Wade DIVES into Boxing's NEW "Running Rule" and why Turki Alalshikh making it official could SAVE the sport from boring fights...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so we're back on the way concept presented
by The Ring magazine, And today I saw a very
interesting debate going on in all stems from modern boxing. Right,
what do people say is the biggest problem with modern
box Maybe some people would say, up until recently, we
don't get the fights we want to see. Or maybe
some people would say modern boxing has favored fighters that
(00:22):
look to win on the judge's scorecard versus go out
and win a fight, win a match versus win a fight. Now,
I don't think that's as black and white as the
statement I just made. I think there's a lot of
gray area in there. And because of recent performances like
Times Square with Devin Haney and Jose Ramirez, Ryan Garcia,
Pnelo Alvarez, Williams Skull and others, there has been a
(00:45):
little frustration in the way fights are going and the
way fights potentially can go, and how to fix fights
that are considered boring or fighters that are considered runners
or match winners not fight winners. And recently even another
YouTuber named showbiz the Adult shout Out my Brother has
introduced the no running rule, in his opinion, to stop
(01:05):
some of the lackluster performances in boxing, guys that are
again trying to win on the cars, not trying to
win a fight. And today Brickyella shak laid down the hammer.
He said no more running will be permitted on his events,
and the internet kind of lost their mind. But I
think he might have been taking out of context a
little bit. And I understand how this is gonna sound
because I'm working with the ring, but also I kind
(01:27):
of agree with him and show Biz I'll explain why
the breakdown. Let's go all right, so let's go back
to where this all started, Showbiz the adult after the performances,
I assume of Devin Haney, of Ryan Garcia, and of
William Skull over what should have been one of the
biggest weekends for boxing in modern history turned out to
be one of the more lackluster and kind of wet
(01:48):
fart performance wise weekends of boxing. Shout out to n
Away for saving the weekend. It was just last month
that all this happened. But show Biz has had enough
of it, and he implemented something called the no Run Rule,
or at least a petition to change dot org to
potentially change the sports of boxing through the no run Rule.
And listen. I'm sure that the Internet has already let
(02:10):
showbiz hear at about how running is not what Devin
Haney was doing, or running is implemented in the sport
of boxing, because two guys standing in the middle and
trading blows in a gladiatorial fashion isn't necessarily the sweet science.
But I do think the sweet science has been bastardized
a little bit to mean something that it never was
supposed to mean. And we'll get into that. But at
(02:31):
the end of the day, this is one man's opinion
in showbiz, and I think it's a good one. But
you don't have to agree with it. Don't need to
go after him or anybody else as a casual of
boxing or don't know what they're talking, none of that stuff, because,
let me tell you, Showbiz, more than most people in
the sport of boxing that have a platform, including myself,
knows the sport inside and out and the history of it.
(02:51):
So let's take a look at this. I just wanted
to put that out there because let's all just relax
a little bit. Let's just let's engage in the conversation.
Everybody's passionate, the people especially that are the hardcore boxing fans.
We know you're passionate, but let's just engage in the
conversation without getting personal with it. Here is the issue,
he says, I've been passionate about boxing for years, and
as a devoted fan and now as a contributor to
the sport. The thrill of seeing two fighters engage in
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a battle of skill, strength and strategy is unmatched. But
recently an issue has overshadowed this excitement, the tendency of
some fighters to prioritize excessive movement or running over engagement.
This is why I am advocating for the introduction of
the no running rule to ensure the essence of boxing
is preserved. Now. Just off the first paragraph, Showbiz is
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specifically talking about running now when he says the prioritization
of excessive movement, I consider that, yes, running, but I
also consider it strategy to win a fight by winning
on the Marcus of Queensberry rule set or on the
judge's scorecard. The sweet science. As now, it's been referred
to the problem that I see with boxing right now,
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much like in basketball, when Steph Curry decided he was
going to pull three pointers from thirty five feet and
he could do it, and it was effective, and he
was consistent. He changed the game of basketball, honestly, in
my opinion, for the worst, because now guys that aren't
Steph Curry, even though they can be great quality shooters
and spurts, and even though teams like the Celtics hit
(04:19):
a bunch of threes from time to time, the NBA
has foregone a more fluid game of basketball, a game
that includes both short range, mid range, three point range,
and defensive presence along with a big man. I could
go on in lieu of essentially putting four players maybe
even five, on the floor that can potentially in some
cases shoot the three and jacking up about fifty to
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sixty of them. Again, what does this discussion have to
do with boxing? The same principle almost lies true with
some of the greatest fighters that could do everything but
chose in certain instances to do the thing that we
now call running, or the thing in their version or
in their way that they could get away with that
other fighters can't. It's much like we talk about Floyd
Mayweather protecting the O right, the fifty and oh mark
(05:03):
for Floyd, and how fighters want to move like Floyd
did because he changed the sport. He also in some
ways changed the sport in the ring. And not to
say that Floyd was the first person to box on
the back foot and look to move laterally to win
fights when his hands broke and he was not as
sure of a puncher moving up in wait. Other fighters
did that as well, did Muhammad Ali for example. Yeah,
he had performances where he was a lateral mover, or
(05:27):
you know the George Foreign performance where he just took
a beating on the ropes, but you know, fought very defensively.
There's been other fighters throughout the history. Sugar Ray Leonard
and the Marvin Aglar fight was a very much lateral movement.
But that's the greatest of the great of all time.
And they did it in spurts, not entire performances. Entire
careers made off of fighting that way. This is kind
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of what I mean when I say the greats sometimes
did things so well that it spoiled other fighters into
thinking that was the specific way to fight. Now, again,
you can't really tell people how to fight. But I
think the point that show business making here is somewhere
along the lines, fighters saw that this was a easier
way to win fights, stay safe, make money, and continue
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to move forward in their careers. And I guess you
can't really blame them when it's allowed to happen. But
as spectators of the sport, as fans of the sport,
it made the sport less interesting to watch it. Make
no mistake about it. Whether we want to call boxing
the sweet science or not, this is a spectator sport.
And you can be damn sure that people do tune
in to watch fighters fight each other. They don't tune
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in most of the time to watch a stalemate. And
even someone like uh Girmo Riggandau, who was a defensive master,
didn't have a lot of fans that would tune into
a bunch of TVs. In fact, he was kind of
blackballed off TV, off pay per view at least because
his style was just not interesting for people to watch.
It was a defensive boxing presence of the highest order,
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but it just wasn't conducive to building a fan base
to building the sport. It worked for him, but again
as an exception to kind of what the sports meant
to be, which is, yeah, a fight, boxing is not
just about hitting and avoiding punches, thank you. It is
a testament to the courage and tenacity of its athletes. However,
many consecutive rounds of excessive avoidance of engagement undermines these
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qualities and affects the sports integrity quote. The no running
rule would serve to discourage fighters from resorting to constant
movement as a strategy to avoid fighting. This rule would
allow referees to deduct points for excessive movement, but the
intentions to avoid engaging instead of fighting, similar to the
penalties given for excessive clinching. So Showbiz here is advocating
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for an actual rule set to be developed where fighters
are discouraged from excessively disengaging from Actually this is a
little bit controversial, to be honest, but there is warnings
about excessive clinching, which is an effect. The one hundred
and eighty degree version of the no running rule is
as it were, as it's mentioned here, right, refees will
get upset with you and will warn you and potentially
(07:56):
will take a point while calling fights. I've seen this
happen before, where referees will give it, you know, multiple
warnings and even sometimes take a point for excessive clinching. Now,
the question you have to ask is why are they
taking those points? And the answer simple. Fighters are holding
on to their opponents so that they don't have to fight,
so the other opponent won't hit them, and they don't
have to hit the opponent. They can rest, they can
recover without taking dam and that's kind of what he's
(08:18):
upset about, and providing this whole petition for is the
opposite of that, but kind of the same thing. Fighters
disengaging from all action and moving laterally without a plan
to really engage at all, just simply to avoid taking damage.
And in the very small pockets of windows they can
land a punch, they will and continue moving. This does
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absolutely turn fans that either you want to call them
casuals or people that may have an interest in getting
into boxing. They turn away from the sport. And it's
so easy to see. It's not even close to like,
watch a fight from the nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties, or
nineties between again the heavyweights of the sixties and seventies,
(09:02):
the middle weights of the seventies and eighties, or the
heavyweights of the nineties and go, oh yeah, no, this
is completely different from the fight we see today, especially
in the lower weight classes. I mean watching guys like
wil Fredo Gomez and Salvador Sanchez like it's night and day,
different from watching some of the guys in the lower
weight class of today's boxing. Again, the simple point is
(09:22):
excessive avoidance of fighting in a fight turns fans off
to watching what has happened and loses not only that
fighter fans, but potentially fans of the sport in general
or potential fans of the sport. The objective is clear
to maintain the dynamic and engaging nature of boxing. This
aligns with existing regulations such as those that penalize excessive clinching,
(09:44):
and would enhance the spectacular experience by encouraging continued action
and engagement in the ring. This it's not about diminishing
defense or movement to avoid punches, which I like that
he said that, and we'll get into in just a second.
This is about fighter's intentions to avoid fighting by prioritizing
excessive movement over many rounds of a fight, reducing the
expected experience from fans, the fighters, careers, and the status
(10:08):
of the sport. I really like that he included the
part about like this doesn't mean I want a war
and I want guys to stand with one foot in
a tire and just swing until someone falls completely flat
on their face on the canvas. That's not what showbusiness
is advocating for. And I think this is where the
discussion overall is being lost by pretty much everybody online.
(10:29):
But we'll get back to that. But again, let's just
keep in our minds as we continue to read through this.
This doesn't mean you can't be defensive as a fighter.
It doesn't mean you can't move as a fighter. Again,
this is a frustration by a fan and now contributor
to the sport, and I think he speaks for a
lot of people when he says that there's an excessive
and purposeful avoidance of action from a fighter that just
(10:52):
does not want to engagem about being defensively sound and
then capitalizing. It's about continuously avoiding any sort of interaction
action with another fighter in lieu of excessively moving and
staying away from danger until again, you can land a
handful of punches perrede. That's a boring way to fight,
and fans know it. I know it, you know it.
(11:12):
You can hide behind the veil of this is the
sweet science. This is what technique is. And sure Okay,
you know by the letter of the law. I guess
you're right, But it ain't interesting and it ain't growing.
The sport fighting that we keep going backing for this
initiative comes from the numerous fans and stakeholders we've witnessed. Wait,
stakeholders is interesting. Who's he talking about there? I mean
he could have been talking about Turkey right here. Stakeholders
(11:35):
who have witnessed this trend and share concerns about its
impact on boxing viewership and appeal. Statistics reveal that boxing
viewership tends to drop when matches are perceived as less engaging. True,
ensuring active participation in the ring is in the sports
best interest. I call upon the regulatory bodies to consider
this proposal seriously and engage in a meaningful discourse with athletes, referees,
(11:55):
and fans. Together, we can preserve the vitality and attract
of this historic sport by supporting the implementation of the
no running rule. Shout out to show Biz if you
guys want to go sign it. I think the link
is in his Twitter or in the subscription of his channel,
and maybe I'll put it in the description of mine
as well. By the way I look at that pictures
show Biz, he kind of looks like he kind of
(12:16):
looks like Ashton Hall, and everybody on the internet has
had their say about that petition. But now h E
is weighing in and as everybody knows, he's come in
and you know, completely disrupted the sport and has done
things to bring boxing into a mainstream audience once again.
Not only the Canelo Alvarez Terrence Crawford fight happening on
Netflix in Las Vegas. We had the Times Square card,
(12:38):
we had Usik and Fury two times. We had better
bv and Bivil two times. He's making fights people want
to see, and now he's agreeing with Showbiz on this
specific thing. Maybe not about, you know, how to implement
the no running rule if it were a rule, but
he agrees that people need to stop doing this, and
in fact, he is kind of putting a mandate down
(12:59):
today or us yesterday, Now beat it out. From this
point on, I don't want to see anymore Tom and
Jerry type boxing matches where one fighter is running around
the ring and the other is chasing. Maybe he meant
to say we can no longer support these kinds of fights.
With riad season and the ring. We want to support
fighters who leave it all in the ring and fight
with their heart and pride, and the internet went crazy.
(13:20):
Now again, I agree with him, Tom and Jerry type
of fighting is rough to watch, especially when it's not
done with the purpose of finding ways to finish the fight.
If there's one fighter that's looking to move forward and
one fighter that's consistently just not wanting to engage at all,
it makes for a boring fight. It just really does.
Like if there's a fighter not engaging or moving to
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set up the engagement right sliding laterally to catch an
angle or get out of the corner or turn the
corner and then reset the action and fight. That's not
what he's talking about. He is speaking specifically about fighters
that are consistently moving away from the action in lieu
of trying to capitalize on a fighter walking forward, engaging
them and knocking them out. And there's again a bit
(14:03):
of a mixed bag, as it will be with the internet.
BJ floor Is. I agree with Turkey and Tonio Otarver.
I agree the new day in boxing. I'm only trained
skill of fighters, have some people that don't like and
still boxing. You can't control how fighters fight. To win.
We all want a good scrab and Unfortunately it's not
your gift to decide how a fighter comes to win.
Messages like these start to make you but controlling make
(14:23):
the fights, except might some might be shit. This isn't
power slash. So I mean that's true. Turkey can't control
how people fight. That's five thousand percent true. That's not
never something he's gonna be able to do. What Again,
I don't think this is Turkey trying to control fighting.
It is him trying to encourage fighters to fight again,
(14:44):
to win fights by fighting, not winning boxing matches by
running or moving laterally excessively, or trying not to engage. Again,
we go back to that point, but again I think
people are mistaking what Turkey wants to see. He wants
to see offense and defense, but done in a way
that fighters can engage in the fight. Defense doesn't mean
completely disengaging from your opponent. It can happen in certain
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points again, to reset the action, to reset footwork, to
cut an angle, to turn the corner, to get out
of the corner, whatever it is. But those are moments
in a broader context of trying to hit the opponent
while also not being hit. It isn't at least it
shouldn't be in my opinion, touch the opponent, hit the
opponent once, maybe twice, and then completely get out of
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dodge until the next time you want to engage the action.
Just to do the same cycle over and over and
engage in the action is just one or two punches
because anymore would leave you in the pocket to be countered,
so you have to completely disengage. Defense in boxing, yes,
is multifaceted, but a high level defensive artist is one
that not only can make you miss without always completely
disengaging from the action, but also can make you miss
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and make you pay. That is the sweet science to me.
To me, offensive boxers are only heightened by their defensive ability.
A guy like Canelo Alvarez, while yes, his output hasn't
been great lately, he's one of the better defensive to
eyes defense transition boxers I've ever seen. His ability to
make you miss and make you pay is unlike any other.
And someone that, yeah, later in his career, might have
been faulted for running too much, was Floyd Maywell. One
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of the best forward moving counterpunchers there was. He would
make you miss in the pocket and hit you with
a poll right hand and make you pay. That is
what defensive boxing is to me. Your offense is heightened
by your defense. If you're able to make someone miss
and encounter them, the punch impact increases, your ability to
land flush increases, the damage increases, You get more entertaining fights,
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and so on and so on. But for the people
that say that Turkey can't control how fights happen, they're right,
he can't. What he can do is discourage a certain
type of fighting by partnering with fighters that share the
same vision. Fighters that want to fight people have to
get out of their mind that I mean, let's just
be honest. The Devin Haney style of fighting in the
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in the Jose Ramirez fight is what defensive boxing at
its highest level looks like. It's not. What makes for
a great fighter is to have that in their bag
if things aren't going their way, if they need to
reset the fight, but also to be offensively dangerous and
defensively responsible in the pocket. But we're talking about a
select few fighters, and those select few fighters, some of
them have been considered the best in the world while
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fighting a very timid style, and it makes them not
pay per view friendly. It makes them not entertaining for fans,
and unfortunately for them, puts them in a position where
they're not big stars and really no one is paying
attention when they fight. So yeah, I don't know, it's
just that their careers become this year, today, gone tomorrow
kind of surface level. Well, hey, yeah, that guy fought,
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I guess, but no one's really resonating with that. No
one's eager to see it. In fact, most of the
time they're just eager to see someone get knocked out
because they hate the way they fight. But again, I
just I think that people are really focusing on this
point that Turkey is saying, I don't want runners, which
to them means that Turkey is saying I want people
to stand in the middle of the ring and swing
it out until someone hits the canvas, which is not true.
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Imachenko just tired had insane footwork and movement in the pocket.
You didn't see Lomachenko moving backward a ton. You saw
him shifting in the pocket. And you know, ironically enough,
one of the better fights that Devin Haney had is
one where he had to dig in and fight another
fighter that could move. He had to because Lomachenko, who
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just had as good a footwork as he did. You
couldn't get away from Lomachenko. He brought one of the
best fights out of Devin Hany that we've seen, and
Devin won the fight. Even if you don't agree that
he won whatever on the cards, Devin won that night.
It was because someone had the ability to make him fight.
And for people trying to make this like, oh, you're
just talking about Devin Shakur, those are the two names
that come to mind because of the performances in recent memory.
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But I just saw a fight in the UK and
I can't even remember the guy's name, that's how unmemorable
the performance was. He did the same thing. I think
he ended up getting beat because of it. I don't
know what happened, but it was just so boring and
it was so just just disengaging, not only in the
fight but as a fan just being like, all right, bro,
well I'll go do something else now, because clearly one
guy wants to fight and the other guy does it,
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so why would I watch this? I'm saying, when it
comes to Turkey Ala Shake, he can kind of implement
something like this where he looks at fighters and says,
I like that style of fighting. I want to bring
them on as an ambassador or on a Ring magazine
card or to re odd season. And whether you like
it or not, he does have a lot of leverage.
And that may be the one thing that changes the
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way fighters fight. Is if Turkey is signing some of
the biggest fighters. He's signing some of the biggest fights,
and you want an opportunity over there, you may have
to change the way you fight. If you're not necessarily
doing that, and Turkey's like, well, I just I'm not
interested in signing you, then I have no problem with that,
and I don't think any fight fans should. That's what
the free market is. That's what everybody enjoys about boxing
that they're frustrated with with the UFC or some of
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these other companies, is that there is competition out there. Right,
you have the Ring Magazine, you have these other promotions
that you don't like that Turkey doesn't like that, then
your favorite fighter can go fight on Matchroom, or they
can go fight on PBC or somewhere else. Ultimately, that
is his decision. So no, Turkey can't change the way
fighters fight. But that's not what Turkey is saying. He's
given you all the message that if certain fighters, and
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I'm sure they know who they are, if they don't,
then maybe they'll find out. But if they continue to disengage,
if they continue to skate by, if they continue to
try to win matches and not fights, they won't find
themselves on a Ring magazine card, and they won't find
themselves on a reat season card. That's what I think.
You guys, let me know in the comments where I
get it wrong, and let the debate continue respectfully, please
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on all sides, because at the end of the day, everybody,
we all love the sport. It's just a matter of
making it the best it can possibly be by providing
what it is that we think is wrong or what
fighters or commentators or contributors or fans or whoever else
promoters can do better, because I think we can all
do better. That's what I think, though, you guys, let
me know in the comments. What happens next to show
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biz is gonna actually get a no running rule implemented.
Are you gonna see Ring Magazine or REOCE season cards
a little different based on who is fighting in a
certain way and who's going to be on them. I
don't have any of those answers yet, but as far
as they avoidance of contact in a combat sport goes,
it's got a change, That's what I think. But I
guess we'll find out
All right, so we're back on the way concept presented
by The Ring magazine, And today I saw a very
interesting debate going on in all stems from modern boxing. Right,
what do people say is the biggest problem with modern
box Maybe some people would say, up until recently, we
don't get the fights we want to see. Or maybe
some people would say modern boxing has favored fighters that
(00:22):
look to win on the judge's scorecard versus go out
and win a fight, win a match versus win a fight. Now,
I don't think that's as black and white as the
statement I just made. I think there's a lot of
gray area in there. And because of recent performances like
Times Square with Devin Haney and Jose Ramirez, Ryan Garcia,
Pnelo Alvarez, Williams Skull and others, there has been a
(00:45):
little frustration in the way fights are going and the
way fights potentially can go, and how to fix fights
that are considered boring or fighters that are considered runners
or match winners not fight winners. And recently even another
YouTuber named showbiz the Adult shout Out my Brother has
introduced the no running rule, in his opinion, to stop
(01:05):
some of the lackluster performances in boxing, guys that are
again trying to win on the cars, not trying to
win a fight. And today Brickyella shak laid down the hammer.
He said no more running will be permitted on his events,
and the internet kind of lost their mind. But I
think he might have been taking out of context a
little bit. And I understand how this is gonna sound
because I'm working with the ring, but also I kind
(01:27):
of agree with him and show Biz I'll explain why
the breakdown. Let's go all right, so let's go back
to where this all started, Showbiz the adult after the performances,
I assume of Devin Haney, of Ryan Garcia, and of
William Skull over what should have been one of the
biggest weekends for boxing in modern history turned out to
be one of the more lackluster and kind of wet
(01:48):
fart performance wise weekends of boxing. Shout out to n
Away for saving the weekend. It was just last month
that all this happened. But show Biz has had enough
of it, and he implemented something called the no Run Rule,
or at least a petition to change dot org to
potentially change the sports of boxing through the no run Rule.
And listen. I'm sure that the Internet has already let
(02:10):
showbiz hear at about how running is not what Devin
Haney was doing, or running is implemented in the sport
of boxing, because two guys standing in the middle and
trading blows in a gladiatorial fashion isn't necessarily the sweet science.
But I do think the sweet science has been bastardized
a little bit to mean something that it never was
supposed to mean. And we'll get into that. But at
(02:31):
the end of the day, this is one man's opinion
in showbiz, and I think it's a good one. But
you don't have to agree with it. Don't need to
go after him or anybody else as a casual of
boxing or don't know what they're talking, none of that stuff, because,
let me tell you, Showbiz, more than most people in
the sport of boxing that have a platform, including myself,
knows the sport inside and out and the history of it.
(02:51):
So let's take a look at this. I just wanted
to put that out there because let's all just relax
a little bit. Let's just let's engage in the conversation.
Everybody's passionate, the people especially that are the hardcore boxing fans.
We know you're passionate, but let's just engage in the
conversation without getting personal with it. Here is the issue,
he says, I've been passionate about boxing for years, and
as a devoted fan and now as a contributor to
the sport. The thrill of seeing two fighters engage in
(03:14):
a battle of skill, strength and strategy is unmatched. But
recently an issue has overshadowed this excitement, the tendency of
some fighters to prioritize excessive movement or running over engagement.
This is why I am advocating for the introduction of
the no running rule to ensure the essence of boxing
is preserved. Now. Just off the first paragraph, Showbiz is
(03:35):
specifically talking about running now when he says the prioritization
of excessive movement, I consider that, yes, running, but I
also consider it strategy to win a fight by winning
on the Marcus of Queensberry rule set or on the
judge's scorecard. The sweet science. As now, it's been referred
to the problem that I see with boxing right now,
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much like in basketball, when Steph Curry decided he was
going to pull three pointers from thirty five feet and
he could do it, and it was effective, and he
was consistent. He changed the game of basketball, honestly, in
my opinion, for the worst, because now guys that aren't
Steph Curry, even though they can be great quality shooters
and spurts, and even though teams like the Celtics hit
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a bunch of threes from time to time, the NBA
has foregone a more fluid game of basketball, a game
that includes both short range, mid range, three point range,
and defensive presence along with a big man. I could
go on in lieu of essentially putting four players maybe
even five, on the floor that can potentially in some
cases shoot the three and jacking up about fifty to
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sixty of them. Again, what does this discussion have to
do with boxing? The same principle almost lies true with
some of the greatest fighters that could do everything but
chose in certain instances to do the thing that we
now call running, or the thing in their version or
in their way that they could get away with that
other fighters can't. It's much like we talk about Floyd
Mayweather protecting the O right, the fifty and oh mark
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for Floyd, and how fighters want to move like Floyd
did because he changed the sport. He also in some
ways changed the sport in the ring. And not to
say that Floyd was the first person to box on
the back foot and look to move laterally to win
fights when his hands broke and he was not as
sure of a puncher moving up in wait. Other fighters
did that as well, did Muhammad Ali for example. Yeah,
he had performances where he was a lateral mover, or
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you know the George Foreign performance where he just took
a beating on the ropes, but you know, fought very defensively.
There's been other fighters throughout the history. Sugar Ray Leonard
and the Marvin Aglar fight was a very much lateral movement.
But that's the greatest of the great of all time.
And they did it in spurts, not entire performances. Entire
careers made off of fighting that way. This is kind
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of what I mean when I say the greats sometimes
did things so well that it spoiled other fighters into
thinking that was the specific way to fight. Now, again,
you can't really tell people how to fight. But I
think the point that show business making here is somewhere
along the lines, fighters saw that this was a easier
way to win fights, stay safe, make money, and continue
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to move forward in their careers. And I guess you
can't really blame them when it's allowed to happen. But
as spectators of the sport, as fans of the sport,
it made the sport less interesting to watch it. Make
no mistake about it. Whether we want to call boxing
the sweet science or not, this is a spectator sport.
And you can be damn sure that people do tune
in to watch fighters fight each other. They don't tune
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in most of the time to watch a stalemate. And
even someone like uh Girmo Riggandau, who was a defensive master,
didn't have a lot of fans that would tune into
a bunch of TVs. In fact, he was kind of
blackballed off TV, off pay per view at least because
his style was just not interesting for people to watch.
It was a defensive boxing presence of the highest order,
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but it just wasn't conducive to building a fan base
to building the sport. It worked for him, but again
as an exception to kind of what the sports meant
to be, which is, yeah, a fight, boxing is not
just about hitting and avoiding punches, thank you. It is
a testament to the courage and tenacity of its athletes. However,
many consecutive rounds of excessive avoidance of engagement undermines these
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qualities and affects the sports integrity quote. The no running
rule would serve to discourage fighters from resorting to constant
movement as a strategy to avoid fighting. This rule would
allow referees to deduct points for excessive movement, but the
intentions to avoid engaging instead of fighting, similar to the
penalties given for excessive clinching. So Showbiz here is advocating
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for an actual rule set to be developed where fighters
are discouraged from excessively disengaging from Actually this is a
little bit controversial, to be honest, but there is warnings
about excessive clinching, which is an effect. The one hundred
and eighty degree version of the no running rule is
as it were, as it's mentioned here, right, refees will
get upset with you and will warn you and potentially
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will take a point while calling fights. I've seen this
happen before, where referees will give it, you know, multiple
warnings and even sometimes take a point for excessive clinching. Now,
the question you have to ask is why are they
taking those points? And the answer simple. Fighters are holding
on to their opponents so that they don't have to fight,
so the other opponent won't hit them, and they don't
have to hit the opponent. They can rest, they can
recover without taking dam and that's kind of what he's
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upset about, and providing this whole petition for is the
opposite of that, but kind of the same thing. Fighters
disengaging from all action and moving laterally without a plan
to really engage at all, just simply to avoid taking damage.
And in the very small pockets of windows they can
land a punch, they will and continue moving. This does
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absolutely turn fans that either you want to call them
casuals or people that may have an interest in getting
into boxing. They turn away from the sport. And it's
so easy to see. It's not even close to like,
watch a fight from the nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties, or
nineties between again the heavyweights of the sixties and seventies,
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the middle weights of the seventies and eighties, or the
heavyweights of the nineties and go, oh yeah, no, this
is completely different from the fight we see today, especially
in the lower weight classes. I mean watching guys like
wil Fredo Gomez and Salvador Sanchez like it's night and day,
different from watching some of the guys in the lower
weight class of today's boxing. Again, the simple point is
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excessive avoidance of fighting in a fight turns fans off
to watching what has happened and loses not only that
fighter fans, but potentially fans of the sport in general
or potential fans of the sport. The objective is clear
to maintain the dynamic and engaging nature of boxing. This
aligns with existing regulations such as those that penalize excessive clinching,
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and would enhance the spectacular experience by encouraging continued action
and engagement in the ring. This it's not about diminishing
defense or movement to avoid punches, which I like that
he said that, and we'll get into in just a second.
This is about fighter's intentions to avoid fighting by prioritizing
excessive movement over many rounds of a fight, reducing the
expected experience from fans, the fighters, careers, and the status
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of the sport. I really like that he included the
part about like this doesn't mean I want a war
and I want guys to stand with one foot in
a tire and just swing until someone falls completely flat
on their face on the canvas. That's not what showbusiness
is advocating for. And I think this is where the
discussion overall is being lost by pretty much everybody online.
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But we'll get back to that. But again, let's just
keep in our minds as we continue to read through this.
This doesn't mean you can't be defensive as a fighter.
It doesn't mean you can't move as a fighter. Again,
this is a frustration by a fan and now contributor
to the sport, and I think he speaks for a
lot of people when he says that there's an excessive
and purposeful avoidance of action from a fighter that just
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does not want to engagem about being defensively sound and
then capitalizing. It's about continuously avoiding any sort of interaction
action with another fighter in lieu of excessively moving and
staying away from danger until again, you can land a
handful of punches perrede. That's a boring way to fight,
and fans know it. I know it, you know it.
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You can hide behind the veil of this is the
sweet science. This is what technique is. And sure Okay,
you know by the letter of the law. I guess
you're right, But it ain't interesting and it ain't growing.
The sport fighting that we keep going backing for this
initiative comes from the numerous fans and stakeholders we've witnessed. Wait,
stakeholders is interesting. Who's he talking about there? I mean
he could have been talking about Turkey right here. Stakeholders
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who have witnessed this trend and share concerns about its
impact on boxing viewership and appeal. Statistics reveal that boxing
viewership tends to drop when matches are perceived as less engaging. True,
ensuring active participation in the ring is in the sports
best interest. I call upon the regulatory bodies to consider
this proposal seriously and engage in a meaningful discourse with athletes, referees,
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and fans. Together, we can preserve the vitality and attract
of this historic sport by supporting the implementation of the
no running rule. Shout out to show Biz if you
guys want to go sign it. I think the link
is in his Twitter or in the subscription of his channel,
and maybe I'll put it in the description of mine
as well. By the way I look at that pictures
show Biz, he kind of looks like he kind of
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looks like Ashton Hall, and everybody on the internet has
had their say about that petition. But now h E
is weighing in and as everybody knows, he's come in
and you know, completely disrupted the sport and has done
things to bring boxing into a mainstream audience once again.
Not only the Canelo Alvarez Terrence Crawford fight happening on
Netflix in Las Vegas. We had the Times Square card,
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we had Usik and Fury two times. We had better
bv and Bivil two times. He's making fights people want
to see, and now he's agreeing with Showbiz on this
specific thing. Maybe not about, you know, how to implement
the no running rule if it were a rule, but
he agrees that people need to stop doing this, and
in fact, he is kind of putting a mandate down
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today or us yesterday, Now beat it out. From this
point on, I don't want to see anymore Tom and
Jerry type boxing matches where one fighter is running around
the ring and the other is chasing. Maybe he meant
to say we can no longer support these kinds of fights.
With riad season and the ring. We want to support
fighters who leave it all in the ring and fight
with their heart and pride, and the internet went crazy.
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Now again, I agree with him, Tom and Jerry type
of fighting is rough to watch, especially when it's not
done with the purpose of finding ways to finish the fight.
If there's one fighter that's looking to move forward and
one fighter that's consistently just not wanting to engage at all,
it makes for a boring fight. It just really does.
Like if there's a fighter not engaging or moving to
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set up the engagement right sliding laterally to catch an
angle or get out of the corner or turn the
corner and then reset the action and fight. That's not
what he's talking about. He is speaking specifically about fighters
that are consistently moving away from the action in lieu
of trying to capitalize on a fighter walking forward, engaging
them and knocking them out. And there's again a bit
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of a mixed bag, as it will be with the internet.
BJ floor Is. I agree with Turkey and Tonio Otarver.
I agree the new day in boxing. I'm only trained
skill of fighters, have some people that don't like and
still boxing. You can't control how fighters fight. To win.
We all want a good scrab and Unfortunately it's not
your gift to decide how a fighter comes to win.
Messages like these start to make you but controlling make
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the fights, except might some might be shit. This isn't
power slash. So I mean that's true. Turkey can't control
how people fight. That's five thousand percent true. That's not
never something he's gonna be able to do. What Again,
I don't think this is Turkey trying to control fighting.
It is him trying to encourage fighters to fight again,
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to win fights by fighting, not winning boxing matches by
running or moving laterally excessively, or trying not to engage. Again,
we go back to that point, but again I think
people are mistaking what Turkey wants to see. He wants
to see offense and defense, but done in a way
that fighters can engage in the fight. Defense doesn't mean
completely disengaging from your opponent. It can happen in certain
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points again, to reset the action, to reset footwork, to
cut an angle, to turn the corner, to get out
of the corner, whatever it is. But those are moments
in a broader context of trying to hit the opponent
while also not being hit. It isn't at least it
shouldn't be in my opinion, touch the opponent, hit the
opponent once, maybe twice, and then completely get out of
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dodge until the next time you want to engage the action.
Just to do the same cycle over and over and
engage in the action is just one or two punches
because anymore would leave you in the pocket to be countered,
so you have to completely disengage. Defense in boxing, yes,
is multifaceted, but a high level defensive artist is one
that not only can make you miss without always completely
disengaging from the action, but also can make you miss
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and make you pay. That is the sweet science to me.
To me, offensive boxers are only heightened by their defensive ability.
A guy like Canelo Alvarez, while yes, his output hasn't
been great lately, he's one of the better defensive to
eyes defense transition boxers I've ever seen. His ability to
make you miss and make you pay is unlike any other.
And someone that, yeah, later in his career, might have
been faulted for running too much, was Floyd Maywell. One
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of the best forward moving counterpunchers there was. He would
make you miss in the pocket and hit you with
a poll right hand and make you pay. That is
what defensive boxing is to me. Your offense is heightened
by your defense. If you're able to make someone miss
and encounter them, the punch impact increases, your ability to
land flush increases, the damage increases, You get more entertaining fights,
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and so on and so on. But for the people
that say that Turkey can't control how fights happen, they're right,
he can't. What he can do is discourage a certain
type of fighting by partnering with fighters that share the
same vision. Fighters that want to fight people have to
get out of their mind that I mean, let's just
be honest. The Devin Haney style of fighting in the
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in the Jose Ramirez fight is what defensive boxing at
its highest level looks like. It's not. What makes for
a great fighter is to have that in their bag
if things aren't going their way, if they need to
reset the fight, but also to be offensively dangerous and
defensively responsible in the pocket. But we're talking about a
select few fighters, and those select few fighters, some of
them have been considered the best in the world while
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fighting a very timid style, and it makes them not
pay per view friendly. It makes them not entertaining for fans,
and unfortunately for them, puts them in a position where
they're not big stars and really no one is paying
attention when they fight. So yeah, I don't know, it's
just that their careers become this year, today, gone tomorrow
kind of surface level. Well, hey, yeah, that guy fought,
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I guess, but no one's really resonating with that. No
one's eager to see it. In fact, most of the
time they're just eager to see someone get knocked out
because they hate the way they fight. But again, I
just I think that people are really focusing on this
point that Turkey is saying, I don't want runners, which
to them means that Turkey is saying I want people
to stand in the middle of the ring and swing
it out until someone hits the canvas, which is not true.
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Imachenko just tired had insane footwork and movement in the pocket.
You didn't see Lomachenko moving backward a ton. You saw
him shifting in the pocket. And you know, ironically enough,
one of the better fights that Devin Haney had is
one where he had to dig in and fight another
fighter that could move. He had to because Lomachenko, who
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just had as good a footwork as he did. You
couldn't get away from Lomachenko. He brought one of the
best fights out of Devin Hany that we've seen, and
Devin won the fight. Even if you don't agree that
he won whatever on the cards, Devin won that night.
It was because someone had the ability to make him fight.
And for people trying to make this like, oh, you're
just talking about Devin Shakur, those are the two names
that come to mind because of the performances in recent memory.
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But I just saw a fight in the UK and
I can't even remember the guy's name, that's how unmemorable
the performance was. He did the same thing. I think
he ended up getting beat because of it. I don't
know what happened, but it was just so boring and
it was so just just disengaging, not only in the
fight but as a fan just being like, all right, bro,
well I'll go do something else now, because clearly one
guy wants to fight and the other guy does it,
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so why would I watch this? I'm saying, when it
comes to Turkey Ala Shake, he can kind of implement
something like this where he looks at fighters and says,
I like that style of fighting. I want to bring
them on as an ambassador or on a Ring magazine
card or to re odd season. And whether you like
it or not, he does have a lot of leverage.
And that may be the one thing that changes the
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way fighters fight. Is if Turkey is signing some of
the biggest fighters. He's signing some of the biggest fights,
and you want an opportunity over there, you may have
to change the way you fight. If you're not necessarily
doing that, and Turkey's like, well, I just I'm not
interested in signing you, then I have no problem with that,
and I don't think any fight fans should. That's what
the free market is. That's what everybody enjoys about boxing
that they're frustrated with with the UFC or some of
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these other companies, is that there is competition out there. Right,
you have the Ring Magazine, you have these other promotions
that you don't like that Turkey doesn't like that, then
your favorite fighter can go fight on Matchroom, or they
can go fight on PBC or somewhere else. Ultimately, that
is his decision. So no, Turkey can't change the way
fighters fight. But that's not what Turkey is saying. He's
given you all the message that if certain fighters, and
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I'm sure they know who they are, if they don't,
then maybe they'll find out. But if they continue to disengage,
if they continue to skate by, if they continue to
try to win matches and not fights, they won't find
themselves on a Ring magazine card, and they won't find
themselves on a reat season card. That's what I think.
You guys, let me know in the comments where I
get it wrong, and let the debate continue respectfully, please
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on all sides, because at the end of the day, everybody,
we all love the sport. It's just a matter of
making it the best it can possibly be by providing
what it is that we think is wrong or what
fighters or commentators or contributors or fans or whoever else
promoters can do better, because I think we can all
do better. That's what I think, though, you guys, let
me know in the comments. What happens next to show
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biz is gonna actually get a no running rule implemented.
Are you gonna see Ring Magazine or REOCE season cards
a little different based on who is fighting in a
certain way and who's going to be on them. I
don't have any of those answers yet, but as far
as they avoidance of contact in a combat sport goes,
it's got a change, That's what I think. But I
guess we'll find out
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