August 23, 2021 • 47 mins
Colin talks about why the shaky preseason performances by Jimmy G and Trey Lance put the 49ers in a tough position (1:00). He also talks about his trip to WWE SummerSlam and his change of heart on wrestling fans. Then Tyler Dunne - founder of the Go Long newsletter - and Colin discuss why Zach Wilson's atypical style may work to his benefit (9:00), the Aaron Rodgers comment that still bothers Colin (12:00), why the Packers can't overcome the bad blood with their star QB (18:00), what Aaron Rodgers does to manipulate the media (22:00), why it's hard to live in Green Bay (30:00), what to make of the strange messages that Rodgers' camp has been sending out (36:00), and why Matt Nagy deserves blame for the Bears problems.
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Monday Morning Podcast. So I'm gonna get to Tyler Done
and talk twenty five minutes of Green Bay Insight. Also
some thoughts on Zach Wilson. The Jets and the Packers
scrimmage for a week and had their game and it's
actually pretty good so far. So my first thought, I
want to talk Niners Chargers, which most of you, I
imagine watched Sunday night. Um, I thought Eastern Stick, the
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Chargers back up, was the best quarterback on the field. Uh.
You know, Jimmy Garoppolo obviously has an injury issue, and
that's well documented. You know, one of the things Garoppolo
also struggles with, and this is fairly common knowledge for
anybody that watches the Niners, is he's hot and cold
with his accuracy. I thought his accuracy was really poor
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in the drive that I watched with Jimmy Garoppolo. And
that's why Kyle Shanahan a couple of years ago in
that drive of the Super Bowl took the football out
of his hands. You know, Garoppolo is not talented enough
to stave off Trey Lance if Trey Lance had played
an entire year of college football. But Trey Lance, of
all the young quarterbacks, to me, looks the most overwhelmed
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and uneven. Now remember that's important because Trey Lance has
arguably the best offensive coach of all the rookie quarterbacks
and the best offensive line of all the rookie quarterbacks,
and he struggled the most. This all comes down to
a kid who just simply has not played football in
two years. And when he did play, it was not
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a quarterback reliant offense. It was very much the Alabama
of that division of football. Alabama's won national titles with
quarterbacks that have not been drafted, have not even signed
unrestricted free agent contracts. That's North Dakota State. So you know,
when when I look at Trey Lance, I see a
really big, strong, talented athlete. But even with Kyle Shanahan,
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those weapons and that offensive line, He's not ready to play.
Zach Wilson is ready to play. Justin Field is ready
to play. Trevor Lawrence is going to be ready to play.
Mac Jones. I think it's good enough. His accuracy and
understanding of New England's playbook, he's ready to play. There's
a lower ceiling. I don't think Trey is ready to
play at all. And that's the toughest division in football,
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so that's a real issue. So Garoppolo is going to
be the starter. But having watched San Francisco now for
a couple of preseason games, I'm selling a little stock.
They're a little uneven. Garoppolo's accuracy remains an issue. And
Tray of all the young quarterbacks, I mean, let's be honest,
Tray Lance should be the most effective of all these
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young quarterbacks. Justin Fields in Chicago has a regrettable offensive
line in front of him, Trevor Lawrence has a bad roster,
Zach Wilson has a bad roster. Trey Lance should be
crushing this and he's just not ready. Eastern Stick was
a significantly more poised quarterback in that game last night.
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Significantly more poised when they were both playing against two's.
Now this is something else I want to address. It's
very hard. It's the Sean McVeigh effect. McVeigh used to
play any starters several years ago in the preseason, and
instead of hurting the Rams, they started eight no. So
now he's the pied piper of the don't play starters
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movement this preseason. Not only are all but one or
two or three teams not playing starters, they're going two
back ups back ups by the beginning of the second quarter.
So outside of Tray Lance, all these quarterbacks look fantastic,
and we know they're they're not all going to going
to be fantastic too. It looks great, and Zach Wilson
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looks great. Zach Wilson is going to have a lot
of rough Sundays in the NFL. So it's very hard
for me to really judge anybody. But I've always said
it's easier to spot bad or struggling than it is
to spot very good. You can be fooled with very good.
Trey Lance isn't ready to play. Garoppolo's accuracy remains an issue,
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and I just think a little less of the Niners
today because of it. Tyler Donne in about five minutes. Alright.
So I spent the weekend in Vegas, went to the
Manny Pacchio fight. I'll talk about that this week. Um.
Many of you know I had formerly called wrestling fans
booger eaters, and many of you still do eat your boogers.
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That goes without saying I do not. Some of you
still do. But the minute I created the Volume and
hired Renee Paquette, she's kind of our north star. She
really symbolizes what I want the Volume to be, which
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And as I make several hires over the next couple
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to bring the Volume out into your first live event.
And I'm like, wait, that's why I hired Renee Piquette. Absolutely,
So let me just say it was an absolute blast. Um.
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Wrestling fans cracked me up forty six thousand there. The
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It's unbelievable. This is a fifty two week production with
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So thanks to everybody that supported us. All Right, Aaron
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Rodgers last week I said a week before training camp
he was retiring. I thought it was inarguably a bad move,
and I want to bring in a guy who's not
a suck up, who covers the Packers with objectivity. Tyler
Dunne and I want to spend about fifteen minutes talking
about the Packers, their game against the Jets, and a
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little Chicago Bears. So here we go. Alright, Tyler Dunn,
founder of the Golong newsletter. Visit go long t D
dot com to subscribe, It's worth it, and co host
the Go Long podcast. He's the one reporter for the
Packers who I've always felt would give you the straight skinny. Uh. Increasingly.
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I was talking to Bill Simmons about this when I
went to UH SummerSlam. I said, there's so many young
people in broadcasting, and they tend to be very much
pro player that you know. Sometimes if a coach coach
is a guy hard, Uh, that coach is terrible and uh,
and they also tend to be home errific. And Tyler's not.
(09:11):
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It's absolutely worth it. So let's start with this before
we get into the Packers. The Jets were in town.
Zack Wilson, So Jordan loves not plan Aaron Rodgers not planning, Uh,
Zack Wilson, Now we got two starts, and you know
it's funny, Tyler. We we do kind of know. It's
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the Sean McVeigh effect. A lot of these coaches are
not only refusing to play starters, they're going to the
third string at the start of the second quarter. So
every quarterback except maybe Trey Lance, who's got like, you know,
one start in two years, has looked magnificent. So let's
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preface it with this is a weird cultural change in
the NFL where outside of Belichicks, only nobody's playing starters
and fewer playing big time backups. But what did you
take from Zach Wilson? What did you hear? What did
you see? After we're your thoughts on it? I mean,
I guess I saw what everybody else saw in that game, right.
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He looked really good. He looked like a quarterback going
through his progressions and the ball was coming out fast.
He was hitting Corey Davis. That's something that they hope
to see when the game's count. And then talking to
his coaches at b y U, they made a point
to say, this isn't Johnny Manzel, like Johnny Manzel in college. Like, look,
he made a lot of magnificent plays he ran around.
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He created. There's a lot of improvisation, but in retrospect
it was a lot of the chicken with his head
cut off kind of stuff. On offense. They they really
said that this is a quarterback who did that kind
of stuff like within the offense, within a plan that
he literally was looking at film with them up to
games and saying, all right, end of the first half,
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they're gonna be in this defense the backside say he's
gonna do this. If I roll to the right, I'm
gonna chuck it deep left because there's gonna be a short, slight,
tiny little window there where I can make that play
happen with my arm strength. So he's got some rare talent.
You can see why they took him second overall. Yeah,
I mean the ball comes out quickly. At Marino had it,
Aaron Rodgers had it. There's been quarterbacks you know who
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weren't huge stars. Some guys look different when they throw.
He certainly does. Now. The Packers had practices all, you know,
all week with the Jets, had several practices to look
at and you know, the Jets had a really bad week.
They lose their top edge rusher Denzel Min's is not healthy.
They lose his safety at least for the time being.
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But did you learn anything about the Packers during that
week against the Jets? Because the fans don't see that,
right we watched games. I'm watching the NFL network. What
did you see during the week week from the Packers
through training camp. I've tried to talk to players. I'm
talking to many sources in Green Bay to get a
sense for how they look. And the sense I get
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is that, you know, at least out in the field,
everything kind of picked up where they left off. Granted,
Aaron Rodgers staged something we haven't really seen in quite
some time in my lifetime anyways, where the best player,
the rain and MVP wanted the hell out of there,
as you know, I mean, he wanted out absolutely, and
he was willing to retire. I think up to that
Friday he's telling the truth. He was willing to leave
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the team and he's back, but there's still a lot
of bad blood there. I think we could see drama
at some point this season. I think he's gone after
this season. I think Green they should have traded him,
taking their picks, taking their players and just moved on,
but in this last dance kind of run. Everything I
hear is there's no problems leaving the locker. I got
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into this discussion the other day, Um, you know psychology
one oh one about Aaron Rodgers with a friend, and
you know he's he's in the NFL. He's not high ranking,
but he's got a good sense of the league, and
it's kind of projecting. Aaron almost feels like he wants
everybody to know that he doesn't need football. He's above it. Um,
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I could do Jeopardy. I like music, I like travel.
I've got enough money. Um. By the way, he's had
issues with his family. Their their criticism has been he's
sort of acts like he's above us. I think when
Aaron comes out and says it's fifty fifty tightler, I
thought it. I think it shrinks the market. My friend
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said this, He said, listen, man, football's hard, Like what
general manager is going to roll the dice even with Aaron.
I mean, Derek Carr's less talented, but he's also cheaper
and he's one hundred percent in. I thought that comment
from Aaron that you know, I'm fifty fifty, I'm into it.
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A green Bay, which is well run. He's fifty fifty.
If you go to Denver and yet and you have
some injuries on the offensive line, do I have you?
Are you there? Are you? Are you a baller or
you a Baylor? Were you surprised at all that he
went public with a fifty fifty comments. I'm surprised that
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he went public with it. But this is who Aaron
Rodgers has always been. I mean, this goes back to,
you know, early in his career. I mean, those problems
with Mike McCarthy. It started back when he was went
in Super Bowl, the dust super Bowl, and when in
his first MVP he didn't respect his head coach and
behind the scenes he was trashing his head coach. He's
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telling people close to him like he's sending in the
wrong place, he's sending in the wrong formations. You know,
he's you know, taking all this credit when I really
should be getting all the credit for running the show.
Maybe he's right, but this is the kind of stuff
that's been percolating for a while. I think he reached
the point in his career, in his life. Read his
doesn't give a damn, He doesn't care. He thinks he
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is above it. To your point, Collen, I think that
he believes I'm a three time m v p um.
You know, if people can take it or leave it.
But this is how I feel, and it is I
will say, it's nice to kind of see the truth
come out a little bit. People are seeing the real
Aaron Rodgers here, and it's somebody who holds a grudge
unlike anybody I've ever covered in professional sports. As you noted,
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I mean, he has cut family out, he has cut friends,
his best friends out. I mean, and I've I've reported
on it. I mean, look when his best friends doesn't
show up to the wedding and this friends and find
out there right before um grandfather's funeral who he used
to be really close with doesn't go to that sense
of the Christmas presents back. This is all back in.
All the bad blood is still there with people close
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to him. So that if that's who you are in
your personal life, I mean, hey, you can't completely compartmentalize
if he's piste off and Brian goodikins that that doesn't
just go away. He can't pretend that away. It's his credit.
He didn't pretend to a way its press conference. You
can tell that bad blood is still there with the
one person that made him want to want to get
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when I used to criticize him seven years ago, and
I got a lot of heat from Green Bay media,
and I knew my sources were good, so I didn't
doubt it, and so I would, you know, um, And
it was nothing against Bob McGinn and people who had
(20:13):
been there forever. But I knew they had to know
what I know because I was. I had it from
an agent, I had it from a somebody on the team,
a player. I had it somebody that was formerly a
coach on the team and left, and they're like, he's
a pain in the ass, and he's he's he's really,
you know, he's difficult to coach. But there is something
(20:34):
to be said that when you his overall theme Aaron's
overall theme is I don't need anybody. I don't need
my family, I don't need football, I don't need And
that's that's projecting like that. There there is some inner
conflict with Aaron Rodgers, and I don't have any interest guessing,
(20:54):
but you picked up on it six or seven years ago.
I also think he's so talented. It's almost when he
hangs out with Hollywood celebrities, it almost makes sense. It's
very Hollywood. He's the difficult brooding actor. He's he's Brando,
where you know, he's just a sensational talent. And because
of that, he doesn't have to memorize his lines like Brando.
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Like he he can be difficult. I mean, when would
you get players to regularly talk about it off the
record with you six seven years ago? Not so much
six seven years ago. You know, when I was on
the beat at the Journal Sentinel, it was almost kind
of like body language and reading between the lines, because
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a teammate in that locker room, they're not gonna just
come out and in trash league, MVP a quarterback, somebody
who's gonna make them a lot of money, somebody who's
gonna win a lot of games. But you could kind
of tell that, you know, in terms of those those
relationships in the building, in the locker room, you know,
it's not necessarily as tight as maybe it was between
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Bret Barvin and his teammates where they're they're gonna run
through a wall for the guy. I don't those bonds
were as strong, and I think it kind of happened
over time when you know a lot of those veterans
that were on the team started to leave. He's kind
of the oldest guy in the room. You know, he's
old enough to be people's father's and at this point
that locker room, I don't know if he can relate
to a lot of guys on that level. But you know,
(22:18):
to your point, I think that, yeah, he he just
looks at it as is this person going to help
me get to where I want to get in terms
of all time greatness being a special transcendent talent. And
if you don't fit into that calculation in his mind,
then see you, Like if if you piss him up,
see you. And he just has this narrow focus that
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a lot of the greats have, right And if you're
the Packers, you're gonna put up with a certain amount
of this to a degree, because he's so good, because
he's so talented, you you're gonna put up with the drum,
and you're gonna put up with him calling you Jerry
Krauss and all the text messages. I just thought that
this offseason push kind of came to shove. If I'm
Green Bay and Trey Lance, who's on our TV right now,
he's patching three? First, what are you getting for Aaron Rodgers?
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Is it really worth it for one more year with
somebody who's fifty who if things go south, what's gonna
happen with him? Play to play? Um, I get it.
You know, you weren't win a super Bowl. It's all
about one in a super Bowl. But it doesn't seem
worth it to me, especially with somebody's one and four
in the NFC Championship game and there's only one one
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super Bowl. You know. I think, just in life, if
if you feel you're committed and you're not getting the
support or you're better than the surrounding people, there's a
protective mechanism that people use that. Okay, I don't I
don't give a sh it either. And I thought after
the draft when they went to the NFC Championship, were
bullied by the Niners twice that year, and the Chargers
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by the way, and they went and got a quarterback,
a running back that didn't need a blocking tight end.
It was a developmental draft by and large, and I thought, wow,
that hurts. And I think he's always been a brooding figure.
But I thought, I thought after that, it felt like
it went to another stage. It's like, come on, we're
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I need playmakers like I need people that helped me.
Russell Wilson had just gotten the year before DK Metcalf.
You know, Brady's asking for and getting, you know, guys
like Leonard for Nett or a right tackle Tristan Worth's.
I maybe you know, um dramatizing this, but I always
felt I feel Errand's difficult. But I thought the draft,
(24:29):
he just said I'm out, Like, okay, I'm not giving
you everything I have. You just went and drafted players
that will have zero impact for two years. That I
really feel and and maybe I'm being hyperbolic, but I
kind of feel that draft changed the entire relationship. Absolutely did.
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I think you nailed it. And this is a quarterback
who is looking for every possible slight out there. I mean,
he's a quarterback who's cording his one on one interviews
with people, who's reading every article about him, who still
remembers being slighted back in high school in college, and
he uses all of this. I mean, I can I'm
really tight with Bob McGinn, who you mentioned. I can
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remember Aaron in the locker room, you know, intercepting Bob
and because he was upset that Bob wrote in a
column once that Aaron knows how to manipulate people in situations,
which turns out to be true. I mean, we're seeing
that very very true. So he's i mean, his intent
is up all the time, so he's you know, very
very ultra sensitive to this. So I mean, there's a
member of the front office who told me a couple
(25:34):
of years ago. It was in the story I wrote
a Bleacher Report that you know, it's kind of strange
that somebody this talented cares this much about all of
that when he's so good, when he really should just
be like Tom Brady and I just gonna say, you know,
screw it, whatever, I'm nothing's gonna bother me him. Aaron
freaking Rogers. But that's a double edged sword. He's gonna
use it, right, So maybe Brian Ludikinsknew. Okay, in draft
(25:57):
Jordan Love, it's gonna piss him off. He's gonna win
m v P and you know, we'll deal with whatever
comes with that. And he took that, but you also
should know it could get to this point where he's
trying to force his way out. I mean, he he
tried to force his way out out of that draft
to your point, and we can debate the merits of
the pick. You know, I think there were signs maybe
(26:18):
in twenty nineteen, at the end of that that season
that Aaron Rodgers he didn't look that sharp in that
Lions season finale, he didn't um the NFC Championship game,
they get they get blown out. He tells Matt la
Flora halftime. I got it, you know, just told I'm
calling the place from now on. I mean, maybe that
was sprinkled in there and I saw some red flags. Um,
(26:39):
there were there were signs, and okay, you piss him off.
You know what's gonna happen when he plays piste off,
He's gonna play really, really well, And it just got
to this point. Maybe they didn't expect him to take
it this far because it got really messy. Um. By
the way, do you think his relationship now with Matt
Lafleur after the NFC Championship. I mean, again I say this,
(27:02):
I just feel like the handcuffs are off with Aaron.
When he went fifty fifty comment, I thought, I, I've
got to stop being nice, Like that's weird. I can't
even fathom Russell Wilson saying that Peyton managed four neck surgeries.
You could not pull him off the field. It's I
also have a story that I'm going to I will
(27:25):
eventually say it, but I won't say it now because
I have somebody I want to protect. But you know,
Aaron screwed over kind of a legendary quarterback in the
last eighteen months on a charity event sort of no showed. Um,
Aaron Rodgers, you have similar Yes. Yeah, So I I
(27:48):
heard it this weekend and it was from a absolutely
great source. So, you know, I kind of feel like
with Aaron, once you go fifty fifty, I'm gonna I'm
gonna talk about and report on you differently, Like, dude,
you're not You're not in Russell Wilson's class. You're not.
You're not in Brady's like, that's just not leadership. Leadership
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is not telling a company your employee base. I may
be with you, I maybe not so. I just wonder
do you think he and La Fleur? How good is
it scale a one to ten? It'll never be ten
with Aaron, it would probably not be never in its
best days? And nine do you think it was dinged
a little after the NFC Championship. Yes, and and just
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before I forget to you, you're right on with I
think it's kind of like that victim mentality. When you
say I don't have a victim mentality, you're playing the
victim Carter. I mean, that's really what what he did.
I mean in so many different ways during that press conference, um,
which which you would never see a Tom Brady and
Russell Wilson. You're right, he went on a diet tribe
for like twenty minutes. Yeah, it was ridiculous. Um. You
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know the relationship with Matt Lafloor. I was told by
multiplayers he just to tolerates Matt Lacloor. You know, I
don't think it's nearly as great as many in the
local media would lead you to believe you know, what's
Matt Lore gonna say at the podium, like, of of
course he's gonna say nothing but gushing gushing things about
Aaron Rodgers, Like I think it's fine. I think it's okay.
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I think Aaron Rodgers is at a point where, similar
to Mike McCarthy, he's gonna do what he wants at
the line of the scrimmage. That that's what he's doing.
I mean, Matt with Flor has his offense, but Aaron
Rodgers has his offense. Mark Weisvelda Scanlon Tony on the record,
I did a profile within this offseason, like there's two
playbooks in Green Bay. There's Matt with there's Aaron Rodgers
and Aaron Rodgers. He might audible to a play from
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when you were in high school. He's done that for
some guys. I don't know what he's talking about. Um. Also,
it's a reasoning one m v P. I mean, his
his his memory is insane. There's nobody like it. But
I do think, you know, it's a fine relationship. I
think the relationship that he really does cherishes with Nate Hackett,
the offensive coordinator. It's kind of described to me almost
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like a lovey dovey kind of relationship, like it's they're
really really close in the meetings. I mean they're really tight.
So that that's good floor good a kins. You know.
I don't think that's ever going to be repaired. I
think that's that's done. That's dead. And uh, I still
think he's gone after the season. I think they're kind
of playing out the string right now. I was in
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Vegas this weekend and I had a security guard that
was taking me, you know, from place to place, which
is sometimes happens when I'm at events. And he was
a Packer fan and he was like a season ticket holder,
and he said, far Vin Rogers, like, what's in the water.
He goes, explain to me, why we get the guys
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that threatened retirement, We get these guys that hate the
front office. And the only thing I could muster was, well,
there's no other team in town. It's almost a high
school town more than a college town. It's so small,
and the players are, to I degree, trapped, and so
there's a little bit of an angst being a Packer
quarterback because you don't have a normal life if you quarterback,
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even in a city like Detroit with multiple proteins. You
go about in the bourbs, you can hide. So there
is sort of this Messiah complex in Green Bay where
you are the economy, not just the quarterback. You are
the economy. And it is weird if I told you
in the last twenty years there's two quarterbacks that basically
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threatened retirement, were very difficult and despite the fact they
had a really good organization that drafted, well, we're perpetually
unhappy within their organization. And it would be one team,
it would be the Green Bay Packers. Do you have
a theory on kind of far Van Rodgers, because I've
said this, Aaron's becoming Brett going public too much. I'm
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half in, I'm half out. I've got my own playbook.
You mentioned that, so did Farv Like what is the
psycho pology when you were at the Milwaukee Journal, Like
roll it out there because when the when the guy
asked me over the weekend, that's the best I could
come up with. And it is funny because that's what
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he despised early in his career, and Rodgers hated it.
He hated how Brett farve got special treatment, how Brett
Farvee had his own blocker was separate from the other guys.
Like when Aaron Rodgers was the backup, he was he
was one of the guys. I was an intern green
Bay back in oh six, oh seven, you know, still
in college, and it's one of the cover of the team,
lived out of out of a hotel, working for the
(32:34):
Shawn Oh Leader, I think. And I talked to Aaron
Rodgers all the time, and you could just see he
was more down to earth. He was one of the guys.
I mean a lot of the younger players on that
team gravitated to Aaron Rodgers, like Brett Farbes, missing O,
t A s. Stuff like that. It was Aaron Rodgers.
And like the fact that Brett Farve was seeking special
treatment and got that special treatment. Um, and then he
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became what he just buis like I said, I mean,
he became that over time. And I think a lot
of it does have to do with the town. And
trust me, I lived in Green Bay for five years.
I freaking loved it. I couldn't lived there my whole life,
friends for life there. The people are amazing. You know,
I don't know what he's talking about. Trash and as
a vacation spot man, you gotta get the Door County.
It's beautiful up there, the bluff, unreal, unreal place to live.
(33:20):
But I'll say there was my ex girlfriend. I remember
one time we went to the movies and, uh, what
was the one with Jake Gillett Hall. I can't remember
the name, but the only people at this movie were me,
my ex girlfriend, Aaron Rodgers, Seneca Wallas, and Seneca walls
Is wife. I think nobody else even there. I mean
(33:40):
there's Green Baye and Nutshell like night out that that's
what he's doing. I think that lifestyle kind of gets
old after a while, right, you can only have so
many steak dinners at at Shives and Swamako. You know,
he's gone through the celebrity girl friends, he's gone through
that lifestyle. He surrounds himself with celebrities. He wants that lifestyle.
You're not gonna get it in was Johnson. When you
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uh talk to people now, obviously now you have a
you're on the subscription world, not not the newspaper space.
But when you talk to those guys and and I
don't know how chummy or friendly you guys are, I
mean it's a competitive space. There's a lot of guys
out there. The Packers are a national brand. But um,
there there does reach a point where, I mean, people
(34:26):
just get tired of people, no matter how beautiful they are,
how attractive they are. Do you think we crossed there's
been a tipping point? The fifty fifty line to me
was that that that the fans there are now more
tolerating Errand than loving him, and the media is similarly
understands this is who he is. Everybody kind of wants
(34:49):
it to end now. Media fans say, um, in terms
of media, you know there are some Tom Silberstein number one,
it was my cowork fantastic job. Still, I mean, he's
unbelievably objective media wise. I mean that he's I don't
think they're tired of him. I think there's some really
close relationships there. Um and that you know, the coverage
(35:13):
is often with with a few and I'm not gonna
lump everybody together. Like I said, there's some people who
do a fantastic job through this all was very pro twelve.
He's very good at cultivating those relationships. I think that
he wasn't expecting when that report went out. Yea, who
sports Charles Robinson? He wants Brian glue conspired. I don't
(35:34):
think he expected it to be whatever seventy three Pro team,
you know. I think people like Aaron you know, there's
the door, don't let it hit you on the way up,
and people reaching out to me left and right, center,
d MS apologizing that they were contraction me a couple
of years ago that Bleacher Reports story and uh, it's anecdotal,
but yeah, a lot of people came out of the
woodworks like we're seeing it now. I'm sick this guy
(35:56):
like are you in? Are you out? Bent Farve wanted
back in, Aaron Rodgers wanted out. So I think a
lot of fans were, Okay, enough is enough. But now
that he's back and he's really really good and he's
throwing touchdowns at lambeau Field, they're going to root for him.
They're gonna cheer mom. You know, They're not going to
be booing Aaron Rodgers at any point this season. But
(36:16):
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a complicated fellow. He is who he is. He's not
going to change. This is probably it. And there was
more of a connection with Brett Favre than there ever
was with Aaron Rodgers. With the fans. Yeah, if you
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the AD Council. The You know their draft, they got
a Marii Rodgers as a slot receiver. Um who Randall
Cobb was about seven years ago? So I think he'll
play um this morning? If I asked you, Um, I
mean I've watched every team play in preseason. Uh, Baltimore
Buffalo look as good as anybody Green bas fine, They're good. Um.
(38:26):
I mean you obviously can't play Jordan's Love during the season.
It won't sit well with Aaron. You can't do a
Trey Lance garoppolo, or you just can't do it. It's
just it's just or guden Kent's will be personing on
Grota beyond what he is now. But I would say this,
you just said something. You said Aaron is really good
(38:46):
at creating relationships with members of the media to get
his message out. Have you found in the last year
that guden Kunst behind the scenes has been developed relationships
to get his message out or does that? Is that
not the way he operates? See that at all? And
(39:10):
to his he probably should play that game a little
bit more. Somebody with the team should play that. They
don't talk to anybody really in terms of the power brokers,
I really don't think so. You know, I think that
they as much as Aaron Rodgers is the one saying
that there's wisdom and silence, and you know he wanted
this to all be behind closed doors. I don't think
the Packers are sabotaging themselves here. Are the Packers really
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the day of the draft, you know, telling Adam Schefter
and Am Schefter is amazing. I mean, I consider Brandy,
I don't know who we talked to. Are the Packers though?
Are they telling everybody what's going on behind closed doors
to trash themselves like they don't leak anything? Um, they don't.
They don't talk. That's how it's been for a while now.
(39:54):
Back to Ted Thompson, So I think a lot of
that does come from the Rogers camp and trying to
get it, you know, really get a message out getting
aired about you know, the whole the no weapons thing.
I mean, you know, we we can debate that, but
that was that was a storyline. When we're talking about
(40:15):
who's around Rodgers and the fact that they don't give
him weapons, we're not talking about Aaron Rodgers not selling
out at the goal line on third goal and dropping
the floor in the end of the championship game. I
think he was really smart right after that game to
put his own future into jeopardy, and he shocked the floor.
He shocked the packet. They weren't expecting him to just
(40:36):
drop that bomb the night of that loss, because he
knew by doing that, we're talking about his future. Your shoe,
you're talking about his future the next day. Probably no,
it's it's it's a great point, Tyler, that that was
a huge play that he he could have gone either way.
And again he's smart enough to talk about his future
(40:58):
after that game and it's a fire bomb. And so
and I remember the next day, what did I talk
about that comment? I didn't talk about that play. So
there was the fleur called, there was the Aaron judgment.
There were the coach and the quarterback deserved a lot
of heat and the coach got all of it. And
(41:19):
that's another way of Aaron. I think you know again
when Bob McGinn, a Hall of Fame writer, said, fifteen
years ago or thirteen years ago, Aaron manipulates people. He
spotted it early. Listen. Next years, Cap hit his forty
six million and Jordan loves his three million. We're not
stupid here, Green Bay would ideally now now when Aaron
(41:41):
leaves next year, if he does, it's it's a twenty
million dollar hit or thereabouts. But the bottom line is
if you could save twenty two million dollars with Jordan's love,
that's three players. I mean that that that is an
edge rusher, that is a that's another receiver, that's a
number three or number two corner. Um. So I mean
I I think the writing is on the wall. Back
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to your first point, which is we all kind of
know this is a one and done. I do want
to talk about, um a couple of things that are
interesting in your pur view, because you also have good
contacts with the Bears, and that's the primary rival in
that division. Mitch Trabinsky, by the way, looked great for
Buffalo and uh, the Andy DULs Andy Dalton situation is
(42:24):
a bit of a mess because the offensive lines in
a total rebuild. I blame Ryan Pace the GM who. Um.
I have two people in Chicago who I lean in,
two reporters I lean on, and both just just don't
think he's terribly smart. They really don't they. I mean,
if you go look at their draft picks, there's a
(42:45):
lot of Missus Trabinsky being the primary one. Um when
you were when you cover a Packers Bears game, you
have all sorts of people that cover Chicago that you
know as well. Um, I've always been a fan of
Matt Nagee, but boy, when you watch Buffalo play Chicago,
(43:06):
Buffalo was simply more crisp. They're more efficient. Um, how
much of the Chicago mess is Matt Naggie, I think plenty.
I think that he doesn't really seem to have his
figure in the pulse of the position we really thought
he did. Even obviously Cherbinsky is I'm mistake. I mean,
(43:29):
it goes without saying, but to pull him when they
did last season kind of strange, kind of early, and
then to ride out in Nick Foles as long as
they did. When you know, getting the ball past midfield
was an odyssey for this offense And the only reason
they go back to Drabinsky is because Boles gets hurt,
they sneak into the playoffs, they keep their jobs. It
was just a bizarre, strange year, and I think that's
(43:51):
why they had the off season they had, and I
tried to really get to the bottom of their their
hunt for a quarterback this offseason between him and Ryan Pace.
I mean, they knew they were lucky to have their jobs,
like you know, wins over what Houston and Jacksonville save
their jobs, and they knew they had to get a quarterback,
and they tried everything. I mean, they really thought they
were gonna have a shot at Watson. They really Ben
(44:13):
Roethlisberger was in the picture. Somebody told me they probably
placed the call the Packers for Aaron Rodgers. They're trying
everything and Russell Wilson. They really thought they had that
deal done, like that was close. They didn't get Russell Wilson,
so they end up with Justin Fields. In a roundabout way,
signing Dalton allows them to not get you know, hit
(44:34):
up too bad for draft picks when they had to
move up to take Fields because they can kind of
sell Dalton to an extent better than you can sell Foals. Um.
But trust me, they tried everybody, the stop scene and everybody. Um,
what is your gut feeling. I do think Dalton will
start the first week. I think there's been a promise
made behind the scenes. In fact, somebody I know that
(45:01):
is a pretty He's close to the organization. He's He's
told me in a couple occasions there's kind of a handshake, agreement,
kind of an understand understanding. Dalton starts in week one.
That's that's my take. UM, if I said to you,
when does Justin Fields play when it would be your guest,
(45:25):
I've heard similar things to that Andy Dalton when you
heard it from him too. But you are what you are.
We all saw that performance against Buffalo. It was it
was ugly. I mean, this is what Andy Dalton is.
At this point. I think he probably starts and loses,
you know, a game, two games, and they have no
choice but to go to Justin Fields. I don't see
(45:47):
how you can just roll with Andy Dalton for for
too long. When you take a Justin Fields and everybody
in the city wants him to play. People in the
locker room. Are gonna want him to play, you know,
and as you know, I mean that that's really who
you're trying to win over teammates in the locker. If
you can get veterans to believe that Justin Fields is
the answer quarterback, I think that's probably when they make
(46:09):
the move. And if Andy Dalton goes out there throws
a couple of picks, looks like the same player we've seen.
No good, never great. You have to take a shot
at great. All right, Tyler, it's great talking to you. Uh,
let's let's go back to watching the second half of
the Chargers and the forty Niners. And thanks for coming on.
Thanks so much for having me, Colin. Great to see Himan.
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Monday Morning Podcast. So I'm gonna get to Tyler Done
and talk twenty five minutes of Green Bay Insight. Also
some thoughts on Zach Wilson. The Jets and the Packers
scrimmage for a week and had their game and it's
actually pretty good so far. So my first thought, I
want to talk Niners Chargers, which most of you, I
imagine watched Sunday night. Um, I thought Eastern Stick, the
(02:13):
Chargers back up, was the best quarterback on the field. Uh.
You know, Jimmy Garoppolo obviously has an injury issue, and
that's well documented. You know, one of the things Garoppolo
also struggles with, and this is fairly common knowledge for
anybody that watches the Niners, is he's hot and cold
with his accuracy. I thought his accuracy was really poor
(02:35):
in the drive that I watched with Jimmy Garoppolo. And
that's why Kyle Shanahan a couple of years ago in
that drive of the Super Bowl took the football out
of his hands. You know, Garoppolo is not talented enough
to stave off Trey Lance if Trey Lance had played
an entire year of college football. But Trey Lance, of
all the young quarterbacks, to me, looks the most overwhelmed
(02:57):
and uneven. Now remember that's important because Trey Lance has
arguably the best offensive coach of all the rookie quarterbacks
and the best offensive line of all the rookie quarterbacks,
and he struggled the most. This all comes down to
a kid who just simply has not played football in
two years. And when he did play, it was not
(03:20):
a quarterback reliant offense. It was very much the Alabama
of that division of football. Alabama's won national titles with
quarterbacks that have not been drafted, have not even signed
unrestricted free agent contracts. That's North Dakota State. So you know,
when when I look at Trey Lance, I see a
really big, strong, talented athlete. But even with Kyle Shanahan,
(03:44):
those weapons and that offensive line, He's not ready to play.
Zach Wilson is ready to play. Justin Field is ready
to play. Trevor Lawrence is going to be ready to play.
Mac Jones. I think it's good enough. His accuracy and
understanding of New England's playbook, he's ready to play. There's
a lower ceiling. I don't think Trey is ready to
play at all. And that's the toughest division in football,
(04:06):
so that's a real issue. So Garoppolo is going to
be the starter. But having watched San Francisco now for
a couple of preseason games, I'm selling a little stock.
They're a little uneven. Garoppolo's accuracy remains an issue. And
Tray of all the young quarterbacks, I mean, let's be honest,
Tray Lance should be the most effective of all these
(04:28):
young quarterbacks. Justin Fields in Chicago has a regrettable offensive
line in front of him, Trevor Lawrence has a bad roster,
Zach Wilson has a bad roster. Trey Lance should be
crushing this and he's just not ready. Eastern Stick was
a significantly more poised quarterback in that game last night.
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Significantly more poised when they were both playing against two's.
Now this is something else I want to address. It's
very hard. It's the Sean McVeigh effect. McVeigh used to
play any starters several years ago in the preseason, and
instead of hurting the Rams, they started eight no. So
now he's the pied piper of the don't play starters
(05:10):
movement this preseason. Not only are all but one or
two or three teams not playing starters, they're going two
back ups back ups by the beginning of the second quarter.
So outside of Tray Lance, all these quarterbacks look fantastic,
and we know they're they're not all going to going
to be fantastic too. It looks great, and Zach Wilson
(05:33):
looks great. Zach Wilson is going to have a lot
of rough Sundays in the NFL. So it's very hard
for me to really judge anybody. But I've always said
it's easier to spot bad or struggling than it is
to spot very good. You can be fooled with very good.
Trey Lance isn't ready to play. Garoppolo's accuracy remains an issue,
(05:56):
and I just think a little less of the Niners
today because of it. Tyler Donne in about five minutes. Alright.
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he was retiring. I thought it was inarguably a bad move,
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It's absolutely worth it. So let's start with this before
we get into the Packers. The Jets were in town.
Zack Wilson, So Jordan loves not plan Aaron Rodgers not planning, Uh,
Zack Wilson, Now we got two starts, and you know
it's funny, Tyler. We we do kind of know. It's
(09:34):
the Sean McVeigh effect. A lot of these coaches are
not only refusing to play starters, they're going to the
third string at the start of the second quarter. So
every quarterback except maybe Trey Lance, who's got like, you know,
one start in two years, has looked magnificent. So let's
(09:54):
preface it with this is a weird cultural change in
the NFL where outside of Belichicks, only nobody's playing starters
and fewer playing big time backups. But what did you
take from Zach Wilson? What did you hear? What did
you see? After we're your thoughts on it? I mean,
I guess I saw what everybody else saw in that game, right.
(10:15):
He looked really good. He looked like a quarterback going
through his progressions and the ball was coming out fast.
He was hitting Corey Davis. That's something that they hope
to see when the game's count. And then talking to
his coaches at b y U, they made a point
to say, this isn't Johnny Manzel, like Johnny Manzel in college. Like, look,
he made a lot of magnificent plays he ran around.
(10:36):
He created. There's a lot of improvisation, but in retrospect
it was a lot of the chicken with his head
cut off kind of stuff. On offense. They they really
said that this is a quarterback who did that kind
of stuff like within the offense, within a plan that
he literally was looking at film with them up to
games and saying, all right, end of the first half,
(10:57):
they're gonna be in this defense the backside say he's
gonna do this. If I roll to the right, I'm
gonna chuck it deep left because there's gonna be a short, slight,
tiny little window there where I can make that play
happen with my arm strength. So he's got some rare talent.
You can see why they took him second overall. Yeah,
I mean the ball comes out quickly. At Marino had it,
Aaron Rodgers had it. There's been quarterbacks you know who
(11:20):
weren't huge stars. Some guys look different when they throw.
He certainly does. Now. The Packers had practices all, you know,
all week with the Jets, had several practices to look
at and you know, the Jets had a really bad week.
They lose their top edge rusher Denzel Min's is not healthy.
They lose his safety at least for the time being.
(11:42):
But did you learn anything about the Packers during that
week against the Jets? Because the fans don't see that,
right we watched games. I'm watching the NFL network. What
did you see during the week week from the Packers
through training camp. I've tried to talk to players. I'm
talking to many sources in Green Bay to get a
sense for how they look. And the sense I get
(12:05):
is that, you know, at least out in the field,
everything kind of picked up where they left off. Granted,
Aaron Rodgers staged something we haven't really seen in quite
some time in my lifetime anyways, where the best player,
the rain and MVP wanted the hell out of there,
as you know, I mean, he wanted out absolutely, and
he was willing to retire. I think up to that
Friday he's telling the truth. He was willing to leave
(12:27):
the team and he's back, but there's still a lot
of bad blood there. I think we could see drama
at some point this season. I think he's gone after
this season. I think Green they should have traded him,
taking their picks, taking their players and just moved on,
but in this last dance kind of run. Everything I
hear is there's no problems leaving the locker. I got
(12:50):
into this discussion the other day, Um, you know psychology
one oh one about Aaron Rodgers with a friend, and
you know he's he's in the NFL. He's not high ranking,
but he's got a good sense of the league, and
it's kind of projecting. Aaron almost feels like he wants
everybody to know that he doesn't need football. He's above it. Um,
(13:15):
I could do Jeopardy. I like music, I like travel.
I've got enough money. Um. By the way, he's had
issues with his family. Their their criticism has been he's
sort of acts like he's above us. I think when
Aaron comes out and says it's fifty fifty tightler, I
thought it. I think it shrinks the market. My friend
(13:36):
said this, He said, listen, man, football's hard, Like what
general manager is going to roll the dice even with Aaron.
I mean, Derek Carr's less talented, but he's also cheaper
and he's one hundred percent in. I thought that comment
from Aaron that you know, I'm fifty fifty, I'm into it.
(14:00):
A green Bay, which is well run. He's fifty fifty.
If you go to Denver and yet and you have
some injuries on the offensive line, do I have you?
Are you there? Are you? Are you a baller or
you a Baylor? Were you surprised at all that he
went public with a fifty fifty comments. I'm surprised that
(14:21):
he went public with it. But this is who Aaron
Rodgers has always been. I mean, this goes back to,
you know, early in his career. I mean, those problems
with Mike McCarthy. It started back when he was went
in Super Bowl, the dust super Bowl, and when in
his first MVP he didn't respect his head coach and
behind the scenes he was trashing his head coach. He's
(14:41):
telling people close to him like he's sending in the
wrong place, he's sending in the wrong formations. You know,
he's you know, taking all this credit when I really
should be getting all the credit for running the show.
Maybe he's right, but this is the kind of stuff
that's been percolating for a while. I think he reached
the point in his career, in his life. Read his
doesn't give a damn, He doesn't care. He thinks he
(15:02):
is above it. To your point, Collen, I think that
he believes I'm a three time m v p um.
You know, if people can take it or leave it.
But this is how I feel, and it is I
will say, it's nice to kind of see the truth
come out a little bit. People are seeing the real
Aaron Rodgers here, and it's somebody who holds a grudge
unlike anybody I've ever covered in professional sports. As you noted,
(15:24):
I mean, he has cut family out, he has cut friends,
his best friends out. I mean, and I've I've reported
on it. I mean, look when his best friends doesn't
show up to the wedding and this friends and find
out there right before um grandfather's funeral who he used
to be really close with doesn't go to that sense
of the Christmas presents back. This is all back in.
All the bad blood is still there with people close
(15:45):
to him. So that if that's who you are in
your personal life, I mean, hey, you can't completely compartmentalize
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when I used to criticize him seven years ago, and
I got a lot of heat from Green Bay media,
and I knew my sources were good, so I didn't
doubt it, and so I would, you know, um, And
it was nothing against Bob McGinn and people who had
(20:13):
been there forever. But I knew they had to know
what I know because I was. I had it from
an agent, I had it from a somebody on the team,
a player. I had it somebody that was formerly a
coach on the team and left, and they're like, he's
a pain in the ass, and he's he's he's really,
you know, he's difficult to coach. But there is something
(20:34):
to be said that when you his overall theme Aaron's
overall theme is I don't need anybody. I don't need
my family, I don't need football, I don't need And
that's that's projecting like that. There there is some inner
conflict with Aaron Rodgers, and I don't have any interest guessing,
(20:54):
but you picked up on it six or seven years ago.
I also think he's so talented. It's almost when he
hangs out with Hollywood celebrities, it almost makes sense. It's
very Hollywood. He's the difficult brooding actor. He's he's Brando,
where you know, he's just a sensational talent. And because
of that, he doesn't have to memorize his lines like Brando.
(21:14):
Like he he can be difficult. I mean, when would
you get players to regularly talk about it off the
record with you six seven years ago? Not so much
six seven years ago. You know, when I was on
the beat at the Journal Sentinel, it was almost kind
of like body language and reading between the lines, because
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a teammate in that locker room, they're not gonna just
come out and in trash league, MVP a quarterback, somebody
who's gonna make them a lot of money, somebody who's
gonna win a lot of games. But you could kind
of tell that, you know, in terms of those those
relationships in the building, in the locker room, you know,
it's not necessarily as tight as maybe it was between
(21:56):
Bret Barvin and his teammates where they're they're gonna run
through a wall for the guy. I don't those bonds
were as strong, and I think it kind of happened
over time when you know a lot of those veterans
that were on the team started to leave. He's kind
of the oldest guy in the room. You know, he's
old enough to be people's father's and at this point
that locker room, I don't know if he can relate
to a lot of guys on that level. But you know,
(22:18):
to your point, I think that, yeah, he he just
looks at it as is this person going to help
me get to where I want to get in terms
of all time greatness being a special transcendent talent. And
if you don't fit into that calculation in his mind,
then see you, Like if if you piss him up,
see you. And he just has this narrow focus that
(22:41):
a lot of the greats have, right And if you're
the Packers, you're gonna put up with a certain amount
of this to a degree, because he's so good, because
he's so talented, you you're gonna put up with the drum,
and you're gonna put up with him calling you Jerry
Krauss and all the text messages. I just thought that
this offseason push kind of came to shove. If I'm
Green Bay and Trey Lance, who's on our TV right now,
he's patching three? First, what are you getting for Aaron Rodgers?
(23:03):
Is it really worth it for one more year with
somebody who's fifty who if things go south, what's gonna
happen with him? Play to play? Um, I get it.
You know, you weren't win a super Bowl. It's all
about one in a super Bowl. But it doesn't seem
worth it to me, especially with somebody's one and four
in the NFC Championship game and there's only one one
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super Bowl. You know. I think, just in life, if
if you feel you're committed and you're not getting the
support or you're better than the surrounding people, there's a
protective mechanism that people use that. Okay, I don't I
don't give a sh it either. And I thought after
the draft when they went to the NFC Championship, were
bullied by the Niners twice that year, and the Chargers
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by the way, and they went and got a quarterback,
a running back that didn't need a blocking tight end.
It was a developmental draft by and large, and I thought, wow,
that hurts. And I think he's always been a brooding figure.
But I thought, I thought after that, it felt like
it went to another stage. It's like, come on, we're
(24:06):
I need playmakers like I need people that helped me.
Russell Wilson had just gotten the year before DK Metcalf.
You know, Brady's asking for and getting, you know, guys
like Leonard for Nett or a right tackle Tristan Worth's.
I maybe you know, um dramatizing this, but I always
felt I feel Errand's difficult. But I thought the draft,
(24:29):
he just said I'm out, Like, okay, I'm not giving
you everything I have. You just went and drafted players
that will have zero impact for two years. That I
really feel and and maybe I'm being hyperbolic, but I
kind of feel that draft changed the entire relationship. Absolutely did.
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I think you nailed it. And this is a quarterback
who is looking for every possible slight out there. I mean,
he's a quarterback who's cording his one on one interviews
with people, who's reading every article about him, who still
remembers being slighted back in high school in college, and
he uses all of this. I mean, I can I'm
really tight with Bob McGinn, who you mentioned. I can
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remember Aaron in the locker room, you know, intercepting Bob
and because he was upset that Bob wrote in a
column once that Aaron knows how to manipulate people in situations,
which turns out to be true. I mean, we're seeing
that very very true. So he's i mean, his intent
is up all the time, so he's you know, very
very ultra sensitive to this. So I mean, there's a
member of the front office who told me a couple
(25:34):
of years ago. It was in the story I wrote
a Bleacher Report that you know, it's kind of strange
that somebody this talented cares this much about all of
that when he's so good, when he really should just
be like Tom Brady and I just gonna say, you know,
screw it, whatever, I'm nothing's gonna bother me him. Aaron
freaking Rogers. But that's a double edged sword. He's gonna
use it, right, So maybe Brian Ludikinsknew. Okay, in draft
(25:57):
Jordan Love, it's gonna piss him off. He's gonna win
m v P and you know, we'll deal with whatever
comes with that. And he took that, but you also
should know it could get to this point where he's
trying to force his way out. I mean, he he
tried to force his way out out of that draft
to your point, and we can debate the merits of
the pick. You know, I think there were signs maybe
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in twenty nineteen, at the end of that that season
that Aaron Rodgers he didn't look that sharp in that
Lions season finale, he didn't um the NFC Championship game,
they get they get blown out. He tells Matt la
Flora halftime. I got it, you know, just told I'm
calling the place from now on. I mean, maybe that
was sprinkled in there and I saw some red flags. Um,
(26:39):
there were there were signs, and okay, you piss him off.
You know what's gonna happen when he plays piste off,
He's gonna play really, really well, And it just got
to this point. Maybe they didn't expect him to take
it this far because it got really messy. Um. By
the way, do you think his relationship now with Matt
Lafleur after the NFC Championship. I mean, again I say this,
(27:02):
I just feel like the handcuffs are off with Aaron.
When he went fifty fifty comment, I thought, I, I've
got to stop being nice, Like that's weird. I can't
even fathom Russell Wilson saying that Peyton managed four neck surgeries.
You could not pull him off the field. It's I
also have a story that I'm going to I will
(27:25):
eventually say it, but I won't say it now because
I have somebody I want to protect. But you know,
Aaron screwed over kind of a legendary quarterback in the
last eighteen months on a charity event sort of no showed. Um,
Aaron Rodgers, you have similar Yes. Yeah, So I I
(27:48):
heard it this weekend and it was from a absolutely
great source. So, you know, I kind of feel like
with Aaron, once you go fifty fifty, I'm gonna I'm
gonna talk about and report on you differently, Like, dude,
you're not You're not in Russell Wilson's class. You're not.
You're not in Brady's like, that's just not leadership. Leadership
(28:08):
is not telling a company your employee base. I may
be with you, I maybe not so. I just wonder
do you think he and La Fleur? How good is
it scale a one to ten? It'll never be ten
with Aaron, it would probably not be never in its
best days? And nine do you think it was dinged
a little after the NFC Championship. Yes, and and just
(28:30):
before I forget to you, you're right on with I
think it's kind of like that victim mentality. When you
say I don't have a victim mentality, you're playing the
victim Carter. I mean, that's really what what he did.
I mean in so many different ways during that press conference, um,
which which you would never see a Tom Brady and
Russell Wilson. You're right, he went on a diet tribe
for like twenty minutes. Yeah, it was ridiculous. Um. You
(28:55):
know the relationship with Matt Lafloor. I was told by
multiplayers he just to tolerates Matt Lacloor. You know, I
don't think it's nearly as great as many in the
local media would lead you to believe you know, what's
Matt Lore gonna say at the podium, like, of of
course he's gonna say nothing but gushing gushing things about
Aaron Rodgers, Like I think it's fine. I think it's okay.
(29:17):
I think Aaron Rodgers is at a point where, similar
to Mike McCarthy, he's gonna do what he wants at
the line of the scrimmage. That that's what he's doing.
I mean, Matt with Flor has his offense, but Aaron
Rodgers has his offense. Mark Weisvelda Scanlon Tony on the record,
I did a profile within this offseason, like there's two
playbooks in Green Bay. There's Matt with there's Aaron Rodgers
and Aaron Rodgers. He might audible to a play from
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when you were in high school. He's done that for
some guys. I don't know what he's talking about. Um. Also,
it's a reasoning one m v P. I mean, his
his his memory is insane. There's nobody like it. But
I do think, you know, it's a fine relationship. I
think the relationship that he really does cherishes with Nate Hackett,
the offensive coordinator. It's kind of described to me almost
(30:02):
like a lovey dovey kind of relationship, like it's they're
really really close in the meetings. I mean they're really tight.
So that that's good floor good a kins. You know.
I don't think that's ever going to be repaired. I
think that's that's done. That's dead. And uh, I still
think he's gone after the season. I think they're kind
of playing out the string right now. I was in
(30:24):
Vegas this weekend and I had a security guard that
was taking me, you know, from place to place, which
is sometimes happens when I'm at events. And he was
a Packer fan and he was like a season ticket holder,
and he said, far Vin Rogers, like, what's in the water.
He goes, explain to me, why we get the guys
(30:45):
that threatened retirement, We get these guys that hate the
front office. And the only thing I could muster was, well,
there's no other team in town. It's almost a high
school town more than a college town. It's so small,
and the players are, to I degree, trapped, and so
there's a little bit of an angst being a Packer
quarterback because you don't have a normal life if you quarterback,
(31:06):
even in a city like Detroit with multiple proteins. You
go about in the bourbs, you can hide. So there
is sort of this Messiah complex in Green Bay where
you are the economy, not just the quarterback. You are
the economy. And it is weird if I told you
in the last twenty years there's two quarterbacks that basically
(31:27):
threatened retirement, were very difficult and despite the fact they
had a really good organization that drafted, well, we're perpetually
unhappy within their organization. And it would be one team,
it would be the Green Bay Packers. Do you have
a theory on kind of far Van Rodgers, because I've
said this, Aaron's becoming Brett going public too much. I'm
(31:52):
half in, I'm half out. I've got my own playbook.
You mentioned that, so did Farv Like what is the
psycho pology when you were at the Milwaukee Journal, Like
roll it out there because when the when the guy
asked me over the weekend, that's the best I could
come up with. And it is funny because that's what
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he despised early in his career, and Rodgers hated it.
He hated how Brett farve got special treatment, how Brett
Farvee had his own blocker was separate from the other guys.
Like when Aaron Rodgers was the backup, he was he
was one of the guys. I was an intern green
Bay back in oh six, oh seven, you know, still
in college, and it's one of the cover of the team,
lived out of out of a hotel, working for the
(32:34):
Shawn Oh Leader, I think. And I talked to Aaron
Rodgers all the time, and you could just see he
was more down to earth. He was one of the guys.
I mean a lot of the younger players on that
team gravitated to Aaron Rodgers, like Brett Farbes, missing O,
t A s. Stuff like that. It was Aaron Rodgers.
And like the fact that Brett Farve was seeking special
treatment and got that special treatment. Um, and then he
(32:56):
became what he just buis like I said, I mean,
he became that over time. And I think a lot
of it does have to do with the town. And
trust me, I lived in Green Bay for five years.
I freaking loved it. I couldn't lived there my whole life,
friends for life there. The people are amazing. You know,
I don't know what he's talking about. Trash and as
a vacation spot man, you gotta get the Door County.
It's beautiful up there, the bluff, unreal, unreal place to live.
(33:20):
But I'll say there was my ex girlfriend. I remember
one time we went to the movies and, uh, what
was the one with Jake Gillett Hall. I can't remember
the name, but the only people at this movie were me,
my ex girlfriend, Aaron Rodgers, Seneca Wallas, and Seneca walls
Is wife. I think nobody else even there. I mean
(33:40):
there's Green Baye and Nutshell like night out that that's
what he's doing. I think that lifestyle kind of gets
old after a while, right, you can only have so
many steak dinners at at Shives and Swamako. You know,
he's gone through the celebrity girl friends, he's gone through
that lifestyle. He surrounds himself with celebrities. He wants that lifestyle.
You're not gonna get it in was Johnson. When you
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uh talk to people now, obviously now you have a
you're on the subscription world, not not the newspaper space.
But when you talk to those guys and and I
don't know how chummy or friendly you guys are, I
mean it's a competitive space. There's a lot of guys
out there. The Packers are a national brand. But um,
there there does reach a point where, I mean, people
(34:26):
just get tired of people, no matter how beautiful they are,
how attractive they are. Do you think we crossed there's
been a tipping point? The fifty fifty line to me
was that that that the fans there are now more
tolerating Errand than loving him, and the media is similarly
understands this is who he is. Everybody kind of wants
(34:49):
it to end now. Media fans say, um, in terms
of media, you know there are some Tom Silberstein number one,
it was my cowork fantastic job. Still, I mean, he's
unbelievably objective media wise. I mean that he's I don't
think they're tired of him. I think there's some really
close relationships there. Um and that you know, the coverage
(35:13):
is often with with a few and I'm not gonna
lump everybody together. Like I said, there's some people who
do a fantastic job through this all was very pro twelve.
He's very good at cultivating those relationships. I think that
he wasn't expecting when that report went out. Yea, who
sports Charles Robinson? He wants Brian glue conspired. I don't
(35:34):
think he expected it to be whatever seventy three Pro team,
you know. I think people like Aaron you know, there's
the door, don't let it hit you on the way up,
and people reaching out to me left and right, center,
d MS apologizing that they were contraction me a couple
of years ago that Bleacher Reports story and uh, it's anecdotal,
but yeah, a lot of people came out of the
woodworks like we're seeing it now. I'm sick this guy
(35:56):
like are you in? Are you out? Bent Farve wanted
back in, Aaron Rodgers wanted out. So I think a
lot of fans were, Okay, enough is enough. But now
that he's back and he's really really good and he's
throwing touchdowns at lambeau Field, they're going to root for him.
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be booing Aaron Rodgers at any point this season. But
(36:16):
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a complicated fellow. He is who he is. He's not
going to change. This is probably it. And there was
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the AD Council. The You know their draft, they got
a Marii Rodgers as a slot receiver. Um who Randall
Cobb was about seven years ago? So I think he'll
play um this morning? If I asked you, Um, I
mean I've watched every team play in preseason. Uh, Baltimore
Buffalo look as good as anybody Green bas fine, They're good. Um.
(38:26):
I mean you obviously can't play Jordan's Love during the season.
It won't sit well with Aaron. You can't do a
Trey Lance garoppolo, or you just can't do it. It's
just it's just or guden Kent's will be personing on
Grota beyond what he is now. But I would say this,
you just said something. You said Aaron is really good
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at creating relationships with members of the media to get
his message out. Have you found in the last year
that guden Kunst behind the scenes has been developed relationships
to get his message out or does that? Is that
not the way he operates? See that at all? And
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to his he probably should play that game a little
bit more. Somebody with the team should play that. They
don't talk to anybody really in terms of the power brokers,
I really don't think so. You know, I think that
they as much as Aaron Rodgers is the one saying
that there's wisdom and silence, and you know he wanted
this to all be behind closed doors. I don't think
the Packers are sabotaging themselves here. Are the Packers really
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the day of the draft, you know, telling Adam Schefter
and Am Schefter is amazing. I mean, I consider Brandy,
I don't know who we talked to. Are the Packers though?
Are they telling everybody what's going on behind closed doors
to trash themselves like they don't leak anything? Um, they don't.
They don't talk. That's how it's been for a while now.
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Back to Ted Thompson, So I think a lot of
that does come from the Rogers camp and trying to
get it, you know, really get a message out getting
aired about you know, the whole the no weapons thing.
I mean, you know, we we can debate that, but
that was that was a storyline. When we're talking about
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who's around Rodgers and the fact that they don't give
him weapons, we're not talking about Aaron Rodgers not selling
out at the goal line on third goal and dropping
the floor in the end of the championship game. I
think he was really smart right after that game to
put his own future into jeopardy, and he shocked the floor.
He shocked the packet. They weren't expecting him to just
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drop that bomb the night of that loss, because he
knew by doing that, we're talking about his future. Your shoe,
you're talking about his future the next day. Probably no,
it's it's it's a great point, Tyler, that that was
a huge play that he he could have gone either way.
And again he's smart enough to talk about his future
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after that game and it's a fire bomb. And so
and I remember the next day, what did I talk
about that comment? I didn't talk about that play. So
there was the fleur called, there was the Aaron judgment.
There were the coach and the quarterback deserved a lot
of heat and the coach got all of it. And
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that's another way of Aaron. I think you know again
when Bob McGinn, a Hall of Fame writer, said, fifteen
years ago or thirteen years ago, Aaron manipulates people. He
spotted it early. Listen. Next years, Cap hit his forty
six million and Jordan loves his three million. We're not
stupid here, Green Bay would ideally now now when Aaron
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leaves next year, if he does, it's it's a twenty
million dollar hit or thereabouts. But the bottom line is
if you could save twenty two million dollars with Jordan's love,
that's three players. I mean that that that is an
edge rusher, that is a that's another receiver, that's a
number three or number two corner. Um. So I mean
I I think the writing is on the wall. Back
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to your first point, which is we all kind of
know this is a one and done. I do want
to talk about, um a couple of things that are
interesting in your pur view, because you also have good
contacts with the Bears, and that's the primary rival in
that division. Mitch Trabinsky, by the way, looked great for
Buffalo and uh, the Andy DULs Andy Dalton situation is
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a bit of a mess because the offensive lines in
a total rebuild. I blame Ryan Pace the GM who. Um.
I have two people in Chicago who I lean in,
two reporters I lean on, and both just just don't
think he's terribly smart. They really don't they. I mean,
if you go look at their draft picks, there's a
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lot of Missus Trabinsky being the primary one. Um when
you were when you cover a Packers Bears game, you
have all sorts of people that cover Chicago that you
know as well. Um, I've always been a fan of
Matt Nagee, but boy, when you watch Buffalo play Chicago,
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Buffalo was simply more crisp. They're more efficient. Um, how
much of the Chicago mess is Matt Naggie, I think plenty.
I think that he doesn't really seem to have his
figure in the pulse of the position we really thought
he did. Even obviously Cherbinsky is I'm mistake. I mean,
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it goes without saying, but to pull him when they
did last season kind of strange, kind of early, and
then to ride out in Nick Foles as long as
they did. When you know, getting the ball past midfield
was an odyssey for this offense And the only reason
they go back to Drabinsky is because Boles gets hurt,
they sneak into the playoffs, they keep their jobs. It
was just a bizarre, strange year, and I think that's
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why they had the off season they had, and I
tried to really get to the bottom of their their
hunt for a quarterback this offseason between him and Ryan Pace.
I mean, they knew they were lucky to have their jobs,
like you know, wins over what Houston and Jacksonville save
their jobs, and they knew they had to get a quarterback,
and they tried everything. I mean, they really thought they
were gonna have a shot at Watson. They really Ben
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Roethlisberger was in the picture. Somebody told me they probably
placed the call the Packers for Aaron Rodgers. They're trying
everything and Russell Wilson. They really thought they had that
deal done, like that was close. They didn't get Russell Wilson,
so they end up with Justin Fields. In a roundabout way,
signing Dalton allows them to not get you know, hit
(44:34):
up too bad for draft picks when they had to
move up to take Fields because they can kind of
sell Dalton to an extent better than you can sell Foals. Um.
But trust me, they tried everybody, the stop scene and everybody. Um,
what is your gut feeling. I do think Dalton will
start the first week. I think there's been a promise
made behind the scenes. In fact, somebody I know that
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is a pretty He's close to the organization. He's He's
told me in a couple occasions there's kind of a handshake, agreement,
kind of an understand understanding. Dalton starts in week one.
That's that's my take. UM, if I said to you,
when does Justin Fields play when it would be your guest,
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I've heard similar things to that Andy Dalton when you
heard it from him too. But you are what you are.
We all saw that performance against Buffalo. It was it
was ugly. I mean, this is what Andy Dalton is.
At this point. I think he probably starts and loses,
you know, a game, two games, and they have no
choice but to go to Justin Fields. I don't see
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how you can just roll with Andy Dalton for for
too long. When you take a Justin Fields and everybody
in the city wants him to play. People in the
locker room. Are gonna want him to play, you know,
and as you know, I mean that that's really who
you're trying to win over teammates in the locker. If
you can get veterans to believe that Justin Fields is
the answer quarterback, I think that's probably when they make
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the move. And if Andy Dalton goes out there throws
a couple of picks, looks like the same player we've seen.
No good, never great. You have to take a shot
at great. All right, Tyler, it's great talking to you. Uh,
let's let's go back to watching the second half of
the Chargers and the forty Niners. And thanks for coming on.
Thanks so much for having me, Colin. Great to see Himan.
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