August 22, 2021 • 46 mins
The best of The Colin Cowherd Podcast, with highlights from the live episode recorded prior to WWE's SummerSlam in Las Vegas. Colin rants on why he might never talk about Tim Tebow again (:25), and which rookie QB is most likely to win a playoff game this year (4:38). Aqib Talib on why Cam Newton should be the starter in New England over Mac Jones (12:45). Dave Wannstedt on why Justin Fields needs to pump the brakes in Chicago (21:55). Plus, Triple H on his possible return to the ring against The Rock (28:15).
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the Basket, The Colin Coward Podcast. Some great guests this week.
We're giving you all the highlights, but first my takes
of the week that was. People not in the media
often like to lecture me on how to do media.
I mean, I didn't tell my doctor how to do
my proctology exam. I don't tell a landscaper how to landscape.
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I don't walk into a restaurant and tell the cook
how to cook. They like to say, why do you
waste your time on Tebow? And I like to respond,
why do you waste your time asking me, I talked
Tebow because he's newsworthy. No, he's not there. You go
lecturing again. We have a handful of people in news
who whenever they do anything, we talk about it. Athletes, politicians,
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TV stars, singers, and when they do something big like
return to the NFL. Reunite with your legendary college coach
who's now coaching in the NFL. Yeah, that's what we
call newsworthy. Listen, when Kanye West said he was running
for president and starting an actual campaign, we're going to
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talk about it because we look at the Google numbers
and you're interested. Jake Paul YouTuber, I'm gonna fight. Then
he keeps winning fights, and then his pay per view
numbers are substantial. That tells us that you're interested. Before
Donald Trump ran for president, he was newsworthy. Divorces, controversies, bankruptcies, successes.
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He wasn't newsworthy, all you conservatives. If it wasn't for
the media talking about a candidate nobody gave a shot to,
he wouldn't have been president. Do you know that in
twenty nineteen, the most google person was an athlete. No,
it wasn't Tom Brady or Tiger Woods. It was Antonio Brown.
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When people say Tebow's not going to be a super
important player, it's not always the best or most important
player that you find newsworthy in the most googled person
was an athlete. It wasn't Lebron or Roger Federer, it
was lamar Odom. You made him Newsworthy. Newsworthiness is a business,
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and there are a handful of people out there that
drive interest. Virtually nobody can name the fourth tight end
on the Jaguar's depth chart. Most people can only name
a handful of people on the entire Jack's roster. We
all know Tebow because he's interesting. Don't blame me for
talking about him. Blame him. If Tebow had more self
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awareness and understood that, you know, leaving a sport for
nearly a decade and then coming back to try a
new position is really kind of silly. I wouldn't have
talked about him. I was done talking about him. In fact,
years ago, at the end of his NFL career, I
said he probably should go give the CFL a try.
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He really fits that style. I was told. Tebow laughed
at such a suggestion. Don't kid yourself. This is business
and this is ego. He's a human being, humble at times,
very much driven by the brand of Tebow, which pays
him well other times. Listen, the only reason you're upset
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that I talked Tebow because you don't like the way
it ended. People always say that I don't like you
talking Tebow. Let me ask you if he'd have made
the team. Should I have ignored it? Hm hmm, interesting, Colin,
stick to sports. I always hear that from conservatives because
I tend to kind of lean left on social issues.
Stick to sports. And then once I put Will Kine
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on my podcast, I got nothing but credit. Tip of
the cap. My man loved that podcast. You like politics
from me when you agree with them. I talked Tebow
because I find him interesting. I was done talking Tim Tebow.
If Tim Tebow never tries to be a pro athlete again,
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I don't think I'll ever talk about him. But he's
interested sometimes in himself and his impractical dreams. When he
wants to stop, I'll stop. I watched every single NFL
preseason game, and let's just go into the quarterbacks, because
that's what most of us were drawn to the quarterbacks.
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So for the sake of this rant, let's include Jordan's
love in the rookie quarterbacks, Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Trevor
Lawrence Sack, Wilson, Mac Jones, and Jordan loves Since he
didn't dress last year, I thought of those six five
had moments of brilliance and mac Jones maybe in the
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perfect situation. I don't think he has a terribly highest ceiling,
but New England's not going to ask him to do
things that the Bears are going to ask Justin Fields
to do behind a fairly patchwork offensive line. They just
brought in Jason Peters, So let's let's start with Justin Fields.
UM six sizes, fine, arms, excellent. I think you're gonna
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see without offensive line and really limited skill people after
Alan Robinson, you know, it's a bunch of emerging young
wide receiver talent. Cole Commits a very good young tight end,
but he's a young tight end. They have one running
back who got dinged up. They don't have a ton
of depth at the skilled positions, so they're gonna lean
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on Justin Fields a lot. A source I trust told
me that he struggled this first couple of weeks in camp,
but over the last week it's really come around. He's
a kid that because he didn't have a lot of weapons,
not a lot of receivers can get themselves open. He's
gonna look down field and if the first or second
option isn't there, he's gonna flush out to the right
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and run a lot. The good news is he'll make
a lot of place a lot of plays. He looked
a little nervous early, but he's a huge talent and
I think he's going to start Game one. Trey Lance.
I thought he looked as good as any of them.
Not a shock. He's got arguably the best offensive coach
and the best roster. Uh. That's something we have to
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add context to this stuff. I mean, I watched Jacksonville
play Cleveland. Does Jacksonville have two starters that would start
for Cleveland? Does Jacksonville have five starters on their second
team that would start for Cleveland. I mean that's just
a total physical mismatch in some of these games. So,
Tray Lance, the Niners have a super bowl roster and
a super Bowl coach. How thought Trey look great? Um.
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I also think that offense is complex. He'll continue to grow.
I think Garoppolo starts the season. He has a very
lively arm, super athletic, great size. I think, you know,
he is the one quarterback that I think has a
chance to advance in his first year. In the playoffs,
Trey Lance could be the starting quarterback end of this
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year and win a playoff game, largely because of what's
around him. Listen, Veteran quarterbacks need help. Young quarterbacks need
more help. But I think Trey Lance is in a
perfect situation. He's got playmakers all over the place. Brandon,
I you kittle, Trevor Lawrence made two great throws. Um,
it's a bad team. It's a complete, utter gut job.
It is a remodel, it's a rehab. He made two
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great throws against a far superior roster. Cleveland's got a
top three roster in the NFL. JAG's gonna bottom two roster.
I don't know what to take of it. He looked comfortable.
He made a great throw up the sideline. There's not
a lot I can say. I think he's gonna win
about six games. Urban Meyer needs one more draft and
one more free agency period to really compete on an
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even playing field. Zack Wilson, as we suspected, very lively
arm and moves well. He does look small. I think
he has the fourth best coach in his division. There
have been some comparisons made to Aaron Rodgers in the
way the ball comes out of his hand. It's very lively. Um,
it looks beautiful as I've said he's a little small
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for me. He's got the worst roster, probably the fourth
best coach in a division. You can just put down
Owen four against the Patriots, and the bi Ols just
put over on four to probably Owen six. If you
put in the Dolphins, he is going to be fighting uphill.
Of all the rookie quarterbacks, I think he has the
worst spot. I love Joe Douglas, but listen, the kid
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made a couple of really quick, clever throws. And I
will say this, this team is not breaft of talent
the offensive line. They have a very good left tackle,
um Elijah Vera Tucker. I mean they've got some talent here.
I mean Donald was pressured on forty two of the
snaps last year. That is just from a franchise standpoint, embarrassing.
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So between Beckton and Elijah Vera Tucker, the Jets are
in far better shape upfront. Mac Jones low ceiling, not
a playmaker. He is not the ideal quarterback for two
NFL football. But I said this on TV last week.
The Patriots do not have the kind of offensive talent
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that can overcome turnovers. And I could very easily see
that franchise and that coaching staff talking themselves into Mac
Jones and occasionally bringing in packages for Cam Newton near
the goal line. Matt Jones can get you out of trouble,
the line of scrimmage, can get you into the right formation. Uh.
He's a more accurate thrower, good feet, steady, you know,
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throws a nice deep ball. Doesn't have a huge arm.
But again, you know what New England's gonna look like
this year. They're gonna look like the Miami Dolphins last year. Now,
the Dolphins this year have added Jalen Waddle Will Fuller,
so they're gonna have a lot more speed and punch
on the perimeter. New England is gonna look a lot
like Miami last year with twa playing they went ten
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and six. Two went six and three with with below
average quarterback play, but great coaching, great defense, good special teams.
The differences. New England has maybe the best screen game
in the NFL, next to San Francisco, and all sorts
of depth at running back. So you know the interesting
thing about this, If you told me at the end
of the year, Mac Jones and Trey Lance were the
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winningest of these quarterbacks, that would make a lot of
sense to me, even though I think mac Jones has
an incredibly low ceiling. And then Jordan's love he got
dinged up. I saw about five minutes of Jordan's love.
He is the quarterback I saw the least of. He
had a lively arm, he looked in control, he looked comfortable.
I thought he played well. You know, he's in the
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most unique position of all these quarterbacks. The fans aren't
crying out for him. He's got a really good team.
There's no urgency on his improvement. That's a really comfortable
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Restriction supply a keep to lead the five time pro
bowler in the Super Bowl winner. Most people think matt
Stafford and Sean McVeigh will work, do you? I think
they will, just cause just because they both vetted. They
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both they both got that common goal. Man. They both
like right at that point where you know, we gotta win.
They both at that we gotta wins parts. So I
think they're both gonna kind of put the ego to
the side a little bit so they can so they
can get that done. Man. And Matthew Stafford been through
it all. He's talented and you know, he played a
lot of football. He'd be like a coach on the field.
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That's what Sean, That's what he explained to me. He said,
you say coach on the field, but this situation you
really really almost got like a coach on the field. Man.
That's that's how well he knows schemes and he knows defenses,
he know pre snap stuff. So I think it will work. Man.
I think that'd be good. And then they got a
they got a badass defense to play with two man
that always helps. Well, Yeah, you're not in shootouts every week,
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right like he was in Detroit. Now you faced him?
How many times Matt Stafford in your career? Because you
did a lot of a F C stuff, so you
probably didn't face him a ton. I think I faced
him twice. I think I'm faced me. You know, I
think twice. I said twice, how did you do? Oh solid?
I mean the first time, I think he threw a
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bunch of deep ball to Calvin Man. I got a
lot of safety health. It was jump balls me and Calvin.
Calvin had two touchdowns that game. One was in two
man our safety leaning into the tight end, uh, pedigrew
when we got Calvin Johnson over here. Don't lean in
the pedigrew when Calvin Johnson is over here with me, right.
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And then it was a hitching goal too, so you know,
not all the way my fault that was like twenty
yards and one was the hurry up, the hurry up
quick face. That's on the highlight everytime you see highlights.
I'm I'm on, I'm on his highlight. Take on Calvin Johnson.
Howlight tire. But he only had sixty six yards sixty
six yards two touchdown. The second game he has zero touchdowns,
he has seventy some yards. I followed him. I followed
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him left to write both games, so I fair pretty well.
And then the first game when he had two touchdowns
sixty six yards, I had an interception for a touchdown.
So I just wanted to touchdowns with you. Now, Stanford Stafford,
unlike golf, he'll let it loose. He'll take some chances.
You sense that, Oh definitely, Oh definitely. I played against
him twice and both times a few times I had
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some great coverage and I ain't no slots on the
deep balls. People don't just throw me deep balls, right Cott,
And I never really just got balls just thrown up
to me, right Matt Stafford did. He did when I
was in Tampa. He did when I was when I
was in Denver. You know, I'm saying, I think that
was the everyone in the Super Bowl too, So this
was this was lead lead what I'm saying that he
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threw balls that way, man, So he's gonna let it go,
tight windows and everything, he's gonna let it go. So
it's hard to say who's good who's not. Um, you know,
my my takeaway is, let's talk Mac Jones on Thursday night.
So if you were Belichick and you know him, you
were there for years, right, they can make two arguments.
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They can make the argument that we don't have a
ton of playmakers. We need a playmaker at quarterback. Cam
will give us something Mac won't. Or they can make
this argument as a staff of key Okay, we're not
talented enough offensively to turn the ball over, right, Okay,
Mac Jones more accurate, Um gets the ball out quickly,
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not gonna run around. You know, Cam last year had picks,
he has fumbles. They can make two compelling arguments, we
need Cams playmaking or you know what, we want a
guy that just delivers the ball, distributes, get us in
and out of trouble and then let's our defense win.
Your gut feeling on which way Belichick you're around him,
which way he'd go? I definitely think he'd go count
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just because I think Bill is big on leadership, right,
and you know, man, who's gonna who's gonna be the
best leader in that huttle? And that's about far Cam.
So I think Bill think even though mc donk might
be more accurate, he might be you know, slower to
throw something in the track. Thinking he throw the check
down quicker than Camp. You might try not. I ain't
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gonna miss this thing up. I might not make no place.
I might not. Ain't gonna miss his name up though.
You know he's gonna get that. But who's gonna be
the best leader in his huddle? You know what I'm saying?
When things get tough? Who gonna keep the guys together?
Who gonna you know, rather the troops when when fourth quarter?
When when they need to be rallied? And you gotta
say that's Camp. Are you surprised Cam struggled most of
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last year though? But are you surprised that the patriot
culture and Cam have worked? Because by and large he
compliments it, Belichick compliments him. There's been no rough spots.
I mean last year he got COVID in the middle
of the year, so I kind of get my pass.
At the end of the year, I thought he played
pretty well. Are you kind of surprised at well? I am.
I'm surprised it works, um Me being there, I'm not
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surprised it worked because Cam is a leader. Like I said,
he a great leader, and you're not gonna out work
here one of them guys like I might be Hollywood.
I might dressed like this, but he worked hell of
hard like Odell. He one of those kind of guys.
May you not gonna match stay work and ship like
that that Bill Respect. You're a leader and you work
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like that. You're competitive like that. You you bow down
to nobody. I compete against anybody, any whatever, no matter
whom I received you. Let's go Bill respect that man
So and cam different man. I'm telling you that leadership
he got is Yes, you got leaders. Then you've got
guys like cam So the top nots and leader man.
He's gonna bring guys all the way together. So Bill Field,
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that in the building. So here, here we go into
another season. Give me your a f C NFC championship.
Let's put it on tape. I'm gonna go I like um.
I like Buffalo a lot. I'm gonna It's not that
I don't like Kansas City. They're everybody's favorite. I think Buffalo.
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I think Baltimore is gonna be a handful. I think
Cleveland's gonna be a handful. I think the Chargers are
gonna surprise people. You know what not gonna be Buffalo
Kansas City because it's never the teams. We think, right,
So you're gonna go outside the box. I'm gonna go
crazy here, Chargers, Bills throw me out. What do you got? Look? Uh,
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anc Chip, I'm gonna go Chiefs Brown's. I got no
problem with it. Chiefs Brown's Odell Beckham comes back, great
offensive line. Baker, he finally has a legitimate head coach.
K NFC. They got the pieces to play Joe Wood's defense.
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Joe Wood's super super super similar to Wave Phillips. You see,
he went and got he win and got Comar John Johnson, Camaro, Troy.
He just got some bodies in his secondary and got
some more cover guys Camarre and newsom here man guy Camarre.
He got guys who really hit the description of that
Joe Wood defense. I think that defense gonna be totally
different this year. Let's to the NFC. UM, you have
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to take Tampa simply because they have the best roster.
Seattle is not a complete team. I my my gut
feeling is when cam Akers got hurt, the Rams are
missing a leg on the bar stool. They just don't
have a running game. I'll probably go Seattle. Tampa is
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my guest. I don't think Seattle is a complete team.
I still have questions on the interior of the offensive line,
but I do think, you know, I do think Russell
Wilson just wins so many close games. I'd go Seattle Tampa.
What would be your call, Seattle Tampa. H Let get
outside the box a little bit, man, I'm gonna go.
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I like that with I think somebody definitely got to
represent in the West. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Tampa, Arizona.
I like Arizona to catch fire, man, And you know,
you know, it's funny last two year years as they
were in a rebuild, Arizona is given the Seahawks, the
Rams and the Niners fits in a total rebuild. They
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know how to play them guys. So so as okay,
as coach has been over there, right, he went, he's
doing good in the division, So you know how to
play his division. And that's that's the most important thing. Man,
Everything come around one year, you would catch fire. As
long as you know how to win in your division,
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you're you're in good shape. And that's what he's doing. Yeah.
I also think that division could largely be dictated by
who's healthiest. But the healthy team they just win. I
mean it's it's you know, if if Garoppolo goes down
early and Trade has got to play, that's not ideal. Right.
If Dwayne Brown got hurt left tackle for Seattle, that's
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a battle line overnight, exactly, all right. Dave Wonstat, former
coach of the Bears and Dolphins, Dallas defensive coordinator for
the Super Bowl win. So if they are going to
become a power offense, yep, you would go with Justin
Fields to start game one. Um, No, I would not.
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I would start Dalton for this reason. And I when
I was at practice, Andy Dalton throws a simple little
curl route and I'm standing there in the sidelines. There's
probably five hundred thousand people of practice. Nobody moves five
plays later Justin Fields because in there and throws the
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same play, same receiver, he catches it. A thousand people
are under feet screaming. So you know, I mean, the
point is that this town is so hot for Justin
Fields that it's gonna happen. And and he's being paid
a lot of money. He's a vetter, and he's saying
all the right things. I'd let him start off. I
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would have Justin Fields, say you're gonna play in this
first game. I don't know how much. Let's see what happens. Though.
The worst thing they could do is put this kid
in there, and if he fails and fails early, boy
quarterbacks can lose their confidence. And now the locker rooms
looking around, and you've got all those issues. So I
would go with Dalton to start off. I would play
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fields in the first game, and it's gonna take care
of itself. Maggie cannot listen to the fans if he
makes a decision, because with the fans want there's an
old expression, you listen to the people in the stand.
Sooner or later you'll be sitting with them. How many
snaps are they sharing first team snaps? Because that's crucial.
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You know. The other day when to a and we'll
get to him in a second, because you coach the
Dolphins to have played the Bears too, has taken all
the first team snaps in Miami? Justin fields? Justin fields
isn't yeah to us? The starter? Yes, I mean he
started fields is not right now? And I think you
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think about this and Matt Naggie kind of fish tier
a little bit on this the other day. But the
one thing that I will say about Matt and I
know him and and Ryan Patent, the McCaskey family, they
are people of high integrity, and they told Andy Dalton,
you come here and you're gonna be the starter. I
just think that that's part of it, that they want
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to hold to their commitment of this kid. Uh And
I think that's what's gonna happen. They open up Sunday
night in Los Angeles against the Rams, so it's gonna
it's not gonna be easy. I don't know if I
put I don't know. I don't think there's a quarterback
in the league that would want to start under you know,
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these quarterbacks last weekend. We can get into that. I
thought fields. I thought that Zach Wilson was the best.
I was totally I had never seen this kid play
much and I'm watching him at the Jets game, and
I said, wow, I mean, I was he caught my attention.
I thought just accuracy. Uh, this quick decision making. The
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ball came out and he was completing. To me, he
was converting third downs and there was a full speed
pass rush coming at him. I mean, I that guy
got my attention. I thought that Justin Fields and Trevor
Lawrence were about the same. Uh. You know Trey Lancer,
I thought he was he's got the father's way to go.
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I did not see Mac Jones point uh uh in
New England. I I missed that game, but I saw
the rest of them. And I'll tell you the kid
at the Jets as a player, well, I mean, listen,
we knew this about him. You know, he had his
two comps are Aaron Rodgers and Johnny Manziel. He's got
a good feed, he moves well, and he's got a
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very very quick release. Got a better arm than Manziel.
And the one thing I liked about Zack Wilson is,
you know, Michael Beckton, they have a left tackle. Donald
never did. And then Elijah Vera Tucker. Now they're gonna have,
you know, arguably the best guard in the draft. So
one of the things I liked about him, despite being
a smallish quarterback, he's six two to ten. That's that's
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that's smaller than you'd like. Aaron Rodgers is six two five, thicker,
big calfs, big risks. Aaron's a thicker athlete. But I
thought Zack stood in the pocket and and Trent Dilford
told me this years ago. He goes some guys colin
they don't like defensive lineman barking at them. They don't
like it. They get nervous. I thought Zack, as a
smaller quarterback, just stood as the pocket kept closing and closing,
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and he just stood there. And that's something to me
that there's a certain inner confidence that was impressive. I
would agree totally. You know what's amazing all these young
quarterbacks are playing well and all of the there's so
many teams right now that are talking about going to
the Super Bowl, and they want to anoint these young quarterbacks,
you know, I mean they want to bless them already.
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I would just take you back. And we went to
Dallas with Troy went our first year and I think
we might have been three in one, but we were
feeling real good about the preseason, and we went down
to New Orleans and be Justin Fields made one comment
that makes me a little nervous. He said, the game
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wasn't nearly as fast as I thought it would be. Okay, well,
it wasn't nearly as fast for us. We were driving back.
We beat the Raiders and and you know, we had
never lost at the University in Miami. Down there, Jimmy
and myself and all the whole crew, and we're driving back,
and I remember saying to myself, God, this is gonna
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be easy. Yeah, what's the big And we went down
and played the Saints in New Orleans and we got
shut out. And the only time they didn't scores when
they missed the field goal or dropped the ball in
the end zone. We were terrible. We won one game
that year, but not in the preseason. We had a
whole different feelings. So you know, I'm pumping the brake.
I love what I see how these young quarterbacks, but
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I'm kind of pumping the brakes a little bit and saying,
you know, it's gonna be a different game. Justin Fields
slowed down, It's gonna be faster. Trust me. When you
play get in that game against the Rams and see
Aaron Donald and company over there. It's gonna be a
lot faster and without further ado. Let's welcome in triple ags.
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You know. It's funny, Paul. They gave me all these
questions and I thought I gotta some of these. I
don't even care about. Let's get to the real stuff. Yeah,
go ahead. You look like you're in fantastic shape. Well,
fantastic might be a stretch. Apparently I didn't look that good.
I had to go in there and get shiny stuff
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on my head so I didn't blind everybody. Um I,
for me, the gym is sort of the anchor in
my life, right, so, um, I think everybody needs something
that can level set them on a daily basis. For me,
it's training. And if I don't if I'm not in
the gym training on a regular basis. I started when
I was fourteen, So if I'm not doing that on
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a regular basis, I feel like I'm spiraling out of control.
Do you have another match in you? Could you be
talked into it? So I'm glad you stopped that. You
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still got a chance, because you don't know quite honestly,
neither do I. Um, yeah, look, if if people want it,
if it's the right thing, it's got to be intriguing
for me, you know. So like just at this point,
we're as busy as as everybody is in the w
W E from a from a business side. For me
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to get ready for WrestleMania, it's not at at my age,
it's not uh um, something that you enter into casually.
I'd have to train a lot, a couple of times
a day for you know, three months or show to
get ready for that in ring training everything. So I've
already torn most everything off my body, so uh you
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want to make sure you're not ready to do that again.
So the training would be the tough part with the schedule.
But if it was something that people wanted and it
was intriguing to me, I would love to do it.
I would love to to come back and hit a WrestleMania,
But I've said it before, I'd also love to, you know,
much like somebody like Seen is doing, which is you
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sort of make the comeback and you do it, but
going to the to the towns. I'd love to, you know,
if I was to do something like that before I
called it a day go to the garden again, you know, Um,
go to Japan, go to go to different countries and
and have that one more match. You know, Um, step
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into those cities that you went to where you have
plus years of memories of of all those things and
opponents and everything else, and be able to go out
there and do it again, um, in front of them
one more time. Now that doesn't have to be against
the same person you got against that WrestleMania. So you know,
for me, it's it's a matter of what we can
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make happen. But um, but it's intriguing for sure. Who
is the most underrated in your opinion? The fighter that
maybe didn't quite get to your level or stone cold
but you look back and you're like hell of a wrestler, athletic,
just just a gamer in the ring. Well, um, you
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guys help out with that feel free. Um. Well, it's
a hard thing to say, because what you're saying to
me is who who's the best? You know, if you're
looking at technical in ring wrestling, right like, okay, so
let's look at WrestleMania three. Huld Cogan, Andre the Giant,
Andre's older broken down at that point, can can't move
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a lot. Hogan's Hogan and and people think that's a
not the not the most athletic performer of the generation,
great crowd, psychology, unbelievable charisma, all those things. Ninety people
Pontiac Silver Dome, right, because of that match Savage Steamboat
on the card. Steamboat one of the greatest in ring
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performers at all time. If that match wasn't on the card,
they still would have put ninety thousand people in a
Pontiac Silverdome to watch Hogan and Andre. That's what they
paid to see. The match that stole the night. The
fight was that one was was the Savage Steamboat, Right,
that was by far the greatest match in the card,
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but it didn't draw the crowd. So you know, there
are a lot of fighters out there that, even even
in the legit fight business eight fighters, they don't capture
the imagination of anybody, so they're always under have the
magnetism that you did. Stone called Hulk the Rock. Look,
Floyd Mayweather. You can make an argument that Floyd is
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the greatest boxer of a generation. You could make an
argument that he's one of the greatest of all time, right, technically,
even even statistically beyond others. Right, when did he really
become a box office jaw? When he creates a character
called Money Mayweather and he pitches a show to HBO
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called Right, and he goes on HBO and he gives
them a character every single week against a bunch of fighters,
didn't matter who they were, and Floyd gives you a
spectacle where everybody was caught up in this guy. And
he knew, if I can make them hate me and
want to see me get knocked out and then no
one touches me and I win every time, I'm gonna
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make a boatload of money. That was a success for him.
The personality was the success. The the image, the Money
Mayweather image was the success for him. He happens to
be the greatest boxer of a generation. But the character
is when it took off. I want you to go
back to your career. I wanted you to go back
to the match. Maybe it was the size of it.
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It was the opponent that was the most exhausting that
when it was done. I mean, Paul, you really felt
like I left every out you had that the toughest
physical match you ever had in your life. So it's
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it's hard. It's hard. To say, because there's moments in
your career. Adrenaline is a magical thing. So there's moments
in your career where you do get you know, you
get beat up, you get battered, um, and you get
injured along the way. You know. Um, it's not a secret.
Everybody knows it. I'm not bragging about it, but like
you know, I tore my quad twice on live TV.
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Finished the matches. Um, I uh, the first elimination chamber
we were in, and I hate even bringing it up
because it wasn't Rob van Dam's fault in any way,
shape or form. None of us had ever been in
that thing before. And part way through the match, which was,
you know, an amazing amount of talent, but as Rob
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came off the top of the cage, he went on
top of a pod which wasn't as didn't have as
much space on it as we envisioned it having. He
couldn't stand up straight. Whether I was in too far
or too close or not sure, but I just came
off funny and he tried to protect me but landed
on my throat. Um. You know, I could hardly breathe
the whole match, and they brought a doctor out under
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the ring. And you know you have matches like that
were you're just trying to get through Itine probably gets
you through it. Yeahs, and and those are those are
difficult things. And again, like you said, Adrenaline that they
were all chanting take her a minute ago. And and uh,
I when when Taker and I wrestled, not hell in
the cell, but the year before. I'm terrible with numbers
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those of WrestleMania something, thank you, um, but but wrestled
the year before. It was so physical and I remember
walking out of there thinking, like Jesus, that was brutal,
like on both of us. And and for whatever reason,
the people you're closest to you can hit the hardest
in our business. I don't know why that is, it's
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just the thing. Um. We beat the hell out of
each other. When it was over, I walked to his
locker room to talk to him, and he couldn't get
up off the floor. I went back to his locker
room like two hours later, and he was still sitting there.
He had moved to a chair, but he couldn't get
out of the chair. Damn it, calling you're gonna make
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my makeup run? I didn't show it earlier today. Yeah, yeah, uh,
and I'm more makeup on than she did. Um. You know,
that's leaving it all out there, but that's what we do.
And and then there's you know, their matches where it's harder. Yeah,
there's matches where uh, but I've seen everybody do it.
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I watched Austin in the heyday one time. I wrestled
him for like forty minutes in a in a town
in the middle of nowhere, and I didn't know he
was sick walking in and uh, I thought he looked
a little funny when we didn't talked. You know, I
hadn't really seen him much during the day because what
I didn't know was he was sick in the room. Uh.
We got to the ring and I remember looking across
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the ring and I'm thinking it looks a little green.
Maybe it's lighting in here or whatever. But anyway, we
went like forty minutes, and when we got done, I
walked in the back and he was like laying down
and he was just shaking, and he was green, and
he had an infection in his elbow, you know, his staff.
I didn't know it, you know. And and but he
was just the pride of the performer and what we
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go through for you, you don't. You know, people respect
it and they get it, but they have no idea,
no one. And I'm glad it's changed somewhat today we
have the medical protocols that we have and everything we
we protect talent. There's an old saying that you know,
you have to put a rider on a horse, on
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a on a on a racehorse, because if you don't
have a rider to stop it, it'll just keep running
until it dies. A lot of ways performers in our
industry used to be like that, and and we put
those medical practices in place because you have to pull
those reins because they will just keep running. And and
we you have to protect We have to protect ourselves
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from ourselves in some manner. And and so I've seen
a lot of people do it. But on on any
given night, most everybody's leaving everything they got in that ring.
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the Basket, The Colin Coward Podcast. Some great guests this week.
We're giving you all the highlights, but first my takes
of the week that was. People not in the media
often like to lecture me on how to do media.
I mean, I didn't tell my doctor how to do
my proctology exam. I don't tell a landscaper how to landscape.
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I don't walk into a restaurant and tell the cook
how to cook. They like to say, why do you
waste your time on Tebow? And I like to respond,
why do you waste your time asking me, I talked
Tebow because he's newsworthy. No, he's not there. You go
lecturing again. We have a handful of people in news
who whenever they do anything, we talk about it. Athletes, politicians,
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TV stars, singers, and when they do something big like
return to the NFL. Reunite with your legendary college coach
who's now coaching in the NFL. Yeah, that's what we
call newsworthy. Listen, when Kanye West said he was running
for president and starting an actual campaign, we're going to
(02:58):
talk about it because we look at the Google numbers
and you're interested. Jake Paul YouTuber, I'm gonna fight. Then
he keeps winning fights, and then his pay per view
numbers are substantial. That tells us that you're interested. Before
Donald Trump ran for president, he was newsworthy. Divorces, controversies, bankruptcies, successes.
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He wasn't newsworthy, all you conservatives. If it wasn't for
the media talking about a candidate nobody gave a shot to,
he wouldn't have been president. Do you know that in
twenty nineteen, the most google person was an athlete. No,
it wasn't Tom Brady or Tiger Woods. It was Antonio Brown.
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When people say Tebow's not going to be a super
important player, it's not always the best or most important
player that you find newsworthy in the most googled person
was an athlete. It wasn't Lebron or Roger Federer, it
was lamar Odom. You made him Newsworthy. Newsworthiness is a business,
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and there are a handful of people out there that
drive interest. Virtually nobody can name the fourth tight end
on the Jaguar's depth chart. Most people can only name
a handful of people on the entire Jack's roster. We
all know Tebow because he's interesting. Don't blame me for
talking about him. Blame him. If Tebow had more self
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awareness and understood that, you know, leaving a sport for
nearly a decade and then coming back to try a
new position is really kind of silly. I wouldn't have
talked about him. I was done talking about him. In fact,
years ago, at the end of his NFL career, I
said he probably should go give the CFL a try.
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He really fits that style. I was told. Tebow laughed
at such a suggestion. Don't kid yourself. This is business
and this is ego. He's a human being, humble at times,
very much driven by the brand of Tebow, which pays
him well other times. Listen, the only reason you're upset
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that I talked Tebow because you don't like the way
it ended. People always say that I don't like you
talking Tebow. Let me ask you if he'd have made
the team. Should I have ignored it? Hm hmm, interesting, Colin,
stick to sports. I always hear that from conservatives because
I tend to kind of lean left on social issues.
Stick to sports. And then once I put Will Kine
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on my podcast, I got nothing but credit. Tip of
the cap. My man loved that podcast. You like politics
from me when you agree with them. I talked Tebow
because I find him interesting. I was done talking Tim Tebow.
If Tim Tebow never tries to be a pro athlete again,
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I don't think I'll ever talk about him. But he's
interested sometimes in himself and his impractical dreams. When he
wants to stop, I'll stop. I watched every single NFL
preseason game, and let's just go into the quarterbacks, because
that's what most of us were drawn to the quarterbacks.
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So for the sake of this rant, let's include Jordan's
love in the rookie quarterbacks, Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Trevor
Lawrence Sack, Wilson, Mac Jones, and Jordan loves Since he
didn't dress last year, I thought of those six five
had moments of brilliance and mac Jones maybe in the
(06:38):
perfect situation. I don't think he has a terribly highest ceiling,
but New England's not going to ask him to do
things that the Bears are going to ask Justin Fields
to do behind a fairly patchwork offensive line. They just
brought in Jason Peters, So let's let's start with Justin Fields.
UM six sizes, fine, arms, excellent. I think you're gonna
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see without offensive line and really limited skill people after
Alan Robinson, you know, it's a bunch of emerging young
wide receiver talent. Cole Commits a very good young tight end,
but he's a young tight end. They have one running
back who got dinged up. They don't have a ton
of depth at the skilled positions, so they're gonna lean
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on Justin Fields a lot. A source I trust told
me that he struggled this first couple of weeks in camp,
but over the last week it's really come around. He's
a kid that because he didn't have a lot of weapons,
not a lot of receivers can get themselves open. He's
gonna look down field and if the first or second
option isn't there, he's gonna flush out to the right
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and run a lot. The good news is he'll make
a lot of place a lot of plays. He looked
a little nervous early, but he's a huge talent and
I think he's going to start Game one. Trey Lance.
I thought he looked as good as any of them.
Not a shock. He's got arguably the best offensive coach
and the best roster. Uh. That's something we have to
(08:03):
add context to this stuff. I mean, I watched Jacksonville
play Cleveland. Does Jacksonville have two starters that would start
for Cleveland? Does Jacksonville have five starters on their second
team that would start for Cleveland. I mean that's just
a total physical mismatch in some of these games. So,
Tray Lance, the Niners have a super bowl roster and
a super Bowl coach. How thought Trey look great? Um.
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I also think that offense is complex. He'll continue to grow.
I think Garoppolo starts the season. He has a very
lively arm, super athletic, great size. I think, you know,
he is the one quarterback that I think has a
chance to advance in his first year. In the playoffs,
Trey Lance could be the starting quarterback end of this
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year and win a playoff game, largely because of what's
around him. Listen, Veteran quarterbacks need help. Young quarterbacks need
more help. But I think Trey Lance is in a
perfect situation. He's got playmakers all over the place. Brandon,
I you kittle, Trevor Lawrence made two great throws. Um,
it's a bad team. It's a complete, utter gut job.
It is a remodel, it's a rehab. He made two
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great throws against a far superior roster. Cleveland's got a
top three roster in the NFL. JAG's gonna bottom two roster.
I don't know what to take of it. He looked comfortable.
He made a great throw up the sideline. There's not
a lot I can say. I think he's gonna win
about six games. Urban Meyer needs one more draft and
one more free agency period to really compete on an
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even playing field. Zack Wilson, as we suspected, very lively
arm and moves well. He does look small. I think
he has the fourth best coach in his division. There
have been some comparisons made to Aaron Rodgers in the
way the ball comes out of his hand. It's very lively. Um,
it looks beautiful as I've said he's a little small
(09:51):
for me. He's got the worst roster, probably the fourth
best coach in a division. You can just put down
Owen four against the Patriots, and the bi Ols just
put over on four to probably Owen six. If you
put in the Dolphins, he is going to be fighting uphill.
Of all the rookie quarterbacks, I think he has the
worst spot. I love Joe Douglas, but listen, the kid
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made a couple of really quick, clever throws. And I
will say this, this team is not breaft of talent
the offensive line. They have a very good left tackle,
um Elijah Vera Tucker. I mean they've got some talent here.
I mean Donald was pressured on forty two of the
snaps last year. That is just from a franchise standpoint, embarrassing.
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So between Beckton and Elijah Vera Tucker, the Jets are
in far better shape upfront. Mac Jones low ceiling, not
a playmaker. He is not the ideal quarterback for two
NFL football. But I said this on TV last week.
The Patriots do not have the kind of offensive talent
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that can overcome turnovers. And I could very easily see
that franchise and that coaching staff talking themselves into Mac
Jones and occasionally bringing in packages for Cam Newton near
the goal line. Matt Jones can get you out of trouble,
the line of scrimmage, can get you into the right formation. Uh.
He's a more accurate thrower, good feet, steady, you know,
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throws a nice deep ball. Doesn't have a huge arm.
But again, you know what New England's gonna look like
this year. They're gonna look like the Miami Dolphins last year. Now,
the Dolphins this year have added Jalen Waddle Will Fuller,
so they're gonna have a lot more speed and punch
on the perimeter. New England is gonna look a lot
like Miami last year with twa playing they went ten
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and six. Two went six and three with with below
average quarterback play, but great coaching, great defense, good special teams.
The differences. New England has maybe the best screen game
in the NFL, next to San Francisco, and all sorts
of depth at running back. So you know the interesting
thing about this, If you told me at the end
of the year, Mac Jones and Trey Lance were the
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winningest of these quarterbacks, that would make a lot of
sense to me, even though I think mac Jones has
an incredibly low ceiling. And then Jordan's love he got
dinged up. I saw about five minutes of Jordan's love.
He is the quarterback I saw the least of. He
had a lively arm, he looked in control, he looked comfortable.
I thought he played well. You know, he's in the
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most unique position of all these quarterbacks. The fans aren't
crying out for him. He's got a really good team.
There's no urgency on his improvement. That's a really comfortable
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Restriction supply a keep to lead the five time pro
bowler in the Super Bowl winner. Most people think matt
Stafford and Sean McVeigh will work, do you? I think
they will, just cause just because they both vetted. They
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both they both got that common goal. Man. They both
like right at that point where you know, we gotta win.
They both at that we gotta wins parts. So I
think they're both gonna kind of put the ego to
the side a little bit so they can so they
can get that done. Man. And Matthew Stafford been through
it all. He's talented and you know, he played a
lot of football. He'd be like a coach on the field.
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That's what Sean, That's what he explained to me. He said,
you say coach on the field, but this situation you
really really almost got like a coach on the field. Man.
That's that's how well he knows schemes and he knows defenses,
he know pre snap stuff. So I think it will work. Man.
I think that'd be good. And then they got a
they got a badass defense to play with two man
that always helps. Well, Yeah, you're not in shootouts every week,
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right like he was in Detroit. Now you faced him?
How many times Matt Stafford in your career? Because you
did a lot of a F C stuff, so you
probably didn't face him a ton. I think I faced
him twice. I think I'm faced me. You know, I
think twice. I said twice, how did you do? Oh solid?
I mean the first time, I think he threw a
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bunch of deep ball to Calvin Man. I got a
lot of safety health. It was jump balls me and Calvin.
Calvin had two touchdowns that game. One was in two
man our safety leaning into the tight end, uh, pedigrew
when we got Calvin Johnson over here. Don't lean in
the pedigrew when Calvin Johnson is over here with me, right.
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And then it was a hitching goal too, so you know,
not all the way my fault that was like twenty
yards and one was the hurry up, the hurry up
quick face. That's on the highlight everytime you see highlights.
I'm I'm on, I'm on his highlight. Take on Calvin Johnson.
Howlight tire. But he only had sixty six yards sixty
six yards two touchdown. The second game he has zero touchdowns,
he has seventy some yards. I followed him. I followed
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him left to write both games, so I fair pretty well.
And then the first game when he had two touchdowns
sixty six yards, I had an interception for a touchdown.
So I just wanted to touchdowns with you. Now, Stanford Stafford,
unlike golf, he'll let it loose. He'll take some chances.
You sense that, Oh definitely, Oh definitely. I played against
him twice and both times a few times I had
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some great coverage and I ain't no slots on the
deep balls. People don't just throw me deep balls, right Cott,
And I never really just got balls just thrown up
to me, right Matt Stafford did. He did when I
was in Tampa. He did when I was when I
was in Denver. You know, I'm saying, I think that
was the everyone in the Super Bowl too, So this
was this was lead lead what I'm saying that he
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threw balls that way, man, So he's gonna let it go,
tight windows and everything, he's gonna let it go. So
it's hard to say who's good who's not. Um, you know,
my my takeaway is, let's talk Mac Jones on Thursday night.
So if you were Belichick and you know him, you
were there for years, right, they can make two arguments.
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They can make the argument that we don't have a
ton of playmakers. We need a playmaker at quarterback. Cam
will give us something Mac won't. Or they can make
this argument as a staff of key Okay, we're not
talented enough offensively to turn the ball over, right, Okay,
Mac Jones more accurate, Um gets the ball out quickly,
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not gonna run around. You know, Cam last year had picks,
he has fumbles. They can make two compelling arguments, we
need Cams playmaking or you know what, we want a
guy that just delivers the ball, distributes, get us in
and out of trouble and then let's our defense win.
Your gut feeling on which way Belichick you're around him,
which way he'd go? I definitely think he'd go count
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just because I think Bill is big on leadership, right,
and you know, man, who's gonna who's gonna be the
best leader in that huttle? And that's about far Cam.
So I think Bill think even though mc donk might
be more accurate, he might be you know, slower to
throw something in the track. Thinking he throw the check
down quicker than Camp. You might try not. I ain't
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gonna miss this thing up. I might not make no place.
I might not. Ain't gonna miss his name up though.
You know he's gonna get that. But who's gonna be
the best leader in his huddle? You know what I'm saying?
When things get tough? Who gonna keep the guys together?
Who gonna you know, rather the troops when when fourth quarter?
When when they need to be rallied? And you gotta
say that's Camp. Are you surprised Cam struggled most of
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last year though? But are you surprised that the patriot
culture and Cam have worked? Because by and large he
compliments it, Belichick compliments him. There's been no rough spots.
I mean last year he got COVID in the middle
of the year, so I kind of get my pass.
At the end of the year, I thought he played
pretty well. Are you kind of surprised at well? I am.
I'm surprised it works, um Me being there, I'm not
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surprised it worked because Cam is a leader. Like I said,
he a great leader, and you're not gonna out work
here one of them guys like I might be Hollywood.
I might dressed like this, but he worked hell of
hard like Odell. He one of those kind of guys.
May you not gonna match stay work and ship like
that that Bill Respect. You're a leader and you work
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like that. You're competitive like that. You you bow down
to nobody. I compete against anybody, any whatever, no matter
whom I received you. Let's go Bill respect that man
So and cam different man. I'm telling you that leadership
he got is Yes, you got leaders. Then you've got
guys like cam So the top nots and leader man.
He's gonna bring guys all the way together. So Bill Field,
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that in the building. So here, here we go into
another season. Give me your a f C NFC championship.
Let's put it on tape. I'm gonna go I like um.
I like Buffalo a lot. I'm gonna It's not that
I don't like Kansas City. They're everybody's favorite. I think Buffalo.
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I think Baltimore is gonna be a handful. I think
Cleveland's gonna be a handful. I think the Chargers are
gonna surprise people. You know what not gonna be Buffalo
Kansas City because it's never the teams. We think, right,
So you're gonna go outside the box. I'm gonna go
crazy here, Chargers, Bills throw me out. What do you got? Look? Uh,
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anc Chip, I'm gonna go Chiefs Brown's. I got no
problem with it. Chiefs Brown's Odell Beckham comes back, great
offensive line. Baker, he finally has a legitimate head coach.
K NFC. They got the pieces to play Joe Wood's defense.
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Joe Wood's super super super similar to Wave Phillips. You see,
he went and got he win and got Comar John Johnson, Camaro, Troy.
He just got some bodies in his secondary and got
some more cover guys Camarre and newsom here man guy Camarre.
He got guys who really hit the description of that
Joe Wood defense. I think that defense gonna be totally
different this year. Let's to the NFC. UM, you have
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to take Tampa simply because they have the best roster.
Seattle is not a complete team. I my my gut
feeling is when cam Akers got hurt, the Rams are
missing a leg on the bar stool. They just don't
have a running game. I'll probably go Seattle. Tampa is
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my guest. I don't think Seattle is a complete team.
I still have questions on the interior of the offensive line,
but I do think, you know, I do think Russell
Wilson just wins so many close games. I'd go Seattle Tampa.
What would be your call, Seattle Tampa. H Let get
outside the box a little bit, man, I'm gonna go.
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I like that with I think somebody definitely got to
represent in the West. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Tampa, Arizona.
I like Arizona to catch fire, man, And you know,
you know, it's funny last two year years as they
were in a rebuild, Arizona is given the Seahawks, the
Rams and the Niners fits in a total rebuild. They
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know how to play them guys. So so as okay,
as coach has been over there, right, he went, he's
doing good in the division, So you know how to
play his division. And that's that's the most important thing. Man,
Everything come around one year, you would catch fire. As
long as you know how to win in your division,
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you're you're in good shape. And that's what he's doing. Yeah.
I also think that division could largely be dictated by
who's healthiest. But the healthy team they just win. I
mean it's it's you know, if if Garoppolo goes down
early and Trade has got to play, that's not ideal. Right.
If Dwayne Brown got hurt left tackle for Seattle, that's
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a battle line overnight, exactly, all right. Dave Wonstat, former
coach of the Bears and Dolphins, Dallas defensive coordinator for
the Super Bowl win. So if they are going to
become a power offense, yep, you would go with Justin
Fields to start game one. Um, No, I would not.
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I would start Dalton for this reason. And I when
I was at practice, Andy Dalton throws a simple little
curl route and I'm standing there in the sidelines. There's
probably five hundred thousand people of practice. Nobody moves five
plays later Justin Fields because in there and throws the
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same play, same receiver, he catches it. A thousand people
are under feet screaming. So you know, I mean, the
point is that this town is so hot for Justin
Fields that it's gonna happen. And and he's being paid
a lot of money. He's a vetter, and he's saying
all the right things. I'd let him start off. I
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would have Justin Fields, say you're gonna play in this
first game. I don't know how much. Let's see what happens. Though.
The worst thing they could do is put this kid
in there, and if he fails and fails early, boy
quarterbacks can lose their confidence. And now the locker rooms
looking around, and you've got all those issues. So I
would go with Dalton to start off. I would play
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fields in the first game, and it's gonna take care
of itself. Maggie cannot listen to the fans if he
makes a decision, because with the fans want there's an
old expression, you listen to the people in the stand.
Sooner or later you'll be sitting with them. How many
snaps are they sharing first team snaps? Because that's crucial.
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You know. The other day when to a and we'll
get to him in a second, because you coach the
Dolphins to have played the Bears too, has taken all
the first team snaps in Miami? Justin fields? Justin fields
isn't yeah to us? The starter? Yes, I mean he
started fields is not right now? And I think you
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think about this and Matt Naggie kind of fish tier
a little bit on this the other day. But the
one thing that I will say about Matt and I
know him and and Ryan Patent, the McCaskey family, they
are people of high integrity, and they told Andy Dalton,
you come here and you're gonna be the starter. I
just think that that's part of it, that they want
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to hold to their commitment of this kid. Uh And
I think that's what's gonna happen. They open up Sunday
night in Los Angeles against the Rams, so it's gonna
it's not gonna be easy. I don't know if I
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these quarterbacks last weekend. We can get into that. I
thought fields. I thought that Zach Wilson was the best.
I was totally I had never seen this kid play
much and I'm watching him at the Jets game, and
I said, wow, I mean, I was he caught my attention.
I thought just accuracy. Uh, this quick decision making. The
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ball came out and he was completing. To me, he
was converting third downs and there was a full speed
pass rush coming at him. I mean, I that guy
got my attention. I thought that Justin Fields and Trevor
Lawrence were about the same. Uh. You know Trey Lancer,
I thought he was he's got the father's way to go.
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I did not see Mac Jones point uh uh in
New England. I I missed that game, but I saw
the rest of them. And I'll tell you the kid
at the Jets as a player, well, I mean, listen,
we knew this about him. You know, he had his
two comps are Aaron Rodgers and Johnny Manziel. He's got
a good feed, he moves well, and he's got a
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very very quick release. Got a better arm than Manziel.
And the one thing I liked about Zack Wilson is,
you know, Michael Beckton, they have a left tackle. Donald
never did. And then Elijah Vera Tucker. Now they're gonna have,
you know, arguably the best guard in the draft. So
one of the things I liked about him, despite being
a smallish quarterback, he's six two to ten. That's that's
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that's smaller than you'd like. Aaron Rodgers is six two five, thicker,
big calfs, big risks. Aaron's a thicker athlete. But I
thought Zack stood in the pocket and and Trent Dilford
told me this years ago. He goes some guys colin
they don't like defensive lineman barking at them. They don't
like it. They get nervous. I thought Zack, as a
smaller quarterback, just stood as the pocket kept closing and closing,
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and he just stood there. And that's something to me
that there's a certain inner confidence that was impressive. I
would agree totally. You know what's amazing all these young
quarterbacks are playing well and all of the there's so
many teams right now that are talking about going to
the Super Bowl, and they want to anoint these young quarterbacks,
you know, I mean they want to bless them already.
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I would just take you back. And we went to
Dallas with Troy went our first year and I think
we might have been three in one, but we were
feeling real good about the preseason, and we went down
to New Orleans and be Justin Fields made one comment
that makes me a little nervous. He said, the game
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wasn't nearly as fast as I thought it would be. Okay, well,
it wasn't nearly as fast for us. We were driving back.
We beat the Raiders and and you know, we had
never lost at the University in Miami. Down there, Jimmy
and myself and all the whole crew, and we're driving back,
and I remember saying to myself, God, this is gonna
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be easy. Yeah, what's the big And we went down
and played the Saints in New Orleans and we got
shut out. And the only time they didn't scores when
they missed the field goal or dropped the ball in
the end zone. We were terrible. We won one game
that year, but not in the preseason. We had a
whole different feelings. So you know, I'm pumping the brake.
I love what I see how these young quarterbacks, but
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I'm kind of pumping the brakes a little bit and saying,
you know, it's gonna be a different game. Justin Fields
slowed down, It's gonna be faster. Trust me. When you
play get in that game against the Rams and see
Aaron Donald and company over there. It's gonna be a
lot faster and without further ado. Let's welcome in triple ags.
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You know. It's funny, Paul. They gave me all these
questions and I thought I gotta some of these. I
don't even care about. Let's get to the real stuff. Yeah,
go ahead. You look like you're in fantastic shape. Well,
fantastic might be a stretch. Apparently I didn't look that good.
I had to go in there and get shiny stuff
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on my head so I didn't blind everybody. Um I,
for me, the gym is sort of the anchor in
my life, right, so, um, I think everybody needs something
that can level set them on a daily basis. For me,
it's training. And if I don't if I'm not in
the gym training on a regular basis. I started when
I was fourteen, So if I'm not doing that on
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a regular basis, I feel like I'm spiraling out of control.
Do you have another match in you? Could you be
talked into it? So I'm glad you stopped that. You
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still got a chance, because you don't know quite honestly,
neither do I. Um, yeah, look, if if people want it,
if it's the right thing, it's got to be intriguing
for me, you know. So like just at this point,
we're as busy as as everybody is in the w
W E from a from a business side. For me
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to get ready for WrestleMania, it's not at at my age,
it's not uh um, something that you enter into casually.
I'd have to train a lot, a couple of times
a day for you know, three months or show to
get ready for that in ring training everything. So I've
already torn most everything off my body, so uh you
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want to make sure you're not ready to do that again.
So the training would be the tough part with the schedule.
But if it was something that people wanted and it
was intriguing to me, I would love to do it.
I would love to to come back and hit a WrestleMania,
But I've said it before, I'd also love to, you know,
much like somebody like Seen is doing, which is you
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sort of make the comeback and you do it, but
going to the to the towns. I'd love to, you know,
if I was to do something like that before I
called it a day go to the garden again, you know, Um,
go to Japan, go to go to different countries and
and have that one more match. You know, Um, step
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into those cities that you went to where you have
plus years of memories of of all those things and
opponents and everything else, and be able to go out
there and do it again, um, in front of them
one more time. Now that doesn't have to be against
the same person you got against that WrestleMania. So you know,
for me, it's it's a matter of what we can
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make happen. But um, but it's intriguing for sure. Who
is the most underrated in your opinion? The fighter that
maybe didn't quite get to your level or stone cold
but you look back and you're like hell of a wrestler, athletic,
just just a gamer in the ring. Well, um, you
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guys help out with that feel free. Um. Well, it's
a hard thing to say, because what you're saying to
me is who who's the best? You know, if you're
looking at technical in ring wrestling, right like, okay, so
let's look at WrestleMania three. Huld Cogan, Andre the Giant,
Andre's older broken down at that point, can can't move
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a lot. Hogan's Hogan and and people think that's a
not the not the most athletic performer of the generation,
great crowd, psychology, unbelievable charisma, all those things. Ninety people
Pontiac Silver Dome, right, because of that match Savage Steamboat
on the card. Steamboat one of the greatest in ring
(38:29):
performers at all time. If that match wasn't on the card,
they still would have put ninety thousand people in a
Pontiac Silverdome to watch Hogan and Andre. That's what they
paid to see. The match that stole the night. The
fight was that one was was the Savage Steamboat, Right,
that was by far the greatest match in the card,
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but it didn't draw the crowd. So you know, there
are a lot of fighters out there that, even even
in the legit fight business eight fighters, they don't capture
the imagination of anybody, so they're always under have the
magnetism that you did. Stone called Hulk the Rock. Look,
Floyd Mayweather. You can make an argument that Floyd is
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the greatest boxer of a generation. You could make an
argument that he's one of the greatest of all time, right, technically,
even even statistically beyond others. Right, when did he really
become a box office jaw? When he creates a character
called Money Mayweather and he pitches a show to HBO
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called Right, and he goes on HBO and he gives
them a character every single week against a bunch of fighters,
didn't matter who they were, and Floyd gives you a
spectacle where everybody was caught up in this guy. And
he knew, if I can make them hate me and
want to see me get knocked out and then no
one touches me and I win every time, I'm gonna
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make a boatload of money. That was a success for him.
The personality was the success. The the image, the Money
Mayweather image was the success for him. He happens to
be the greatest boxer of a generation. But the character
is when it took off. I want you to go
back to your career. I wanted you to go back
to the match. Maybe it was the size of it.
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It was the opponent that was the most exhausting that
when it was done. I mean, Paul, you really felt
like I left every out you had that the toughest
physical match you ever had in your life. So it's
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it's hard. It's hard. To say, because there's moments in
your career. Adrenaline is a magical thing. So there's moments
in your career where you do get you know, you
get beat up, you get battered, um, and you get
injured along the way. You know. Um, it's not a secret.
Everybody knows it. I'm not bragging about it, but like
you know, I tore my quad twice on live TV.
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Finished the matches. Um, I uh, the first elimination chamber
we were in, and I hate even bringing it up
because it wasn't Rob van Dam's fault in any way,
shape or form. None of us had ever been in
that thing before. And part way through the match, which was,
you know, an amazing amount of talent, but as Rob
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came off the top of the cage, he went on
top of a pod which wasn't as didn't have as
much space on it as we envisioned it having. He
couldn't stand up straight. Whether I was in too far
or too close or not sure, but I just came
off funny and he tried to protect me but landed
on my throat. Um. You know, I could hardly breathe
the whole match, and they brought a doctor out under
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the ring. And you know you have matches like that
were you're just trying to get through Itine probably gets
you through it. Yeahs, and and those are those are
difficult things. And again, like you said, Adrenaline that they
were all chanting take her a minute ago. And and uh,
I when when Taker and I wrestled, not hell in
the cell, but the year before. I'm terrible with numbers
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those of WrestleMania something, thank you, um, but but wrestled
the year before. It was so physical and I remember
walking out of there thinking, like Jesus, that was brutal,
like on both of us. And and for whatever reason,
the people you're closest to you can hit the hardest
in our business. I don't know why that is, it's
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just the thing. Um. We beat the hell out of
each other. When it was over, I walked to his
locker room to talk to him, and he couldn't get
up off the floor. I went back to his locker
room like two hours later, and he was still sitting there.
He had moved to a chair, but he couldn't get
out of the chair. Damn it, calling you're gonna make
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my makeup run? I didn't show it earlier today. Yeah, yeah, uh,
and I'm more makeup on than she did. Um. You know,
that's leaving it all out there, but that's what we do.
And and then there's you know, their matches where it's harder. Yeah,
there's matches where uh, but I've seen everybody do it.
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I watched Austin in the heyday one time. I wrestled
him for like forty minutes in a in a town
in the middle of nowhere, and I didn't know he
was sick walking in and uh, I thought he looked
a little funny when we didn't talked. You know, I
hadn't really seen him much during the day because what
I didn't know was he was sick in the room. Uh.
We got to the ring and I remember looking across
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the ring and I'm thinking it looks a little green.
Maybe it's lighting in here or whatever. But anyway, we
went like forty minutes, and when we got done, I
walked in the back and he was like laying down
and he was just shaking, and he was green, and
he had an infection in his elbow, you know, his staff.
I didn't know it, you know. And and but he
was just the pride of the performer and what we
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go through for you, you don't. You know, people respect
it and they get it, but they have no idea,
no one. And I'm glad it's changed somewhat today we
have the medical protocols that we have and everything we
we protect talent. There's an old saying that you know,
you have to put a rider on a horse, on
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a on a on a racehorse, because if you don't
have a rider to stop it, it'll just keep running
until it dies. A lot of ways performers in our
industry used to be like that, and and we put
those medical practices in place because you have to pull
those reins because they will just keep running. And and
we you have to protect We have to protect ourselves
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from ourselves in some manner. And and so I've seen
a lot of people do it. But on on any
given night, most everybody's leaving everything they got in that ring.
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