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October 11, 2023 47 mins

This week our "Street Politicians" Mysonne and Tamika join together and speak on their constant work in Kentucky and making sure people are registered to vote for the upcoming election. Later in the episode, they speak on the criticism surrounding Drake's recent album "For All The Dogs", Sexy Red comments on liking Trump and  the evolution of Hip Hop overall. 

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's up. Family's your girl, TONI ka.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
D Mallory and it shit boy my son in general.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
And we are your hosts of street politicians, the place
where the streets and politics mean. That's how you doing today.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
I am blessed how they favored on this good old,
good old day.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
As we continue to do this work in Louisville, Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yep, in Louisville, Kentucky, we move around so much, so much. Yeah,
there's lots of work to be done today.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yes, there's way too much work to be done. Man,
both for Brianna Kentucky. We need you to show up Louisville, everybody,
and we need you to show up in vote for
Brianna man cuz the damn man, the scam scammering cannot.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Be the governor scammer.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
So when asked me at an event, like how does
it feel to have your biggest opposition in Kentucky coming
from a black man?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I was like, you know, when I think of the
word like, when I think.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Of the term black man, it's so it's such a
term of endearment for me when I think of or
say a black man that I don't even I can't
call him a black man. I call him a man
in black skin, but I don't know about him being
a black man, because a black man is supposed to
protect black women. So, you know, I think it's very

very simple what we're doing and why it needs to
be done.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
You know, what Daniel Cameron did.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
To Brionna Taylor's family is obviously terrible, and so that
in and of itself is enough, I think for people
to really show up and do the right thing. But
even beyond that, it is his intention for the people
of Kentucky. So if you decide that you don't really
care about Brionna Taylor, which is horrific, But if that's
how you feel, you should at least be able to

process what his plan means for everyday people who are
living in the state of Kentucky, especially if you are
parents of young people, if you're an elder, if you're
someone who wants to be able to report police abuse,
and you want someone that respects you and that respects

your rights to be not just the governor, but also
the people in the Civilian Complaint Review Board that will
actually look at those facts and a independent decision about
what should happen in those cases. If you want to
ensure that, yes, we keep our community safe, but that

safety and justice is applied across the board, and that
we're not just focused on arresting and charging drug dealers,
if you will, or people who live in communities of color,
but actually we're willing to go after and deal with

those people who are the big predators on our communities,
from big pharma to how drugs actually are making it
into states and cities and into people's homes on this
massive level. I mean, there is so much to think about,
and when you look at his plan, you know that

his plan has absolutely nothing to do with serving the people.
I just feel like it's just a no, Like it
should be common sense for everybody.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
That is just a no that he cannot be governor
of the state. You know.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
So hopefully folks are seriously out here getting registered. As
we've been out we've been meeting entire families that are like,
oh yeah, let me go wake up my kids because
I've been waiting for somebody to come by here.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I didn't know exactly what to do.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
You know, people are have been doing the work, and
now now the registration deadline has passed or at least
by the time folks actually see this show or listen
to this show, the deadline has passed, and so all
our efforts are going to GOTV which means get out
the vote. That means you're already registered and you need

to get to the polls. And the other thing is
that people need to be in any state you live.
And if you're listening to this, check your registration early.
Go check your registration from now, just to know your status,
because people are purged from the roles if they don't
vote a number of times. If they feel like you're
kind of like, haven't been regis I mean, haven't been

showing up. If some information is wrong or they perceive
it to be wrong, they start purging people. Some of
it is voted suppression. Others are just ways of maintaining
the list. So there's a lot of work that each
one of us should be doing. But when we are
in moments like this, this is why you have to
be registered while you have to make sure your paperwork

is in order. Because when we're in moments like this,
when I believe that everybody, even the folks who are
like I don't believe in voting, most of them understand
the importance of showing up to stop Daniel Cameron from
becoming governor.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
So that's the deal.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's pretty much it. Man, Daniel Scammeron cannot be the governor.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Man, Get out the vote, GOOTV, Get out the vote.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I've been actually watching a debate happening.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well I don't know if it's a debate but a
conversation that's been going on on your page. And I
saw while old folks about it today and others have
begun to talk about it, you know, since last week,
and I you know, and I don't always understand the details,
but I know when reading what you've been saying about

art and talent and lyrics and all of that, it's
certainly struck a nerve with me because I feel like
we have just's gone to a place where I don't
know what's going on in them. Like with music, especially
hip hop music, I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Same songs or stuff. I can't even I can't even
really like sing it.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Because because it's just like I don't know. So there
was stuff happening. I think the numbers are down or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, hip hop legend Juicy J had put out a
video clip and he was talking about hip hop sales
being down forty percent this year, and you know, there's
been a lot of talk about how there hasn't been
any hip hop album or record anything that reached number
one this year, and it just hip hop was pretty

much nonexistent on the Billboard charts and on the charts
of music that people love. There's no song or record
that had reached number one, and you know, so it
sparked the conversation then based on that, you know, it
kind of stemmed from this whole debate with Joe Butten
and Drake. You know, Joe Buddens shout out to Joe Bunns,

He's my guy. But Joe is very critical. He can
be an asshole sometimes and he gives his opinion and
he's unhinged and he you know, if he likes something,
he's going to give the same energy that if he.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Don't like something. He's honest about what he likes and
what he doesn't like. You know.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Unfortunately, that's who he is. You know, Fortunately it is
who he is because at least you know where you
stand with Joe. But this time he talked about Drake's album,
and you know, and he talked about how he just
didn't think that, you know. The main premise was that
Drake was trying to capitulate to the youth, you know,
he was trying to make songs that didn't fit where

he should be, where he believed he should be musically
as an adult, you know, as a thirty seven year
old man. He didn't feel that his music reflected somebody
that was thirty seven, you know. And he said, as
a Drake fan, I want to hear where Drake is
at thirty seven, and it seems like you're trying to
appeal to a younger demographic and you're doing songs with
people who you know, I don't really see the correlation

or how it even matches, you know. And and him
to him, you know, Old Roy said the album wasn't terrible.
It was actually it was a good album, but it's
just like, I don't really want to hear this from me,
you know. And that's that started a conversation in which
Drake responded back, and he called Joe Button's a fail rapper,
and he started breaking down different things, and that kind

of struck a nerve with me, you know, because I've
gone through that with Bozo academics when we were going
through hour back and forth, and that was the main thing.
He kept trying to say that I was a fail rapper,
and I just you know, and that made me respond
to that, and I said, what makes somebody a fail rapper?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Like? Who? What is the definition? Who defines what someone
else's success is? You know? And me knowing.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Joe for years and knowing Joe is probably one of
the dopest rappers, like Ball for Ball, he's like actually
a dope rapper, you know, And a lot of times
within the music business, people get tired of the bullshit
in the music business. You don't want to make the
bullshit songs they want you to make. You want to
make songs that feel good, and they don't want to
push those songs. They don't get behind those songs. They
don't put the building behind songs that actually mean something

unless you're actually the biggest artist, and then they can't
really stop you, you know, and even then, you know,
they try to make it seem like nobody wants to
hear that type of music, you know, when we know
that our fans want to hear it. So you know,
it prompted me to write something about what a fail
rapper is. And then it prompted me to start paying
attention to a lot of rappers that actually adope. So

I started posting young rappers that are actually are lyrical,
because the notion is that the young kids are not
into lyrics and they don't care about bars and they
don't want to do that. They just want a beat
in a hook and some you know, sing a long bullshit.
And I was like, nah, I don't think that a
lot of these young artists that actually spit and they
dope and they they take pride in they art. So

when this Juicy Jay article came up, it pretty much
fed into the narrative. I was trying to say, like
the music that y'all think people want to hear, they don't,
you know. When we was the music that I'm telling
you has last. It got us here. It's last for
the last fifty years. We win fifty years of hip
hop and substance music with substance and artists who actually

created bars and said things that people actually could relate to,
that you know, that that challenged them, that made them
feel like, wow, this this artist is skilled. Right if
you do if you're an artist, why would I pay
for an album from you when you're doing the same
shit I could do.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Right. You know why we go see the.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
NBA because because because Lebron James can jump higher than me,
because I know he Kybriy Irving got one of the
best things I've ever seen. I want to see somebody
that could do something I can't that I'm amazed by,
because you have a skill level or the talent that
makes people say, wow, this level of excellence is something

I want to see something I'm I'm intrigued by something.
I even even if you were an athlete and you
know what it takes to play at that level, you watch.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
And you're like, wow, you know you you you're.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Able to identify with that. That's what people That's what
fans want. They want you perform at a high level.
They want to hear music that's at a high level,
that that challenges them, that makes them like, damn, how
did he even write? I remember I used to listen
to NAS's albums and just turn it, turn it off
and be like, Yo, this I've never heard no shit
like I remember. I used to sit there and be like, Yo,

this man. He painted a picture. He was lyrical, it
was just like this. She was like perfect music, and
it was like, damn, I don't think I could do that,
but I want to try, right, and you want to
inspire to be that dope. And it made me want
to be able to say, y'all want nas to hear
this song and be like, yo, you dope.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
You know what I'm saying. So that's that's what a
lot of us did it for.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
So when this whole fail rapping on shit, that's what
you know what kind of triggered me in that reg
some When Juicy J said what he said, you know,
it made.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Me It's like it's solidified exactly. And I saw that
you were posting like a bunch of rappers who are
like and I also, I would like to log my complaint,
which is that not one of them was one.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
People know, but that's and I understand that, and that's
what I.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
There's a lot of women because Nylon is dope.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Are listen what I'm saying. I'm not.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
I did.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm just giving me a chance right now.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Lady came one, Lady Lendon came on my page and
she was like, this list is dope, but it's missing people.
So I'm now I'm creating my list with the whole
plane ride. I was trying to I couldn't get download
none of the clips from the artists I like the
female artists that I like. So I'm creating the female
artist's list right now that I think it's dope, you know,

and I'm putting that out there.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
As we we have platforms, we both understand it. You
should have said that in your post, like I'm women
are coming soon next?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Why should I have to do that when because you didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Because you didn't, you shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Let me tell you something about what I learned from
my black preacher, best friend, pastor doctor Richardson.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
He don't put nothing out period unless a woman is
on it. Period. He just don't do it. It is
his way.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
He don't let He does not allow all men to
sit in his pulpit unless it's an all male event,
of course, you know, with which our church has many
male convocations, black male events, whereas all men and it's
about male development and male fellowship and whatever. So not
saying we as women don't disrespect it and try to

be up in it, but in terms of just a.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
General day like a general church day.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
He ensures that there is a woman on every flyer,
a woman in every invitation, a woman that's on every program,
because the Black church has been so exclusive of like excluding,
and has excluded Black women so much that you have
to be very intentional. And that's why I was mentioning
to you that what I thought Snoops set of course

was incredible at Yankee Stadium for the fiftieth Anniversary of
Hip Hop, and then he played a video at the
end of artists that We've lost and it was all
men and there have been women right that have been
killed or died or whatever also, And I also thought
that he because it wasn't just artists, he had other

types of entertainment people and just people in general in
that clip, And I felt like it should have also.
It would have been amazing if it would have ended
with some of the stories of the Breonna Taylors and
George Floyd's and the Maud Armist, because our story is
so inclusive. So I just think that the women should
been upfront, and if they weren't gonna be upfront, you

should have known that we were gonna feel a.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Way about it. It has been two days.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know, it's been one day because I put it
up yesterday.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
I put it up yesterday, and today I planned on
going back, and I've been putting all the clips, and
I've been finding my favorite artists, and then I'm trying
to find like at least two clips that I can
put up with different young females that I think are
just amazing rappers, like Lyrically. You know I got you know,
I got my tops. You know I got rapped, lady.

You know what I'm saying. It's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Stuff coming you tell me, like for real.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
So it's like, I just want I want hip hop
to get back to that. I want hip hop to
get back to love and the creativity. You know, I
used to love to hear certain people albums. Now it's
like they're just throwing shit together.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Man, Well, we're in the fence and all stage. But
we must, we must, we must move on to our
next topic.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Sir. I know this you could talk about a day night.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Okay, I'm the sam hip hop. Please get back to creating.
Get back to sitting down and creating a project you
love that you listen to over and over that you
go back to the studio and you fix this and
you fix that, and you want it to just sound
like one cohesive project that somebody's gonna listen to, like
it's a movie and be like, damn, this is my

favorite movie ever.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Like that's what albums used to be. Like, Man, let's
get back to that.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Speaking of hip hop, moving along but not really, sexy
read was a big topic just in the last few
days about her statements that Donald Trump got the black
people's the stemmy and with the stimulus money, it makes
him a viable candidate somebody that she supports for presidency.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
The hood love Trump, Trump, chump, chump, get people that
have money, and he got people out of jail.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
But let me say something.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
There were people who was all in the comments section
saying that she was, you know, ignorant and.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Not intelligent and all of that.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
And actually when I because I only read about it,
but I did not watch it. In fact, I read
about it because I'm on a million text threads with
a million different people, and all of my you know,
friends that are kind of there, they're are they're of
the community. Let me say they're of the community. You know,
they were pissed off, and so I in in In

You know, I watched it. I went and watched it,
and as I listened to her, she was very clear.
She didn't stumble over her words. She didn't sound like
a person who does not has not thought about it.
Because I listened to people all the time make these
declarations that they are like with whoever whatever candidate, whether

it be Trump or Biden or whichever candidate or whichever
police situation, and they said, you can hear where they.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Sound like someone told them to say it.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Even listening to Kanye and some of the things that
he was saying in his last bit with the media,
where he was just every day talking, you could hear
canvas owned and that proud boy's mentality and like you
could hear that it had been implanted in him. And

guess what, I'm not the only person that feels that way.
Because his own friends, who are who were his friends
or people he was associating with who were around him consistently,
other black folks, who some of them most of them
are artists, they were like, I could they could hear it.
They were immediately saying, I know that this is somebody

is telling him this stuff and maybe he thought it
was right, but he was repeating things that you could
I could tell it wasn't coming directly from him.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
But when listener, yeah, it was the right wing talking points.
But listening to her, she was very very clear about
what she was stating.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
While I don't agree with her, and not only do
I not agree with her, it is factually incorrect what
she's saying.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
It is factually incorrect.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Donald Trump and his party are responsible for the stimulus
package because number one, most Republicans, I think every single
one of the Republicans in Congress voted against the stimulus
package and was trying to really vote down and challenge

anything that had to do with giving relief to the
American citizen. So let's be clear. It was a battle
Nancy Pelosi, who I ain't the biggest fan of at all.
Like when I say not the biggest fan of, that's
actually too. I'm not a Nancy Pelosi fan, and listen in.
But I can tell you that between Nancy Pelosi and

Chuck Schumer and the CBC and the Progressive Caucus and
all of them, they fought like hell to make sure
that there.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Was a stimulus package. That is a fact.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
It is not some mess that's just being made up. Also,
the president, I don't care if the president was daffy duck, right,
the president had no choice but to do something to
deal with the fact that people had nothing, no jobs,
no nothing.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's what the stimulus.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
That is what that is what it means when you
have to declare a pandemic, When you have to declare
a pandemic, the purpose of that is to unlock additional
funds so that people can get relief, so that there's
more you know, food stamps or whatever the social services.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Are that we can provide two communities. So Donald trying.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
And this would be if someone was saying, oh, Joe
Biden gave us a stimulus package, just like they want
to talk about student loans, and we can talk about that.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
But just like they want to talk about that, we
already know. And it's and it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
It's interesting that when we say that, well, Joe Biden
made sure that these this nine million dollars of student
loan debt, nine billion dollars non billion dollars a student
loan debt was forgiven, they're like, oh, no, no, no,
he didn't do anything. He just corrected some stuff from

the past. Whatever they want to give you a very
technical understanding of what he did with the stimulus package.
I mean, excuse me, with the loan forgiveness. They want
to give you a very specific understanding. But when it
comes to the stimulus money, they want to tell you
that that was because Donald Trump winning his personal pocket
and just started giving out money. Him and his people

were fighting so hard to ensure that the American First
of all, if it was up to Donald Trump, he
was never even willing to acknowledge that a pandemic was happening.
If we be clear, If you want to be clear
about what actually took place, Miss Red and people who
are like her.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Okay, yeah, miss read, miss read like.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Her, if you want to be clear.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
By the time we found out that that that someone
had COVID, the COVID virus, and that people were being
were getting sick, it was when the media started showing it.
But there is actual factual information that proves that they
knew people were getting sick and that something was happening
globally even before that, and they never told us.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Anything about it.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
And Donald Trump and his people, his cronies and those
who sit up in the Republican House and and hail
him like he's the freaking King of all kings. They
knew it too, and they didn't do a damn thing
to try to protect the American citizens. It was after
people started dying because the hospitals were not prepared, they

didn't know what they were dealing with.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
They wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
He was so pissed off that people weren't doing whatever
other political bullshit he wanted them to do. That The
man starts by the first of all, he cut off
supplies so they wouldn't even send mask and shit to
states across this country. Then they started some othership where
in New York he cut off the whole global entry

process and threw all of us out the damn program,
where the freaking Attorney General in New York State had
to fight in court to get us back our right
to use global entry. That might not matter to some people,
but it matters to me as much as I travel.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Well, yeah, man, but the thing is, and there's another
very important point. Trump actually stalled the stimulus package because
because he made sure that they put his name on
the check.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
On the check, he said, look, I'm gonna make this.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Listen to me. Trump is a that's the Marketer bro
I will tell you the truth. That's what he did.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's his whole His whole career has been selling dreams.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
That's what he did. He's in court right now for
selling dreams. He's in court right now fighting a federal
civil charge because he said that his his his properties
was valued at one hundred times more than he actually
was to get money and get funds from people to
pay for ship.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
This is what Trump does. Trump over sells hisself. He
does whatever he does. This is what he did.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Like I told people with the hip hop community, Trump
calls you there for one thing, and you go there
and then he takes a picture with you, he said
thanks for coming here, and like you endorsed him for
his presidency.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
This is the same whatever, whatever, playing whatever.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
This is a strategy. He did the same shit with
so many countless others. And I'm not gonna name no names,
but this is what he does and he's constantly doing it.
So misread. I know that you looked like it because
he tricked.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
He tricked you.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Ain't not wrong with you because he tricked a lot
of them, but he tricked you, mis read.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Trump ain't give nobody nothing and Trump definitely.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
They didn't give No, I'm not gonna even say he
didn't give it.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
He was president and under his presidency it happened.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, I'm saying irresponsible for it.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I'm saying he wasn't responsible for it.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
He and his party they tried to stop it at
some point, and by the time they delayed it, like
you said, to get his name on the check, people
were dying. And it was much more that could have
been done to prevent those deaths, because you and I know,
I would put my life on the fact that many people,

too many people did not actually die from the virus,
from the COVID virus. They died from the our our
system not being prepared and the freaking hospitals down here,
damn chilling people. Your friend is an example what they said.
They went to see him, what's his name, the artist

Fred to God, he went to the he's Fred, the
God's son. Yeah, God blessed in his family went to
the hospital.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, he wasn't feeling well.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
He was having chess issues, he wasn't feeling well, he
was clearly overweight, all of that. But she, his wife,
said he was doing okay. He was making it through
they decided at some point without him needing it, that
he needed to be on a respirator because that was
the general response. A ventilator, uneventilator, because that was the

general response at the time when they didn't have the
tools or the understanding of the virus. And he and
they put him on that ventilator, and that's when he
got really sick and died.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Anytime you put someone in ventilated, you stopped You stopped
the actual organs from doing his job. So as whatever
was going on, your body is not fighting it is,
you fee your breathing artificially.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
So what happens with COVID.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
And what we learn now is that the more that
your body fights it, and the more that your lungs,
even if it gets tight and it looks like it
fights it back and it breaks it down, you just
got to continue to fight. You gotta move, you gotta
be active, You got to make sure your blood is pumping.
The less active you are, that shit takes over your body.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
But I don't want to I'm not trying.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I'm not trying to diagnose. You're not doing anything.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, no, no, no, it's not even diagnosing.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
I don't want people to walk away from this conversation
feeling like we are saying that there were not people
who were really, really sick and they died because they
contract the virus. I'm saying that when you start talking
about Trump said.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Well a lot more. There was just a lot of
people that didn't have to die.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
They didn't have to die. They didn't have to die.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
And that's connected to the incompetence of Donald Trump. So
when you all you care about is the fact that
he got some checks to a few people a few times,
and you and and there was a little bit of
money crossing hands. And meanwhile grandmamm and them dead. Meanwhile
cousin so and so is dead. Meanwhile five and six

people died in the same household because of his incompetence.
So let's just be very very careful, okay about what
we say. And again, you know you're not.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I'm not gonna see him say he didn't give the
money because he was the president, right, and so he
did what a president is supposed to do. Now that
brings us to the conversation on the student loan forgiveness.
Here's my position on that nine billion dollars. They say oh,
that's not that much.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's not And the big.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Piece shout out to Tony Lindsay, who will he and
I argue on the phone for three hours?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
He and I. Jules just had a three hour.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Conversation a couple of days ago, Julian Hoffenberg that works
with us, and we often have disagreements. But the one
thing I will say is that the man reads and
he knows what the hell he'd be talking about. But
we just see things from two different persons. Respect this
at times.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
And one of the piece the things that he was saying, which,
by the way, I don't know what's up.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
With Instagram, but the the the but the the silencing
of people is so wrong, Like I don't care what
you say, as long as you don't curse me out
or disrespect me or start that line and all of
that crazy shit that trolling.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I want to hear it.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
I might not agree, and I'm intelligent enough either to
push back and or go learn and or say I
don't know and ask other.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
People to help me. I don't need comments being deleted
off my page just.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Because a respectful dialogue is happening where two people are
debating or somebody is disagreeing with me, and he wrote
a comment on the page the other day where he
was basically challenging the whole student loan forgiveness piece, and
then somehow Instagram deleted it and I saw him write
about it on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
He wrote about how and he never said.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
My name, and he always tries to make sure that
even if we don't agreed, he protects the integne because
you know, people started piling.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
On to you.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
So he said my friend's page. You know, the comment
was deleted and I just happened to see it, and
I'm like, wait a minute. I took the screenshot of
what he said because it was not a curse word.
I mean literally nothing by son, nothing and I posted
it so that the dialogue could continue with people who
feel how they feel about the issue.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
And the main piece was he.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Said, this money and there were other people who made
the same comment, but this money is pretty much correcting
an old problem that was where people were being charged
improperly right or people were paying money they shouldn't be paying,
and there was discrepancies in the system, all different types

of discrepancies, and so the forgiveness was to clear that up.
And then there is a portion that is specifically for
people who are disable they either you know, they can't
work or whatever their situation may be, whatever the criteria is,
and they can no longer pay the lan they can't
make the long repayments. And so let me just say

real quick what the difference is between that example, because
I do recognize that now you want to give Joe
Biden credit for something, but then when we talk about
the stimulus, it's like, oh, let me tell you all
the reasons why Donald Trump ain't shit, because that's how
I feel. Here's the thing with this situation with Donald Trump.

We just talked about the people that had to fight
him to make it happen and how folks was dying
and shit as it was going on. With this situation
with the nine billion dollars, it was a part of
Joe Biden's campaign promises, which he has not lived up
to one hundred percent. There are people who have been

out there protesting about it, writing, meeting, doing everything, and
he put people in place in his administration to focus
on trying to get it done. So the first thing
they did is they attempted to cancel most student debt. Right,
that was the first thing they did you already know?
I ain't even gonna say it. Oh, didn't go again.

We know who shot that down, we know what happened,
we know who voted against it. We know the Supreme
Court that Donald Trump stacked shot it down.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
We know what happened.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
So now they have to piecemeal it. So going back
to clear up something that was done wrong to people
is actually a.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Good thing to me.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's a good thing to me to go back and.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Say this is wrong, let's try to correct this, let's
continue to work on it. Do I think that, oh
that makes him the best president that's ever lived and there's.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Not more to be done? Hell no, Hell no, of
course we know you says shit. Here's the thing. I'm
sitting on student debt that I need to be I
need that.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
I need that loan forgiveness because if I could spend
more of my monthly money going towards the mortgages that
I want to have for the properties that I want
to own additional properties, then that helps me to create
more generational wealth for my family and my bloodline.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
So it actually would be very helpful to me.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
So I'm not trying to sit up here and praise
something that's bullshit because I need it as well. But
the point still remains is that they have said, let
us go and do this because it needs to be corrected.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Now all the people you know what I heard, but
I've seen a lot of people on on your page
saying that it worked for them, that they got loan forgiveness.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
So all of that, well, but that's those are different.
Those are so he's done. So for instance, our cousin
or my cousin, your friend.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Nadine McQueen, she is one of those people that applied
and got her loan forgiven, but she works, she worked
for corrections.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
There are people who work.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
In hospitals, and so there are different layers like something.
You know, if you're a city employee, worked in certain
parts of government, then those people god forgiveness and it goes.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
On and on and on.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
We want to see it across the board, right, So
for people like us who are for a person like
me who doesn't work within a government agency, I'm not
in any of those categories. We want to see it
across the board because that's what he promised, and that
is actually what.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Needs to be done to try to level the play
field of wealth in this nation.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
However, there are people who have received student debt relief.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
It is, That's what I'm saying. I know people that
that's specifically. It worked for me.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Thank God, I'm so happy. So I'm like, I hear
what you're saying. But at the end of the day,
we understand like people act like they don't understand that
the president has limited power. And that's why there's three
branches of government, right because they don't want the president
to be able to do whatever he wants to do
all the time, and his balances and when you have

when you have a house and you know whatever in
Supreme Court, and you have all of these people and
they they and they're bent on trying to stop you
from doing what you want to do. And I've watched
the man makes several executive orders to pause the student
loans because that's within his executive he can make those decisions.
He can say, all right, we're gonna pause him for
this amount of time. It's amount of time we could do.

Now he's doing this, you know, this non billion that
he's able to come up with funds that is within
you know, his.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Power to do. He's accomplishing it. It's like I'm listening.
I'm know Joe.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Biden fan, but what I can say is that the
man is definitely attempting to do shit that I didn't.
I haven't seen no president do for black people in
a long time. That's just my personal opinion. I don't
give a fuck what nobody says. I ain't capping for nobody.
I don't care about none of that. But I'm specifically
watching shit happen. I'm like, Okay, the man's attempting to

do shit already, know just like we if we if
we didn't learn anything from Obama's presidency, then you understand
that they ain't trying to let you do too much
shit for black I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
They just not.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
If you don't, if you have not seen that from
Obama's presidency, if you didn't see what they literally did,
how they pretty much try to rubber stamp everything that
man was trying to do. If you didn't see that,
you know, it's a lot of people that just not
politically stud enough to understand exactly what's going on. So
I don't get mad. You just want you just want
the basic ship you want. I want my bills to

be good.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I want money.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
You want, You want the ship that you want, so
you don't give a fuck about none of the political
You don't understand the ins and outs and the people
that's over here and how you gotta be cool with
this one and get this one to be on your
side and all this ship, and how these people want
to make sure that you didn't do nothing because they
got a presidential election to come up, and if it
looks like you're doing something, then it's harder for them
to get into office. So they got to try to

block you and try to say that you ain't doing
like you don't understand these games that's being played. Then
you just sit there and you frustrated, right, And it's
just like I like, I literally for the last few years,
I really just sat back and studied and watched this shit,
and I said, it's a hell of a game.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
And meanwhile, I could still say on the other side,
there's a bunch of other shit that's not happening, like
that he still is not doing and not doing properly,
and I and so I can I can be a
person who is nuanced, who understands all the different areas,
and still I can say, you know what, I'm still

not going to you know, I'm not going to take
my foot off the gas. We're still gonna push for
what we know is right. And this situation is so
many others.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
So that is what it is.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
And you know there'll be people who will feel and
it's so it's it's completely okay to have people who say,
I don't give you.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
No brownie points for this. You said you was going
to do more.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I want you to do it because because you're not
gonna do the hoodwink trick of we did a little
bit and now.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I tried and I could not figure it out.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
And in fact, Tony mentioned, I don't know if this
is one hundred percent possible, but he says it is,
so you know, people should do their research. He talked
about the Higher Education AT and how with the Higher
Education AT, he could the president could cancel all student debt.

Let's see, you know, let's see. I've asked a few
other my political people. There's some people who disagree, others
who are saying they're looking into it, and I'm waiting
to hear back on where where folks stand on that
and is it possible, because perhaps we need to GEO
target as they say, or really target our ass to
being used this act to cancel all students.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
That doing that somebody ain't well.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I mean, you know, we don't often always listen to
each other.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
And that's why that's why I reposted it because it
seemed that there's also a solution. So let's see what
else do we to talk about today? Oh, I did
want to give a thought of the day.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
You know, I did a.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Panel this past weekend for Charlemagne to god his Mental
Health Mental Wealth Expo, which you know, Charlemagne is really
focused on mental health, specifically trying to get black men
to get therapists and to get more in tune with
our mental well being.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
And in the in the panel, during the panel, I was.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
On with Michelle Williams of Destiny's Child as well as
styles P and we were talking about, you know, just
this whole idea of like getting help and also knowing
our truth and knowing our story and understanding what makes
us unique and why we have to had a certain
type of.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Or certain types of people who are in those rooms with.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Us helping us to think through our stuff, right, And
the thing that struck me that I said on the
panel and it really resonated with the room is that
everybody can't help us.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Everybody can't help us here you sitting down with people who.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Don't know the history of black people, black men, black women,
our stories as Africans who were stolen and brought to
this nation, robbed of our culture, robbed of our names,
if you rob of our homeland, disconnected from one another,
disconnected from family members, from tribes, from tribal culture. If

you don't understand that, as a therapist, it is only
a limited amount of support you can actually give to
Africans here in America, US as black people trying to
get an understanding of the challenges of our households and
our families and our relationships with our children and all

the things that we deal with and suffer with every day.
Everybody can't help you. So make sure when you're looking
for a therapist, it doesn't mean not to go to
the one who just has a real good clinical understanding,
you know, because the first person to help meant with
the drug treatment stuff, was somebody who I know was unconnected,
was disconnected if you will, from my realities, you know,

and all the things I just said about our culture,
But what the person was able to do was provide
me with their own story right about their drug addiction
and the issues and the anxiety or whatever. So I'm
not saying you should not also make sure you maintain
some type of therapy until you can be in this quest,

this constant quest to find someone who can take you
to that next level. Because he was able to help
me with the surface. But my current therapist knows our
history and believes and understands and lives and walks and
is a black man, and so what he takes me
is to a place that goes deeper into the anxiety

of trying to be perfect, of the failures of society
as a black woman, being demonized, and everything that I suffered.
And so everybody can't help us. That's all I want
to say, is everybody can't help us.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
They can't, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
I think at some point I have to get to
a therapist. I don't think I'm not comfortable. I've had
therapists before, and I've sat with therapists, and I don't
I don't think I've had the one person that made
me feel that I needed to talk to them or
open up or made me feel like there was some
level of something that they was doing for me that
I couldn't do for myself. So you know, maybe I

have to get to that because like I'm always my
own therapist. I feel like whatever throughout my life, I've
been dealing with trauma and feel like I had to
deal with it and I had to overcome it and
I found my way out of so many different traumatic
situations on my own that I just haven't. I haven't
found anyone that I'm able to.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Talk to that makes me feel like you haven't looked. Yeah,
maybe I have a looked, but I just haven't. I haven't.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
But I've just never even found that in life, right,
you know what I'm saying, Like, even in life, I've
talked to people and they hear me and they understand,
but I don't really think the average person is able
just to identify with the shit that I've gone through.
Like when you say this person identified and gave you
their own There's never been one person that gave me
a story, with the exception of maybe tone. Tone is

probably the closest thing to a therapist that I've ever
had to somebody that gave me a story that was
similar to mins that made me feel and the thing
is is because we both deal with our trauma the
same way. Like he's a person like me, Like he whatever,
everything he went through, he figured it out on his own.
He got up, he just like, fuck it, I'm gonna
figure it out. I gotta be strong for me. He's

a lonely like this is how he's always been. So
when he's telling me something, it comes it resonates because
I not only do I see him moving a certain
way and I know that we have with similar similar
in those regards, it also is that the story that
he tells me and the way that he rationalized it
and visualized it's the same way that I did. So

you know, I guess I got to find somebody that
you know, makes me feel that comfortable to have those conversations.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I think, Tom, you know, a friend is a friend,
but a clinical therapist, a person who is a psychiatrist,
psychologist is a total different thing. And I'm just sharing
that with you too, because I have friends who knew
about my situation. You were one of the friends that
knew about the addiction, but you could only tell me

certain things. But it takes somebody who has studied in therapy, psychology,
that can help you with a deeper understanding of a
lot of like unraveling the things that you got to
work on. Right as humans, all of us have stuff.
I believe that every person, and specifically every black person
in the world, and especially in this crazy ass amercle

we live in, should have a therapist.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Is somebody who's clinically.

Speaker 2 (44:56):

Speaker 3 (44:57):
It takes time to break down those barriers, but I
certainly needed it, and I don't think that I could
even make it if I didn't have somebody who can
hear things that I'm not even saying and can use
their study, their studied knowledge to help with some of
our issues. I think, you know, that's just something anyway,
That's how I feel. So that's my thought of the day.

Everybody can't heal. You get the therapy, but make sure
you're also in a lifelong quest to find somebody who
knows your cultural story, our cultural background, so that when
they're meeting with you, when they're talking with you, it's
not just on the surface, but it's deep down to
our roots.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Now, we don't have a guest today. We got only
a few more minutes. So it doesn't give you at
a time.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
For I don't even need it, man. You know what
I don't get it is that what I don't get
is how we don't understand that oppression and war breeds death,
and it breeds contempt, and it breeds hate. And if
we if we really are, if we're really invested in
stopping death and stopping violence and stopping all of these things,

then we have to stop a pressure. We have to
stop the things that cause the things that we really
saying that we Again, I tell people all the time,
when you take respect off the table, when you take
humanizing people off the table, when you.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Take when you leave a pressure on the table, then
you actually leave violence on the table.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
And with that said, there's another great episode of Street Politicians,
the number one podcast in the world. Shout out to
our non guests. But we had some dope dialogue today,
you know, and we talked about some good things.

Speaker 2 (46:41):

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Hopefully something we said resonated. I hope if you're a
hip hop artist, I hope you listening.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
It's time for you.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
If you're a dope hip hop artist, right now the
time for real music. People are looking for those type
of individuals and they're looking for you. So make some
good music. I'm not gonna always be right to meek
A demas salaries and I could always be wrong. We
will both always and I mean always, be authentic peace.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
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