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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Todd and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.
So if you've been listening to their No I was
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long time and I joined the podcast. Main accounts the
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story of MySpace to talk about the early days of
one of my favorite ever social media platforms. You guessed it,
MySpace and Wyatt was such a huge part of my
online upbringing and development, and it was really fun to
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Speaker 2 (01:31):
This is an iHeart original.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
If the beginning of Tila Tequila being on my radar
as this, like, you know, MySpace influencer for being a
queer woman of color, if that was like the promise
of the Internet. The day that I saw that image
of her in my hometown in DC doing a Nazi
salute at a restaurant with a bunch of al right dirtbags,
that was the nail in the coffin. And so I
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feel like that moment for me really crystallized where we
started and unfortunately where we wound up.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm Joanne McNeil and this his main accounts the story
of MySpace, Episode three, MySpace Famous. In this episode, we're
going to discuss how MySpace, like reality TV, became a
vehicle for celebrity. The people who became famous through the
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platform gave way to the culture of influencers. MySpace felt
like a party. I've heard a few people make this
comparison when I've talked about the platform with them. Recently.
Julia Angwin said it in the first episode of our series.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Was definitely a party atmosphere, and my friend Dorothy Santos
said it too when we were reminiscing about it the
other day.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So I wasn't really seeing MySpace as a professional platform
as this kind of digital party that just would I
could pop in anytime.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, what's something people usually want to know about a
party before they show up? Who is going to be there?
The answer was Tila Tequila.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Was that rare bids you go?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Miss Tila also known as Cio Tequila.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Tila was the party before MySpace. Tila was a model
in Playboy and car shows. In two thousand and three,
she appeared on Surviving Nugent, a reality show on BH
one hosted by Ted Nugent on his Texas ranch.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Lare I can't handle?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But it was social media that made Tila famous.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The very first MySpace kind of influencer celebrity that I
was very, very interested in and like she was on
my top eight and it was this person, Tila Tequila.
When I think about like, who was the first MySpace
big account, it was her.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's Bridget Todd, host of the podcast There Are No
Girls on the Internet on my Space way back when,
Bridget was one of Tila's hundreds of thousands of fans.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
One of the notable things about her is that she
was openly queer. And you know, I'm queer and she's
a person of color. I'm a person of color, and
I remember thinking like, wow, how cool, Like this famous
person of color, you know, has a platform around the
fact that she's queer.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Tila, the daughter of Vietnamese immigrants, was no heiress like
Paris Hilton. Her parents didn't have a lot of money.
She had to hustle to get her name out in
the world. The Internet was part of that hustle.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I have an addiction, yes, okay, So my theramist is
that I have a highly addictive personality, and you know
I do.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
So it's I'm addicts internet. So I'm always sweating them
online trying to fans. I do this, do that, And
I'm addicted to shopping.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I'm addicted to sex.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You know whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
This is how people came to know Tila Tequila. She
sent friend requests to hundreds and hundreds of people. First
she did this on Friendster, and Tila ran into some
trouble doing this because Friendster, compared to MySpace, did not
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feel like a party. Friendster was pretty rigid about rules.
In the summer of two thousand and three, Friendster started
cracking down on accounts known as fakester's accounts that represented
anything other than a user's real identity. So you might
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have seen Marilyn Monroe fakester that was a user impersonating
Marilyn Monroe on Friendster, or you might have come across
a snowy owl fakester and people obsessed with bird watching
would have friended that account. The fakesters became sort of
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like community pages, but Friendster founder Jonathan Abrams hated them.
He hired a bunch of moderators to remove them all.
A group of these outlaw fakesters came together and wrote
an open letter protesting Friendster's policy. The ringleader was someone
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who went by Roy Batti on Friendster, you know, like
the Replicant and blade Runner.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
The corporate masters at Friendster should be thrilled that they
have such a vibrant online community as they now have
on their hands. What they forget is that a living community,
by definition, has a life of its own.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Deleting the photos in or entire accounts of fakesters is
going to rudely, terribly backfire against the management of this
site and will ultimately take the entire community, real or parodied,
down with it.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
The rumblings of descent are already grown, getting louder by
the minute. If Friendster wants to see all of the
goodwill and excellent word of mouth that is generated go
down and scorching, smoking very public flames, then they can
go right ahead with their little extermination campaign. The Internet
is a big place, and we can easily take our
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party somewhere else, to a site where we are not
only tolerated, but enthusiastically embraced.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know where they took that party. I mean, of course,
the fakesters went to MySpace. Friendster was so aggressive about
kicking out faxters that it impacted people using their real
identities on the platform too. This happened to Tila Tequila.
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She kept getting kicked off Friendster for adding too many friends.
Tila knew about MySpace because Tom Anderson had been an
offline acquaintance. He sent her a bunch of invites to
join MySpace, but she declined. It wasn't cool. In Tila's mind.
MySpace wasn't a party yet. The site had just launched,
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and no one was really on MySpace yet except for
Euniverse staff and their immediate friends. Still, it was a
hassle dealing with Friendster mods. Each time Tela's account was
deleted from Friendster, she'd have to rebuild her list of
friends manually add all of her friends again. And in
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September two thousand and three, when Tila got kicked off
Friendster for the fifth time, she'd had enough. Tila finally
took Tom up on his offer, and Tila didn't just
sign up for MySpace, she invited everyone she knew on
Friendster to join her there. At this point, after months
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of strategies to evade friends to mods, she had tens
of thousands of friends on friends der MySpace exploded with
thousands of new users. By two thousand and six, Tila
had over a million MySpace friends. It's possible MySpace never
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would have taken off without Tila if she had declined
Tom's invitation social media history might have gone another way,
and without MySpace, we probably never would have heard about
Tila Tequila. Tila was a new kind of st are,
someone who became famous because of the Internet. Sure, on
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MySpace you called each other friends, but what Tila and
many other Internet celebrities were collecting were really just fans.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Something about her really represents the sort of duality of
all of our Internet experiences, and.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
What happened next in Tila's career feels representative of how
social media itself has changed.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I think about her all the time. It's just such
an interesting case study for what social media and the
Internet can do to people. On the one hand, it
can be this like fabulous way to connect and to
like see yourself and be seen and build a platform
around that. On the other hand, it can be so dark.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You had these people that kind of became known from
MySpace and from this particular scene and had a very
definitive esthetic and sort of cults around them.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
That's Taylor the Runs, a technology reporter at the Washington Post.
Those people today would be just regular influencers. What actually
is an influencer? When we use that word, what are
we talking about?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I think if it as somebody who creates content and
sort of monetizes that content through social platforms or builds
an audience through social platforms. They're almost independent media companies
where there are people that have a lot of times
developed an audience for around their own personality, but it
can also be around a certain interest or style or whatever,
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and then they monetize that online audience. Basically, I guess
someone who builds and then monetizes an online audience.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Taylor makes an interesting distinction. People figured out how to
get famous on MySpace, but it wasn't exactly a business,
not like what you see with internet celebrities on Twitch
or YouTube or Instagram these days.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
My Space was pretty like embedded in sort of the
music industry, not quite the way TikTok is now, but
you know, music was a strong culture of MySpace, and
so you had a lot of people growing audiences on
the platform and using that to get a record deal,
you know, or sell out shows or promote themselves. And
then you kind of had these more like individual figures
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that I think seemed like kind of like party type
of people. And then you of course had celebrities using
it as well, like you know, Katie Perry again because
it was sort of like music adjacent, and Jeffrey Star
started in music.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Jeffree Star, like Tila Tequila, was another larger than life
MySpace superstar. He had an iconic look, mac makeup, hot
pink hair, a look that you could instantly identify in
a thumbnail profile picture. He got famous for creating drama
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and feuding with other MySpace celebrities. But to be honest,
Jeffree Star's deal, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Hello, Hey God, it's Jeffree Star.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, if been in flux with me, they kind of die, okay, love.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
You to your bike.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Why does someone follow a person like Jeffree Star, Like,
what do the users who follow the page of a
celebrity on MySpace get from that interaction?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, a lot of it was like aspiration around kind
of like emo culture or like esthetics. It was like
people with a certain aesthetic, and you would follow these
people because they were like a lot of modern day
influencers or content creators. They were kind of aspirational figures
for that era where they were kind of leading this
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cool party girl lifestyle or they had like, you know,
awesome tattoos and makeup and this.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Aesthetic that people really gravitated to. On MySpace, people could
advertise themselves. Users would post comments like thanks for the
ad when someone added them as friends. The visibility was,
in a way its own reward. Jeffree Starr could get
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gigs for his band through MySpace. Tila Tequila found modeling
and acting opportunities through it, but this happened informally, and
mind you, most people on MySpace were not trying to
be Tila or Jeffrey.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
My Space was never really like pushing you to like
become a creator. You mostly just like looked at other
people's pages. The stakes were so low for the average user,
and nothing on the internet feels that way now.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And if you did become famous on MySpace, it wasn't
entirely clear what that would even bring you.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I never had a strategy because there was no such
thing as being an influencer back then, so like I
literally was just posting my life and I guess people
enjoyed it, so then I kind of built a following.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's Hannahbath. She wasn't an influencer, but she was definitely
MySpace famous.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I never had like a plan where I was like, oh, yeah,
like I'm going to do this, and like that's how
I followers. I literally just did it because I was
having fun, and then a following grew from that, and
people seem to enjoy to watch me and my friends
kind of live our lives.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So Hannah Bath was in high school in southern California,
where she ran in similar circles with jeffree Star. They
were in each other's Top eight. Hannah Bath had an
offbeat fashion sense, which came through in the picture she
posted to MySpace.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
When I first started on MySpace, when I was probably
like around fifteen or so, I was very into like
kind of like a vintage like punk look. I was
listening to a lot of like late seventies punk bands.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I cut my hair.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Really short, and I just like it was kind of
like a vintage punk golf.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Look that I was going with.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
But I'd wear like all these like wild like vintage clothing,
like a vintage wedding dress or something crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Hundreds of thousands of people visited her page just to
look at her.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
And then it kind of went from that to like,
as I was getting older and kind of finding like
who I was, the whole kind of like scene kid
thing was starting and I had made friends with a
few other girls that were also kind of like MySpace people,
and I guess we started the whole kind of scene
girl look or vibe, and then that was just that
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took off.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I mean I'd like, like look at the.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Photos now and like I feel like it looks ridiculous,
but like back then, like I don't know, we thought
we looked like so cool.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
MySpace became a huge part of Hanna About's daily life.
She even traveled across the country to meet friends she
met on MySpace. I think I was like fifteen or sixteen.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I'd met this girl who lived in Minnesota, and like
she had messaged me because I always wore like these
like gluin extensions because that was a big thing back then,
which was horrible for your hair, and she was like, yeah, look,
i'd love it. It's like you did my extensions. And
I was like, yeah, for sure. So if my dad
got me a ticket to Minnesota, who lets meet this
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random girl. I ended up staying with her for like
a week or like maybe two weeks even, and I
made all of these friends in Minnesota. I met someone
else that I knew from MySpace, and it was like
such a fun and awesome time. I feel like MySpace
could kind of bring you together like that. Like I
feel like now there's maybe like more danger going on
on the internet, but back then maybe because it was
so new, but I'm sure there was danger there as well.
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I don't know, everyone was kind of like in this
scene and everyone kind of knew everyone, or there was
just some kind of like you felt more safe just
meeting up with random people.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Part of what drew her to connect to people online,
even traveled across the country to meet people, was that
her offline life could be rough. On my Space, Hannah
Bath was glamorous, a scene queen at her high school.
People made fun of her for dressing the way she did.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
At that time in my life, I was like getting
bullied really bad. I was dealing with like self harm,
and I was just like very depressed and all of that.
And I was very open about all of my struggles
through like my blogging and my rioting, So the people
I was connecting with knew like the real me, and
I feel like that's why I was so drawn to it.
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I just started like posting like things I liked, and
then people like like that as well, and I love
being able to like express my fashion through my Space
because I feel like I got bullied a lot for
like how I looked in my style, and then on
my Space people like loved how I look looked up
to me and like loved my style. So it was
like a whole different thing for me because I was like,
I'm such a loser at school, and then when I'm
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like online, I was becoming this like my Space girl.
I don't know, it was just it was a trip.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
With the attention she garnered from MySpace, Hannah Beth built
a career, first as a blogger with Buzznet and later
working in fashion, including a spot on the reality TV
show House of DVF a competition to become a brand
ambassador for Diane von Furstenberg, Hannah Beth won. Hannah Beth
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was never Kardashian style famous, but people paid attention to
her in a way that didn't really happen to ordinary
people before the Internet. There are blogs dedicated to MySpace stars,
and these people were kind of covered in other Internet
like subcommunities and forums places like Sticky Drama. But for
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other MySpace celebrities, the Internet was a double edged sword.
They faced harassment online where they built their fate.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
People would set up blogs about MySpace stars and they
would sort of speculate on different things. They would try
and find information on these people, and a lot of
the comment section would be other fans and they would
kind of all Sometimes it was really positive, and then
obviously some of it turned extremely dark, where you had
kind of the worst of internet comment culture attacking these people,
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and they had stalkers and you know, harassment and safety problems.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Unlike movie stores, the MySpace famous probably didn't have the
money to hire bodyguards, they didn't have representation agents, managers
invested in their career longevity, and it all came out
the cost of privacy.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
All of that stuff was so niche and so misunderstood
at the time, Like now we have this concept of
online safety. There wasn't that in the two thousands. So
you know, these a lot of women were kind of
like building audiences, getting micro fame and had this like
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dedicated group of people on the Internet that was obsessed
with them. But there wasn't like there weren't really like
guardrails around any of it. They were almost like too
accessible to their fandoms. Like now there's this like you
think of influencers as celebrities, so you kind of almost
respect them a little bit more, whereas back then, I
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think my Space stars felt almost like too much, like
like they were too kind of on the level of
normal people almost, and so like average people just felt
entitled to be horrible to them. The visibility that users
like Tila Tequila could attain on MySpace was like a
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hyper popularity I think, the most popular kid at high
school times a thousand, and in some ways it could
be more invasive than a traditional celebrity experience because my Space,
like every social now work, was designed for looking at others,
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surveilling others. People clicked on other people's profiles and assessed
them from a distance, and there was no blueprint for it,
Like there was no understanding of online fame at that point,
so people I think had less boundaries. And then also,
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you know, the mid two thousands was kind of like
peak reality fame and kind of like this really toxic
type of celebrity, Like that was like that whole Britney
Paris Lindsay era where it was like this culture of excess.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No other form of entertainment defines the aughts like reality Television.
Survivor and Big Brother both debuted in two thousand that
shows like The Bachelor, The Osbourne's and American Idol arrived
shortly after These programs could be made cheaply. New software
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had just made it easier to edit down large quantities
of video footage. Producers didn't have to hire professional actors
or screenwriters. It's no coincidence that the reality TV boom
happened while the Screen Actors Guild and later the Writer's
Guild were negotiating streaming royalties. With reality TV, celebrities projected
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the illusion of living ordinary lives, while ordinary people projected
the illusion of celebrity. It was a lot like the
immediacy and intimacy that early online celebrities like Tila Tequila
offered their friends on MySpace. Tom Anderson even said in
an interview once he thought of my Space as the
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reality TV of the Internet. It felt inevitable then that
Tila Tequila would leverage her online popularity with a reality
show of her own. In two thousand and seven, A
Shot at Love debuted a.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Tila Tequila began her Quest for Love.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I'm a bisexual. Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
This season on A Shot at Love, it was the
first reality dating show featuring a bisexual person.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
She got a reality show on MTV called Shot at
Love with Tila Tequila, and the conceit was that you know,
she's a queer girl looking for love and that the
house was going to be filled with both women and
men because she's queer. Me and my friends like my
queer circle of friends when I say that, we watched
this show religiously, like we had parties, but we thought
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it was so earnest.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It was one of MTV's biggest releases that year and
ran for a couple seasons. Tila appeared to be doing
really well in the late odds. She made music and
published a book, and she made some savvy business decisions
to monetize her fame, working with Joe Francis, he of
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the Girls Gone Wild franchise. She set up a website
called Tela's Hotspot, where she had a blog and webcam
and basically posted the kind of content she had on MySpace,
but on a website of her own. Tela even appeared
to be settling down. In two thousand and nine, she
was engaged to Casey Johnson, the Johnson and Johnson Heiress,
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but then tragedy struck.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
She was young, beautiful, and an heiress to an empire. Now,
Casey Johnson's sudden death has many asking how and why.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
At the end of two thousand and nine and the
beginning of twenty and ten was very hard for me.
And as you get to know, during those times, I
made lots of headlines of meltdowns, and you know, that
was my way of like when you lose someone and
I didn't know how to cope.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Casey died of diabetes complications. It was only a month
after they announced their engagement. Things went down hell from there.
In twenty twelve, Tala was hospitalized after a drug overdose
and a brain aneurysm. It had been a suicide attempt.
In twenty fifteen, Tila prepared to come back and joined
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the cast of Celebrity Big Brother. Then post resurface of
Tila two years earlier in twenty thirteen, defending Hitler on
her blog and posing a Nazi regalia. She was kicked
out of the house because of it. Tila apologized. Tila
called it a terrible mistake. In a statement posted to
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social media, she mentioned her suicide attempt and said she
suffered from severe depress and addiction, and her words, I
felt worthless and unloved as that pain continued to grow,
causing me to further spiral out of control. And then
she reiterated that she is absolutely, one hundred percent not
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a Nazi supporter. Tla's apology sounded heartfelt, and maybe it was.
But two months later, Tila posted a photo of her
baby daughter with a Hitler mustache, and for Bridget, who
had followed Tila's career for over a decade by that point,
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it was heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And I remember watching her trajectory from being this person
that I loved and really admired as like a clear
woman of color, watching her go from someone who like
that was her thing in my mind to the way
that now she basically was like radicalized on the Internet
and via the alt right.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
In twenty sixteen, Tila was photographed giving a Nazi salute
at a conference with white nationalists in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
If the beginning of Tila Tequila being on my radar
as this like MySpace influencer for being a queer woman
of color, if that was like the promise of the Internet.
The day that I saw that image of her in
my hometown in DC doing a Nazi salute at a
restaurant with a bunch of alt right dirt bags. That
was the nail in the coffin. And so I feel
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like that moment for me really crystallized where we started
and unfortunately where we wound up. But those early days
were so full of promise, and then that picture is
like burned in my mind of because of platforms like MySpace.
This was a person who allowed me to see part
of myself that I was still getting comfortable with, and
then where we wound up was so dark and so
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sad and so heavy.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
For others, Fame on MySpace came as easily as it went.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You had people like Tila Tequila go on to become
a reality star because that was the only kind of
attainable access to quote unquote like mainstream fame in the
two thousands was like reality shows. But even then, like
going on a reality show doesn't mean that you yourself
profit very much. So I think all the people from
that era kind of fell off and never really were
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able to capture the true value of the brand that
they built Back then.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
A few MySpace celebrities dropped out of the public eye
by choice, including Hannahbath.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think just like as I got older, I just
started to enjoy like having like my privacy a bit
more now, and I just don't love social media like
how I used to love it. So it's just like
it's not one of my top priorities.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
But for others who became famous on MySpace, those years
were less than idyllic. It was a horrible time to
be famous. Like it was so toxic and so bad.
Tabloid culture ruled.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
It was really playing out on the inner in small
scale through blogs, and so I think a lot of
MySpace stars just kind of like got chewed up by
that system. And you see them now like into crystal healing,
or they've totally reinvented themselves, or they're like super offline,
or you have people like Jeffrey who just leaned one
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hundred and fifty percent into it and kind of became
this like internet villain because he literally thrived in that
type of toxicity.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
The blowback to visibility online that Taylor describes wasn't only
impacting people like Tila with hundreds of thousands of friends
on social media. People with small followings and relatively ordinary
lives faced harassment and fullying on a social network that
had quickly become the center of their social life. More
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on this in the next episode of Main Accounts. Thanks
for listening to Main Accounts, The Story of MySpace and
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written and hosted by me Joanne McNeil. Editing it's sound
design by Mike Coscarelli and Mary Do Original music by
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Speaker 2 (01:31):
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Speaker 1 (01:35):
If the beginning of Tila Tequila being on my radar
as this, like, you know, MySpace influencer for being a
queer woman of color, if that was like the promise
of the Internet. The day that I saw that image
of her in my hometown in DC doing a Nazi
salute at a restaurant with a bunch of al right dirtbags,
that was the nail in the coffin. And so I
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feel like that moment for me really crystallized where we
started and unfortunately where we wound up.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm Joanne McNeil and this his main accounts the story
of MySpace, Episode three, MySpace Famous. In this episode, we're
going to discuss how MySpace, like reality TV, became a
vehicle for celebrity. The people who became famous through the
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platform gave way to the culture of influencers. MySpace felt
like a party. I've heard a few people make this
comparison when I've talked about the platform with them. Recently.
Julia Angwin said it in the first episode of our series.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Was definitely a party atmosphere, and my friend Dorothy Santos
said it too when we were reminiscing about it the
other day.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So I wasn't really seeing MySpace as a professional platform
as this kind of digital party that just would I
could pop in anytime.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, what's something people usually want to know about a
party before they show up? Who is going to be there?
The answer was Tila Tequila.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Was that rare bids you go?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Miss Tila also known as Cio Tequila.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Tila was the party before MySpace. Tila was a model
in Playboy and car shows. In two thousand and three,
she appeared on Surviving Nugent, a reality show on BH
one hosted by Ted Nugent on his Texas ranch.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Lare I can't handle?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But it was social media that made Tila famous.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The very first MySpace kind of influencer celebrity that I
was very, very interested in and like she was on
my top eight and it was this person, Tila Tequila.
When I think about like, who was the first MySpace
big account, it was her.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's Bridget Todd, host of the podcast There Are No
Girls on the Internet on my Space way back when,
Bridget was one of Tila's hundreds of thousands of fans.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
One of the notable things about her is that she
was openly queer. And you know, I'm queer and she's
a person of color. I'm a person of color, and
I remember thinking like, wow, how cool, Like this famous
person of color, you know, has a platform around the
fact that she's queer.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Tila, the daughter of Vietnamese immigrants, was no heiress like
Paris Hilton. Her parents didn't have a lot of money.
She had to hustle to get her name out in
the world. The Internet was part of that hustle.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I have an addiction, yes, okay, So my theramist is
that I have a highly addictive personality, and you know
I do.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
So it's I'm addicts internet. So I'm always sweating them
online trying to fans. I do this, do that, And
I'm addicted to shopping.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I'm addicted to sex.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You know whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
This is how people came to know Tila Tequila. She
sent friend requests to hundreds and hundreds of people. First
she did this on Friendster, and Tila ran into some
trouble doing this because Friendster, compared to MySpace, did not
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feel like a party. Friendster was pretty rigid about rules.
In the summer of two thousand and three, Friendster started
cracking down on accounts known as fakester's accounts that represented
anything other than a user's real identity. So you might
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have seen Marilyn Monroe fakester that was a user impersonating
Marilyn Monroe on Friendster, or you might have come across
a snowy owl fakester and people obsessed with bird watching
would have friended that account. The fakesters became sort of
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like community pages, but Friendster founder Jonathan Abrams hated them.
He hired a bunch of moderators to remove them all.
A group of these outlaw fakesters came together and wrote
an open letter protesting Friendster's policy. The ringleader was someone
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who went by Roy Batti on Friendster, you know, like
the Replicant and blade Runner.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
The corporate masters at Friendster should be thrilled that they
have such a vibrant online community as they now have
on their hands. What they forget is that a living community,
by definition, has a life of its own.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Deleting the photos in or entire accounts of fakesters is
going to rudely, terribly backfire against the management of this
site and will ultimately take the entire community, real or parodied,
down with it.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
The rumblings of descent are already grown, getting louder by
the minute. If Friendster wants to see all of the
goodwill and excellent word of mouth that is generated go
down and scorching, smoking very public flames, then they can
go right ahead with their little extermination campaign. The Internet
is a big place, and we can easily take our
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party somewhere else, to a site where we are not
only tolerated, but enthusiastically embraced.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know where they took that party. I mean, of course,
the fakesters went to MySpace. Friendster was so aggressive about
kicking out faxters that it impacted people using their real
identities on the platform too. This happened to Tila Tequila.
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She kept getting kicked off Friendster for adding too many friends.
Tila knew about MySpace because Tom Anderson had been an
offline acquaintance. He sent her a bunch of invites to
join MySpace, but she declined. It wasn't cool. In Tila's mind.
MySpace wasn't a party yet. The site had just launched,
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and no one was really on MySpace yet except for
Euniverse staff and their immediate friends. Still, it was a
hassle dealing with Friendster mods. Each time Tela's account was
deleted from Friendster, she'd have to rebuild her list of
friends manually add all of her friends again. And in
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September two thousand and three, when Tila got kicked off
Friendster for the fifth time, she'd had enough. Tila finally
took Tom up on his offer, and Tila didn't just
sign up for MySpace, she invited everyone she knew on
Friendster to join her there. At this point, after months
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of strategies to evade friends to mods, she had tens
of thousands of friends on friends der MySpace exploded with
thousands of new users. By two thousand and six, Tila
had over a million MySpace friends. It's possible MySpace never
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would have taken off without Tila if she had declined
Tom's invitation social media history might have gone another way,
and without MySpace, we probably never would have heard about
Tila Tequila. Tila was a new kind of st are,
someone who became famous because of the Internet. Sure, on
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MySpace you called each other friends, but what Tila and
many other Internet celebrities were collecting were really just fans.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Something about her really represents the sort of duality of
all of our Internet experiences, and.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
What happened next in Tila's career feels representative of how
social media itself has changed.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I think about her all the time. It's just such
an interesting case study for what social media and the
Internet can do to people. On the one hand, it
can be this like fabulous way to connect and to
like see yourself and be seen and build a platform
around that. On the other hand, it can be so dark.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You had these people that kind of became known from
MySpace and from this particular scene and had a very
definitive esthetic and sort of cults around them.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
That's Taylor the Runs, a technology reporter at the Washington Post.
Those people today would be just regular influencers. What actually
is an influencer? When we use that word, what are
we talking about?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I think if it as somebody who creates content and
sort of monetizes that content through social platforms or builds
an audience through social platforms. They're almost independent media companies
where there are people that have a lot of times
developed an audience for around their own personality, but it
can also be around a certain interest or style or whatever,
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and then they monetize that online audience. Basically, I guess
someone who builds and then monetizes an online audience.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Taylor makes an interesting distinction. People figured out how to
get famous on MySpace, but it wasn't exactly a business,
not like what you see with internet celebrities on Twitch
or YouTube or Instagram these days.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
My Space was pretty like embedded in sort of the
music industry, not quite the way TikTok is now, but
you know, music was a strong culture of MySpace, and
so you had a lot of people growing audiences on
the platform and using that to get a record deal,
you know, or sell out shows or promote themselves. And
then you kind of had these more like individual figures
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that I think seemed like kind of like party type
of people. And then you of course had celebrities using
it as well, like you know, Katie Perry again because
it was sort of like music adjacent, and Jeffrey Star
started in music.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Jeffree Star, like Tila Tequila, was another larger than life
MySpace superstar. He had an iconic look, mac makeup, hot
pink hair, a look that you could instantly identify in
a thumbnail profile picture. He got famous for creating drama
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and feuding with other MySpace celebrities. But to be honest,
Jeffree Star's deal, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Hello, Hey God, it's Jeffree Star.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, if been in flux with me, they kind of die, okay, love.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
You to your bike.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Why does someone follow a person like Jeffree Star, Like,
what do the users who follow the page of a
celebrity on MySpace get from that interaction?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, a lot of it was like aspiration around kind
of like emo culture or like esthetics. It was like
people with a certain aesthetic, and you would follow these
people because they were like a lot of modern day
influencers or content creators. They were kind of aspirational figures
for that era where they were kind of leading this
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cool party girl lifestyle or they had like, you know,
awesome tattoos and makeup and this.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Aesthetic that people really gravitated to. On MySpace, people could
advertise themselves. Users would post comments like thanks for the
ad when someone added them as friends. The visibility was,
in a way its own reward. Jeffree Starr could get
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gigs for his band through MySpace. Tila Tequila found modeling
and acting opportunities through it, but this happened informally, and
mind you, most people on MySpace were not trying to
be Tila or Jeffrey.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
My Space was never really like pushing you to like
become a creator. You mostly just like looked at other
people's pages. The stakes were so low for the average user,
and nothing on the internet feels that way now.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And if you did become famous on MySpace, it wasn't
entirely clear what that would even bring you.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I never had a strategy because there was no such
thing as being an influencer back then, so like I
literally was just posting my life and I guess people
enjoyed it, so then I kind of built a following.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's Hannahbath. She wasn't an influencer, but she was definitely
MySpace famous.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I never had like a plan where I was like, oh, yeah,
like I'm going to do this, and like that's how
I followers. I literally just did it because I was
having fun, and then a following grew from that, and
people seem to enjoy to watch me and my friends
kind of live our lives.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So Hannah Bath was in high school in southern California,
where she ran in similar circles with jeffree Star. They
were in each other's Top eight. Hannah Bath had an
offbeat fashion sense, which came through in the picture she
posted to MySpace.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
When I first started on MySpace, when I was probably
like around fifteen or so, I was very into like
kind of like a vintage like punk look. I was
listening to a lot of like late seventies punk bands.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I cut my hair.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Really short, and I just like it was kind of
like a vintage punk golf.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Look that I was going with.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
But I'd wear like all these like wild like vintage clothing,
like a vintage wedding dress or something crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Hundreds of thousands of people visited her page just to
look at her.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
And then it kind of went from that to like,
as I was getting older and kind of finding like
who I was, the whole kind of like scene kid
thing was starting and I had made friends with a
few other girls that were also kind of like MySpace people,
and I guess we started the whole kind of scene
girl look or vibe, and then that was just that
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took off.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I mean I'd like, like look at the.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Photos now and like I feel like it looks ridiculous,
but like back then, like I don't know, we thought
we looked like so cool.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
MySpace became a huge part of Hanna About's daily life.
She even traveled across the country to meet friends she
met on MySpace. I think I was like fifteen or sixteen.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I'd met this girl who lived in Minnesota, and like
she had messaged me because I always wore like these
like gluin extensions because that was a big thing back then,
which was horrible for your hair, and she was like, yeah, look,
i'd love it. It's like you did my extensions. And
I was like, yeah, for sure. So if my dad
got me a ticket to Minnesota, who lets meet this
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random girl. I ended up staying with her for like
a week or like maybe two weeks even, and I
made all of these friends in Minnesota. I met someone
else that I knew from MySpace, and it was like
such a fun and awesome time. I feel like MySpace
could kind of bring you together like that. Like I
feel like now there's maybe like more danger going on
on the internet, but back then maybe because it was
so new, but I'm sure there was danger there as well.
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I don't know, everyone was kind of like in this
scene and everyone kind of knew everyone, or there was
just some kind of like you felt more safe just
meeting up with random people.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Part of what drew her to connect to people online,
even traveled across the country to meet people, was that
her offline life could be rough. On my Space, Hannah
Bath was glamorous, a scene queen at her high school.
People made fun of her for dressing the way she did.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
At that time in my life, I was like getting
bullied really bad. I was dealing with like self harm,
and I was just like very depressed and all of that.
And I was very open about all of my struggles
through like my blogging and my rioting, So the people
I was connecting with knew like the real me, and
I feel like that's why I was so drawn to it.
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I just started like posting like things I liked, and
then people like like that as well, and I love
being able to like express my fashion through my Space
because I feel like I got bullied a lot for
like how I looked in my style, and then on
my Space people like loved how I look looked up
to me and like loved my style. So it was
like a whole different thing for me because I was like,
I'm such a loser at school, and then when I'm
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like online, I was becoming this like my Space girl.
I don't know, it was just it was a trip.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
With the attention she garnered from MySpace, Hannah Beth built
a career, first as a blogger with Buzznet and later
working in fashion, including a spot on the reality TV
show House of DVF a competition to become a brand
ambassador for Diane von Furstenberg, Hannah Beth won. Hannah Beth
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was never Kardashian style famous, but people paid attention to
her in a way that didn't really happen to ordinary
people before the Internet. There are blogs dedicated to MySpace stars,
and these people were kind of covered in other Internet
like subcommunities and forums places like Sticky Drama. But for
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other MySpace celebrities, the Internet was a double edged sword.
They faced harassment online where they built their fate.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
People would set up blogs about MySpace stars and they
would sort of speculate on different things. They would try
and find information on these people, and a lot of
the comment section would be other fans and they would
kind of all Sometimes it was really positive, and then
obviously some of it turned extremely dark, where you had
kind of the worst of internet comment culture attacking these people,
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and they had stalkers and you know, harassment and safety problems.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Unlike movie stores, the MySpace famous probably didn't have the
money to hire bodyguards, they didn't have representation agents, managers
invested in their career longevity, and it all came out
the cost of privacy.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
All of that stuff was so niche and so misunderstood
at the time, Like now we have this concept of
online safety. There wasn't that in the two thousands. So
you know, these a lot of women were kind of
like building audiences, getting micro fame and had this like
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dedicated group of people on the Internet that was obsessed
with them. But there wasn't like there weren't really like
guardrails around any of it. They were almost like too
accessible to their fandoms. Like now there's this like you
think of influencers as celebrities, so you kind of almost
respect them a little bit more, whereas back then, I
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think my Space stars felt almost like too much, like
like they were too kind of on the level of
normal people almost, and so like average people just felt
entitled to be horrible to them. The visibility that users
like Tila Tequila could attain on MySpace was like a
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hyper popularity I think, the most popular kid at high
school times a thousand, and in some ways it could
be more invasive than a traditional celebrity experience because my Space,
like every social now work, was designed for looking at others,
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surveilling others. People clicked on other people's profiles and assessed
them from a distance, and there was no blueprint for it,
Like there was no understanding of online fame at that point,
so people I think had less boundaries. And then also,
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you know, the mid two thousands was kind of like
peak reality fame and kind of like this really toxic
type of celebrity, Like that was like that whole Britney
Paris Lindsay era where it was like this culture of excess.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No other form of entertainment defines the aughts like reality Television.
Survivor and Big Brother both debuted in two thousand that
shows like The Bachelor, The Osbourne's and American Idol arrived
shortly after These programs could be made cheaply. New software
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had just made it easier to edit down large quantities
of video footage. Producers didn't have to hire professional actors
or screenwriters. It's no coincidence that the reality TV boom
happened while the Screen Actors Guild and later the Writer's
Guild were negotiating streaming royalties. With reality TV, celebrities projected
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the illusion of living ordinary lives, while ordinary people projected
the illusion of celebrity. It was a lot like the
immediacy and intimacy that early online celebrities like Tila Tequila
offered their friends on MySpace. Tom Anderson even said in
an interview once he thought of my Space as the
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reality TV of the Internet. It felt inevitable then that
Tila Tequila would leverage her online popularity with a reality
show of her own. In two thousand and seven, A
Shot at Love debuted a.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Tila Tequila began her Quest for Love.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I'm a bisexual. Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
This season on A Shot at Love, it was the
first reality dating show featuring a bisexual person.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
She got a reality show on MTV called Shot at
Love with Tila Tequila, and the conceit was that you know,
she's a queer girl looking for love and that the
house was going to be filled with both women and
men because she's queer. Me and my friends like my
queer circle of friends when I say that, we watched
this show religiously, like we had parties, but we thought
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it was so earnest.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It was one of MTV's biggest releases that year and
ran for a couple seasons. Tila appeared to be doing
really well in the late odds. She made music and
published a book, and she made some savvy business decisions
to monetize her fame, working with Joe Francis, he of
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the Girls Gone Wild franchise. She set up a website
called Tela's Hotspot, where she had a blog and webcam
and basically posted the kind of content she had on MySpace,
but on a website of her own. Tela even appeared
to be settling down. In two thousand and nine, she
was engaged to Casey Johnson, the Johnson and Johnson Heiress,
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but then tragedy struck.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
She was young, beautiful, and an heiress to an empire. Now,
Casey Johnson's sudden death has many asking how and why.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
At the end of two thousand and nine and the
beginning of twenty and ten was very hard for me.
And as you get to know, during those times, I
made lots of headlines of meltdowns, and you know, that
was my way of like when you lose someone and
I didn't know how to cope.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Casey died of diabetes complications. It was only a month
after they announced their engagement. Things went down hell from there.
In twenty twelve, Tala was hospitalized after a drug overdose
and a brain aneurysm. It had been a suicide attempt.
In twenty fifteen, Tila prepared to come back and joined
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the cast of Celebrity Big Brother. Then post resurface of
Tila two years earlier in twenty thirteen, defending Hitler on
her blog and posing a Nazi regalia. She was kicked
out of the house because of it. Tila apologized. Tila
called it a terrible mistake. In a statement posted to
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social media, she mentioned her suicide attempt and said she
suffered from severe depress and addiction, and her words, I
felt worthless and unloved as that pain continued to grow,
causing me to further spiral out of control. And then
she reiterated that she is absolutely, one hundred percent not
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a Nazi supporter. Tla's apology sounded heartfelt, and maybe it was.
But two months later, Tila posted a photo of her
baby daughter with a Hitler mustache, and for Bridget, who
had followed Tila's career for over a decade by that point,
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it was heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And I remember watching her trajectory from being this person
that I loved and really admired as like a clear
woman of color, watching her go from someone who like
that was her thing in my mind to the way
that now she basically was like radicalized on the Internet
and via the alt right.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
In twenty sixteen, Tila was photographed giving a Nazi salute
at a conference with white nationalists in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
If the beginning of Tila Tequila being on my radar
as this like MySpace influencer for being a queer woman
of color, if that was like the promise of the Internet.
The day that I saw that image of her in
my hometown in DC doing a Nazi salute at a
restaurant with a bunch of alt right dirt bags. That
was the nail in the coffin. And so I feel
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like that moment for me really crystallized where we started
and unfortunately where we wound up. But those early days
were so full of promise, and then that picture is
like burned in my mind of because of platforms like MySpace.
This was a person who allowed me to see part
of myself that I was still getting comfortable with, and
then where we wound up was so dark and so
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sad and so heavy.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
For others, Fame on MySpace came as easily as it went.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You had people like Tila Tequila go on to become
a reality star because that was the only kind of
attainable access to quote unquote like mainstream fame in the
two thousands was like reality shows. But even then, like
going on a reality show doesn't mean that you yourself
profit very much. So I think all the people from
that era kind of fell off and never really were
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able to capture the true value of the brand that
they built Back then.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
A few MySpace celebrities dropped out of the public eye
by choice, including Hannahbath.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think just like as I got older, I just
started to enjoy like having like my privacy a bit
more now, and I just don't love social media like
how I used to love it. So it's just like
it's not one of my top priorities.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
But for others who became famous on MySpace, those years
were less than idyllic. It was a horrible time to
be famous. Like it was so toxic and so bad.
Tabloid culture ruled.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
It was really playing out on the inner in small
scale through blogs, and so I think a lot of
MySpace stars just kind of like got chewed up by
that system. And you see them now like into crystal healing,
or they've totally reinvented themselves, or they're like super offline,
or you have people like Jeffrey who just leaned one
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hundred and fifty percent into it and kind of became
this like internet villain because he literally thrived in that
type of toxicity.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
The blowback to visibility online that Taylor describes wasn't only
impacting people like Tila with hundreds of thousands of friends
on social media. People with small followings and relatively ordinary
lives faced harassment and fullying on a social network that
had quickly become the center of their social life. More
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on this in the next episode of Main Accounts. Thanks
for listening to Main Accounts, The Story of MySpace and
iHeart original podcast Main Accounts. The Story of MySpace is
written and hosted by me Joanne McNeil. Editing it's sound
design by Mike Coscarelli and Mary Do Original music by
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Elise McCoy, Mixing and mastering by Josh Fisher, Research and
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