, and they write a whole new
part for me to do this, and that's the second
time is happening. The first time it happened. I was
performing in the Mailrose Improv and I was there to
showcase for Brandon Tartakoff when he was alive, and Brandon
tartakov is who how Eddie Murphy and Okay? So I'm
there to showcase for him and he tells me, I

(01:04:59):
see you walking in on the scene in the sitcom,
throwing up the joke and walking out like Marla Gibbs.
See you're talking about a comedic actor, great woman, right,
So I was like, oh, you really do that. So
when it's my turn to get on stage, I get
on stage and I see Annette Benning and Warren Baby

(01:05:19):
sending in the audience. So I start telling these jokes
about Bugsy you know is right when she threw that
astray at his head, I said, you black, I said,
only a real sister throw them from an ashtray with
a lit cigarette, and that it's here. So I'm telling
all these great jokes. So one Baby comes out making
a movie, gives me all his information. I want you
to come have a meeting with me. I'm making a movie.

(01:05:40):
I want you in it. Now. How many times have
we heard that? Boys and girls. So I go, all right,
So I take the information, and something led me to
call him, and he goes, I want you to come
and drive up on Ma Holland. You know I'm not
the greatest drive in the world. You know, so, because
if you don't shift right, you're gonna roll all the
way back down hall Am I right? So I go
to the meeting. We're talking what I thought was a

(01:06:03):
fifteen minute general meeting. We end up talking about four
or five hours. Like me and you did in the car,
we end up talking for five hours about politics. I'm
a registered Republican who is really a conservative Democrat. He
is a liberal Democrat. We're talking, but he's remembering things
that I'm telling him and he's adding them to his script.

(01:06:25):
So we're talking. Then the part that they wanted me
to play. I think I was supposed to curse in
a church. I did not know. You're not supposed to
tell the casting director I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
No, you can't do that. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Why am I not supposed to tell them that, Shina, Because.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
They're the one that's gonna get you the job.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Well, I'm sorry. I fear God more than I fear man. God,
don't know him down here doing a movie. God looking
down going what you know? Why is she in my
house cussing? Right? So I told him I wasn't gonna
do it. I said, I'm not gonna do it, I said,
And no self respecting black person would be cursing in
their neighborhood church. I curse in the parking lot, but

(01:07:03):
I'm not cursing in the sanctuary. It's not going to happen.
So they write apart from me, they write a whole
different part from me, where the white dude. I think
his name is Oliver Platt. He's an actor. He's supposed
to bump into I think he was in a Time
to Kill with Matthew mcconnat. Okay, So he bumps into
my arm, and I'm supposed to say break yourself food,
which I don't know who came up with break yourself?

(01:07:25):
I don't know the street okay, So did he? Did
he come up with it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
He's the first person I heard.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Is it really okay? Didn't me?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Maybe Smokey said it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
It's okay? Does it break yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Break yourself post?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Okay? So he that's the line I'm supposed to say.
But I can't get it out the way they want
me to say it. I keep saying, excuse me, so
because that's the way I was raised. It's supposed to
be an after hours, private black club with some white
people in it, so obviously you must be guessed of
somebody in this club. So Warren Baby, directing you know,
he goes, cut, Cheryl, I need you to talk the

(01:07:58):
way you normally talk. I said, what is that? And
he said, I need you to be more animated. I
said really, and he said, I need you to be
more profane. Why. I said, you believe that black people
only settle their differences with profane language and the animation.
I said that that's not true. Now remember now all
of the extras are black, right, So they all looking
at the looking on the ground like, oh my god,

(01:08:19):
this is talking back to Warren Baby. I said, I'm sorry,
that's that's not how to go. If he bumps into
my arm, knocks my drink on my hand, I would
expect him to replace it with a higher level on
the shelf top shelf drank. So people are trying not
to laugh. So one baby goes, but what if I
called your mother? I said, what, what'd you say. He said,

(01:08:40):
what if I called your mother and he names my mother? Oh,
he names mamay.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
I bet you got the I bet you got in
the character these Listen, I said, listen, I laid that mother.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
My god, I said, I don't give up about splitting
the grass? Raise what did Bonnie and Clyde? But I said,
if you ever say my mother's name and in a
sentence ever again, I'm gonna jump across this camera and
whoop your ass. And he goes, I need you to
do that right now action, And that's when I did.
That's when I did it, and we became friends, and

(01:09:14):
we became friends.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
That day you did radio with Steve Harvey. What was
that experience? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Well, really, how I started was Tom Joyner? Oh really yeah?
It was Tom Joyner that gave me one of my
first consistent radio jobs. And then I wanted to I
want to do radio, Like if we really do a
podcast together, I want to merge it with terrestrial radio.
I do not believe you can do anything without radio,

(01:09:42):
because black people do not believe that Jesus is coming
back until they hit it black ray, Am I right?
And it's still in your car and it's still in
your homes. And I believe that we can do some
good merging podcasting with radio to build that audience. So
Tom Joiner gives me a job. Then Rashan mcd on
Steve Harvey say, okay, why don't you come work over

(01:10:03):
here with us and I go where the money is.
It's no dislike of anybody, no dislike. Matter of fact,
would you be willing to bring your podcast on the
fantastic voyage that Tom joined a cruise? Would you want
to so we can benefit some HBCUs. I'm just asking you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Would you you ask me for real?

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah, I'm asking you for real? Would you consider it?
Would you consider it?

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Because I thought were going out on the cruise.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I think, I know, I don't know. Let me find it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Can be on zoo while y'all on the cruise.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Why are you scattered water?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Well I could tell your ash Helen had then had
over you. Bet it's somebody. Why don't you ask.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
You star that water? Here?

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
You scattered being on the boat? Well, why don't you
get on the Why don't you get on the first
part in New Orleans and do it from there and
then you can go home? Okay, Okay, Well, I'll tell
you what. I'll find the cities. Let's see we can
make it work. But I will tell you this, Tom
Joyner being a radio man, and I wanted to do radio,
but they don't. I don't see them. The only girl

(01:11:07):
that I see doing I think Cafe Mocha is doing it.
There's some other sisters that are doing radio, but I
don't see them leading their own show in a way
that you see the guys. Addie mcgrire is the only
one that I see doing it, and I'm so proud
of her. But I want to do what Ricky.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
And DL okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I want to lead lead a show. But on the
other hand, Steve Harvey gave me those opportunities, all that
footage from the Hoodie Awards. I was gonna get past
the SAP. I thought I would be a great first lady.
I give him drinking cussin at least in your presence, brother,
you know. But I wanted to do those different things.
But what you see is the opportunity that people really respect.

(01:11:50):
And it was Steve Harvey. When I thought somebody was
playing on my phone and I did not believe that
it was CBS calling me for an interview for.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
The job Prank by Kevin Hart Steve Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
I called, they asked us every number I had and
stopped playing on my mo This thing was like, you
might want to call him back, It might be CBS,
and he was right, and he was right. So I
never want us to be pitted against each other, but
I do want us to help each other. We should
be doing cooking shows, we should be doing sports panels,

(01:12:21):
we should be doing everything because we're funny and we're
smart and we can do it all.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Beauty Shop, it was Queen the Tea for theyll Givings,
Lord Hayes, Sherry Shepherd.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Because Lord Hayes, wouldn't she on? Yes, Miss Laard.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Okay and toll Up Death Comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Mr Lisa Simms, Omar Hedrick, Lisa Ray, Octavia Spencer bird Man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
How was that experience?

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
It was a great experience to watch a great producing,
you know, to watch Queen thea Ta for pull that
together with her team, and to watch us as an ensemble.
Alisia Silverstone, the girl that was saying clueless. Yes, that
was funniest. I don't know what. It was a really
good experience in one of my first movies, between a
beauty Shop, I got the hook up two can play

(01:13:06):
that game. Vivica Fox gave me a lot of jobs too,
And I really loved being in Beauty Shop because they
let me add lib. But I also could understand the
parameters of the script. What I try to do. The
one thing that I was taught was do what's written
on the page first, and then ask them can I
show you something? And then stay within the parameters of

(01:13:27):
the script because if you add live so far away,
then the other actors can't say they line or do
what they want to do. That's why I want to produce.
I want to produce. I have gospel playscripts. I have
people that I pay. I'll write the idea, they'll write
the script. Because I want to put people to work.
We can do it like Tyler is doing it. You know,
Tyler got the studio. Come on, let's all work together

(01:13:48):
and help each other. There's enough money out there for
all of us. So that's what Beauty Shop really poured
into me. Why don't we work together more because you
want to see them, You want to see them from
the people. Because he won't if he was just if
he would just give get a taste, a little taste.

(01:14:10):
I would come to work early. No, I'm just kidding. Well,
why don't you and I work again? No?

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Why don't? Why don't we want? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Nigga? I thought, I'm sorry about you? Man? Why we
like me and you don't we that we got work together?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Because whatever in your life gonna be mad?

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Why is she here?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
That's what's gonna happen. I think that I think we
have the money. Uh, we have the pull and the influence.
Back when they were making what they call black Explortation fail,
Sweet Back, Come On, Mad Baddest movie, and uh, the
MAC was really about some brothers up in Oakland run
a club called Sweet Jimmy's. We can do that again, Superfly.

(01:14:54):
We can do that again and have a soundtrack and
it doesn't take a lot of money. One thing I
would ask everybody to do. Don't come in and try
to make the money. Make up the money that you
haven't gotten. You're gonna price us out right. We have
to understand as a business, do the movie and take
the percentage right, promote the movie. We can make a

(01:15:14):
movie in six weeks. But if we come together, the writers,
the producers, the hairstylist everything. We can fry the chicken
for the craft service, do what we need to do.
And if we do that and our movies are making money,
they will invest in us again because it's about commerce.
And I think we can change that narrative. And I

(01:15:35):
know you can because you took a little show Club Chase.
She and I'm calling it a little show because it
wasn't as big as it was. And then here comes
Kat Williams. I remember Cat when he was Kat and
a hat, and let me tell you, look, Kat Williams. Third,
while we're talking. I remember Cat when he was Kat
and the hat, doing the jokes about the short dude
in the car and all that stuff. We knew he

(01:15:55):
was funny then. And I had got the host job
for Comic View and Cat Williams performance. I think it
was me, Kat and Michael Caryer, and I think Mike
Washington was on that show. We have the comedy connection.
I think it was in Greenbelt, Maryland. If I'm not mistaken,
I stay corrected. I watched Cat Williams do, I said,
I called Steven Hill, I said, get here as fast

(01:16:19):
as you can. I have watched something great. Wow. They
said what is it. Cat Williams is destroying a room
and I cannot follow him. Now, I got courage. I
did what I needed to do that night. But what
I saw was something special, I said. And so Stephen
gets there and he's looking at it. He's dying, laughing.

(01:16:40):
I said, I need that guy on my season of
Comic View, and he was like, well, why would you
do that? I said, cause he's going to be big
and he's special and this is his shot and everything propelled.
He was already doing great stuff, but everything propelled. I
just want us to if we disagree, agree in private. Yes,

(01:17:01):
you know what I'm saying, and you can tell your
version of the story. I'm telling my versions of the stories.
But you notice that I'm editing myself because I'm not
going to do it at the expense of someone's self esteem.
I'm not saying Kat did that. I'm just saying I
knew Cat which was gonna be special because I saw
it in him, and I was willing to step back.

(01:17:21):
You gotta know when you can't follow something, you gotta
know it. That's why I hold you that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
I got to hook up, and I got the hook
up too. Master p. You mentioned John Witherspoon.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
I love master P. I love Master P. Great business man,
very very smart. Always gave me an opportunity. You know
who else gave me an opportunity? Did Uncle Luke?

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Yes? When I was first doing really really raw raw materials,
not like my stuff, I ain't wrong now, but this
is where I was policing really yeah. Yeah, And he said, Cheryl,
I want you to you know, recourse some material for
us and put it out there. And you notice something
in all the stuff that's going on with the sexuality,

(01:18:04):
you know, and gambling people and everything who name is
not in it. Uncle lou he started it, but he
didn't do it. He didn't cross that line. He didn't
cross that line. It may have been a party atmosphere, yes,
but he didn't do things. Power corrupts, and we have
got to start protecting each other and don't do that shit.

(01:18:25):
When you football player, did they still give you a handler,
a person that kept you out of trouble when you
first got in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
No, I mean you know, we used to have these
videos where they say, well, you know, obviously you can't
gamble and be careful who you associate with. But I
was very very fortunate that I had an older brother
that was in the league that could guide me in Yes,
that could guide me and let me know, Okay, bro,
this is this is how you need to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
This is what you need to do. Everybody doesn't handle that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
But at the end of the day, you know, Cheryl,
you know, grown men is gonna do what grown men
do because it's kind of like you have a financial
vis and he might say, Cheryl, you don't need to
do this. What is your is Eryl's money, and Cheryl
takes the money and do. All he can do is advice.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Advice and council. But why do you have them if
you don't take advice and counsel. I'm gonna shout out
my business man. The later returner, I like to thank you.
I thought he was black because he had a whole
name on his card. It was Lawrence J. Turner. I said,
the brothers is doing They attorney, they financial plannet. I
walk in a little too it, dude. I was like, well,
what's up, grow my If you can show me that

(01:19:26):
you know what you're talking about, I have a saying
don't wake up in the middle of surgery talking to
the surgeon let people do what they gonna do. If
you're gonna take advice and council, take advice and council exactly.
But sometimes you get so much money and power that
you start to do things and people are afraid to
tell you. Don't do that. You know, and don't record this?
What is what the recording of the documentation of And

(01:19:47):
I'm gonna tell you this. I grew up in Chicago.
I was running these streets. We knew r. Kelly And
it's a lot of stuff that we know about people.
But how do we save someone from themselves? And how
do we teach? With great fame comes great responsibility, right,
and money and power, and if you treat it right,
God will give you more. You don't have to do

(01:20:09):
this wild stuff that you're doing, and you don't have
to take it out on people. People say, well, money change.
People know, money makes you more.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
You are, That's that is right. I mean you are
who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Absolutely absolutely. I've walked up on I bucked up on
a lot of dudes and they be like, na, sir,
you're a good girl. I'm like, I'm glad you think
that right. I'm gonna circle this bar one more time
and if you still hear when I come back, so
on a pop fit right, and if you buy you
this drink, let's go right. But like you said, you

(01:20:42):
have choice. But there's gotta be somebody there, especially these
young boys. It could destroy their life. That's why I
have a sports initiative Young boys. Young is three years
old learning different sports but also getting the education. But
we need you men to come back into these boys'
lives so they will unders you have somebody to talk to.
You have big brothers out there, and don't put everything

(01:21:05):
on social media. All your street soldiers out there holding
all the money up. The irs is watching and they
waiting on you. And if you had a PPP long
and now you and jail, but ain't nobody else in jail?
Come on, man, we can do this better. What else
you want to ask?

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
is also posted and you can access it to whichever
podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll see
you there

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