July 8, 2025 • 57 mins
I LOVE HER WITH ALL MY HEART. Litigate for classical classism, shared cousins' quarters, and Georgian-era jawlines. The person most confused by the film this week was: every wig.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Toss Popcorn is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Sianta Jacob and I'm Leanna Holsten.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And welcome to Toss Popcorn, the podcast where two idiots
watched every film on the AFI's one hundred Greatest American
Movies of All Time, the Very Slightly Less Racist tenth
Anniversary Edition, and are now watching movies directed by women. Baby.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
This podcast is a safe society for people who don't
know anything about movies. Today we are watching Bell.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I love that. I love that with every bread I read.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Warning, there will be spoilers about this recent but set
in the past. Oh film, so true, Thank you so true?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Girl? Did you know anything about this movie? M m?
In fact, okay, Bil, I think we should play my prediction.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh hell yeah, I'd love to hear Sianna your prediction
for the movie Bell.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, Hi, Leanna, this is Sienna. I'm about to watch Bell.
I actually don't know what this movie is. I'm not
sure i've heard of it inside, So I'm gonna go
ahead and guess. It's about a girl in the snow.
(01:26):
There's gonna be snow and a woman well, and the
woman falls in love. Two for someone dies two for four.
I love you goodbye. Ah, I really just went.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I love that you were sure on snow.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I just I really, I just went for it. Leanna,
had you uh did you know about this movie?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No? But I had seen at least the poster.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, that would have helped me.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I remember hearing about it maybe when it came out,
maybe some of them of years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right, and you are in England, so I'm sure they're
talking about it often. Oh, Leanna, I'd love to hear
your prediction. Yes, here it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Is, Hey Sienna, good morning, Okay, Leanna, I'm about to
watch Bell vaguely.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
A'm aware that this is a period piece.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I think it's about a black woman being in high
society in England during perhaps the nineteenth century, early nineteenth
perhaps late eighteenth.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yes, even I predict Oh, people are going to be racist,
and hopefully that's very That's really what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know, uplifting in well and good gowns, beautiful gowns.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, okay, that what you said it you said, sister, Well,
you basically just said my synopsis. But we can't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
We can't do that yet, even if it would make
sense to do it. In that order, But then when
would we Hay, girl, hey girl, girl, I have accidentally
subscribed to a pasta delivery service.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Please tell me more, Oh, please tell me more.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, back in February, okay, I was doing my fortnightly
walk to pick up the post that comes to our
office's registered address, which is a different office, and on
the way back there was a pop up where they
said would you like to try some freshly made pasta?
And I said, obviously, yes, it's two pm in February,
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which means it's nearly dark outside. I'm gonna need some pasta.
It was delish, and then they, of course tried to
sell me on their service, and I said, well, unfortunately,
my hands are full of the mail. I've got to
go back to work, but thank you for the pasta.
Yesterday July, I was doing my fortnightly walk to pick
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up the mail from the other office, and on the
way back, who should appear but a sprightly young man
saying hello, would you like to try some freshly made pasta?
And I said, well, my god, it's good to see
you again. Had one piece of delicious ravioli, and then, unfortunately,
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what I thought was just creating an account to maybe
you know, later on down the line. One off purchase
a box was in fact certainly paying for a subscription
to a pasta delivery service. And it's well, I just
don't know. And now what I need to do on
(04:58):
what I've been avoiding doing is logging into my account,
the password of which I of course don't remember, because
I created it on the spot and it was panicking
and you.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Had pasta on the mind.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You had pasta on the mind, and I have to
go in and see. I know on Wednesday, I will
be receiving a box of well freshly made pasta.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Which I don't mind.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I think that's really a delicious thing. And they make
it that morning, which is very cool. They deliver amazing,
I think it is.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But I can't do this every week.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Ah yeah, I don't know how many times I'll be
receiving fresh pasta.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's great week. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I'm not in that tax bracket, right, you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
What I mean. I can't beat that's such a son.
I don't know what happened. I just I wanted them
to be happy. I get it.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And twice now they've given me delicious pasta so I said, okay,
fair enough.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
On the bright side, you'll have one expensive month of
delicious pasta. Yeah yeah, but it was forty percent off.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Oh and so it it averages out to be like
six pounds per meal. It's two servings, two meals worth. Anyway,
that's me, girl, It's me Strega Nona. But you know,
the modern capitalist version I love. That's amazing, hey girl.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, maybe that's why they started the business, because they
just someone there's a witch out there who keeps making
too much pasta. I need to sell this stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That is such a capitalist It's like, we're not gonna
give this away for free. Yah, let's monetize Streganna with
a really tweet off weekly delivery service. Yeah, I got
Strega Nona. Oh my god, it's literally called Nona Tonda.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You got Nonatonda? No, no tondo. I don't know. I
don't speak Italian. I'm really sorry. Hey girl, Hey girl,
let's see my updates. Well, it's fourth of julame over
here in the US.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Ass hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh. And we're all torn between like absolutely not selling
celebrating the US absolutely not. But I want to have
fun with my community and friends because they're still giving
everybody the day off, and it's like, well, we need
community now more than ever. Yeah, so anyway, everybody's really
(07:37):
tense over here. M M. Certain bills were passed whatever. Yeah,
but I'm going to Lake Arrowhead today. Beautiful my friends.
We thought I was like, my friend has his parents
have a lake house there. They don't have a lake house,
it's their home, but they live in Lake Arrowhead. So
(07:58):
we're gonna be like, his parents are going to be
there and yeah nice, and we're just gonna be like
inconveniencing his parents, which him and his brother are there,
so I'm sure they'll be They're very welcoming, I'm sure.
But it's it's for some reason that's extremely funny to me.
It's like, oh yeah, totally, it's definitely different. We're gonna
be treating it like this is like to be a
(08:20):
little polite. Yeah, this is my home. Besides that, I've
been building a cat puppet for the last week.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And what size, how big it to a normal cat.
It's like, Okay, Santa's hands are so far apart from
each other that this would be like a tiger.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's like this, it's a young tiger. It's like this,
but but it's like standing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's like a promorphic okay, but still like bigger than
a house cat.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We would say, yeah, bigger than a house cat. It's
it's for a children's music video. It's like this, This
band that does yeah J often making music video. These
adults are making music that kids like. Ok And they're
making some music videos. And there's one called Dancing with
(09:08):
My Cat. So I made a cat for it. It
was good practice to try some new techniques. Yeah, I
learned many things. It's actually one of the better things
that I've made. However, now that it's done, I'm like,
oh no, I hate this. I objectively am proud of
the work I did. God, but like the aesthetic of
(09:30):
a furry cat puppet is not what I enjoy just
generally in okay, you know what I mean. Like, I'm like, well,
this is done, and I guess this is it, and
now like this is a thing that I own. I
own this. It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's really funny to be like creating a portfolio of
things you hate.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Constantly conflicted by my life, as we know.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Besides that, well, my God, speaking of someone who was
constantly conflicting life.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I understood her perfectly.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, in exactly the same way. Yes, Sienna, could you
please give us a synopsis of the.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Film Bell, Yes, Bell, Di Do Dough Dido. Bell is
half black in eighteenth century England and no one is
chill about it. The rare situation. End. It brings up
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questions of class versus race in this very class obsessed,
very white, old ass society. The end. If we were
going to do historical context of any sort, they're talking
(10:55):
about the well.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Mama, what what historical context? Try this book that I
read a few months ago. No one talks about this
case that's in.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
The movie the song.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
The song case judged by Lord Mansfield is Insane on
pages two hundred four and two hundred and five of
the book Black and British by David Olusoga.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Watching this movie, I was like, wait a second, I
know about this. I know about this. After ten minutes
of your brain kind of going, you realize, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, well, because oh, okay, so this book it's about
like well.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I mean, it's it's as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's called Black and British and it's about black people
in Britain, and it traces the history of it from
long before what's the wind rush generation, which is when
a lot of people think black history kind of started
in England, which was after the war, a bunch of
people from the West Indies moved to the UK because
England was like, well, we'll incentivize people from the colonies
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to come here and help rebuild after all the bombings.
But this goes back to like the fifteenth the fifteen
hundred's interesting through then, And obviously Britain had a huge
part in the slave trade and was a huge player
in that, and this book covers a couple of like
landmark cases that led to the beginning of the end
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of the slave trade, which Britain famously ended like sixty
years before America did and was like super proud about
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, I was thinking in this movie, I was like,
oh my god, somehow when I think about the slave trade,
mm hmm. I obviously when we were studying history, like
England is it is one of the huge players in that,
But like, I associated so much with the US and
(13:13):
I know so much more about the US history with
slavery that I kind of leave them out of it.
In my brain.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I was like, oh, my god, you guys did that totally, totally.
I'm really also excited to hear your experience of this movie,
having not heard about it, and also I having not
read this book. No talks about it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
No, I've read that.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Because me the whole time, I was like, I know
what's going on. But I also it's because I have
specifically accidentally read about this. Uh huh, so I'm curious
to hear what it was like to watch.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But no, no, I text. I immediately looked it up
just to see if it was a real thing because
they kept saying Zong. But yeah, so this movie covers
the Zong massacre, which was I don't know what year
it happened, but.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yes, this took place in seventeen eighty one.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, that's great.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's the paragraph is well, I suppose I could read
the pair. It's a little bit long.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Basically, in September seventeen eighty one, the Zong, a Liverpool
registered slave ship, sailed from Acra in Ghana, with four
hundred and forty two slaves on board, around twice the
number a ship of that size could reasonably expect to
transport without catastrophic loss of life. By early December, after
a series of amateurish and baffling navigational errors, the ship
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was running out of fresh water and disease had broken
out on the slave decks and among the crew. To
preserve supplies and protect their profits by ensuring that at
least some of the slaves reached market in Jamaica alive,
the crew of the Zong cast one hundred and thirty
three of the most sickly slaves overboard. This was not
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done in a single moment of murderous haste, but gradually
and systematically over the course of three days. It was
a clinical massacre of innocence, but it had stemmed from
a strange mixture of callous self interest and professional incompetence.
For when the Zong arrived in Jamaica just three weeks later,
there were still four hundred twenty gallons of water on board.
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Just two hundred and eight of the four hundred and
forty two Africans who had been packed into the Zong
in Acra were still alive. So that's what happened. And
then the case that the movie covers is this terrible
incident was brought to wider national attention only when the
owners of the Zong filed an insurance claim against the
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loss of quote cargo end quote, demanding thirty pounds for
each slave cast overboard. Their insurance underwriters disagreed and refused
to pay. And that's the conflict that Lord Mansfield is
ruling over with the movie, right, and there you go ruled.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
There's the human beings. Yeah, property, you know. It was
like ended up being a huge question of what what
England could really say about enslaved people going forward.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And what's really interesting is this book Black and British
by David Olusoga talks earlier in an earlier chapter about
Lord Mansfield and an earlier case he was presiding over
about essentially like how much are we Oh, here's what
it was. It was I think a r a person
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living in Virginia, like the Colony of Virginia who owned
a slave, brought that slave with him to England and
then in England beat that person so severely that he
was left like deeply injured. And the case is against
the lawyer who owned that person and deciding whether the
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laws of Virginia, which say like, well that's his property,
he can do anything with that apply in England and
Lord Mansfield ended up ruling that no, they don't, which
was like an earlier landmark case saying like okay, so
we're not really we're not doing that in the same way.
And that's the chapter that talks about how he had
in his care a young black girl who was his niece.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I was gonna ask because I could have seen him
combining stories. That really is amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's literally true, and so there's like, there's obviously no
concrete evidence, but there's a lot of speculation of like, well,
you know, probably that did influence his rulings in some way.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It certainly could influence the fact that he literally knew
he was probably one of the only people who knew
a black person not in like a servant context. Yeah,
at that time in his class. Yeah, that is crazy. Wow,
(17:52):
this is an amazing story. Yeah, very interesting, very interesting. Also,
that book was so well written.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I know, it's a really good it's man, it is
a it's a thick text, but it was really good.
It just took me a long time to get through it,
obviously because there's so much it covers. But you do
actually really recommend it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Thank you, Leona for the historical context.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We listeners We're going to be so happy. Did a
hot Vicars sun just show up at your front door?
Turn around, Mama, you haven't been properly introduced yet.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We'll be right back in three minutes. Well, should we
talk about our phone notes?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, let's freaking get into it. This is the segment
of the podcast Phone Notes where we look at the
notes the other person took on their phone while.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Watching the film.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Cianna, you didn't bold this, but your first note is uh, oh,
I'm sleepy.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Cry. I was so sleepy while watching this. It was
like I fitised still my work and I got home
and I went, okay, here we go, here we go,
here we go. And of all movies to be watching, yeah,
I found it endearing and interesting, Like I enjoyed this movie.
So it was like, Okay, it's nice to be sitting
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here watching this now, but I feel my eyelids getting heavy,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh no, no, no, Well, and there's like beautiful sort
of harpsichord tunes that'll really well.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It starts with historical context in a small font on screen,
and I said, oh no, I.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Don't even know that's but I didn't need to know.
I figured it out. Okay, good Uh Leanna, you said
desperately need, desperately in need of some bodice ripping please,
and I need to apologize for that. Listen.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Bridgerton has really set an expectation. Yes, period period pieces,
especially period pieces that include like the London Season, where
everybody goes to hopefully find a good match to become
their spouse. So I was really anticipating something so much
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raunchier than this polite film than this polite racial film. Legislative,
very legislative, really litigious. Yeah, a lot of her dad going.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yep. The only thing that got ripped was precedence. There
were times in this film where they were saying phrases
where I was like, that is, I can't understand a
thing you people are talking about. They're like being so
British and high society that like the things they're saying.
They're like, take a walk with me. I shan't take
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a walk for the for How could it, girl, a
woman of my standing in this without knowing you? You like,
I don't know the rules of your world. What are
you talking about? How long are you supposed to know someone?
What is a walk to you people? I'm confused?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, what what is the significance of a walk? It's
what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That was what I most I found all the stuff
about the song pretty straightforward, but the yeah, the the
high society stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I was like, Sienna, you've noted this white child couldn't
be whiter. I was kind of scared of her, the
whitest child, Like, yeah, they bring Belle in, who looks
very bored, but I think it's just sort of this
child's vibe. But I was like, yeah, I get it.
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This kid was disinterested.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
This is the society you're entering, and I am sorry.
But then her sister Bet who she will soon meet,
is there and she is like a little ghost, like, yes,
there is something wrong with like the way that there's
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something wrong with this. Nobody should look like this, Like
this isn't the kind of look of someone who's gonna survive. Yeah,
I agree, Leanna, you've said, Sianna, I really love Matthew
Good her brief father.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes, her brief father, I who obviously was gonna die
in the navy.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
What's he from? Because I also love him? And why? Okay, Yeah,
I liked the number of men in this. It's like
people in society are really racist except for a handful
of random men who don't believe in racism at all.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
That was where I was like, Okay, I get that
we as the audience have to be on their side totally.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's the only way that we as a modern audience.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, except for this, There's no way I know that
these guys were that awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's almost like the real version of whatever their love
would be would be so disturbing for our ears. And
I owe her and Divinier, both young and Papa, like
just what their their respect for Dido would be because
already I mean, like that's the point of the movie.
So Didoh is their child and they love her and
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they treat her like their family member. It's it's all
normal style until they're like gonna have guests and then
they're like, well, you can't eat with us. You can't eat.
It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You can join us after, but you can't dine, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So there's all these weird It's it's an interesting story
of like I'm too high society for this, but I'm
too low status for this. Like what because she is
like the highest society even of her family members, because
her dad the soldier guy Matthew Good had like the
most money, so she ends up once he passes away.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Being yeah, she's got a lit dowry. Yeah she has
this lit dowry hen inheritance. But anyway, yeah, I think
that we probably couldn't handle what it looks like for
them to their version of respect for Dido at the
time when the slave trade was in full swing and
the way that race was talked about was like.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Come crazy crazy. So I get when they had to
do this.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I love, I love your experiences. You've noted they live
in a mansion and still share a room, can we Okay?
An incredible point.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Is so big. It's so big and they share a
little sister room with twin best which I love, don't
get me wrong, Yeah, of course, But I could not
believe that. Why is that possibly the situation I have
to have, like idea thirty rooms and the like the
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girls that the girls, I couldn't tell how old they
were because every now and then they're like, you're a teenager,
you're a minor or something.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, like these are two thirty year old women. I
don't know, comfortably thirty. I wanted to say, like seventeen eighteen.
I feel like that's the age that you, like present,
you come out into society, you debut.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Uh huh, yeah, anyway, I don't know, Leanna. You said, oh,
he is absolutely going to die in the navy, and
he did, yes, and he did and he did. Then
you said, Yep, there's racism.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yes, yeah, there it is the yeah. Like seconds into
meeting her family, somebody says that insane like, oh, okay,
the women in these movies, I feel like, are especially cruel. Yeah,
which always always it's like the man is the savior.
Even in this movie, which was directed by a woman
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of color, it was definitely it didn't have white savior
vibes in the way that a.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Movie like this for sure could have. Totally.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Still, I feel like her, her aunt and her mamma,
like they sort of come around eventually.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
They do, yeah, which is probably how it would be.
They'd be super racist at the beginning and then chill
out because this is there, this is their family member.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, they do that racist thing of like, well, you're
not like others.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yes, yeah, you're you're you're special, You're one of the
good ones. And I understand you.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Leonna.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
You've said, Lord Chief Justice the Lord Chief Justice.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, I know, this is where it was starting to click,
and I was saying, now, wait.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
A second, wait, wait a second, I think I know
about this. They've said enough of the words from this
thing that I completely read about. I think that maybe okay,
But to be.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Fair to me, that thing took up two pages of
a book with small font totally that was over five
hundred pages long.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Definitely okay.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yes, honestly a testament to my memory for working for
once in its life.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That is very true. And thank you for that and congratulates,
thank you and thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Oh yes, correct, you've noted. Omg, it's Malfoy, it's fucking guy.
I could not believe ass Felton.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Tom Felton, that's right. So Tom Felton and his.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Taller brother played by James Norton, a man I'm very
afraid of.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yes, are these girls' only prospects all of England? The
taller one is like, listen, I don't have a problem
with Didoh being black because she's gorgeous, which I'm glad
that somebody admitted. So beautiful. Yeah, there were times where
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I was just like watching her with jaw dropped.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Her sister also extremely gorgeous. Yeah. I was worried her
sister was going to be a racist bit and then
she mostly wasn't. She was just kind of like dumb,
yeah a little bit, which was so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
But yeah, they were they were sisters sisters, but yeah,
they're really There's the taller one is like, you're gorgeous
and that's all that matters to me. And also you're
extremely rich and that would be hot. And maybe I'm
a little bit weird. I'm maybe gonna be a little
bit weird about you being black, and like there's definitely
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some things about my family where they're not going to
accept you, but I think, yeah, cool, baby.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
My family hates you, but I think I think you're
hot as hell. Yeah. And then Malfoy and Tom Felton.
We are very anti Tom at pres because he has
simply just continued to do Harry Potter project, really, even
in the wake of all the JK Rowling transphobia and
(29:20):
turf nonsense, and he's just like, yeah, eh, whereas like
other Harry Potter cast members like Daniel Radcliffe and Emma
Watson have spoken out vehemently yeah and been like no, no,
I disagree, But he's in this and he sucks in it. Yeah,
and he sucks I r L. So I was like, well, yeah,
I guess I just hated to see it. I hate
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I was not excited about that. He really has a
villain face.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He was since he was they were like, you're a villain. Yeah,
you are not a good dude. But he is just
like the one of the crazy racist characters and just
like m cruel and classic z ill Yeah. But I
couldn't believe this is like all they had to work with, Like, damn.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
No, they prospects. I guess the marriage market is just
that competitive and they don't. Elizabeth has like apparently nothing
to offer. She has no money, Leanna.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I think this is very like sums up the movie.
You've said, even when they transcend race, English classism will persist.
The classism is so crazy, like someone will walk up,
will walk up and they'll go like, oh, the son
of a vicar. You're like, you haven't talked about anything.
What does that mean? You haven't even discussed the weather.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
No, And it's that's something that I still have a
hard time wrapping my head around living here, because it's
still such a thing like people in England and in
the UK can tell each other's class from each other's accents.
That is so, which is something that I still can't distinguished,
Like you can tell a Posh accent because it sounds
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like everybody on the crown.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I mean that one's really crazy because it's got like
German influences or something. But other than that, I'm like,
I don't really know. I obviously know that they are
different from one another, but that wouldn't tell me like, oh,
I now know everything about how you were raised and
where you went to stroll right, and it's likely what
industry you now work in.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Like that's crazy. Yeah, that is just not something we have.
That is so it runs deep nuts.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Oh Si, I know this is a really yeah you've written.
I don't like that fireworks existed when the slave trade
was in full swing.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That was disturbing to me. Also on the eve of
fourth of Julaane here in the United States of the
US of ass Yeah, I does it kind of makes
sense like that, like fireworks, I guess it can fit
in to the world now that my brain is placing
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it into the world of like the seventeen hundreds, then
the eighteenth and century A nineteenth century, like that does.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
And what is it about them existing that you that
you dislike? Is it the inherently like celebratory nature of
fireworks it feels Is it the idea that like we've
progressed scientifically but not like on a human level.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yes, that mainly that I'm like, that feels too modern
of an invention for us to be torturing people on
a large mass scale. But we're still torturing people. There's
still we still have capitalism. Yeah. Anyway, for some reason,
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I just couldn't. I'm like, those two things shouldn't be
there together. But I guess I don't know what the
science behind fireworks are. And it makes sense that of
all the things we could be playing with in the
seventeenth century, it's fire Yeah. Things thing go boom yeah.
And like the guns, oh yeah, gunpowder. It kind of
it fits in with me with musket culture, you know,
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like it, Yeah, musket core. Fireworks are pretty musket core
if you think abouty muskeet core anyway. But yes, you've
summed it up. Well, that's disturbing to me, Leonna. You said,
from the dawn of time it has been psycotique to
be a woman.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, my god, the scene where Elizabeth has to just
sit and play the piano forte and sing directly at
a man.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I loved how she was singing. It was just high
and loud, high and loud, high and loud, like.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
All of their hair.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
God it was.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's just so like literally, to be a woman is
to perform. From the dawn of time, women have been
taught to literally perf put on a show in order
to win the affections of a rich man. Can I
Oh my god, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
The idea of sitting at a piano and looking a
dead eyed man directly in the ugly face and then going.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh, mama, do you like that?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And that's all that they were raised to. All the
skills they acquire is to then audition for men as
their wives. Yeah, yes, like, oh I speak French, I
can do embroidery, I know Latin, I play the piano forte.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
That's it. She even later. I found this very interesting
when Bet is one who like she really wants a
husband and she kind of like talks about things romantically,
like yes, she'd love to fall in love, but even
she is like, well, like didoh isn't it cool that
you just have money, so you don't have to like
literally try to impress some silly man and like marry him. Yeah,
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because she's like, why would you do that if you
had money. I don't. There's no reason, Like she is
one of the most sort of romantic thinkers, and she's
even like that makes no sense, Like I'm just auditioning
for boys because I literally need to do this so
I can eat.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Eat Totally so wild.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Okay, Leanna, you said congratulations to this man who can
pull off a stupid low pony. Yeah you really can.
I loved her love interests deep. I actually quite wrote this.
They had social justice in Mister Darcy time that was
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also wild forty years before, which is nuts. That's through times.
I love that that they were like guys walking around
being like this isn't right. I have an activist group,
which of course makes sense, and that's like supposed to
be what the United States was sort of founded upon,
was like people gathering, people gathering and talking about things
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that aren't right and having revolutions and things. But yeah,
in England, I forgot they did that, even though I
did watch Out and Abby and you know, they do
sometimes meet in community centers and commun wrong of course,
but I didn't know they talked much about right and
wrong at the time. I thought they all had to
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just like I don't know, and I feel like they're
are about this street fish and stuff you sell their
street fish of course, not to be confused with the.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
The house fish. What's I guess unique about this movie.
I feel like often what we'll see in period pieces
of people gathering to.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Like, hey, this is wrong. We need to like rise up.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's about something that's impacting them specifically. So so much
of the time it's like women suffrage. It's like we
need a place in society.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
We deserve this. Yeah, Unions.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
The US Revolution was like we the white men, the
land owning white men, are being oppressed.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That ain't right.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
We should set up our own society so we can
oppress other people as is our god given right. But
this one is saying, like, what's being done to these
other this group of people is wrong, and that is
a hard thing to wrap your head around. Like people
in the very long ago past having that take.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
That is a really good point. Yeah, And there were
so many white people there doing that. There are so
few black people in this movie, which is the point
she's like, I am the only black person I know,
I know, literally the only one I know.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And then there's should they have one black maid who's like,
please let me help you with your hair?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yes, and Dido's like doing it terribly. Dino's immediately like Okay,
I love her, I'm obsessed with you.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Thank god you're here, which was very cute.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go do one
of my activities like walk or emboider. We'll be right back.
Mm hmm oh. I feel like they do such a
good job of roasting while also accepting bet, which is
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that like that's like, what the hell I wanna eat
with my sister. And then it's like, well, boys are coming,
and she's like boys.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Boys, which is like like it's not right that that
Dino can't join us, and they're like, well, then you'll
miss the boys, and she's like, never mind.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I can't do that, which again makes sense with her motives,
like they make it. But it's like because of her
motives and what she's concerned about, she can't really be
a supporter. Just like, damn, that's taken a white like
that is so down, it's so real.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's like that you you have to play into the
patriarchy to survive, and the patriarchy is inherently racist, so
in doing so, you will always be putting down people
of color. Yep.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, yeah, I thought they kind of elegantly because it
also wasn't like her sister's like completely racist or and
when she finally they have their fight, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I thought she was going to be super racist. Yeah,
but then it was like you're illegitimate.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, it's like class and properness, and you know, like
I don't think she thinks about that much, but she
also doesn't think about it in a way where she
under she doesn't understand it's like different for her sister. Yeah, anyway,
it was interesting. I was I was I was interested
in that. I was interested. You said, need everyone to
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be much more embarrassed by these wigs.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oh my god, they were really getting out of control.
In the scenes where the judge enters to make his
like official ruling.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That's about the time I fell asleep, So I kept
like opening my eyes. I fell asleep for like six minutes.
I kept opening my eyes and seeing wigs and then.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Every time, Yeah, they still wear wigs today.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Good for them when they do no good for them.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
This must be stop or everyone looks stupid.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
It's so dumb, Leanni, you said I love her with
every breath I breathe.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Is that so hard to admit? Then shortly after, when
am I going to be in a carriage with somebody
just screaming in my father's face?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah? He wasn't I love her with every breath I breathe. Yep,
you've said with somebody kiss please? Yeah? I did a
few times, right, make out, make out please? Hello? Hello.
Then you said Bridgerton has made all period romance. This
is underwhelming. Yeah, because they're not just boning right in
the midd I mean, mind you, this was twenty thirteen.
This was long before the COVID horniness that elevated Bridgerton
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to start. It was made in twenty thirteen. I know,
isn't that crazy? I am impressed with that. I know.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
This is what happens when you let black women do
things like they just do it very well ahead of
its time.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It really seems like it's from like last year. Yeah hmm.
And Leona, your final note is work, work, worle It
really is an exciting story.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was well done.
And let us move on into our badges and trages,
where we award badges.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
For black women.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yes, badges for black directors, black women directors, and tradges for.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
The trading of human Oh my gosh, of course, yes, yes, Oh.
My first badge is a badge for historical context up
top when they say it's seventeen sixty nine. But I
did say, also prayers to Sienna because I know she's
not seeing that. I didn't see it with my eyes.
Yeah badge. My first badge somehow is when Bet sings Lol. Yeah,
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we said high and loud. She is just throwing ass,
trying to get a husband.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
A badge for this old woman hates the white kid.
This was when I thought, I assumed the white child
was gonna be just absolutely the worst. I didn't realize
they were gonna be pals and sisters and so aunt
Mary just being so annoyed by the white kid. I
was like, yes, good.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Badge for the romance. I thought that romance was was sweet.
I just I just I was, I was. I was
all in on the mister Darcy social justice vibe.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, badge for Aunt Mary hates the French. She keeps
being like, don't stop speaking French, don't do that, do
not do that. That's I also don't get them, like
is that fancy at this time?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Is it not? I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, they just the English fucking hate the French and
they still do. And it's really funny.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That is hilarious. I love it, Badge Force, similar to uh,
I wrote b plot, but that is not the right
way to acknowledge them talking about the song the whole time.
(43:39):
But what I was trying to say was sort of
the subplot the whole time, like that, as all of
her life and the romances and things are going on,
what they're coming back to is this historical massacre this
and this legal situation which they're talking about very honestly,
and it was very interesting. Yeah, that really kept me
like oh oh oh, and I was so interested to
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learn about it. I'm glad I know about it.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, Badge For, they did not go easy on Tom
Felton's receding hairline. Even in a wig, he had a
receding hairline, and I said, good, it was terrible. Badge
For the reality of the London Wind's impact on hair.
When three of the ladies are walking through Vauxhall at
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the party ball thing, the wind is blowing so hard
that it's ruining their wigs, and I was like, thank
you for saying that, because that is actually what happens.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
You can try.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You can have all the money in the world and
the wind will still get you.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Badge for a night cap. Her father is at one
point wearing a night cap and boy.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Is he's Yeah. Badge for the way that that woman
said scoundrel. Lady Ashford says scoundrel. She delivers that word
in a really amazing way.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Badge for barrenness on a boat. That was a quick
little moment there. Loved her.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah around who was that everyone hates her? She just
glides by and shows that you hello.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
And is lightly rude. It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh badge for I love this pink dress that Dido
is in in some scene and it's.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Like a deep sort of.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Dark, like deeper than Fusia but close to fushia, and
it's oh gorgeous love.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
My final badge is for her and her papa having
a moment at the end. I thought that was nice
because a lot of the story feels like it's like
a romance, and hmm, I didn't take it as just
like an It just her and her dad learning to
understand each other, or her and her dad as as
he is going through this very profound thing, having a
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you know, a black niece and dealing with this historical
legal moment. But I don't know, I found that. I
found that very very moving. And then there's like a
moment where he even as fantastical as it might be,
a moment where he's like, love your kid, Hey, love
(46:17):
you girly.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
My final badge is a badge for Mary holding two
jugs and looking shocked, you know what you're talking about,
whispering at her and telling her to keep it a
secret that she's sneaking out. And Mary's just holding two
jugs and open mouthed, and it's like, uh.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I, also, what do I do? Minutes after that past,
that image was still ringing through my head.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Oh god, it was truly comical. It was so funny,
so fast tragic.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah. I didn't write that many down because my trages
are mostly existential trage. Yeah, okay, my first one I'll
say is all the existential trages, the slave trade, the
song massacre, which was horrific to learn about all the classes,
her family not letting her eat with them, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. But I learned a lot. I
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guess about the time.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, great trage for Matthew Good was in this for
like two seconds, not nearly enough time for Matthew Good
to be in something.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
My final trage is Malfoy being an yes, a whole
and in real life and of the movie still a
piece of garbage.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah. My next trage is for Tom Felton whoo trage
for oh yep, a trage every time Tom Felton is
on screen.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
And then.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Two more trages. One is for the movie does have
some twenty thirteen energy where I think if it was
made now, regardless of whether or not this is period
or historically accurate, I think the energy would be very
like you don't have to marry Oh my God, thank
(48:00):
God and you and like I think Didah would be
extremely happy about that and be like men are stupid
and terrible. I'm gonna like be the one who solves
this court case, not like help a guy solve it.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
It's tough though, because she's incredibly lonely because she's been
extremely isolated because of her race, Like I understand that
she has such a specific role with that, but yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Maybe her sister would be that way then, but somebody
would be like, you are so lucky that you don't
have to deal with it, like they'd say it harder
than Elizabeth says it in the movie totally.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
And then my final.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Trage is a little bit for this portrait of the
two sisters in the movie and the actual one, because
why is she kind of like a fairy flying away?
She say, just also be a person, And I think
it was nodding to the fact that, like often in
portraiture at that time, it was like fashionable to have
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like a black child with you in the portrait, So
it felt like a weird middle ground.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Again.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
I mean, it's like she doesn't she's not neither here
nor there, even in the portrait setting.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I found that so fascinating as a through line in
the movie, that she she's like, I don't want to
be I didn't understand at first why she didn't want
to be painted. I'm like, I understand that there must,
but I just don't understand what the specific reason is
that the movie's trying to tell me. And I didn't
realize how much of a tradition of having like a
black accessory. Yes, y, there was, but this movie really
(49:31):
like pointed that out to me. Yeah, because she keeps
looking and she's like, I don't want to be in
this because there's literally all of these freaking pictures where
there's like a black child at the bottom or something,
or like a servant somewhere, and I don't want that.
I don't I don't want to see that. Yeah, yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Okay, I mean, even is there time to do this
segment or should we skip it?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Okay, we'll do a quick Oh, how to pretend you've
seen this film, which is where.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Malfoy is Lord Ashford.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Lord Ashford is prowling around the grounds.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
All he does looking for a while you're just trying
to promenade.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
And you go, oh ah, I'm just basking out here.
I'm taking a walk because that's what I do in
this time. I don't know, and he goes, hey, I
just saw a movie. Perfect movie. I love twenty thirteen
my favorite year for talking about race. Felt like we
advanced a perfect amount by then.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
We should have stopped I'm going to tell you all about.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
This movie because I understand it better than you.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
The movie Bell, And in order to recede, Lord Ashford's
hairlines so far back that he has to turn around
and catch it. We're going to give you a few
sentences you can say to pretend you've seen the film Bell. Yes,
Lord Ashford, I've seen the film Bell. Actually, your dad
in the film says a line to your less terrible
(51:05):
brother that I wish my crushes would heed. She cannot
know your thoughts unless you offer them to her, And
I said, louder for the people watching my Instagram stories,
please please, I invite you, I invoke, I invite your
replies and perhaps a bit of initiative.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Thank you, thank you. Yes, Lord Ashford, I have seen
the film Bell. An early version of the script was
called Bell and Bet and focus on the relationship between
Dido and her cousin Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Kind of obsessed with it. They started writing it and
they're like, no, it's no good. That's the French title
for Beauty and the Beast, Is it really?
Speaker 1 (51:47):
That's yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:48):
La belle e la bete French means beast.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
They probably so funny. Wait, imagine you beast. I know,
I know, and she speaks friends. She terrible.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yes, Lord Ashford, I have seen Belle Dido spits some
absolute bars when ending her engagement and saying to her family,
to the family, why she doesn't want to enter into
theirs with forgiveness of my bloodline is both unnecessary and
without grace. And I said, oh my god, Sleigh Sleigh.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Okay, yes, yes, Lord Ashford, I have seen the film Belle.
John Devinier's real occupation. Real occupation was French man servant
working as balet, not an English apprentice lawyer. Oh he
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was French. Oh my god it Mary would have hated that.
It's just funny for them to say that his occupation
was being French.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, yes, Lord Ashford, I've seen Bell But I have
to go now because father has purchased me a position
in the navy.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Hi you Waller Oho, Well should I move on to
our next segment? Yes? Of course. Should you watch this
or mm hmm, Leanna, what do you tell you if
we think you should watch this movie or if you
should do something else with your court case? I would
say yes, I think Belle is very worth watching. I
think I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Very like It's aesthetically beautiful because it's the time period
and the fashion. It's interesting, it's historical, it's romantic. The
acting is very good in it. So I would say
should you watch this? And I recommend the book Black
and British, A Forgotten History updated with a new chapter
(53:55):
by David Olusoga.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Very good. What would you say? It's very good. I
would also say you can watch this movie. I really
enjoyed it. When I got to the end, I was like, Wow,
that was great because it's got what you want if
you're looking for like a British British class movie. It's
(54:18):
genuinely what era is this, do you know what? Like historically?
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, it's Georgian, like seventeen eighty five, I think.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Cool if you're looking for like classic Georgian British film
Bridgerton Vibes, but like, yeah, historical historical film. It it was.
It was really good. I thought it was gonna be
like a little bit more just like I don't know, preachy.
(54:50):
I thought it was gonna be more like made by
white people, which I'm sure. I'm sure there was many
annoying things and making it. But you know, for twenty
thirteen film about a mixed race, a person in high society.
It was very interesting, like they dealt with some complex stuff.
So yes, and I really enjoyed it, so I would
recommend y. What would you rate the film, Leanna?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
I would give Bell honestly five unripped bodices out of five.
Do I wish a bodice had been ripped?
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Was that part of the film's journey? Absolutely not, And
I acknowledge that I really enjoyed it. I thought it
was really well done. It was fun, feeling like I
was learning more about something that I realized I had
learned about previously. And great acting and gowns, beautiful gowns.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Sianna, what would you rate it? I'm gonna give this
film four point eight side pony curls out of five.
The point two comes off because I do not understand
what they were talking about. There were many sentences they
(56:04):
said that I went, I don't understand what, But honestly,
all the legislative stuff actually did make sense, so that
part was cool work Anyway, Slay loved it. That was
a great film.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Great film. That's been our review of Bell. Thank you
everybody for listening. If you'd like more from us. You
can find us on Instagram at tossed Popcorn. We post
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Sianta Jacob and I'm Leanna Holsten.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And welcome to Toss Popcorn, the podcast where two idiots
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
This podcast is a safe society for people who don't
know anything about movies. Today we are watching Bell.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I love that. I love that with every bread I read.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Warning, there will be spoilers about this recent but set
in the past. Oh film, so true, Thank you so true?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Girl? Did you know anything about this movie? M m?
In fact, okay, Bil, I think we should play my prediction.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh hell yeah, I'd love to hear Sianna your prediction
for the movie Bell.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, Hi, Leanna, this is Sienna. I'm about to watch Bell.
I actually don't know what this movie is. I'm not
sure i've heard of it inside, So I'm gonna go
ahead and guess. It's about a girl in the snow.
(01:26):
There's gonna be snow and a woman well, and the
woman falls in love. Two for someone dies two for four.
I love you goodbye. Ah, I really just went.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I love that you were sure on snow.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I just I really, I just went for it. Leanna,
had you uh did you know about this movie?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No? But I had seen at least the poster.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, that would have helped me.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I remember hearing about it maybe when it came out,
maybe some of them of years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right, and you are in England, so I'm sure they're
talking about it often. Oh, Leanna, I'd love to hear
your prediction. Yes, here it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Is, Hey Sienna, good morning, Okay, Leanna, I'm about to
watch Bell vaguely.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
A'm aware that this is a period piece.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I think it's about a black woman being in high
society in England during perhaps the nineteenth century, early nineteenth
perhaps late eighteenth.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yes, even I predict Oh, people are going to be racist,
and hopefully that's very That's really what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know, uplifting in well and good gowns, beautiful gowns.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, okay, that what you said it you said, sister, Well,
you basically just said my synopsis. But we can't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
We can't do that yet, even if it would make
sense to do it. In that order, But then when
would we Hay, girl, hey girl, girl, I have accidentally
subscribed to a pasta delivery service.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Please tell me more, Oh, please tell me more.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, back in February, okay, I was doing my fortnightly
walk to pick up the post that comes to our
office's registered address, which is a different office, and on
the way back there was a pop up where they
said would you like to try some freshly made pasta?
And I said, obviously, yes, it's two pm in February,
(03:50):
which means it's nearly dark outside. I'm gonna need some pasta.
It was delish, and then they, of course tried to
sell me on their service, and I said, well, unfortunately,
my hands are full of the mail. I've got to
go back to work, but thank you for the pasta.
Yesterday July, I was doing my fortnightly walk to pick
(04:11):
up the mail from the other office, and on the
way back, who should appear but a sprightly young man
saying hello, would you like to try some freshly made pasta?
And I said, well, my god, it's good to see
you again. Had one piece of delicious ravioli, and then, unfortunately,
(04:36):
what I thought was just creating an account to maybe
you know, later on down the line. One off purchase
a box was in fact certainly paying for a subscription
to a pasta delivery service. And it's well, I just
don't know. And now what I need to do on
(04:58):
what I've been avoiding doing is logging into my account,
the password of which I of course don't remember, because
I created it on the spot and it was panicking
and you.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Had pasta on the mind.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You had pasta on the mind, and I have to
go in and see. I know on Wednesday, I will
be receiving a box of well freshly made pasta.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Which I don't mind.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I think that's really a delicious thing. And they make
it that morning, which is very cool. They deliver amazing,
I think it is.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But I can't do this every week.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Ah yeah, I don't know how many times I'll be
receiving fresh pasta.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's great week. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I'm not in that tax bracket, right, you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
What I mean. I can't beat that's such a son.
I don't know what happened. I just I wanted them
to be happy. I get it.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And twice now they've given me delicious pasta so I said, okay,
fair enough.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
On the bright side, you'll have one expensive month of
delicious pasta. Yeah yeah, but it was forty percent off.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Oh and so it it averages out to be like
six pounds per meal. It's two servings, two meals worth. Anyway,
that's me, girl, It's me Strega Nona. But you know,
the modern capitalist version I love. That's amazing, hey girl.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, maybe that's why they started the business, because they
just someone there's a witch out there who keeps making
too much pasta. I need to sell this stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That is such a capitalist It's like, we're not gonna
give this away for free. Yah, let's monetize Streganna with
a really tweet off weekly delivery service. Yeah, I got
Strega Nona. Oh my god, it's literally called Nona Tonda.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You got Nonatonda? No, no tondo. I don't know. I
don't speak Italian. I'm really sorry. Hey girl, Hey girl,
let's see my updates. Well, it's fourth of julame over
here in the US.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Ass hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh. And we're all torn between like absolutely not selling
celebrating the US absolutely not. But I want to have
fun with my community and friends because they're still giving
everybody the day off, and it's like, well, we need
community now more than ever. Yeah, so anyway, everybody's really
(07:37):
tense over here. M M. Certain bills were passed whatever. Yeah,
but I'm going to Lake Arrowhead today. Beautiful my friends.
We thought I was like, my friend has his parents
have a lake house there. They don't have a lake house,
it's their home, but they live in Lake Arrowhead. So
(07:58):
we're gonna be like, his parents are going to be
there and yeah nice, and we're just gonna be like
inconveniencing his parents, which him and his brother are there,
so I'm sure they'll be They're very welcoming, I'm sure.
But it's it's for some reason that's extremely funny to me.
It's like, oh yeah, totally, it's definitely different. We're gonna
be treating it like this is like to be a
(08:20):
little polite. Yeah, this is my home. Besides that, I've
been building a cat puppet for the last week.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And what size, how big it to a normal cat.
It's like, Okay, Santa's hands are so far apart from
each other that this would be like a tiger.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's like this, it's a young tiger. It's like this,
but but it's like standing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's like a promorphic okay, but still like bigger than
a house cat.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We would say, yeah, bigger than a house cat. It's
it's for a children's music video. It's like this, This
band that does yeah J often making music video. These
adults are making music that kids like. Ok And they're
making some music videos. And there's one called Dancing with
(09:08):
My Cat. So I made a cat for it. It
was good practice to try some new techniques. Yeah, I
learned many things. It's actually one of the better things
that I've made. However, now that it's done, I'm like,
oh no, I hate this. I objectively am proud of
the work I did. God, but like the aesthetic of
(09:30):
a furry cat puppet is not what I enjoy just
generally in okay, you know what I mean. Like, I'm like, well,
this is done, and I guess this is it, and
now like this is a thing that I own. I
own this. It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's really funny to be like creating a portfolio of
things you hate.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Constantly conflicted by my life, as we know.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Besides that, well, my God, speaking of someone who was
constantly conflicting life.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I understood her perfectly.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, in exactly the same way. Yes, Sienna, could you
please give us a synopsis of the.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Film Bell, Yes, Bell, Di Do Dough Dido. Bell is
half black in eighteenth century England and no one is
chill about it. The rare situation. End. It brings up
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questions of class versus race in this very class obsessed,
very white, old ass society. The end. If we were
going to do historical context of any sort, they're talking
(10:55):
about the well.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Mama, what what historical context? Try this book that I
read a few months ago. No one talks about this
case that's in.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
The movie the song.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
The song case judged by Lord Mansfield is Insane on
pages two hundred four and two hundred and five of
the book Black and British by David Olusoga.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Watching this movie, I was like, wait a second, I
know about this. I know about this. After ten minutes
of your brain kind of going, you realize, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, well, because oh, okay, so this book it's about
like well.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I mean, it's it's as it sounds.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's called Black and British and it's about black people
in Britain, and it traces the history of it from
long before what's the wind rush generation, which is when
a lot of people think black history kind of started
in England, which was after the war, a bunch of
people from the West Indies moved to the UK because
England was like, well, we'll incentivize people from the colonies
(12:15):
to come here and help rebuild after all the bombings.
But this goes back to like the fifteenth the fifteen
hundred's interesting through then, And obviously Britain had a huge
part in the slave trade and was a huge player
in that, and this book covers a couple of like
landmark cases that led to the beginning of the end
(12:40):
of the slave trade, which Britain famously ended like sixty
years before America did and was like super proud about
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, I was thinking in this movie, I was like,
oh my god, somehow when I think about the slave trade,
mm hmm. I obviously when we were studying history, like
England is it is one of the huge players in that,
But like, I associated so much with the US and
(13:13):
I know so much more about the US history with
slavery that I kind of leave them out of it.
In my brain.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I was like, oh, my god, you guys did that totally, totally.
I'm really also excited to hear your experience of this movie,
having not heard about it, and also I having not
read this book. No talks about it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
No, I've read that.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Because me the whole time, I was like, I know
what's going on. But I also it's because I have
specifically accidentally read about this. Uh huh, so I'm curious
to hear what it was like to watch.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But no, no, I text. I immediately looked it up
just to see if it was a real thing because
they kept saying Zong. But yeah, so this movie covers
the Zong massacre, which was I don't know what year
it happened, but.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yes, this took place in seventeen eighty one.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, that's great.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's the paragraph is well, I suppose I could read
the pair. It's a little bit long.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Basically, in September seventeen eighty one, the Zong, a Liverpool
registered slave ship, sailed from Acra in Ghana, with four
hundred and forty two slaves on board, around twice the
number a ship of that size could reasonably expect to
transport without catastrophic loss of life. By early December, after
a series of amateurish and baffling navigational errors, the ship
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was running out of fresh water and disease had broken
out on the slave decks and among the crew. To
preserve supplies and protect their profits by ensuring that at
least some of the slaves reached market in Jamaica alive,
the crew of the Zong cast one hundred and thirty
three of the most sickly slaves overboard. This was not
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done in a single moment of murderous haste, but gradually
and systematically over the course of three days. It was
a clinical massacre of innocence, but it had stemmed from
a strange mixture of callous self interest and professional incompetence.
For when the Zong arrived in Jamaica just three weeks later,
there were still four hundred twenty gallons of water on board.
(15:16):
Just two hundred and eight of the four hundred and
forty two Africans who had been packed into the Zong
in Acra were still alive. So that's what happened. And
then the case that the movie covers is this terrible
incident was brought to wider national attention only when the
owners of the Zong filed an insurance claim against the
(15:36):
loss of quote cargo end quote, demanding thirty pounds for
each slave cast overboard. Their insurance underwriters disagreed and refused
to pay. And that's the conflict that Lord Mansfield is
ruling over with the movie, right, and there you go ruled.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
There's the human beings. Yeah, property, you know. It was
like ended up being a huge question of what what
England could really say about enslaved people going forward.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And what's really interesting is this book Black and British
by David Olusoga talks earlier in an earlier chapter about
Lord Mansfield and an earlier case he was presiding over
about essentially like how much are we Oh, here's what
it was. It was I think a r a person
(16:31):
living in Virginia, like the Colony of Virginia who owned
a slave, brought that slave with him to England and
then in England beat that person so severely that he
was left like deeply injured. And the case is against
the lawyer who owned that person and deciding whether the
(16:54):
laws of Virginia, which say like, well that's his property,
he can do anything with that apply in England and
Lord Mansfield ended up ruling that no, they don't, which
was like an earlier landmark case saying like okay, so
we're not really we're not doing that in the same way.
And that's the chapter that talks about how he had
in his care a young black girl who was his niece.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I was gonna ask because I could have seen him
combining stories. That really is amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's literally true, and so there's like, there's obviously no
concrete evidence, but there's a lot of speculation of like, well,
you know, probably that did influence his rulings in some way.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It certainly could influence the fact that he literally knew
he was probably one of the only people who knew
a black person not in like a servant context. Yeah,
at that time in his class. Yeah, that is crazy. Wow,
(17:52):
this is an amazing story. Yeah, very interesting, very interesting. Also,
that book was so well written.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I know, it's a really good it's man, it is
a it's a thick text, but it was really good.
It just took me a long time to get through it,
obviously because there's so much it covers. But you do
actually really recommend it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Thank you, Leona for the historical context.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We listeners We're going to be so happy. Did a
hot Vicars sun just show up at your front door?
Turn around, Mama, you haven't been properly introduced yet.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We'll be right back in three minutes. Well, should we
talk about our phone notes?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, let's freaking get into it. This is the segment
of the podcast Phone Notes where we look at the
notes the other person took on their phone while.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Watching the film.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Cianna, you didn't bold this, but your first note is uh, oh,
I'm sleepy.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Cry. I was so sleepy while watching this. It was
like I fitised still my work and I got home
and I went, okay, here we go, here we go,
here we go. And of all movies to be watching, yeah,
I found it endearing and interesting, Like I enjoyed this movie.
So it was like, Okay, it's nice to be sitting
(19:16):
here watching this now, but I feel my eyelids getting heavy,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh no, no, no, Well, and there's like beautiful sort
of harpsichord tunes that'll really well.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It starts with historical context in a small font on screen,
and I said, oh no, I.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Don't even know that's but I didn't need to know.
I figured it out. Okay, good Uh Leanna, you said
desperately need, desperately in need of some bodice ripping please,
and I need to apologize for that. Listen.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Bridgerton has really set an expectation. Yes, period period pieces,
especially period pieces that include like the London Season, where
everybody goes to hopefully find a good match to become
their spouse. So I was really anticipating something so much
(20:16):
raunchier than this polite film than this polite racial film. Legislative,
very legislative, really litigious. Yeah, a lot of her dad going.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yep. The only thing that got ripped was precedence. There
were times in this film where they were saying phrases
where I was like, that is, I can't understand a
thing you people are talking about. They're like being so
British and high society that like the things they're saying.
They're like, take a walk with me. I shan't take
(20:56):
a walk for the for How could it, girl, a
woman of my standing in this without knowing you? You like,
I don't know the rules of your world. What are
you talking about? How long are you supposed to know someone?
What is a walk to you people? I'm confused?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, what what is the significance of a walk? It's
what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That was what I most I found all the stuff
about the song pretty straightforward, but the yeah, the the
high society stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I was like, Sienna, you've noted this white child couldn't
be whiter. I was kind of scared of her, the
whitest child, Like, yeah, they bring Belle in, who looks
very bored, but I think it's just sort of this
child's vibe. But I was like, yeah, I get it.
(21:46):
This kid was disinterested.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
This is the society you're entering, and I am sorry.
But then her sister Bet who she will soon meet,
is there and she is like a little ghost, like, yes,
there is something wrong with like the way that there's
(22:11):
something wrong with this. Nobody should look like this, Like
this isn't the kind of look of someone who's gonna survive. Yeah,
I agree, Leanna, you've said, Sianna, I really love Matthew
Good her brief father.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes, her brief father, I who obviously was gonna die
in the navy.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
What's he from? Because I also love him? And why? Okay, Yeah,
I liked the number of men in this. It's like
people in society are really racist except for a handful
of random men who don't believe in racism at all.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
That was where I was like, Okay, I get that
we as the audience have to be on their side totally.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's the only way that we as a modern audience.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, except for this, There's no way I know that
these guys were that awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's almost like the real version of whatever their love
would be would be so disturbing for our ears. And
I owe her and Divinier, both young and Papa, like
just what their their respect for Dido would be because
already I mean, like that's the point of the movie.
So Didoh is their child and they love her and
(23:37):
they treat her like their family member. It's it's all
normal style until they're like gonna have guests and then
they're like, well, you can't eat with us. You can't eat.
It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You can join us after, but you can't dine, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So there's all these weird It's it's an interesting story
of like I'm too high society for this, but I'm
too low status for this. Like what because she is
like the highest society even of her family members, because
her dad the soldier guy Matthew Good had like the
most money, so she ends up once he passes away.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Being yeah, she's got a lit dowry. Yeah she has
this lit dowry hen inheritance. But anyway, yeah, I think
that we probably couldn't handle what it looks like for
them to their version of respect for Dido at the
time when the slave trade was in full swing and
the way that race was talked about was like.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Come crazy crazy. So I get when they had to
do this.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I love, I love your experiences. You've noted they live
in a mansion and still share a room, can we Okay?
An incredible point.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Is so big. It's so big and they share a
little sister room with twin best which I love, don't
get me wrong, Yeah, of course, But I could not
believe that. Why is that possibly the situation I have
to have, like idea thirty rooms and the like the
(25:09):
girls that the girls, I couldn't tell how old they
were because every now and then they're like, you're a teenager,
you're a minor or something.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, like these are two thirty year old women. I
don't know, comfortably thirty. I wanted to say, like seventeen eighteen.
I feel like that's the age that you, like present,
you come out into society, you debut.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Uh huh, yeah, anyway, I don't know, Leanna. You said, oh,
he is absolutely going to die in the navy, and
he did, yes, and he did and he did. Then
you said, Yep, there's racism.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yes, yeah, there it is the yeah. Like seconds into
meeting her family, somebody says that insane like, oh, okay,
the women in these movies, I feel like, are especially cruel. Yeah,
which always always it's like the man is the savior.
Even in this movie, which was directed by a woman
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of color, it was definitely it didn't have white savior
vibes in the way that a.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Movie like this for sure could have. Totally.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Still, I feel like her, her aunt and her mamma,
like they sort of come around eventually.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
They do, yeah, which is probably how it would be.
They'd be super racist at the beginning and then chill
out because this is there, this is their family member.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, they do that racist thing of like, well, you're
not like others.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yes, yeah, you're you're you're special, You're one of the
good ones. And I understand you.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Leonna.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
You've said, Lord Chief Justice the Lord Chief Justice.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, I know, this is where it was starting to click,
and I was saying, now, wait.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
A second, wait, wait a second, I think I know
about this. They've said enough of the words from this
thing that I completely read about. I think that maybe okay,
But to be.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Fair to me, that thing took up two pages of
a book with small font totally that was over five
hundred pages long.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Definitely okay.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yes, honestly a testament to my memory for working for
once in its life.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That is very true. And thank you for that and congratulates,
thank you and thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Oh yes, correct, you've noted. Omg, it's Malfoy, it's fucking guy.
I could not believe ass Felton.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Tom Felton, that's right. So Tom Felton and his.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Taller brother played by James Norton, a man I'm very
afraid of.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yes, are these girls' only prospects all of England? The
taller one is like, listen, I don't have a problem
with Didoh being black because she's gorgeous, which I'm glad
that somebody admitted. So beautiful. Yeah, there were times where
(28:16):
I was just like watching her with jaw dropped.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Her sister also extremely gorgeous. Yeah. I was worried her
sister was going to be a racist bit and then
she mostly wasn't. She was just kind of like dumb,
yeah a little bit, which was so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
But yeah, they were they were sisters sisters, but yeah,
they're really There's the taller one is like, you're gorgeous
and that's all that matters to me. And also you're
extremely rich and that would be hot. And maybe I'm
a little bit weird. I'm maybe gonna be a little
bit weird about you being black, and like there's definitely
(28:56):
some things about my family where they're not going to
accept you, but I think, yeah, cool, baby.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
My family hates you, but I think I think you're
hot as hell. Yeah. And then Malfoy and Tom Felton.
We are very anti Tom at pres because he has
simply just continued to do Harry Potter project, really, even
in the wake of all the JK Rowling transphobia and
(29:20):
turf nonsense, and he's just like, yeah, eh, whereas like
other Harry Potter cast members like Daniel Radcliffe and Emma
Watson have spoken out vehemently yeah and been like no, no,
I disagree, But he's in this and he sucks in it. Yeah,
and he sucks I r L. So I was like, well, yeah,
I guess I just hated to see it. I hate
(29:42):
I was not excited about that. He really has a
villain face.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He was since he was they were like, you're a villain. Yeah,
you are not a good dude. But he is just
like the one of the crazy racist characters and just
like m cruel and classic z ill Yeah. But I
couldn't believe this is like all they had to work with, Like, damn.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
No, they prospects. I guess the marriage market is just
that competitive and they don't. Elizabeth has like apparently nothing
to offer. She has no money, Leanna.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I think this is very like sums up the movie.
You've said, even when they transcend race, English classism will persist.
The classism is so crazy, like someone will walk up,
will walk up and they'll go like, oh, the son
of a vicar. You're like, you haven't talked about anything.
What does that mean? You haven't even discussed the weather.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
No, And it's that's something that I still have a
hard time wrapping my head around living here, because it's
still such a thing like people in England and in
the UK can tell each other's class from each other's accents.
That is so, which is something that I still can't distinguished,
Like you can tell a Posh accent because it sounds
(31:03):
like everybody on the crown.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I mean that one's really crazy because it's got like
German influences or something. But other than that, I'm like,
I don't really know. I obviously know that they are
different from one another, but that wouldn't tell me like, oh,
I now know everything about how you were raised and
where you went to stroll right, and it's likely what
industry you now work in.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Like that's crazy. Yeah, that is just not something we have.
That is so it runs deep nuts.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Oh Si, I know this is a really yeah you've written.
I don't like that fireworks existed when the slave trade
was in full swing.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That was disturbing to me. Also on the eve of
fourth of Julaane here in the United States of the
US of ass Yeah, I does it kind of makes
sense like that, like fireworks, I guess it can fit
in to the world now that my brain is placing
(32:06):
it into the world of like the seventeen hundreds, then
the eighteenth and century A nineteenth century, like that does.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
And what is it about them existing that you that
you dislike? Is it the inherently like celebratory nature of
fireworks it feels Is it the idea that like we've
progressed scientifically but not like on a human level.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yes, that mainly that I'm like, that feels too modern
of an invention for us to be torturing people on
a large mass scale. But we're still torturing people. There's
still we still have capitalism. Yeah. Anyway, for some reason,
(32:54):
I just couldn't. I'm like, those two things shouldn't be
there together. But I guess I don't know what the
science behind fireworks are. And it makes sense that of
all the things we could be playing with in the
seventeenth century, it's fire Yeah. Things thing go boom yeah.
And like the guns, oh yeah, gunpowder. It kind of
it fits in with me with musket culture, you know,
(33:17):
like it, Yeah, musket core. Fireworks are pretty musket core
if you think abouty muskeet core anyway. But yes, you've
summed it up. Well, that's disturbing to me, Leonna. You said,
from the dawn of time it has been psycotique to
be a woman.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, my god, the scene where Elizabeth has to just
sit and play the piano forte and sing directly at
a man.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I loved how she was singing. It was just high
and loud, high and loud, high and loud, like.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
All of their hair.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
God it was.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's just so like literally, to be a woman is
to perform. From the dawn of time, women have been
taught to literally perf put on a show in order
to win the affections of a rich man. Can I
Oh my god, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
The idea of sitting at a piano and looking a
dead eyed man directly in the ugly face and then going.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh, mama, do you like that?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And that's all that they were raised to. All the
skills they acquire is to then audition for men as
their wives. Yeah, yes, like, oh I speak French, I
can do embroidery, I know Latin, I play the piano forte.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
That's it. She even later. I found this very interesting
when Bet is one who like she really wants a
husband and she kind of like talks about things romantically,
like yes, she'd love to fall in love, but even
she is like, well, like didoh isn't it cool that
you just have money, so you don't have to like
literally try to impress some silly man and like marry him. Yeah,
(35:15):
because she's like, why would you do that if you
had money. I don't. There's no reason, Like she is
one of the most sort of romantic thinkers, and she's
even like that makes no sense, Like I'm just auditioning
for boys because I literally need to do this so
I can eat.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Eat Totally so wild.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Okay, Leanna, you said congratulations to this man who can
pull off a stupid low pony. Yeah you really can.
I loved her love interests deep. I actually quite wrote this.
They had social justice in Mister Darcy time that was
(36:01):
also wild forty years before, which is nuts. That's through times.
I love that that they were like guys walking around
being like this isn't right. I have an activist group,
which of course makes sense, and that's like supposed to
be what the United States was sort of founded upon,
was like people gathering, people gathering and talking about things
(36:22):
that aren't right and having revolutions and things. But yeah,
in England, I forgot they did that, even though I
did watch Out and Abby and you know, they do
sometimes meet in community centers and commun wrong of course,
but I didn't know they talked much about right and
wrong at the time. I thought they all had to
(36:42):
just like I don't know, and I feel like they're
are about this street fish and stuff you sell their
street fish of course, not to be confused with the.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
The house fish. What's I guess unique about this movie.
I feel like often what we'll see in period pieces
of people gathering to.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Like, hey, this is wrong. We need to like rise up.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's about something that's impacting them specifically. So so much
of the time it's like women suffrage. It's like we
need a place in society.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
We deserve this. Yeah, Unions.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
The US Revolution was like we the white men, the
land owning white men, are being oppressed.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That ain't right.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
We should set up our own society so we can
oppress other people as is our god given right. But
this one is saying, like, what's being done to these
other this group of people is wrong, and that is
a hard thing to wrap your head around. Like people
in the very long ago past having that take.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
That is a really good point. Yeah, And there were
so many white people there doing that. There are so
few black people in this movie, which is the point
she's like, I am the only black person I know,
I know, literally the only one I know.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And then there's should they have one black maid who's like,
please let me help you with your hair?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yes, and Dido's like doing it terribly. Dino's immediately like Okay,
I love her, I'm obsessed with you.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Thank god you're here, which was very cute.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go do one
of my activities like walk or emboider. We'll be right back.
Mm hmm oh. I feel like they do such a
good job of roasting while also accepting bet, which is
(38:40):
that like that's like, what the hell I wanna eat
with my sister. And then it's like, well, boys are coming,
and she's like boys.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Boys, which is like like it's not right that that
Dino can't join us, and they're like, well, then you'll
miss the boys, and she's like, never mind.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I can't do that, which again makes sense with her motives,
like they make it. But it's like because of her
motives and what she's concerned about, she can't really be
a supporter. Just like, damn, that's taken a white like
that is so down, it's so real.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's like that you you have to play into the
patriarchy to survive, and the patriarchy is inherently racist, so
in doing so, you will always be putting down people
of color. Yep.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, yeah, I thought they kind of elegantly because it
also wasn't like her sister's like completely racist or and
when she finally they have their fight, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I thought she was going to be super racist. Yeah,
but then it was like you're illegitimate.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, it's like class and properness, and you know, like
I don't think she thinks about that much, but she
also doesn't think about it in a way where she
under she doesn't understand it's like different for her sister. Yeah, anyway,
it was interesting. I was I was I was interested
in that. I was interested. You said, need everyone to
(39:56):
be much more embarrassed by these wigs.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oh my god, they were really getting out of control.
In the scenes where the judge enters to make his
like official ruling.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That's about the time I fell asleep, So I kept
like opening my eyes. I fell asleep for like six minutes.
I kept opening my eyes and seeing wigs and then.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Every time, Yeah, they still wear wigs today.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Good for them when they do no good for them.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
This must be stop or everyone looks stupid.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
It's so dumb, Leanni, you said I love her with
every breath I breathe.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Is that so hard to admit? Then shortly after, when
am I going to be in a carriage with somebody
just screaming in my father's face?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah? He wasn't I love her with every breath I breathe. Yep,
you've said with somebody kiss please? Yeah? I did a
few times, right, make out, make out please? Hello? Hello.
Then you said Bridgerton has made all period romance. This
is underwhelming. Yeah, because they're not just boning right in
the midd I mean, mind you, this was twenty thirteen.
This was long before the COVID horniness that elevated Bridgerton
(41:10):
to start. It was made in twenty thirteen. I know,
isn't that crazy? I am impressed with that. I know.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
This is what happens when you let black women do
things like they just do it very well ahead of
its time.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It really seems like it's from like last year. Yeah hmm.
And Leona, your final note is work, work, worle It
really is an exciting story.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was well done.
And let us move on into our badges and trages,
where we award badges.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
For black women.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yes, badges for black directors, black women directors, and tradges for.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
The trading of human Oh my gosh, of course, yes, yes, Oh.
My first badge is a badge for historical context up
top when they say it's seventeen sixty nine. But I
did say, also prayers to Sienna because I know she's
not seeing that. I didn't see it with my eyes.
Yeah badge. My first badge somehow is when Bet sings Lol. Yeah,
(42:23):
we said high and loud. She is just throwing ass,
trying to get a husband.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
A badge for this old woman hates the white kid.
This was when I thought, I assumed the white child
was gonna be just absolutely the worst. I didn't realize
they were gonna be pals and sisters and so aunt
Mary just being so annoyed by the white kid. I
was like, yes, good.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Badge for the romance. I thought that romance was was sweet.
I just I just I was, I was. I was
all in on the mister Darcy social justice vibe.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, badge for Aunt Mary hates the French. She keeps
being like, don't stop speaking French, don't do that, do
not do that. That's I also don't get them, like
is that fancy at this time?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Is it not? I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, they just the English fucking hate the French and
they still do. And it's really funny.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That is hilarious. I love it, Badge Force, similar to uh,
I wrote b plot, but that is not the right
way to acknowledge them talking about the song the whole time.
(43:39):
But what I was trying to say was sort of
the subplot the whole time, like that, as all of
her life and the romances and things are going on,
what they're coming back to is this historical massacre this
and this legal situation which they're talking about very honestly,
and it was very interesting. Yeah, that really kept me
like oh oh oh, and I was so interested to
(44:02):
learn about it. I'm glad I know about it.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, Badge For, they did not go easy on Tom
Felton's receding hairline. Even in a wig, he had a
receding hairline, and I said, good, it was terrible. Badge
For the reality of the London Wind's impact on hair.
When three of the ladies are walking through Vauxhall at
(44:24):
the party ball thing, the wind is blowing so hard
that it's ruining their wigs, and I was like, thank
you for saying that, because that is actually what happens.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
You can try.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You can have all the money in the world and
the wind will still get you.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Badge for a night cap. Her father is at one
point wearing a night cap and boy.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Is he's Yeah. Badge for the way that that woman
said scoundrel. Lady Ashford says scoundrel. She delivers that word
in a really amazing way.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Badge for barrenness on a boat. That was a quick
little moment there. Loved her.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah around who was that everyone hates her? She just
glides by and shows that you hello.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
And is lightly rude. It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh badge for I love this pink dress that Dido
is in in some scene and it's.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Like a deep sort of.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Dark, like deeper than Fusia but close to fushia, and
it's oh gorgeous love.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
My final badge is for her and her papa having
a moment at the end. I thought that was nice
because a lot of the story feels like it's like
a romance, and hmm, I didn't take it as just
like an It just her and her dad learning to
understand each other, or her and her dad as as
he is going through this very profound thing, having a
(45:56):
you know, a black niece and dealing with this historical
legal moment. But I don't know, I found that. I
found that very very moving. And then there's like a
moment where he even as fantastical as it might be,
a moment where he's like, love your kid, Hey, love
(46:17):
you girly.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
My final badge is a badge for Mary holding two
jugs and looking shocked, you know what you're talking about,
whispering at her and telling her to keep it a
secret that she's sneaking out. And Mary's just holding two
jugs and open mouthed, and it's like, uh.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I, also, what do I do? Minutes after that past,
that image was still ringing through my head.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Oh god, it was truly comical. It was so funny,
so fast tragic.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah. I didn't write that many down because my trages
are mostly existential trage. Yeah, okay, my first one I'll
say is all the existential trages, the slave trade, the
song massacre, which was horrific to learn about all the classes,
her family not letting her eat with them, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. But I learned a lot. I
(47:10):
guess about the time.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, great trage for Matthew Good was in this for
like two seconds, not nearly enough time for Matthew Good
to be in something.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
My final trage is Malfoy being an yes, a whole
and in real life and of the movie still a
piece of garbage.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah. My next trage is for Tom Felton whoo trage
for oh yep, a trage every time Tom Felton is
on screen.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
And then.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Two more trages. One is for the movie does have
some twenty thirteen energy where I think if it was
made now, regardless of whether or not this is period
or historically accurate, I think the energy would be very
like you don't have to marry Oh my God, thank
(48:00):
God and you and like I think Didah would be
extremely happy about that and be like men are stupid
and terrible. I'm gonna like be the one who solves
this court case, not like help a guy solve it.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
It's tough though, because she's incredibly lonely because she's been
extremely isolated because of her race, Like I understand that
she has such a specific role with that, but yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Maybe her sister would be that way then, but somebody
would be like, you are so lucky that you don't
have to deal with it, like they'd say it harder
than Elizabeth says it in the movie totally.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
And then my final.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Trage is a little bit for this portrait of the
two sisters in the movie and the actual one, because
why is she kind of like a fairy flying away?
She say, just also be a person, And I think
it was nodding to the fact that, like often in
portraiture at that time, it was like fashionable to have
(48:55):
like a black child with you in the portrait, So
it felt like a weird middle ground.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Again.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
I mean, it's like she doesn't she's not neither here
nor there, even in the portrait setting.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I found that so fascinating as a through line in
the movie, that she she's like, I don't want to
be I didn't understand at first why she didn't want
to be painted. I'm like, I understand that there must,
but I just don't understand what the specific reason is
that the movie's trying to tell me. And I didn't
realize how much of a tradition of having like a
black accessory. Yes, y, there was, but this movie really
(49:31):
like pointed that out to me. Yeah, because she keeps
looking and she's like, I don't want to be in
this because there's literally all of these freaking pictures where
there's like a black child at the bottom or something,
or like a servant somewhere, and I don't want that.
I don't I don't want to see that. Yeah, yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Okay, I mean, even is there time to do this
segment or should we skip it?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Okay, we'll do a quick Oh, how to pretend you've
seen this film, which is where.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Malfoy is Lord Ashford.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Lord Ashford is prowling around the grounds.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
All he does looking for a while you're just trying
to promenade.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
And you go, oh ah, I'm just basking out here.
I'm taking a walk because that's what I do in
this time. I don't know, and he goes, hey, I
just saw a movie. Perfect movie. I love twenty thirteen
my favorite year for talking about race. Felt like we
advanced a perfect amount by then.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
We should have stopped I'm going to tell you all about.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
This movie because I understand it better than you.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
The movie Bell, And in order to recede, Lord Ashford's
hairlines so far back that he has to turn around
and catch it. We're going to give you a few
sentences you can say to pretend you've seen the film Bell. Yes,
Lord Ashford, I've seen the film Bell. Actually, your dad
in the film says a line to your less terrible
(51:05):
brother that I wish my crushes would heed. She cannot
know your thoughts unless you offer them to her, And
I said, louder for the people watching my Instagram stories,
please please, I invite you, I invoke, I invite your
replies and perhaps a bit of initiative.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Thank you, thank you. Yes, Lord Ashford, I have seen
the film Bell. An early version of the script was
called Bell and Bet and focus on the relationship between
Dido and her cousin Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Kind of obsessed with it. They started writing it and
they're like, no, it's no good. That's the French title
for Beauty and the Beast, Is it really?
Speaker 1 (51:47):
That's yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:48):
La belle e la bete French means beast.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
They probably so funny. Wait, imagine you beast. I know,
I know, and she speaks friends. She terrible.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yes, Lord Ashford, I have seen Belle Dido spits some
absolute bars when ending her engagement and saying to her family,
to the family, why she doesn't want to enter into
theirs with forgiveness of my bloodline is both unnecessary and
without grace. And I said, oh my god, Sleigh Sleigh.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Okay, yes, yes, Lord Ashford, I have seen the film Belle.
John Devinier's real occupation. Real occupation was French man servant
working as balet, not an English apprentice lawyer. Oh he
(52:54):
was French. Oh my god it Mary would have hated that.
It's just funny for them to say that his occupation
was being French.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, yes, Lord Ashford, I've seen Bell But I have
to go now because father has purchased me a position
in the navy.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Hi you Waller Oho, Well should I move on to
our next segment? Yes? Of course. Should you watch this
or mm hmm, Leanna, what do you tell you if
we think you should watch this movie or if you
should do something else with your court case? I would
say yes, I think Belle is very worth watching. I
think I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Very like It's aesthetically beautiful because it's the time period
and the fashion. It's interesting, it's historical, it's romantic. The
acting is very good in it. So I would say
should you watch this? And I recommend the book Black
and British, A Forgotten History updated with a new chapter
(53:55):
by David Olusoga.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Very good. What would you say? It's very good. I
would also say you can watch this movie. I really
enjoyed it. When I got to the end, I was like, Wow,
that was great because it's got what you want if
you're looking for like a British British class movie. It's
(54:18):
genuinely what era is this, do you know what? Like historically?
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, it's Georgian, like seventeen eighty five, I think.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Cool if you're looking for like classic Georgian British film
Bridgerton Vibes, but like, yeah, historical historical film. It it was.
It was really good. I thought it was gonna be
like a little bit more just like I don't know, preachy.
(54:50):
I thought it was gonna be more like made by
white people, which I'm sure. I'm sure there was many
annoying things and making it. But you know, for twenty
thirteen film about a mixed race, a person in high society.
It was very interesting, like they dealt with some complex stuff.
So yes, and I really enjoyed it, so I would
recommend y. What would you rate the film, Leanna?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
I would give Bell honestly five unripped bodices out of five.
Do I wish a bodice had been ripped?
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Was that part of the film's journey? Absolutely not, And
I acknowledge that I really enjoyed it. I thought it
was really well done. It was fun, feeling like I
was learning more about something that I realized I had
learned about previously. And great acting and gowns, beautiful gowns.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Sianna, what would you rate it? I'm gonna give this
film four point eight side pony curls out of five.
The point two comes off because I do not understand
what they were talking about. There were many sentences they
(56:04):
said that I went, I don't understand what, But honestly,
all the legislative stuff actually did make sense, so that
part was cool work Anyway, Slay loved it. That was
a great film.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Great film. That's been our review of Bell. Thank you
everybody for listening. If you'd like more from us. You
can find us on Instagram at tossed Popcorn. We post
memes with stills of every film every week and they're good,
so have a look. And we're also on Patreon at
(56:39):
patreon dot com slash toss Popcorn if you feel like
donating to the cause of two idiots watching films and
talking about womanhood, and join us next week when we
will be watching Wayne's World.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Thank you, We love you. Bye. You can find us
on Instagram as at Sienna Jaco and at Leanna Holsten.
Please check the description for the spelling of our dumb names.
We put out episodes every Tuesday, so make sure to
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was the father of this. I don't, I can't. I
can't perceive that information.
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