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Speaker 1 (00:04):
All right, welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode three
point thirty nine. If you're watching on YouTube, you got
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because last night was an utterly stunning result. We will
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him play. Aaron Rodgers can't stand his new helmet. We
knew that already and the state of American soccer, which
we could spend a lot of time on. However, we're
not going to, just because last night's basketball game was
to me as stunning of a game as we've had
in the finals. Gosh, for my purposes in fifteen years,
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that to me was as stunning of a singular and
I know it was only a five and a half
point spread, but as stunning of a singular finals game
as we've had since Game five of MAVs Heat in
twenty eleven. And so we will get to all of that.
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demands is bravely repping his old school Shay Gilgess Alexander
Jersey that was purchased I mean six five years ago,
like right after the thunder got Shay, before he was
(02:22):
anything close to an All star, much less a superstar.
He's repping it right after they have their first, in
my opinion, truly devastating loss of the year. So let's
get into First of all, proud of you, good job
in that regard. Second of all, let's get into the game.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, so you said you said the Pacers had to
win this game, and they went out there and win it.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Their role players showed up.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, ces role players did little for them, shave and
kind of underwhelmed a little bit. Do you think that
that performance is replicable for the Pacers?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, what I think is this. I think we have
something now that I never thought we were gonna have,
which is a real series that could go either way.
And I'm shocked Indy won that game. And I know
I shouldn't be, because again, five and a half point
(03:17):
underdogs win all the time. It's not like and they
were at home. And I understand all of that, I
really do, And if I the only solace I have,
I suppose from a personal perspective, in all, you know
(03:38):
my terrible poker results from last week in Vegas's. Had
I not had terrible poker results last week in Vegas,
I almost assuredly would have fired considerably on the thunder
to win this basketball game. Because I have bought in.
(03:58):
I have bought in the the twenty twenty five Oklahoma
City thunder as far as singular seasons are an all
time team that Indiana did not have an answer for
Shay And as we talked about I think pretty intelligently
on Tuesday, it is just so hard, unless you have
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the best defense in basketball to win a championship if
your best player is a pass first guy, if he's
not a just go get you a bucket guy. And
we talked about it on Tuesday that the greatest point
guards we've seen in the history of this league, aside
from Magic Johnson, were not able to crack that code
(04:51):
if they were listen. Steph did it. Obviously he's not
a pass first guy. Zeke did it. He could have
scored more, but also had the best defense in basketball.
But Jason Kidd or Chris Paul or hell Oscar Robertson
before he had a Keeam or Bob Coosey before he
had Russell, Steve Nash, those guys, It's just so hard
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because you are going to come again across a team
who's best guy can go get a bucket whenever he
wants And how do you answer that? And again, I'm
not acting as if the Pacers have won the series.
I am acting as if however, we now have a series,
and now all of a sudden, the Pacers have a
(05:36):
game to play with The Pacers demonse go into Game four,
and I'm sure they won't view it this way, but
it's a house money game. They go into Game four saying,
all right, if we win, we have a vice scrip
(05:57):
on this series. And if we lose, we already know
we can win in Oklahoma City. And unlike Game one,
which you give the Pacers credit for their heart and
their grit and all of that, Game one, however, let's
(06:17):
be honest, felt fluky. It felt like, Okay, Oklahoma City
took their eye off the ball for just a minute,
and the Pacers stormed through that door.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Say if this is what they do when they get
they get in those late game situations and they can
overcome it.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think they did it again.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So but that's not what they did here.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Oh yeah, this not in this game. I'm talking about
Game one.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Ok yeah, So here, here's why I'm saying. It didn't
feel fluky that they hit. You know, that Halliburton hit
the game winner. That didn't feel fluky. What felt fluky
was the fact that Oklahoma City led seconds into the
(07:01):
game the Pacers never closed the gap. That it was
a fourteen point game in the fourth quarter and it
was I and all of a sudden, the Pacers have
a chance to steal it. And you're right, that was
the fourth time they've done that in these playoffs. I
(07:23):
get that. So maybe fluky's the wrong word, Jeeves, but
not they weren't gonna win four games that way. They
were not gonna win four games where Oklahoma City dominates
the game and then they come roaring back like they've
won one game a series that way. And then Game two,
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when Oklahoma City dominated from start to finish, that felt
to me much more indicative of the game we were
going to get, where the Pacers are good but Oklahoma
City's great, and instead everything you wanted to see from
Indiana they did. They did bother shay More Halliburton was
(08:10):
more aggressive, Siakam was more efficient, and the star of
the game Benedict Mathern, who has had such an interesting playoffs.
So Matherine who the Pacers beat Demond because they never tank,
(08:31):
don't have a lot of super high draft picks on
their team, and in fact, I think, like I don't
know if it's franchise history like the last thirty years
or something, but there's only two guys that they have
drafted in the top nine or something. I'm gonna get
that those details a little wrong, but it's about that
Mathern and a kid who's hurt, and Matherin was kind
(08:56):
of it looked like, oh wait, is he gonna be
odd man out win? In the Cleveland series, Game four,
he basically gets a DMP coaches decision. Game five, he
only plays eleven minutes. Then against the Knicks Game two,
(09:18):
eleven minutes, zero points, Game three, eight minutes, two points,
and it looked like Carlisle was souring on it. And
then Mathern has had in the last six games three
just unbelievable stat lines off the bench. Game four against
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the Knicks twelve minutes, twenty points, Game five against the
Knicks twenty five minutes, twenty three points, and then last
night Game three against the Thunder twenty two minutes, twenty
seven points. And I'm gonna pull it up so we
(10:04):
have it exactly. But since he was basically looked like,
oh man, is Carlisle done with him? In the six
games since then, Benedict Mathern has played one hundred and
six minutes and scored ninety three points. The guy is
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basically a point a minute over his last six games.
None more important or noteworthy than last night when nobody
had an answer for him, when he just he was
the X factor off the bench for them, and all
(10:48):
I'm just so yes, listen, TJ McConnell did TJ McConnell things.
And he loves getting those steals in the back court.
You know, he's just us up a white man's Jose Alvarado,
like I'm gonna play this scrappy style, I'm gonna annoy you.
(11:08):
He doesn't. He doesn't go out of bounds and and
trick people like that. But he's a past And one
of his steals, the one where he just caught the
inbound pass and laid it up, was one of the
dopest things. That was one of the coolest mini highlights
of the season. Yeah, he just jumped up and grabbed
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and laid it up right there again.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Couple.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, And so he had he made three baskets, I
feel like they were and he had five steals. So
TJ McConnell off the bench, five steals, Obi Toppin off
the bench four of five from two and some big rebounds.
And Ben Matherin man nine of twelve, got to the
(11:56):
free throw line eight times, which is another thing he
did against the Nick. He drew foulsand got to the line.
He's plus sixteen and twenty two minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Give is okay? See another thing to have to worry
about one.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Hundred percent and credit where it's due to Halliburton, because
Halliburton the point that I made. Now, let me just
be clear here, my playoff bracket and my playoff predictions
are in shambles. I have been wrong about three series
(12:33):
picks more this playoffs than any playoffs I can remember.
And bet of the Year, which we'll get to later,
is on life supports. It's truly on life support. My
in series analysis has been far better.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
And one of the points that I'm excuse me, I apologize.
One of the points I made after game two was
the Pacers need to recognize you are not playing.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
A good shot, good shot, great shot team. You are
playing a bad shot, decent shot. Take the shot. And
it felt like Halliburton understood that. That Haliburton, when his
teammates go five of twenty one from three, when aside
(13:27):
from Mathern nobody hits more than one three when aside
from Siakam, none of the other starters really seem like
they have it offensively, he understood, I've got to be
a little more aggressive looking for my own shot, and
he did. Now he's still the ball was still popping
(13:48):
and moving, and he's still had his eleven assists, and
he's a rebound shy of a triple double. But he
was a little more aggressive offensively. And here's the other
thing the Pacers do, man, They wear your ass out
where they are. And the part of this is because
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Carlisle trusts the bench like it is remarkable demons that
in a basketball game. That keep in mind, I thought
the thunder kind of stole the game a sneaky what
could have been a sneaky huge moment was the very
(14:32):
end of the third quarter when the Pacers are up
one with thirty five seconds left and Check gets a
dunk and one. Now they're up to McConnell misses a
(14:53):
you know, like a five footer, and then j Dubb
hits a three basically at the core buzzer, and it
went from oh, the Pacers are gonna have the lead
going into the fourth to the Pacers are down five
going into the fourth and then it didn't you know,
they crushed him in the fourth thirty two to eighteen.
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But the fact that Halliburton, in what I felt was
a gotta have it, must win game that was nip
and tuck really throughout. He only played thirty six minutes.
Like Halliburton has not played forty minutes in a regulation
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playoff game this year, which is maybe one of the
reasons he's so good at the end. But it de
testament to the Pacers that they're able to do that
have their best player on the bench and not get
blown out. And the Thunder at the end of this
game were the tired team.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Like Indiana seemed like they switched identities with okay See, Yes,
as far as defense, Indiana is a.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Lot more suffocating. They're flying around.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay See was obviously still playing decent defense, but it
just seemed like the Pacers had a lot more energy
on defense.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Well, it looked like he hadn't played in the fourth
quarter at all.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
The listen Pacers thirteen steals, Thunder six Pacers, fourteen turnovers,
Thunder just nineteen All Right'm sorry, Thunder nineteen, not just
nineteen they Pacers won the points off turnovers battle twenty
one to fourteen. They won the fast break points battle
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seventeen to ten. Like a lot of these metrics that
the Thunder have been eating off of, and those aren't
really metrics. Those are just kind of old school stats
eating off of all year, the Pacers won. And for
the Pacers to win that game, when Jadub plays that well,
(17:00):
man oh Man, like, because I thought Jalen Williams was excellent.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
He played well.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I also thought no, no, no. I also thought, for
the first time this series, and one of the only
times all playoffs, it felt like Daggonall was struggling to
find who on my bench do I trust. He threw
(17:26):
Isaiah Joe in there. Isaiah Joe hit a couple of
threes in a couple minutes. He didn't go back. Aaron
Wiggins didn't have it, Caruso didn't have the impact he'd
been having. It was probably Hartenstein's worst game of the playoffs.
And so even though Cason Wallace played well, Dort played well,
(17:52):
Jada played excellent, and we'll get to Shay and Chet
in a second, but you can't say either one of
those guys was herrrific, like neither one of those guys
like had just awful awful games. Indy stormed back and
then was in firm control for the second half of
(18:13):
that fourth quarter. They take the lead with eight minutes
left after being down five going into the quarter and
never relinquish it and stretch it at one point all
the way up to eight points. And credit to the officials,
(18:34):
by the way, for not going flagrant.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Fact yes, yeah, because it would have that all on
the broadcast to a.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Sea which was weird. Like I but again I don't
know the broadcast. It doesn't matter point that like, because
that was it was a terrible Haliburton turnover, probably his
worst moment of the game. And you're up eight with
three minutes left with the ball, you get a bucket.
(19:07):
The game's basically over. What you can't allow is the
live ball turnover transition layup all of a sudden at
six still, what you really can't allow is a four
or five point possession, which is what could have happened
if they would have called a flagrant. They didn't call
a flagrant, and I listen, I thought, Indiana, if I'm
(19:30):
being totally honest, and then we'll get to the okayc
side of things was as funny as odd as this
is Demond's because they've they've been so good when they've
been trailing. I thought Indiana was a little shaky on
(19:51):
their their late game execution. So with three minutes left,
you have or a two and a half minutes left,
I guess was the Halliburton turnover, and then almost the
flagrant the next possession, Miles Turner turnover the next possession,
(20:17):
kind of an early in the shot clock Nie Smith three.
Siakam then makes a bucket, calms things down. But then
you're up eight with a minute left and you commit
a dumb foul that you can't do that. The next
possession you commit a foul. Haliburton upset he doesn't get
(20:41):
the call and they commit a foul. You're up seven
with thirty five seconds left, like and the balls eighty
feet from the basket just don't foul. So there were
a few moments late where it looked like Indiana nem
Harden committed a foul with seventeen seconds left. Again, those
things didn't end up mattering, but they could have. But overall, man,
(21:09):
what a what a performance, And it is not lost
on me that I said, this was to me the
most shocking singular Finals game for me since Game five
twenty eleven MAVs heat. And the coach of the team
that pulled off that upset and the coach of the
(21:31):
team that pulled off this upset are the same guy,
Rick Carlisle, who I imagine once the Finals are over,
the Knicks are gonna say, hey, can we interview him?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
So?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Uh DEMONDI. One of the questions from.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
The chat, oh yeah, so, anonymous three to five four
says Nick, what do you think has been the issue
with a lot of pundits getting behind the Pacers is
a good team?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
A and I's three five four. I've been there with you,
but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So listen. I don't think people have denied that the
Pacers are a good team. I do think people have.
I think it's fair to say people have not acted
as if the fact that they have the second best
record in basketball since and I don't think I've lost
(22:25):
consecutive games since January one. I think that people have
dismissed that, maybe a little more than they should have.
But I think this was less about a dismissal of
Indiana and more about a reverence for Okac, who, if
we're being honest, through two games, controlled ninety six percent
(22:51):
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Speaker 1 (24:56):
All right, demons, let's get to the OKC side of things.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You're better of the year, okay, seys one and a half.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, the series is struggling, so okay, see, he just
needs to win every single game in a row to
close out the series. How do you think that bet
to cash one hundred percent? How do you think that
Okayc's gonna respond now that the pressures on them?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
They are going back to Indiana?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
All right? I know this is cliche. I understand that
this might be too simplistic for some of the more
erudite members of NBA Twitter, but I don't care. Game
four is about one guy and one kind of one
(25:40):
other guy, and that one guy is shit. Shay was
mediocre yesterday. He was nine of twenty. He didn't get
all the Shay calls that he's used to. He turned
the ball over a half dozen times times, he was
(26:02):
targeted a fair amount defensively, and he never even had
like that stretch of the game where it's like, oh
a Shay Gilgess Alexander individual seven to zero run. He
is the league in MVP. He had scored seventy two
points in the first two finals games. He came into
(26:25):
this game with I think the seventh highest finals average
for a single series in league history. He had, you know,
he came into this game averaging thirty six a game
and really being not just the best player on the court,
(26:46):
but head and shoulders markedly better than whomever the second
best player was. And then yesterday he had an off night.
You don't kill him for it, You absolutely, unequivocal, do
not kill him for it. But the pressure is on him.
In game four, we the best player in the league.
(27:10):
Conversation was starting. We were already. I tried to Demanse
thought that I was too premature, and he might have
ended up being right. Some of Demand's playoff takes might
end up aging a lot better than mine.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Go back and watch.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, because after what was it? It was Game four
against Minnesota when I just basically did the thunder have
won the championship but they're not a dynasty yet? The
show Yeah, and you were like, can we slow down
a bit? And I was like, no, we can't. I
(27:51):
think Thunder have won the title now. Demand wanted to
pump the brakes on me. A couple of weeks ago
doing that. I can't imagine how he felt watching Sports TV,
you know, Monday and Tuesday when forget the thunder of
won this title, the thunder have won the next few
like we were a full fledged dynasty discussion in a
(28:11):
lot of places. And by the way, I still think
the thunder are gonna win the series.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You think that's crazy right now? You would pick Indiana.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I'm picking Indiana.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That's I think they're gonna Honestly, this is probably just emotion.
I just don't want okay See to win. I want
the Pacers to win it. I like the Pacers a
lot more. But and I do truly think the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Can win it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I don't think that in the next game exactly what
happened this last game will happen, but the other players
that didn't play to their best standard can make up
for the math room or the TJ McConnell. I think
TJ McConnell's game is pretty replicable. But yeah, I feel
pretty strongly about it.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Okay, if you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, that commentary
from Demonte made total sense. If you're watching on YouTube,
it might be a little confusing, as he is saying,
I just want Indiana to win while proudly wearing his
SGA jersey. So it might be somewhat there might be
(29:14):
a little a little es right, so the that so
I credit to you for that take. I still think
okay See is better and I still think that they are.
While my minus two and a half or minus a
(29:37):
game and a half take is in trouble. Okay Se
still should should have in their back pocket a game
seven in their building, where they have lost two playoff
games all year, both on buzzer beaters. However, in order
(29:59):
to get to a game seven, they have to win
a game in Indiana and that and Shae is the
guy that in that context has to be better than
he was not in this series or in this postseason.
But then he has then he was last night. The
(30:23):
other guy who I'm going to, you know, shine a
light on.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
A bit.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Is the highest drafted player on this team and the
guy a lot of people thought Shae obviously has superseded
this but had the highest upside of any of these guys,
at least as prospects. And that's Chet. Now, listen, Chet
last night was six of nine inside the arc eight
(30:56):
of nine from the free throw line gave you twenty
and ten. You can't kill Chet for his performance last
night at all. What's odd for him this series is
he just can't hit his three. He's now one for
ten in the series. From three last night took six
of them. And Jalen Williams had been consistent but inefficient
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in this series prior to last night. Last night he
was good. He was fifty percent from the field, and
from three last night was Jalen Williams was the best
player on the Thunder. Game four, Shay's got to be
exceptional and Chet's just got to make a few rain shots.
I think they can. I think they will. What do
(31:44):
you think, Demande.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
If I'm guessing you haven't looked. What do you think
the line for Game four is in Indiana?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I'd say Indiana. Uh, it's okay, okay, see minus three.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, see minus six? Jesus Vegas? Is they okay? See
is minus two twenty for the series? Still they're minus
six in this game. I'm telling you the like DraftKings
and Vegas do not believe. And now minus two twenty
(32:32):
isn't minus seven hundred, which is where okay s was
to start the series. But they still think okay See
is in very good shape. Mine it Like, let me
put it like this, minus two twenty would still be
one of the seven biggest finals upsets ever, Like what
(32:58):
okay See is favorite by right now? Down to one
losing that would be the seventh biggest finals upset of
all time. I and here's the other thing. I'm really
excited to see what Shay has for us here because
(33:21):
Jokic is not the right example in this because Jokic
in his one NBA Finals, they lost game one, but
then first of all, that Heat team was wildly overmatched,
and second of all, they you know, they then won
four straight. Yannis's one NBA Finals, however, is an interesting
(33:44):
one where they're down two to Phoenix and he responds
with a forty one thirteen to six, then a twenty
six fourteen to eight, then a thirty two nine and
six including I think that was the game with the
(34:08):
alley the steal by Drew in the alley oop, and
then of course game six he had the fifty and fourteen,
Like how does the MVP scoring champ leader of the team, uh? How?
And the Daniels reminded me Denver lost game two, not
(34:31):
game one. But the point kind of remains, even after
losing game two, they were never really in jeopardy. They
were never they never even more to the point, they
never trailed in the series. Thank you, Daniel, I forgot that.
I just knew they lost one of the first two.
But how does Shay respond? Now you can say, well,
how did he respond when they were trailing in the
(34:56):
series against Denver? And the answer to that question is
responded decently. He wasn't great in that game four that
they won. He had twenty five on eight of nineteen,
but then he was exceptional the final three games of
that series, after it was two to two, and then
(35:19):
after falling down a one to Denver, they beat Denver
by forty points. But there's a different type of pressure.
This is a different situation.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
And they need to win convincingly.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Huh, Like I feel like if this is a close game,
and like Indiana just has that, you know, the mindset
of all these games are gonna be close that I
think that they can they can bite okay see and
catch them slacken again.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh so you okay? I thought you meant they need
to win convincingly rather than just win a close one
for like morale purposes. You're saying that they need if
it's if they're not up big there, they risk blowing
it at the end.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, they is blowing it again, I think it. No,
I honestly think they should. They have to try to
take some of the PACER's confidence away. If it's a
close game, then the Pacers are gonna feel like they're
in it the entire time, which they are.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
But well, I'm I'm really impressed by the pacers stamina. Now,
part of this is that the bench that they're playing
all of it.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
But Shay.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
One of the brilliant things about Shay is the dude
never looks tired, never.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Like seconds after he falls down by himself.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, that part's true, but he never He's never like
dripping in sweat, you know what I mean. He always
seems very in control. Yesterday, at the end of the game,
we saw some hands on your knees type of stuff,
and that is what the Pacers do to you. And
so I am listen, I can't front on this. I
(36:55):
just have to be totally candid. I am shocked we're
able to actually analyze this series you guys know what
I thought that I thought it could be four to oh,
that I thought it would be for to one. That
I thought the worst case scenario for OKAC was four
to two. And listen, that's still on the board. Four
(37:18):
to two is still is. I wouldn't be shocked if
OKAC wins the next three. But man, last night's game,
I did not see coming from a mile away. And
people can say it's bad analysis by me, whatever it is,
I don't care, like I just have to be honest
(37:40):
with the audience. I did not see that coming from
a mile away. All right, let's we'll get into the
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let's go to the Knicks head coaching search and a
few other things before I have to get out of here,
because we're doing first things first early today.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So the Knicks were asking a bunch of coaches who
already had jobs to be their next coach after firing Tivs.
Seems like that has not worked out so far. You
said that you haven't closed the door on kid being
the coach. How do you see it playing out now
that all these teams have said no to them?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
All right? Can I listen? This might sound Devil's advocaty,
but can I make the case for the Knicks here?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
All right?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
If you're not worried about that it looks like embarrassing?
What's the harm in asking? So they have now asked
and been rejected as far as not necessarily by the
coach but by the team for the Rockets with Udoka,
(39:51):
the MAVs with Kid, the Timberwolves with Finch, the Hawks
with Quinn Snyder. And there's one other one that I'm forgetting.
I know there's been it's been five teams, the producers maybe, oh,
Billy Donovan with the Bulls. So they have asked about
(40:14):
five head coaches. Now. That seems haphazard and it seems amateurish.
I understand that. But this is the argument that I
would make on the Knick's behalf if they've known all along, Hey,
(40:39):
assistant coach X is someone we are comfortable with. Brew
has talked a lot about Johnny Bryant. Let's just use
him as a placeholder. He used to be here. Are
players liked him? He didn't get the Sun's job right.
They feel that way. They also feel confident that no
(41:00):
other coaches getting fired, like the There's only two teams
left playing, so it'd be kind of and obviously Daggon,
Alton Carlisle aren't getting fired, so they don't have to
worry about anybody potentially jumping them in the line for
one of those assistant coaches. If they have that in
(41:21):
their back pocket, what's the problem being like Hey, awesome coach,
why we'd love to talk to you. Are you interested
in talking to us? And the team saying no, you can't.
They're like, okay, no harm in asking. There is a
(41:43):
there is an element of this that I gotta say,
I almost respect the humility. Well, I mean, I don't
know if it's humility, but like the the lack of
shame in that. Hey, Like, I really there's a If
I'm an NBA coach at this point and the Knicks
(42:03):
haven't asked to talk to me, I'm a little offended.
And like, if you're Eric Spolstra or Joe Missoula, are
you not like, hey, what you don't want to talk
to me?
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
That is insane? Well, I spols was a funny one
because obviously pat Riley, you know, was that go to
the Knicks. He now runs the heat there. But they're no,
Suppo's not going anywhere, Missoula is not going anywhere. curR
is not going anywhere. I understand all that. I but
I'll tell you who and again he they would get rejected.
(42:40):
But my buddy who I just saw uh for the
first time in a few months, Uh Tylo when I
was out in Vegas, if yeah, the tylu Yeah, Kansas
City's own you know, US US US native Kansas Citians
we got. I mean he's from Mexico City, Missouri. But still, uh,
(43:06):
Tyleru's gotta feel like, where's my ask? Why haven't you
asked Balmer to interview me? Now? I don't Again, I
think Balmer would say no, here's the thing, and this
is where I am serious. What is the harm? What
(43:26):
is it? And for everyone making fun of then and
I'm not a Knicks fan, but for everyone making fun
of the Knicks on Twitter, someone finished the thought, this
is awful because dot dot dot they look disorganized.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I mean you go ahead, oh yeah, you fired your
coach and you like had kind of basically no plan
and you can't find one. But you're saying that they
had an assistant coach over there that they trusted in
that scenario, I guess it does make sense.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, and not necessarily one of their own assistants, but
an assistant somewhere else in the league. Here's the thing.
Most teams fire when they fire their coach. It's not
because they knew who the next coach is going to be.
It's because they don't want that guy to be their
coach anymore.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
But I guarantee you most of the candidates that they're
asking for aren't currently employed.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Well right, they're they're not setting their sites high enough,
I guess. Like but when that when the Nuggets fired
Michael Malone, they did not know who that Dave Adelman
was going to get that job. They knew he was
gonna be interim and then they were gonna do a
coaching search. Now, because they played well in the postseason,
they felt they didn't need to do a coaching search.
(44:47):
And so if people want to argue they shouldn't have
fired TIBs, so be it. I think they might be
right about that. I also understand, and this was the
analogy I used on uh the show Yes Yesterday. The
Kansaity Chiefs won double digit games and won the division
(45:08):
basically every year with Alex Smith, but they felt like
there was a hard ceiling, so they were going to
take a risk trade up for you know, a rookie quarterback,
and then after he had basically no experience whatsoever, trade
away Alex Smith, knowing our floor might get way lower,
(45:33):
but we want a chance to win a championship. Now.
That guy ended up being the greatest quarterback to ever
live in Patrick Mahomes. So it worked out beautifully. But
or the on a much briefer scale, the Minnesota Vikings
with Sam Darnold, like, yeah, we won fourteen games, we
made the playoffs. We want a chance, though, to be great,
(45:57):
so we're going to move on from you to me.
He is the logic with what they did with TIBs.
They felt like, you're a good coach, but we are
not going to win four straight rounds if we don't
with this roster, if we don't get an upgraded coach.
So we're gonna roll the dice, and the first dice.
You know, the first half dozen dice rolls are.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
They they went after the best and the brightest. I
don't I think it is a weird look. I don't
think it actually as a tangibly negative impact on them.
All right, let's talk Katie and Giannis.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yanna's shut down any trade rumors that there were a
circulating sin that he would like to be in Milwaukee
next year and win a championship. So that makes the
Katie sweepstakes much more interesting. And Sham's reported that Houston's
San Antotio Miami Minnesota and the Knicks are all interested.
Which team would you see Katie suiting up for? All right,
(46:55):
Jianna is just waiting for Katie. But pick a team
so see where he should go.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
So I'm not ready to say the y honest thing's done.
I don't think the honest thing is guaranteed that he's
asking for a trade. But I certainly don't think it's
guaranteed that he's staying in Milwaukee. But the y honest
trade is going to be more complicated and in two
thirds of the league are going to be interested. There
(47:21):
seems to be a lot of smoke surrounding Durant and
the Spurs. That's a fun one that I'm interested in,
But I do not think that team can win a championship.
I just don't think Wimby is ready yet to.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Be Kevin Durant's goal.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
What a question do you not think it is?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I mean, he wants to go play in San Antonio,
it doesn't necessarily seem like it is. I don't think
that he thinks that he's the missing piece from Santi
Tonio getting to a championship.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Well, and to be fair, we don't know where he
wants to go.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Play but this San Antonio, but it seems like go ahead.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I'm sorry, no, I mean, listen, the Spurs. It's not
like if he were to go to Miami and pick Miami,
then I would say he's not that worried about winning
a title because they can't win. You know, with respect
to him, you'd have to give up something for him,
even if you've got a hero and bam, that team's
(48:31):
not good enough. The Spurs, Castle's good, Dearn Fox is
really good, Wimby has unlimited upside. And if Durant still
feels like and I'm the you know, fifth best player
in the NBA, even if he's closer to the fifteenth
best player in the NBA, Like, it's not like he'd
be going somewhere where they have no shot whatsoever. The
(48:56):
So the Spurs to me are interesting, but it wouldn't
put them over the top. I am those other three teams.
You could maybe convince me on any of them that, man,
that team could win the title if you took away
(49:18):
Jalen Green's minutes and gave them to Kevin Durant. They
beat the Warriors, like, that's that's not even to me
a question. They beat the Warriors, and then they have
a real you know what I mean, a real shot
next year, Shongoon a little better. You know, you're gonna
(49:40):
have a great defense with Udoka Like that, to me,
that team is really interesting. Now that's the perfect, y
honest team. But Houston is really interesting. Anthony Edwards plus Durant,
if Ant can level up just a touch, that one's interesting.
And the n I don't think the Knicks necessarily would
(50:04):
be better than the Knicks with Durant, wouldn't necessarily better
be better than Houston or Minnesota with Durant, but because
one's in the East and ones in the West, like
the Knicks, would be a really fascinating one and one
that I would be really interested in seeing how it
(50:28):
plays out. I do think KD has at least one
more elite year left in the tank. And I also
think people need to understand because of his contract, he's
not easy to trade. So like the idea, I know
(50:48):
that Shams has said, or Shams has said, there are
wild card suitors. You gotta find wild card suitors that
aren't second apron and can get the salaries together and
all of that, And so I would imagine just my
guess that one of the wild card shuters is the Clippers.
(51:11):
That'd be a very hard trade to pull off. And
that's when I wouldn't like, Yeah, i've seen Durant with Harden,
I'm not and like Kawhi's an injury risk, Durant's an
injury risk. I'd like to see Durant be the old
VET on a young team, like you know what I mean.
I think that would be I think that would be fun.
(51:33):
But Durant is one hundred percent getting traded. Yannis might
get traded, and then we'll see what the other moves are.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
All right?
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Do we have a couple listener questions, Demonse, we can
get too quickly before I got to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Uh yeah, we'll catch ass which is more likely Thunder
coming back or Demonte's rec lead team turning it around.
What's the answer, I'd honestly say Demands's league team turning
it around. Wow, I think that the Pacers. I just
think the Pacers are gonna win this series.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Man, that would be great. Can I just say something else?
And I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring my art pods
set up with us to Miami and if the Pacers
win game four Friday night all do sometimes Saturday morning,
(52:28):
some emergency pod type of thing. It would be awesome
if the Pacers win. I'm like, I don't think they're
going to, but it would be awesome. Joseph says, what's
up with the gun show today? Demonse looking all jacked.
You know what's so funny? And this is a compliment, demonsey,
don't take this the wrong way. I actually was thinking
the opposite. I was like, you need to hit those
(52:49):
push ups. You're not as this no for real, like again,
like I mean, you're in great shape and a great athlete,
but just for like when I saw you in your jersey,
I'm like, oh demons than he was a few months like, appreciate.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Than Joseph.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Sorry, but all right, Nick, right, muse what did he say?
Tomase quick grammar.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Check for Nick. I know Nick will appreciate this. He
said change tech a couple of times now on First
Things First and the Herd, and it's changed tech.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Really it's so that, thank you. I do appreciate that.
I have said they need to change their tacked tact
and he's saying that the phrases it needs to change
tack which is T A c K. I didn't know that.
I'll look up why that is. I had no idea,
all right. Appreciate the Blue Dock and Volume folks for
(53:46):
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for DraftKings for being great. Uh, and everybody out west
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Speaker 3 (53:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Stay safe. I'm heading the first things first, then to Miami.
We will talk to you guys, maybe Saturday morning, maybe
Monday morning, definitely Tuesday morning, see you guys. Then we'll
try
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(01:40):
that to me was as stunning of a singular and
I know it was only a five and a half
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as we've had since Game five of MAVs Heat in
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demands is bravely repping his old school Shay Gilgess Alexander
Jersey that was purchased I mean six five years ago,
like right after the thunder got Shay, before he was
(02:22):
anything close to an All star, much less a superstar.
He's repping it right after they have their first, in
my opinion, truly devastating loss of the year. So let's
get into First of all, proud of you, good job
in that regard. Second of all, let's get into the game.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, so you said you said the Pacers had to
win this game, and they went out there and win it.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Their role players showed up.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, ces role players did little for them, shave and
kind of underwhelmed a little bit. Do you think that
that performance is replicable for the Pacers?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, what I think is this. I think we have
something now that I never thought we were gonna have,
which is a real series that could go either way.
And I'm shocked Indy won that game. And I know
I shouldn't be, because again, five and a half point
(03:17):
underdogs win all the time. It's not like and they
were at home. And I understand all of that, I
really do, And if I the only solace I have,
I suppose from a personal perspective, in all, you know
(03:38):
my terrible poker results from last week in Vegas's. Had
I not had terrible poker results last week in Vegas,
I almost assuredly would have fired considerably on the thunder
to win this basketball game. Because I have bought in.
(03:58):
I have bought in the the twenty twenty five Oklahoma
City thunder as far as singular seasons are an all
time team that Indiana did not have an answer for
Shay And as we talked about I think pretty intelligently
on Tuesday, it is just so hard, unless you have
(04:25):
the best defense in basketball to win a championship if
your best player is a pass first guy, if he's
not a just go get you a bucket guy. And
we talked about it on Tuesday that the greatest point
guards we've seen in the history of this league, aside
from Magic Johnson, were not able to crack that code
(04:51):
if they were listen. Steph did it. Obviously he's not
a pass first guy. Zeke did it. He could have
scored more, but also had the best defense in basketball.
But Jason Kidd or Chris Paul or hell Oscar Robertson
before he had a Keeam or Bob Coosey before he
had Russell, Steve Nash, those guys, It's just so hard
(05:15):
because you are going to come again across a team
who's best guy can go get a bucket whenever he
wants And how do you answer that? And again, I'm
not acting as if the Pacers have won the series.
I am acting as if however, we now have a series,
and now all of a sudden, the Pacers have a
(05:36):
game to play with The Pacers demonse go into Game four,
and I'm sure they won't view it this way, but
it's a house money game. They go into Game four saying,
all right, if we win, we have a vice scrip
(05:57):
on this series. And if we lose, we already know
we can win in Oklahoma City. And unlike Game one,
which you give the Pacers credit for their heart and
their grit and all of that, Game one, however, let's
(06:17):
be honest, felt fluky. It felt like, Okay, Oklahoma City
took their eye off the ball for just a minute,
and the Pacers stormed through that door.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Say if this is what they do when they get
they get in those late game situations and they can
overcome it.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think they did it again.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So but that's not what they did here.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Oh yeah, this not in this game. I'm talking about
Game one.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Ok yeah, So here, here's why I'm saying. It didn't
feel fluky that they hit. You know, that Halliburton hit
the game winner. That didn't feel fluky. What felt fluky
was the fact that Oklahoma City led seconds into the
(07:01):
game the Pacers never closed the gap. That it was
a fourteen point game in the fourth quarter and it
was I and all of a sudden, the Pacers have
a chance to steal it. And you're right, that was
the fourth time they've done that in these playoffs. I
(07:23):
get that. So maybe fluky's the wrong word, Jeeves, but
not they weren't gonna win four games that way. They
were not gonna win four games where Oklahoma City dominates
the game and then they come roaring back like they've
won one game a series that way. And then Game two,
(07:43):
when Oklahoma City dominated from start to finish, that felt
to me much more indicative of the game we were
going to get, where the Pacers are good but Oklahoma
City's great, and instead everything you wanted to see from
Indiana they did. They did bother shay More Halliburton was
(08:10):
more aggressive, Siakam was more efficient, and the star of
the game Benedict Mathern, who has had such an interesting playoffs.
So Matherine who the Pacers beat Demond because they never tank,
(08:31):
don't have a lot of super high draft picks on
their team, and in fact, I think, like I don't
know if it's franchise history like the last thirty years
or something, but there's only two guys that they have
drafted in the top nine or something. I'm gonna get
that those details a little wrong, but it's about that
Mathern and a kid who's hurt, and Matherin was kind
(08:56):
of it looked like, oh wait, is he gonna be
odd man out win? In the Cleveland series, Game four,
he basically gets a DMP coaches decision. Game five, he
only plays eleven minutes. Then against the Knicks Game two,
(09:18):
eleven minutes, zero points, Game three, eight minutes, two points,
and it looked like Carlisle was souring on it. And
then Mathern has had in the last six games three
just unbelievable stat lines off the bench. Game four against
(09:42):
the Knicks twelve minutes, twenty points, Game five against the
Knicks twenty five minutes, twenty three points, and then last
night Game three against the Thunder twenty two minutes, twenty
seven points. And I'm gonna pull it up so we
(10:04):
have it exactly. But since he was basically looked like,
oh man, is Carlisle done with him? In the six
games since then, Benedict Mathern has played one hundred and
six minutes and scored ninety three points. The guy is
(10:26):
basically a point a minute over his last six games.
None more important or noteworthy than last night when nobody
had an answer for him, when he just he was
the X factor off the bench for them, and all
(10:48):
I'm just so yes, listen, TJ McConnell did TJ McConnell things.
And he loves getting those steals in the back court.
You know, he's just us up a white man's Jose Alvarado,
like I'm gonna play this scrappy style, I'm gonna annoy you.
(11:08):
He doesn't. He doesn't go out of bounds and and
trick people like that. But he's a past And one
of his steals, the one where he just caught the
inbound pass and laid it up, was one of the
dopest things. That was one of the coolest mini highlights
of the season. Yeah, he just jumped up and grabbed
(11:29):
and laid it up right there again.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Couple.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, And so he had he made three baskets, I
feel like they were and he had five steals. So
TJ McConnell off the bench, five steals, Obi Toppin off
the bench four of five from two and some big rebounds.
And Ben Matherin man nine of twelve, got to the
(11:56):
free throw line eight times, which is another thing he
did against the Nick. He drew foulsand got to the line.
He's plus sixteen and twenty two minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Give is okay? See another thing to have to worry
about one.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Hundred percent and credit where it's due to Halliburton, because
Halliburton the point that I made. Now, let me just
be clear here, my playoff bracket and my playoff predictions
are in shambles. I have been wrong about three series
(12:33):
picks more this playoffs than any playoffs I can remember.
And bet of the Year, which we'll get to later,
is on life supports. It's truly on life support. My
in series analysis has been far better.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
And one of the points that I'm excuse me, I apologize.
One of the points I made after game two was
the Pacers need to recognize you are not playing.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
A good shot, good shot, great shot team. You are
playing a bad shot, decent shot. Take the shot. And
it felt like Halliburton understood that. That Haliburton, when his
teammates go five of twenty one from three, when aside
(13:27):
from Mathern nobody hits more than one three when aside
from Siakam, none of the other starters really seem like
they have it offensively, he understood, I've got to be
a little more aggressive looking for my own shot, and
he did. Now he's still the ball was still popping
(13:48):
and moving, and he's still had his eleven assists, and
he's a rebound shy of a triple double. But he
was a little more aggressive offensively. And here's the other
thing the Pacers do, man, They wear your ass out
where they are. And the part of this is because
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Carlisle trusts the bench like it is remarkable demons that
in a basketball game. That keep in mind, I thought
the thunder kind of stole the game a sneaky what
could have been a sneaky huge moment was the very
(14:32):
end of the third quarter when the Pacers are up
one with thirty five seconds left and Check gets a
dunk and one. Now they're up to McConnell misses a
(14:53):
you know, like a five footer, and then j Dubb
hits a three basically at the core buzzer, and it
went from oh, the Pacers are gonna have the lead
going into the fourth to the Pacers are down five
going into the fourth and then it didn't you know,
they crushed him in the fourth thirty two to eighteen.
(15:14):
But the fact that Halliburton, in what I felt was
a gotta have it, must win game that was nip
and tuck really throughout. He only played thirty six minutes.
Like Halliburton has not played forty minutes in a regulation
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playoff game this year, which is maybe one of the
reasons he's so good at the end. But it de
testament to the Pacers that they're able to do that
have their best player on the bench and not get
blown out. And the Thunder at the end of this
game were the tired team.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Like Indiana seemed like they switched identities with okay See, Yes,
as far as defense, Indiana is a.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Lot more suffocating. They're flying around.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay See was obviously still playing decent defense, but it
just seemed like the Pacers had a lot more energy
on defense.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Well, it looked like he hadn't played in the fourth
quarter at all.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
The listen Pacers thirteen steals, Thunder six Pacers, fourteen turnovers,
Thunder just nineteen All Right'm sorry, Thunder nineteen, not just
nineteen they Pacers won the points off turnovers battle twenty
one to fourteen. They won the fast break points battle
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seventeen to ten. Like a lot of these metrics that
the Thunder have been eating off of, and those aren't
really metrics. Those are just kind of old school stats
eating off of all year, the Pacers won. And for
the Pacers to win that game, when Jadub plays that well,
(17:00):
man oh Man, like, because I thought Jalen Williams was excellent.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
He played well.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I also thought no, no, no. I also thought, for
the first time this series, and one of the only
times all playoffs, it felt like Daggonall was struggling to
find who on my bench do I trust. He threw
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Isaiah Joe in there. Isaiah Joe hit a couple of
threes in a couple minutes. He didn't go back. Aaron
Wiggins didn't have it, Caruso didn't have the impact he'd
been having. It was probably Hartenstein's worst game of the playoffs.
And so even though Cason Wallace played well, Dort played well,
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Jada played excellent, and we'll get to Shay and Chet
in a second, but you can't say either one of
those guys was herrrific, like neither one of those guys
like had just awful awful games. Indy stormed back and
then was in firm control for the second half of
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that fourth quarter. They take the lead with eight minutes
left after being down five going into the quarter and
never relinquish it and stretch it at one point all
the way up to eight points. And credit to the officials,
(18:34):
by the way, for not going flagrant.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Fact yes, yeah, because it would have that all on
the broadcast to a.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Sea which was weird. Like I but again I don't
know the broadcast. It doesn't matter point that like, because
that was it was a terrible Haliburton turnover, probably his
worst moment of the game. And you're up eight with
three minutes left with the ball, you get a bucket.
(19:07):
The game's basically over. What you can't allow is the
live ball turnover transition layup all of a sudden at
six still, what you really can't allow is a four
or five point possession, which is what could have happened
if they would have called a flagrant. They didn't call
a flagrant, and I listen, I thought, Indiana, if I'm
(19:30):
being totally honest, and then we'll get to the okayc
side of things was as funny as odd as this
is Demond's because they've they've been so good when they've
been trailing. I thought Indiana was a little shaky on
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their their late game execution. So with three minutes left,
you have or a two and a half minutes left,
I guess was the Halliburton turnover, and then almost the
flagrant the next possession, Miles Turner turnover the next possession,
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kind of an early in the shot clock Nie Smith three.
Siakam then makes a bucket, calms things down. But then
you're up eight with a minute left and you commit
a dumb foul that you can't do that. The next
possession you commit a foul. Haliburton upset he doesn't get
(20:41):
the call and they commit a foul. You're up seven
with thirty five seconds left, like and the balls eighty
feet from the basket just don't foul. So there were
a few moments late where it looked like Indiana nem
Harden committed a foul with seventeen seconds left. Again, those
things didn't end up mattering, but they could have. But overall, man,
(21:09):
what a what a performance, And it is not lost
on me that I said, this was to me the
most shocking singular Finals game for me since Game five
twenty eleven MAVs heat. And the coach of the team
that pulled off that upset and the coach of the
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team that pulled off this upset are the same guy,
Rick Carlisle, who I imagine once the Finals are over,
the Knicks are gonna say, hey, can we interview him?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
So?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Uh DEMONDI. One of the questions from.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
The chat, oh yeah, so, anonymous three to five four
says Nick, what do you think has been the issue
with a lot of pundits getting behind the Pacers is
a good team?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
A and I's three five four. I've been there with you,
but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So listen. I don't think people have denied that the
Pacers are a good team. I do think people have.
I think it's fair to say people have not acted
as if the fact that they have the second best
record in basketball since and I don't think I've lost
(22:25):
consecutive games since January one. I think that people have
dismissed that, maybe a little more than they should have.
But I think this was less about a dismissal of
Indiana and more about a reverence for Okac, who, if
we're being honest, through two games, controlled ninety six percent
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Speaker 1 (24:56):
All right, demons, let's get to the OKC side of things.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You're better of the year, okay, seys one and a half.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, the series is struggling, so okay, see, he just
needs to win every single game in a row to
close out the series. How do you think that bet
to cash one hundred percent? How do you think that
Okayc's gonna respond now that the pressures on them?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
They are going back to Indiana?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
All right? I know this is cliche. I understand that
this might be too simplistic for some of the more
erudite members of NBA Twitter, but I don't care. Game
four is about one guy and one kind of one
(25:40):
other guy, and that one guy is shit. Shay was
mediocre yesterday. He was nine of twenty. He didn't get
all the Shay calls that he's used to. He turned
the ball over a half dozen times times, he was
(26:02):
targeted a fair amount defensively, and he never even had
like that stretch of the game where it's like, oh
a Shay Gilgess Alexander individual seven to zero run. He
is the league in MVP. He had scored seventy two
points in the first two finals games. He came into
(26:25):
this game with I think the seventh highest finals average
for a single series in league history. He had, you know,
he came into this game averaging thirty six a game
and really being not just the best player on the court,
(26:46):
but head and shoulders markedly better than whomever the second
best player was. And then yesterday he had an off night.
You don't kill him for it, You absolutely, unequivocal, do
not kill him for it. But the pressure is on him.
In game four, we the best player in the league.
(27:10):
Conversation was starting. We were already. I tried to Demanse
thought that I was too premature, and he might have
ended up being right. Some of Demand's playoff takes might
end up aging a lot better than mine.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Go back and watch.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, because after what was it? It was Game four
against Minnesota when I just basically did the thunder have
won the championship but they're not a dynasty yet? The
show Yeah, and you were like, can we slow down
a bit? And I was like, no, we can't. I
(27:51):
think Thunder have won the title now. Demand wanted to
pump the brakes on me. A couple of weeks ago
doing that. I can't imagine how he felt watching Sports TV,
you know, Monday and Tuesday when forget the thunder of
won this title, the thunder have won the next few
like we were a full fledged dynasty discussion in a
(28:11):
lot of places. And by the way, I still think
the thunder are gonna win the series.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You think that's crazy right now? You would pick Indiana.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I'm picking Indiana.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That's I think they're gonna Honestly, this is probably just emotion.
I just don't want okay See to win. I want
the Pacers to win it. I like the Pacers a
lot more. But and I do truly think the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Can win it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I don't think that in the next game exactly what
happened this last game will happen, but the other players
that didn't play to their best standard can make up
for the math room or the TJ McConnell. I think
TJ McConnell's game is pretty replicable. But yeah, I feel
pretty strongly about it.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Okay, if you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, that commentary
from Demonte made total sense. If you're watching on YouTube,
it might be a little confusing, as he is saying,
I just want Indiana to win while proudly wearing his
SGA jersey. So it might be somewhat there might be
(29:14):
a little a little es right, so the that so
I credit to you for that take. I still think
okay See is better and I still think that they are.
While my minus two and a half or minus a
(29:37):
game and a half take is in trouble. Okay Se
still should should have in their back pocket a game
seven in their building, where they have lost two playoff
games all year, both on buzzer beaters. However, in order
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to get to a game seven, they have to win
a game in Indiana and that and Shae is the
guy that in that context has to be better than
he was not in this series or in this postseason.
But then he has then he was last night. The
(30:23):
other guy who I'm going to, you know, shine a
light on.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
A bit.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Is the highest drafted player on this team and the
guy a lot of people thought Shae obviously has superseded
this but had the highest upside of any of these guys,
at least as prospects. And that's Chet. Now, listen, Chet
last night was six of nine inside the arc eight
(30:56):
of nine from the free throw line gave you twenty
and ten. You can't kill Chet for his performance last
night at all. What's odd for him this series is
he just can't hit his three. He's now one for
ten in the series. From three last night took six
of them. And Jalen Williams had been consistent but inefficient
(31:21):
in this series prior to last night. Last night he
was good. He was fifty percent from the field, and
from three last night was Jalen Williams was the best
player on the Thunder. Game four, Shay's got to be
exceptional and Chet's just got to make a few rain shots.
I think they can. I think they will. What do
(31:44):
you think, Demande.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
If I'm guessing you haven't looked. What do you think
the line for Game four is in Indiana?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I'd say Indiana. Uh, it's okay, okay, see minus three.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, see minus six? Jesus Vegas? Is they okay? See
is minus two twenty for the series? Still they're minus
six in this game. I'm telling you the like DraftKings
and Vegas do not believe. And now minus two twenty
(32:32):
isn't minus seven hundred, which is where okay s was
to start the series. But they still think okay See
is in very good shape. Mine it Like, let me
put it like this, minus two twenty would still be
one of the seven biggest finals upsets ever, Like what
(32:58):
okay See is favorite by right now? Down to one
losing that would be the seventh biggest finals upset of
all time. I and here's the other thing. I'm really
excited to see what Shay has for us here because
(33:21):
Jokic is not the right example in this because Jokic
in his one NBA Finals, they lost game one, but
then first of all, that Heat team was wildly overmatched,
and second of all, they you know, they then won
four straight. Yannis's one NBA Finals, however, is an interesting
(33:44):
one where they're down two to Phoenix and he responds
with a forty one thirteen to six, then a twenty
six fourteen to eight, then a thirty two nine and
six including I think that was the game with the
(34:08):
alley the steal by Drew in the alley oop, and
then of course game six he had the fifty and fourteen,
Like how does the MVP scoring champ leader of the team, uh? How?
And the Daniels reminded me Denver lost game two, not
(34:31):
game one. But the point kind of remains, even after
losing game two, they were never really in jeopardy. They
were never they never even more to the point, they
never trailed in the series. Thank you, Daniel, I forgot that.
I just knew they lost one of the first two.
But how does Shay respond? Now you can say, well,
how did he respond when they were trailing in the
(34:56):
series against Denver? And the answer to that question is
responded decently. He wasn't great in that game four that
they won. He had twenty five on eight of nineteen,
but then he was exceptional the final three games of
that series, after it was two to two, and then
(35:19):
after falling down a one to Denver, they beat Denver
by forty points. But there's a different type of pressure.
This is a different situation.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
And they need to win convincingly.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Huh, Like I feel like if this is a close game,
and like Indiana just has that, you know, the mindset
of all these games are gonna be close that I
think that they can they can bite okay see and
catch them slacken again.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh so you okay? I thought you meant they need
to win convincingly rather than just win a close one
for like morale purposes. You're saying that they need if
it's if they're not up big there, they risk blowing
it at the end.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, they is blowing it again, I think it. No,
I honestly think they should. They have to try to
take some of the PACER's confidence away. If it's a
close game, then the Pacers are gonna feel like they're
in it the entire time, which they are.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
But well, I'm I'm really impressed by the pacers stamina. Now,
part of this is that the bench that they're playing
all of it.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
But Shay.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
One of the brilliant things about Shay is the dude
never looks tired, never.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Like seconds after he falls down by himself.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, that part's true, but he never He's never like
dripping in sweat, you know what I mean. He always
seems very in control. Yesterday, at the end of the game,
we saw some hands on your knees type of stuff,
and that is what the Pacers do to you. And
so I am listen, I can't front on this. I
(36:55):
just have to be totally candid. I am shocked we're
able to actually analyze this series you guys know what
I thought that I thought it could be four to oh,
that I thought it would be for to one. That
I thought the worst case scenario for OKAC was four
to two. And listen, that's still on the board. Four
(37:18):
to two is still is. I wouldn't be shocked if
OKAC wins the next three. But man, last night's game,
I did not see coming from a mile away. And
people can say it's bad analysis by me, whatever it is,
I don't care, like I just have to be honest
(37:40):
with the audience. I did not see that coming from
a mile away. All right, let's we'll get into the
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let's go to the Knicks head coaching search and a
few other things before I have to get out of here,
because we're doing first things first early today.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So the Knicks were asking a bunch of coaches who
already had jobs to be their next coach after firing Tivs.
Seems like that has not worked out so far. You
said that you haven't closed the door on kid being
the coach. How do you see it playing out now
that all these teams have said no to them?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
All right? Can I listen? This might sound Devil's advocaty,
but can I make the case for the Knicks here?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
All right?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
If you're not worried about that it looks like embarrassing?
What's the harm in asking? So they have now asked
and been rejected as far as not necessarily by the
coach but by the team for the Rockets with Udoka,
(39:51):
the MAVs with Kid, the Timberwolves with Finch, the Hawks
with Quinn Snyder. And there's one other one that I'm forgetting.
I know there's been it's been five teams, the producers maybe, oh,
Billy Donovan with the Bulls. So they have asked about
(40:14):
five head coaches. Now. That seems haphazard and it seems amateurish.
I understand that. But this is the argument that I
would make on the Knick's behalf if they've known all along, Hey,
(40:39):
assistant coach X is someone we are comfortable with. Brew
has talked a lot about Johnny Bryant. Let's just use
him as a placeholder. He used to be here. Are
players liked him? He didn't get the Sun's job right.
They feel that way. They also feel confident that no
(41:00):
other coaches getting fired, like the There's only two teams
left playing, so it'd be kind of and obviously Daggon,
Alton Carlisle aren't getting fired, so they don't have to
worry about anybody potentially jumping them in the line for
one of those assistant coaches. If they have that in
(41:21):
their back pocket, what's the problem being like Hey, awesome coach,
why we'd love to talk to you. Are you interested
in talking to us? And the team saying no, you can't.
They're like, okay, no harm in asking. There is a
(41:43):
there is an element of this that I gotta say,
I almost respect the humility. Well, I mean, I don't
know if it's humility, but like the the lack of
shame in that. Hey, Like, I really there's a If
I'm an NBA coach at this point and the Knicks
(42:03):
haven't asked to talk to me, I'm a little offended.
And like, if you're Eric Spolstra or Joe Missoula, are
you not like, hey, what you don't want to talk
to me?
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
That is insane? Well, I spols was a funny one
because obviously pat Riley, you know, was that go to
the Knicks. He now runs the heat there. But they're no,
Suppo's not going anywhere, Missoula is not going anywhere. curR
is not going anywhere. I understand all that. I but
I'll tell you who and again he they would get rejected.
(42:40):
But my buddy who I just saw uh for the
first time in a few months, Uh Tylo when I
was out in Vegas, if yeah, the tylu Yeah, Kansas
City's own you know, US US US native Kansas Citians
we got. I mean he's from Mexico City, Missouri. But still, uh,
(43:06):
Tyleru's gotta feel like, where's my ask? Why haven't you
asked Balmer to interview me? Now? I don't Again, I
think Balmer would say no, here's the thing, and this
is where I am serious. What is the harm? What
(43:26):
is it? And for everyone making fun of then and
I'm not a Knicks fan, but for everyone making fun
of the Knicks on Twitter, someone finished the thought, this
is awful because dot dot dot they look disorganized.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I mean you go ahead, oh yeah, you fired your
coach and you like had kind of basically no plan
and you can't find one. But you're saying that they
had an assistant coach over there that they trusted in
that scenario, I guess it does make sense.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, and not necessarily one of their own assistants, but
an assistant somewhere else in the league. Here's the thing.
Most teams fire when they fire their coach. It's not
because they knew who the next coach is going to be.
It's because they don't want that guy to be their
coach anymore.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
But I guarantee you most of the candidates that they're
asking for aren't currently employed.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Well right, they're they're not setting their sites high enough,
I guess. Like but when that when the Nuggets fired
Michael Malone, they did not know who that Dave Adelman
was going to get that job. They knew he was
gonna be interim and then they were gonna do a
coaching search. Now, because they played well in the postseason,
they felt they didn't need to do a coaching search.
(44:47):
And so if people want to argue they shouldn't have
fired TIBs, so be it. I think they might be
right about that. I also understand, and this was the
analogy I used on uh the show Yes Yesterday. The
Kansaity Chiefs won double digit games and won the division
(45:08):
basically every year with Alex Smith, but they felt like
there was a hard ceiling, so they were going to
take a risk trade up for you know, a rookie quarterback,
and then after he had basically no experience whatsoever, trade
away Alex Smith, knowing our floor might get way lower,
(45:33):
but we want a chance to win a championship. Now.
That guy ended up being the greatest quarterback to ever
live in Patrick Mahomes. So it worked out beautifully. But
or the on a much briefer scale, the Minnesota Vikings
with Sam Darnold, like, yeah, we won fourteen games, we
made the playoffs. We want a chance, though, to be great,
(45:57):
so we're going to move on from you to me.
He is the logic with what they did with TIBs.
They felt like, you're a good coach, but we are
not going to win four straight rounds if we don't
with this roster, if we don't get an upgraded coach.
So we're gonna roll the dice, and the first dice.
You know, the first half dozen dice rolls are.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
They they went after the best and the brightest. I
don't I think it is a weird look. I don't
think it actually as a tangibly negative impact on them.
All right, let's talk Katie and Giannis.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yanna's shut down any trade rumors that there were a
circulating sin that he would like to be in Milwaukee
next year and win a championship. So that makes the
Katie sweepstakes much more interesting. And Sham's reported that Houston's
San Antotio Miami Minnesota and the Knicks are all interested.
Which team would you see Katie suiting up for? All right,
(46:55):
Jianna is just waiting for Katie. But pick a team
so see where he should go.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
So I'm not ready to say the y honest thing's done.
I don't think the honest thing is guaranteed that he's
asking for a trade. But I certainly don't think it's
guaranteed that he's staying in Milwaukee. But the y honest
trade is going to be more complicated and in two
thirds of the league are going to be interested. There
(47:21):
seems to be a lot of smoke surrounding Durant and
the Spurs. That's a fun one that I'm interested in,
But I do not think that team can win a championship.
I just don't think Wimby is ready yet to.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Be Kevin Durant's goal.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
What a question do you not think it is?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I mean, he wants to go play in San Antonio,
it doesn't necessarily seem like it is. I don't think
that he thinks that he's the missing piece from Santi
Tonio getting to a championship.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Well, and to be fair, we don't know where he
wants to go.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Play but this San Antonio, but it seems like go ahead.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I'm sorry, no, I mean, listen, the Spurs. It's not
like if he were to go to Miami and pick Miami,
then I would say he's not that worried about winning
a title because they can't win. You know, with respect
to him, you'd have to give up something for him,
even if you've got a hero and bam, that team's
(48:31):
not good enough. The Spurs, Castle's good, Dearn Fox is
really good, Wimby has unlimited upside. And if Durant still
feels like and I'm the you know, fifth best player
in the NBA, even if he's closer to the fifteenth
best player in the NBA, Like, it's not like he'd
be going somewhere where they have no shot whatsoever. The
(48:56):
So the Spurs to me are interesting, but it wouldn't
put them over the top. I am those other three teams.
You could maybe convince me on any of them that, man,
that team could win the title if you took away
(49:18):
Jalen Green's minutes and gave them to Kevin Durant. They
beat the Warriors, like, that's that's not even to me
a question. They beat the Warriors, and then they have
a real you know what I mean, a real shot
next year, Shongoon a little better. You know, you're gonna
(49:40):
have a great defense with Udoka Like that, to me,
that team is really interesting. Now that's the perfect, y
honest team. But Houston is really interesting. Anthony Edwards plus Durant,
if Ant can level up just a touch, that one's interesting.
And the n I don't think the Knicks necessarily would
(50:04):
be better than the Knicks with Durant, wouldn't necessarily better
be better than Houston or Minnesota with Durant, but because
one's in the East and ones in the West, like
the Knicks, would be a really fascinating one and one
that I would be really interested in seeing how it
(50:28):
plays out. I do think KD has at least one
more elite year left in the tank. And I also
think people need to understand because of his contract, he's
not easy to trade. So like the idea, I know
(50:48):
that Shams has said, or Shams has said, there are
wild card suitors. You gotta find wild card suitors that
aren't second apron and can get the salaries together and
all of that, And so I would imagine just my
guess that one of the wild card shuters is the Clippers.
(51:11):
That'd be a very hard trade to pull off. And
that's when I wouldn't like, Yeah, i've seen Durant with Harden,
I'm not and like Kawhi's an injury risk, Durant's an
injury risk. I'd like to see Durant be the old
VET on a young team, like you know what I mean.
I think that would be I think that would be fun.
(51:33):
But Durant is one hundred percent getting traded. Yannis might
get traded, and then we'll see what the other moves are.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
All right?
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Do we have a couple listener questions, Demonse, we can
get too quickly before I got to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Uh yeah, we'll catch ass which is more likely Thunder
coming back or Demonte's rec lead team turning it around.
What's the answer, I'd honestly say Demands's league team turning
it around. Wow, I think that the Pacers. I just
think the Pacers are gonna win this series.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Man, that would be great. Can I just say something else?
And I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring my art pods
set up with us to Miami and if the Pacers
win game four Friday night all do sometimes Saturday morning,
(52:28):
some emergency pod type of thing. It would be awesome
if the Pacers win. I'm like, I don't think they're
going to, but it would be awesome. Joseph says, what's
up with the gun show today? Demonse looking all jacked.
You know what's so funny? And this is a compliment, demonsey,
don't take this the wrong way. I actually was thinking
the opposite. I was like, you need to hit those
(52:49):
push ups. You're not as this no for real, like again,
like I mean, you're in great shape and a great athlete,
but just for like when I saw you in your jersey,
I'm like, oh demons than he was a few months like, appreciate.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Than Joseph.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Sorry, but all right, Nick, right, muse what did he say?
Tomase quick grammar.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Check for Nick. I know Nick will appreciate this. He
said change tech a couple of times now on First
Things First and the Herd, and it's changed tech.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Really it's so that, thank you. I do appreciate that.
I have said they need to change their tacked tact
and he's saying that the phrases it needs to change
tack which is T A c K. I didn't know that.
I'll look up why that is. I had no idea,
all right. Appreciate the Blue Dock and Volume folks for
(53:46):
fixing our technical difficulties. Appreciate Boost Mobile for sponsoring the show,
for DraftKings for being great. Uh, and everybody out west
for getting up early.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Stay safe. I'm heading the first things first, then to Miami.
We will talk to you guys, maybe Saturday morning, maybe
Monday morning, definitely Tuesday morning, see you guys. Then we'll
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