August 27, 2025 • 51 mins
In this episode of TMI with Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne, they dive into this week's topics. They start with an in-depth discussion on Invest Fest, giving kudos to its founders and exploring how the event has become a hub for conversations on financial freedom, social justice, and communal growth. The duo then transitions to the controversial Target boycott, dissecting its implications and the recent changes in Target's diversity, equity, and inclusion policies. They also tackle the role of black Trump supporters and the risks they pose to their own communities. The episode wraps up with thoughts on Trump's deployment of the National Guard to predominantly black cities and the broader impact of over-policing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it's your boy my son in general.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are your host of t M I.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Inspiration name New Energy Herry.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What's going on? Timika D.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Mallory?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How are you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
All as well? All as well?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm Black, blessed in hall favored. But one more day
at the top.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I hear that what's going on in the world so much,
so much.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's always something shut out.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I'm gonna shout down to invest FST for having a
shut down to a Shad and Troy, but having the
same invest fits this year.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It was a dope conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, it what's good. Also on their team is Matthew
and Ian and you.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Know, they really have built something that I'm very proud
of them, very proud of what they've been able to accomplish.
They obviously have of something that there's a real desire.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
For it in the community.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And they went with like what God put on them
as a calling and it's and they're walking in it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And that's a beautiful thing to see.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So many black people gathered to hear from different types
of people.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You know, I've attend. I attended invest Fest I think once.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Before, and I kind of feel like there was a
It was heavy on investment, financial freedom, things like that,
good stuff. And this time I noticed that, you know,
they had Angela Raie and the Native Lamppod, Tiffany and
Andrew Gillam, and I think they interviewed Jamal Bryant. I
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believe Ben Krump was there. I think I saw him
on the promotion. And then of course Magic Johnson and
then us and then all these different types of people
traded truth and so they clearly have figured out that
investmentest is a hub for all the different elements of
the movement and you know, and I think it's it's
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pretty powerful. And like I said, I'm proud to have
been a part of it, but also proud.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
To just watch them grow.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, just watching them.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I remember the first time they interviewed me, like right
after the pandemic, and it was just just seeing them grow,
and you know, I knew, I knew then that they
had something that was you know, powerful because it was
a space that not a lot of other people had
you know, had ventured into, and they were really passionate
about it. So just watching the growth over the years
and seeing them be very intentional, and that's that's what
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success is. And I think that's what you learn in
investmentst It's about persistence and being intention you know, everyone
who I've heard speak at investvest has always talked about
how they was persistent and how you know, it wasn't
always going their way or how they wanted it to go,
but they were persistent and they believed in what they did,
and you know, and then they started to reap the
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benefits of it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. So it was great.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think we got an opportunity to have a conversation that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I know that I attempted to. I think all of
us did.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Shout out to Angelo, who really did a great job
on the panel of just kind of helping to center
people back into this idea that the war against black
folks has never ended, and there's not even with the
success that we have achieved some of us, we still
as a people as a whole, have been under the
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attack of so many different systems and of racism and oppression.
It's all still continued, you know, from the beginning all
the way to now. And so and when I say
at the beginning we're talking about. You know, from the
time that we set foot on these shores, we have
been dealing with an attack against our black list, and
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I think that was good. And then the other part
of it was just having the conversation around you know,
how we keep constant contact, if you will, with the
idea that our money, our politics, and the social justice
issues of our communities are all three connected. It's not
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separate things, because you know, you can make a lot
of money and then find yourself in a situation where
you need political support in order to keep it or
in order to increase it, or you you know, look
at the Fears's fun. These are black women who acquired
a lot of money, you know, resources, and they went
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to just try to help their own community by identifying
black women who needed support in their startups and their
businesses and sustaining their businesses. And the next thing, you know,
there was a political assault against them.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And in order to.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Get that lawsuit off of the Fear is Fine, which
you know, eventually it was dismissed, but it was dismissed
with an understanding that they could not continue doing the
work the same way that they had been doing it before.
So they cannot have a strictly black focus or black
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women focused fund, which is horrific.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That is a big loss.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Even though the lawsuit was dropped, which means that all
the money that they were spending on lawyers and you know,
the stress of being going back and forth to court,
all of that ended.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But the win for the.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Other side is that they were able to change the
business model for this particular network that was doing so
much good for Black women on businesses. And you know,
and I know that, Arion, she would say, Arian Simone,
she would say if she was in this conversation that
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it wasn't just the legal strategy that helped them to
get out of that lawsuit. They also needed the movement
to rise up for them, you know, and I know
we were a part of it, and many others stood
with them and helped them to fight alongside their lawyers. So,
you know, the three sixty view, the holistic view, if
you will, is what I think Investments did a good
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job of displaying. And you know, I know they're going
to keep going and do even greater things.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, they definitely did.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, when you speak about the holistic approach to
how we fight, that's one of the main things that
we did focus on during that pending on I've seen
people were engaged in that part because a lot of
times that's not talked about.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It it's separate.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Oh you either got money or your activists or your politics.
All of those things are intertwined. And if you don't
understand that, then we can't win. So, you know, I
appreciate them for acknowledging that, you know, civil rights and
leaders that fight for civil rights have a place when
it talks about investing, and also we talk about finances
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and resources.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So investing in our communities in many ways.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So one of the questions that we answered, you know,
I had to talk about quite a bit and shout
out to our sister, Selena Hill. She I want to say,
our young sister, little sister. And while she may be
that in terms of her little frame, she certainly is
becoming big Selena Hill.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And in many ways it's already big Selena Hill.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
This is a young woman who is a I think
she's a political court deponent, but it may be a
different title that she has. At Black Enterprise, which is
Black Enterprise is one of the oldest, most you know,
well sustained publications for black business in the entire country.
Shout out Stain's family who's kept that magazine going through
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many trials and tribulations. Again, the attack on black businesses.
They have been under it many many times. The father
started the son, Butch Graves is now there and in
fact that his father, Earl Graves Senior.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I used to spend a lot.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Of time with him, you know, when I was much
younger and he was just, you know, a part of
the movement to these are people who understood what we
were just saying that there had to be a connection
between business politics and the and social justice movements, the
civil rights movement. And so I used to spend a
lot of time listening to mister Graves talk about building
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business for also supporting community.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And now his son is doing that.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And Selena is one of the incredible voices there that
has been empowered within black enterprise to.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Do major things.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I mean, she gets they don't give her little kid interviews,
you know, they give her big interviews, solid conversations, and
they really put her at the forefront of the publication.
And so she moderated our discussion and one of the
topics that came up was target the target boycott, and
she asked the question that so many people to questions.
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The first thing was is this move with the CEO
within Target?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Is that? And is it a win? Is it a
victory for the fight?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And then the other question she asked is why so
much focus on Target, because you know so many people say,
you know, why don't you move on to another company?
And people have even said, but Target is they are
telling everybody that they can tell. Particularly I hear it
when speaking to vendors, people who have products in Target,
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and I also hear when I am speaking to other
people that they have met with, and even some of
their executives will say, but they have not abandoned their diversity,
equity and inclusion principles.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
They just had to change the name because of.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Donald Trump's executive And you know, of course we've talked
about it a million times on this show that we
don't accept that because we know there are other companies
who have refused to cower to Donald Trump's desire to
be a white supremacist. We know that there are other
people who are other corporations like Delta, like Sephora, like
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American Airlines, and the list goes on and on and
By the way, I'm not suggesting that all of these
businesses are perfect either, because you know, to get into
some of the things happening that these other businesses, even Alta,
which is a beauty company that is still a partner
with Target, who has decided to maintain and not only maintain,
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but they have said they are doubling down on their diversity,
equity and inclusion principles and that it is a part
of the fabric, the moral fiber of their company. They
have said that, and they in their partnership with Target,
they have they are separating begin in twenty twenty six.
But of course they did not tell us why, other
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than to say that the companies are going into different directions.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
But the writing is on the wall.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And so she was asking about the CEO stepping aside,
and I think we talked about sort of the shell
game that we see happening, but then still being able
to find the victory in the midst of the shell game.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You know, you could talk about it, or that I'm
not the only one going on about it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I mean, listen, you pretty much you know more about
the Target.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You know, I've got into the Target boycott based on
you and our brothers and sisters, Jamail and Nina. But
this is your thing. So I love it when you
explain it because you explain it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
To the t.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, yeah, so you know.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I you know, first of all, in that same conversation
that I have with so many people, and I see
it in my comments people who have fake prof files,
people are real profiles where they say, well, Target is
still committed to their principles and we should you know,
they're still supporting black businesses and they say, you know,
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their new Bosey program is really strong, it's really serious.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
They are committed to diversity.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Again, however, they just have to change the name so
that they're not under attacked by Donald Trump and his administration.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, first of.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
All, when you give a million dollars, are you saying
that you also invested a million dollars in Donald Trump's
his inauguration? I think, but his political campaign? Did you
invest that also because you were trying not to be
targeted pun intended? Then we turn around and within days
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this wasn't something I noticed that other corporations. They deliberated
for a while before they made the decision to announce
that they were pulling their DEI initiatives. Now I don't
agree with those companies. I'm just saying there was a
process that you can tell they went through, probably talking
to the lawyers, looking at their funding, whether or not
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they're getting anything from the federal government, and trying to
make a decision what was the best path for them
to take. And I'm sure there was some pressure and
other things that they went through, and then those people,
those companies made a decision. Target was within days. It
was literally maybe seventy two hours, maybe even less than
that before they made a very quick decision that they
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were pulling their DEI initiatives. So that is also another example.
But then folks say, again, they're committed to their principles.
They told us, they're showing us they're still given donations
and showing up in black spaces. So if that in
fact is the case, why played the shell of moving
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the CEO into another position on the board and identifying
another person within the company and elevating him who happens
to be.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
A white man.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Why not choose a woman of color, a black woman,
or some other person of color to.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Lead the company.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
If you're so committed to your diversity, equity and inclusion, principles.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
They did not do that because they are committed to standing.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
With Donald Trump. And we all know who Donald Trump is,
and so when people push back on me. You know,
I listened to an interview that one of our sisters
did and she said, you know, I feel like we
found out about the boycott. It was a Tabitha Brown
and she was doing the Earn Your Leisure podcast and
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she was saying that it felt very disheartening to her
that she found out about the boycott and the DEI
of removal at Target at the same time. She said
that that just it was it's just so disheartening that
both things happened at once. And I you know, I
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love me some Tabitha Brown. Nobody's ever going to be
able to make me unlove her, and so I know
what she's saying. She is saying also understanding the point
of the boycott, She said that she understands the movement,
she gets all of that.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
But my thought on it is that we all.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Have found ourselves in the midst of a situation that
we're responding to because of a literal crime that is
happening against Black America. Right. And so, as I say
constantly when miss Anne and my mama, and you know,
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missus Joe and whomever said that they were boycott and target.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Target didn't give us time.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
They didn't even give the companies that are supposed to
be their partners time to understand that they were making
a move that was going to impact them. And so
people have responded to something that happened to our communities.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
We did not cruse Target.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Target chose this fight, and we responded to it not
to harm black businesses, but to protect black people, which
is very different when you think about, yes, there are businesses,
a few businesses that need to be protected also, but
the black bodies that are in those businesses become a
part of the whole, and the whole is under attack
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in so many ways at this point in time. And
so you know, it breaks my heart that everything that
happens within our communities, whether we're responding to white supremacy,
whether we are fighting back against something, it still pauses
a little little whether they say a twin a little
bit of a division between our people. But I can
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tell you that the whole purpose of what we have
been doing with the Target boycott is to say that somebody,
somebody has to pay for the disrespect and the literal criminal,
criminal actions that are happening against our people. And that's
where we stand. So you know, the boycott continues. Some
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people will say that they've gone back to Target or
that they never left, and that's fine because we'll never
be able to get everybody on the same page. But
for some of us, we've decided to stand for something,
and I pray and hope that as time goes on,
we can find a solution to the partnerships that black
businesses had that are suffering. For now, people are buying direct,
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but for companies that you can't buy direct from, absolutely
we as a community, and I'm sure that at Investments
they covered what does it look like to secure you know,
those those those brands, those businesses, so that we don't
have a situation in the future, as you said on
the panel, when they can pull a carpet from underneath
us with the stroke of a pen. So it's a
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long way of saying a whole lot, but I thought
it was important to just, you know, you give a
synopsis on this show about where we stand on the
Target boycott.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Shout out to Jamo Bryant because there was a video
that he posted with Rick Ross inside Target.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't know if it was daughter girl.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I don't know who it was that he was inside
Target with, but he was talking about he's in targeting.
They were going through and Jamo just you know, informed
him that black people with boycotting Target, you know, and
it's needed to know. So Ross, men, black people boycott Target,
they don't respect us, they don't need our money. You
got a bunch of black businesses that you can go
support or people that actually value us. So go to
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one of those and spend your money with the people
that respect us and value us.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Amen. Amen, Amen.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Let me get to my thought of the day and
go kind of quickly on this. There was a story
that I saw last week about an Airbnb host and
how they charged a family sixteen thousand dollars damages that
they created with AI photos. So they created AI photos
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that showed damages in an Airbnb space and.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
They charged sixteen thousand dollars that Airbnb.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
After doing their investigation, they went back and you know,
they refunded all of the money to this person. On
these people, And when I saw the article, it just
reminded me of the trauma that I had experienced with Airbnb,
and the fact that I went through something with Airbnb
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that for some people may think is small.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
But it is. It was an issue.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
That as I went through the changes, I talked to
people who I know that work at Airbnb. I was
back and forth in communication online with.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
A real person.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
At first it started out automated, and then it became
a real person who was dealing with my issue with
an Airbnb host. And in the end, they did not
solve the problem. They did not solve the problem. And
so my thought of the day around Airbnb is who
is the boss and at what point are we as
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people who are consumers who support Airbnb going to say
that enough infractions have taken place, enough people had either
been disrespected, overcharged, lied on, mistreated, you know, even privacy
issues before we start calling Airbnb to the carpet to
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tell them that there has to be some changes to
their business and it has to be respectful communities. Because
this is not just black folks, this is across all racists,
all groups of people. We see that there are constantly
issues with Airbnb. Now my situation just for people who
want to know when I checked into an Airbnb, maybe
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this must have been about two years ago, because I
don't really use them anymore unless it's in a place
where I have no other choice. I checked into an Airbnb,
and when I arrived, they give you a certain amount
of people that you can have in the place in
this space, and so I think we had four people
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who could be in the airbnb at any one time.
My driver would have been the fifth person who came
to help with the bags, groceries and everything else. When
we got to the airbnb. He was there probably four
or five minutes, and he left immediately later down the
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line Airbnb, somehow we got into a conversation about me
having an additional person in the place, of which I
said to them this additional person was my driver, who
was there for just a few moments. But because we
were in a dispute about something else and I can't remember,
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I'm gonna go back and read the actual comments. It
wasn't anything that I did, because when they wrote their
review about their experience with me, they said she didn't
harm the place, nothing bad happened, but she had additional
people then what was allowed in the place, and she
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was hard to get in touch with. Now I'm going
back and forth with them saying, this person was there
for less than five minutes, they dropped some bags in
the place, never washed their hands, didn't go to the
bathroom or anything, and turned right back out.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And after some back and.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Forth where they admitted this, the host admitted, yes, it was,
it was for a short period of time, but nonetheless,
you you know, still had too many people in the place,
and I'm like, this is this is not accurate. We
went back and forth, back and forth. The conversation became
very hostile. When I went to Airbnb their position even
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though they read it, and they also acknowledged to me
that it was clear that I did not have anyone
else staying or even chilling out for a little while,
or even using the bathroom in the apartment, they said
to me, well, you know, we can't do anything about
the comment that this person just rating that they've left
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on your name because that was their experience, even though
their experience wasn't true. Airbnb would refuse and said that
they were unable to fix this. Now I have it
all in writing for anybody who wants to see it,
who may think, you know whatever, Oh, in fact, that's
what the dispute was. When I checked out they made
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these comments and the comment was no problems with the place,
Everything was good. However, there were additional people in the space,
which was not true. So through all of this back
and forth, calling executives being on and writing back and
forth for two weeks, with people talking back and forth
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having a massive argument with the hosts, they were unwilling
to change on my rating something that was a bold
faced lie. It was not true, and Airbnb was able
to keep it there because their policy is that the
as the company, they can't change what the whost says
about their experience, even when they got screenshots and knew
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that everything was a lie. Now we see this happening
where a person was charged sixteen thousand dollars in damages
that was AI generated. That tells me that Airbnb has
some serious issues with their policies.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
From what people are able to.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Comment and rate about a visitor or a patron all
the way up to the lies that are being told
in more substantial ways about damages and other things.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
So that's not the other the day today.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Who is the boss at Airbnb and at what point
are we all going to come together and say enough,
that's enough with all the infractions that this company is
pausing and doing two people who are supporting their multi
billion dollar company probably at this time.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, I remember that time.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
You just pissed off about that and he was going
back and forth, and it was one of the things
that you just was not.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Going to let up on.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
You kept writing back and you went and it was
crazy because they literally, I remember they literally admitted that
you didn't have nobody else there, but they couldn't. So
you you get to dammage someone's reputation, you know, because
that's actually when when you go for Airbnb, they look
at those those areas. So so when somebody puts that
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there and you can dispute it and they they don't,
they don't have to take it down, that's crazy. That's
just like, you know, that's defamation and character. Actually that's
a that's a defamation suit because those things go on
your jacket into being able to apply. So I don't
understand how they have a policy to where they don't
even they're not even able to change something that they
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know is wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
That they have evidence of and they admitted it. So
it is what it is. Let's go on to the TMN.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So for TMI today, Right, everybody knows that, oh, not
your Donny is sending the National Guard into He sent
the National Guard into DC. He's threatened to send him
into Chicago. He's threatened to send them to Baltimore. And
you know there's actually which I don't even understand how
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that's actually an argument right on whether it makes sense
to do it or doesn't. Is he doing too much
or not by sending in the National Guard to Chicago?
Is that too much? Is to sending the National Guard
to DC? Too much? I know, for me, I don't
want to see the National Guard in the streets.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I don't think I'm gonna feel safe when I see
people in dressed up in uniforms with guns and shit
on the corners. I don't know how people feel like
that makes things safe. Instead of sending resources right, instead
of making sure that the kids education is right, instead
of making sure that they have programs to where they
are able to be taught about jobs and AI and
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they have actual opportunities, we invested into more police in
over police and our communities when the stats show that
it doesn't work, that more police does not prevent crime.
What prevents crime as opportunities and resources to these children
who are actually are committing the crime. So I don't
understand why people don't see that when the numbers of
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playing there's no disparity. Where there's poverty, there's crime. Where
there's lack of resources, there's crime. When you give resources.
You know, when you go to the most affluent communities,
they don't have police.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
The safest communities in the world don't have policing.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
So that just goes to show you that it's not
the police that's making the community safe. What's making the
community safe is that the community is thriving and they
have actual opportunities to do things, and they don't have to.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Stand on the corner.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
They don't have to figure out how they're going to survive,
and it actually be educated properly, and they have teachers
inside the schools that actually want to educate instead of suspicion,
and they have mental health situation, mental health programs and
facilities people people to cultivate and deal with traumas and
whatever it is that they're down.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's not just policing, it's militarized communities right where they're
bringing military in troops that are supposed to fight wars
and basically declaring that our communities are war zones. Shootings
are happening and very serious stuff. I mean, there is
an issue that I see on the rise across the
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nation where black women are being shot and killed by
their boyfriends or domestic partners or men. And we know
that New Jersey has really been focused a lot on
domestic violence as being one of their highest violent crimes
or violent issues in their.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
City, and so we know that there are some trends.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Now we also understand that the numbers show that violence
is down more in these places since COVID because after
the pandemic, violence was crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
People we already know the things.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Schools were closed, programs were closed, people didn't have.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Resources, folks lost their jobs.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
There was a lot happening during the pandemic that suppressed
and harmed our communities in very very serious ways. And
so now as as the years have gone by, we've
watched mayors, many of them black mayors, invest into violence
prevention and programs and education and all the things that
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you name to try to deal with curbing and turning
the tide on violence and violent crimes in their communities.
And it has been working, but it is not something
that will work overnight. And with the federal government saying
that they are going to pull money from the communities
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that you know, from violence prevention programs and criminal justice
reform programs and other things that we know actually worked,
mental health support, addiction prevention, they are pulling money from
those types of programs and necessary things within our community,
and now they want to bring in troops. Anybody who
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doesn't understand what's happening here is that they don't care
about the community. They just want to be able to
lock folks up and send them away. It is another
example of the crime build in the nineties. It is
another example of the use of the term super predators
to describe.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Young black men.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It is another opportunity to incarcerate our people without getting
to the bottom of what our issues. Because if we
have black women, and it's more than black women, because
we know personally of a young woman who was killed
by her boyfriend or her a partner, a former partner,
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we know, and she was not black, she was I
think she might be Mexican or Latina, and so we
know that when we see a trend like this, something
else is happening with the emotional intelligence of our men,
of young black men, we know that they are not
criminals by a nature, but more so by design.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And we also know because there are studies that.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Show to your point, just putting more militarized policing in
the community does not solve the problem.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You will lock some people away and.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The next day, you know, another person with another type
of problem will become an issue.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It does not solve the problem.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
What it does is pretty much put us in a
society where we are living based upon fear, fear mongering,
and where we are criminalized and labeled as dangerous individuals,
which translates into employment because you can't not have black
women work in Also, you know, not want to have
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programs specifically designed to address the needs of black and
brown people and then at the same time say we're
gonna fill up all the jails.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It doesn't go together.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's disingenuous and anybody who has common sense should be
able to look at this and see. But I will say,
as you have said in your TMI, there are some
people who think that seventeen hundred troops going into DC
and Chicago and other places, that that's a good thing.
They just like they thought it was a good thing
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to lock up a bunch of black men in the nineties,
or what the crack cocaine issues.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And then later on we'll come back and say our
communities were destroyed.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And see what I keep saying, I really don't have
the understanding of anybody who was so angry with the crime.
And what I explained to everybody, the crimevill was response
to what was happening in the crack communities. Crack was
destroying the communities, right, And they say due our mother's
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one of the grandmothers was like, we need to get
these people off the street.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
This was the truth.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
But when we look we realized it didn't help our communities.
So this is a response to crime. So if you're
sending these national guards and you over police in our communities,
you're gonna lock up our people, will higher rates. And
now Donald Trump is signed executive orders that eliminate me
to make sure that there's no more cash.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
This baill that's gonna effect our people. It's cash. This
bill doesn't mean you didn't do the crime.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It means if you can't pay to get out, then
you sit in jail. Right, So somebody might have commited
shunned somebody, and because they have money and able to
pay to get out, more than likely our people as
the ones that don't.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Have the money to get out.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
So we have a khalif broader situation where you steal
a book bag, will you get into a fight or something,
and you sit in jail for two and three years
because you can't pay the bail, not because you've done
a crime that you be in jail for that amount
of time, but you can't pay the bill. It's a
racist structure. It's a racist system. And when you talk
about sending the National Guard into black communities into states
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that are controlled by black man's will, ultimately means the
population of blacks is overwhelming, you know who is going
to be targeted. So this is just a reality. So
if we are trying to really have comprehensive and real
intentional steps toward ending crime in our communities, we have
to look at the root of what crime is. The
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rule of crime is poverty. The rule of crime is
miseducational under education. The rule of crime is you know,
starvation and food deserts like these are the roots of crimes.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So if we really trying to stop probing.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
If Donald Trump was really intentional about styber crime, he
would make sure those communities have resources. But he's not
intentional about styber crime, and he won't make sure those
communities have resources. You know why because if he was
intentional about stopping real crime, he would go into Mississippi,
right in Jackson where they got the higher rates.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But you know why they won't go there.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Because it's Republican governors. Did you know he would go
into Tennessee. You know why they're gonna go in there
because they have white governors. What's Virginia like Ohio, like
places that we know that the crime rates far exceed
the murder rates far exceed in these people, the people
that he point out that just happened to be black
governors and mens, Oh, they just happen. No, No, it's
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not by happenstas. This is an intentional attack on black communities.
And if you don't see it, I don't know what
to tell you. But I'm just trying to say. And
if you're a black person and I understand you want
crime to stop. I know we've been hearing about Chicago
and we see it all the time, but I want
to make you do your due diligence study, look at
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the rates, look at what causes crimes, look at what's
missing from those communities, and understand that if you got
a budget in Chicago, have a two billion dollar budget.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
For police, and it's amore raising it.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
If you if you took one, if you took one
one hundred for this and put it into the community,
give these kids opportunities to win. It not on the
corners right, and they have real opportunities to do things.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
You will see the change.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
So you know, I hate that our people have brought
into this white supremacy notion that police make us say
no when we feel safe, when we have the things
and we're not we're not living well, while we're not
just destitute in our communities and we're not stressed out
all the time.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Then we'll see.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
But I think he should send the troops into the NRA,
the Smith and Wesson, Glock, all of the companies that
are allowing their guns to make it on the street
to our youth, and then you know, we could talk
about sign it's fair game if you're willing to actually
put some regulations around the people who sell the guns.
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Because the black folks are definitely not making them, that's right.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
So that brings me to my I don't get it
as we talk about Trump deploying the National Guard into
cities that are majority black, I really don't get how
you can be a black Trump supporter like at this point.
And you know what's so crazy to me? Right, let
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me try. I'm gonna put up this this this thing
that I was looking at that made me laugh. Right,
what's so crazy to me is that they have this
new thing called Trump derangement syndrome. And everybody who doesn't
like Trump, they say, is deranged. And so that's half.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Of the world, more than half the world who's protesting
them every day. We all have Trump derangements.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
But for me, there's this narrative, right, and although it's true, right,
there's this narrative that a lot of them have used.
I've heard Candice someone said, Barbra Donald's you know who else?
You you name it, They've said it the black people
who support Trump, and they try to justify racism, and
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they try to justify slavery.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
And I've heard.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Them say, well, you do know that black people own slaves, right,
and you do know that black people sold their own
people into slavery. And I want them to know that
I am one hundred percent short. And I want them
also to know that they are the type of black
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people that sold us to the slavery. They are exactly
the type of black people that had slaves. We know,
y'all exist, we all, we know their own.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Skin folk a kIPS.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
So when y'all say that like it's a flex, you're
talking about you. You are the ones who brought into
the white supremacist talking points, who get up on these
white stages and tell us how black people ain't shit,
how we killed more than everybody, how we under educated,
how we don't understand this, and how white people have
been and when you look at the places where white people.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Are governing, these things are happening.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
The one who parrot that bullshit, y'all the ones.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Who believed that. So it was no problem for your
type to sell our own their own people into slavery.
It was no problem for your type to enslave their own.
You don't have any empathy, You didn't feel any connection
to another black man that you've seen being humiliated in
just desecrated you. That you had no feeling because you
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wanted to be adjacent to whiteness. It was your type,
it was your your ancestors. You have the bloodline of
those who enslaved their own people. You have the bloodline
who sold their own people. When you talk about the
bottom of Donalds, candish all of y'all, y'all heard the warns.
We know Tim Scott, we know Tim would sell a
black man Upper River.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
In two seconds.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
And it's just crazy to me that they use that
talk a point like they saying some slick. You're not
saying some slick. You're talking about yourself. You're you're describing
the exact type of black person that you are every
time you point that out. So I'm confused why they
think they said something slick to us when they say
it like they got aha moment here, you right, wold
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black people. It was a good black people solely. Oh yes,
y'all eyes, You and your type was the ones we
had to worry about more than we even had to
worry about Mass, because y'all hurt every time Massive, every
time Massive was home, we were hungry. We hurt, were hungry.
Boss y'all, the yes, the bosses. So that's that's that's
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what I want to say. I just want to know.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I don't know why they don't know that they talking
about this. Well.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You know, also, I think what you just said is true.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
And it's sad actually, but I think that and and
and it's not just the Byron Donald's and the people
you named, it's also people in corporations, people in institutions,
educational institutions. We've always dealt with the Nigro who wanted
to be more aligned and attached to the white folks
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and their own people, and it has been in many
ways a crippling factor in our communities. You know, we
think about somebody who's in a very powerful position, and
that is a Supreme Court justice, what's his name, Chris Thomas.
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. This is somebody who's in
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a very powerful position, who who loves his white wife
and her MAGA alignment, and they've been MAGA before MAGA
was the thing.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Then he does his own people and he's proud of it.
And so it's scary because it's not like a jewel.
These are people put our lives in literal danger every
single day.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
And I feel like, you know, we also are always.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Required to state the history properly, even when we're pointing
out something important.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
So it's important to point out what you said.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
But it's also important to point out that some of
our people who were involved in the slave trade were
forced to do so, and there was a fear that
they had because wanting some of them were tricked, and
then after coming about it there being tricked, they were
afraid for their own lives and for their families. They
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were threatened that everybody in their bloodline would be slaughtered,
especially if their children, wives, or whomever was there in
the midst of the entrapment and the kidnapping that was happening, and.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
So people had to deal with that.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
But there were definitely some who saw it as a
way to separate themselves and to become the house negro
or to become the slave catcher gave them some reprieve
from having to be the court and the enslaved and whatever.
What they all found out though, in the end, was
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that the white men didn't love them like they didn't
love the rest of us, and they ended up.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Every single one of them.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
I don't know anybody history that we read or learn about,
or the stories that are told to us by our
elders that someone who thought they were so and so
look look at that Byron Donalds don't even.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Have a job in the administration. He doesn't.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
There is no maybe I think there's one now black
person who's in the administration.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Over they always said the token the hood.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
There's not even a black person that is even a
token black, even a whitewashed black person is not within
the Donald Trump administration. And you got to ask yourself why,
or maybe you don't because maybe you feel like that's
not important because white people are smarter. I mean, we
saw can't just only say a whole thing about how
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she was concerned whenever she saw a person of color
flying a plane because she wondered what they there for
DEI And they weren't actually qualified to have that position,
which is the craziest. I've never heard of an unqualified pilot.
That's never been something because it is so the rigorous
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training that they go through and then the work that
they have to do to prove that they can actually
fly a plane is so rigorous. And to think that
a black woman would believe that you see a black
woman or a black person or a brown person in
a what is it called the cockpit that they are
only there because of a diversity equity and inclusion program.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
That's really scary to me.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
But you know what the thing is, you know, you
know what I would say.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
I wouldn't say that she was wrong because but the
thing is the weaponization of wood. Diversity equity inclusion actually
stands for right because they probably would not let no
black pilots in there if they didn't have to choose
from the top pilots in the world that were black, Right,
if they because they had to choose from the top
of the litter. They didn't just get put in there
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because they were black, No, they was they understood that
you know what, if we don't put in diversity, equity
inclusion to make sure that the qualified, the overqualified black
people get in positions that they actually owned and deserved,
then they won't beat it.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
And that's what the white washing is.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
So when they say that they want to they want
to make the term diversity equity inclusion is something bad
when it was never anything bad, When it always was
something that made sure that there was diversity inside of
the place, there was equity, that everyone had equality, the
equal person had an equal opportunity and there was inclusion
and everyone was included within the corporation.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
So yeah, when she said there.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Was d I'm almost sure it probably was DR because
d I actually made the opportunity for blacks who will
overqualified get the jobs that they deserved her years ago.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
And right because the I won't we say that, we
speak of that term, but really DEI isn't just DEI.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
It is a firm action. It is the fight for equality.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
And whether or not it has always been used properly
or benefited all of us, we already know. We can
sit here and argue about the stats and all of
that all day long, but the point of diversity, equity,
and inclusion is what you're talking about. That it had
to be done because without it, we would just see
white people.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
And I guess people believe that only white people can
fly planes.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
So I mean they believe whatever they they believe what
they've been taught to believe. And it's so it's disheartening
that you have people that look like you that have
come from the lineage and understand and actually have went
through what you went through. All of these all of
these people who have gone bad, as I say, they
they haven't just grown up white washed in white community.
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Some of them actually come from communities that we've come from.
And I think in the rush and the need to
feel like they matter, they wanted to become white adjacent
and they wanted to.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Have acceptances to whites.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
These be the same ones that go and tell black
jokes around the white friends, you know, because they wanted
to be accepted. And it's really just sad, man, you know,
shout out to a man the sales. I don't know
if we talked. We didn't talk about it. Last week,
I was watching her jubilee and just sitting there talking
to those black conservatives as you call them.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
It was just disheartening, you know. And she had.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Energy the temperance that I would never have, you know,
to educate, to actually sit there and educate people who
were just spewing foolishness, you know. And I think that's
what made me really just sit there and think about that.
I was listening to young boy. He was just talking
about all the things how black people are killing. It's like,
you don't even know what you're talking about. You don't
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even understand what systemic racism or white supremacy is. You
don't even understand what the termament is, he said. He said,
there was actually no such thing as white, that it
didn't exist. You know, So when you have black people
who have been taught that, it's very dangerous because those
are the ones that they prop up and put in
positions to try to speak to us and try to
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feel like they have some level of connection to us
when they don't even identify or realize.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Who we are, noting else to be said, You're right,
I shout out to Amanda.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
You know, she's great, she's amazing, she's smart. She's so smart.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
You can't even there's nothing you could do to deny
that woman, no matter what they do. And I'm so
glad that her performance there, you know, is before the
world that people are having to talk about how well
she didn't. I don't like the platform. I wouldn't participate
in it. I probably, like you said, wouldn't even do
a good job because I don't even have the temperament
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to handle that. But that is that is Amanda's space,
Like that's what she thrives in, being able to challenge
ideas and concepts back and forth, and she actually thrives there.
I mean, and you can see it. Even though she
might have been frustrated. She had to, you know a
few times like let them know, like I'm also hooded,
you know what I'm saying, So.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
She had to do that.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
But for the most part, her performance is exactly what
I expected.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
And if there has.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
To be a jubileeue whatever that means, because I don't
even see how they're using that term jubilee or that
pro platform. But if there has to be a space
like that, Amantha is a perfect person to sit there
and to educate those people.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
That's what she did the shout out to her. So
that brings us to the end of another episode, wonderful
episode of TMI. I'm not gonna always be right Tamika
d marriages and that gonna always be wrong both always
and I mean always be wanked it.
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What's going on? Timika D.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Mallory?
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How are you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
All as well? All as well?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm Black, blessed in hall favored. But one more day
at the top.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I hear that what's going on in the world so much,
so much.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's always something shut out.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I'm gonna shout down to invest FST for having a
shut down to a Shad and Troy, but having the
same invest fits this year.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It was a dope conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, it what's good. Also on their team is Matthew
and Ian and you.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Know, they really have built something that I'm very proud
of them, very proud of what they've been able to accomplish.
They obviously have of something that there's a real desire.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
For it in the community.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And they went with like what God put on them
as a calling and it's and they're walking in it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And that's a beautiful thing to see.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So many black people gathered to hear from different types
of people.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You know, I've attend. I attended invest Fest I think once.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Before, and I kind of feel like there was a
It was heavy on investment, financial freedom, things like that,
good stuff. And this time I noticed that, you know,
they had Angela Raie and the Native Lamppod, Tiffany and
Andrew Gillam, and I think they interviewed Jamal Bryant. I
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believe Ben Krump was there. I think I saw him
on the promotion. And then of course Magic Johnson and
then us and then all these different types of people
traded truth and so they clearly have figured out that
investmentest is a hub for all the different elements of
the movement and you know, and I think it's it's
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pretty powerful. And like I said, I'm proud to have
been a part of it, but also proud.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
To just watch them grow.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, just watching them.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I remember the first time they interviewed me, like right
after the pandemic, and it was just just seeing them grow,
and you know, I knew, I knew then that they
had something that was you know, powerful because it was
a space that not a lot of other people had
you know, had ventured into, and they were really passionate
about it. So just watching the growth over the years
and seeing them be very intentional, and that's that's what
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success is. And I think that's what you learn in
investmentst It's about persistence and being intention you know, everyone
who I've heard speak at investvest has always talked about
how they was persistent and how you know, it wasn't
always going their way or how they wanted it to go,
but they were persistent and they believed in what they did,
and you know, and then they started to reap the
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benefits of it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. So it was great.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think we got an opportunity to have a conversation that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I know that I attempted to. I think all of
us did.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Shout out to Angelo, who really did a great job
on the panel of just kind of helping to center
people back into this idea that the war against black
folks has never ended, and there's not even with the
success that we have achieved some of us, we still
as a people as a whole, have been under the
(03:30):
attack of so many different systems and of racism and oppression.
It's all still continued, you know, from the beginning all
the way to now. And so and when I say
at the beginning we're talking about. You know, from the
time that we set foot on these shores, we have
been dealing with an attack against our black list, and
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I think that was good. And then the other part
of it was just having the conversation around you know,
how we keep constant contact, if you will, with the
idea that our money, our politics, and the social justice
issues of our communities are all three connected. It's not
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separate things, because you know, you can make a lot
of money and then find yourself in a situation where
you need political support in order to keep it or
in order to increase it, or you you know, look
at the Fears's fun. These are black women who acquired
a lot of money, you know, resources, and they went
(04:36):
to just try to help their own community by identifying
black women who needed support in their startups and their
businesses and sustaining their businesses. And the next thing, you know,
there was a political assault against them.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And in order to.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Get that lawsuit off of the Fear is Fine, which
you know, eventually it was dismissed, but it was dismissed
with an understanding that they could not continue doing the
work the same way that they had been doing it before.
So they cannot have a strictly black focus or black
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women focused fund, which is horrific.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That is a big loss.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Even though the lawsuit was dropped, which means that all
the money that they were spending on lawyers and you know,
the stress of being going back and forth to court,
all of that ended.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But the win for the.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Other side is that they were able to change the
business model for this particular network that was doing so
much good for Black women on businesses. And you know,
and I know that, Arion, she would say, Arian Simone,
she would say if she was in this conversation that
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it wasn't just the legal strategy that helped them to
get out of that lawsuit. They also needed the movement
to rise up for them, you know, and I know
we were a part of it, and many others stood
with them and helped them to fight alongside their lawyers. So,
you know, the three sixty view, the holistic view, if
you will, is what I think Investments did a good
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job of displaying. And you know, I know they're going
to keep going and do even greater things.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, they definitely did.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, when you speak about the holistic approach to
how we fight, that's one of the main things that
we did focus on during that pending on I've seen
people were engaged in that part because a lot of
times that's not talked about.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It it's separate.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Oh you either got money or your activists or your politics.
All of those things are intertwined. And if you don't
understand that, then we can't win. So, you know, I
appreciate them for acknowledging that, you know, civil rights and
leaders that fight for civil rights have a place when
it talks about investing, and also we talk about finances
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and resources.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So investing in our communities in many ways.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So one of the questions that we answered, you know,
I had to talk about quite a bit and shout
out to our sister, Selena Hill. She I want to say,
our young sister, little sister. And while she may be
that in terms of her little frame, she certainly is
becoming big Selena Hill.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And in many ways it's already big Selena Hill.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
This is a young woman who is a I think
she's a political court deponent, but it may be a
different title that she has. At Black Enterprise, which is
Black Enterprise is one of the oldest, most you know,
well sustained publications for black business in the entire country.
Shout out Stain's family who's kept that magazine going through
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many trials and tribulations. Again, the attack on black businesses.
They have been under it many many times. The father
started the son, Butch Graves is now there and in
fact that his father, Earl Graves Senior.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I used to spend a lot.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Of time with him, you know, when I was much
younger and he was just, you know, a part of
the movement to these are people who understood what we
were just saying that there had to be a connection
between business politics and the and social justice movements, the
civil rights movement. And so I used to spend a
lot of time listening to mister Graves talk about building
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business for also supporting community.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And now his son is doing that.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And Selena is one of the incredible voices there that
has been empowered within black enterprise to.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Do major things.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I mean, she gets they don't give her little kid interviews,
you know, they give her big interviews, solid conversations, and
they really put her at the forefront of the publication.
And so she moderated our discussion and one of the
topics that came up was target the target boycott, and
she asked the question that so many people to questions.
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The first thing was is this move with the CEO
within Target?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Is that? And is it a win? Is it a
victory for the fight?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And then the other question she asked is why so
much focus on Target, because you know so many people say,
you know, why don't you move on to another company?
And people have even said, but Target is they are
telling everybody that they can tell. Particularly I hear it
when speaking to vendors, people who have products in Target,
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and I also hear when I am speaking to other
people that they have met with, and even some of
their executives will say, but they have not abandoned their diversity,
equity and inclusion principles.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
They just had to change the name because of.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Donald Trump's executive And you know, of course we've talked
about it a million times on this show that we
don't accept that because we know there are other companies
who have refused to cower to Donald Trump's desire to
be a white supremacist. We know that there are other
people who are other corporations like Delta, like Sephora, like
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American Airlines, and the list goes on and on and
By the way, I'm not suggesting that all of these
businesses are perfect either, because you know, to get into
some of the things happening that these other businesses, even Alta,
which is a beauty company that is still a partner
with Target, who has decided to maintain and not only maintain,
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but they have said they are doubling down on their diversity,
equity and inclusion principles and that it is a part
of the fabric, the moral fiber of their company. They
have said that, and they in their partnership with Target,
they have they are separating begin in twenty twenty six.
But of course they did not tell us why, other
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than to say that the companies are going into different directions.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
But the writing is on the wall.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And so she was asking about the CEO stepping aside,
and I think we talked about sort of the shell
game that we see happening, but then still being able
to find the victory in the midst of the shell game.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You know, you could talk about it, or that I'm
not the only one going on about it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I mean, listen, you pretty much you know more about
the Target.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You know, I've got into the Target boycott based on
you and our brothers and sisters, Jamail and Nina. But
this is your thing. So I love it when you
explain it because you explain it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
To the t.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, yeah, so you know.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I you know, first of all, in that same conversation
that I have with so many people, and I see
it in my comments people who have fake prof files,
people are real profiles where they say, well, Target is
still committed to their principles and we should you know,
they're still supporting black businesses and they say, you know,
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their new Bosey program is really strong, it's really serious.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
They are committed to diversity.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Again, however, they just have to change the name so
that they're not under attacked by Donald Trump and his administration.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, first of.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
All, when you give a million dollars, are you saying
that you also invested a million dollars in Donald Trump's
his inauguration? I think, but his political campaign? Did you
invest that also because you were trying not to be
targeted pun intended? Then we turn around and within days
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this wasn't something I noticed that other corporations. They deliberated
for a while before they made the decision to announce
that they were pulling their DEI initiatives. Now I don't
agree with those companies. I'm just saying there was a
process that you can tell they went through, probably talking
to the lawyers, looking at their funding, whether or not
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they're getting anything from the federal government, and trying to
make a decision what was the best path for them
to take. And I'm sure there was some pressure and
other things that they went through, and then those people,
those companies made a decision. Target was within days. It
was literally maybe seventy two hours, maybe even less than
that before they made a very quick decision that they
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were pulling their DEI initiatives. So that is also another example.
But then folks say, again, they're committed to their principles.
They told us, they're showing us they're still given donations
and showing up in black spaces. So if that in
fact is the case, why played the shell of moving
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the CEO into another position on the board and identifying
another person within the company and elevating him who happens
to be.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
A white man.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Why not choose a woman of color, a black woman,
or some other person of color to.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Lead the company.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
If you're so committed to your diversity, equity and inclusion, principles.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
They did not do that because they are committed to standing.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
With Donald Trump. And we all know who Donald Trump is,
and so when people push back on me. You know,
I listened to an interview that one of our sisters
did and she said, you know, I feel like we
found out about the boycott. It was a Tabitha Brown
and she was doing the Earn Your Leisure podcast and
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she was saying that it felt very disheartening to her
that she found out about the boycott and the DEI
of removal at Target at the same time. She said
that that just it was it's just so disheartening that
both things happened at once. And I you know, I
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love me some Tabitha Brown. Nobody's ever going to be
able to make me unlove her, and so I know
what she's saying. She is saying also understanding the point
of the boycott, She said that she understands the movement,
she gets all of that.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
But my thought on it is that we all.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Have found ourselves in the midst of a situation that
we're responding to because of a literal crime that is
happening against Black America. Right. And so, as I say
constantly when miss Anne and my mama, and you know,
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missus Joe and whomever said that they were boycott and target.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Target didn't give us time.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
They didn't even give the companies that are supposed to
be their partners time to understand that they were making
a move that was going to impact them. And so
people have responded to something that happened to our communities.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
We did not cruse Target.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Target chose this fight, and we responded to it not
to harm black businesses, but to protect black people, which
is very different when you think about, yes, there are businesses,
a few businesses that need to be protected also, but
the black bodies that are in those businesses become a
part of the whole, and the whole is under attack
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in so many ways at this point in time. And
so you know, it breaks my heart that everything that
happens within our communities, whether we're responding to white supremacy,
whether we are fighting back against something, it still pauses
a little little whether they say a twin a little
bit of a division between our people. But I can
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tell you that the whole purpose of what we have
been doing with the Target boycott is to say that somebody,
somebody has to pay for the disrespect and the literal criminal,
criminal actions that are happening against our people. And that's
where we stand. So you know, the boycott continues. Some
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people will say that they've gone back to Target or
that they never left, and that's fine because we'll never
be able to get everybody on the same page. But
for some of us, we've decided to stand for something,
and I pray and hope that as time goes on,
we can find a solution to the partnerships that black
businesses had that are suffering. For now, people are buying direct,
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but for companies that you can't buy direct from, absolutely
we as a community, and I'm sure that at Investments
they covered what does it look like to secure you know,
those those those brands, those businesses, so that we don't
have a situation in the future, as you said on
the panel, when they can pull a carpet from underneath
us with the stroke of a pen. So it's a
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long way of saying a whole lot, but I thought
it was important to just, you know, you give a
synopsis on this show about where we stand on the
Target boycott.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Shout out to Jamo Bryant because there was a video
that he posted with Rick Ross inside Target.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't know if it was daughter girl.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I don't know who it was that he was inside
Target with, but he was talking about he's in targeting.
They were going through and Jamo just you know, informed
him that black people with boycotting Target, you know, and
it's needed to know. So Ross, men, black people boycott Target,
they don't respect us, they don't need our money. You
got a bunch of black businesses that you can go
support or people that actually value us. So go to
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one of those and spend your money with the people
that respect us and value us.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Amen. Amen, Amen.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Let me get to my thought of the day and
go kind of quickly on this. There was a story
that I saw last week about an Airbnb host and
how they charged a family sixteen thousand dollars damages that
they created with AI photos. So they created AI photos
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that showed damages in an Airbnb space and.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
They charged sixteen thousand dollars that Airbnb.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
After doing their investigation, they went back and you know,
they refunded all of the money to this person. On
these people, And when I saw the article, it just
reminded me of the trauma that I had experienced with Airbnb,
and the fact that I went through something with Airbnb
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that for some people may think is small.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
But it is. It was an issue.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
That as I went through the changes, I talked to
people who I know that work at Airbnb. I was
back and forth in communication online with.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
A real person.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
At first it started out automated, and then it became
a real person who was dealing with my issue with
an Airbnb host. And in the end, they did not
solve the problem. They did not solve the problem. And
so my thought of the day around Airbnb is who
is the boss and at what point are we as
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people who are consumers who support Airbnb going to say
that enough infractions have taken place, enough people had either
been disrespected, overcharged, lied on, mistreated, you know, even privacy
issues before we start calling Airbnb to the carpet to
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tell them that there has to be some changes to
their business and it has to be respectful communities. Because
this is not just black folks, this is across all racists,
all groups of people. We see that there are constantly
issues with Airbnb. Now my situation just for people who
want to know when I checked into an Airbnb, maybe
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this must have been about two years ago, because I
don't really use them anymore unless it's in a place
where I have no other choice. I checked into an Airbnb,
and when I arrived, they give you a certain amount
of people that you can have in the place in
this space, and so I think we had four people
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who could be in the airbnb at any one time.
My driver would have been the fifth person who came
to help with the bags, groceries and everything else. When
we got to the airbnb. He was there probably four
or five minutes, and he left immediately later down the
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line Airbnb, somehow we got into a conversation about me
having an additional person in the place, of which I
said to them this additional person was my driver, who
was there for just a few moments. But because we
were in a dispute about something else and I can't remember,
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I'm gonna go back and read the actual comments. It
wasn't anything that I did, because when they wrote their
review about their experience with me, they said she didn't
harm the place, nothing bad happened, but she had additional
people then what was allowed in the place, and she
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was hard to get in touch with. Now I'm going
back and forth with them saying, this person was there
for less than five minutes, they dropped some bags in
the place, never washed their hands, didn't go to the
bathroom or anything, and turned right back out.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And after some back and.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Forth where they admitted this, the host admitted, yes, it was,
it was for a short period of time, but nonetheless,
you you know, still had too many people in the place,
and I'm like, this is this is not accurate. We
went back and forth, back and forth. The conversation became
very hostile. When I went to Airbnb their position even
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though they read it, and they also acknowledged to me
that it was clear that I did not have anyone
else staying or even chilling out for a little while,
or even using the bathroom in the apartment, they said
to me, well, you know, we can't do anything about
the comment that this person just rating that they've left
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on your name because that was their experience, even though
their experience wasn't true. Airbnb would refuse and said that
they were unable to fix this. Now I have it
all in writing for anybody who wants to see it,
who may think, you know whatever, Oh, in fact, that's
what the dispute was. When I checked out they made
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these comments and the comment was no problems with the place,
Everything was good. However, there were additional people in the space,
which was not true. So through all of this back
and forth, calling executives being on and writing back and
forth for two weeks, with people talking back and forth
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having a massive argument with the hosts, they were unwilling
to change on my rating something that was a bold
faced lie. It was not true, and Airbnb was able
to keep it there because their policy is that the
as the company, they can't change what the whost says
about their experience, even when they got screenshots and knew
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that everything was a lie. Now we see this happening
where a person was charged sixteen thousand dollars in damages
that was AI generated. That tells me that Airbnb has
some serious issues with their policies.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
From what people are able to.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Comment and rate about a visitor or a patron all
the way up to the lies that are being told
in more substantial ways about damages and other things.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
So that's not the other the day today.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Who is the boss at Airbnb and at what point
are we all going to come together and say enough,
that's enough with all the infractions that this company is
pausing and doing two people who are supporting their multi
billion dollar company probably at this time.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, I remember that time.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
You just pissed off about that and he was going
back and forth, and it was one of the things
that you just was not.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Going to let up on.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
You kept writing back and you went and it was
crazy because they literally, I remember they literally admitted that
you didn't have nobody else there, but they couldn't. So
you you get to dammage someone's reputation, you know, because
that's actually when when you go for Airbnb, they look
at those those areas. So so when somebody puts that
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there and you can dispute it and they they don't,
they don't have to take it down, that's crazy. That's
just like, you know, that's defamation and character. Actually that's
a that's a defamation suit because those things go on
your jacket into being able to apply. So I don't
understand how they have a policy to where they don't
even they're not even able to change something that they
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know is wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
That they have evidence of and they admitted it. So
it is what it is. Let's go on to the TMN.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So for TMI today, Right, everybody knows that, oh, not
your Donny is sending the National Guard into He sent
the National Guard into DC. He's threatened to send him
into Chicago. He's threatened to send them to Baltimore. And
you know there's actually which I don't even understand how
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that's actually an argument right on whether it makes sense
to do it or doesn't. Is he doing too much
or not by sending in the National Guard to Chicago?
Is that too much? Is to sending the National Guard
to DC? Too much? I know, for me, I don't
want to see the National Guard in the streets.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I don't think I'm gonna feel safe when I see
people in dressed up in uniforms with guns and shit
on the corners. I don't know how people feel like
that makes things safe. Instead of sending resources right, instead
of making sure that the kids education is right, instead
of making sure that they have programs to where they
are able to be taught about jobs and AI and
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they have actual opportunities, we invested into more police in
over police and our communities when the stats show that
it doesn't work, that more police does not prevent crime.
What prevents crime as opportunities and resources to these children
who are actually are committing the crime. So I don't
understand why people don't see that when the numbers of
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playing there's no disparity. Where there's poverty, there's crime. Where
there's lack of resources, there's crime. When you give resources.
You know, when you go to the most affluent communities,
they don't have police.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
The safest communities in the world don't have policing.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
So that just goes to show you that it's not
the police that's making the community safe. What's making the
community safe is that the community is thriving and they
have actual opportunities to do things, and they don't have to.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Stand on the corner.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
They don't have to figure out how they're going to survive,
and it actually be educated properly, and they have teachers
inside the schools that actually want to educate instead of suspicion,
and they have mental health situation, mental health programs and
facilities people people to cultivate and deal with traumas and
whatever it is that they're down.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's not just policing, it's militarized communities right where they're
bringing military in troops that are supposed to fight wars
and basically declaring that our communities are war zones. Shootings
are happening and very serious stuff. I mean, there is
an issue that I see on the rise across the
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nation where black women are being shot and killed by
their boyfriends or domestic partners or men. And we know
that New Jersey has really been focused a lot on
domestic violence as being one of their highest violent crimes
or violent issues in their.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
City, and so we know that there are some trends.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Now we also understand that the numbers show that violence
is down more in these places since COVID because after
the pandemic, violence was crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
People we already know the things.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Schools were closed, programs were closed, people didn't have.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Resources, folks lost their jobs.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
There was a lot happening during the pandemic that suppressed
and harmed our communities in very very serious ways. And
so now as as the years have gone by, we've
watched mayors, many of them black mayors, invest into violence
prevention and programs and education and all the things that
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you name to try to deal with curbing and turning
the tide on violence and violent crimes in their communities.
And it has been working, but it is not something
that will work overnight. And with the federal government saying
that they are going to pull money from the communities
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that you know, from violence prevention programs and criminal justice
reform programs and other things that we know actually worked,
mental health support, addiction prevention, they are pulling money from
those types of programs and necessary things within our community,
and now they want to bring in troops. Anybody who
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doesn't understand what's happening here is that they don't care
about the community. They just want to be able to
lock folks up and send them away. It is another
example of the crime build in the nineties. It is
another example of the use of the term super predators
to describe.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Young black men.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It is another opportunity to incarcerate our people without getting
to the bottom of what our issues. Because if we
have black women, and it's more than black women, because
we know personally of a young woman who was killed
by her boyfriend or her a partner, a former partner,
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we know, and she was not black, she was I
think she might be Mexican or Latina, and so we
know that when we see a trend like this, something
else is happening with the emotional intelligence of our men,
of young black men, we know that they are not
criminals by a nature, but more so by design.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And we also know because there are studies that.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Show to your point, just putting more militarized policing in
the community does not solve the problem.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You will lock some people away and.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The next day, you know, another person with another type
of problem will become an issue.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It does not solve the problem.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
What it does is pretty much put us in a
society where we are living based upon fear, fear mongering,
and where we are criminalized and labeled as dangerous individuals,
which translates into employment because you can't not have black
women work in Also, you know, not want to have
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programs specifically designed to address the needs of black and
brown people and then at the same time say we're
gonna fill up all the jails.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It doesn't go together.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's disingenuous and anybody who has common sense should be
able to look at this and see. But I will say,
as you have said in your TMI, there are some
people who think that seventeen hundred troops going into DC
and Chicago and other places, that that's a good thing.
They just like they thought it was a good thing
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to lock up a bunch of black men in the nineties,
or what the crack cocaine issues.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And then later on we'll come back and say our
communities were destroyed.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And see what I keep saying, I really don't have
the understanding of anybody who was so angry with the crime.
And what I explained to everybody, the crimevill was response
to what was happening in the crack communities. Crack was
destroying the communities, right, And they say due our mother's
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one of the grandmothers was like, we need to get
these people off the street.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
This was the truth.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
But when we look we realized it didn't help our communities.
So this is a response to crime. So if you're
sending these national guards and you over police in our communities,
you're gonna lock up our people, will higher rates. And
now Donald Trump is signed executive orders that eliminate me
to make sure that there's no more cash.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
This baill that's gonna effect our people. It's cash. This
bill doesn't mean you didn't do the crime.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It means if you can't pay to get out, then
you sit in jail. Right, So somebody might have commited
shunned somebody, and because they have money and able to
pay to get out, more than likely our people as
the ones that don't.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Have the money to get out.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
So we have a khalif broader situation where you steal
a book bag, will you get into a fight or something,
and you sit in jail for two and three years
because you can't pay the bail, not because you've done
a crime that you be in jail for that amount
of time, but you can't pay the bill. It's a
racist structure. It's a racist system. And when you talk
about sending the National Guard into black communities into states
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that are controlled by black man's will, ultimately means the
population of blacks is overwhelming, you know who is going
to be targeted. So this is just a reality. So
if we are trying to really have comprehensive and real
intentional steps toward ending crime in our communities, we have
to look at the root of what crime is. The
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rule of crime is poverty. The rule of crime is
miseducational under education. The rule of crime is you know,
starvation and food deserts like these are the roots of crimes.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So if we really trying to stop probing.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
If Donald Trump was really intentional about styber crime, he
would make sure those communities have resources. But he's not
intentional about styber crime, and he won't make sure those
communities have resources. You know why because if he was
intentional about stopping real crime, he would go into Mississippi,
right in Jackson where they got the higher rates.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But you know why they won't go there.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Because it's Republican governors. Did you know he would go
into Tennessee. You know why they're gonna go in there
because they have white governors. What's Virginia like Ohio, like
places that we know that the crime rates far exceed
the murder rates far exceed in these people, the people
that he point out that just happened to be black
governors and mens, Oh, they just happen. No, No, it's
(36:26):
not by happenstas. This is an intentional attack on black communities.
And if you don't see it, I don't know what
to tell you. But I'm just trying to say. And
if you're a black person and I understand you want
crime to stop. I know we've been hearing about Chicago
and we see it all the time, but I want
to make you do your due diligence study, look at
(36:51):
the rates, look at what causes crimes, look at what's
missing from those communities, and understand that if you got
a budget in Chicago, have a two billion dollar budget.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
For police, and it's amore raising it.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
If you if you took one, if you took one
one hundred for this and put it into the community,
give these kids opportunities to win. It not on the
corners right, and they have real opportunities to do things.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
You will see the change.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
So you know, I hate that our people have brought
into this white supremacy notion that police make us say
no when we feel safe, when we have the things
and we're not we're not living well, while we're not
just destitute in our communities and we're not stressed out
all the time.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Then we'll see.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
But I think he should send the troops into the NRA,
the Smith and Wesson, Glock, all of the companies that
are allowing their guns to make it on the street
to our youth, and then you know, we could talk
about sign it's fair game if you're willing to actually
put some regulations around the people who sell the guns.
(37:56):
Because the black folks are definitely not making them, that's right.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
So that brings me to my I don't get it
as we talk about Trump deploying the National Guard into
cities that are majority black, I really don't get how
you can be a black Trump supporter like at this point.
And you know what's so crazy to me? Right, let
(38:25):
me try. I'm gonna put up this this this thing
that I was looking at that made me laugh. Right,
what's so crazy to me is that they have this
new thing called Trump derangement syndrome. And everybody who doesn't
like Trump, they say, is deranged. And so that's half.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Of the world, more than half the world who's protesting
them every day. We all have Trump derangements.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
But for me, there's this narrative, right, and although it's true, right,
there's this narrative that a lot of them have used.
I've heard Candice someone said, Barbra Donald's you know who else?
You you name it, They've said it the black people
who support Trump, and they try to justify racism, and
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they try to justify slavery.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
And I've heard.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Them say, well, you do know that black people own slaves, right,
and you do know that black people sold their own
people into slavery. And I want them to know that
I am one hundred percent short. And I want them
also to know that they are the type of black
(39:30):
people that sold us to the slavery. They are exactly
the type of black people that had slaves. We know,
y'all exist, we all, we know their own.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Skin folk a kIPS.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
So when y'all say that like it's a flex, you're
talking about you. You are the ones who brought into
the white supremacist talking points, who get up on these
white stages and tell us how black people ain't shit,
how we killed more than everybody, how we under educated,
how we don't understand this, and how white people have
been and when you look at the places where white people.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Are governing, these things are happening.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
The one who parrot that bullshit, y'all the ones.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Who believed that. So it was no problem for your
type to sell our own their own people into slavery.
It was no problem for your type to enslave their own.
You don't have any empathy, You didn't feel any connection
to another black man that you've seen being humiliated in
just desecrated you. That you had no feeling because you
(40:25):
wanted to be adjacent to whiteness. It was your type,
it was your your ancestors. You have the bloodline of
those who enslaved their own people. You have the bloodline
who sold their own people. When you talk about the
bottom of Donalds, candish all of y'all, y'all heard the warns.
We know Tim Scott, we know Tim would sell a
black man Upper River.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
In two seconds.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
And it's just crazy to me that they use that
talk a point like they saying some slick. You're not
saying some slick. You're talking about yourself. You're you're describing
the exact type of black person that you are every
time you point that out. So I'm confused why they
think they said something slick to us when they say
it like they got aha moment here, you right, wold
(41:07):
black people. It was a good black people solely. Oh yes,
y'all eyes, You and your type was the ones we
had to worry about more than we even had to
worry about Mass, because y'all hurt every time Massive, every
time Massive was home, we were hungry. We hurt, were hungry.
Boss y'all, the yes, the bosses. So that's that's that's
(41:28):
what I want to say. I just want to know.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I don't know why they don't know that they talking
about this. Well.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You know, also, I think what you just said is true.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
And it's sad actually, but I think that and and
and it's not just the Byron Donald's and the people
you named, it's also people in corporations, people in institutions,
educational institutions. We've always dealt with the Nigro who wanted
to be more aligned and attached to the white folks
(42:00):
and their own people, and it has been in many
ways a crippling factor in our communities. You know, we
think about somebody who's in a very powerful position, and
that is a Supreme Court justice, what's his name, Chris Thomas.
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. This is somebody who's in
(42:21):
a very powerful position, who who loves his white wife
and her MAGA alignment, and they've been MAGA before MAGA
was the thing.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Then he does his own people and he's proud of it.
And so it's scary because it's not like a jewel.
These are people put our lives in literal danger every
single day.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
And I feel like, you know, we also are always.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Required to state the history properly, even when we're pointing
out something important.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
So it's important to point out what you said.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
But it's also important to point out that some of
our people who were involved in the slave trade were
forced to do so, and there was a fear that
they had because wanting some of them were tricked, and
then after coming about it there being tricked, they were
afraid for their own lives and for their families. They
(43:19):
were threatened that everybody in their bloodline would be slaughtered,
especially if their children, wives, or whomever was there in
the midst of the entrapment and the kidnapping that was happening, and.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
So people had to deal with that.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
But there were definitely some who saw it as a
way to separate themselves and to become the house negro
or to become the slave catcher gave them some reprieve
from having to be the court and the enslaved and whatever.
What they all found out though, in the end, was
(43:57):
that the white men didn't love them like they didn't
love the rest of us, and they ended up.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Every single one of them.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
I don't know anybody history that we read or learn about,
or the stories that are told to us by our
elders that someone who thought they were so and so
look look at that Byron Donalds don't even.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Have a job in the administration. He doesn't.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
There is no maybe I think there's one now black
person who's in the administration.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Over they always said the token the hood.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
There's not even a black person that is even a
token black, even a whitewashed black person is not within
the Donald Trump administration. And you got to ask yourself why,
or maybe you don't because maybe you feel like that's
not important because white people are smarter. I mean, we
saw can't just only say a whole thing about how
(44:54):
she was concerned whenever she saw a person of color
flying a plane because she wondered what they there for
DEI And they weren't actually qualified to have that position,
which is the craziest. I've never heard of an unqualified pilot.
That's never been something because it is so the rigorous
(45:16):
training that they go through and then the work that
they have to do to prove that they can actually
fly a plane is so rigorous. And to think that
a black woman would believe that you see a black
woman or a black person or a brown person in
a what is it called the cockpit that they are
only there because of a diversity equity and inclusion program.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
That's really scary to me.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
But you know what the thing is, you know, you
know what I would say.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
I wouldn't say that she was wrong because but the
thing is the weaponization of wood. Diversity equity inclusion actually
stands for right because they probably would not let no
black pilots in there if they didn't have to choose
from the top pilots in the world that were black, Right,
if they because they had to choose from the top
of the litter. They didn't just get put in there
(46:07):
because they were black, No, they was they understood that
you know what, if we don't put in diversity, equity
inclusion to make sure that the qualified, the overqualified black
people get in positions that they actually owned and deserved,
then they won't beat it.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
And that's what the white washing is.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
So when they say that they want to they want
to make the term diversity equity inclusion is something bad
when it was never anything bad, When it always was
something that made sure that there was diversity inside of
the place, there was equity, that everyone had equality, the
equal person had an equal opportunity and there was inclusion
and everyone was included within the corporation.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
So yeah, when she said there.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Was d I'm almost sure it probably was DR because
d I actually made the opportunity for blacks who will
overqualified get the jobs that they deserved her years ago.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
And right because the I won't we say that, we
speak of that term, but really DEI isn't just DEI.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
It is a firm action. It is the fight for equality.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
And whether or not it has always been used properly
or benefited all of us, we already know. We can
sit here and argue about the stats and all of
that all day long, but the point of diversity, equity,
and inclusion is what you're talking about. That it had
to be done because without it, we would just see
white people.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
And I guess people believe that only white people can
fly planes.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
So I mean they believe whatever they they believe what
they've been taught to believe. And it's so it's disheartening
that you have people that look like you that have
come from the lineage and understand and actually have went
through what you went through. All of these all of
these people who have gone bad, as I say, they
they haven't just grown up white washed in white community.
(47:57):
Some of them actually come from communities that we've come from.
And I think in the rush and the need to
feel like they matter, they wanted to become white adjacent
and they wanted to.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Have acceptances to whites.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
These be the same ones that go and tell black
jokes around the white friends, you know, because they wanted
to be accepted. And it's really just sad, man, you know,
shout out to a man the sales. I don't know
if we talked. We didn't talk about it. Last week,
I was watching her jubilee and just sitting there talking
to those black conservatives as you call them.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
It was just disheartening, you know. And she had.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Energy the temperance that I would never have, you know,
to educate, to actually sit there and educate people who
were just spewing foolishness, you know. And I think that's
what made me really just sit there and think about that.
I was listening to young boy. He was just talking
about all the things how black people are killing. It's like,
you don't even know what you're talking about. You don't
(49:01):
even understand what systemic racism or white supremacy is. You
don't even understand what the termament is, he said. He said,
there was actually no such thing as white, that it
didn't exist. You know, So when you have black people
who have been taught that, it's very dangerous because those
are the ones that they prop up and put in
positions to try to speak to us and try to
(49:23):
feel like they have some level of connection to us
when they don't even identify or realize.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Who we are, noting else to be said, You're right,
I shout out to Amanda.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
You know, she's great, she's amazing, she's smart. She's so smart.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
You can't even there's nothing you could do to deny
that woman, no matter what they do. And I'm so
glad that her performance there, you know, is before the
world that people are having to talk about how well
she didn't. I don't like the platform. I wouldn't participate
in it. I probably, like you said, wouldn't even do
a good job because I don't even have the temperament
(49:58):
to handle that. But that is that is Amanda's space,
Like that's what she thrives in, being able to challenge
ideas and concepts back and forth, and she actually thrives there.
I mean, and you can see it. Even though she
might have been frustrated. She had to, you know a
few times like let them know, like I'm also hooded,
you know what I'm saying, So.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
She had to do that.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
But for the most part, her performance is exactly what
I expected.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
And if there has.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
To be a jubileeue whatever that means, because I don't
even see how they're using that term jubilee or that
pro platform. But if there has to be a space
like that, Amantha is a perfect person to sit there
and to educate those people.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
That's what she did the shout out to her. So
that brings us to the end of another episode, wonderful
episode of TMI. I'm not gonna always be right Tamika
d marriages and that gonna always be wrong both always
and I mean always be wanked it.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
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