September 28, 2022 • 28 mins
From log cabin beginnings to positions of great power, let's find out more about Abe Lincoln and Dolly Parton with our super smart contestants. Abe Lincoln stops by the studio on the campaign trail.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, Elliott, here take a campaign button. Oh hi, be,
let's see here be for president. Yeah. We're learning about
Abraham Lincoln today on the show, and I was inspired.
He is a pretty inspirational figure. Okay, tell me about
your platform. Oh wow, this is the first time anyone's asked. Um,
my platform is six ft tall, as I don't want
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my constituents to think I'm far above them and about
eight feet wide because I like to walk around when
i'm speaking. You know who wants to stand behind a
podium the whole time? Uh? Sorry, I'll be clear. I meant,
what are you running on? Mostly liquorician cappuccito? It takes
a lot of energy to run for office. Well, be,
I always admire your ambition, but I think there's a
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few more things to sort out before you run for
president of the United States. What no, no, no, I'm
campaigning to be president of the Dolly Parton Fan Club.
Who wants to live in Washington, d C. When you
could live in Dollywood Dot that's Dolly Parton's amusement park,
which is I assume the president of the Dolly Parton
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Fan Club residences. Well, I'm happy to report that we're
also learning about Dolly Parton today, so maybe we'll find out.
I also assume the president of Dolly's fan club only
works nine to five. What a way to make a living? Eric,
Please play the theme song here? What do you think
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you know about the grains from this store? The game
is on to get some energy and buckle up your brain.
Cousin's signed to play the Whos podcast because it's time
to play Who Live from top Land or so called
so Cow Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was? The history
(01:46):
push show that gives contestants the chance to win mega
prizes and podcast Glorie, I'm being your favorite person who
says her name before she says Elliott's name. And here's
your host, the man who pops Wheelie's on his station
every bike. It's Elliot Kalin. Thank You'll be very difficult
takes a lot of core strength and welcome everyone to
(02:07):
the Who Was Podcast. This show it's like Jeopardy, only
with surprise guests, silly games, and a haunted player piano.
Our contestants were sent who Was books about two great
figures from history. Now they're here to show off their
knowledge in the hopes of winning fantastic prizes. Prizes. Today,
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we're discussing a couple of log cabin kids, Abraham Lincoln
and Dumley Barton. But before we get to know them,
let's get to know our contestants. First. Up, we have
Katie Hatie. Would you please introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Katie.
I love singing and dancing and musical theater. Oh my goodness.
All right, well, what is one of your favorite musicals?
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I love Hamilton's Okay, I thought maybe you would say
that scene is on your You're on a history push
show and you love musicals. Are there any musicals that
you have been in. I've been in Matilda, so that's
one of my favorite books and one of my favorite musicals.
I was a Manda trip when I got trimmed by
my painktails. Oh my gosh, that's amazing, Katie. We're so
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excited to have you on the show today. Thank you
for being here. And how um apropos that that you're
on a show with Dolly Parton because was an awesome
musical too. All right, up, next, we have Ranger. Ranger,
please introduce yourself. Hi, my name's Ranger. I love cats
and I have growing risk cats at my house. Oh Wow. Okay,
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because when you first said I love cats again, I
thought you were talking about cats the musical and I
thought we had I thought we had a couple of
musical theater folks on our hands. But the fact that
you also just love cats the animal is also very
exciting to me. So what are the what are your
cat's names? I have a kitten that's name to Apple,
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and I have two cats that in two is named
to Burn and one's name. Two of those are lovely names,
all things that can be found in nature. And also
I assume you named Apple after Gwenna Paltrow's daughter. Actually
don't know what Acco's name was after. I would just
say it's such a sweet name for a cat. But
you just have to be careful because if someone says
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I'm hungry, I want to eat an apple, you don't
want to accidentally give them your cat's. Yeah, don't make
that mistake. Thank you so much both of you for
being here, Thank you so much for joining us, and
thank you to Erk, our musician, providing that lovely Meet
the contestants music. So that's who is Now let's find
out who was Abraham Lincoln with four fast facts facts.
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Abraham Lincoln was born in eighteen o nine and died
in eighteen sixty five. Abraham Lincoln is considered by many,
including me, to be America's greatest president. In eighteen sixty three,
President Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation that declared forever
free those people enslaved within the Confederacy. Lincoln strongly adership
during the American Civil War kept America from splitting into
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two different countries. And now let's keep right zooming. Just
like that, four fast facts sound into our first game.
It's one honest, abe, who would have loved? True or false? True? False?
Is a true? Fause? Is it false? Or is a true?
It is a truth that it has false? Is it
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false that it was true? Or true? True or false.
Here's how this game works. The will read a statement
and you'll tell us if it's true or false. You
guessed it false. And since it's our first game of
the show, each question is worth one point, Katie, You'll
be going first. True or false. Lincoln's famous speech, the
Gettysburg Address, was only about two minutes long. True. That's right,
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It's true. People were becoming more and war disillusioned with
the Civil War, especially when Abraham Lincoln enacted a draft,
the first time in American history when men were forced
to enlist in the armed forces during the war. At
the dedicate of Gettysburg National Cemetery, Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address,
and in just two minutes, he reminded his audience that
the United States was the first country founded on the
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idea of equality, that it was up to them to
keep it alive. Ranger Europe next, True or Fox. When
Lincoln was seven, his family moved from Kentucky to Indiana,
one of the reasons being that Kentucky was a slave
state while Indiana was a free state. True. That's right,
that's true. The Lincoln family aided slavery. Abraham Lincoln said
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he was quote naturally anti slavery for as far back
as he could remember. That may seem like an obvious
thing to say now, because yes, slavery is terrible, but
in Lincoln's time, slavery was considered by many people to
be not only normal but natural. It also points to
why Lincoln was determined to end slavery as President. Katie,
back to you for the next question. True Fox. As
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a boy, Abraham Lincoln would write on wood instead of paper. True.
He didn't have any paper because it was expensive. Very true.
Lincoln's family was poor and paper was expensive and hard
to get your exactly right. After he learned how to read,
Abraham would read books very carefully to make sure he
really understood them. And when he wanted to write down
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a passage from a book, he'd write it on a
piece of wood, and then when the wood got so
black and written over that he couldn't read it anymore,
he'd shaved the wood and start again. So, kids, when
you're reading your kindle, just think of America's sixteenth president
reading his kindle lying thank you. It's a little you know,
tinder humor. Yeah, very nice. The time ranger, this final
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question is for you. Abraham Lincoln was very strict when
it came to his sons while living in the White House. False. False,
that's right. President Lincoln and his wife Mary never scolded
their boys or tried to make them behave Lincoln sometimes
talked to his generals during the Civil War with one
of his sons climbing up his chair and onto his shoulders.
At the time, it was actually pretty unusual for children
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to live in the White House, but Lincoln didn't mind
his boy's interruptions. In fact, with all his responsibilities, including
being in the middle of a civil war. Like we said,
his younger son's Ted and Willie could really make him smile.
And that's the end of true or false, true, true,
true orful. That was a great round. And now it's
time to go to producer Jane, who never scolds me
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no matter how many times I climb on her shoulders
for the scores. Jane, who's in the league? Oh, Elliot, hey,
you're heavy and being arranger and Katie are chew each
it's a chime. Sounds like it's anybody's game going into
the second round. That's right, b But first we're going
to take ourselves upbreak Eric, please play us some Kids
(08:40):
in the White House music, No running. Welcome back to
the Who Last podcast. Today we're learning who was Abraham Lincoln?
And who is Dolly Parton? And now back to your host,
Elliott Caitlin. Thank you being Now let's find out who
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is Dolly Partner with four fast facts cospects. Dolly Parton
was born in ninety six in seven Year County, Tennessee,
and she continues to make incredible music and do incredible
things for this world. After making her first radio appearance
at age ten, she became one of the queens of
country music. Dolly has her own amusement park called Dollywood.
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Dolly has eleven Grammys, thirteen Academy of Country Music Awards, Oscar,
Emmy and Tony nominations, and she has an honorary doctorate
from the University of Tennessee. Hospects Dolly Parton is so cool.
I know. Can you imagine having your own amusement park? Yeah,
I think about it every day, not et. I've the kids,
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the contestants, contestants, if you had your own amusement park,
what ride would you most want to have their, Katie,
What would your amusement park have in it? It would
have one roller coaster that goes around to the entire park,
with two different versions of it, one slow so you
can look at the park, and a fast ones for
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the trial seekers who want to go on something that
does their taps. Oh wow. I love that something for
everyone and you get to see the park. And I
meant because there's gonna be a lot of amazing things
to see him at park. I'm imagining because it's gonna
be like a lot of musical theater in that park.
I'm guessing a lot of a lot of musical theater
based rides. Hamilton's the ride, maybe fil on the Roof
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where you're like after you're falling off a roof or something,
and maybe there's like guys and dolls where let's just
say that's a ferris wheel. Okay, Ranger, your amusement park,
what would you have in it? Probably a really tall
rock climbing place climate for a prize? What kind of
prizes would you give? What kind of price would you
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get for climbing the wall? Like probably big ted bears. Oh,
I love it, contestants, those are great answers, great parks
if any uh the musical park. The builders are listening
right now. Get in touch with Katie and Ranger. We've
got to build those parks. But first, it's signed rust
to go on a ride of our own, a musical
journey in fact, with our second game, and each question
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is worth two points. That's right. This game is B
sides side. Now, let me explain that title for the
younger people in the audience and also on the show.
Before we were all streaming music on demand left and
right from the internet. We had record albums which have
two sides on them. The A side usually had the
hit song on it, and the B side was another
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song that was less well known. So we found some
of Dolly Parton's unreleased lyrics, and if you elect me
president of Dolly's fan club, I will release all of
Dolly's unreleased music. You know, if it's okay with her. Yeah,
but you should probably make sure it's okay with Dolly
Parton before you start releasing all of her lyrics. But
in this game, you'll listen to the lyrics and tell
us what she was writing about for two points each Ranger,
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this first song is for you. Elvis wanted to buy
my song? I turned down at King's ransom. Some thought
I was wrong, but the rewards have been handsome. Okay, Ranger,
What song did Elvis want to buy from Dolly? Was
it a up town funk b Jolene or see I
Will Always Love You be I'm so sorry. The answer
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is seeing. Elvis wanted to buy Dolly's song I Will
Always Love You, which means he would have owned it.
Dolly said no. Since then, many singers have performed the song,
of the most famous version being Whitney Houston's from the
Bodyguards soundtrack. Dolly has said she's made so much from
that one song that she could have bought Elvis's Home
Grace Land. Okay, Katie, it's your turn. Next, here we
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go be take it away. Kids can't read if they
lack the literary So I decided to start my very
own library. What library is Dolly Parton talking about starting
a the Library of Congress, be the Imagination Library or
see the New York Public Library. B that's right. The
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answer is be. Dolly started Dolly Parton's Imagination Library, which
gave one book a month to every child in her
childhood hometown, Sevier County. Since then, more than a hundred
and eighty four million books have been handed out in
the United States, Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Kids
called Dolly the book Lady, a name she wears proudly. Okay, Ranger,
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this next one is for you. They put me in
the Hall of Fame. It was such an honor for
this grand dame. What hall of fame is Dolly Parton
talking about being inducted into here is that the A
W W. E. Hall of Fame? Be the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame or see the Country Music Hall
of Fame. See that's right. The answer is c in.
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Dolly was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame. Typically,
this is an honor given to people at the end
of their careers, but not Dolly. She got that award
over twenty years ago, and even today she's nowhere close
to the end of making incredible new music. Okay, Katie,
you get the final set of lyrics. I had big dreams,
no one could stop me. That's how I got to
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the Grand Old Opery. So how old was Dolly when
she first performed at the legendary Grand Ole Opry A thirteen,
B thirty one or C three A that's right. A.
When she was thirteen, Dolly's uncle Bill drove her to
Nashville to try and get her on the opery. It
was almost impossible due to her age. It would have
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been even more impossible if she was three. But after
Bill begged the performers to let Dolly go on, one
of them let her take their place. That was so
nice of them. Johnny Cash, a famous country music singer,
even introduced her to the audience. Four thousand people were
there that night, and Dolly had three encores, and that's
B sides. So in a moment, we'll go to our
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own member of the score keeping Hall of Fame producer
Jane First B And I you mean Dolly Parton fan club,
President B. I've got this election in the bag. Nobody
has my deep dive DOLLI knowledge or my mad political skills.
Not so fast, you'll find I can best you in
both of those arenas. Abraham Lincoln, the same I came
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here through the who was app who was? You want
to be somewhere in the best, And I came here
to challenge be for the office of president. And I
shall defeat her the same way I defeated Stephen Douglas
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in the presidential election of eighteen sixty in arousing one
on one debate, old on, Mr Lincoln. Didn't you debate
Stephen Douglas during the campaign to be Senator from Illinois
in eighteen fifty eight and you actually lost that election?
Oh fine, that is technically correct, though, But I did
defeat him in the presidential election of a sixty. You
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could be the judge of the debate, nerd. Yes, finally
a chance to be a part of history. Okay, President Lincoln,
I was going to decide who would get the first
opening statement with a coin toss, But your faces on
the coin, so I figure you in the toss. So
tell us why would you be the best president of
the Dolly Parton Fan Club. Three score and sixteen years ago.
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That's ago Dolly Pond's parents brought into this world a
new country superstar. She was born in Tennessee, and I
was born, as Dolly might say, two doors down in Kentucky.
But both of us had humble beginnings and log cabins.
I promised to keep Dolly's fans united, just as I
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kept this nation united during the Civil War. As the
president of the Dolly Pont Fan Club, I'd worked nine
to five to make sure that you Dolly fans can
always Joe lean on me to get the job done. Anyway,
seemed like a pretty open and chuck case to me.
So Lincoln powerful arguments, very powerful. Okay, b are you
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ready for your rebuttal okay, sure, Mr Lincoln seems like
a great guy, what with winning the Civil War and
the Emancipation Proclamation ending the scourge of slavery in America?
And who could forget all those great speeches he wrote
be you're kind of arguing Lincoln's case forever. All right,
let me finish. Sure he did all that stuff, but
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does he know what it's like to be just like
Dolly and write over three thousand songs, or to release
five hit albums in one year, or learn how to
play the guitar, the piano, trump, saxophone, and something I
don't really know what it is called the dulcimer. Has
he ever had to find the courage to record a
song unruffled moments after his car crashed into the wall
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of the recording studio like Dolly once had to do? Wow?
Mr Lincoln? Your response, I'll admit I've um never don
any of those things. But has b I have? Mr
Lincoln as recently as this afternoon, need proof? Just look
out of the window of this studio. Is that? Yes?
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My far crashed into the wall because I thought I
saw a funny cloud. Why should I be the president
of the Dolly Parton Fan Club because I am just
like Dolly Parton aside from the hit albums and playing
instruments and all that charitable stuff she does. And under
my leadership, fandom of the Dolly by the Dolly and
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for the Dolly shall not perish from this earth. B.
That was beautiful. Um, excuse me, she just stole the
end of my Gettisburg address speech. You know, of the people,
by the people, for the people. Don't be a sore loser, Abe,
because B is the winner, hailed the new chief of
the Dolly Parton fan Club. No hard feeling saved. In
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a democracy, it is the responsibility of the defeated candidate
to peacefully concede to the winner. Congratulations President B. And
now I excuse me, full score and seven minutes ago,
I was late for having chicken fingers with Shakespeare. Fairly well,
who was Hey, Elliott, how'd you like to be my
ice president? You mean vice president? So if anything happened
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to you, I'd take over the fan club. No, I
mean ice president, the person who freshens up my ice tea. Yes,
madam President. And while I do that, let's take a
short break, Eric, would you please play us some book
Lady music librarian Sally who was asked Marie Curie. You
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may remember me from winning multiple Nobel Prizes or fats
from my episode out of the Who Worst Podcast where
I played myself. I wanted to take a moment to
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Radio up or wherever you get your podcasts. A revoir
or should I stay Abbia do? Welcome back to the
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Whoas Podcast. Today we're learning who was Abraham Lincoln and
who is Dolly Parton? And now back to your host,
Elliott Calin. Thanks Be, and without further ado, let's go
to producer Jane for the scores. Elliott and Be. It's
a very close game. Katie has six and rangers right
behind with four. Thanks Jane. It's incredibly close. Still anybody's game.
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It's so exciting and now we've reached the peak of
the game. Converge of greatness so inspiring. In this multiple
choice game, we'll explore how Dolly Parton and Abraham Lincoln connect,
overlap or converge. Choose the best answer for each question,
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and because we're dealing with double the history, each question
will be worth triple the points three points. That's three
points for a question. Ready. The first question goes to
Katie B Take it away. Both Abraham Lincoln and Dolly
Parton came from backgrounds of poverty. In fact, the walls
of Dolly's childhood at home were covered in a newspaper
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b anchovies or see photographs of the family a newspaper.
That's right. The answer is a Dolly grew up in
a log cabin and the walls were covered in newspaper
because they didn't have wallpaper. Ali said that they had
two rooms and a path and running water if you
were willing to run and get it. She meant that
kids had to run and fetch water from outside. They
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couldn't just go to a sink and turn on the faucet. Ranger.
The next question is for you. Dolly Partner and Abraham
Lincoln both have signature looks. Dolly has her big, beautiful
blonde hair and Lincoln has his a mohawk b spinning
bow tie or see tall hat and beard. See that's right.
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The answer is c although that spinning bow tie would
be hilarious. Abraham Lincoln were a very tall hat called
a stove pipe hat due to its resemblance to the
pipe that releases the smoke from a soap. We remember
Lincoln as having his trademark chin beard, but he didn't
always have one. During his presidential campaign, Lincoln received a
letter from the eleven year old girl named Grace Spidel,
and she said he looked more like a president if
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he had a beard, so he grew one. Thanks Grace,
you're one of the great beard inspirers. Katie, you've got
the next question. Both Abraham Lincoln and Dolly Partner had
success because of their talents, but also because they're both smart,
warm people that others like to be around. Dolly's good
nature and charm led to an opportunity she hadn't previously
considered for herself. Was it A being a movie star,
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B being a ninja or see being a professional skateboarder
being a movie star? I forgot which letter that was.
That is okay, The most important part is the words.
Unless the letter of the answer was A a movie star,
we'll give it to you because the movie star is
the important part. Jane Fonda sent Dolly a script for
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a movie called nine to five, and the role was
an offered Dolly couldn't refuse. It's a comedy about three
women who decided to get even with their terrible boss.
Dolly wrote the movie's theme song, also called nine to five.
Both the movie and the song were big hits. Dolly's
character in the movie even becomes a country singer at
the end. Uh spoiler alert for nine to five. Sorry,
but talk about the part she was born to play. Okay, ranger.
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Let's bring it home with the final question. Both Dolly
Purton and Abraham Lincoln have toured for work. Dolly, of
course as a musician, and Abraham when he was a
a a traveling salesman, be a traveling electrician or see
a traveling lawyer. See that's right. The answer is see.
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There wasn't enough business in Springfield, Illinois, where Lincoln lived
for a lawyer to live on, so like most Western lawyers,
Lincoln had to travel to towns all around the state.
Twice a year, a judge would visit all the towns
too small to have their own courts. Lincoln became part
of the group of lawyers who followed the judge's route,
kind of like the band fish, but for jurisprudence. And
that's converge of greatness. And the end of that game
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means it's just about the end of the show, while
Jane Tally's the final score. I would love to hear
from the contestants. Contestants, what was something you were surprised
to learn about Dolly Parton and Abraham Lincoln? Katie, what
surprised you? I was surprised that inside the Dolly Parton
book it says that she was a tomboy when she
was younger, and once she jumped over a fence and
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cut her fingers so badly that her mom had to
sew them back on. Like, oh my gosh. Yeah, that
that sounds like a very scary thing to do. But yeah,
Dolly's had a thousand lives. She's really great. Yeah, like
a cat, like a cat. Yeah, Okay, Ranger, what surprised
you about Dolly Parton or Abraham Lincoln? I'm surprised that
Dolly gave way five dollars two people that finished college. Yeah,
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she's a very generous person. Right. One of the things
that so inspiring about Dolly Parton is her dedication to
helping other people get the kind of step up in
life that she didn't get to have, and so she
wants people to finish their education, and she didn't get
a full official education herself, but she wants other people
to have that head certain life. So it's just really nice.
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She does so much nice stuff and again, very good
at playing guitar. I don't know, it's almost unfair that
she's such a nice person and it is also very
talented at things. I know what it's like to be
a super kind person who's also very talented. Let me
tell you, it's a burden, but somehow I managed to
do it. Such an inspiration to all of us. Be
we really appreciate it. Thank you both. And now for
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the big moment, the real inspirational moment when Dolly Parton
will be envious of one of our contestants. Jane, please
announce our winner. It was such a close game. Ranger
had ten points, but our winner, Katie sprang ahead with twelve.
Oh so close. Congratulations Katie Ranger, you played a great
game and great very proud of it. Katie. As our winner,
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you have ten seconds for shoutouts. Gil Court, who would
you like to thank for your win today? I want
to thank my mom, my dad, my brother, my family,
my friends, and anyone else who has helped me a
long way beautiful. Wow, I I see in you um
a future Tony winning speech. So it was nice to
see the younger version that way to go. Yeah you
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can you you can use that same speech again when
we win that Tony. It's gonna be fantastic our winner
and their library of choice receiving a selection of Who
Was books and maybe someday at Tony Who Knows? And
I'm going to give a shout out to intern Zach
Jane Eric and Jonah Ray for being our Abraham Lincoln.
And of course thanks to be and a big thank
you to both of our contestants who played an amazing
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game today should both be very proud and the most
thanks of all to you wherever you are for listening.
Next week join us again as we find out Who
Was two more amazing figures in history. Until then, this
is Elliott Talhattan Beard Calin saying we are history. Goodbye.
Everybody got a question for any of our famous figures,
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Hi, Elliott, here take a campaign button. Oh hi, be,
let's see here be for president. Yeah. We're learning about
Abraham Lincoln today on the show, and I was inspired.
He is a pretty inspirational figure. Okay, tell me about
your platform. Oh wow, this is the first time anyone's asked. Um,
my platform is six ft tall, as I don't want
(00:21):
my constituents to think I'm far above them and about
eight feet wide because I like to walk around when
i'm speaking. You know who wants to stand behind a
podium the whole time? Uh? Sorry, I'll be clear. I meant,
what are you running on? Mostly liquorician cappuccito? It takes
a lot of energy to run for office. Well, be,
I always admire your ambition, but I think there's a
(00:41):
few more things to sort out before you run for
president of the United States. What no, no, no, I'm
campaigning to be president of the Dolly Parton Fan Club.
Who wants to live in Washington, d C. When you
could live in Dollywood Dot that's Dolly Parton's amusement park,
which is I assume the president of the Dolly Parton
(01:02):
Fan Club residences. Well, I'm happy to report that we're
also learning about Dolly Parton today, so maybe we'll find out.
I also assume the president of Dolly's fan club only
works nine to five. What a way to make a living? Eric,
Please play the theme song here? What do you think
(01:22):
you know about the grains from this store? The game
is on to get some energy and buckle up your brain.
Cousin's signed to play the Whos podcast because it's time
to play Who Live from top Land or so called
so Cow Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was? The history
(01:46):
push show that gives contestants the chance to win mega
prizes and podcast Glorie, I'm being your favorite person who
says her name before she says Elliott's name. And here's
your host, the man who pops Wheelie's on his station
every bike. It's Elliot Kalin. Thank You'll be very difficult
takes a lot of core strength and welcome everyone to
(02:07):
the Who Was Podcast. This show it's like Jeopardy, only
with surprise guests, silly games, and a haunted player piano.
Our contestants were sent who Was books about two great
figures from history. Now they're here to show off their
knowledge in the hopes of winning fantastic prizes. Prizes. Today,
(02:27):
we're discussing a couple of log cabin kids, Abraham Lincoln
and Dumley Barton. But before we get to know them,
let's get to know our contestants. First. Up, we have
Katie Hatie. Would you please introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Katie.
I love singing and dancing and musical theater. Oh my goodness.
All right, well, what is one of your favorite musicals?
(02:50):
I love Hamilton's Okay, I thought maybe you would say
that scene is on your You're on a history push
show and you love musicals. Are there any musicals that
you have been in. I've been in Matilda, so that's
one of my favorite books and one of my favorite musicals.
I was a Manda trip when I got trimmed by
my painktails. Oh my gosh, that's amazing, Katie. We're so
(03:13):
excited to have you on the show today. Thank you
for being here. And how um apropos that that you're
on a show with Dolly Parton because was an awesome
musical too. All right, up, next, we have Ranger. Ranger,
please introduce yourself. Hi, my name's Ranger. I love cats
and I have growing risk cats at my house. Oh Wow. Okay,
(03:36):
because when you first said I love cats again, I
thought you were talking about cats the musical and I
thought we had I thought we had a couple of
musical theater folks on our hands. But the fact that
you also just love cats the animal is also very
exciting to me. So what are the what are your
cat's names? I have a kitten that's name to Apple,
(03:56):
and I have two cats that in two is named
to Burn and one's name. Two of those are lovely names,
all things that can be found in nature. And also
I assume you named Apple after Gwenna Paltrow's daughter. Actually
don't know what Acco's name was after. I would just
say it's such a sweet name for a cat. But
you just have to be careful because if someone says
(04:17):
I'm hungry, I want to eat an apple, you don't
want to accidentally give them your cat's. Yeah, don't make
that mistake. Thank you so much both of you for
being here, Thank you so much for joining us, and
thank you to Erk, our musician, providing that lovely Meet
the contestants music. So that's who is Now let's find
out who was Abraham Lincoln with four fast facts facts.
(04:41):
Abraham Lincoln was born in eighteen o nine and died
in eighteen sixty five. Abraham Lincoln is considered by many,
including me, to be America's greatest president. In eighteen sixty three,
President Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation that declared forever
free those people enslaved within the Confederacy. Lincoln strongly adership
during the American Civil War kept America from splitting into
(05:03):
two different countries. And now let's keep right zooming. Just
like that, four fast facts sound into our first game.
It's one honest, abe, who would have loved? True or false? True? False?
Is a true? Fause? Is it false? Or is a true?
It is a truth that it has false? Is it
(05:24):
false that it was true? Or true? True or false.
Here's how this game works. The will read a statement
and you'll tell us if it's true or false. You
guessed it false. And since it's our first game of
the show, each question is worth one point, Katie, You'll
be going first. True or false. Lincoln's famous speech, the
Gettysburg Address, was only about two minutes long. True. That's right,
(05:48):
It's true. People were becoming more and war disillusioned with
the Civil War, especially when Abraham Lincoln enacted a draft,
the first time in American history when men were forced
to enlist in the armed forces during the war. At
the dedicate of Gettysburg National Cemetery, Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address,
and in just two minutes, he reminded his audience that
the United States was the first country founded on the
(06:09):
idea of equality, that it was up to them to
keep it alive. Ranger Europe next, True or Fox. When
Lincoln was seven, his family moved from Kentucky to Indiana,
one of the reasons being that Kentucky was a slave
state while Indiana was a free state. True. That's right,
that's true. The Lincoln family aided slavery. Abraham Lincoln said
(06:32):
he was quote naturally anti slavery for as far back
as he could remember. That may seem like an obvious
thing to say now, because yes, slavery is terrible, but
in Lincoln's time, slavery was considered by many people to
be not only normal but natural. It also points to
why Lincoln was determined to end slavery as President. Katie,
back to you for the next question. True Fox. As
(06:54):
a boy, Abraham Lincoln would write on wood instead of paper. True.
He didn't have any paper because it was expensive. Very true.
Lincoln's family was poor and paper was expensive and hard
to get your exactly right. After he learned how to read,
Abraham would read books very carefully to make sure he
really understood them. And when he wanted to write down
(07:14):
a passage from a book, he'd write it on a
piece of wood, and then when the wood got so
black and written over that he couldn't read it anymore,
he'd shaved the wood and start again. So, kids, when
you're reading your kindle, just think of America's sixteenth president
reading his kindle lying thank you. It's a little you know,
tinder humor. Yeah, very nice. The time ranger, this final
(07:37):
question is for you. Abraham Lincoln was very strict when
it came to his sons while living in the White House. False. False,
that's right. President Lincoln and his wife Mary never scolded
their boys or tried to make them behave Lincoln sometimes
talked to his generals during the Civil War with one
of his sons climbing up his chair and onto his shoulders.
At the time, it was actually pretty unusual for children
(07:59):
to live in the White House, but Lincoln didn't mind
his boy's interruptions. In fact, with all his responsibilities, including
being in the middle of a civil war. Like we said,
his younger son's Ted and Willie could really make him smile.
And that's the end of true or false, true, true,
true orful. That was a great round. And now it's
time to go to producer Jane, who never scolds me
(08:20):
no matter how many times I climb on her shoulders
for the scores. Jane, who's in the league? Oh, Elliot, hey,
you're heavy and being arranger and Katie are chew each
it's a chime. Sounds like it's anybody's game going into
the second round. That's right, b But first we're going
to take ourselves upbreak Eric, please play us some Kids
(08:40):
in the White House music, No running. Welcome back to
the Who Last podcast. Today we're learning who was Abraham Lincoln?
And who is Dolly Parton? And now back to your host,
Elliott Caitlin. Thank you being Now let's find out who
(09:00):
is Dolly Partner with four fast facts cospects. Dolly Parton
was born in ninety six in seven Year County, Tennessee,
and she continues to make incredible music and do incredible
things for this world. After making her first radio appearance
at age ten, she became one of the queens of
country music. Dolly has her own amusement park called Dollywood.
(09:24):
Dolly has eleven Grammys, thirteen Academy of Country Music Awards, Oscar,
Emmy and Tony nominations, and she has an honorary doctorate
from the University of Tennessee. Hospects Dolly Parton is so cool.
I know. Can you imagine having your own amusement park? Yeah,
I think about it every day, not et. I've the kids,
(09:48):
the contestants, contestants, if you had your own amusement park,
what ride would you most want to have their, Katie,
What would your amusement park have in it? It would
have one roller coaster that goes around to the entire park,
with two different versions of it, one slow so you
can look at the park, and a fast ones for
(10:08):
the trial seekers who want to go on something that
does their taps. Oh wow. I love that something for
everyone and you get to see the park. And I
meant because there's gonna be a lot of amazing things
to see him at park. I'm imagining because it's gonna
be like a lot of musical theater in that park.
I'm guessing a lot of a lot of musical theater
based rides. Hamilton's the ride, maybe fil on the Roof
(10:29):
where you're like after you're falling off a roof or something,
and maybe there's like guys and dolls where let's just
say that's a ferris wheel. Okay, Ranger, your amusement park,
what would you have in it? Probably a really tall
rock climbing place climate for a prize? What kind of
prizes would you give? What kind of price would you
(10:51):
get for climbing the wall? Like probably big ted bears. Oh,
I love it, contestants, those are great answers, great parks
if any uh the musical park. The builders are listening
right now. Get in touch with Katie and Ranger. We've
got to build those parks. But first, it's signed rust
to go on a ride of our own, a musical
journey in fact, with our second game, and each question
(11:12):
is worth two points. That's right. This game is B
sides side. Now, let me explain that title for the
younger people in the audience and also on the show.
Before we were all streaming music on demand left and
right from the internet. We had record albums which have
two sides on them. The A side usually had the
hit song on it, and the B side was another
(11:35):
song that was less well known. So we found some
of Dolly Parton's unreleased lyrics, and if you elect me
president of Dolly's fan club, I will release all of
Dolly's unreleased music. You know, if it's okay with her. Yeah,
but you should probably make sure it's okay with Dolly
Parton before you start releasing all of her lyrics. But
in this game, you'll listen to the lyrics and tell
us what she was writing about for two points each Ranger,
(11:58):
this first song is for you. Elvis wanted to buy
my song? I turned down at King's ransom. Some thought
I was wrong, but the rewards have been handsome. Okay, Ranger,
What song did Elvis want to buy from Dolly? Was
it a up town funk b Jolene or see I
Will Always Love You be I'm so sorry. The answer
(12:22):
is seeing. Elvis wanted to buy Dolly's song I Will
Always Love You, which means he would have owned it.
Dolly said no. Since then, many singers have performed the song,
of the most famous version being Whitney Houston's from the
Bodyguards soundtrack. Dolly has said she's made so much from
that one song that she could have bought Elvis's Home
Grace Land. Okay, Katie, it's your turn. Next, here we
(12:42):
go be take it away. Kids can't read if they
lack the literary So I decided to start my very
own library. What library is Dolly Parton talking about starting
a the Library of Congress, be the Imagination Library or
see the New York Public Library. B that's right. The
(13:03):
answer is be. Dolly started Dolly Parton's Imagination Library, which
gave one book a month to every child in her
childhood hometown, Sevier County. Since then, more than a hundred
and eighty four million books have been handed out in
the United States, Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Kids
called Dolly the book Lady, a name she wears proudly. Okay, Ranger,
(13:25):
this next one is for you. They put me in
the Hall of Fame. It was such an honor for
this grand dame. What hall of fame is Dolly Parton
talking about being inducted into here is that the A
W W. E. Hall of Fame? Be the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame or see the Country Music Hall
of Fame. See that's right. The answer is c in.
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Dolly was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame. Typically,
this is an honor given to people at the end
of their careers, but not Dolly. She got that award
over twenty years ago, and even today she's nowhere close
to the end of making incredible new music. Okay, Katie,
you get the final set of lyrics. I had big dreams,
no one could stop me. That's how I got to
(14:08):
the Grand Old Opery. So how old was Dolly when
she first performed at the legendary Grand Ole Opry A thirteen,
B thirty one or C three A that's right. A.
When she was thirteen, Dolly's uncle Bill drove her to
Nashville to try and get her on the opery. It
was almost impossible due to her age. It would have
(14:30):
been even more impossible if she was three. But after
Bill begged the performers to let Dolly go on, one
of them let her take their place. That was so
nice of them. Johnny Cash, a famous country music singer,
even introduced her to the audience. Four thousand people were
there that night, and Dolly had three encores, and that's
B sides. So in a moment, we'll go to our
(14:51):
own member of the score keeping Hall of Fame producer
Jane First B And I you mean Dolly Parton fan club,
President B. I've got this election in the bag. Nobody
has my deep dive DOLLI knowledge or my mad political skills.
Not so fast, you'll find I can best you in
both of those arenas. Abraham Lincoln, the same I came
(15:13):
here through the who was app who was? You want
to be somewhere in the best, And I came here
to challenge be for the office of president. And I
shall defeat her the same way I defeated Stephen Douglas
(15:34):
in the presidential election of eighteen sixty in arousing one
on one debate, old on, Mr Lincoln. Didn't you debate
Stephen Douglas during the campaign to be Senator from Illinois
in eighteen fifty eight and you actually lost that election?
Oh fine, that is technically correct, though, But I did
defeat him in the presidential election of a sixty. You
(15:57):
could be the judge of the debate, nerd. Yes, finally
a chance to be a part of history. Okay, President Lincoln,
I was going to decide who would get the first
opening statement with a coin toss, But your faces on
the coin, so I figure you in the toss. So
tell us why would you be the best president of
the Dolly Parton Fan Club. Three score and sixteen years ago.
(16:20):
That's ago Dolly Pond's parents brought into this world a
new country superstar. She was born in Tennessee, and I
was born, as Dolly might say, two doors down in Kentucky.
But both of us had humble beginnings and log cabins.
I promised to keep Dolly's fans united, just as I
(16:41):
kept this nation united during the Civil War. As the
president of the Dolly Pont Fan Club, I'd worked nine
to five to make sure that you Dolly fans can
always Joe lean on me to get the job done. Anyway,
seemed like a pretty open and chuck case to me.
So Lincoln powerful arguments, very powerful. Okay, b are you
(17:04):
ready for your rebuttal okay, sure, Mr Lincoln seems like
a great guy, what with winning the Civil War and
the Emancipation Proclamation ending the scourge of slavery in America?
And who could forget all those great speeches he wrote
be you're kind of arguing Lincoln's case forever. All right,
let me finish. Sure he did all that stuff, but
(17:27):
does he know what it's like to be just like
Dolly and write over three thousand songs, or to release
five hit albums in one year, or learn how to
play the guitar, the piano, trump, saxophone, and something I
don't really know what it is called the dulcimer. Has
he ever had to find the courage to record a
song unruffled moments after his car crashed into the wall
(17:50):
of the recording studio like Dolly once had to do? Wow?
Mr Lincoln? Your response, I'll admit I've um never don
any of those things. But has b I have? Mr
Lincoln as recently as this afternoon, need proof? Just look
out of the window of this studio. Is that? Yes?
(18:14):
My far crashed into the wall because I thought I
saw a funny cloud. Why should I be the president
of the Dolly Parton Fan Club because I am just
like Dolly Parton aside from the hit albums and playing
instruments and all that charitable stuff she does. And under
my leadership, fandom of the Dolly by the Dolly and
(18:38):
for the Dolly shall not perish from this earth. B.
That was beautiful. Um, excuse me, she just stole the
end of my Gettisburg address speech. You know, of the people,
by the people, for the people. Don't be a sore loser, Abe,
because B is the winner, hailed the new chief of
the Dolly Parton fan Club. No hard feeling saved. In
(19:02):
a democracy, it is the responsibility of the defeated candidate
to peacefully concede to the winner. Congratulations President B. And
now I excuse me, full score and seven minutes ago,
I was late for having chicken fingers with Shakespeare. Fairly well,
who was Hey, Elliott, how'd you like to be my
ice president? You mean vice president? So if anything happened
(19:25):
to you, I'd take over the fan club. No, I
mean ice president, the person who freshens up my ice tea. Yes,
madam President. And while I do that, let's take a
short break, Eric, would you please play us some book
Lady music librarian Sally who was asked Marie Curie. You
(19:55):
may remember me from winning multiple Nobel Prizes or fats
from my episode out of the Who Worst Podcast where
I played myself. I wanted to take a moment to
read one of my favorite reviews about the Whoas podcast.
This is from Shake and Bay and it reads loved
this Me and my little sister love this show more. Please.
(20:17):
Our faith is Arietman. If you want to hear your
review right on the app, make sure to subscribe, like,
and review to the Oas Podcasts in the I Heart
Radio up or wherever you get your podcasts. A revoir
or should I stay Abbia do? Welcome back to the
(20:39):
Whoas Podcast. Today we're learning who was Abraham Lincoln and
who is Dolly Parton? And now back to your host,
Elliott Calin. Thanks Be, and without further ado, let's go
to producer Jane for the scores. Elliott and Be. It's
a very close game. Katie has six and rangers right
behind with four. Thanks Jane. It's incredibly close. Still anybody's game.
(21:03):
It's so exciting and now we've reached the peak of
the game. Converge of greatness so inspiring. In this multiple
choice game, we'll explore how Dolly Parton and Abraham Lincoln connect,
overlap or converge. Choose the best answer for each question,
(21:26):
and because we're dealing with double the history, each question
will be worth triple the points three points. That's three
points for a question. Ready. The first question goes to
Katie B Take it away. Both Abraham Lincoln and Dolly
Parton came from backgrounds of poverty. In fact, the walls
of Dolly's childhood at home were covered in a newspaper
(21:46):
b anchovies or see photographs of the family a newspaper.
That's right. The answer is a Dolly grew up in
a log cabin and the walls were covered in newspaper
because they didn't have wallpaper. Ali said that they had
two rooms and a path and running water if you
were willing to run and get it. She meant that
kids had to run and fetch water from outside. They
(22:07):
couldn't just go to a sink and turn on the faucet. Ranger.
The next question is for you. Dolly Partner and Abraham
Lincoln both have signature looks. Dolly has her big, beautiful
blonde hair and Lincoln has his a mohawk b spinning
bow tie or see tall hat and beard. See that's right.
(22:28):
The answer is c although that spinning bow tie would
be hilarious. Abraham Lincoln were a very tall hat called
a stove pipe hat due to its resemblance to the
pipe that releases the smoke from a soap. We remember
Lincoln as having his trademark chin beard, but he didn't
always have one. During his presidential campaign, Lincoln received a
letter from the eleven year old girl named Grace Spidel,
and she said he looked more like a president if
(22:49):
he had a beard, so he grew one. Thanks Grace,
you're one of the great beard inspirers. Katie, you've got
the next question. Both Abraham Lincoln and Dolly Partner had
success because of their talents, but also because they're both smart,
warm people that others like to be around. Dolly's good
nature and charm led to an opportunity she hadn't previously
considered for herself. Was it A being a movie star,
(23:14):
B being a ninja or see being a professional skateboarder
being a movie star? I forgot which letter that was.
That is okay, The most important part is the words.
Unless the letter of the answer was A a movie star,
we'll give it to you because the movie star is
the important part. Jane Fonda sent Dolly a script for
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a movie called nine to five, and the role was
an offered Dolly couldn't refuse. It's a comedy about three
women who decided to get even with their terrible boss.
Dolly wrote the movie's theme song, also called nine to five.
Both the movie and the song were big hits. Dolly's
character in the movie even becomes a country singer at
the end. Uh spoiler alert for nine to five. Sorry,
but talk about the part she was born to play. Okay, ranger.
(23:57):
Let's bring it home with the final question. Both Dolly
Purton and Abraham Lincoln have toured for work. Dolly, of
course as a musician, and Abraham when he was a
a a traveling salesman, be a traveling electrician or see
a traveling lawyer. See that's right. The answer is see.
(24:19):
There wasn't enough business in Springfield, Illinois, where Lincoln lived
for a lawyer to live on, so like most Western lawyers,
Lincoln had to travel to towns all around the state.
Twice a year, a judge would visit all the towns
too small to have their own courts. Lincoln became part
of the group of lawyers who followed the judge's route,
kind of like the band fish, but for jurisprudence. And
that's converge of greatness. And the end of that game
(24:50):
means it's just about the end of the show, while
Jane Tally's the final score. I would love to hear
from the contestants. Contestants, what was something you were surprised
to learn about Dolly Parton and Abraham Lincoln? Katie, what
surprised you? I was surprised that inside the Dolly Parton
book it says that she was a tomboy when she
was younger, and once she jumped over a fence and
(25:12):
cut her fingers so badly that her mom had to
sew them back on. Like, oh my gosh. Yeah, that
that sounds like a very scary thing to do. But yeah,
Dolly's had a thousand lives. She's really great. Yeah, like
a cat, like a cat. Yeah, Okay, Ranger, what surprised
you about Dolly Parton or Abraham Lincoln? I'm surprised that
Dolly gave way five dollars two people that finished college. Yeah,
(25:36):
she's a very generous person. Right. One of the things
that so inspiring about Dolly Parton is her dedication to
helping other people get the kind of step up in
life that she didn't get to have, and so she
wants people to finish their education, and she didn't get
a full official education herself, but she wants other people
to have that head certain life. So it's just really nice.
(25:57):
She does so much nice stuff and again, very good
at playing guitar. I don't know, it's almost unfair that
she's such a nice person and it is also very
talented at things. I know what it's like to be
a super kind person who's also very talented. Let me
tell you, it's a burden, but somehow I managed to
do it. Such an inspiration to all of us. Be
we really appreciate it. Thank you both. And now for
(26:17):
the big moment, the real inspirational moment when Dolly Parton
will be envious of one of our contestants. Jane, please
announce our winner. It was such a close game. Ranger
had ten points, but our winner, Katie sprang ahead with twelve.
Oh so close. Congratulations Katie Ranger, you played a great
game and great very proud of it. Katie. As our winner,
(26:40):
you have ten seconds for shoutouts. Gil Court, who would
you like to thank for your win today? I want
to thank my mom, my dad, my brother, my family,
my friends, and anyone else who has helped me a
long way beautiful. Wow, I I see in you um
a future Tony winning speech. So it was nice to
see the younger version that way to go. Yeah you
(27:01):
can you you can use that same speech again when
we win that Tony. It's gonna be fantastic our winner
and their library of choice receiving a selection of Who
Was books and maybe someday at Tony Who Knows? And
I'm going to give a shout out to intern Zach
Jane Eric and Jonah Ray for being our Abraham Lincoln.
And of course thanks to be and a big thank
you to both of our contestants who played an amazing
(27:21):
game today should both be very proud and the most
thanks of all to you wherever you are for listening.
Next week join us again as we find out Who
Was two more amazing figures in history. Until then, this
is Elliott Talhattan Beard Calin saying we are history. Goodbye.
Everybody got a question for any of our famous figures,
Send us a voice memo at who Was Podcast at
(27:44):
gmail dot com. It might just end up on the show.
Who Was Podcast is produced by Radio Point, I Heart
Media and Penguin Workshop and is based on the best
selling Who h Q series published by Penguin. This show
was hosted by Elliott Calin with co host Megan 'neil
as b Also starring Jane Baker as Producer Jane, Eric
Shackney as Eric, and Jonah Ray as Abraham Lincoln. Executive
(28:06):
producers are Richard Corson, Alex Bach, Elliot Klin, Megan O'Neill,
Daniel Powell, and Houston Snyder. Executive producer for Penguin Workshop
is Francesco Sedita. Executive producer Bria Hart. Media is Lindsay Hoffman.
This episode was written by Devin Coleman, Elliott Kaylin, and
Megan O'Neill, produced by Bernie Kaminsky and Taylor Kawalski. Our
talent producer is Jane Baker. Our theme song and music
(28:28):
were composed and performed by Eric Shackney. This show was
edited and mixed by Kate Moldenhower and recorded by Alison Worth.
Special thanks to Zach Timpson, Charlotte Dianda, and Michael Lewis Howard.
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