The Pursuit of Curiosity

What is the 'sweet spot' between happiness and meaning? Eve and Aditi take you on a journey to find it, and it starts with following your curiosity. They are joined by creator, designer and Jungalow founder, Justina Blakeney, who shares her ingredients for a sweet life and how to commit to curiosity every day. To learn more about Justina, visit www.justinablakeney.com.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Time Out. I'm Eve Rodsky, author of the
New York Times bestseller fair Play and Find Your Unicorn Space,
activists on the gender division of labor, attorney and family mediator.
And I'm Doctor add In the rut Car, a physician
and medical correspondent with an expertise in the science of stress, resilience,
mental health, and burnout. We're here to peel back to

(00:24):
layers around why it's so easy for society to guard
men's time as if it's diamonds, and to treat women's
time as if it's infinite like sands. And whether you
are partnered with or without children, or in a career
where you want more boundaries, this is the place for
you for all family structures. We're here to take a
time out to learn, get inspired, and most importantly, reclaim

(00:49):
our time. Good afternoon, add high E. Great to see
you as always. I know I really enjoy our our
own little unicorn space that we've carved out for each other.
But I wanted to tell you a story today about

(01:10):
a journey, a Unicorn space journey. But that journey is
going to take us through three things. It's going to
take us through curiosity, connection, and completion. So why those
three things? Why those three c's. Well, for me, it
started with curiosity, my own curiosity with understanding our obsession

(01:33):
with happiness. So when I was researching for fair Play,
so many women were saying to me, I don't feel happy.
I have everything that society told me I wanted. I
have the two point five kids, the nice apartments or
a house. I have house plans that don't die. I

(01:54):
have a nice partner. I have a good job, and
all these things things that I've been searching for the
path that was set out for me. I ticked every
single one of those boxes. And yet I still feel unfulfilled.
I still feel unhappy. And so I got really interested
in this idea of happiness. What is it? One woman

(02:16):
said to me, Eve, I'm gratitude journaling myself to death,
and so I said, oh, yeah, there has been a lot.
There's been a lot of books on happiness the past
ten years. We've spent a lot of time and happiness podcast,
happiness books, happiness journals, and so I sat in a

(02:36):
few of them. I sat in some happiness labs. I
read many positive psychology articles. I spoke to many experts,
and here's what I came to happiness and the pursuit
of happiness is going to make you more sad m
This is when I start to understand from the research.

(02:58):
What I understand is that off and happiness and meaning correlate,
and for a lot of my life maybe it did,
especially when I was on that extrinsic path. And then
there are times where happiness and meaning don't go together.
Happiness without meaning, we know what that is. It's actually
been a lot of my coping mechanisms during the pandemic.

(03:19):
That's my emotional eating, doom scrolling, binge, watching TV, things
that ultimately feel empty when they're done, but in the moment,
I think, okay, that that feels good. And then I
found out that there is meaning without happiness, and it's
sometimes correlated with caregiving, and that's how I often feel

(03:41):
too that existentially taking care of my kids, I feel meaning.
But as a study show, people would rather be in
a freaking root canal than hanging out with their toddler,
and by people, I mean me. So happiness without meaning,
meaning without happiness is where I think a lot of
us have been stuck, especially in the past two to

(04:03):
three years. And here's the good part when happiness and
meaning intersect, where those two come together, that's a sweet spot.
And so the idea of mental health as being a
place where we want to be happy is a misnomer.
As my colleague Lisa de Moore says, real mental health
is having the appropriate emotion at the appropriate time and

(04:25):
the ability and strength to weather it. Those experiences of
happiness and meaning, where those collide like fireworks, is what
we want people to have because those experiences become our umbrellas.
And so I'm really excited because we can't tell you
what it is for you. I wish we could. But

(04:45):
what we can do is help you discover it, find it,
reclaim it, get curious about it. And the first step
starts with curiosity. What's so beautiful about what you say
is it is true that meaning and happiness are two
separate things and separate entities even in the brain. There

(05:06):
are two ways that we register happiness. The first is
hedonic happiness, like you were saying, binging on Netflix, buying
a fancy car, buying that designer bag, all of the
things that we do for that instant in the moment rush,
and that fades quickly and leaves a vacuum and avoid

(05:28):
and us wanting more so we do more of those
coping behaviors, So it's this negative feedback loop. The other
type of happiness, which we don't talk about because it's
not sexy and not flashy, is you demonic happiness. What
it means is the happiness that is filled with meaning
and purpose. And if you want to think about those

(05:50):
two a little bit differently, one is the thrill kind
of happiness and the other is that deep contentment type
of happiness. And scientifically, the way our brains and even
our bodies process those two types of happiness are very different.
So what's most interesting to me is that with hedonic happiness,

(06:12):
you don't get those same deep brain or cellular benefits
as you do with you diamonic happiness. With you diamonic happiness,
it impacts our immune system and our cells in our body.
So even at the deeply cellular level, our bodies know
the difference, and unfortunately, in our modern society, we are

(06:35):
always chasing that hedonic happiness because it's easy to see
and shout out to Professor Laurie Santos. She teaches the
most popular class at Yale, and she also has a
wonderful podcast on happiness. But even Professor Laurie Santos, who
is the ultimate expert and happiness, was able to say
to me and give me a quote for my book,

(06:57):
that happiness as the end goal is really a fool's errand.
And so I believe you adity right that you demonic happiness.
Is that cellular happiness. And it's harder because it's an investment,
it's a journey. It doesn't hit us the same way

(07:18):
that maybe, like you said, going online and getting a
box in the mail from internet shopping does, But it's
worth it. Here's a great news. We can all access
the three cs of this creative life that brings these
meaning and happiness experiences. We can access our curiosity. And
by curiosity, we don't mean, as my friend said, well

(07:40):
I scroll my friends Venmo transactions that makes me curious. No,
not that type of curiosity. Connected curiosity, values based curiosity,
an active pursuit that you love so much, that you
wondered about, that you learn so much about that you
want to share with the world. So that's the connection
piece curiosity, and then this connection to the external and

(08:04):
then the third see which is my favorite see but
it's often really hard, especially for women, completion, because we've
been taught that to complete anything adity, we have to
be profoundly excellent as women, God forbid, were loud and wrong. Though.
Perfection and completion are two different things, but often they're conflated.

(08:24):
And so we're going to take you on a journey
through curiosity, connection and completion. But today we're starting with
one of our favorite guests, Justina Blakeney, who is a
bastion of not only beauty and wonder, but she is
a person who can connect us back to our curiosity

(08:45):
and I'm so excited to learn from her today. Today's
guest is Justina Blakeney. Justina, who has become an amazing

(09:06):
friend of mine, is an incredible artist and designer. She's
known for her love of bright colors, old patterns, her
beautiful use of nature. We're so excited to have her
with us. Welcome Justina. Thank you so much, Justina, you
are really leading the way in terms of creativity. I
wanted to first start off our conversation if you could

(09:30):
tell us a little bit about your journey. This beautiful
finished product of Jungalow. It wasn't an overnight success, and
so how did you get to where you are now?
Who you want? Some stories? Stories? Gosh, It's been such
a long and windy path to where I am now,

(09:52):
and I'm still on the path. Junglo started as a blog,
which really was just that. It really was a way
to follow my curiosity and to record and share my
curiosity with the world and create a conversation around things
that I loved, things that I loved doing, things that

(10:12):
lit me up, and really really very free form. It
started just as a way to chronicle my creative adventures,
and that really could have meant and it still means
so many different things. I didn't really know what I
wanted to do, or what I wanted to be in
the world and how I wanted to show up. All
I knew was that I had a lot of ideas,

(10:34):
was really creative, and I really loved making things and
connecting with people around the world, and so I just
started with a commitment. That's really how Junglo started. It
was just a commitment to be curious every day, to
be creative every day, and to track my progress and
to track what I was making and what I was

(10:55):
thinking about and what I was seeing in the world
that I was feeling inspired by and that come it
meant was to blog five days a week, and I
committed to it, and I stuck to that commitment for
about ten years. And that's really where Jungalow was born.
And it started in very small, small ways, just um
sharing a photograph of a plant outside my apartment that

(11:19):
was changing colors and bringing me joy, a photograph, a
drawing a project I was working on with a friend.
Little by little, things started to snowball. And when I
say little by little, I mean, you know, after about
five years of of doing this every day, right, and
and and I started to get asked to collaborate with people, friends, relatives, strangers,

(11:46):
people around the world, brands. All of a sudden, the
things that I just started noticing or the things that
I started making, began to connect me with really amazing creatives,
other people, clients, projects, And really that's how the brand
was born. Just following my curiosity and having the commitment

(12:10):
to stick to it five days a week. Sort of
sounds maybe a little bit oversimplified, but that's really what
it was. In the early days of blogging, especially in
the home decor kind of world, things were pretty monotonous.
There was a specific style that it seemed like the

(12:31):
online world was kind of adhering to. It was a
style that was very modern. It was a style that
was somewhat devoid of color, of personality of UM life,
in my opinion. So when I came on the scene
with my colors, my patterns, my plants, taking inspiration from

(12:52):
my heritage, from my travels, bringing that out into my space,
showing that a space could be maximal, didn't have to
just be minimal, it didn't have to follow UM these
specific trends. It was like the more I dug into
that and found that within myself and brought it out
and shared it, the more I attracted my community. And

(13:15):
then little by little, with the help of so many
smart and talented folks that are now on my team,
we've been able to turn this curiosity into a brand.
You said something beautifully, Justina, about taking inspiration from You
said your heritage, from your travels. We've talked about this before.

(13:37):
I've Gracis Lee taking your time already your diamond time
at interview for Unicorn Space, and you you helped me
inspire a game that we're gonna be playing later. A
remix game, because I became so obsessed with this idea
of a remix that there could be a batter. But
you can't really have a batter unless you have your

(13:57):
baking soda and your flower. And it's into the delicious
batter that I want to eat before I even bake it.
But your life and your travels and your experiences in
your heritage really are all in that beautiful batter. And
I'd love to hear a little bit about the things
that are in your remix, like what are those ingredients?
If you were a recipe, what are you What is

(14:18):
your recipe for your remix? Oh, my goodness, I love
this question. Um. How fun. So my heritage, my dad
is Black and Native American, and my mom is of
Eastern European Jewish descent. My dad grew up in California.
My mom grew up on the East Coast in New Jersey.
She moved to here in l A. Actually she moved

(14:38):
to when she was ten, and they met in Berkeley,
which is where I grew up, kind of during the
Civil Rights movement, And so I grew up in this
very multicultural household. And my maternal grandmother, Betty, who I
was very very close with Growing up, she was a
travel agent. The thing that lit her up was planning
family trips to different places all over the world, and

(15:01):
so from a very young age she would plan these
exuberant trips for us to different places around the world
and would cut coupons and it was like a whole thing,
and we get that to the paper tickets in the mound.
Was like, Oh, we're going to Mexico, or we're going
to Israel, or we're going to Europe. You know, we've
got to travel from a young age and see so
many different places. So that was so important and I

(15:24):
just always loved, loved traveling ever since I was a
very small child. When I was thirteen, my family moved
to Switzerland for a year. My parents were teaching at
a university there and so we did kind of a
sabbatical year and I went to the public school in
Switzerland in a very small town. I learned to speak Swiss,

(15:47):
German and some French, and learned what it felt like
to be a foreigner and how much about yourself you
learn when you're in Trench and a culture that's so
different from the culture that you were raised in. So
that was a really pivotal thing for me. So I
ended up going back to Switzerland and living there for
another year when I was in high school and lived

(16:07):
with a Swiss family. And then I ended up going
to u c. L A. And did my junior year
abroad in Italy and fell in love with a boy
while I was there and ended up moving back to
Italy and staying for another seven years. So this mix
of these different locations that were very close to me

(16:29):
and we're sort of pivotal. And then my heritage with
Black culture and Jewish culture were sort of the main
cultures that I was raised with, and I was really
raised with both cultures. Those are some of my main ingredients. Um,
the mix continues and ingredients continue to be added, and
I think that that's one of those things that's um

(16:51):
also really important about learning about yourself and and curiosity,
right Like, I think that when it comes to your
own personal identity and unpacking who you are are, that
something that never stops, and and it shouldn't stop. You know,
I'm listening to your story and then I see the
visual representation of your life story in your work at Junglow.

(17:16):
One of the things that even I have spoken about
is that you have really brought us to That idea
of creativity is not nice to have. It's an essential
part of who you are for our listeners who may
not have had such a colorful life story and that

(17:36):
self awareness that you have to translate that life story
into being a maker. What is the first step that
people can take with their lived experience and their sense
of identity to really delve into their creativity in a
deeper way. It's easy for me to share what that
is for me, but I think when it comes to

(17:58):
everyone else, everyone's going to have their own vibe. You
might like coloring in a coloring book, you might like
cooking as your outlet for creativity. I think there are
so many ways to express one's creativity, and there's no
one right way to do it. For me, I love
the experience of input and output. So, for example, this weekend,

(18:21):
I was at the Huntington's here in Pasadena, which just
these incredible like botanical gardens, and I absolutely love going
to a botanical gardens and taking photos. I like to
get really abstract, get really close up to the leaves,
noticed the textures, the patterns, all the different colors. It's

(18:42):
something that's so inspiring for me. So I love just
really taking my time walking through these gardens and noticing
all the special little moments. I really think that's something
that everyone can do, right. You just open your eyes
to something that brings you joy, that brings you that
that curiosity that delight. Take a photo. Then I sort

(19:03):
of catalog these photos for myself. Then when I get home,
I usually get out my watercolors. I could maybe do
it on my computer or an iPad, like maybe it's
just a pencil and a paper, but just sketching and
drawing and just allowing yourself some time to explore without
thinking about the outcome. It's really just an exploration. One

(19:27):
of our mottos at Jungalow, and one of the things
that sort of part of the DNA of the brand
is that everyone is creative and that everyone can find
ways to express that creativity in their home. And so
I think it's really about just carving out time, right.
And I know that can be tricky for so many
of us, like dedicating even small amounts of time, but

(19:48):
I really consider dedicating even just fifteen minutes a day
to creativity as a form of self care, and it
can take so many different shapes, and it doesn't have
to include crazy supplies or an art studio or an
office or anything like that. It's just something as simple
as collecting some leaves off the ground and noticing the

(20:11):
different shapes and the different colors and how they play
off of each other. That's creative. Jina. You're telling me
either day on our Instagram live about reconnecting to the
simple pleasures of that daily creative practice, because obviously you
have many creative practices going on in a whole cycle

(20:32):
of curiosity, connecting to others in your community and completing things.
And we've talked about your love of completion, and I'm
a huge fan of yours because you complete things. Thank
you for doing that for all of us. But we
were talking about that time where you were like, oh,
I was having a bad day and sort of that
exercise you were doing in the morning. Can you talk
to us a little bit about that, because I think

(20:54):
I want to recreate a version of that for myself.
Everyone should recreate a version of this for yourself. It
started almost a decade ago at the apartment I was
living in at the time. We had this little courtyard
and there was a peppercorn tree, and the leaves of
the peppercorn tree looked like eyes, and the little peppercorns

(21:16):
kind of looked like eyeballs. So I was like just
sweeping up one day and I was like, these kind
of look like eyes, these kind of like eyeballs. I
looked over, Um, they're watching you. They're all watching you. Um.
So there's a bougun via bush across the way, and
so there's all these bright pink bracts and then they

(21:38):
just looked like little pockered lips. So they've got the
line that goes right for it looks like someone's wearing
like my favorite shade of Nars lipstick. And so I
just started playing, and I had a little white table
on the patio and I just started putting the peppercorns
and the leaves and the bougon Via bract and all
of a sudden, I had a face and it looked

(22:00):
so realistic, and I was looking at it and kind
of tripping out. I was like, oh my god, this
really looks like a face. Right, So I just started
playing with it, taking a few pictures, and when I
was done sweeping, I just sweep the leaves away, swep
the leaves away and put them in the compost, and
that was it. But every time I saw that face
on social media, yeah you so that moment, she's watching you.

(22:31):
It's returning this activity into something creepy. But no, it's no, no,
it's accountability. She's watching you to make sure you do it.
She's like the goddess of the Folian. So this, this activity,
and especially when my daughter was young, became something that

(22:53):
I did every single day. Is I would go out.
I would take my daughter out on walks, and I'd
have a little ziplock bag and anytime I all like
an interesting looking seed, pod or leaf, I would just
collect it and put it in my little ziplock And
then I would get home, when I would put my
daughter away for a nap, then I would go outside
and do these little faces and take pictures of them

(23:13):
and started sharing them on Instagram, and I invited my
community to make them too, because it really felt like
something so easy. You needed no supplies to do it.
It's so fun and everyone's always really smitten with the
results because their faces look like real faces, and they
have expressions, and they like look nad or like they're laughing,
or like they have a secret and they want to

(23:34):
share with you. And so I kind of started creating
these little narratives around these faces. I called the project
Face the Foliage and there's a Face the Foliage Instagram
account and hashtag as well, and so now people from
all over the world take part in this movement of
making these portraits out of leaves and flowers. And it's
just it couldn't be more simple. Okay, how did I

(23:57):
not know about this account? Because I'm like dying it is.
That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen a lot
of joy. What I love about this Face the Foliage
is that anyone can do it. That creativity doesn't have
to be something that's out of reach. You don't have
to be quote unquote a creative person. Why do you

(24:19):
think it is that anyone can be creative? Because I've
seen it. I've seen it over and over and over again.
I've seen it in my daughter when she was a baby.
I've seen it in language and learning new languages, even
just in a single word. There's so much creativity there.
And I love thinking about the origins of things, right,

(24:40):
and so in order to create the world that we
live in, it just wouldn't be possible without human creativity.
And the human creativity is just it's so clear that
it's inside everyone. And so when I hear people saying like, oh, well,
I'm not creative, Like you couldn't get up in the
morning if you were creative, you're making creative to say,
visions all throughout your day, whether you realize it or not.

(25:03):
Putting your clothes on in the morning is a creative decision.
And so some people value those creative decisions in different
ways than other people. And so I think that when
it comes to home decor, which is a world that
Junglow is housed in, people are also making creative decisions
about their homes all the time. Even if that create

(25:24):
decision is to leave your walls white, not to inject
a lot of personality into your home, to do the
basic basic stuff like, that's still a creative decision. And
so I think creativity is all around us, and it's
really inside us all and it's about whether or how
you choose to tap into it and cultivate it and

(25:45):
practice it. And that's something that I think is really
undervalued as well. I think a lot of times we
talk about people as being talented or creative the same
way we might talk about somebody who's a brunette or
has brown eyed is. But to me, this is something
that is cultivated throughout our lives. And even something as

(26:06):
simple as a face the foliage project in the morning
and getting up and doing something like that, it changes
the way you see the world. Last week we are
on the podcast, we were talking about making space, just
how the space time continuum has been collapsing on all
of us and what a true boundary is. And I

(26:27):
wonder from what you're saying, if instead of saying I
have to make space and then doing it, maybe what
you do is you start with a creative practice, like
I'm going to do a face the foliage painting. Because
if you're going to say you're going to do that,
or if you say to yourself, I'm going to blog
for say fifteen minutes every single day, you need the
space to do that. By making that decision to do

(26:50):
that thing, then space has to be created around it.
And so I think space could be looked in those
two different ways, where you can intentionally say I'm going
to make space or something, or you can pick the
thing the practice and then say I have to make
space around how to do that? If we could wrap
up by talking about the word space sort of like
a free a free association, because a lot of how

(27:14):
people associate Jungalow and you is this idea of taking
the mundane, as we said, to a sublime level. It
can happen without millions of dollars, with color, with plants.
That's a physical space. You have metaphorical space in your
brain for different types of creativity. But can you talk
just free association about what you think of the word space.

(27:38):
I hear a lot about holding space right now in
the wellness arena and talking about holding space for yourself,
holding space for other people. So I think about holding
space as sort of this sacred place where you're there
for someone that you love, or maybe someone that you
don't love, maybe someone that you're just getting to know

(27:59):
and really listening powerfully. Then I think of making space
and making space for me. What that means is having
a space that reflects who I am and a place
where I can really grow and thrive with my family.
And it means being in a in a space that's
inspiring and a space that I allow to be ever changing,

(28:19):
in a space that I allow to not be perfect
and to know that this is going to change tomorrow,
because I'm going to change tomorrow, and that's okay. This
is a wet campus. Well. I think we wish for
you time space, physical space, metaphysical space, mental space to
be and Justina, thank you for becoming a friend. I

(28:43):
can't pay you back for all the times that I
have been inspired by you as well. Thank you both
so much. Hi, it's me Eve. I wrote Find Your
Unicorn Space as a permission slip for you to reconnect

(29:05):
and discover that thing that makes you come alive without
the guilt, without the excuses. Especially in our all too
busy world, making time for ourselves is essential work. It
improves our health, our relationships, and it just might be
the antidote to burnout. Join me on a journey to
find your unicorn Space. Visit unicorn space dot com. So

(29:34):
every episode of this podcast will be ending with an
action item for you are listeners that we call a
time out. This is really a time for you to
focus on yourself and reflect on what you're hearing today.
Unicorn Space is not a hobby or a one time
passion or a side hustle, but a space you can
get curious about something, connect with other humans, and complete

(29:55):
an idea and so getting curious. Let's you a time
out today to start getting people inspired, getting people curious
just this week. You don't have to be choreographing anything.
You don't have to be writing a giant book. Let's
just talk about inspiration that we could do this week.
Small start where you are time out to get inspired.

(30:19):
No fair playbook Adity comes out without some version of
a card game. So I'm prototyping this card game. It's
a remix game. It's like Cards Against Humanity or I
like to call it Cards for Humanity, because that's what
we're really trying here. We're trying to be more human.
So this game starts with me reading you fifty cards,

(30:41):
and I want you to pick one that you feel
curious about right now, just anything, don't think too hard
about it. And then what I'm gonna do is I'm
going to pick another card that you can remix with it,
just to get you inspired for this week. And by
the way, for our listeners, this is what you're gonna
be doing. You're going to be with us, taking out
your journal, picking one of those cards and then asking yourself,

(31:04):
why you picked it, and if you're interested in getting
a PDF copy of the game, go to fairplay life
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go otherworldly pursuits like taro, astrology or magic, genealogy and lineage,
spiritual wellness, racing, cars, horses or boats, circus, theater and production,

(31:25):
snow sports, sports with balls, triathlon, running, memories and archiving,
sports with wheels, rhetoric, martial arts, dance, performing animals, travel
and culture, outdoors, water sports, storytelling, art, stitching in needles, metallurgy, music, woodworking, photography,

(31:53):
gardening and farming, florals, pottery, beauty, arrows and axes, building
in d i y, restoration and renovation, cooking, baking, coding, games,
video games, health and wellness, language and anthropology, event planning, finding,
collecting and forging, fashion, writing, teaching, research and learning, design,

(32:18):
math and sciences. So which card of all those just
stuck out to you today? Travel and culture. I have
so many, but I can't name them all, so I'll
just stick with travel and culture. Tell me a little
bit about why. Prior to the pandemic, I was an
avid traveler. I've been to so many different places, lived

(32:40):
in various parts of the world, and the pandemic put
all of that to a halt. It's been very difficult
to be landlocked and stuck, and it's taken a toll
on my mental health, as it has for everyone who
used to travel as their restpit and their winter escape
hatch and to really get a sense of the world

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beyond themselves. And now I want to hear the values
that it connects with. I've always been fascinated by the
human story. That's why I went into medicine. I'm an
extrovert and I love speaking to different people, learning about
different cultures. I speak several languages and I'm always trying
to learn new different words and different languages because communication

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is something that it lights me up. And of course
seeing different places, the visual aspect of travel, the foods,
the fashion, the sites, the sounds like, all of that.
It's an immersive experience. And I love that feeling of
feeling small in a place that's so vast. Being in

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a city where I don't know anyone and I'm exploring
it brings out that sense of childlike wonder for me. Okay,
I love it. I want to just repeat back to
you what I hear so that I can pick a
card that I think we can remix with your travel
and culture. I heard the values of the human story.

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I heard the value of connecting with others. I heard
the value of learning languages and other cultures. I heard
the value of communication. I heard the value of beauty.
I heard the value of being out of control, like
the idea of surrendering to the unknown. I heard the
value of taste and immersion. And wonder does that do it? Okay?

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Job reflecting what you said? Perfect? Okay. So I'm going
to pick a card that can remix with travel and culture,
and I'm picking research and learning. So what I'd like
you to do is to have a learning night with
your family or with yourself. I'd like you to have

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your whole family put ten different locations into a bowl,
so have them look at it alas You're gonna pick
just random, tend pop and Guinea or Argentina. Just have
everybody pick at least two or three put in the bowl.
Then you're going to pick out one of the pieces
of paper at random. You'll open it up, so say

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you pick buen us aires Argentina. Now, the research and
learning part of travel and culture is that since you
can't go to that place yet, what I'll ask you
to do is that for everybody to bring one piece
of research and learning to your travel and culture dinner.
So maybe that's a craft from Argentina. Maybe that's a
local food like an empanada like you have to order

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in empanadas. Maybe it's bringing Spanish words to the table
so that your whole family just converses in Spanish that night,
even if it's you've never spoken the language before. Maybe
it's a YouTube video with a festival from Argentina. So
that's what I'll ask you to do this week. Find
a traveling culture night and then I love it, learn

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about it. I have the biggest smile on my face
because that is the Unicorn space. It allows you to
be wherever you are and still pursue that sense of
curiosity and wonder which lights you up. So listeners, what
you're gonna do is you're going to play the solitaire
version of this. Take a card, any card, pick it,

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write down why you picked it, write down the values
it connects with you, and then take any other card
from the deck and remix it, combine it, make it
into a delicious batter with another card and pick one
thing you're going to do this week. That's a remix.
So that's today's time out, and next week we'll be
back to build on the commitment and creativity conversation we

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had with Justina. We're gonna be talking about goals. Thank
you for listening to Time Out, a production of I
Heeart Podcasts and Hello Sunshine. I'm Eve Rodsky, author of
the New York Times bestseller fair Play and find your
Unicorn Space. Follow me on social media at Eve Rodsky
and learn more about our work at fair Play Life.

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And I'm Dr Addi Narucar, the Harvard physician with a
specialty and stressed resilience burnout in mental health. Follow me
on social media at Dr add Narucar and find out
more about my work at doctor a d D dot com.
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Our Hello Sunshine team is Amanda farrand Aaron Stover and

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Jennifer Yonker. Our I Heart Media team is Ali Perry,
Jennifer Bassett, and Jessica Kranschitch. We hope you all love
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