October 30, 2025 • 25 mins
Yeah so.. Dana Whie fo sure hates his heavyweight champion Tom Aspinall. And We’ve seen this playbook before. Lets Talk
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so we are back on the way concept
presented by The Ring magazine, and today I wanted to
make this video. I really wanted to make it in
the last video we did. I know I'm talking a
lot about UFC three twenty one and tom Asminal, Surrill, gun,
John Jones, this entire saga, but I can't.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Get enough of it. I'm enjoying dipping my toe back
in the MMA space as well.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Who knows, maybe maybe it's not a toe dip, maybe
we diving. But today I said something on Twitter after
UFC three twenty one that I am starting to see
more and more as a reality of the situation, and
that is Dana White hates Tom Aspinall. I can't unsee it.
It seems like every time I look in an interaction
with those two, and especially it had the post fight
(00:40):
pres conference with Dana White after Tom Aspinall gets poked
in his eyes and again not his fault, can't really
do anything about it and can't continue fighting because he.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Can't see because both of his eiesmen poke.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Dana had a let's just say, less than supportive response,
which I pointed out here seems pretty insane because that's
his heavyweight champion of the world. And I just quote
tweeted a happy Bunch tweet by saying, oh yeah, no,
Dana hates tom Aspinall because of the video we're about
to watch.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Why does this keep happening?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's a familiar pattern, Dana White having issues at the
top of the food chain, especially with his heavyweight champions.
And I'm gonna get into what I think is exactly why.
It's not just money that's part of it, but it's
a long list of things. What do I mean the breakdown?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
All right, so here's Dana White talking about the surrill
Gan tom Aspinall situation after the fight on Saturday night,
and let's just hear his response to what it is
that happened and the questions being asked, and just how
the headman of the UFC goes about answering what clearly
(01:47):
was not tom Aspinall's fault getting poked in his eyeballs,
and how he's there to either support or promote his
heavyweight champion.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Let's take a listen at this obviously not a way
we want to see a main event and any fight
and gives your reaction to the IPI you can how
it went out.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I mean, I feel the way everybody feels great showing
shitty ending. You know, I think that after the Jones fight,
a lot of people wrote Cyril gone off. He looked
damn good tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, what did you think about the all right?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So first off, yes, what Dana says is true, Like
a lot of people did write Cyril gone off for
this fight. Cyril performed better than a lot of people
thought he would. Tom, I thought, performed how I assumed
he would in the first round. I thought the second
would be a little bit of a different story. But
Cyril was better than I thought he would be, and
a lot of people thought he would be. And for
the people that thought Tom was just gonna bulldoze Cyrill,
(02:43):
this was a reality check that mma math doesn't work.
Just because John Jones beat someone in two minutes doesn't
mean that because Tom you feel is better than John Jones,
he's gonna beat him even quicker.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Right, It's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Styles make fights, and that's why you can't make the
comparison on the other side that John Jones is so
much better than Tom Asminal because he beat Cyril gun. Yes,
it's a common opponent. But by that logic, like it
took John Jones' decision to beat and he really didn't
beat Dominic Reis or the Gusts in first fight, Like
you could do that all day and be like, well
this guy beat him better, doesn't really matter. But notice there,
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Dana didn't answer his thoughts on the ipoke. He just said,
I feel how everybody feels. And Surrell looked good.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Nothing about Tom there.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
From what did you take from those four minutes?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Looked like we're in for a few rounds and it
was gonna be a good fight.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It would seem obvious that a rematch is right on
the carse would you'd like to just read book these
guys as soon as Tom is able to get back.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
In the Yeah, total pain in the ass, but yes, yeah,
have you.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Got any met again? It's a total pain in the ass.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And he's right, yeah, it's a pain in the ass
to have to do this again, But there is a
silver lining that, yes, you now get maybe a bigger
fight than you would have. This is one of the
worst things that could have possibly happened on this card,
for sure, especially seeing as the UFC has this relationship
with you know, Abu Dhabi in the Middle East, and
this is them paying a shit ton of money for
this fight to kind of flop like it not even
kind of it flopped, and so did.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
The majority of the card.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Really, there were great performances, but as far as name
value monetary value, the whole thing wasn't a ton of
starmaking performances. Outside of quilling sylkilled that guy. I'm gonna
be watching every one of his next fights. But look
at Dana's attitude toward it. It seems like he's just
more upset, like you know, paint in the ass, we
gotta do this again, not like, oh, I hope my
heavyweight champion is all right.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't know it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Just watching him answer these questions, there isn't really any
thought given to the actual epoke and how it's affecting Tom.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
More so just like, ugh, gotta.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Do this shit again, like he does. It seems like
he doesn't want to deal with this situation. And not
just asthmental gone, but really Tom aspinall again. I could
be reading too much in but that's just the way
I'm hearing him. It almost seems distraught and kind of
like I'm fed up with it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
The club day on tom or is it still in
too soon?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
He's on his way to the hospital.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's a bit of a weird question, right it was
he's ruled a no contest because of an unintentional eyepike?
What does it take to make an ipoke intentional? And
is there even a way you could ever prove that?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Who the fuck knows? Who gives a shit? What are
you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I don't mind the answer you could tell he's Feta
is pissed that this is the way the thing ended.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And I get it. We're all pissed.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's not the way we wanted that fight to go.
But it's a good question. That's Oscar Willis with the
MacLife asking about the intentionality of strikes and how do
you even determine it, because essentially this fight was ruled
a no contest because they determined that, and I think
rightfully that Cyril accidentally eye poked him, and because the
intention was not mal malintent pars that you can't disqualify him,
(05:44):
and because Cyril was probably.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Winning that round.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now there is a bit of a gray area when
you talk about the intentionality of strikes landing and what
that means like, does it matter if you intentionally foul
someone because you still fouled them, you still have to
pay the price for fouling them. This is why I'm
in favor of taking points immediately, no warnings involved. But
if the fight is stopped, should that not be a DQ?
Should it be a no constest? I really don't know.
I feel like a no contest is the right call
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because it was so early in the fight, because.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Again, to me, was a mistake. That if sirill Gun.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Makes that mistake whilst winning, I don't know, it just
doesn't feel right to go full on DQ. But he
is the reason that the fight was stopped. He is
the reason that the fight could not continue, and it
was because of a foul. So it's a good question.
But you hear Dana like a who gives a shit?
It just I don't know, it feels like.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
A checked out Dana White.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It does when he answers questions like that, like not
even giving time to answer in a way that you
know he could spin it into promoting the next event
or spin it into all right, you know, we do
have to figure this out because I'm tired of this
shit happening. Here's what I'm gonna do. Here's how I'm
gonna make a difference to eliminate this from the sport.
And I don't know that you can with ipokes. I
(06:49):
don't know that you can in any way. Sure it's
not gonna happen, but just that the answer itself is
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He's like, I don't who gives a shit? Who the
fuck knows? Who gives a shit?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That doesn't scream again, that's locked in when his heavyweight champ,
potentially at this point he doesn't know, has got a
really bad eye injury, and he's like, a who gives
a fuck?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You know, Like that's kind of crazy to hear.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I know, we you know, tried to do new gloves
before and that kind of didn't work out. Is there
anything we can do to stop these iposts? Would you
have a look at maybe trying to change the gloves
again or is it just part of the sport? Just
shit happens.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean, no matter what you do with the glove,
I mean, they're gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And what do you think for the rest of the
it is gonna happen regardless. I do think they should
change the gloves I think that the Pride style glove
where they cut the hands purposely, even if your hands
are open, that they're gonna have the fingers kind of
bent back towards you more than straight out.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But then again, if you raise.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
The hand up and those curved gloves are this way,
if you're trying to catch stuff, then I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You're never gonna fix it completely.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But it's funny when when Oscar Willis talks about, you know,
we tried the new gloves for a little bit, and
then the new gloves when the UFC.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Introduced him, were a bit more curved. They did have
a bit more of a curve. Richard to him.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And funny enough, the guy that had the most trouble
with him and didn't want to wear him, and I'm
not I don't know if it was solely because of him,
but they tried him out. John Jones fucking hated them,
didn't want to wear him, refused to wear him against
surreal God. And then they did go back to the
original glove. Most people said that was because of the
issue of guys not knocking people out and you know,
fights not being as explosive. I don't know the reason
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but one of the bigger people that had an issue
with the New Gloves when they tried him was the
serial iepoker himself, the man that should be in a
mo and curly three stooges skit.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's John Jones.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
He was gouging eyes, dude, like it was almost like
sign language. The way he was poking fingers out at people.
It was clear he was a problem and still is
if he ever fights again. So I don't know if
that has anything to do with why the Gloves went
the other way, but we all know that Dana, he
fancies himself some John Jones as the goat, so you
can tell where he's leaning in that back and forth.
If if John or Tom were to have an issue,
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he's gonna side with John Jones.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
And I know that you said you'd want to do
the rematch between some and so it's very fresh. But
any potential timeline for that, like maybe January the kick
off the Paramount card.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, I mean they're both in shape other than whatever's
wrong with his eye. You know, both guys are not
injured or so as soon as possible, thank you, Thank you, Den.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
What about what I think that if Tom, which we've
seen Tom's video.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Now we did a breakdown on that a couple of
days ago. I think that if if Tom is healthy,
then it would be a perfect situation. I mean, knock
on wood, nothing bad happens again, because you can't have
a you can't have oh God, I don't want to
put it out there. You can't have another flop for
your first fight on Paramount. If you guys remember the
(09:46):
JDS and Caine fight, I think was the one on
Fox when they debuted, and it was a something I
forgot what happened, but it was a shitty first debut
when the UFC first went to Fox, it was not
a great night.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You can't have that kind of thing happen.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So again, hopefully nothing bad would happen again for these two,
but that would be a perfect landing spot for Tom.
Asmin on, it's a real God is that first Paramount
card in January Because you're kind of booked out to
the end of the year and you do want to
make a splash on that first card. They were thinking
maybe it'll be Ilia, maybe not. Now you have a
perfect opportunity to slide this fight in there. People are
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going to be more interested in it and there's gonna
be a bit more of a buzz based off this
first fight, based off the controversy, and based off the
performance of both guys in the time that we saw
them fight.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So I think that would be a perfect spot up
the rule.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
It's only the second time in a championship fight that
we do have a no contest for such thing. We
just have to go by the judges and the fighters will.
That's just the way it is for him to say
after fight minutes like in no longer continue. What I'm
trying to figure out is is there a different levels
(10:58):
of iBooks? Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Nobody sees what you're saying, sir.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What kind of question was that?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I guess what the guy's asking is like, is there
a way to determine severity of ipokes and is there
a way to based off that delineate between no contest
and disqualification? And the answer as of right now, I
don't think unless you saw like a John Jones thing
where his hand is fully extended and his fingers are
parallel to the ground, he is like, you know, on purpose,
(11:30):
like I'm gonna stab you in the eyes of you
come any closer type of thing, like he's jabbing with
his hand open and he's like, ah, I don't I
don't know if there's a way to determine intentionality, but
that would be the way to delineate between no contest
and disqualification.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I think it was mme.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Guru that that said he would like to see if
you're down on the scorecards and you do something like that,
then yeah, you're getting dc'ed. If you're up, then no contest.
But I don't know, man, I think there just needs
to be a clear, one rule application for everything. If
that means you get dq'ed as soon as you I
poke someone and they can't continue, then fair.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Okay. If that's what we need to do to.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Make a concrete rule on these things, yeah it's gonna suck,
but that at least discourages it to a point of like,
I may lose if I do this, even if it's
an accident, so let me be extra cautious on it, right,
Like we have these kind of things in place for
head kicks when people are on the ground or you
know what used to be twelve to six elbows, Like
those things are pretty hard stance. You don't do them
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or you get dqu'ed. Maybe we can do something like
daff eye godget.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
It's only up to the fighter to stay whether or
not he wants to continue.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, that's just the way it is.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, yeah, what I'm gonna say, Uh, Hey, Tom, I
guess no, you're gonna keep fighting?
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Cereal try to tell him or go toward him, And
Jason Arisox said don't talk to the opening at that point,
so I guess they were trying to figure out to
one another.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You can't just like, you know, I can't make people fight,
right I if I want to together and fight, I
can't make people fight. And you definitely can't make somebody
continue if they if they feel they've been injured. Only
Tom knows what happened, you know, could he see? Couldn't
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he see? Could he continue? Only he knows that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
This is what I'm talking about. Man, Again, you see
the way he answers that question.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now again, the question was asked really weird, like, oh,
only only the fighter can determined that, And he kind
of walked Dana into saying like again, how do we
make a concrete ruling here? But again, we're talking about
Tom's choice, in Dana's words, choice only he can decide
whether he wants to fight or not to continue fighting
with with no vision in one eye and blurry vision
in the other. Versus Again, I don't think Cyril did
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it on purpose, but Surrel committed the foul.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
He is in the wrong here. Tom is not in
the wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And the same way I said this about Hendry Suhuto
and song youa dong where he got song you donged
in his fucking eyeballs. You can look at this fighter
as a referee and ask him what he wants to do.
And that's a terrible way of judging in my opinion,
because the ruleship techt a fighter in this moment more
so than the old you know, pull yourself up by
your bootstraps and get on with it, fighter, because in
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every scenario where a fighter not every but a lot
of scenarios where a fighter continues on after being eye gouged,
they lose DC and the Steep Bay fight Steepe in
the DC trilogy as well, Henry Sejudo sag you don't.
These are things that continually happen because they're compromised. And
for Dana to sit there and talk about, well, only
Tom knows if he could see or not. And I
can't make guys fight. I can't make them while not
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giving any sort of like, hey, yeah, it's a real
fucked up it's his fault that this happened. And if
he doesn't do that, then we're not having this discussion.
We don't hear that from Dana. I mean, he's not
saying it, but he's kind of saying only Tom knows
if he was really hurt or not. Only Tom knows
if he was looking for a way out or not.
Like he's not saying those specific words, but he's essentially
doing that, and that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Tom. We saw go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
He described it as his eyeball feeling like his his
eyeballways poked into the back of his skull.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's what happened. Dude.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Again, I don't think the intentionality really matters when we're
talking about who should be, you know, receiving the blame
for this, and it really shouldn't even be like a
who should be receiving the blame?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
How do we go.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Forward having confidence in the heavyweight champion of the world
if not only the online fan base is like, ah,
look at Tom, scared quitter blah. You have the freaking
head of the UFC being like, well, I don't really know.
I can't make him fight. You know, he knows what
are we doing. I was disappointed in the way this
fight was built up. I'm more disappointed in the way
this is being handled the presser.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
This is crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You try not to venture into like having personal bias,
but Dana clearly likes some fighters and doesn't like others.
I don't know how you look at this and don't
think Dana has a bias, so like, not like tom aspinall,
because that's what he's telling us here.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
First of all, I can sit here right now. The
fight just got over, however long ago. What makes sense
is to do the rematch. It makes sense, you know,
sitting here tonight, So yeah, that makes sense. I'm not
saying that's what's gonna happen. Anything happened between now and
you know when I get him. We're not talking this Tuesday.
I go from here to Saudi. I go to Qatar
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than Saudi. I'm still here for another eight or nine days,
so I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm not saying
anybody is gonna be a number one contender outside of
Cyril Gone. I don't know. But right here, right now,
being honest, which I never do this ever, is talk
about you know what next fight's gonna happen. The rematch
is what makes sense.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He's talking like the rematch may not even be the
thing he wants to do or that they go with.
He's like, I'm not saying that's what happens next, but
it makes sense. If you don't give this fight a rematch,
that would be even worse. I mean, yeah, you could
do like imagine Tom is like, oh, I'm not gonna
give that guy a rematch, that cheater or whatever, and
you do Tom versus Volkov two.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Ah, you have to ride this wave. You have to.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I think Dana wants to see it out and see
the rematch, but there's so much now built up to
this fight, there's so much attention around it. It would
be a flat fucking miss to not do it again. Ironically,
this ipoke has garnered more attention around this fight than
it ever had before any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
This fight, it was a big fight.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
For the people in the in the MMA space, but
now it's reaching other levels of casual fans that are
going to be locked in for the second one because
they're on one of two sides. They're on the Syrilla
as a cheater. Fuck that guy. I hope Tom knocks
him outside or Tom aspin I'll quit. He didn't want
no part of it. I hope Cyril gets the job
done even more this time. Like you're seeing these splits
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happen right now in the MMA scene and you have
to run with it.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
With the few things we've seen into this fight, I
feel like Cyril was doing pretty well. Do you feel
the same, and do you feel that he's earned respect
so that people would care even more when you make
this fight again and the odds would be more equivalent.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yes, yes, I agree. I think that I said earlier
because of the John Jones fight. I think everybody was
sleeping on Cyril Gune and and sort of rote him off.
I agree, And he's right behind me. He's coming in next,
so you guys can ask him how he felt. But
I feel like, you know, I'm sure in his camp
he was training like a animal for this fight, and
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it's unfortunate that it ended the way that it did.
And yes, I think that there probably will be a
lot more interest in the rematch after they saw you know,
I mean he had Tom bloodied up, and uh, you
know Tom didn't want to continue in the fight. So
God rematches very interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
You only answer a question that way if you fucking
hate your heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You can't convince me otherwise.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yes, the question was asked about Cyril, but Dana attributes
all of the things that happened good in the.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Fight to just Cyril.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
God, you hear him talking about you know, people wrote
Cerril off. I agree with him, by the way, but
based on the John Jones fight, people did write Cerel
gone off and say that Tom was gonna run through him.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And all that.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But you hear him then go, yeah, you know, I
bet Cyril was training like an animal for this, not
mentioning that Tom Aspinall has been off for fifteen months,
he was probably training his ass off too. No, and
mostly the time he took off was because he was
trying to lobby for a John Jones fight that the
UFC never got done for. This is the way a
fan of Cyrill or John Jones and a hater of
Tom Aspinall speaks. Again, maybe it's just me reading too
(19:08):
much into it. That sounds like coded language like yeah,
Tom didn't want it anymore, you know, like, yeah, he
had him blooded up and he just didn't want to go.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, he got his eyes gouged and he couldn't see.
What are we talking about? This is your heavyweight champion.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And again I have to think you only speak this
way if you have a preconceived bias. And I say
preconceived because I don't think this just developed tonight. I
don't think this just happened where you know, Dana just decided,
Oh fuck Tom Aspinall, he's a quitter or whatever. Think
it's because the things we've talked about in previous videos,
like something like this this week from Andy Aspinall, which
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by the way, I will say is a terrible, terrible
thing for Andy Aspinall, Tom's father and head coach to
be doing during fight week, talking about how he's going
to take Tom out of MMA and take him into
boxing because the pay's better over there, they only have
a couple fights left, and that he doesn't want him
to sign a new contract with the UFC. This is
stuff that you don't do as the sitting heavyweight champion
because all it does is burn bridges with the decision
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makers at the UFC.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
You said that you wanted a box some championship. You're
okay with an MMA champion, but would you wanted a
buck some champion boxing for.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Shure more money? Why?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I know?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Would that? Would that be an outcome?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Friend?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
No, he's three more fights on the contract, fight Oka,
So I don't want to sign in new comfort.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Okay, firston left.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So now that was before the fight.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Tom now has two fights left on his deal, and man,
I just have a feeling it's going to be a
rough two fights.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
They're going to try to give.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Tom aspinall because again, if you remember back when Dana
White had issues with Francis and Ganho heading into the
last part of his career, Remember Dana White was all
about the Francis and Gan who trained when he was
gonna fight step A for the first time. Dana White,
remember he had some issues with Steve A at that time.
All the talk was about Francis, how he hits harder
than a Chevy Cruz going twenty miles an hour or something,
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and how he's the most devastating whatever in heavyweight history.
This is all things that were being said about Francis
and Gan Who before the first steep A fight, and
then step A beats Francis. I'm pretty sure Dana didn't
put the belt on stepe after he beat Francis again,
a little sign that there wasn't a great relationship there.
I think step A took the belt, gave it to
his coach, and let the coach put it on him.
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And then Dana got in the press conference afterward and
I think was trashing Francis a little bit. He wasn't prepared,
he was smelling the roses and all that, and then
he got back on the Francis train. Francis started to
get those wins back and beat step A the second time,
and all of a sudden, Dana White was saying John
Jones shouldn't come up and fight Francis and god who,
he don't want that smoke essentially. And then as things
played out a little further and Francis got toward the
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end of that contract, and you started to hear Dana
White talk about how Francis had the wrong people around
him and how he was hard to deal with, and
Dana can be right about all those things. And it
maybe is that we're seeing more and more now with Francis.
But the point I'm making is this is a pattern
of behavior. If you give Dana an opportunity to look
at you as somebody that's not going to be good
for business, that someone that doesn't want to do business,
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or that someone that's gonna turn their back on the UFC,
he's not gonna like you. And this is why I
think he's starting to hate the Aspinalls and Tom Aspinall
in general. Not to mention one of the cardinal sins
when you're dealing with Dana White, one of the things
he hates more than anything. And I agree with him
on this is a champion that won't fight his friends.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Again, It's not like any.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Other sport where you're playing the sport against your friend,
but this is fighting, so emotions can can dictate how
you defend whatever. Here's Dana White responding to Tom Asminal saying, essentially,
he wouldn't fight one of his friends that just entered
the UFC, but.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
The guy that's currently ranked umber Tenne IS's friend Anti Delijah,
and he would vacate the title if Delijah got to
a point where he was going to fight for the title.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
He's one of like my genuine friends, I'll vacate it
and he can have his time.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Really, I wouldn't fight him.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
There's some stuff to me that's like more important than
money on titles.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You know what I think about that. I hate that.
You know, you know, many friends, relatives, name it, have
all fought each other before. You know, it doesn't determine
whether you are friends with somebody or you hate somebody.
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You're competing against them to see who the best is.
But that's his decision, you know. You know, if he
defends the title and does whatever he does. To even
think about vacating it because you don't want to compete
against somebody is absolutely insane. But he's a grown man.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's up to him. This is the type of stuff
I'm telling you. It's been building now, and this was
just this week. This was just this fight week, So
I have to think it's been building for a while now.
But when you see all this evidence laid out, I
think my assumption here is pretty clear data. White fucking
hates Tom Aspital. I think he hates dealing with him
or his dad. I think he hates the outcome of
this fight and probably attributes it more to Tom than
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he does surreal gone, which I think is insane, and
I think potentially this could be also a part of
this John Jones discussion that's been going on for the
last it feels like a year now about who is
the best in the world or top pound for pound
number one. Dana has always had issues with John Jones,
but for whatever reason recently had stuck by him for
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power for pound, for best ever, for best in the
UFC right now, and even after the Tom Aspenall fight
fell through, he is still somewhat taking that side of things,
which as the promoter, I feel like you could, you
don't have to do that. Dan has always run it
his way and he's gotten personal with people before the
Tito Wertez of the world, which I think he was
right about in some cases.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
He had his grievances and he was fair there as well.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
But you know, Francis and Ganu, and there's been so
many But I just feel like this is the worst
thing that could possibly happen for tom Aspenall right now
is the pylon effect that's happening online, the ipoke of doom,
his dad saying a lot of these things this week.
I think that was a terrible move, him saying he
doesn't want to defend versus his friends, the idea of
him moving to boxing and leaving the heavyweight division.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
All of it is bad.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And now he essentially has to fight serial God and
the UFC in this rematch in January, and hope to
God nothing bad happens, because as of right now, all
blade all hatred from the top from the decision makers
at the UFC, with Tom still having two fights left,
they don't like him. That's what I think, you guys,
let me know down below. I don't think this thing
is gonna get better before it gets worse. I hope so,
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but it doesn't look like this relationship is panning out.
We've seen this story before. It usually ends ugly. What
do you think happens? Don't have those answers, but I
guess we'll find out
All right, so we are back on the way concept
presented by The Ring magazine, and today I wanted to
make this video. I really wanted to make it in
the last video we did. I know I'm talking a
lot about UFC three twenty one and tom Asminal, Surrill, gun,
John Jones, this entire saga, but I can't.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Get enough of it. I'm enjoying dipping my toe back
in the MMA space as well.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Who knows, maybe maybe it's not a toe dip, maybe
we diving. But today I said something on Twitter after
UFC three twenty one that I am starting to see
more and more as a reality of the situation, and
that is Dana White hates Tom Aspinall. I can't unsee it.
It seems like every time I look in an interaction
with those two, and especially it had the post fight
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pres conference with Dana White after Tom Aspinall gets poked
in his eyes and again not his fault, can't really
do anything about it and can't continue fighting because he.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Can't see because both of his eiesmen poke.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Dana had a let's just say, less than supportive response,
which I pointed out here seems pretty insane because that's
his heavyweight champion of the world. And I just quote
tweeted a happy Bunch tweet by saying, oh yeah, no,
Dana hates tom Aspinall because of the video we're about
to watch.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Why does this keep happening?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's a familiar pattern, Dana White having issues at the
top of the food chain, especially with his heavyweight champions.
And I'm gonna get into what I think is exactly why.
It's not just money that's part of it, but it's
a long list of things. What do I mean the breakdown?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
All right, so here's Dana White talking about the surrill
Gan tom Aspinall situation after the fight on Saturday night,
and let's just hear his response to what it is
that happened and the questions being asked, and just how
the headman of the UFC goes about answering what clearly
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was not tom Aspinall's fault getting poked in his eyeballs,
and how he's there to either support or promote his
heavyweight champion.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Let's take a listen at this obviously not a way
we want to see a main event and any fight
and gives your reaction to the IPI you can how
it went out.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I mean, I feel the way everybody feels great showing
shitty ending. You know, I think that after the Jones fight,
a lot of people wrote Cyril gone off. He looked
damn good tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, what did you think about the all right?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So first off, yes, what Dana says is true, Like
a lot of people did write Cyril gone off for
this fight. Cyril performed better than a lot of people
thought he would. Tom, I thought, performed how I assumed
he would in the first round. I thought the second
would be a little bit of a different story. But
Cyril was better than I thought he would be, and
a lot of people thought he would be. And for
the people that thought Tom was just gonna bulldoze Cyrill,
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this was a reality check that mma math doesn't work.
Just because John Jones beat someone in two minutes doesn't
mean that because Tom you feel is better than John Jones,
he's gonna beat him even quicker.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Right, It's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Styles make fights, and that's why you can't make the
comparison on the other side that John Jones is so
much better than Tom Asminal because he beat Cyril gun. Yes,
it's a common opponent. But by that logic, like it
took John Jones' decision to beat and he really didn't
beat Dominic Reis or the Gusts in first fight, Like
you could do that all day and be like, well
this guy beat him better, doesn't really matter. But notice there,
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Dana didn't answer his thoughts on the ipoke. He just said,
I feel how everybody feels. And Surrell looked good.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Nothing about Tom there.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
From what did you take from those four minutes?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Looked like we're in for a few rounds and it
was gonna be a good fight.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It would seem obvious that a rematch is right on
the carse would you'd like to just read book these
guys as soon as Tom is able to get back.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
In the Yeah, total pain in the ass, but yes, yeah,
have you.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Got any met again? It's a total pain in the ass.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And he's right, yeah, it's a pain in the ass
to have to do this again, But there is a
silver lining that, yes, you now get maybe a bigger
fight than you would have. This is one of the
worst things that could have possibly happened on this card,
for sure, especially seeing as the UFC has this relationship
with you know, Abu Dhabi in the Middle East, and
this is them paying a shit ton of money for
this fight to kind of flop like it not even
kind of it flopped, and so did.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
The majority of the card.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Really, there were great performances, but as far as name
value monetary value, the whole thing wasn't a ton of
starmaking performances. Outside of quilling sylkilled that guy. I'm gonna
be watching every one of his next fights. But look
at Dana's attitude toward it. It seems like he's just
more upset, like you know, paint in the ass, we
gotta do this again, not like, oh, I hope my
heavyweight champion is all right.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't know it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Just watching him answer these questions, there isn't really any
thought given to the actual epoke and how it's affecting Tom.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
More so just like, ugh, gotta.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Do this shit again, like he does. It seems like
he doesn't want to deal with this situation. And not
just asthmental gone, but really Tom aspinall again. I could
be reading too much in but that's just the way
I'm hearing him. It almost seems distraught and kind of
like I'm fed up with it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
The club day on tom or is it still in
too soon?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
He's on his way to the hospital.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's a bit of a weird question, right it was
he's ruled a no contest because of an unintentional eyepike?
What does it take to make an ipoke intentional? And
is there even a way you could ever prove that?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Who the fuck knows? Who gives a shit? What are
you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I don't mind the answer you could tell he's Feta
is pissed that this is the way the thing ended.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And I get it. We're all pissed.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's not the way we wanted that fight to go.
But it's a good question. That's Oscar Willis with the
MacLife asking about the intentionality of strikes and how do
you even determine it, because essentially this fight was ruled
a no contest because they determined that, and I think
rightfully that Cyril accidentally eye poked him, and because the
intention was not mal malintent pars that you can't disqualify him,
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and because Cyril was probably.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Winning that round.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now there is a bit of a gray area when
you talk about the intentionality of strikes landing and what
that means like, does it matter if you intentionally foul
someone because you still fouled them, you still have to
pay the price for fouling them. This is why I'm
in favor of taking points immediately, no warnings involved. But
if the fight is stopped, should that not be a DQ?
Should it be a no constest? I really don't know.
I feel like a no contest is the right call
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because it was so early in the fight, because.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Again, to me, was a mistake. That if sirill Gun.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Makes that mistake whilst winning, I don't know, it just
doesn't feel right to go full on DQ. But he
is the reason that the fight was stopped. He is
the reason that the fight could not continue, and it
was because of a foul. So it's a good question.
But you hear Dana like a who gives a shit?
It just I don't know, it feels like.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
A checked out Dana White.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It does when he answers questions like that, like not
even giving time to answer in a way that you
know he could spin it into promoting the next event
or spin it into all right, you know, we do
have to figure this out because I'm tired of this
shit happening. Here's what I'm gonna do. Here's how I'm
gonna make a difference to eliminate this from the sport.
And I don't know that you can with ipokes. I
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don't know that you can in any way. Sure it's
not gonna happen, but just that the answer itself is
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He's like, I don't who gives a shit? Who the
fuck knows? Who gives a shit?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That doesn't scream again, that's locked in when his heavyweight champ,
potentially at this point he doesn't know, has got a
really bad eye injury, and he's like, a who gives
a fuck?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You know, Like that's kind of crazy to hear.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I know, we you know, tried to do new gloves
before and that kind of didn't work out. Is there
anything we can do to stop these iposts? Would you
have a look at maybe trying to change the gloves
again or is it just part of the sport? Just
shit happens.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean, no matter what you do with the glove,
I mean, they're gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And what do you think for the rest of the
it is gonna happen regardless. I do think they should
change the gloves I think that the Pride style glove
where they cut the hands purposely, even if your hands
are open, that they're gonna have the fingers kind of
bent back towards you more than straight out.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But then again, if you raise.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
The hand up and those curved gloves are this way,
if you're trying to catch stuff, then I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You're never gonna fix it completely.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But it's funny when when Oscar Willis talks about, you know,
we tried the new gloves for a little bit, and
then the new gloves when the UFC.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Introduced him, were a bit more curved. They did have
a bit more of a curve. Richard to him.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And funny enough, the guy that had the most trouble
with him and didn't want to wear him, and I'm
not I don't know if it was solely because of him,
but they tried him out. John Jones fucking hated them,
didn't want to wear him, refused to wear him against
surreal God. And then they did go back to the
original glove. Most people said that was because of the
issue of guys not knocking people out and you know,
fights not being as explosive. I don't know the reason
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but one of the bigger people that had an issue
with the New Gloves when they tried him was the
serial iepoker himself, the man that should be in a
mo and curly three stooges skit.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's John Jones.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
He was gouging eyes, dude, like it was almost like
sign language. The way he was poking fingers out at people.
It was clear he was a problem and still is
if he ever fights again. So I don't know if
that has anything to do with why the Gloves went
the other way, but we all know that Dana, he
fancies himself some John Jones as the goat, so you
can tell where he's leaning in that back and forth.
If if John or Tom were to have an issue,
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he's gonna side with John Jones.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
And I know that you said you'd want to do
the rematch between some and so it's very fresh. But
any potential timeline for that, like maybe January the kick
off the Paramount card.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, I mean they're both in shape other than whatever's
wrong with his eye. You know, both guys are not
injured or so as soon as possible, thank you, Thank you, Den.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
What about what I think that if Tom, which we've
seen Tom's video.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Now we did a breakdown on that a couple of
days ago. I think that if if Tom is healthy,
then it would be a perfect situation. I mean, knock
on wood, nothing bad happens again, because you can't have
a you can't have oh God, I don't want to
put it out there. You can't have another flop for
your first fight on Paramount. If you guys remember the
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JDS and Caine fight, I think was the one on
Fox when they debuted, and it was a something I
forgot what happened, but it was a shitty first debut
when the UFC first went to Fox, it was not
a great night.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You can't have that kind of thing happen.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So again, hopefully nothing bad would happen again for these two,
but that would be a perfect landing spot for Tom.
Asmin on, it's a real God is that first Paramount
card in January Because you're kind of booked out to
the end of the year and you do want to
make a splash on that first card. They were thinking
maybe it'll be Ilia, maybe not. Now you have a
perfect opportunity to slide this fight in there. People are
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going to be more interested in it and there's gonna
be a bit more of a buzz based off this
first fight, based off the controversy, and based off the
performance of both guys in the time that we saw
them fight.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So I think that would be a perfect spot up
the rule.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
It's only the second time in a championship fight that
we do have a no contest for such thing. We
just have to go by the judges and the fighters will.
That's just the way it is for him to say
after fight minutes like in no longer continue. What I'm
trying to figure out is is there a different levels
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of iBooks? Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Nobody sees what you're saying, sir.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What kind of question was that?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I guess what the guy's asking is like, is there
a way to determine severity of ipokes and is there
a way to based off that delineate between no contest
and disqualification? And the answer as of right now, I
don't think unless you saw like a John Jones thing
where his hand is fully extended and his fingers are
parallel to the ground, he is like, you know, on purpose,
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like I'm gonna stab you in the eyes of you
come any closer type of thing, like he's jabbing with
his hand open and he's like, ah, I don't I
don't know if there's a way to determine intentionality, but
that would be the way to delineate between no contest
and disqualification.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I think it was mme.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Guru that that said he would like to see if
you're down on the scorecards and you do something like that,
then yeah, you're getting dc'ed. If you're up, then no contest.
But I don't know, man, I think there just needs
to be a clear, one rule application for everything. If
that means you get dq'ed as soon as you I
poke someone and they can't continue, then fair.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Okay. If that's what we need to do to.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Make a concrete rule on these things, yeah it's gonna suck,
but that at least discourages it to a point of like,
I may lose if I do this, even if it's
an accident, so let me be extra cautious on it, right,
Like we have these kind of things in place for
head kicks when people are on the ground or you
know what used to be twelve to six elbows, Like
those things are pretty hard stance. You don't do them
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or you get dqu'ed. Maybe we can do something like
daff eye godget.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
It's only up to the fighter to stay whether or
not he wants to continue.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, that's just the way it is.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, yeah, what I'm gonna say, Uh, Hey, Tom, I
guess no, you're gonna keep fighting?
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Cereal try to tell him or go toward him, And
Jason Arisox said don't talk to the opening at that point,
so I guess they were trying to figure out to
one another.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You can't just like, you know, I can't make people fight,
right I if I want to together and fight, I
can't make people fight. And you definitely can't make somebody
continue if they if they feel they've been injured. Only
Tom knows what happened, you know, could he see? Couldn't
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he see? Could he continue? Only he knows that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
This is what I'm talking about. Man, Again, you see
the way he answers that question.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now again, the question was asked really weird, like, oh,
only only the fighter can determined that, And he kind
of walked Dana into saying like again, how do we
make a concrete ruling here? But again, we're talking about
Tom's choice, in Dana's words, choice only he can decide
whether he wants to fight or not to continue fighting
with with no vision in one eye and blurry vision
in the other. Versus Again, I don't think Cyril did
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it on purpose, but Surrel committed the foul.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
He is in the wrong here. Tom is not in
the wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And the same way I said this about Hendry Suhuto
and song youa dong where he got song you donged
in his fucking eyeballs. You can look at this fighter
as a referee and ask him what he wants to do.
And that's a terrible way of judging in my opinion,
because the ruleship techt a fighter in this moment more
so than the old you know, pull yourself up by
your bootstraps and get on with it, fighter, because in
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every scenario where a fighter not every but a lot
of scenarios where a fighter continues on after being eye gouged,
they lose DC and the Steep Bay fight Steepe in
the DC trilogy as well, Henry Sejudo sag you don't.
These are things that continually happen because they're compromised. And
for Dana to sit there and talk about, well, only
Tom knows if he could see or not. And I
can't make guys fight. I can't make them while not
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giving any sort of like, hey, yeah, it's a real
fucked up it's his fault that this happened. And if
he doesn't do that, then we're not having this discussion.
We don't hear that from Dana. I mean, he's not
saying it, but he's kind of saying only Tom knows
if he was really hurt or not. Only Tom knows
if he was looking for a way out or not.
Like he's not saying those specific words, but he's essentially
doing that, and that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Tom. We saw go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
He described it as his eyeball feeling like his his
eyeballways poked into the back of his skull.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's what happened. Dude.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Again, I don't think the intentionality really matters when we're
talking about who should be, you know, receiving the blame
for this, and it really shouldn't even be like a
who should be receiving the blame?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
How do we go.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Forward having confidence in the heavyweight champion of the world
if not only the online fan base is like, ah,
look at Tom, scared quitter blah. You have the freaking
head of the UFC being like, well, I don't really know.
I can't make him fight. You know, he knows what
are we doing. I was disappointed in the way this
fight was built up. I'm more disappointed in the way
this is being handled the presser.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
This is crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You try not to venture into like having personal bias,
but Dana clearly likes some fighters and doesn't like others.
I don't know how you look at this and don't
think Dana has a bias, so like, not like tom aspinall,
because that's what he's telling us here.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
First of all, I can sit here right now. The
fight just got over, however long ago. What makes sense
is to do the rematch. It makes sense, you know,
sitting here tonight, So yeah, that makes sense. I'm not
saying that's what's gonna happen. Anything happened between now and
you know when I get him. We're not talking this Tuesday.
I go from here to Saudi. I go to Qatar
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than Saudi. I'm still here for another eight or nine days,
so I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm not saying
anybody is gonna be a number one contender outside of
Cyril Gone. I don't know. But right here, right now,
being honest, which I never do this ever, is talk
about you know what next fight's gonna happen. The rematch
is what makes sense.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He's talking like the rematch may not even be the
thing he wants to do or that they go with.
He's like, I'm not saying that's what happens next, but
it makes sense. If you don't give this fight a rematch,
that would be even worse. I mean, yeah, you could
do like imagine Tom is like, oh, I'm not gonna
give that guy a rematch, that cheater or whatever, and
you do Tom versus Volkov two.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Ah, you have to ride this wave. You have to.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I think Dana wants to see it out and see
the rematch, but there's so much now built up to
this fight, there's so much attention around it. It would
be a flat fucking miss to not do it again. Ironically,
this ipoke has garnered more attention around this fight than
it ever had before any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
This fight, it was a big fight.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
For the people in the in the MMA space, but
now it's reaching other levels of casual fans that are
going to be locked in for the second one because
they're on one of two sides. They're on the Syrilla
as a cheater. Fuck that guy. I hope Tom knocks
him outside or Tom aspin I'll quit. He didn't want
no part of it. I hope Cyril gets the job
done even more this time. Like you're seeing these splits
(17:24):
happen right now in the MMA scene and you have
to run with it.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
With the few things we've seen into this fight, I
feel like Cyril was doing pretty well. Do you feel
the same, and do you feel that he's earned respect
so that people would care even more when you make
this fight again and the odds would be more equivalent.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yes, yes, I agree. I think that I said earlier
because of the John Jones fight. I think everybody was
sleeping on Cyril Gune and and sort of rote him off.
I agree, And he's right behind me. He's coming in next,
so you guys can ask him how he felt. But
I feel like, you know, I'm sure in his camp
he was training like a animal for this fight, and
(18:03):
it's unfortunate that it ended the way that it did.
And yes, I think that there probably will be a
lot more interest in the rematch after they saw you know,
I mean he had Tom bloodied up, and uh, you
know Tom didn't want to continue in the fight. So
God rematches very interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
You only answer a question that way if you fucking
hate your heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You can't convince me otherwise.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yes, the question was asked about Cyril, but Dana attributes
all of the things that happened good in the.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Fight to just Cyril.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
God, you hear him talking about you know, people wrote
Cerril off. I agree with him, by the way, but
based on the John Jones fight, people did write Cerel
gone off and say that Tom was gonna run through him.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And all that.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But you hear him then go, yeah, you know, I
bet Cyril was training like an animal for this, not
mentioning that Tom Aspinall has been off for fifteen months,
he was probably training his ass off too. No, and
mostly the time he took off was because he was
trying to lobby for a John Jones fight that the
UFC never got done for. This is the way a
fan of Cyrill or John Jones and a hater of
Tom Aspinall speaks. Again, maybe it's just me reading too
(19:08):
much into it. That sounds like coded language like yeah,
Tom didn't want it anymore, you know, like, yeah, he
had him blooded up and he just didn't want to go.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, he got his eyes gouged and he couldn't see.
What are we talking about? This is your heavyweight champion.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And again I have to think you only speak this
way if you have a preconceived bias. And I say
preconceived because I don't think this just developed tonight. I
don't think this just happened where you know, Dana just decided,
Oh fuck Tom Aspinall, he's a quitter or whatever. Think
it's because the things we've talked about in previous videos,
like something like this this week from Andy Aspinall, which
(19:41):
by the way, I will say is a terrible, terrible
thing for Andy Aspinall, Tom's father and head coach to
be doing during fight week, talking about how he's going
to take Tom out of MMA and take him into
boxing because the pay's better over there, they only have
a couple fights left, and that he doesn't want him
to sign a new contract with the UFC. This is
stuff that you don't do as the sitting heavyweight champion
because all it does is burn bridges with the decision
(20:02):
makers at the UFC.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
You said that you wanted a box some championship. You're
okay with an MMA champion, but would you wanted a
buck some champion boxing for.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Shure more money? Why?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I know?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Would that? Would that be an outcome?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Friend?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
No, he's three more fights on the contract, fight Oka,
So I don't want to sign in new comfort.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Okay, firston left.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So now that was before the fight.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Tom now has two fights left on his deal, and man,
I just have a feeling it's going to be a
rough two fights.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
They're going to try to give.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Tom aspinall because again, if you remember back when Dana
White had issues with Francis and Ganho heading into the
last part of his career, Remember Dana White was all
about the Francis and Gan who trained when he was
gonna fight step A for the first time. Dana White,
remember he had some issues with Steve A at that time.
All the talk was about Francis, how he hits harder
than a Chevy Cruz going twenty miles an hour or something,
(20:51):
and how he's the most devastating whatever in heavyweight history.
This is all things that were being said about Francis
and Gan Who before the first steep A fight, and
then step A beats Francis. I'm pretty sure Dana didn't
put the belt on stepe after he beat Francis again,
a little sign that there wasn't a great relationship there.
I think step A took the belt, gave it to
his coach, and let the coach put it on him.
(21:11):
And then Dana got in the press conference afterward and
I think was trashing Francis a little bit. He wasn't prepared,
he was smelling the roses and all that, and then
he got back on the Francis train. Francis started to
get those wins back and beat step A the second time,
and all of a sudden, Dana White was saying John
Jones shouldn't come up and fight Francis and god who,
he don't want that smoke essentially. And then as things
played out a little further and Francis got toward the
(21:33):
end of that contract, and you started to hear Dana
White talk about how Francis had the wrong people around
him and how he was hard to deal with, and
Dana can be right about all those things. And it
maybe is that we're seeing more and more now with Francis.
But the point I'm making is this is a pattern
of behavior. If you give Dana an opportunity to look
at you as somebody that's not going to be good
for business, that someone that doesn't want to do business,
(21:53):
or that someone that's gonna turn their back on the UFC,
he's not gonna like you. And this is why I
think he's starting to hate the Aspinalls and Tom Aspinall
in general. Not to mention one of the cardinal sins
when you're dealing with Dana White, one of the things
he hates more than anything. And I agree with him
on this is a champion that won't fight his friends.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Again, It's not like any.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Other sport where you're playing the sport against your friend,
but this is fighting, so emotions can can dictate how
you defend whatever. Here's Dana White responding to Tom Asminal saying, essentially,
he wouldn't fight one of his friends that just entered
the UFC, but.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
The guy that's currently ranked umber Tenne IS's friend Anti Delijah,
and he would vacate the title if Delijah got to
a point where he was going to fight for the title.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
He's one of like my genuine friends, I'll vacate it
and he can have his time.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Really, I wouldn't fight him.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
There's some stuff to me that's like more important than
money on titles.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You know what I think about that. I hate that.
You know, you know, many friends, relatives, name it, have
all fought each other before. You know, it doesn't determine
whether you are friends with somebody or you hate somebody.
(23:04):
You're competing against them to see who the best is.
But that's his decision, you know. You know, if he
defends the title and does whatever he does. To even
think about vacating it because you don't want to compete
against somebody is absolutely insane. But he's a grown man.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's up to him. This is the type of stuff
I'm telling you. It's been building now, and this was
just this week. This was just this fight week, So
I have to think it's been building for a while now.
But when you see all this evidence laid out, I
think my assumption here is pretty clear data. White fucking
hates Tom Aspital. I think he hates dealing with him
or his dad. I think he hates the outcome of
this fight and probably attributes it more to Tom than
(23:41):
he does surreal gone, which I think is insane, and
I think potentially this could be also a part of
this John Jones discussion that's been going on for the
last it feels like a year now about who is
the best in the world or top pound for pound
number one. Dana has always had issues with John Jones,
but for whatever reason recently had stuck by him for
(24:01):
power for pound, for best ever, for best in the
UFC right now, and even after the Tom Aspenall fight
fell through, he is still somewhat taking that side of things,
which as the promoter, I feel like you could, you
don't have to do that. Dan has always run it
his way and he's gotten personal with people before the
Tito Wertez of the world, which I think he was
right about in some cases.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
He had his grievances and he was fair there as well.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
But you know, Francis and Ganu, and there's been so
many But I just feel like this is the worst
thing that could possibly happen for tom Aspenall right now
is the pylon effect that's happening online, the ipoke of doom,
his dad saying a lot of these things this week.
I think that was a terrible move, him saying he
doesn't want to defend versus his friends, the idea of
him moving to boxing and leaving the heavyweight division.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
All of it is bad.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And now he essentially has to fight serial God and
the UFC in this rematch in January, and hope to
God nothing bad happens, because as of right now, all
blade all hatred from the top from the decision makers
at the UFC, with Tom still having two fights left,
they don't like him. That's what I think, you guys,
let me know down below. I don't think this thing
is gonna get better before it gets worse. I hope so,
(25:06):
but it doesn't look like this relationship is panning out.
We've seen this story before. It usually ends ugly. What
do you think happens? Don't have those answers, but I
guess we'll find out
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