March 5, 2024 • 42 mins
Daniel learns more than he ever wanted to know about creating fictional languages for tv and film with professional conlanger David Peterson.
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All right, So when did you create your first language? And,
(00:20):
by the way, some of your earlier languages do you
look back on and go, oh.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Gosh, yeah, of course. But I created my first language
my second my second year at Berkeley.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I mean, do you put all the rules into it?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Absolutely? You gotta.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Do you come up with swear words? Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's usually what they asked for first?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Uh huh yeah, tashhash Tosh Show Club show.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Hello, it's me your host, Daniel, and welcome to Tosh Show.
Now hit me with some smooth jazz. That feels right. Oh,
(01:08):
I'm gonna keep going. I get it. Let it play
all right. That seems like enough. Eddie you with me?
I'm with you, good to hear. Let's start with our
favorite segment Hello from Toss Show, where I send a
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comes from Stuart. He's a fan from the United Kingdom.
WHOA That means the Toss Show is mister worldwide. That's exciting.
Stuart went through some tough times last year, but listening
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I don't believe you, Stuart, but it's a very nice
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thing to say. Who else we got? James in Monterey
listens with his day add on the way to school. Uh,
my dad and I used to listen to old Focus
on the Family sermons, equally impactful, I'd say, yeah, different times.
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All right, what's going on? The oscars? Gearing up for
the Oscars? Getting so excited? What's nominated for Best Picture? Eddie?
So we've got ten of them? Well, stop there, at Eddie?
You just you said ten? Ten? Holy shit? All right,
let's see it. What do we got? We get? American
fiction didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Anatomy of a Fall.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Didn't see it. The Holdovers didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Killers of the Flower Moon didn't see it. Maestro didn't
see it. Oppenheimer didn't see it. Past Lives didn't see it.
Poor things, what was it? Poor things didn't see it?
The Zone of Interest, Oh god, it didn't see it?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Barbie. All right, that's ten. That's ten. Guess what I'm guessing.
Guess out loud, I guess, I'll loud. Guess ten. You've
seen three? I said, didn't see it. I didn't see it.
The fuck's wrong with you, idiot? I saw Barbie. I
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saw one of the ten. This is why I could
never host for a lot of reasons, but one the
main reason is I wouldn't even want to watch these
movies to write a joke about them. I saw Barbie. Ah,
and here's what I loved about Barbie. Running time under
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two hours. I guarantee you what's the running time on
all those movies. You don't have to tell me. I
already know too long. But I saw Barbie, and guess what.
Enjoyed it. Didn't think I was gonna enjoy it. My
wife wanting to watch it. We watched it. I was like, oh,
I love it. I love Margot Robbie. Most of you
know Margot Robbie and I would have gotten married had
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it not been for the fact that my mother is
also named Margo, and that's a breaker. Hey, guess what
I just learned what the other day, I had this
pondering question and I was like, you know, I'm going
to look this up and see if it's a thing,
and sure, shit, it is. Some people when they floss
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their teeth, I'm one of them. When you floss your teeth,
your nose itches. And I was like, this has to
be a thing, because every time I floss my nose
really itches. And apparently, according to this one study that
was done that there's some wires in your brain that
get mixed up when you're flossing, and it makes you
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think your nose itches. Isn't that interesting? That is? I
thought it was? What was I talking about? The oscars?
That's the problem. This is the biggest night in Hollywood,
and I'm way more fascinated by my nose itching while
flossing my teeth. No, I'm sure those movies were great
and the people, you know, they did a lot of
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hard work to make them. So there's nine movie or
did you see any of those movies? How many of
the ten did you see? Eddie two point five? Oh?
Which one of those did you turn off halfway through? Openheimer? Oppenheimer?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's Oppenheimer. I think we all agree it's Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer. Hey,
I'll tell you what you should do instead of watching Oppenheimer,
watch John Wick four twice and thank me later. Let's
get this show on the road. If you watch the
Oscars this weekend, you won't see today's guest. He works
on movies and is the best at what he does,
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but the Oscars don't have a category for it, probably
because his job is too stupid. Enjoy Pasha, my guest today,
has created languages for Game of Thrones, Dune, and dozens
of other things I've never seen. He's a nightmare to
play scrabble with and has my favorite made up job.
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Please welcome David. David, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Thank you for having me. By the way, I haven't
even seen everything that I've worked on.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well, you know what, I always hate to say this
to people. I hate to be completely honest when it
comes to movies and things like that. I haven't seen
a lot and I don't enjoy watching a ton of stuff.
Sometimes i'll watch them, I'm like, oh, that was good,
that was great, but like, yes, I've never seen a
frame of Game of Thrones and it's not my thing.
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But people always think I'm saying it because I think, oh,
I'm too cool to watch TV. No, I could, you know,
I could watch the Kardashians. I'll just put that on.
I'll find it interesting for a little bit. I guess
I like to watch sports. What am I gonna do?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I am?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Who I am?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, I get that. I think that of all the
things that I've worked on, the only things I would
have watched probably are the Marvel movies, just because you know,
it was a big thing to go out and see
the Marvel movies and Elemental the Pixar movie, because I
like watching the Pixar movies. Other than that, probably would
not have watched anything that I worked on, just on
my own.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You were a part of Elemental, Oh you bet so.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's Jesse, my my fiance. We both worked on it.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Your names, that's easy day.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Elemental As has a place in my heart really because
it's the first movie that I took my son to
see in a theater. Oh. We like wait, we we
like wait. We looked at the lineup of what was
coming out, and we've like Elemental that's gonna be the one.
And it was his first It was a big day.
We built it up for like months and months, and
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we went to a theater and it was. It was
like it was the cutest thing in the world watching it.
So now I care about that movie for the rest
of my life. So you are a conno lingus? Am
I saying that? Right? Con? What is it?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It's not Conda Langer or conn Langer?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Con Linger con lang Linger?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Is that a? Is that a real thing? It is? Now?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's in the Oxford English Dictionary. We got it in there.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I have so many questions, but my first question that
I ask all my guests, do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Absolutely not? And I want to go on record and
make sure that everybody knows, No, I do not believe
in ghosts, not one bit. However, I am absolutely terrified
of them.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh that's the right answer. Thank you. How do I
get into this bullshit career of yours? You make up languages?
First of all, I want to you're highly educated, allegedly
fairly like, did you really go to Berkeley? Because I
don't believe you? And I'll tell you why, sure, just
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because I feel like you're in a profession. It's not
like you're the governor. They're not going to really check,
like they could just be anything written on your Wikipedia
page and I'm taking it as gospel. Yeah, but you're
saying you did go enough.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I've got some photographs, but no, Like, it's an interesting
point you about language specifically when it comes to not checking,
because language is the type of thing where it's different
from anything else that's going to be on a television
show or a movie. Right, If you're making a physical
prop for a movie or a television show, what it
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needs to do is it needs to look real on screen.
It doesn't matter that the throne made out of swords
on Game of Thrones wasn't actually made out of melted
down swords if it looks like it was, and in fact,
it was three D printed, but it doesn't matter because
it looks like swords on screen. And that's fine. A language, though,
and this isn't just a created language I'm talking about
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any language. Languages aren't real things.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right, They're all eventually are at some point. We're just
made up.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, And not only that, they don't exist anywhere. Like, So,
if you think about English right now, we're both speaking it,
we both understand it, but it's not as if it's somewhere,
you know, It's not as if English exists somewhere and
we can go check to see if what we said
is really English. You know, it's just English, if basically
you understand what I'm saying, and we both agree that
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we're speaking speaking English of other people agree and understand,
and so there's no way to check or verify. That's
something I use it.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I always use my phone for a word and in
Google like, lets me know if I'm enunciating it properly.
Then it the other day with inclement inclement weather, do
you say inclement or inclement? You say inclement.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
No, that's another plausible way of saying it wrong. I'm thinking,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I don't know inclement, it's inclement, I don't know clement.
It's bizarre. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
It's bizarre because the truth of it, it's not like
any of them is actually right or wrong. It's really
just a percentage. So there is a percentage of people
that say superfluous instead of superfluous, okay, and that percentage
is probably higher than people that's that say in clement
versus inclement.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But on the other hand, envelope envelope saying either one,
it's more likely to be considered right by most people.
It's not like one of them is incorrect.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
How does this get back to the fact that I
don't think you went to Berkeley? Good? Did anybody ever
verify like your background? I'm just saying like that because
you did. You know, this is Hollywood. Nobody verifies what
I'm saying. Yeah, so you.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Have heard of dialoge coaches.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Are there lies on your Wikipedia page or things that
aren't true? There isn't mine?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Shoot, okay, let me let me think there there. Certainly
there certainly was at one point in time. I put
my birth date on Wikipedia because I often forge a Wikipedia.
What do you say?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Wikipedia? Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Wow? Do you also say Pokemon?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I don't ever say that, because I'm a fucking adult.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
No, I'm definitely a Wikipedia person.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Am I supposed to say Wikipedia? I say Wikipedia? Oh? Yes,
I I I always ask because I know, oh you know,
I have a Florida public school education. I know the
hand that I was apology, and I know I say
things wrong all the time, so I always stop when
somebody says something different. I'm like, wait, am I saying it?
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So I'm supposed to be saying Wikipedia?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, supposed to is a weird thing. I would
say more Americans probably say Wikipedia, I guess, which just
shows how mainstream it is.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Let's get into the language stuff. So how many languages
can you actually speak? And I'm not talking bullshit ones I.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Don't know, like the ones that I feel good about,
just speaking little bits of.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Tiny bits, probably five six. Okay, this, I mean that's impressive,
but not like, oh my goodness, now it's not all right.
So when did you create your first language? And by
the way, some of your earlier languages do you look
back on and.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Go ooh, oh, goshyah, of course. But I created my
first language my second my second year at Berkeley. I
had been studying Arabic in Russian the first year, and
I had to stop both of them because the next
Arabic course is going to be offered at nine in
the morning, which is way too early, and the next
Russian course is going to be offered it eight in
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the morning, which is just even earlier than too early.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And so you were like, like, I don't want to
learn Russian or Arabic because of the time of day
that it was taught. Yes, Instead, I'm going to focus
on Klingon.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I started studying linguistics, which was really cool. And really
fascinating because it's a scientific study of all languages, and
so you don't focus on learning anyone language, you learn
the patterns behind them. It was a lot of fun.
I really took to it very easily. I did miss
the language study, though, and so part of what I
did was I started creating my own language to kind
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of incorporate elements of languages that I missed. Arabic in particular.
Loved the Arabic language. Oh it's just a lifehole, so scary,
ah really not really Grammatically it works like nothing else
I'd ever seen.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But jive? Do you speak jive?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
She me?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Then?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
How came up?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Me?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Messing?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
My old lady got to be running cool upside down?
Is he not a language? It's more of a well, okay,
hold on, how dare you When we say when we
say not a language, it's kind of like saying, like,
is American English a language? The answer is yes, of
course it is, but it's not a separate language from English.
Al told you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So it's like any type of a dialect, you know,
is that a language? Like, of course it's a language.
It's an instantiation of a language, but that dialect is
not going to be a separate language from another dialect.
That's why it's called a dialect.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Talking in tongues.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, haamalana lel.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Are you jealous of them? No?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That's I mean, it's just complete bullshit, all right? What Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Absolutely, you kidd me though. That's a beautiful language. Can
you decipher someone that's talking in tongues?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, here's the thing. You can actually tell if somebody
is talking in tongues, if they're if their native language
is English, if their native language is French, and so
on and so forth. Because it's basically a gibberish, but
gibberish itself has patterns to it.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I was gonna speak a lot of gibberish to you
during this interview, but I won't.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Do.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You want to know why, because all of my gibberish
tends to start to head very Asian for some reason,
and I don't I don't want to do it. Yeah,
I don't know why it does it. But when I
speak gibberish, all of a sudden, it's like, I'm surprised
you haven't been canceled, because it does seem like every
made up language kind of teeters on a little racist. No, No,
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I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Now I will say this, the people that I create
languages for often tend towards some sort of racist definitely.
I usually try to kind of rescue it by putting
a language in there that is more or less realistic.
And the truth is that, I mean, languages themselves, they
don't have any characteristics that you know, that reflect anything
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about a race or region of people. I mean there's
the vocabulary items themselves, right, but nothing about the nunciation,
nothing about the grammar. All of that is just kind
of cultureless.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Really, did you know that this was what you were
going to do? Had you met anyone that had done
this before?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, I like many people I think before like two
thousand and nine, really, or many people who created languages.
Were they independently invented the idea. Some had heard about Tolkien,
some had heard about Klingon. I hadn't happened to so,
so like many others, I kind of independently invented the
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idea of creating my own language. It was fun, and
then when I met others, I was like, ah, crap,
Now I don't have a corner on the market.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And are others there, tons of thousands. Are any of
them successful in what regard making a living somebody giving
you more than a dollar?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
No, I don't think anybody else has ever made a
living doing this. There's certainly other people that have been
paid to do it. Yeah, and it's and it's growing.
It's a growing field. But I don't think anybody before
me actually made a living creating.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Like, can AI just take your job away from you?
Can AI do like just made up stuff?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
AI can take anybody's job if the person employing them
values the AI over a human being. So it's like,
if you think about like writers in Hollywood, it's like, well,
if the producer doesn't care, absolutely, AI can take a
writer's job. If they care even the slightest amount, they'll
see what the AI is producing is chipperish.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, And I stand with with the producers as a rule,
whoever is writing the check, that's who I stand with.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
But you know, they've been doing gibberish for created languages
ever since Hollywood has existed. They're still doing it with
Star Wars in the Star Wars universe. They love their gibberish.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Well, let me let me talk some dollars, Okay, because
I need to know this and I need you to
answer it honestly. If you if you feel like you don't,
you can. You don't have to do your own personal experience.
But yeah, a real, real big budget television show hires
you to create a language. They can pay whatever. What's
the rate to come up with a language?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I've never met. I've never worked on a television show
or movie that wasn't strapped for cash. It was just
like in negotiations with them, it would be like, oh gosh,
and I tell you, we just the budget. It's just
so constrained. We don't have a lot of money for
right now. Every single one was absolutely destitute and.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
There's no union to protect you for god. Now, okay,
well give me a ballparker what I can think? You
know what? I could go in as an asking.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Price anywhere from like four hundred dollars to like one hundred.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Thousand, and as for the whole project.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, and everything in between. There's absolutely no consistency.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But about one hundred thousand, could that be a project
that only takes you a month to do?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, that's an interesting question. So when it comes to
create a language, I mean theoretically, theoretically right, you could
just do it instantly, right, because language only exists in
your mind, and so if you can come up with
all of this stuff and it coheres and you can
remember it, right, you can just create a language just
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by snapping your fingers. The problem, Yeah, the problem is
will you remember that seven months from now? Yeah, and
so and so. Where where the time comes in is
recording all of this stuff so that you can reproduce
it and others can reproduce it and it remains consistent.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I mean, how do you put all the rules into it?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Absolutely, you gotta do you come up with swear words?
Oh that's usually what they asked for first?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Uh huh, yeah, racist terms? Do you do that?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
On Defiance?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I did Jongushi I.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Defiance was a great project, but where I created four
different languages, four different writing systems. It was a whole
bunch of different aliens that existed on Earth because they
basically all crashed landed there and so like everybody spoke
each other's languages or little bits of it. You know,
there were there were swear terms. There absolutely were, like
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racist terms for the other aliens from other aliens from humans.
It was great.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
What about the N word? Did you ever have to
come up with something for it?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I mean, not that specifically.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
No, Okay, yeah, well I was just curious as I
got to put it on my list of do not
ever say or rap? Right, do you hate pooty Tang
because you weren't involved in that movie.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Shane, I'm trying a complete blank.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You don't remember Pooty Tang Sippy on the run of Haigh.
This was nineties, right, No, it was Luis c. K
did it with Chris Rock. They produced it. But it
was a he spoke his own language, He had his
belt and he would whip bitches. This is a was
this early two thousands in it might be two thousand
and one Tang came out.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
God, I was getting it confused with with bowfinger for
a minute.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
No, no, no, was all about a made up language. You've
never even watched it, No, David, you should definitely watch
Pooti Dang. I mean just just I think comedically because
it was so it was like such a disaster, like
it did so bad and then it became you know,
whenever they try to pretend that movies are uh, you know,
good afterwards. But Valerian, which one's that that was one
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of the languages from Game of Thrones. Can you speak
all of these languages perfectly?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Or no? I mean I can pronounce it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
My name is Daniel. Can you say that in Valerian?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Let's see you have BROSI Daniel, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
That sounds beautiful, sounds like Italian.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I can do it. I can do it like
you know orkishy too, you have pros. There you go,
that's beautiful. That's neat too, because I made a dual
lingo for that one dual lingo course.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Now, so let's forget my name is Daniel, and let's
talk about the fact that we can download an app
and we can put in your languages into them.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Just Ti Valerian, yeah, High Valerian. Uh yeah, oh god,
hey I didn't make that up. George R. Martin did.
And by the way, and that and that, by the
way is kind of bs. So there's there's this German.
One of the dialects is called High German. But it's
not called High German because it's fancy or precious or something.
That's because it was literally spoken at a higher elevation.
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I thought you were going to just do a salute there.
That was literally what it was. Well, I know, I
didn't know what you're doing, was like all right, or
rather fine, you're gonna you're gonna edit this terribly for me,
aren't you No?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I again, you you were fine. It was it was
where I went that was wrong. How did you How
did you sell Jesse on this this bullshit career?
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I know, so Jesse was.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Jesse was so she decided to start creating languages on
her own. Like many people, good grief, two of you
under one roof. There's so many, There's so many. But
she was a professor of linguistics for for many years.
And actually it was pretty funny at the time. Like
when I first met her or or knew about her,
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I absolutely despised her. She didn't know this, yeah, because
she won't listen to this. She was, that's fine, but
she so she had contacted me. I was involved with
the Language Creation Society at the time. I was I
was the president of the Language Creation Society, and we
were trying to kind of build ourselves up to get
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jobs for other language creators. And it was very difficult
because honestly we were fighting against Hollywood just doing gibberish, Like,
why should we pay you anything to do this when
we can just write blah blah blah blah and be done.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Okay. So that's that's what Hollywood does. If they don't
want to pay someone like you to create a language,
they just tell the actors to do gibberish. And it's
still it still happens, and that still happens. And sometimes
sometimes they're good at it, sometimes they're not. Or is
it always poor?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh, it's always poor? Uh. Star Wars, Star Wars is
the words like, you don't have to be a linguist
to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
It's just like you Star Wars, you this is gibberish.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh yeah, all the time, my dead body. But that's
a long standing tradition for Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But it's just the type of thing where it's like
that that person just said the same thing twice and
it meant something different and we know that because of
the subtitles that were given, and so it's just like,
I don't think a language can work like that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Have you met George R. R. Martin? Yeah? When's that
large old man going to finish this next book?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So listen, I Georgia R. Martin. I really liked him
and he was really good to me, but I think
there came a point where he decided, well that's it.
I'm not going to talk to this guy anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Oh well, I just wanted to finish his next book,
so I'm not done with me.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
He is done with me. Do you are you a
big reader? Have you read the books?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Am I a big reader? I mean in that I
like the words to be written really big on a page. Yes,
but no, I'm not a big reader. And no, I've
never read any of his books.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I I uh, well, I mean I had to read
them for the for the show, just so that I
could say that i'd read them. I listened to them
as audio books.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well that's not reading.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, And it feels different, and your memory, your recall
of it is different. But it could be done while
I showered, and so that I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
You can't read the shower. You got to get one
of those de Fogger tablets. How George has two rs
in his name? What's that all about, George R. R.
That's that's a real asshole move.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
If you ask me, it's pretty coincidental that both he
and Tolkien have r R as middle names. Total coincidence, apparently.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Huh what about done? Everyone says that's an amazing book.
Was the movie good? Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, no, the movie was really good.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I mean, did you ever see that Blade Runner twenty
forty nine?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The There's no way I did. I've never seen The Godfather.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh I you know what I I saw The Godfather
and and I could recommend that that's that's it's a
fun it's a fun time.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
No, I know, it's just not my thing. It's like,
if you're I just don't. I don't have three hours
to watch this movie. And if if I do, it's like,
that's not what I'm going to do with that three hours. Sure,
it's the hand I was dealt.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, no, I got you. No Dune the first one
I saw. The first one was great. Second one, Jesse
and I worked on it together, and it's going to
feature like a ton of my language.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Wait a say, wait your language? Not Jesse. Don't get
any credit for it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay, so technically I created it right because Jesse didn't
work with me on the first one, but she worked
with me all throughout the second one, and she probably
knows knows it now better than.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Her into the deal to get her onto the show.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I will shoehorn Jesse into everything and they will thank
me afterwards because that's how good she is.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well that's what I say about my team. But they're
furious every time. God damn, we got to employ all
these assholes. How long did it take Kurt Russell to
learn Yulish Jorn Lina Vick recous.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Oh man, So that's funny. I was there for the
the voice recording for that movie, The Christmas Chronicles. He
did a pretty good job. But it's like, basically, you
just heard my audio recordings and did them. You know,
most of the actors, well most things I work on. Uhuh,
the recordings are good enough. They hear the recordings, they
do them.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
They're pretty good. So you realize that, I mean, you
know this that acting is really it's just dumb, like
they just are repeating words. But how many times do
you see the Academy Awards nominate some eight year old
girl that had never acted a day in her life
and then she's up for the highest honor of the world.
(27:53):
And that can only happen in acting.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You can say her name Anna pac when we all know.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh, I don't mean I didn't even know. I didn't
even who was talking about. But you get the point
that I'm making there. I agree, there's some great actors,
and by some I mean Christian Bale. And then like
everybody else is like, all right, we get it. You
looked the part, you know, and if you didn't look
the part, well, then put on a big nose yeah,
(28:20):
and pretend.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I really appreciate, and I should say this more to them.
I really appreciate when the actors just do the work
of listening to the recordings that I've done, listen to
the inflection that I've given it, and do their best
to make it sound believable and authentic. Most of them do.
Some of them are absolutely excellent, and then just the
one or two that are just absolutely terrible and clearly
(28:44):
think that that, you know, my job is just the
dumbest thing in the world, and they can't even believe
they're being asked to do something so embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's the embarrassing part, that is doing the made up
language versus sitting in makeup for three hours and then
playing dress up and then you know, for ten minutes
saying one stupid line forty different times and then getting
paid a shitload of money. Oh yeah, I'm so grueling. Yeah,
what actors were you referring to that are just horrible
(29:15):
and obnoxious? Go ahead and say their name. Say their
name right now.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
There's one in particular. I think you know, I shouldn't
I shouldn't say.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Okay, Well it's a hymn, so we have a hymn. Okay,
now let's get a race. Let's get a race out
of you. Do super fans of these shows and movies
ever contact you and try to debunk or tell you
that you are wrong or blah blah blah, or find
air in what language that you've created?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Sure, No.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
In fact, there was one of the most peculiar errors
that ever happened. It was the last season of Game
of Thrones, and there was a very short scene in
which Denaris, one of the main characters, asks one of
the doth Rocki.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Warriors who don't ruin it? I haven't seen it is
a minor thing, just to ask.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Just ask him taking care of one of the dragons,
how many today? Referring to how many animals did the
dragons eat? And the answer was, you know, in doth
Rocky something like, I think it was like three sheep
and eleven goats. Anyway, why I get this tweet from
somebody saying, like while the show is still airing live,
(30:25):
he says that doth Rocky didn't sound right, okay, right,
And so I go back afterwards and he was correct.
The do THRACKI was incorrect because the doth ROCKI they
asked for and that I gave them was three sheep
and eleven goats or something like that. The subtitle, which
they changed later said twelve sheep and fourteen goats. Okay,
(30:49):
So they were like, they gave me this this line,
say translate this to the rocky three sheep and elemon goats.
Whatever I translate for them, I send it back. At
some point in time in the production, someone said that's
not enough sheep and goats.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's a network person.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
They're like, nobody's gonna believe this. The fans are gonna
be like, what that's like, that's way too few sheep
and goats. But they were like, but it's not important
enough for us to go back and ask for a retranslation.
Let's just change the subtitle. It was that important to them.
How many sheeps and goats there were, but not important
enough to actually get the dethrocky correct. In fact, it
(31:27):
may have even been in post production after the line
was already done.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Here's what I learned about Game of Thrones from just
this that I never knew there's dragons in the show.
You never knew that. I never knew there was. I didn't.
I didn't know there's dragons. Yeah, I mean, maybe maybe
tell me that and maybe get interested.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Game of Thrones was for dragons what Jurassic Park was
for dinosaurs?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Are I don't. I don't like that either, stupid?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Can I Can I tell you about my favorite part
of Jurassic part? Okay, so this is at the beginning.
I don't know how well you remember this movie, but
they're at the digging up dinosaur bones for whatever reason.
There is a group of people there and he's explaining
to them like they're looking at a raptor skeleton, and
he says, look at this, see this this bone right
here looks it looks like a bird. Then from the
(32:20):
back there's this little kid who says, why should I
be afraid of that? It just looks like a big turkey. So,
first of all, I want to stop right here. Evidently
because Laura Dern and Alan Grant they share a look,
and they share a like here we go again, look
(32:40):
as if this is a very common occurrence that they
on this archaeological dig often give talks to people who
just come by, regular ass people. Often there are kids
in there, and often what the kids say, they're like,
come here thinking like dinosaurs, I'm supposed to be afraid
of these. And so then what happens is that Alan
(33:01):
Grant turns around and starts to describe in detail using
like a raptor, you know, claw of what the raptor
would do if you found him.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
He says that he would eat you, maybe slice your belly,
and the point is you would still be alive. And
at that point it's like, okay, you did it. You
frightened the child, which of course was your point as
an archaeologist, this is what you were supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, he was a smart alec and so you got
to put him in his place, I suppose. So I
think that's where they were coming from on that.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
One, But it was this is something that happens all
the time, apparent by the logic of the scene.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well, listen, don't you want to you want to talk unrealistic.
Let's let's talk about the karate kid. I just I
mean because the fact that he was in Resita and
these rich kids on the other side of the hill
and they interacted constantly, and then they're on the beach
and riding bikes back from the beach to get to Resita.
I mean, you have any idea how long of a
(33:58):
fucking bike ride that would be be taken to Panga
Jesus Christ, it'd be a four day pedal.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I never thought about that, thought about many things about
that movie, never that anyway, it just seemed far.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Now, see, David, you come on to my show, and
I appreciate every much. But then I was like, oh,
I have to give everybody a gift for coming on
the show.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
But it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well it's not, don't save it. So today I was like,
what should I give you you? I got you a
nest many by Google because I think it's perfect for
you because you can just anytime you're in your house
just say hey, Google, how do you say? And that'll
help you out. So I don't know who why I
own this, but now I don't so by the way.
(34:48):
I'm not sponsored by Google, but man, I would love
it if if you would Google sponsor me, and I'll
fucking tell people your shit is worth keeping and not
giving away.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Thank you. That that wonderful because I actually have a
couple of these things and now I can just get it.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
It looks a little sleeker than I thought, or be
honest with you, I mean, and look at hooks to Spotify.
That's great. Yeah, you and your fiance right a YouTube
channel where you'd make languages for animals or what is this? Yes?
We do, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I had this board game idea that I've been
working on for years and I like board games, love them,
so do I absolutely?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean I like some of them. I don't think.
I don't know if we'd like the same ones.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Okay, anyway, So it was just going to be a
series of anthropomorphic animals fighting each other, and in order
to do that, I was like, well, the animals need
to have names, and in order for them to have names,
they need to have languages behind them. And so I thought, well,
wouldn't it be fun if we just did this the
long form way? And what we do is for two
hours every Thursday, we sit down and we I know,
(35:52):
I know, we sit down and we start creating a language,
and we start from absolutely nothing and just go week
by week build it up, and pretty soon you see
how it's done.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
It sounds like a complicated game. I'm not going to
enjoy it. Yeah, I like, like, sorry, I don't have
to I don't have to do that symbol. But I
do enjoy Sorry, although I find I find it a
bit tedious. I don't think we need four pawns. I
think two would be plenty to speed this shitty game up.
(36:22):
I'm always reshuffling. Uh, I literally like try to like
help my son win. But anyway, you know what game
I really hate that that ticket to tickets to ride,
ticket to ticket to ride.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
You don't like ticket?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You want to know what I hate about it? What
do you hate? I hate? The board isn't very solid,
it's kind of flimsy, and then the light plastic pieces
barely stay where they're anybody bumps the table at all,
and fucking my long run is shot. I hate. I
hate the game. I'll be honest with I hate the game,
and I hate the game. That's why I like, Uh,
(36:58):
what's the game that I like Uh, it's very beautiful.
The heavy pieces. It's like the four what do you
call what's it called? Quarto? Do you ever play quarto? No?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I haven't even heard of that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Quarto's beautiful. It's a beautiful board. The pieces are beautiful
and it's it's it's really good on the mind, you know. Anyway,
whatever Quarto? I like Quarto. You play Monopoly? Deal?
Speaker 4 (37:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Oh man, you got to play Monopoly. Now that's not
a negatively board game. It's a card game. Okay, but
it's like Monopoly. But they've found a way to condense
it to where it's like ten to fifteen minute games. Oh,
and it's amazing. Oh is it amazing? Rummy cub or
do you say Rummy cube?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Remy cube?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You say rummy cube. Oh you're the expert. I'll say
Rummy Cube for the rest of my life. Now, yeah,
it's not Rummy cub it's Rummy Cube.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
And for that one, I think that we actually I
don't know if I heard somebody say it, but they
might say it in the rules.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
So yeah, there's a few things in the rules that
are debatable, okay, you know, and it usually involves the
joker and like cause like you have to or the joker.
What is it called a joker? Yeah, maybe it is,
but you have to use that tile with two from
your board. But can you end? What if you just
have one joke or left as your last tile? Can
you play it anywhere? I think you can. There's a
few things that I don't understand, right right O. Possums
(38:08):
a language for apossum, we sure do.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That was when I learned how you're insane. That was
when I learned that possum was short for a possum.
I thought that was that was the real word.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
No, there's two different ones there. It's not. Well.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
For first of all, there are two different apostums. There's
the Australian one and then the American one.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I thought there was one called possum.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
No, possum is apparently the shortening of a possum. I
thought a possum with a lengthening of possum.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I don't think it's a possome. I thought it was opossum.
I don't think you know opossum. It's not opossum. Am
I'm stupid.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's I think that sounds to me the way Wikipedia
sounds to you, By the way, is it Florida or Florida.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I don't care. How do you say in doth racky.
I'm beginning to believe that marrying you was a mistake. No,
I don't need that.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, actually have no idea.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
David. Thank you for being here. I appreciate it all
the best.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
All right, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Talk to you soon, Pasha. Well, thank you David for
being on the show. Or should I say, ny Carl,
(39:27):
did you enjoy that made up language David was talking
about Guy. Guy's a nerd. I mean in the in
the nicest way possible, but just kind of a nerd. Huh. Anyway,
A few updates for those of you that care. I
remember my car Guy Marty. I asked him if he
could find an E thirty green manual convertible mission accomplished,
(39:52):
had it for a few weeks now, Carl and I
love it. Take drives up the pH Carl keeps his
head out the window, and I'm just feverishly texting, just
praying everything goes away. Another update, Rock the Drag Queen.
(40:15):
Oh that was that was an episode that divided the nation.
Just want you to know that he did receive that
big wooden cock and he's enjoying that piece of furniture now,
I'm sure he is. Okay, time for some plugs, Boyswearpink
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(40:39):
Don't forget to tune into the Goat whenever the hell
that show comes out? What else do we have? My
tour dates coming up? Looking forward to performing in NorCal
and where else? The Midwest? Kentucky, Oh, that'll be funny, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Vegas.
(41:02):
That's not the Midwest, that's West West. Gonna be at
the Cosmopolitan, my first time there, not my first time,
my first time performing there. Okay, well you might as
well get ready to take a nap because it's time
for my son's bedtime story. See you guys next week.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
Once upon time, they were the pre round. Anyone wanted
to play down. It was so so fun, But one
of them didn't white. The only idea when they turned
white on or so sun. But and then the police kick,
the police dyed kick, and they were ducked out, and
(41:43):
and and the post got bidder and bidder and bidder
until until they had to did their home, for it
was so bad.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Got bigger the poet. The park. Yeah, the park got
bigger and bigger. Yeah, what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
That mean it what it?
Speaker 5 (42:05):
White flocked in the did and he did all the
tall But then did Biddle and Biddler?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
How was the park getting bigger and bigger?
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Wait? Wait, I don't know. Tornado tided maybe, and that
made you Biddle and Diddler And when a whole alia.
I didn't know why, I didn't know Sun.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Is this a true story?
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Yes? And don't I know?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
That's scary.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Dam
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All right, So when did you create your first language? And,
(00:20):
by the way, some of your earlier languages do you
look back on and go, oh.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Gosh, yeah, of course. But I created my first language
my second my second year at Berkeley.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I mean, do you put all the rules into it?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Absolutely? You gotta.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Do you come up with swear words? Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's usually what they asked for first?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Uh huh yeah, tashhash Tosh Show Club show.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Hello, it's me your host, Daniel, and welcome to Tosh Show.
Now hit me with some smooth jazz. That feels right. Oh,
(01:08):
I'm gonna keep going. I get it. Let it play
all right. That seems like enough. Eddie you with me?
I'm with you, good to hear. Let's start with our
favorite segment Hello from Toss Show, where I send a
personal hello to one of our subscribers. Now, this one
(01:32):
comes from Stuart. He's a fan from the United Kingdom.
WHOA That means the Toss Show is mister worldwide. That's exciting.
Stuart went through some tough times last year, but listening
to my comedy has provided some degree of comfort to him. Well,
I don't believe you, Stuart, but it's a very nice
(01:53):
thing to say. Who else we got? James in Monterey
listens with his day add on the way to school. Uh,
my dad and I used to listen to old Focus
on the Family sermons, equally impactful, I'd say, yeah, different times.
(02:16):
All right, what's going on? The oscars? Gearing up for
the Oscars? Getting so excited? What's nominated for Best Picture? Eddie?
So we've got ten of them? Well, stop there, at Eddie?
You just you said ten? Ten? Holy shit? All right,
let's see it. What do we got? We get? American
fiction didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Anatomy of a Fall.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Didn't see it. The Holdovers didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Killers of the Flower Moon didn't see it. Maestro didn't
see it. Oppenheimer didn't see it. Past Lives didn't see it.
Poor things, what was it? Poor things didn't see it?
The Zone of Interest, Oh god, it didn't see it?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Barbie. All right, that's ten. That's ten. Guess what I'm guessing.
Guess out loud, I guess, I'll loud. Guess ten. You've
seen three? I said, didn't see it. I didn't see it.
The fuck's wrong with you, idiot? I saw Barbie. I
(03:12):
saw one of the ten. This is why I could
never host for a lot of reasons, but one the
main reason is I wouldn't even want to watch these
movies to write a joke about them. I saw Barbie. Ah,
and here's what I loved about Barbie. Running time under
(03:33):
two hours. I guarantee you what's the running time on
all those movies. You don't have to tell me. I
already know too long. But I saw Barbie, and guess what.
Enjoyed it. Didn't think I was gonna enjoy it. My
wife wanting to watch it. We watched it. I was like, oh,
I love it. I love Margot Robbie. Most of you
know Margot Robbie and I would have gotten married had
(03:55):
it not been for the fact that my mother is
also named Margo, and that's a breaker. Hey, guess what
I just learned what the other day, I had this
pondering question and I was like, you know, I'm going
to look this up and see if it's a thing,
and sure, shit, it is. Some people when they floss
(04:16):
their teeth, I'm one of them. When you floss your teeth,
your nose itches. And I was like, this has to
be a thing, because every time I floss my nose
really itches. And apparently, according to this one study that
was done that there's some wires in your brain that
get mixed up when you're flossing, and it makes you
(04:38):
think your nose itches. Isn't that interesting? That is? I
thought it was? What was I talking about? The oscars?
That's the problem. This is the biggest night in Hollywood,
and I'm way more fascinated by my nose itching while
flossing my teeth. No, I'm sure those movies were great
and the people, you know, they did a lot of
(04:58):
hard work to make them. So there's nine movie or
did you see any of those movies? How many of
the ten did you see? Eddie two point five? Oh?
Which one of those did you turn off halfway through? Openheimer? Oppenheimer?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's Oppenheimer. I think we all agree it's Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer. Hey,
I'll tell you what you should do instead of watching Oppenheimer,
watch John Wick four twice and thank me later. Let's
get this show on the road. If you watch the
Oscars this weekend, you won't see today's guest. He works
on movies and is the best at what he does,
(05:36):
but the Oscars don't have a category for it, probably
because his job is too stupid. Enjoy Pasha, my guest today,
has created languages for Game of Thrones, Dune, and dozens
of other things I've never seen. He's a nightmare to
play scrabble with and has my favorite made up job.
(06:00):
Please welcome David. David, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Thank you for having me. By the way, I haven't
even seen everything that I've worked on.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well, you know what, I always hate to say this
to people. I hate to be completely honest when it
comes to movies and things like that. I haven't seen
a lot and I don't enjoy watching a ton of stuff.
Sometimes i'll watch them, I'm like, oh, that was good,
that was great, but like, yes, I've never seen a
frame of Game of Thrones and it's not my thing.
(06:28):
But people always think I'm saying it because I think, oh,
I'm too cool to watch TV. No, I could, you know,
I could watch the Kardashians. I'll just put that on.
I'll find it interesting for a little bit. I guess
I like to watch sports. What am I gonna do?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I am?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Who I am?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, I get that. I think that of all the
things that I've worked on, the only things I would
have watched probably are the Marvel movies, just because you know,
it was a big thing to go out and see
the Marvel movies and Elemental the Pixar movie, because I
like watching the Pixar movies. Other than that, probably would
not have watched anything that I worked on, just on
my own.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You were a part of Elemental, Oh you bet so.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's Jesse, my my fiance. We both worked on it.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Your names, that's easy day.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Elemental As has a place in my heart really because
it's the first movie that I took my son to
see in a theater. Oh. We like wait, we we
like wait. We looked at the lineup of what was
coming out, and we've like Elemental that's gonna be the one.
And it was his first It was a big day.
We built it up for like months and months, and
(07:35):
we went to a theater and it was. It was
like it was the cutest thing in the world watching it.
So now I care about that movie for the rest
of my life. So you are a conno lingus? Am
I saying that? Right? Con? What is it?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It's not Conda Langer or conn Langer?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Con Linger con lang Linger?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Is that a? Is that a real thing? It is? Now?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's in the Oxford English Dictionary. We got it in there.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I have so many questions, but my first question that
I ask all my guests, do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Absolutely not? And I want to go on record and
make sure that everybody knows, No, I do not believe
in ghosts, not one bit. However, I am absolutely terrified
of them.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh that's the right answer. Thank you. How do I
get into this bullshit career of yours? You make up languages?
First of all, I want to you're highly educated, allegedly
fairly like, did you really go to Berkeley? Because I
don't believe you? And I'll tell you why, sure, just
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because I feel like you're in a profession. It's not
like you're the governor. They're not going to really check,
like they could just be anything written on your Wikipedia
page and I'm taking it as gospel. Yeah, but you're
saying you did go enough.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I've got some photographs, but no, Like, it's an interesting
point you about language specifically when it comes to not checking,
because language is the type of thing where it's different
from anything else that's going to be on a television
show or a movie. Right, If you're making a physical
prop for a movie or a television show, what it
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needs to do is it needs to look real on screen.
It doesn't matter that the throne made out of swords
on Game of Thrones wasn't actually made out of melted
down swords if it looks like it was, and in fact,
it was three D printed, but it doesn't matter because
it looks like swords on screen. And that's fine. A language, though,
and this isn't just a created language I'm talking about
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any language. Languages aren't real things.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right, They're all eventually are at some point. We're just
made up.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, And not only that, they don't exist anywhere. Like, So,
if you think about English right now, we're both speaking it,
we both understand it, but it's not as if it's somewhere,
you know, It's not as if English exists somewhere and
we can go check to see if what we said
is really English. You know, it's just English, if basically
you understand what I'm saying, and we both agree that
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we're speaking speaking English of other people agree and understand,
and so there's no way to check or verify. That's
something I use it.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I always use my phone for a word and in
Google like, lets me know if I'm enunciating it properly.
Then it the other day with inclement inclement weather, do
you say inclement or inclement? You say inclement.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
No, that's another plausible way of saying it wrong. I'm thinking,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I don't know inclement, it's inclement, I don't know clement.
It's bizarre. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
It's bizarre because the truth of it, it's not like
any of them is actually right or wrong. It's really
just a percentage. So there is a percentage of people
that say superfluous instead of superfluous, okay, and that percentage
is probably higher than people that's that say in clement
versus inclement.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But on the other hand, envelope envelope saying either one,
it's more likely to be considered right by most people.
It's not like one of them is incorrect.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
How does this get back to the fact that I
don't think you went to Berkeley? Good? Did anybody ever
verify like your background? I'm just saying like that because
you did. You know, this is Hollywood. Nobody verifies what
I'm saying. Yeah, so you.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Have heard of dialoge coaches.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Are there lies on your Wikipedia page or things that
aren't true? There isn't mine?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Shoot, okay, let me let me think there there. Certainly
there certainly was at one point in time. I put
my birth date on Wikipedia because I often forge a Wikipedia.
What do you say?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Wikipedia? Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Wow? Do you also say Pokemon?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I don't ever say that, because I'm a fucking adult.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
No, I'm definitely a Wikipedia person.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Am I supposed to say Wikipedia? I say Wikipedia? Oh? Yes,
I I I always ask because I know, oh you know,
I have a Florida public school education. I know the
hand that I was apology, and I know I say
things wrong all the time, so I always stop when
somebody says something different. I'm like, wait, am I saying it?
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So I'm supposed to be saying Wikipedia?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, supposed to is a weird thing. I would
say more Americans probably say Wikipedia, I guess, which just
shows how mainstream it is.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Let's get into the language stuff. So how many languages
can you actually speak? And I'm not talking bullshit ones I.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Don't know, like the ones that I feel good about,
just speaking little bits of.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Tiny bits, probably five six. Okay, this, I mean that's impressive,
but not like, oh my goodness, now it's not all right.
So when did you create your first language? And by
the way, some of your earlier languages do you look
back on and.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Go ooh, oh, goshyah, of course. But I created my
first language my second my second year at Berkeley. I
had been studying Arabic in Russian the first year, and
I had to stop both of them because the next
Arabic course is going to be offered at nine in
the morning, which is way too early, and the next
Russian course is going to be offered it eight in
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the morning, which is just even earlier than too early.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And so you were like, like, I don't want to
learn Russian or Arabic because of the time of day
that it was taught. Yes, Instead, I'm going to focus
on Klingon.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I started studying linguistics, which was really cool. And really
fascinating because it's a scientific study of all languages, and
so you don't focus on learning anyone language, you learn
the patterns behind them. It was a lot of fun.
I really took to it very easily. I did miss
the language study, though, and so part of what I
did was I started creating my own language to kind
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of incorporate elements of languages that I missed. Arabic in particular.
Loved the Arabic language. Oh it's just a lifehole, so scary,
ah really not really Grammatically it works like nothing else
I'd ever seen.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But jive? Do you speak jive?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
She me?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Then?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
How came up?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Me?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Messing?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
My old lady got to be running cool upside down?
Is he not a language? It's more of a well, okay,
hold on, how dare you When we say when we
say not a language, it's kind of like saying, like,
is American English a language? The answer is yes, of
course it is, but it's not a separate language from English.
Al told you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So it's like any type of a dialect, you know,
is that a language? Like, of course it's a language.
It's an instantiation of a language, but that dialect is
not going to be a separate language from another dialect.
That's why it's called a dialect.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Talking in tongues.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, haamalana lel.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Are you jealous of them? No?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That's I mean, it's just complete bullshit, all right? What Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Absolutely, you kidd me though. That's a beautiful language. Can
you decipher someone that's talking in tongues?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, here's the thing. You can actually tell if somebody
is talking in tongues, if they're if their native language
is English, if their native language is French, and so
on and so forth. Because it's basically a gibberish, but
gibberish itself has patterns to it.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I was gonna speak a lot of gibberish to you
during this interview, but I won't.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Do.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You want to know why, because all of my gibberish
tends to start to head very Asian for some reason,
and I don't I don't want to do it. Yeah,
I don't know why it does it. But when I
speak gibberish, all of a sudden, it's like, I'm surprised
you haven't been canceled, because it does seem like every
made up language kind of teeters on a little racist. No, No,
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I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Now I will say this, the people that I create
languages for often tend towards some sort of racist definitely.
I usually try to kind of rescue it by putting
a language in there that is more or less realistic.
And the truth is that, I mean, languages themselves, they
don't have any characteristics that you know, that reflect anything
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about a race or region of people. I mean there's
the vocabulary items themselves, right, but nothing about the nunciation,
nothing about the grammar. All of that is just kind
of cultureless.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Really, did you know that this was what you were
going to do? Had you met anyone that had done
this before?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, I like many people I think before like two
thousand and nine, really, or many people who created languages.
Were they independently invented the idea. Some had heard about Tolkien,
some had heard about Klingon. I hadn't happened to so,
so like many others, I kind of independently invented the
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idea of creating my own language. It was fun, and
then when I met others, I was like, ah, crap,
Now I don't have a corner on the market.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And are others there, tons of thousands. Are any of
them successful in what regard making a living somebody giving
you more than a dollar?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
No, I don't think anybody else has ever made a
living doing this. There's certainly other people that have been
paid to do it. Yeah, and it's and it's growing.
It's a growing field. But I don't think anybody before
me actually made a living creating.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Like, can AI just take your job away from you?
Can AI do like just made up stuff?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
AI can take anybody's job if the person employing them
values the AI over a human being. So it's like,
if you think about like writers in Hollywood, it's like, well,
if the producer doesn't care, absolutely, AI can take a
writer's job. If they care even the slightest amount, they'll
see what the AI is producing is chipperish.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, And I stand with with the producers as a rule,
whoever is writing the check, that's who I stand with.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
But you know, they've been doing gibberish for created languages
ever since Hollywood has existed. They're still doing it with
Star Wars in the Star Wars universe. They love their gibberish.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Well, let me let me talk some dollars, Okay, because
I need to know this and I need you to
answer it honestly. If you if you feel like you don't,
you can. You don't have to do your own personal experience.
But yeah, a real, real big budget television show hires
you to create a language. They can pay whatever. What's
the rate to come up with a language?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I've never met. I've never worked on a television show
or movie that wasn't strapped for cash. It was just
like in negotiations with them, it would be like, oh gosh,
and I tell you, we just the budget. It's just
so constrained. We don't have a lot of money for
right now. Every single one was absolutely destitute and.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
There's no union to protect you for god. Now, okay,
well give me a ballparker what I can think? You
know what? I could go in as an asking.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Price anywhere from like four hundred dollars to like one hundred.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Thousand, and as for the whole project.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, and everything in between. There's absolutely no consistency.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But about one hundred thousand, could that be a project
that only takes you a month to do?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, that's an interesting question. So when it comes to
create a language, I mean theoretically, theoretically right, you could
just do it instantly, right, because language only exists in
your mind, and so if you can come up with
all of this stuff and it coheres and you can
remember it, right, you can just create a language just
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by snapping your fingers. The problem, Yeah, the problem is
will you remember that seven months from now? Yeah, and
so and so. Where where the time comes in is
recording all of this stuff so that you can reproduce
it and others can reproduce it and it remains consistent.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I mean, how do you put all the rules into it?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Absolutely, you gotta do you come up with swear words?
Oh that's usually what they asked for first?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Uh huh, yeah, racist terms? Do you do that?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
On Defiance?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I did Jongushi I.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Defiance was a great project, but where I created four
different languages, four different writing systems. It was a whole
bunch of different aliens that existed on Earth because they
basically all crashed landed there and so like everybody spoke
each other's languages or little bits of it. You know,
there were there were swear terms. There absolutely were, like
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racist terms for the other aliens from other aliens from humans.
It was great.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
What about the N word? Did you ever have to
come up with something for it?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I mean, not that specifically.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
No, Okay, yeah, well I was just curious as I
got to put it on my list of do not
ever say or rap? Right, do you hate pooty Tang
because you weren't involved in that movie.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Shane, I'm trying a complete blank.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You don't remember Pooty Tang Sippy on the run of Haigh.
This was nineties, right, No, it was Luis c. K
did it with Chris Rock. They produced it. But it
was a he spoke his own language, He had his
belt and he would whip bitches. This is a was
this early two thousands in it might be two thousand
and one Tang came out.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
God, I was getting it confused with with bowfinger for
a minute.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
No, no, no, was all about a made up language. You've
never even watched it, No, David, you should definitely watch
Pooti Dang. I mean just just I think comedically because
it was so it was like such a disaster, like
it did so bad and then it became you know,
whenever they try to pretend that movies are uh, you know,
good afterwards. But Valerian, which one's that that was one
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of the languages from Game of Thrones. Can you speak
all of these languages perfectly?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Or no? I mean I can pronounce it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
My name is Daniel. Can you say that in Valerian?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Let's see you have BROSI Daniel, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
That sounds beautiful, sounds like Italian.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I can do it. I can do it like
you know orkishy too, you have pros. There you go,
that's beautiful. That's neat too, because I made a dual
lingo for that one dual lingo course.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Now, so let's forget my name is Daniel, and let's
talk about the fact that we can download an app
and we can put in your languages into them.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Just Ti Valerian, yeah, High Valerian. Uh yeah, oh god,
hey I didn't make that up. George R. Martin did.
And by the way, and that and that, by the
way is kind of bs. So there's there's this German.
One of the dialects is called High German. But it's
not called High German because it's fancy or precious or something.
That's because it was literally spoken at a higher elevation.
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I thought you were going to just do a salute there.
That was literally what it was. Well, I know, I
didn't know what you're doing, was like all right, or
rather fine, you're gonna you're gonna edit this terribly for me,
aren't you No?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I again, you you were fine. It was it was
where I went that was wrong. How did you How
did you sell Jesse on this this bullshit career?
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I know, so Jesse was.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Jesse was so she decided to start creating languages on
her own. Like many people, good grief, two of you
under one roof. There's so many, There's so many. But
she was a professor of linguistics for for many years.
And actually it was pretty funny at the time. Like
when I first met her or or knew about her,
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I absolutely despised her. She didn't know this, yeah, because
she won't listen to this. She was, that's fine, but
she so she had contacted me. I was involved with
the Language Creation Society at the time. I was I
was the president of the Language Creation Society, and we
were trying to kind of build ourselves up to get
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jobs for other language creators. And it was very difficult
because honestly we were fighting against Hollywood just doing gibberish, Like,
why should we pay you anything to do this when
we can just write blah blah blah blah and be done.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Okay. So that's that's what Hollywood does. If they don't
want to pay someone like you to create a language,
they just tell the actors to do gibberish. And it's
still it still happens, and that still happens. And sometimes
sometimes they're good at it, sometimes they're not. Or is
it always poor?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh, it's always poor? Uh. Star Wars, Star Wars is
the words like, you don't have to be a linguist
to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
It's just like you Star Wars, you this is gibberish.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh yeah, all the time, my dead body. But that's
a long standing tradition for Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But it's just the type of thing where it's like
that that person just said the same thing twice and
it meant something different and we know that because of
the subtitles that were given, and so it's just like,
I don't think a language can work like that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Have you met George R. R. Martin? Yeah? When's that
large old man going to finish this next book?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So listen, I Georgia R. Martin. I really liked him
and he was really good to me, but I think
there came a point where he decided, well that's it.
I'm not going to talk to this guy anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Oh well, I just wanted to finish his next book,
so I'm not done with me.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
He is done with me. Do you are you a
big reader? Have you read the books?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Am I a big reader? I mean in that I
like the words to be written really big on a page. Yes,
but no, I'm not a big reader. And no, I've
never read any of his books.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I I uh, well, I mean I had to read
them for the for the show, just so that I
could say that i'd read them. I listened to them
as audio books.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well that's not reading.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, And it feels different, and your memory, your recall
of it is different. But it could be done while
I showered, and so that I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
You can't read the shower. You got to get one
of those de Fogger tablets. How George has two rs
in his name? What's that all about, George R. R.
That's that's a real asshole move.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
If you ask me, it's pretty coincidental that both he
and Tolkien have r R as middle names. Total coincidence, apparently.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Huh what about done? Everyone says that's an amazing book.
Was the movie good? Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, no, the movie was really good.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I mean, did you ever see that Blade Runner twenty
forty nine?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The There's no way I did. I've never seen The Godfather.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh I you know what I I saw The Godfather
and and I could recommend that that's that's it's a
fun it's a fun time.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
No, I know, it's just not my thing. It's like,
if you're I just don't. I don't have three hours
to watch this movie. And if if I do, it's like,
that's not what I'm going to do with that three hours. Sure,
it's the hand I was dealt.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, no, I got you. No Dune the first one
I saw. The first one was great. Second one, Jesse
and I worked on it together, and it's going to
feature like a ton of my language.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Wait a say, wait your language? Not Jesse. Don't get
any credit for it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay, so technically I created it right because Jesse didn't
work with me on the first one, but she worked
with me all throughout the second one, and she probably
knows knows it now better than.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Her into the deal to get her onto the show.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I will shoehorn Jesse into everything and they will thank
me afterwards because that's how good she is.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well that's what I say about my team. But they're
furious every time. God damn, we got to employ all
these assholes. How long did it take Kurt Russell to
learn Yulish Jorn Lina Vick recous.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Oh man, So that's funny. I was there for the
the voice recording for that movie, The Christmas Chronicles. He
did a pretty good job. But it's like, basically, you
just heard my audio recordings and did them. You know,
most of the actors, well most things I work on. Uhuh,
the recordings are good enough. They hear the recordings, they
do them.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
They're pretty good. So you realize that, I mean, you
know this that acting is really it's just dumb, like
they just are repeating words. But how many times do
you see the Academy Awards nominate some eight year old
girl that had never acted a day in her life
and then she's up for the highest honor of the world.
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And that can only happen in acting.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You can say her name Anna pac when we all know.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh, I don't mean I didn't even know. I didn't
even who was talking about. But you get the point
that I'm making there. I agree, there's some great actors,
and by some I mean Christian Bale. And then like
everybody else is like, all right, we get it. You
looked the part, you know, and if you didn't look
the part, well, then put on a big nose yeah,
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and pretend.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I really appreciate, and I should say this more to them.
I really appreciate when the actors just do the work
of listening to the recordings that I've done, listen to
the inflection that I've given it, and do their best
to make it sound believable and authentic. Most of them do.
Some of them are absolutely excellent, and then just the
one or two that are just absolutely terrible and clearly
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think that that, you know, my job is just the
dumbest thing in the world, and they can't even believe
they're being asked to do something so embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's the embarrassing part, that is doing the made up
language versus sitting in makeup for three hours and then
playing dress up and then you know, for ten minutes
saying one stupid line forty different times and then getting
paid a shitload of money. Oh yeah, I'm so grueling. Yeah,
what actors were you referring to that are just horrible
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and obnoxious? Go ahead and say their name. Say their
name right now.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
There's one in particular. I think you know, I shouldn't
I shouldn't say.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Okay, Well it's a hymn, so we have a hymn. Okay,
now let's get a race. Let's get a race out
of you. Do super fans of these shows and movies
ever contact you and try to debunk or tell you
that you are wrong or blah blah blah, or find
air in what language that you've created?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Sure, No.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
In fact, there was one of the most peculiar errors
that ever happened. It was the last season of Game
of Thrones, and there was a very short scene in
which Denaris, one of the main characters, asks one of
the doth Rocki.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Warriors who don't ruin it? I haven't seen it is
a minor thing, just to ask.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Just ask him taking care of one of the dragons,
how many today? Referring to how many animals did the
dragons eat? And the answer was, you know, in doth
Rocky something like, I think it was like three sheep
and eleven goats. Anyway, why I get this tweet from
somebody saying, like while the show is still airing live,
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he says that doth Rocky didn't sound right, okay, right,
And so I go back afterwards and he was correct.
The do THRACKI was incorrect because the doth ROCKI they
asked for and that I gave them was three sheep
and eleven goats or something like that. The subtitle, which
they changed later said twelve sheep and fourteen goats. Okay,
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So they were like, they gave me this this line,
say translate this to the rocky three sheep and elemon goats.
Whatever I translate for them, I send it back. At
some point in time in the production, someone said that's
not enough sheep and goats.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's a network person.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
They're like, nobody's gonna believe this. The fans are gonna
be like, what that's like, that's way too few sheep
and goats. But they were like, but it's not important
enough for us to go back and ask for a retranslation.
Let's just change the subtitle. It was that important to them.
How many sheeps and goats there were, but not important
enough to actually get the dethrocky correct. In fact, it
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may have even been in post production after the line
was already done.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Here's what I learned about Game of Thrones from just
this that I never knew there's dragons in the show.
You never knew that. I never knew there was. I didn't.
I didn't know there's dragons. Yeah, I mean, maybe maybe
tell me that and maybe get interested.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Game of Thrones was for dragons what Jurassic Park was
for dinosaurs?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Are I don't. I don't like that either, stupid?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Can I Can I tell you about my favorite part
of Jurassic part? Okay, so this is at the beginning.
I don't know how well you remember this movie, but
they're at the digging up dinosaur bones for whatever reason.
There is a group of people there and he's explaining
to them like they're looking at a raptor skeleton, and
he says, look at this, see this this bone right
here looks it looks like a bird. Then from the
(32:20):
back there's this little kid who says, why should I
be afraid of that? It just looks like a big turkey. So,
first of all, I want to stop right here. Evidently
because Laura Dern and Alan Grant they share a look,
and they share a like here we go again, look
(32:40):
as if this is a very common occurrence that they
on this archaeological dig often give talks to people who
just come by, regular ass people. Often there are kids
in there, and often what the kids say, they're like,
come here thinking like dinosaurs, I'm supposed to be afraid
of these. And so then what happens is that Alan
(33:01):
Grant turns around and starts to describe in detail using
like a raptor, you know, claw of what the raptor
would do if you found him.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
He says that he would eat you, maybe slice your belly,
and the point is you would still be alive. And
at that point it's like, okay, you did it. You
frightened the child, which of course was your point as
an archaeologist, this is what you were supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, he was a smart alec and so you got
to put him in his place, I suppose. So I
think that's where they were coming from on that.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
One, But it was this is something that happens all
the time, apparent by the logic of the scene.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well, listen, don't you want to you want to talk unrealistic.
Let's let's talk about the karate kid. I just I
mean because the fact that he was in Resita and
these rich kids on the other side of the hill
and they interacted constantly, and then they're on the beach
and riding bikes back from the beach to get to Resita.
I mean, you have any idea how long of a
(33:58):
fucking bike ride that would be be taken to Panga
Jesus Christ, it'd be a four day pedal.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I never thought about that, thought about many things about
that movie, never that anyway, it just seemed far.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Now, see, David, you come on to my show, and
I appreciate every much. But then I was like, oh,
I have to give everybody a gift for coming on
the show.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
But it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well it's not, don't save it. So today I was like,
what should I give you you? I got you a
nest many by Google because I think it's perfect for
you because you can just anytime you're in your house
just say hey, Google, how do you say? And that'll
help you out. So I don't know who why I
own this, but now I don't so by the way.
(34:48):
I'm not sponsored by Google, but man, I would love
it if if you would Google sponsor me, and I'll
fucking tell people your shit is worth keeping and not
giving away.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Thank you. That that wonderful because I actually have a
couple of these things and now I can just get it.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
It looks a little sleeker than I thought, or be
honest with you, I mean, and look at hooks to Spotify.
That's great. Yeah, you and your fiance right a YouTube
channel where you'd make languages for animals or what is this? Yes?
We do, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I had this board game idea that I've been
working on for years and I like board games, love them,
so do I absolutely?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean I like some of them. I don't think.
I don't know if we'd like the same ones.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Okay, anyway, So it was just going to be a
series of anthropomorphic animals fighting each other, and in order
to do that, I was like, well, the animals need
to have names, and in order for them to have names,
they need to have languages behind them. And so I thought, well,
wouldn't it be fun if we just did this the
long form way? And what we do is for two
hours every Thursday, we sit down and we I know,
(35:52):
I know, we sit down and we start creating a language,
and we start from absolutely nothing and just go week
by week build it up, and pretty soon you see
how it's done.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
It sounds like a complicated game. I'm not going to
enjoy it. Yeah, I like, like, sorry, I don't have
to I don't have to do that symbol. But I
do enjoy Sorry, although I find I find it a
bit tedious. I don't think we need four pawns. I
think two would be plenty to speed this shitty game up.
(36:22):
I'm always reshuffling. Uh, I literally like try to like
help my son win. But anyway, you know what game
I really hate that that ticket to tickets to ride,
ticket to ticket to ride.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
You don't like ticket?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You want to know what I hate about it? What
do you hate? I hate? The board isn't very solid,
it's kind of flimsy, and then the light plastic pieces
barely stay where they're anybody bumps the table at all,
and fucking my long run is shot. I hate. I
hate the game. I'll be honest with I hate the game,
and I hate the game. That's why I like, Uh,
(36:58):
what's the game that I like Uh, it's very beautiful.
The heavy pieces. It's like the four what do you
call what's it called? Quarto? Do you ever play quarto? No?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I haven't even heard of that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Quarto's beautiful. It's a beautiful board. The pieces are beautiful
and it's it's it's really good on the mind, you know. Anyway,
whatever Quarto? I like Quarto. You play Monopoly? Deal?
Speaker 4 (37:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Oh man, you got to play Monopoly. Now that's not
a negatively board game. It's a card game. Okay, but
it's like Monopoly. But they've found a way to condense
it to where it's like ten to fifteen minute games. Oh,
and it's amazing. Oh is it amazing? Rummy cub or
do you say Rummy cube?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Remy cube?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You say rummy cube. Oh you're the expert. I'll say
Rummy Cube for the rest of my life. Now, yeah,
it's not Rummy cub it's Rummy Cube.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
And for that one, I think that we actually I
don't know if I heard somebody say it, but they
might say it in the rules.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
So yeah, there's a few things in the rules that
are debatable, okay, you know, and it usually involves the
joker and like cause like you have to or the joker.
What is it called a joker? Yeah, maybe it is,
but you have to use that tile with two from
your board. But can you end? What if you just
have one joke or left as your last tile? Can
you play it anywhere? I think you can. There's a
few things that I don't understand, right right O. Possums
(38:08):
a language for apossum, we sure do.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That was when I learned how you're insane. That was
when I learned that possum was short for a possum.
I thought that was that was the real word.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
No, there's two different ones there. It's not. Well.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
For first of all, there are two different apostums. There's
the Australian one and then the American one.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I thought there was one called possum.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
No, possum is apparently the shortening of a possum. I
thought a possum with a lengthening of possum.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I don't think it's a possome. I thought it was opossum.
I don't think you know opossum. It's not opossum. Am
I'm stupid.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's I think that sounds to me the way Wikipedia
sounds to you, By the way, is it Florida or Florida.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I don't care. How do you say in doth racky.
I'm beginning to believe that marrying you was a mistake. No,
I don't need that.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, actually have no idea.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
David. Thank you for being here. I appreciate it all
the best.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
All right, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Talk to you soon, Pasha. Well, thank you David for
being on the show. Or should I say, ny Carl,
(39:27):
did you enjoy that made up language David was talking
about Guy. Guy's a nerd. I mean in the in
the nicest way possible, but just kind of a nerd. Huh. Anyway,
A few updates for those of you that care. I
remember my car Guy Marty. I asked him if he
could find an E thirty green manual convertible mission accomplished,
(39:52):
had it for a few weeks now, Carl and I
love it. Take drives up the pH Carl keeps his
head out the window, and I'm just feverishly texting, just
praying everything goes away. Another update, Rock the Drag Queen.
(40:15):
Oh that was that was an episode that divided the nation.
Just want you to know that he did receive that
big wooden cock and he's enjoying that piece of furniture now,
I'm sure he is. Okay, time for some plugs, Boyswearpink
dot Com, my charitable clothing line for toddlers. Check that out.
(40:39):
Don't forget to tune into the Goat whenever the hell
that show comes out? What else do we have? My
tour dates coming up? Looking forward to performing in NorCal
and where else? The Midwest? Kentucky, Oh, that'll be funny, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Vegas.
(41:02):
That's not the Midwest, that's West West. Gonna be at
the Cosmopolitan, my first time there, not my first time,
my first time performing there. Okay, well you might as
well get ready to take a nap because it's time
for my son's bedtime story. See you guys next week.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
Once upon time, they were the pre round. Anyone wanted
to play down. It was so so fun, But one
of them didn't white. The only idea when they turned
white on or so sun. But and then the police kick,
the police dyed kick, and they were ducked out, and
(41:43):
and and the post got bidder and bidder and bidder
until until they had to did their home, for it
was so bad.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Got bigger the poet. The park. Yeah, the park got
bigger and bigger. Yeah, what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
That mean it what it?
Speaker 5 (42:05):
White flocked in the did and he did all the
tall But then did Biddle and Biddler?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
How was the park getting bigger and bigger?
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Wait? Wait, I don't know. Tornado tided maybe, and that
made you Biddle and Diddler And when a whole alia.
I didn't know why, I didn't know Sun.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Is this a true story?
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Yes? And don't I know?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
That's scary.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Dam
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