Colin rants on Baker Mayfield's contract talk, and what he's tired of Browns fans telling him (1:00), and weighs in on the NFL's decision to strictly enforce taunting violations (5:00). Then Indianapolis Colts Head Coach Frank Reich joins Colin to discuss his initial reaction to Carson Wentz's injury (9:00), how he's helping Wentz get his confidence back after that rough last year in Philly (12:00), how seriously the Colts are considering bringing in a veteran QB (19:00), what surprised Frank most about Philip Rivers (21:00), the X-factor that makes Wentz stand out from other QBs (23:00), the day Frank thought he might never be an NFL head coach (25:00), the star QB who made Frank realize he might be a backup in the NFL (29:00), when he knew Darius Leonard was on another level, and his relationship with Nick Foles and how it could affect the Colts QB search (34:00).
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the Wednesday Morning Podcast. Frank Reich in his fourth season
with the Colts. Two playoff appearances in three years, which
is pretty remarkable considering this franchise had their go to
quarterback Andrew Luck retire right before a season a few
years back. They have not gone man overboard. Uh. Still
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very stable. Still I think the favorite in their division.
So it's pretty cool. This is an organization that knows
what it's doing and their head coach will be joining
us coming up here in about five minutes. You know,
it was interesting when I was on vacation for four days. Um,
I'm gonna always be tied to Baker Mayfield just because
of my opinions on him. And listen, like I get,
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there's a lot of sports fans from Ohio and they're
always interested. Everybody's a tough guy on Twitter, but they
always come up in a very gracious and they're like, hey,
what do you think? And I always say the same thing.
I don't think he's great. I think he's good. I
think he's Kirk Cousins. That's what all my NFL guys think.
That's what the you know, the guy Mike Sando who
does that four tier quarterback list every year. It's the
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go to fifty anonymous executives, and they put Baker Mayfield
right next to Kirk Cousins. That is exactly what my
scouts and my executive friends always say. He's Kirk Cousins.
He can win, he can get to the playoffs. He
went a playoff game, but he's got to be surrounded
by extraordinary talent. It's it's not a criticism. Hell, if
you can make the NFL, you're a great talent. But
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I was thinking about this, you know, It's like Brown
fans want me to say that Baker me feels great.
But in every business and he's not. By the way,
there is room for somebody who can find tremendous success
without being great, if they're just good enough. Like in music,
to be a lead singer, you do not have to
have a great voice. David Lee, Roth van Halen, make Jagger, Stones,
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Vince Neil, Motley Crue. They do not have a great voice.
In movies. To be a leading man, you do not
have to be a great actor. Keano Reeves and Vin Diesel.
Steven Seagal for a decade was a leading man in
the NFL. There is a great history of good enough.
Ken Stabler, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon, they've all won Super
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Bowls by being good enough. We all know not everybody
has the same level of owner GM, head coacher, coordinator
or defense. I mean Aaron Rodgers frankly has only had
one really elite top ten defense in his career. It's
the year he won a Super Bowl. Now, obviously he
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is more than good enough, he is great. But like
Ohio fans want so desperately for people to say, oh
my god, Baker is great. No, the only question with
Baker is is he good enough to win a Super Bowl?
At this point? I have my doubts. But they have
the best old line in football, the best running back tandem,
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and let's be honest, it's a game of attrition. Lamar
Jackson gets hurt. The Kansas City Chief's offensive line hits
a snag, has some injuries. Uh, you know, Josh Allen.
The Bills defense, like last year, they doesn't have a
consistent pass rush. All of a sudden, you look up.
Cleveland's in the a f C Championship. They are the
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healthier team. But there are very few great quarterbacks. There
are very few great actors. There are very few great singers.
But a lot of a lot of people are selling records,
and a lot of hit movies are being made, and
a lot of football teams are winning games without great
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So he's not going to be great. You've got to
get past that. Nobody thinks he's great. There are those
who think he's very good, and those are his fans.
Another NFL take is the NFL has come out and said, listen,
we're going to crack down on taunting this year. And
the NFL has never been overly tolerant of taunting this year,
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but you know, predictably, a lot of former players and
players roll their eyes at taunting. I've I've never I've
never understood the people who don't get this. Listen, you
can celebrate amongst yourselves. But there's a reason all these
leagues don't love taunting, because some players just do not
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have the emotional ability when taunted to handle themselves. I mean,
you've gone out drinking, you've been with friends. Not everybody
can handle their alcohol. Look around America, be on Twitter
for ten minutes. I mean, people can't handle just a
basic conversation about COVID. They lose their ship. So the
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reality is I and you're in the heat of the
battle in any athletic event and somebody taunts you. Nine
eight percent of guys taunted couldn't look the other way,
but ten can't. They either throw a punch, they get
into a fight. These leagues are trying to protect their image.
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They don't want fights. Does everybody understand how damaging the
malice and the hallis was for the NBA that was
started because of a paper cup thrown at a player.
So leagues are into celebrating. There's there's value in the
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in the the digital world, the social world, for celebrating memes.
Sharing all these celebrations, you get free publicity. You don't
want taunting because ten to fift guys can't handle it,
and they do dumb stuff. They overreact, they take a swing,
it's pushing, then it's wrestling. There's a reason a lot
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of people don't want to take their kids to NFL games,
right what's happening in the stands. So there's a reason
a lot of baseball teams cut off alcohol sales in
the seventh inning because guys literally can't handle a beer
in a crowd. So this stuff's obvious. They're not doing
it to take the fun out of games. But you've
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never gone to a single professional sporting event for taunting,
so there really is no upside. It's not selling tickets,
it's not selling merchandise. Only negative can come out of taunting.
Years ago, I talked to somebody in kind of enforcement
in a pro sport, the NBA, and he just said, listen,
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we all want to have fun, but you get one punch,
it turns into two, three, four. You are on the
phone with advertisers for six months who want to pull
their advertising. You're on the phone with fans who took
their kids of the game, and you have a melee.
This isn't difficult. There is no upside the taunting. So
curb itt, curb your taunting enthusiasm. That's Larry David's next show. Well, Frank,
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I've had everybody on from your organization. It's about time.
I've had Jim Ursey and Chris Ballard and multiple players
and Darius Leonards. So it's great to have you. So,
you know, in the NFL, they always have this stat
Frank about humbles that you know, some years you fumble,
some years you don't, some years you recover them, some
years you don't. There's a randomness to fumbles in the NFL.
(09:08):
There's also a randomness to injuries in the NFL. And you,
I swear to God, the last couple of years, you've
had some bad breaks your very best players, Darius Leonard,
Quentin Nelson, now Carson wentz Uh. You know, listen, Andrew
Luck retiring. It's do you do you feel sometimes like, Okay,
I've withstood the bad luck. The good luck's coming here
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real quick, it is coming, and hoping it's here this year.
And actually I'm trying to as you would expect, Colin,
I'm trying to convince myself and I think I'm doing
a pretty good job of it. That getting these over
early in camp. When you look at Carson situation in
Quentin situation, you could easily make the case that hey,
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these things were probably gonna go sometime this year, so
better now than mid season. So that's the way we're
looking at. Listen, Frank, you're a big guy. I don't
remember you getting hurt a lot. I remember your game,
and you know there's there are players sometimes you know
they're a little injury prone. I was a big proponent
of Carson Wentz because I think you guys are so
well run and so smart that in this league. I mean, Frank,
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you can do everything right, but if you don't have
some juice at quarterback, it's tough. It really is. Um,
will you sit to your stomach with the Carson Wentz thing?
I mean, your immediate thought when he's limping in something pops?
I mean, just as has a guy who played in
this league, what was your first five ten seconds? Like, yeah,
it really wasn't that bad. You know, I've trained myself,
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I think pretty well, you know not to overreact, you know,
knee jerk reaction. You know, just certainly been around long
enough to you know, see, it's a long season. You
know you've got to take the long view. I'm sure.
And even if it had even if it had been
a worst case scenario that was going to require him
being out for extended period of time, something even worse
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than it was. Still take the long view, I'm excited
about our team. I understand, like you're saying, Colin that
I understand the importance of the quarterback position. But you know,
I've also seen the other side of it that you know,
sometimes team just needs to rise up and and figure
out a way to win football games. And I'm just
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confident that we were going to do that, although I
am optimistic we'll get Carson back sooner rather than later.
You've had injuries in your career. Everybody gets hurt. Is
it a day to day thing? Frank, do you feel like, Hey,
I'm not gonna hover, I'm not going to helicopter coach here.
I'm gonna give him space. He'll come to me. Or
do you just do you have the kind of relationship?
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I mean, because this thing is live, this is fluid,
the Wentz injury situation, how do you monitor it? How
do you you know, modify coaching to it? Like, how
does it day to day work? Um? You know, just
standing communication? I mean, like you said, because of the
how good the existing relationship is UM, yeah, I don't verb.
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I don't not always asking about you know, how how
are you today? You know, talk to the docks and
the trainers every day, so I know that. But UM, yeah,
we've just continued Colin to work and preparing for the season. UM.
You know, when when we're getting together and talking, whether
it being a quarterback meeting or in a little side
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meeting that the two of us are having, UM, I'm
not sitting there talking about his rehab process. He's got
the trainers to do that with. We're talking about plays
and game plans and progressions and drills and you know
how we get better as a quarterback. So we don't.
I don't want to let this time go by while
he's rehabbing and doing those other things. We still got
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to keep that mind going. We still got to be
playing that game and online, we still got to be
like we're preparing for a game this week. I just
think you gotta keep that edge mentally on football because,
like you said, because of the schedule that we have,
UM and the quality of the opponents early on, you know,
we we don't want to take a couple of weeks
to figure this thing out and or we don't want
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to take a couple of weeks to figure out having
a new quarterback, whether Carson plays week one or two
or three or whatever it is. You know, we want
to be ready to go and hint the ground running
from day one. And so if he is going to
be ready earlier than expected, we got to keep him
going mentally. Clearly, Um, you have connected with him on
an emotional level that no other coach has. When you
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go back to Carson's relationship with you initially, Um, was
it connected first sight? Did it take time? What was
the breakthrough the epiphany that you're like, he trusted you,
you trusted him in Philly? Yeah, I mean it was
on every level. Um. You know there's been a lot
of talk that you know, spiritually we kind of connect there.
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That's true. But and that's important, and I think that's
a big part of why we connect. But um, from
a football standpoint, I can't emphasize to you enough how
much we connect. Just access knows the way we see
the game, Um, the way we see the passing, in
the way we see protections, the way we the philosophy
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of how to play quarterback. You know, this is just
one of those guys that as soon as I started
talking to them, it was like, oh wow, yeah, we're
We're totally got the same vibe, the same wavelength about
how to play, how to play this most important position.
And you know, for me, that's come from being around
a lot of great ones and playing the game myself
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They call it the yips. We just saw this Olympian
Simone Biles. They call it the twisties, where you just
you get in the air and you're like, I've lost
my confidence. Um, you know, we know basketball players they
get in the zone, they get out of the zone.
But in football we we also know in baseball, I
can remember Steve Sachs struggled making a throw second to first.
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It happens like we all get it. In football we
just think, oh, these guys, just these quarterbacks dropped back
and it's like, no, no, there's anxiety. Last year with
Carson Wentz, there were moments and I thought, oh, ship,
he there's he's got a little bit of the golfer
yips here on stuff out in the flat, like just
easy stuff for him, and he was a little broken.
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And then the stories come out that you know, it
was not a great situation for Doug Peterson, for everybody involved. Um,
how do you, I don't know how often you've dealt
with it? How do you get him back in the
right tunnel, in the right lane. We get with every
other sport, we get that you can get off out
of the zone. How do you get him back? Yeah? Well,
(19:57):
I think that's a great it's a great point you're
make And those examples are great examples. Um, you know,
most of those examples are a little bit more not
individ You know, like the Smoan bio that that's an
individual sport. The throw to first base, you know, that's
kind of a one aspect of a deal where you know,
I think what we're talking about here a little bit
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what I think you're alluding to as a guy losing
confidence and you know, getting out of his rhythm, and
that certainly was said last year. The think about playing
quarterback is you're so dependent on so many other people,
um and so you know, the way to get it
back is, first of all, the change of environments. You know,
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sometimes the change of environment is a good thing. And
you know, we all know that what Doug Peterson did
in Philadelphia and helping that and leaving that team and
organization to a world championship, we obviously put together a
world class environment. But then over sometimes things change and
and and people change and it just doesn't. Things go
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south for whatever the reasons are. And it was just
the right time I think for further change for Carson.
And I think the culture here and the team and
the roster here is is just built for He's the
right piece to plug in for us. I think he
feels that, I even think this area of the country
as a guy from North Dakota, so you know, even
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in the Midwest. Even though I think Carson did a
great job of connecting with the Philly fans and becoming
part of the city, I think this is a natural
home to him. And then as far as a player, Colin,
you know, you just go back to the basics. We
go back to ground up. And um, I've said here
in the media that I don't like to think that
he was broken. It's just a question of resetting, refocusing,
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put him in the right environment, and just go through
that process day by day. And I'm expecting big things.
You're opening schedule is to be diplomatic, brutal. I mean,
you guys got no breaks in your first five weeks.
I do think you can win the division and not
have Carson wentz around for a month. I do. I
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think you're really well coached. I think you have great
line play. Uh some of that drafting, some trades, some
just development, but both lines are really solid. Jonathan Taylor
end of the year, Michael Pittman, Really, you know, you
really saw stars emerging. UM. I could also make an argument,
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as good as you are, Frank, you go one in
five or you know, one in four in this league,
it is your it is hard to get back, is
it possible? Jacob Ees Sam Olinger. Young guys don't have
a lot of reps that maybe the answer is not
currently in camp and somebody coming outside in may very
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well based on the difficulty of schedule, maybe the answer yeah, Well,
you know, first of all, you know, first of all, yes,
it's a legitimate question. Is a question you have to
can't ignore that question. So and it's not being in door. Um,
but you know, we have to have a maturity here
in perspective here that we can do that we can
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keep our head down with the guys that we got
and feel confident the guys that we got. You know,
I understand that Chris Ballot is the GM. He can
have that perspective, um and be thinking and where the
course I have those conversations. But what I'm thinking is,
you know, our roster is our roster. Let's get these
guys ready to play. And then secondly, I mean, I'm
(23:28):
hoping the best with Carson. I'm not We're not eliminating
the possibility of him playing Week one. We're still a
long way from there and not even close to making
that determination. But um, you know there's still a chance.
So UM, we'll just stay the course here, Chris and
I'll have the appropriate conversations at the appropriate time. Um,
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but we're not there yet, Frank, I was kind of surprised.
I thought you'd win last year. But I really thought
you gave Buffalo a scare and it was a real
football team. And Philip Rivers is just it doesn't look
like it'shes work, and it just does. It looks painful
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when he throws, and he's not a great athlete. Just
go back one year. Did you ever have doubts? I
mean he's retired. Was there ever a moment or or
did you know really early as Philip thing is going
to work for us? Really? Well? Yeah, no, I I
felt it would work for us. Um, you know when
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I looked at US film from the year before that
we got him, you know when when they struggled out
West and for a lot of different reasons, almost a
little bit like what happened in Philadelphia, I mean different scenarios,
but it was not the best year for the team
in the organization out there with Philip and what I
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really Colin looked at his clothes, at his take very
closely from the last couple of years to just make
a determination of how much physically did he have left
in his body. And because I coached him for three
years prior, like I can look at his tape real closely,
and I know, I mean, I know what I see.
And it came very apparent quickly that when I looked
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at the tape his arm strength and who he was
as a quarterback, it really had not diminished even since
I had been there. So I wasn't concerned physically about
his arm strength. And like you said, he was never
a guy that was going to move out of the
pocket anyway, So whether he was thirty two or thirty eight,
it didn't make a difference. He was going to be
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the same guy as long as his arm strength was there.
And um, and you just know Philip has a passion
for the game, and he's got elite leadership and with
no offseason and came in and connected with the team
in a in a very significant way. It was a
great year and a fun year for for him and
for us. And um, yeah, he's a unique He's a
unique guy, so fun to be around, so fun to coach.
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You know, Jimmy Johnson, I once asked him described lead
or ship, and he said, I don't really know what
it is. He goes, I just know Troy Aikman, was
it right? And Philip is out there talking trash and
you know, uh, Andrew Luck conversely very quiet, you know,
kind of h not almost a throwback, you know, you know,
(26:20):
interesting kind of intellect and interesting personality. If I, as
I said to you, and I have never met Carson,
what kind of a leader is he? What? What? What's
the juice for him there? What is that? I love
that question? And let me give a fifteenth second context
that Really it's a unique situation here. This is our
fourth year and our fourth different quarterback. As you said, Tom,
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you know, starting with Andrew and then Jacoby and then
Philip and then Carson, and we've got four really strong leaders.
But Carson's Carson's juice as a leader, first of all,
just comes from his competitive fire, I mean. And secondly,
I think it comes from a fearlessness that he plays
with and that you feel in the hope. Thirdly, I
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think he's a great teammate. He's not He's not one
of these stat oriented guys, and he cares about winning
and just knowing him personally, I know he deeply cares
about his teammates. We all have different personalities and how
we expressed that. But um on the football field, I
made a statement earlier to the press that when Carson
walks out on the field, certain guys just you can
(27:27):
feel their energy. You can just feel it. And I
said the Colts Nation, I was like, hey, when this guy,
when you watch this guy walk on to Lucas Oil
Stadium and it's just warmups. It we're not even at
the game yet, but you watch him warm up, you
watch him walk around on the bench, you can just
tell this guy has that. In fact, he's got that
juice about him. He's got an energy about him that
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the guys feel. And his love for the game, his
love for teammates, and his love for the big situations.
I don't think there's any situation it's too big. I
think he I think he loves the big moments. You know,
I remember about seven eight years ago your name coming up.
I was talking to an executive in the league that
that is not Chris Ballard, but I was talking to
an executive and he said, the next great coach is
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going to be Frank Reich and I'm like the quarterback,
I mean, yeah, number fourteen, the guy and he's like,
he's like, yeah, he's gonna And I'm like, you know,
I've never heard that. And he said, you know, this
is a weird league. Some guys get chances early, some
guys get chances late. You would put the time in,
you had played, you had had great mentors. Was there
(28:29):
a moment for you that you just didn't think it
was gonna happen. You just put your head to the
pillow one night and you're sitting there thinking, God, I've
done it all right, I've checked all the damn boxes.
I am I going to get this shot? Yeah, I know.
I mean after the seventeen season, when you know, being
part of the World Championship and not initially not getting
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an interview initially, Um, you know, the psychoud kind of
come and gone and everyone was hired and it's crazy
and it was over, and uh, here was a great
thing about it, Colin. I had my wife and I
had had to sit down as I saw that unfolding
in seventeen. Um, we kind of had this how wow
one night about well here it is. We just everything's
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going right and it but not getting any interviews at
the time for whatever reason, you know, and uh, you know,
I just had that looking in Maryland. I'm good. You know.
I love what I'm doing. I love coaching football, whether
you know, whether I be quality control or whether you know,
be the quarterback, coach the offense. I love being around
the guys. I love the game. Um, I love everything
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about it. And so UM, I'm thankful the opportunity came.
I'm thankful that Chris Ballard and Mr her say, you know,
after what the unique situation that happened here, gave me
a call and that, um, because I believe we're on
the right path. I believe that, you know, together with
our owner and with Chris, I believe we have a
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vision and a blueprint for what we're trying to do.
And I believe it's taking I believe that the player
us here feel that and know that, and we have
the right time of leadership take us down. And I'm
talking about player leadership to take us down the road
we want to go. You remind me of Tony Dungee. Uh,
you don't toot your own horn, and Tony Dungee went
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years without getting it. And I was in Tampa and
Sam Wish was let go and Rich McKay's a friend
of mine, and they interviewed Tony and then they interviewed
him again, and Rich and I had a good relationship,
so I said, listen, just you got to tell me
off the air, like what's going on. And he said,
we know he's the right guy, but he's so quiet.
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And that wasn't an era whe there were some barker,
certain parcels guys, right, And he said like, like, we
know he's the right guy, but you know, you interviewed Tony.
He's almost like a professor. And then they interviewed him
a third time at burn Steakhouse in Tampa and they're like, Okay,
you're the guy, but you're again this is my take,
you're not a big salesman. That's not your that's not
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your thing. And you're to me you are and and
and not I'm not just you know, blowing your smoke.
But you're kind of a guy's guy. And in this
world we live in now, Frank, if you don't have
the agent, you're not tooting your horn, you're not on
social that is a component now, right, and that's not
really who you are. Yeah, No, I mean I appreciate
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the comparison to Tony donj Obviously, I've worked for him
for a short time, and he would be a guy
who I would want to pattern myself after. As you said, Conna,
you know, I'm not a big yellow and scream I
certainly I don't think anybody would want to take pride
in being a you know, sell promoter. But that's definitely
not something that I want to be good at. Um.
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You know what I want to be good at is
being a good teammate. You know, I want to be
a good teammate. Um. And I love being around guys
who love to play football. I love guys who love
practicing football. And UM, you know I'm not outwardly emotional
or or yellow or screamer. But I would hope that
the guys here would say, you know, you can you
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can be steady, you can be even keel, but yet
you can feel an intensity and a passion for the
game for people that you don't have the young screen. Um,
I appreciate you guys who do young screen. I want
a few of those guys on the staff. Uh. I
don't want everybody to be like me. So we you know,
we we got some guys who can raise their voice
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and do that, but we all do it our own way.
And uh, you know, you gotta be comfortable in your
own skin and and and do it the right way.
But really, no matter whether you're loud and vocal or
a little bit more suppued, you've got to have that passion.
You've got to have a passion for the people and
your players and for the game, and then that that
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on the field with another quarterback and thought, oh, I'm
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(35:17):
gonna Yeah, that's an easy answer. Um. That was when
in my second year in the league and we signed
Jim Kelly and he threw our first practice, he threw
a couple of footballs, and I said, oh my goodness.
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just being a practice with another guy, um and seeing
that done, seeing throws made on an every day basis,
was Yeah. I knew that there were I knew that
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above the rest of us. I actually grew up the
first quarterback I fell in love with I grew up
in Seattle was Warren Moon. And I always tell my
audience about twice a year go YouTube Warren Moon thirty
five years ago. He'd be the number one pick. It
was insane. He could run, he had a cannon. Speaking
(36:22):
of personnel, Um, Darius Leonard got picked, and I went
back knowing that you were gonna be on and there
were people like, who's Darius Leonard? This isn't a great pick.
And then literally immediately I went back when he arrived
with the Colts, and you know, the early reviews are, oh,
(36:43):
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the pick, you obviously had seen him, you talked about her.
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a Darius Leonard and you're just like, now, you don't
want to tell him, you don't want to shout it,
but you whispered to somebody, oh, what did we get
our hands on here? Yeah, it was immediate because of
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two things, you know, One like he steps out on
the field and really it's not just on the field,
it's anywhere, and he just had this guy. We talked
about juice and energy that nobody has it like Darius. Okay,
that nobody. I've never been around anybody like this guy.
He steps on the field and the whole field lights up.
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I mean, he just has He has that much use
and love and passion for the game that I know
what we all do, but he just got a way
about him that is special. Um. And then secondly, you know, yes,
he's physically talented. There's a lot of guys physically talented,
but he's got that gift of seeing the play happened
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and he's there, and then he has the length and
the attitude to finish place. And the great thing about
Darius is he's proven it in the years in the
three years that he's been here. Well what I mean,
it's not just making a million tackles, it's causing fumbles,
(38:05):
recovering fumbles, making interceptions and sacking the quarterback. He does everything.
I mean, he can make plays at every level and
he makes them consistently, and he's done that for three
straight years. Um. One more, I thought it was kind
of a a really neat moment a couple maybe ten
days ago, and they asked Nick Foles about your situation,
(38:27):
and Nick thinks so highly of you, and then you
think so highly of Nick, you know, And I'm on
the air and I'm like, uh, I said, these guys like,
let's just get it together, Okay, Like let's have the
reunion tour. Let's not not waste any time. They both
love each other. And then you know, somebody came on
my show and they said, you know, you want to
(38:47):
respect your quarterback, but you know you gotta win games
in this league. Was the Nick Foles talk real? Your
your admiration for him, his for you, your early schedule,
Carson's injury, We know the relationship, we know the Philly story.
Is that a walking on eggshells thing for you? Are
you comfortable with it? Where do you land on that? Yeah,
(39:07):
I'm really comfortable with it. I'm really comfortable with gushing
about player and person that I think very highly about.
So all the things that I say are real and authentic,
and I feel those guys and I feel them and
I root for Nick incredibly hard. Um. You know, right now,
going back to you our earlier comment is, you know,
he plays under contract with the Bears. UM, and we
(39:31):
have two guys and three guys, three other guys in
camp who are making progress, and so I don't know
any other way to deal with it other than to
you know, respect the process and uh allow. You know,
I think we all think the best case scenarios. You know,
grow your draft guys, you develop them and they're ready
to go. UM. So I think you have to give
(39:54):
things time and but you have to trust the process,
and that's what we're doing. Great having you on Frank,
total pro, easy guy to root for. I know you're busy,
always appreciate opportunities to talk to smart guys, and I
appreciate it. Thanks thanks for having me on Frank Reich.
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the Wednesday Morning Podcast. Frank Reich in his fourth season
with the Colts. Two playoff appearances in three years, which
is pretty remarkable considering this franchise had their go to
quarterback Andrew Luck retire right before a season a few
years back. They have not gone man overboard. Uh. Still
(02:10):
very stable. Still I think the favorite in their division.
So it's pretty cool. This is an organization that knows
what it's doing and their head coach will be joining
us coming up here in about five minutes. You know,
it was interesting when I was on vacation for four days. Um,
I'm gonna always be tied to Baker Mayfield just because
of my opinions on him. And listen, like I get,
(02:32):
there's a lot of sports fans from Ohio and they're
always interested. Everybody's a tough guy on Twitter, but they
always come up in a very gracious and they're like, hey,
what do you think? And I always say the same thing.
I don't think he's great. I think he's good. I
think he's Kirk Cousins. That's what all my NFL guys think.
That's what the you know, the guy Mike Sando who
does that four tier quarterback list every year. It's the
(02:55):
go to fifty anonymous executives, and they put Baker Mayfield
right next to Kirk Cousins. That is exactly what my
scouts and my executive friends always say. He's Kirk Cousins.
He can win, he can get to the playoffs. He
went a playoff game, but he's got to be surrounded
by extraordinary talent. It's it's not a criticism. Hell, if
you can make the NFL, you're a great talent. But
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I was thinking about this, you know, It's like Brown
fans want me to say that Baker me feels great.
But in every business and he's not. By the way,
there is room for somebody who can find tremendous success
without being great, if they're just good enough. Like in music,
to be a lead singer, you do not have to
have a great voice. David Lee, Roth van Halen, make Jagger, Stones,
(03:40):
Vince Neil, Motley Crue. They do not have a great voice.
In movies. To be a leading man, you do not
have to be a great actor. Keano Reeves and Vin Diesel.
Steven Seagal for a decade was a leading man in
the NFL. There is a great history of good enough.
Ken Stabler, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon, they've all won Super
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Bowls by being good enough. We all know not everybody
has the same level of owner GM, head coacher, coordinator
or defense. I mean Aaron Rodgers frankly has only had
one really elite top ten defense in his career. It's
the year he won a Super Bowl. Now, obviously he
(04:23):
is more than good enough, he is great. But like
Ohio fans want so desperately for people to say, oh
my god, Baker is great. No, the only question with
Baker is is he good enough to win a Super Bowl?
At this point? I have my doubts. But they have
the best old line in football, the best running back tandem,
(04:45):
and let's be honest, it's a game of attrition. Lamar
Jackson gets hurt. The Kansas City Chief's offensive line hits
a snag, has some injuries. Uh, you know, Josh Allen.
The Bills defense, like last year, they doesn't have a
consistent pass rush. All of a sudden, you look up.
Cleveland's in the a f C Championship. They are the
(05:06):
healthier team. But there are very few great quarterbacks. There
are very few great actors. There are very few great singers.
But a lot of a lot of people are selling records,
and a lot of hit movies are being made, and
a lot of football teams are winning games without great
(05:26):
So he's not going to be great. You've got to
get past that. Nobody thinks he's great. There are those
who think he's very good, and those are his fans.
Another NFL take is the NFL has come out and said, listen,
we're going to crack down on taunting this year. And
the NFL has never been overly tolerant of taunting this year,
(05:47):
but you know, predictably, a lot of former players and
players roll their eyes at taunting. I've I've never I've
never understood the people who don't get this. Listen, you
can celebrate amongst yourselves. But there's a reason all these
leagues don't love taunting, because some players just do not
(06:10):
have the emotional ability when taunted to handle themselves. I mean,
you've gone out drinking, you've been with friends. Not everybody
can handle their alcohol. Look around America, be on Twitter
for ten minutes. I mean, people can't handle just a
basic conversation about COVID. They lose their ship. So the
(06:32):
reality is I and you're in the heat of the
battle in any athletic event and somebody taunts you. Nine
eight percent of guys taunted couldn't look the other way,
but ten can't. They either throw a punch, they get
into a fight. These leagues are trying to protect their image.
(06:53):
They don't want fights. Does everybody understand how damaging the
malice and the hallis was for the NBA that was
started because of a paper cup thrown at a player.
So leagues are into celebrating. There's there's value in the
(07:13):
in the the digital world, the social world, for celebrating memes.
Sharing all these celebrations, you get free publicity. You don't
want taunting because ten to fift guys can't handle it,
and they do dumb stuff. They overreact, they take a swing,
it's pushing, then it's wrestling. There's a reason a lot
(07:34):
of people don't want to take their kids to NFL games,
right what's happening in the stands. So there's a reason
a lot of baseball teams cut off alcohol sales in
the seventh inning because guys literally can't handle a beer
in a crowd. So this stuff's obvious. They're not doing
it to take the fun out of games. But you've
(07:55):
never gone to a single professional sporting event for taunting,
so there really is no upside. It's not selling tickets,
it's not selling merchandise. Only negative can come out of taunting.
Years ago, I talked to somebody in kind of enforcement
in a pro sport, the NBA, and he just said, listen,
(08:18):
we all want to have fun, but you get one punch,
it turns into two, three, four. You are on the
phone with advertisers for six months who want to pull
their advertising. You're on the phone with fans who took
their kids of the game, and you have a melee.
This isn't difficult. There is no upside the taunting. So
curb itt, curb your taunting enthusiasm. That's Larry David's next show. Well, Frank,
(08:47):
I've had everybody on from your organization. It's about time.
I've had Jim Ursey and Chris Ballard and multiple players
and Darius Leonards. So it's great to have you. So,
you know, in the NFL, they always have this stat
Frank about humbles that you know, some years you fumble,
some years you don't, some years you recover them, some
years you don't. There's a randomness to fumbles in the NFL.
(09:08):
There's also a randomness to injuries in the NFL. And you,
I swear to God, the last couple of years, you've
had some bad breaks your very best players, Darius Leonard,
Quentin Nelson, now Carson wentz Uh. You know, listen, Andrew
Luck retiring. It's do you do you feel sometimes like, Okay,
I've withstood the bad luck. The good luck's coming here
(09:28):
real quick, it is coming, and hoping it's here this year.
And actually I'm trying to as you would expect, Colin,
I'm trying to convince myself and I think I'm doing
a pretty good job of it. That getting these over
early in camp. When you look at Carson situation in
Quentin situation, you could easily make the case that hey,
(09:49):
these things were probably gonna go sometime this year, so
better now than mid season. So that's the way we're
looking at. Listen, Frank, you're a big guy. I don't
remember you getting hurt a lot. I remember your game,
and you know there's there are players sometimes you know
they're a little injury prone. I was a big proponent
of Carson Wentz because I think you guys are so
well run and so smart that in this league. I mean, Frank,
(10:13):
you can do everything right, but if you don't have
some juice at quarterback, it's tough. It really is. Um,
will you sit to your stomach with the Carson Wentz thing?
I mean, your immediate thought when he's limping in something pops?
I mean, just as has a guy who played in
this league, what was your first five ten seconds? Like, yeah,
it really wasn't that bad. You know, I've trained myself,
(10:35):
I think pretty well, you know not to overreact, you know,
knee jerk reaction. You know, just certainly been around long
enough to you know, see, it's a long season. You
know you've got to take the long view. I'm sure.
And even if it had even if it had been
a worst case scenario that was going to require him
being out for extended period of time, something even worse
(10:58):
than it was. Still take the long view, I'm excited
about our team. I understand, like you're saying, Colin that
I understand the importance of the quarterback position. But you know,
I've also seen the other side of it that you know,
sometimes team just needs to rise up and and figure
out a way to win football games. And I'm just
(11:18):
confident that we were going to do that, although I
am optimistic we'll get Carson back sooner rather than later.
You've had injuries in your career. Everybody gets hurt. Is
it a day to day thing? Frank, do you feel like, Hey,
I'm not gonna hover, I'm not going to helicopter coach here.
I'm gonna give him space. He'll come to me. Or
do you just do you have the kind of relationship?
(11:39):
I mean, because this thing is live, this is fluid,
the Wentz injury situation, how do you monitor it? How
do you you know, modify coaching to it? Like, how
does it day to day work? Um? You know, just
standing communication? I mean, like you said, because of the
how good the existing relationship is UM, yeah, I don't verb.
(12:00):
I don't not always asking about you know, how how
are you today? You know, talk to the docks and
the trainers every day, so I know that. But UM, yeah,
we've just continued Colin to work and preparing for the season. UM.
You know, when when we're getting together and talking, whether
it being a quarterback meeting or in a little side
(12:21):
meeting that the two of us are having, UM, I'm
not sitting there talking about his rehab process. He's got
the trainers to do that with. We're talking about plays
and game plans and progressions and drills and you know
how we get better as a quarterback. So we don't.
I don't want to let this time go by while
he's rehabbing and doing those other things. We still got
(12:42):
to keep that mind going. We still got to be
playing that game and online, we still got to be
like we're preparing for a game this week. I just
think you gotta keep that edge mentally on football because,
like you said, because of the schedule that we have,
UM and the quality of the opponents early on, you know,
we we don't want to take a couple of weeks
to figure this thing out and or we don't want
(13:04):
to take a couple of weeks to figure out having
a new quarterback, whether Carson plays week one or two
or three or whatever it is. You know, we want
to be ready to go and hint the ground running
from day one. And so if he is going to
be ready earlier than expected, we got to keep him
going mentally. Clearly, Um, you have connected with him on
an emotional level that no other coach has. When you
(13:26):
go back to Carson's relationship with you initially, Um, was
it connected first sight? Did it take time? What was
the breakthrough the epiphany that you're like, he trusted you,
you trusted him in Philly? Yeah, I mean it was
on every level. Um. You know there's been a lot
of talk that you know, spiritually we kind of connect there.
(13:46):
That's true. But and that's important, and I think that's
a big part of why we connect. But um, from
a football standpoint, I can't emphasize to you enough how
much we connect. Just access knows the way we see
the game, Um, the way we see the passing, in
the way we see protections, the way we the philosophy
(14:07):
of how to play quarterback. You know, this is just
one of those guys that as soon as I started
talking to them, it was like, oh wow, yeah, we're
We're totally got the same vibe, the same wavelength about
how to play, how to play this most important position.
And you know, for me, that's come from being around
a lot of great ones and playing the game myself
(14:28):
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that level, but I've been around a lot of great ones,
and I get excited about when I get around a
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They call it the yips. We just saw this Olympian
Simone Biles. They call it the twisties, where you just
you get in the air and you're like, I've lost
my confidence. Um, you know, we know basketball players they
get in the zone, they get out of the zone.
But in football we we also know in baseball, I
can remember Steve Sachs struggled making a throw second to first.
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It happens like we all get it. In football we
just think, oh, these guys, just these quarterbacks dropped back
and it's like, no, no, there's anxiety. Last year with
Carson Wentz, there were moments and I thought, oh, ship,
he there's he's got a little bit of the golfer
yips here on stuff out in the flat, like just
easy stuff for him, and he was a little broken.
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And then the stories come out that you know, it
was not a great situation for Doug Peterson, for everybody involved. Um,
how do you, I don't know how often you've dealt
with it? How do you get him back in the
right tunnel, in the right lane. We get with every
other sport, we get that you can get off out
of the zone. How do you get him back? Yeah? Well,
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I think that's a great it's a great point you're
make And those examples are great examples. Um, you know,
most of those examples are a little bit more not
individ You know, like the Smoan bio that that's an
individual sport. The throw to first base, you know, that's
kind of a one aspect of a deal where you know,
I think what we're talking about here a little bit
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what I think you're alluding to as a guy losing
confidence and you know, getting out of his rhythm, and
that certainly was said last year. The think about playing
quarterback is you're so dependent on so many other people,
um and so you know, the way to get it
back is, first of all, the change of environments. You know,
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sometimes the change of environment is a good thing. And
you know, we all know that what Doug Peterson did
in Philadelphia and helping that and leaving that team and
organization to a world championship, we obviously put together a
world class environment. But then over sometimes things change and
and and people change and it just doesn't. Things go
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south for whatever the reasons are. And it was just
the right time I think for further change for Carson.
And I think the culture here and the team and
the roster here is is just built for He's the
right piece to plug in for us. I think he
feels that, I even think this area of the country
as a guy from North Dakota, so you know, even
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in the Midwest. Even though I think Carson did a
great job of connecting with the Philly fans and becoming
part of the city, I think this is a natural
home to him. And then as far as a player, Colin,
you know, you just go back to the basics. We
go back to ground up. And um, I've said here
in the media that I don't like to think that
he was broken. It's just a question of resetting, refocusing,
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put him in the right environment, and just go through
that process day by day. And I'm expecting big things.
You're opening schedule is to be diplomatic, brutal. I mean,
you guys got no breaks in your first five weeks.
I do think you can win the division and not
have Carson wentz around for a month. I do. I
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think you're really well coached. I think you have great
line play. Uh some of that drafting, some trades, some
just development, but both lines are really solid. Jonathan Taylor
end of the year, Michael Pittman, Really, you know, you
really saw stars emerging. UM. I could also make an argument,
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as good as you are, Frank, you go one in
five or you know, one in four in this league,
it is your it is hard to get back, is
it possible? Jacob Ees Sam Olinger. Young guys don't have
a lot of reps that maybe the answer is not
currently in camp and somebody coming outside in may very
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well based on the difficulty of schedule, maybe the answer yeah, Well,
you know, first of all, you know, first of all, yes,
it's a legitimate question. Is a question you have to
can't ignore that question. So and it's not being in door. Um,
but you know, we have to have a maturity here
in perspective here that we can do that we can
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keep our head down with the guys that we got
and feel confident the guys that we got. You know,
I understand that Chris Ballot is the GM. He can
have that perspective, um and be thinking and where the
course I have those conversations. But what I'm thinking is,
you know, our roster is our roster. Let's get these
guys ready to play. And then secondly, I mean, I'm
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hoping the best with Carson. I'm not We're not eliminating
the possibility of him playing Week one. We're still a
long way from there and not even close to making
that determination. But um, you know there's still a chance.
So UM, we'll just stay the course here, Chris and
I'll have the appropriate conversations at the appropriate time. Um,
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but we're not there yet, Frank, I was kind of surprised.
I thought you'd win last year. But I really thought
you gave Buffalo a scare and it was a real
football team. And Philip Rivers is just it doesn't look
like it'shes work, and it just does. It looks painful
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when he throws, and he's not a great athlete. Just
go back one year. Did you ever have doubts? I
mean he's retired. Was there ever a moment or or
did you know really early as Philip thing is going
to work for us? Really? Well? Yeah, no, I I
felt it would work for us. Um, you know when
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I looked at US film from the year before that
we got him, you know when when they struggled out
West and for a lot of different reasons, almost a
little bit like what happened in Philadelphia, I mean different scenarios,
but it was not the best year for the team
in the organization out there with Philip and what I
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really Colin looked at his clothes, at his take very
closely from the last couple of years to just make
a determination of how much physically did he have left
in his body. And because I coached him for three
years prior, like I can look at his tape real closely,
and I know, I mean, I know what I see.
And it came very apparent quickly that when I looked
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at the tape his arm strength and who he was
as a quarterback, it really had not diminished even since
I had been there. So I wasn't concerned physically about
his arm strength. And like you said, he was never
a guy that was going to move out of the
pocket anyway, So whether he was thirty two or thirty eight,
it didn't make a difference. He was going to be
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the same guy as long as his arm strength was there.
And um, and you just know Philip has a passion
for the game, and he's got elite leadership and with
no offseason and came in and connected with the team
in a in a very significant way. It was a
great year and a fun year for for him and
for us. And um, yeah, he's a unique He's a
unique guy, so fun to be around, so fun to coach.
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You know, Jimmy Johnson, I once asked him described lead
or ship, and he said, I don't really know what
it is. He goes, I just know Troy Aikman, was
it right? And Philip is out there talking trash and
you know, uh, Andrew Luck conversely very quiet, you know,
kind of h not almost a throwback, you know, you know,
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interesting kind of intellect and interesting personality. If I, as
I said to you, and I have never met Carson,
what kind of a leader is he? What? What? What's
the juice for him there? What is that? I love
that question? And let me give a fifteenth second context
that Really it's a unique situation here. This is our
fourth year and our fourth different quarterback. As you said, Tom,
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you know, starting with Andrew and then Jacoby and then
Philip and then Carson, and we've got four really strong leaders.
But Carson's Carson's juice as a leader, first of all,
just comes from his competitive fire, I mean. And secondly,
I think it comes from a fearlessness that he plays
with and that you feel in the hope. Thirdly, I
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think he's a great teammate. He's not He's not one
of these stat oriented guys, and he cares about winning
and just knowing him personally, I know he deeply cares
about his teammates. We all have different personalities and how
we expressed that. But um on the football field, I
made a statement earlier to the press that when Carson
walks out on the field, certain guys just you can
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feel their energy. You can just feel it. And I
said the Colts Nation, I was like, hey, when this guy,
when you watch this guy walk on to Lucas Oil
Stadium and it's just warmups. It we're not even at
the game yet, but you watch him warm up, you
watch him walk around on the bench, you can just
tell this guy has that. In fact, he's got that
juice about him. He's got an energy about him that
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the guys feel. And his love for the game, his
love for teammates, and his love for the big situations.
I don't think there's any situation it's too big. I
think he I think he loves the big moments. You know,
I remember about seven eight years ago your name coming up.
I was talking to an executive in the league that
that is not Chris Ballard, but I was talking to
an executive and he said, the next great coach is
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going to be Frank Reich and I'm like the quarterback,
I mean, yeah, number fourteen, the guy and he's like,
he's like, yeah, he's gonna And I'm like, you know,
I've never heard that. And he said, you know, this
is a weird league. Some guys get chances early, some
guys get chances late. You would put the time in,
you had played, you had had great mentors. Was there
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a moment for you that you just didn't think it
was gonna happen. You just put your head to the
pillow one night and you're sitting there thinking, God, I've
done it all right, I've checked all the damn boxes.
I am I going to get this shot? Yeah, I know.
I mean after the seventeen season, when you know, being
part of the World Championship and not initially not getting
(28:51):
an interview initially, Um, you know, the psychoud kind of
come and gone and everyone was hired and it's crazy
and it was over, and uh, here was a great
thing about it, Colin. I had my wife and I
had had to sit down as I saw that unfolding
in seventeen. Um, we kind of had this how wow
one night about well here it is. We just everything's
(29:12):
going right and it but not getting any interviews at
the time for whatever reason, you know, and uh, you know,
I just had that looking in Maryland. I'm good. You know.
I love what I'm doing. I love coaching football, whether
you know, whether I be quality control or whether you know,
be the quarterback, coach the offense. I love being around
the guys. I love the game. Um, I love everything
(29:33):
about it. And so UM, I'm thankful the opportunity came.
I'm thankful that Chris Ballard and Mr her say, you know,
after what the unique situation that happened here, gave me
a call and that, um, because I believe we're on
the right path. I believe that, you know, together with
our owner and with Chris, I believe we have a
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vision and a blueprint for what we're trying to do.
And I believe it's taking I believe that the player
us here feel that and know that, and we have
the right time of leadership take us down. And I'm
talking about player leadership to take us down the road
we want to go. You remind me of Tony Dungee. Uh,
you don't toot your own horn, and Tony Dungee went
(30:14):
years without getting it. And I was in Tampa and
Sam Wish was let go and Rich McKay's a friend
of mine, and they interviewed Tony and then they interviewed
him again, and Rich and I had a good relationship,
so I said, listen, just you got to tell me
off the air, like what's going on. And he said,
we know he's the right guy, but he's so quiet.
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And that wasn't an era whe there were some barker,
certain parcels guys, right, And he said like, like, we
know he's the right guy, but you know, you interviewed Tony.
He's almost like a professor. And then they interviewed him
a third time at burn Steakhouse in Tampa and they're like, Okay,
you're the guy, but you're again this is my take,
you're not a big salesman. That's not your that's not
(30:57):
your thing. And you're to me you are and and
and not I'm not just you know, blowing your smoke.
But you're kind of a guy's guy. And in this
world we live in now, Frank, if you don't have
the agent, you're not tooting your horn, you're not on
social that is a component now, right, and that's not
really who you are. Yeah, No, I mean I appreciate
(31:21):
the comparison to Tony donj Obviously, I've worked for him
for a short time, and he would be a guy
who I would want to pattern myself after. As you said, Conna,
you know, I'm not a big yellow and scream I
certainly I don't think anybody would want to take pride
in being a you know, sell promoter. But that's definitely
not something that I want to be good at. Um.
(31:42):
You know what I want to be good at is
being a good teammate. You know, I want to be
a good teammate. Um. And I love being around guys
who love to play football. I love guys who love
practicing football. And UM, you know I'm not outwardly emotional
or or yellow or screamer. But I would hope that
the guys here would say, you know, you can you
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can be steady, you can be even keel, but yet
you can feel an intensity and a passion for the
game for people that you don't have the young screen. Um,
I appreciate you guys who do young screen. I want
a few of those guys on the staff. Uh. I
don't want everybody to be like me. So we you know,
we we got some guys who can raise their voice
(32:23):
and do that, but we all do it our own way.
And uh, you know, you gotta be comfortable in your
own skin and and and do it the right way.
But really, no matter whether you're loud and vocal or
a little bit more suppued, you've got to have that passion.
You've got to have a passion for the people and
your players and for the game, and then that that
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your high school teams, done in college, and then you
go to the NFL. And I'm always fascinated when I
asked guys this, when was the first time in your
career as a player that you were in practice or
on the field with another quarterback and thought, oh, I'm
not the best one here. Oh my god, this guy's
(35:17):
gonna Yeah, that's an easy answer. Um. That was when
in my second year in the league and we signed
Jim Kelly and he threw our first practice, he threw
a couple of footballs, and I said, oh my goodness.
I mean I certainly watched these guys play on top,
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you know, my rookie year. Obviously saw Damn Mari you know,
play um, so on so forth. But um, you know,
just being a practice with another guy, um and seeing
that done, seeing throws made on an every day basis,
was Yeah. I knew that there were I knew that
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there were some guys that were just physically a cut
above the rest of us. I actually grew up the
first quarterback I fell in love with I grew up
in Seattle was Warren Moon. And I always tell my
audience about twice a year go YouTube Warren Moon thirty
five years ago. He'd be the number one pick. It
was insane. He could run, he had a cannon. Speaking
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of personnel, Um, Darius Leonard got picked, and I went
back knowing that you were gonna be on and there
were people like, who's Darius Leonard? This isn't a great pick.
And then literally immediately I went back when he arrived
with the Colts, and you know, the early reviews are, oh,
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good lord, this guy is incredible. When you you make
the pick, you obviously had seen him, you talked about her.
But go back to the first like a practice with
a Darius Leonard and you're just like, now, you don't
want to tell him, you don't want to shout it,
but you whispered to somebody, oh, what did we get
our hands on here? Yeah, it was immediate because of
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two things, you know, One like he steps out on
the field and really it's not just on the field,
it's anywhere, and he just had this guy. We talked
about juice and energy that nobody has it like Darius. Okay,
that nobody. I've never been around anybody like this guy.
He steps on the field and the whole field lights up.
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I mean, he just has He has that much use
and love and passion for the game that I know
what we all do, but he just got a way
about him that is special. Um. And then secondly, you know, yes,
he's physically talented. There's a lot of guys physically talented,
but he's got that gift of seeing the play happened
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before it happens, you know, like knowing what's going to happen,
and he's there, and then he has the length and
the attitude to finish place. And the great thing about
Darius is he's proven it in the years in the
three years that he's been here. Well what I mean,
it's not just making a million tackles, it's causing fumbles,
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recovering fumbles, making interceptions and sacking the quarterback. He does everything.
I mean, he can make plays at every level and
he makes them consistently, and he's done that for three
straight years. Um. One more, I thought it was kind
of a a really neat moment a couple maybe ten
days ago, and they asked Nick Foles about your situation,
(38:27):
and Nick thinks so highly of you, and then you
think so highly of Nick, you know, And I'm on
the air and I'm like, uh, I said, these guys like,
let's just get it together, Okay, Like let's have the
reunion tour. Let's not not waste any time. They both
love each other. And then you know, somebody came on
my show and they said, you know, you want to
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respect your quarterback, but you know you gotta win games
in this league. Was the Nick Foles talk real? Your
your admiration for him, his for you, your early schedule,
Carson's injury, We know the relationship, we know the Philly story.
Is that a walking on eggshells thing for you? Are
you comfortable with it? Where do you land on that? Yeah,
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I'm really comfortable with it. I'm really comfortable with gushing
about player and person that I think very highly about.
So all the things that I say are real and authentic,
and I feel those guys and I feel them and
I root for Nick incredibly hard. Um. You know, right now,
going back to you our earlier comment is, you know,
he plays under contract with the Bears. UM, and we
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have two guys and three guys, three other guys in
camp who are making progress, and so I don't know
any other way to deal with it other than to
you know, respect the process and uh allow. You know,
I think we all think the best case scenarios. You know,
grow your draft guys, you develop them and they're ready
to go. UM. So I think you have to give
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things time and but you have to trust the process,
and that's what we're doing. Great having you on Frank,
total pro, easy guy to root for. I know you're busy,
always appreciate opportunities to talk to smart guys, and I
appreciate it. Thanks thanks for having me on Frank Reich.
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