October 21, 2025 • 60 mins
BOO! Enroll this semester for amish (?) apparitions, disdainful department heads, and frightening frat parties. The person most confused by the film this week was: Liv's mom who kept calling and speaking so slowly?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Every Night too one. Yes, I liked your wind up too,
thank you. I'm trying this new thing where I sit
comfortably for the recording and as a result, the mic
is much closer to me because I might see back.
We'n a relaxed woman today. Wow, Okay, so random, fantastic. Hi.
(00:31):
I'm Sianna Jacob.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And I'm Leanna Holsten, and welcome to Tosscorn, the podcast
where two idiots watched every film on the AFI's one
hundred Greatest American Movies of All Time, the very slightly
less Racist tenth Anniversary edition, and are now watching films
directed by women.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And guess what In addition to all that. Right now, it's.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Spooky season, so we're watching spooky movies.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
This podcast is a safe university for people who don't
know anything about movies. Today we're watching Master Hawthorne went Ham.
I think we can all agree. Warning there will be
spoilers about this very recent, very relevant, yes film content.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Warning.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
We will be talking about anti black racism, hate crimes,
hate crimes, self harms, self harmly salt question mark girl,
I don't know what happened with that I don't know
what that was. I'm sorry. What was going on there?
Sometimes symbolism having to do with the KKK, so a
(01:53):
lot of yeah, a lot of stuff to be aware of. Okay,
it was spooky. It's gonna be a time hey, yeah, yeah, okay,
one of my predictions. I'm embarrassed by my prediction. Okay, fantastic.
Let's start with that. I know, okay, ready, uh huh.
(02:18):
But she's comfortable. I'm comfortable, but I'm embarrassed. That's me
at a massage. That's so me at a massage, comfortable
and embarrassed. I really see that, I really see that. Hi, Sienna,
it's Leanna. I'm about to watch Master. I accidentally read
(02:41):
a little blurb about this while looking up where to
watch it. So I predict there'll be spooky sort of
hopefully like academia psychological vibes. Yeah, and I hope there's
not racism, but it's insane to hope that it's not
Embarrasing's likely that there's gonna be racism. Yeah, I love you, Bob.
(03:06):
That's not that embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I think you actually did it. I thought it was
going to be like, oh, I read a little blurb
and I think it's gonna be like I don't know,
like spooky books, like books are alive.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, but this movie was so specifically about racism, and
I was like, I hope there's not racism in it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think you did predict that. You were just trying
to you were just you were just hoping.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I was being a white American already, Sienna, I'd love
to hear your prediction. Please high Leanna. It's Sienna. I'm
about to watch Master sounds racist. It's a spooky movie.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm so maybe it'll be dealing with such concepts in
a scary way, which scares me. But maybe we'll be cathartic.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Hmmmm hmm. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh that we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I hope I don't get too scared. I love you, goodbye?
Mmm this yes, Oh, there's so much I want to
talk about but we can't get. But we can't yet,
we can't yet. First let's take girl, Hey girl, Oh
my god, you first this week? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well, I just washed my hair, as I told you,
which made us st late. But I've been it's like
gotten to the point this week where every time I
go out I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
God, I need to wash my hair so bad.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The last couple of days it's just been, it's just been,
it's been hell on my head.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So I'm happy about that, I understand. But today I
dry shampooed so hard before work that I was sure
all day that I was flammable. If I get your flame,
it's over for me. Just go straight up. Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I think we talked about one time that one of
my hairstylists once told me that curly hair though, because
it's oh she's yelling.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Sorry, I won't take it personally, and I know how comfortable
you are.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I'm just really comfortable. But no, I'm embarrassed again what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I know you're not actually on it because I'm boring,
but what I'm saying is boring. But apparently curly hair,
it curls such that a hairstylist told me, she was like,
you're just gonna like some weeks you might think your
hair looks really bad, and it's just because like your
hair is curling in a way that like you don't like,
and it'll okay, the coil will curl back. Yeah, so
(05:41):
you kind of have to wait. So basically, she was.
She was telling me, like, there are some really bad
hair weeks and other good hair weeks last week when
I was visiting my family and we like took some photos.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Bad hair week for me. Oh, for God's sake, so tough.
God damn it, God damn it. But thiss so hard.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So anyway, I guess my whole update
is just sort of about my hair.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's washed. Yeah, Hey girl, how you doing? Hey girl, Well,
I'm leaving town. I'm on an airplane in twelve and
a half hour, are you guys? And I feel chill
about that. Going to Maine? Oh my god, I know
for how I'm going to Main to turn off my brain, going.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
For a week just by yourself or as some of
your family.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
My parents, my parents will be there. And the leaves,
the autumn leaves. I'm going leaf peeping, which makes me
feel like a pervert when I say that. Yeah, why
is that a thing? I don't think anybody should say.
Keep I've never heard of that until this year, is like,
or until this year. It's East Coast, which I know
(06:48):
you kind of don't acknowledge. Well, I just heard about it.
I heard about it for the first time.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And now I've heard it so many times, the constant peeping.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
But it's just like what they call it on the
East Coast when you go to look at the leaves.
I think, so, I think, so wow.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Sure, well I really believe in taking a trip in
the fall.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So I'm really happy you're going to Maine. Thank you.
I'm very pleased. As of right now, well, I guess
after this recording, I will be on holidays. My goal
is to have no thoughts for a week.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
That's great, and all we have to do first is
talk about the concept of racism in the horror and
how institutionally, how it's ingrained in our sience.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah. And then after that, no thoughts, no thoughts, no
more thought Yeah. I yeah. This movie tackled a lot,
a lot. Some would say too much. I don't know.
But Sienna, before we get into our thoughts on it,
could you please give us a synopsis of the film Master, Yes,
(07:58):
Master twenty two.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Jasmine is black at an elite, predominantly white college. She
is assigned to a notoriously haunted room, and she begins
experiencing haunting horrors. Are they supernatural or are they just
stone cold? Actual racism?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Following her around.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Kind of the real main character of this or like
the real focus is on Gail, a house master is
what they're called at the university, who observes the white
supremacist past of the home that she's been assigned, and
she tries to help Jasmine.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But it's everywhere, and there's also sort of.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Amish an Amish element.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
There's an Amish fine.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's importantly it seems this town is like near a
place where a religious community is because community. Part of
the scariness is that you're like, oh, this the haunted room.
There was like a woman from the Witch Trials who yes,
maybe died by suicide. Who was killed?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I don't remember, but I think she got burned. Okay, yeah,
I guess that would make sense. Be sure she got burned,
so she was killed, got burned?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Uh, but she you know, there's a lot of like
seeing things like the movie is.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I read a little bit about it just to confirm.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, there's a lot of like seeing stuff, and it's
unclear if it's her imagination, her sleepwalking scary dreams, or
if it's like, you know, an actual the witch as
they call it, the witch could ghost her.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah. Yeah, there's so much going on. There is a
lot going on. There's a lot going on. Oh my god.
I tried to get a linen nepkin, but all I
got was a drawer full of maggot. I need to
call someone about this. Give me a few minutes. We'll
be right back. Let's get into our phone notes, the
(10:13):
section of the podcast, of course where we look at
the notes of course that the other person, of course
took on their phone while watching the movie. But before that,
just like up top, I want to say I enjoyed
this movie a lot. I really liked so much of it.
I loved the spooky elements. It was so spooky, spooktinta,
and the commentary was giving about being a student of
color at a PWI primarily white institution. I also think
(10:37):
it took on a few too many things in one go.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Why because there was a Rachel Dolezal who was Amish,
and you went, hold on, eh.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I did not even know we were talking about her story.
And then that didn't really get tied up. There were
a lot of loose ends, and there was a part
of it where I was like, are you trying to
tackle the issue of essay on college camp? In addition,
or is did they like kill them? Why did that
girl leave? What was going on? So there were a
(11:08):
few that was my biggest question questions by the end
that I thought, Hey, we could have done without these
actual these additional things and just this main thing. Yeah,
I think that's a good fine. I think it's a
good critique.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And also I feel the same where Yeah, I mean,
like honestly, horror movies about racism.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Are just so.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's such a powerful lens to look through racism because
it really is something that haunts our country literally, yeah,
and it's so hard to grasp. I really liked what
she said about this one where she's like, you can't
catch it, but it's like.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Always there, and you can't like pin it down to
show it to other people, to prove it or to
kill it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It's just like there, and some people see it and
some people don't, And.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I was very excited when I started it, and I
also agree that I really I thought, I all around
just enjoyed it a lot. But I do agree when
I left with questions like what I did leave with
why did her white roommate leave?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Why? Why? What happened to the Witch. Where did the
witch go? The witch was a big part of it,
and then she wasn't addressed at the end. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
When I was reading up on it, there was a
pitch that maybe the witch was Rachel Dolazol, and I said, sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I thought that as well. But I thought that I
also thought maybe the witch was a metaphor for slavery. Yeah,
also started in the sixteen hundreds, but that kind of
felt like a reach. Okay, that's good. I need a
book club about this, so thank god we've got this podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Leana, you said, how do people always have a manageable
amount of luggage.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
From when they were at this I in any film? Yeah,
when people are traveling, they have one suitcase, one carry on,
and a little backpack, and none of the bags are
completely filled to the brim. When I travel, I have
overstuffed plane sized suitcase that I've sat on and shoved
down so it still fits in the overhead compartment because
(13:15):
I'm not paying an extra to check a bag. I
have a carry on that's the size of my torso
at from all sides. It's the size and circumference of
my torso filled so that it feels as if I've
put only bricks in it. Yeah, and then somehow like
several loose coats that I'm carrying with me through the
(13:36):
airport packing ian and I'm sweating, and I never can
carry things in a manageable sort of petite way. Yeah,
I can't do anything in a petite way. How do
they always do things so petitely?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And whenever I bring a lot of clothes, I always
I'm always grateful for all of them that I brought.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
That's nice. That's comforting to hear, because I'll be packing
right after this and I'm gonna bring too many clothes.
You should, you know what you should. Also, it's cold,
it's gonna be big clothes, big clothes. I gotta bring
my big clothes. What are you supposed to do. I'm
supposed to pack my big clothes. I'm gonna have to
wear some of the big clothes on the plane.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Okay, Leonna, you've said I'm tyler. Of course you are.
They did job by making these people terrifying.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You said, this is already properly horrific. But it's just
hanging out with mean girls that that age. Yeah, I
thought you wrote mean girls that ageing scarier than a
woman who ages. Yeah, it was so it took me
back in many ways. It took me back to having
attended a p w I but as a w and
(14:51):
gone to like frat parties with this exact tyler. I
was a W.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes, and it was just so they were very accurately
kind of terrifying college rich kids.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I'd say, hm for sure, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
When they came in and everybody was sitting on her
bed and like that is exactly the kind of.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
When they were all sitting on her bed and they
got quiet and they stayed quiet. When she went in,
Eliza and I both were cringing so hard because it
was so real. I think that was such a big
part of the horror experience is like it captures so
much of like the social anxieties of being a freshman
in college, and then layers on top of that also
(15:37):
being a black person at a PWI totally so, which
is like obviously not an experience that we had, but
it telescopes it so effectively. Yeah, that you're just like
shuddering the whole time.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, Leanna, you've said, okay, let's go, let's talk about horror.
You've said horror is weird because I can't tell if
the dialogue is meant to be unsettling or or if
it's just bad. Do you remember what that was in reference.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
To Yes, many of the scenes. It was particularly I
think the scene at the library where she's checking her
books out. That was the library. That was exactly what
I thought of when you said, really, yeah, where they're
doing very expositional dialogue about Margaret, that girl and then
also that girl who died, so Margaret is the ghost,
(16:30):
and then there's a girl who died in her room
in the fifth Rice, Yeah, who was the first black
student at the university. And basically that's the dialogue that
they have. And I was like, I can't tell if
this was written intentionally stiltedly to make me feel unsettled yeah,
or if it was just maybe a little bit bad.
(16:51):
But that's I think maybe part of horror is like
they do that kind of expositional speak where it's like,
come on, Mary, your mom died over a year ago,
aren't you over that by now? And you're like, what
the hell? Nobody I know whatever say this. But that's
kind of the thing, is like, oh, they're not being normal.
Things are weird. They're not normal. They are scary. Yeah,
(17:11):
you know, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, there was a moment in this one where that
old lady. I don't usually I also never understand anything
in movies, and I think I just in horror movies.
I'm like, Okay, it's exactly like you said. I'm like,
I guess this is just because it's scary even though
we don't understand. So she like goes in way later
finds that old lady at the hospital who's like, Who's like, yeh.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, I thought maybe that was like the Witch Margaret.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
First it seems like the witch, but then it's just
this old woman. But then it's like, well's racist lady.
We thought she saw the witch and the witches within
many people, even this old lady, and which is shews
racist things at her. But then she starts yelling over
and over this.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Is my house. Yeah, this is my yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And I know that's just like a simple phrase, but
they said it so many times and I just like
I really was like, oh my god, that is that's
that's what white supremacy is.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's just like get out of my you. I need
you here and mine. I want your help.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Because but this is mine this is mine. It's always mine,
It's gonna be mine. This college is mine, this country.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Is my power, this house is mine, in my control.
You think you have power, now get like this is
mine and you need to know it's mine. I just
was like by that.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Point of the movie, it was so effective for me.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah anyway, Oh yeah, Sienna, you noted, Oh god, this
was so it was so well done. You noted, No,
they're gonna say the N word? No, no, Okay. So
she goes to a frat party and then there's a
hip hop song playing and you know, like before it
(18:56):
happened that this room full of white kids is gonna
sing the N word. She's the song. She's the only
black person there.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And it's like the scene of everybody like closing in
and like staring at her, because yeah, there's also the
thing of like this like voyeurism of everybody like watching her.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Also, yeah, totally, and you told you we've seen this happen.
Like this would happen when I was in school, like
high school or at college, Like if there was like
a black person on the dance floor, people would like
form a circle around them and be like, oh, they're
probably an amazing dances, like people just fully profile them.
It's weird. It's very spooky. It's spooky. Yeah, yeah, that
(19:40):
was a so like it feels kind of ft watching
this and being like, so spooky, what do you mean
this as a white person being like, yeah, it was
really spooky when that happened. It's like, this is fully
people's experience. I know, I know, but yeah, it was
(20:01):
just like I have a note later in my notes
that was just like it, it must be so hard
to have fun when there is racial oppression happening totally,
like just seeing her, she's going to the party, She's like,
I'm with my friends, I'm gonna go have fun. The
guy at the front door blocks her from going in
and is like we're at capacity, which is fully like
(20:23):
he's just doing that because she's black and she's not
with her white friends. And then her white friend comes
back out and is like she's with us, Like what
the fuck? And she goes in and she's like, okay,
I'll shake that off and I'll just like have fun,
I'll dance. I'm just here to dance and have fun.
And then that song comes on and all these white
kids starts singing the end word, and it's like, fuck me,
it's just after it's one thing right after another, and
(20:45):
it's so common and it's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
As when she starts, Yeah, when she starts dancing, everybody
like looks at her because they're like, yeah, that's different.
And that's when the guy like falls in love with her.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh my god, I hated that. He's fucking Tyler man.
I know, God damn it, Tyler. I.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's such a good point. I do like
that's That's one thing I did think was really they
I appreciate about this movie.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
They did like a the like.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Kind of zooming in on some of these little moments.
I mean, I guess literally microaggressions is what you could
call them. Yeah, but zooming in on them in college,
and this is something that like, yeah I remember from college,
h totally zooming in on them and making them all
like horror sequences was yeah, I don't know, it just
like gave them the weight of the of the weirdness
(21:37):
that they deserve. You know, she's like already so lonely
and vulnerable. You can feel it, so it's so palpable.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And then as soon as.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's like you've offended your roommate. I was just so
scared about what was going to happen. And actually some
of her friends ended up still being her friends, so
it didn't seem to matter because yeah, that girl left
the school.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I don't know that bit was a it was a mess.
It's not clearly communicated. I but yeah, I didn't like
that bit at all. Okay, let's just talk about it.
So Regina Hall is going on a spooky walk, a
spooky run through a graveyard in the night, as you
do in icy weather, as again one must, and she
(22:19):
happens upon this did make me laugh where the jump
scare was just a white guy in a flannel and
I thought that was it. Thought it was hilarious. But
it's just a white man that is, so that is
the scariest thing. But then her roommate is like with
him at a tree and she's on the ground and
her knee is cut and she's crying, and then you're like,
(22:41):
oh god, is that are they doing that with this? Yeah,
because then she's like, are okay, did anything happen? And
she's like, oh am I going to get in trouble?
I don't, and she's like, we need to go to
the nurse and she's like, I don't want to go
to the nurse's They're going to make a whole thing
out of it like they did last time. And I
was like what And then she was like, it was
just me and a couple guys hanging out. We're just friends.
(23:05):
I'll just like convincing so like and I was like,
did you huh? I just didn't quite understand, and maybe
I was just in denial that they were also trying
to tackle the concept of essay on college camp. I'm
constantly you need a different movie for that, because that's
a whole there's not time to get into all. I agree,
(23:30):
And I didn't get it, like she was kind of
the villain character they were setting her up at, so
what yeah, that bit. I think from there I was
a little bit confused from there to the end about like, wait,
which thing are we focusing on?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Because also, to be honest, when you're thinking so heavily,
like now you have this lens on of like you
have your eyes you're looking out for like microaggressions and things,
and like you have this racism lens on.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So then when there's this like.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
White girl victim character you're like, wait, yeah, wait, I
expect if anything's gonna happen like I didn't, if uh,
if anything were to happen about like her victimhood, that
it would be like a commentary about how.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Like white women get way white tears. Yeah, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It was like maybe something actually bad happened and she
had to go so like I don't, I don't. Yeah,
I don't know what that was trying to say, but
it was very it was very confusing.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And also, yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't ready to to
sit with that. It's just you know, it's a little yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, you said, a run in the dead of night
through a frozen graveyard, you're obviously going to hear spooky singing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Oh my god, the pilgrims were doing like a funeral.
I'm sorry, I'm going to be disrespectful to the Amish.
I guess in this if that's what they were.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
When I looked it up, they just kept calling them
a religion. They didn't know what they were.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
There is a there's a community from a religion. There's
a religion. That'd be so me. If I was a
tour guide at this university, I'd be like, and of
course we are close to the community that is of
a religion, and we have some overlap with that community,
(25:29):
that religious community during their faith. And anyway, here's the quad.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
For some reason, I'm really enjoying that.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I know, I'm just sitting here, but I'm really like, okay,
oh thank you, okay, okay, okay, because you were just sitting.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
There and I know, but I was like really like, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh thanks, okay, thanks, thank you, thanks, thank you for
that note.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Just so you know, Yeah, I also was. I also
was I don't know, this line was so funny to me.
When she's finally talking to a black person.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Oh yeah, there's a line. I thought my lamp was
a gnome and so yeah, because the other person had
insomnia during finals, she was like, I started hallucinating and
you said, okay, well I'm being haunted by a racist witch.
So I was like, yeah, we are not the same.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
When I say I'm looking through that lens, I was like, oh,
were you haunted by the same thing. But then they're like, no, no,
we have to make it clear. Weren't haunted by the
same thing because I saw a gnome.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, I saw something sort of whimsical and garden vibes,
not a racist witch clawing my arm while I slept.
That was spooky and I loved it. That was exactly
the level of spook that I look.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I know, I've come to really appreciate a scary thing
that's just like so just a little.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Just a little slow and unsettling. Yeah, yeah, that was
I loved that scene so much. And like she gets
a hug, because a god, this girl needed a hug.
And then of course it gets interrupted by white people
coming into the bathroom, like her two white friends come in.
Oh my gosh, we really ruin everything. And then the
(27:27):
Rachel Dole is all of it all, it doesn't get surprised.
I mean, god, what a plot twist. I loved that
plot twist. That was crazy, But it also was like,
I mean, I guess that's the commentary is like this
did happen in real life to actual Rachel doleas all,
and like she's kind of fine. Ye, that's the point,
(27:49):
Like that woman will be fine. This also won't actually
really get affected by this system that she claims to
be oppressed by.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Right this one When I was reading about it a
little bit because I was just I didn't know what
to make of that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, it just it. Did I agree with you that
it kind of to me if there were if there were.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
A lot of arrows pointing to her being weird before,
I didn't really catch them.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Oh really not really? What did you notice? I thought,
I know, she was kind of creepy. Yeah, And then
I thought I thought she was catering a lot to
the white opinions in her classroom, again in sort of
a like brainwashed way, which again made me think a
little bit of And then I was like, am I
(28:37):
being problematic because I'm likening this to another horror film
by a black creator, by a black writer director, Or
is this just because the only horror films I've seen
are get Out? Nope, And so the only reference I.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Have I think get Out is a real I think
it's a real like modern touchstone about for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's also it's genuinely the first horror movie I ever saw,
so it's for me the blueprint for horror as well.
But I thought she was being very strange and like
cold toward Jasmine in a way that I was like,
I feel like something nefarious is going on. Sure, And
(29:21):
then I thought She was also a little bit spooky
toward toward Gail when they were hanging out and being friends.
It just felt like she was definitely hiding something. I
just thought it was going to have like more of
a she was in codes with the witch and they
were controlling the campus and they were terrorizing Jasmine together
on purpose. Okay, So when I read it, that wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, when I read about it, things I didn't I
guess I'm just dumb because I didn't see that at all.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And we know that maybe that's it. You know what, Hey,
did you maybe consider that you're dumb? If you are dumb,
possible that you are. Sometimes I just.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Don't see things in movies and in books.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm going to read we have always lived in the
Castle and be like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I don't know people anyway. So the rachel doles all
of it all. When I read a little bit about it, yeah,
they were like, oh, is it implying that she was
leading to the death of this student so that she
could get tenure because she was going to get it otherwise,
because that is when she got it. They were like, right,
you just got it because the black student died and
we need changed our image which is so dark and
(30:34):
also so real.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, I feel they make big decisions when something a
big tragedy happens.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Totally and like to take away from that or just
like anything to make themselves look as good as possible
for whatever they think good is in the public opinion
of the time in the moment.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, yeah, And I could see that.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
The other oh I'm sorry, please continue. Oh was I
gonna say? The other thing was oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
They also mentioned the point of like, well, she did
call into question this like accusation, you know, because she's like, actually,
I do have a black dad, and my woman who
raised me just like completely ignores it. And also it's
the actress is black, so you're kind of like, yeah, well,
(31:20):
which honestly was it was genius. I'm always interested when
they're like the even the movie is like now you're
questioning everything and like what.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Did it even mean to think that? Or like what
is it? You know, and that they brought up.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Was and this article was that it's like her experience
with the blackness is one that's really weird and specific,
like maybe she was raising this weird Amish community and
they ignored the fact that she was black and whatever,
but like this institution she's in or just the world
at large doesn't know how to deal with that story.
So she just like plays this very just like black
(31:55):
professor who's black in the ways you'd imagine, and she
puts on rap music and she talks this way, and
you know, she wears like a head scarf and whatever,
and like that is the version that whether she's a
Rachel Dolesal or whatever, she's still like playing this character
that people can can wrap their heads around, right where
(32:16):
like she actually has maybe a really weird experience of it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But even by the end, Gail.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Was like, I have no idea if you're black or not.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I don't know. I don't know which.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But it's so interesting because she's like it doesn't even
like the fact that it doesn't matter is crazy and
I need to leave, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was I think That's the thing
is like intentionally the writer and the director, she doesn't
give us closure on stuff we don't because she's like,
you don't deserve it. Yeah, this country doesn't deserve it.
And it's like it is all ongoing and it's impossible
(33:00):
to tie up with a little I guess it like
it would be doing a disservice to the message of
the movie to give it like a a so called
happy ending. But at the same time, yeah, I did
not like that Jasmine died. I did not. I really
thought she was gonna fight the wit and destroy it. Oh.
I hated that actually so much. That really sucked that
(33:24):
that was so messed up. I could not believe that
they did that. No, I couldn't either. Okay, content warning
you guys, we're gonna be speaking about suicide. Jasmine dies by.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Suicide, yeah, or by the witch she hangs her Rachel
dolozol or I guess the way.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
We don't know, Yeah, but I guess we don't know.
I assumed suicide. Yeah, me too. I mean that damn it.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, it's really fucking sad, and I mean they deal
with that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Part.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I don't know if this is a choice or not.
But it happened so matter of factly, it was devastating.
Like she's very devastated obviously when it happens. But it's
like that is the We've been with this character the
whole time. And then she walks in and she's like,
I know what I need to do.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, and I thought it was set up a battleground. Yeah,
me too, from which to fight the witch. I did
not excited for her to fight a witch. Yeah. The
fact that she dies is very, very devastating. It just
feels like something one, oh totally, And I don't think
it's like I do think it all like serves the
(34:31):
point the message of the movie. And it's like, from
a story perspective, it's not what I want, but from
a reality perspective, it's yeah, damn even if it like
and especially actually if it wasn't dying by suicide. It's
like the rates at which young black people die in
America are so high and it really is like they're
(34:54):
here one minute and they're gone the next, and it's
like unfair. Unjust does it make sense? Uh so tragic,
feels like it should be preventable, like all these things,
and that her death I think was right. And I'm
just thinking. One thing that's so scary is like almost.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No one knew, yeah, any reason why she died, Like
only Gail is the one who knows even a little.
She's like having this like horror witch experience, Like nobody
knows that this like witch is haunting her mm hmm,
you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So scary. Yeah, that was awful. I was really awful.
I was really surprised. I was.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
It makes sense from like a storyline point, but I
think it's one of those things where once it's on screen,
it's like.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No, whoa, that was our girl, that was our friend. Yah.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And then you said, okay, you didn't highlight this, you
didn't highlight this, but you said witch getting down.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Do you remember that scene where the were getting down
in the hallway. Yeah, she's got like a mop or something. Yeah,
get was getting down? Yeah that yes, What did it
mean when the witch, who maybe symbolizes white supremacy was
getting down?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Oh? If you'll excuse me, I'm really trying to get
tenure at this university and my my my mother, who
is of a certain religion, keeps calling and and trying
to reveal my whole life.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'll bear it back.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Leona shall move on to our next segment, which is
Badges and Trages.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Are you ready? Yes, this is where we award badges
for bloody thumbs. She has a remember when she goes
to some is just bleeding.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, and you're like, and it's true, it was sure,
or thumbs for bleeding and tragedy for tricky witches aka
microaggressions and racism.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, all right. I my first badge is a badge
for it so far. I'm loving how spooky this is.
That was right at the beginning. I mean, my goodness,
the shots of the university, the spooky weather, yeah, the buildings,
everybody who was around. Yeah, very spooky, and I liked that.
(37:37):
I liked it spooky seasons.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I have a badge for I just love a college library.
For some reason, it is one of the most liminal
spaces and it makes me feel so safe. I think
I feel safe when I'm outside of time the concept
of time generally, and that was like the only the
only place that felt far away from it all. Yeah,
(37:59):
you're just so alone.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yes, anyway, I have a britage for I keep gasping
at the casual racism. Yeah, especially like when she comes
into her room and the guy is like, who are
you and she's like, guess, and then they just guess
black women.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It was so weird. It was Beyonce. She's like, ha
ha what And it's a britage because the badge part
is the way that they communicated again the black experience
at a PWI and those everyday microaggressions. And I will
inform you of the trage part when we get to trages.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Great. Yeah, I also have a badge for just like
it just was good, Like they did a very good
job at I think microaggressions also are something that are
kind of hard to do because again they're they're micro
and they are just so day to day that sometimes
in movies they try to make things really big and pronounced.
But I think they did a very good job of
(39:06):
just like those little moments and they felt really real,
especially as college people aren't they're not educated yet, they
don't know, they're not very aware of what they're doing,
like the things her friends would say and the little
jokes that guys would make and stuff. They didn't feel
necessarily intensely violent, but it was like the lonely the
(39:26):
isolation was like so pronounced by all the little things.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I agree that they did a good job on that. Yeah,
a badge for it. This is kind of similar to
almost exactly what I just said. It's capturing the PWI
experience in a very haunting way. I think that specifically,
like it captured the experience really well, and also it
made it the scariest. It somehow lingered for long enough
(39:52):
on each interaction or each unsettling kind of each moment
that made her feel unsafe or unwelcome in such a
way that it made it was a horror film.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, it wasn't like just a commentary on the lay.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
It was.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Styled into the genre very effectively. Badge for America is
a witch? I love that also, just generally does she
say that as a line?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
She says, She says it's when she's like, oh, I
can't get away from it.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I can't get away from it. When they're in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
She doesn't say America is a witch, but she says
it's everywhere it's America.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And I was like, she's addressing the witch. She's talking
about the witch right now, She's saying that the witch
is America.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Hm. But what I mean by this also is just like,
I really do think horror is such an effective way
to think about racism in America, specifically because it really
does like we're literally haunted by slavery and what came
after and institutional Yeah, it's just like if you don't
(41:03):
look it in the eyes, if you don't try to
take it down directly, it will haunt you everywhere.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
It is in everything.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Anyway, yeah, yeah, badge for I'm obsessed with the lighting
in this. I thought the lighting was really good and
it was so intentional, seeing where she's going back to
her dorm and then the hallway is completely in red
lay yeah, totally. Or when she's in the shower and
then the lighting is completely red scary. Yeah, who was
(41:32):
in the back there? I thought it was a man
of the shower. It was the Baba duck. Of course.
She turns around and it's just like a hoodie and goggles. Right.
I don't know why goggles in the dorm room shower.
It's not the pool. I wrote down a badge. I
love Regina Hall. I decay, I just do okay, Yeah yeah, yeah,
(41:54):
I thought she was really good in this. Yeah she
was badge overall. This movie is so good and real
question I also real.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I wrote down I think this is good and I
wrote that I wrote that early and I did. I
really enjoyed it. I think I did a really good
job at what it was doing. I really do badge
for it. This movie is very well cast. I thought
the casting was very good. Yeah, I agree, each of
the main characters and then all of the background white people, Yeah,
with their stupid little white person lines. I was like, yeah,
(42:27):
they really got white people for this. They got like
white academics specifically. Yeah. My last badge is Okay, she's
sillaying this monologue, Regina Hall's monologue at the celebration that
her friend got tenure, where she goes off on her
friend and then also on all of her colleagues for
how they're like handling this and processing her feelings around
(42:50):
how Jasmine died and how that will haunt her forever
and that everything she did just meant nothing. I was like, oh,
oh my god, she acted that very well. Love trages,
Traje is. My first trage is this is her hair now.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
When she starts hanging out with the white girls and
she feels like she starts to doubt herself and everything. Yeah,
she does, she straightens her hair, makes her look about
twenty years older, and.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Her hair was so cute before I know her her curls.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But I was just like, no, no, oh, and she
doesn't end up she does change it back for a time,
but yeah, I know, it was depressing.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, a trage for Amazon Studios. Boo yeah, movie was
made by Amazon. Student fuck Amazon man, God damn it,
goddamn it, god damn it. Uh trage for it. Well,
I'm gonna say it racism, Yeah, and thank you for
saying it. It just is with these movies.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
It's like I'm excited to watch it and excited to
sit and really think about it. I think horror movies
are a good like intellectual space to sort of like
sit with this stuff. But yeah, I mean it sucks.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yep. Yeah. The trag portion of my bertage for I
keep gasping at the casual racism is a trage for
the fact that I kept gasping at it. Yeah, I
kept finding it shocking. And then I was like, Leona,
this is literally every day, multiple times a day, for
black people, especially black women in America, which again I
(44:34):
thought it did a very good job of communicating trage.
For her roommate, she was just so annoying and mean. Yes,
it was just a mean person. My next trage is
these people are unrealistically mean. I thought they captured well
the microaggressions of the friend group. I didn't completely believe
it was like classic high school bully in a movie energy.
(44:56):
The way they were being that mean to her, I
was like, okay, that's a little bit hyperbolized. When she
when she goes to.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
When she's like, did you not hear me say your name?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
She's like no, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
She's like, oh, I'm not doing this with you.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's like, girl, I think having a night. She told the.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Story already about how she sleepwalks, so yeah, have to
deal with that. She is your roommate and she's clearly
having a horrible night.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Terror What that was crazy?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, oh trash for we already said this a little bit.
But someone's sitting on your bed when you come back
over and everybody just stares at you, and you're like,
this is supposed to be my safe space.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Where am I supposed to go? It's college. There's nowhere
for me to go. Trag. I might have said badge,
traj trag for god damn it. And that's at the
scene where they were maybe doing a commentary on sexual
assault on college campuses. God, but it wasn't clear the
(45:55):
goddamn it was just my knee jerk, like I don't
please know, I agree, please know? That could have been
lifted right out. You know what. No, I think so too. Yeah,
I don't know why they did that. I don't know either.
It almost there was a way to send the room
made away where it's like she just goes and stays
with a different friend. Like how that happened. I've had
(46:16):
I know people who did that during college. It's like
they left that room, but they didn't leave the university. Yeah,
which I would get because it's like you kissed my boyfriend.
I don't like that, right, I don't know what that was. Yeah. Oh,
and I guess this is my last trage, and I'm
sorry it's she died. That's my second to last trage.
That's just a frowny face with about twenty rownds. That
(46:37):
was very upsetting. It was very very upsetting. I think
I really didn't like that that happened.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
In the movie.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Me too, Me too. I wish it had at an OpenD. Yeah,
I'm sorry, but I wish it had happened.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
My final trage is I thought Jasmine was gonna fight
the Witch. I want to see it the Witch fight.
I wanted Jasmine to have a win. She was so
sad the whole time, and everything really sucked, and I
want wanted her to have a moment of just like goodness.
And then also I wanted to know what that which
looked like, Yeah, I wanted Is that too much to ask?
(47:13):
Come on, those are all my tragies.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, Leona, let's move on to our next segment, which is,
of course, how to pretend you've seen this film.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
This is for you.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Are at the library, ooh, just trying to have a
nice time, looking at some books, thinking about things, feeling
safe in a liminal space, and Tyler Tyler comes up
slams down a book next to you.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Tyler slams down the book White Fragility next to you
and says, Wow, this really made me think. And this
is the last book I'm going to read on the
topic of race in America. And that really reminds me
of a movie I saw about this girl and her boyfriend,
and her boyfriend who has a slight moment of unfaithful,
(48:01):
but then it goes back to her in the woods,
and I also I think some other stuff happens in it,
but really mainly it's about this guy who goes to
a party and sings all of the lyrics in one
of his favorite songs and I'm gonna sing that song
for you now, no no, no no, or just stop
Tyler from doing woo try at you.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Here are a few things that you can say to
pretend you've seen the film Master.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Two mm hmm. Tyler jump scares me in the library
by being a white man in a flannel and I
turned to him and have the same reaction to him
that I had to the guy who was painting Gail's
portrait in that one scene early on, I say, who
the fuck is this? Who was that guy? Who's that guy?
(48:56):
And how did he paint that whole thing so fast?
That was really wise? He was like, all right, see
you next week, and then it was done in the attic,
and then with don't put it in the attic. I
don't know, don't put it there.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yes, frickin' Tyler, I have seen the movie Master as
we as we presumed, and was very clear in the watching.
Professor Live Beckman is slightly inspired by the cases of
professors Rachel Dolizol and Jessica Krug, who pretended to be
African American but turned out.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
To be white women. Literally, why why are we doing this?
Why do people do this? Crazy?
Speaker 6 (49:33):
Like, stop doing that. That is so weird, That is
so weird to do. Just be just be your boring race.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Try to find other things about yourself besides a cultural
identity that you need to steal from somebody else.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
That is so weird. That's my two cents.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
So I hope nobody listening to this podcast is being
a Rachel doleizol.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah. Rachel doleas All was like, hi, a longtime listener,
Like what, yes, Tyler, I've seen master I and I
he walks away, and I turned to my friend across
(50:20):
the table from me, because thank god, I have a friend.
Oh my, the one thing Jasmine needed, I have a friend.
I turned to my friend and I say about Tyler
the same thing I said about the white woman who
was who had blonde, curly hair and talked about her
back not I say, I thought that was Matthew McConaughey.
(50:43):
I genuinely thought she was Matthew McConaughey before she started
talking from a from out of the corner of your eye,
she does look like Matthew McConaughey. She's got like a
an artificially tanned face. Yeah, and Sandy kerr Hare it's
it's Matthew McConaughey in Sahara. Okay specifically all.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Right, yes, Tyler, I have seen the film Master. All
of the maintenance, groundskeeper, pest control, et cetera. Workers shown
on campus are performed by people of color for the
showing the significant racial divide, even in the every day
and always in the background. And by the way, by
the way, IMDb lists that as a spoiler. Hmm, I
(51:32):
think that was accidentally placed there in the trivial section
you have to hope spoiler.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
What Yeah, that was I thought that was really effective
as well.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
She is literally like the only black person almost in
every space.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, pretty much. The scene where she is talking to
Gail in Gail's office about wanting to file a grade dispute,
and Gail gets up and closes the door because in
the hallway is a black man sweeping or vacuuming. Totally
whoam Oh god, Tyler. I wish this guy, Tyler would
(52:14):
stop talking to me. Of course, I've seen the film Master.
I'll just I guess I'll just say something insane to
him to get him to go away. Yeah. Freshman year,
I had insomnia and I thought my lamp was a Gnome.
That was weird. Okay, that's not really what I'm going through.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yes, Tyler, I have seen the film Master. Fun fact,
this was filmed at Vaster College.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
I was trying to figure out what campus that was, Rienna.
Let's spook on into our segment should you watch this
or where we tell you, beloved listeners, if we think
you should watch this movie or if you should do
something else with your spooky season. Honestly, I'm gonna say, yeah, yeah,
you should watch Master.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I thought it was Good's stuff that's open ended about it,
but it's really good, so spooky, it really scratches the
spooky itch in addition to having a lot of commentary,
and it's so tragically relevant. It's like become relevant in
the last like four weeks, so specifically because and I
(53:26):
imagine most people are aware of this, but there's been
new stories in America where black students have been found
hanged on college campuses. There have been like lynchings happening.
Jesus fucking Christ. It's there's just not there's not an
(53:46):
adjective for it. But yeah, I feel like that again,
like the scariness of this and the realness of this
was really Uh, it just was so immediate. Yeah, so yeah,
give it, give it a watch.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Making it a horror movie about specifically like this was
basically just saying like the racism at elite institute like
college collegiate institutions is actually really bad and really pleasant.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, I would say definitely you could watch this movie.
I agree, I think because it's like an Amazon film.
I just I hadn't heard of it and so seeing Yeah,
just sometimes those those movies, like streaming movies, they don't
get as much like whatever attention clout.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
But I was really pleasantly surprised it was.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
It was really good, yeah, and really scary. One thing
that you could also do instead if you wanted. I've
been listening to this podcast that I love so much
that I think you also like.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
Is it called Toss Popcorn. It's called Toss Popcorn.
Speaker 7 (54:57):
I would recommend instead of listening watching this movie to
listen to Toss pop forn. No, there's this podcast I
think you would like to called Our Ancestors, We're Messy.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Have you heard of this? No? I it was like
on it was like advertised on a show anyway.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
I like heard her do a guest episode and it's
just like the host is such a good storyteller, and
it's like pretty nerdy, but it's about, uh, just stories
of like black people from the past that are she
reads like old newspapers and like a lot of old
black newspapers. So it's just about like these little kind
(55:38):
of like micro celebrities through history or these little stories.
And I have learned so much about black history that
I did not know. And I think it's specifically because
in school you learn about slavery and then you learn
about like major intellectual figures, but like the like cull
(56:00):
trual history of anything is just like you don't there's
just you just don't learn about.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
I've learned about all sorts of different like predominantly black
cities that I didn't know about, and like, uh a
lot about predominantly black colleges and things, and I don't know,
I've just learned a lot of stuff. And on top
of that, they're just like really funny stories about about people,
about people like having their silly love stories and stuff,
not just like the major celebrities that you usually hear
(56:30):
about that I was listening to it earlier and I
was like, this is so good and she was talking
about colleges actually, and so anyway, it's like a very
it's a very positive and fun listen if you want to,
if you want to listen to something, I just really
recommend that podcast.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
That's so good.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yes, And it's like, I don't know, it's you can
tell it's a nerd making it like us because there's
just a lot of like music and sound production to
it that she doesn't need to do, but it just
makes it really fun.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
So go ahead and listen. Okay, cute, cute and fun.
Cute and fun. Leanna, what would you rate the movie?
Do you think I would give Master four? Icy runs
through spooky graveyards filled with pilgrims out of fu Yeah,
(57:20):
they were everywhere. That was really good. I really liked
the spookiness. It was exactly the kind of spooky I
look for in a spooky film. And there was so
much extremely prescient social commentary about this fucking country. And
I also thought there were some loose ends that weren't
(57:44):
just loose ends for the sake of being like, I'm
not tying this up on purpose. It was like, wait,
what happened with that thing? What would you rate the film.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
I too would give it four witches, getting down out
of five she was getting.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
I completely agree.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
I thought it was great and yeah yeah, I mean
I was confused sometimes, but that's fine.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
I think I will watch it again. Yeah, I will say, now,
hang up? Now what? And I wonder if I want
to be in like some forums. I want a discussion
too about that too, But I don't want just anybody
in there. I don't want like most of the internet
in that forum.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Okay, that's been our review that's been Tossed Popcorn's review
of Master. Thank you everybody so much for listening. We
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I didn't see it. Let me see.
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
And I'm Leanna Holsten, and welcome to Tosscorn, the podcast
where two idiots watched every film on the AFI's one
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
And guess what In addition to all that. Right now, it's.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Spooky season, so we're watching spooky movies.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
This podcast is a safe university for people who don't
know anything about movies. Today we're watching Master Hawthorne went Ham.
I think we can all agree. Warning there will be
spoilers about this very recent, very relevant, yes film content.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Warning.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
We will be talking about anti black racism, hate crimes,
hate crimes, self harms, self harmly salt question mark girl,
I don't know what happened with that I don't know
what that was. I'm sorry. What was going on there?
Sometimes symbolism having to do with the KKK, so a
(01:53):
lot of yeah, a lot of stuff to be aware of. Okay,
it was spooky. It's gonna be a time hey, yeah, yeah, okay,
one of my predictions. I'm embarrassed by my prediction. Okay, fantastic.
Let's start with that. I know, okay, ready, uh huh.
(02:18):
But she's comfortable. I'm comfortable, but I'm embarrassed. That's me
at a massage. That's so me at a massage, comfortable
and embarrassed. I really see that, I really see that. Hi, Sienna,
it's Leanna. I'm about to watch Master. I accidentally read
(02:41):
a little blurb about this while looking up where to
watch it. So I predict there'll be spooky sort of
hopefully like academia psychological vibes. Yeah, and I hope there's
not racism, but it's insane to hope that it's not
Embarrasing's likely that there's gonna be racism. Yeah, I love you, Bob.
(03:06):
That's not that embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I think you actually did it. I thought it was
going to be like, oh, I read a little blurb
and I think it's gonna be like I don't know,
like spooky books, like books are alive.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, but this movie was so specifically about racism, and
I was like, I hope there's not racism in it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think you did predict that. You were just trying
to you were just you were just hoping.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I was being a white American already, Sienna, I'd love
to hear your prediction. Please high Leanna. It's Sienna. I'm
about to watch Master sounds racist. It's a spooky movie.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm so maybe it'll be dealing with such concepts in
a scary way, which scares me. But maybe we'll be cathartic.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Hmmmm hmm. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh that we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I hope I don't get too scared. I love you, goodbye?
Mmm this yes, Oh, there's so much I want to
talk about but we can't get. But we can't yet,
we can't yet. First let's take girl, Hey girl, Oh
my god, you first this week? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well, I just washed my hair, as I told you,
which made us st late. But I've been it's like
gotten to the point this week where every time I
go out I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
God, I need to wash my hair so bad.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The last couple of days it's just been, it's just been,
it's been hell on my head.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So I'm happy about that, I understand. But today I
dry shampooed so hard before work that I was sure
all day that I was flammable. If I get your flame,
it's over for me. Just go straight up. Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I think we talked about one time that one of
my hairstylists once told me that curly hair though, because
it's oh she's yelling.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Sorry, I won't take it personally, and I know how comfortable
you are.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I'm just really comfortable. But no, I'm embarrassed again what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I know you're not actually on it because I'm boring,
but what I'm saying is boring. But apparently curly hair,
it curls such that a hairstylist told me, she was like,
you're just gonna like some weeks you might think your
hair looks really bad, and it's just because like your
hair is curling in a way that like you don't like,
and it'll okay, the coil will curl back. Yeah, so
(05:41):
you kind of have to wait. So basically, she was.
She was telling me, like, there are some really bad
hair weeks and other good hair weeks last week when
I was visiting my family and we like took some photos.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Bad hair week for me. Oh, for God's sake, so tough.
God damn it, God damn it. But thiss so hard.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So anyway, I guess my whole update
is just sort of about my hair.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's washed. Yeah, Hey girl, how you doing? Hey girl, Well,
I'm leaving town. I'm on an airplane in twelve and
a half hour, are you guys? And I feel chill
about that. Going to Maine? Oh my god, I know
for how I'm going to Main to turn off my brain, going.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
For a week just by yourself or as some of
your family.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
My parents, my parents will be there. And the leaves,
the autumn leaves. I'm going leaf peeping, which makes me
feel like a pervert when I say that. Yeah, why
is that a thing? I don't think anybody should say.
Keep I've never heard of that until this year, is like,
or until this year. It's East Coast, which I know
(06:48):
you kind of don't acknowledge. Well, I just heard about it.
I heard about it for the first time.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And now I've heard it so many times, the constant peeping.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
But it's just like what they call it on the
East Coast when you go to look at the leaves.
I think, so, I think, so wow.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Sure, well I really believe in taking a trip in
the fall.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So I'm really happy you're going to Maine. Thank you.
I'm very pleased. As of right now, well, I guess
after this recording, I will be on holidays. My goal
is to have no thoughts for a week.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
That's great, and all we have to do first is
talk about the concept of racism in the horror and
how institutionally, how it's ingrained in our sience.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah. And then after that, no thoughts, no thoughts, no
more thought Yeah. I yeah. This movie tackled a lot,
a lot. Some would say too much. I don't know.
But Sienna, before we get into our thoughts on it,
could you please give us a synopsis of the film Master, Yes,
(07:58):
Master twenty two.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Jasmine is black at an elite, predominantly white college. She
is assigned to a notoriously haunted room, and she begins
experiencing haunting horrors. Are they supernatural or are they just
stone cold? Actual racism?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Following her around.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Kind of the real main character of this or like
the real focus is on Gail, a house master is
what they're called at the university, who observes the white
supremacist past of the home that she's been assigned, and
she tries to help Jasmine.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But it's everywhere, and there's also sort of.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Amish an Amish element.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
There's an Amish fine.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's importantly it seems this town is like near a
place where a religious community is because community. Part of
the scariness is that you're like, oh, this the haunted room.
There was like a woman from the Witch Trials who yes,
maybe died by suicide. Who was killed?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I don't remember, but I think she got burned. Okay, yeah,
I guess that would make sense. Be sure she got burned,
so she was killed, got burned?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Uh, but she you know, there's a lot of like
seeing things like the movie is.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I read a little bit about it just to confirm.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, there's a lot of like seeing stuff, and it's
unclear if it's her imagination, her sleepwalking scary dreams, or
if it's like, you know, an actual the witch as
they call it, the witch could ghost her.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah. Yeah, there's so much going on. There is a
lot going on. There's a lot going on. Oh my god.
I tried to get a linen nepkin, but all I
got was a drawer full of maggot. I need to
call someone about this. Give me a few minutes. We'll
be right back. Let's get into our phone notes, the
(10:13):
section of the podcast, of course where we look at
the notes of course that the other person, of course
took on their phone while watching the movie. But before that,
just like up top, I want to say I enjoyed
this movie a lot. I really liked so much of it.
I loved the spooky elements. It was so spooky, spooktinta,
and the commentary was giving about being a student of
color at a PWI primarily white institution. I also think
(10:37):
it took on a few too many things in one go.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Why because there was a Rachel Dolezal who was Amish,
and you went, hold on, eh.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I did not even know we were talking about her story.
And then that didn't really get tied up. There were
a lot of loose ends, and there was a part
of it where I was like, are you trying to
tackle the issue of essay on college camp? In addition,
or is did they like kill them? Why did that
girl leave? What was going on? So there were a
(11:08):
few that was my biggest question questions by the end
that I thought, Hey, we could have done without these
actual these additional things and just this main thing. Yeah,
I think that's a good fine. I think it's a
good critique.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And also I feel the same where Yeah, I mean,
like honestly, horror movies about racism.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Are just so.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's such a powerful lens to look through racism because
it really is something that haunts our country literally, yeah,
and it's so hard to grasp. I really liked what
she said about this one where she's like, you can't
catch it, but it's like.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Always there, and you can't like pin it down to
show it to other people, to prove it or to
kill it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It's just like there, and some people see it and
some people don't, And.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I was very excited when I started it, and I
also agree that I really I thought, I all around
just enjoyed it a lot. But I do agree when
I left with questions like what I did leave with
why did her white roommate leave?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Why? Why? What happened to the Witch. Where did the
witch go? The witch was a big part of it,
and then she wasn't addressed at the end. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
When I was reading up on it, there was a
pitch that maybe the witch was Rachel Dolazol, and I said, sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I thought that as well. But I thought that I
also thought maybe the witch was a metaphor for slavery. Yeah,
also started in the sixteen hundreds, but that kind of
felt like a reach. Okay, that's good. I need a
book club about this, so thank god we've got this podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Leana, you said, how do people always have a manageable
amount of luggage.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
From when they were at this I in any film? Yeah,
when people are traveling, they have one suitcase, one carry on,
and a little backpack, and none of the bags are
completely filled to the brim. When I travel, I have
overstuffed plane sized suitcase that I've sat on and shoved
down so it still fits in the overhead compartment because
(13:15):
I'm not paying an extra to check a bag. I
have a carry on that's the size of my torso
at from all sides. It's the size and circumference of
my torso filled so that it feels as if I've
put only bricks in it. Yeah, and then somehow like
several loose coats that I'm carrying with me through the
(13:36):
airport packing ian and I'm sweating, and I never can
carry things in a manageable sort of petite way. Yeah,
I can't do anything in a petite way. How do
they always do things so petitely?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And whenever I bring a lot of clothes, I always
I'm always grateful for all of them that I brought.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
That's nice. That's comforting to hear, because I'll be packing
right after this and I'm gonna bring too many clothes.
You should, you know what you should. Also, it's cold,
it's gonna be big clothes, big clothes. I gotta bring
my big clothes. What are you supposed to do. I'm
supposed to pack my big clothes. I'm gonna have to
wear some of the big clothes on the plane.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Okay, Leonna, you've said I'm tyler. Of course you are.
They did job by making these people terrifying.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You said, this is already properly horrific. But it's just
hanging out with mean girls that that age. Yeah, I
thought you wrote mean girls that ageing scarier than a
woman who ages. Yeah, it was so it took me
back in many ways. It took me back to having
attended a p w I but as a w and
(14:51):
gone to like frat parties with this exact tyler. I
was a W.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes, and it was just so they were very accurately
kind of terrifying college rich kids.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I'd say, hm for sure, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
When they came in and everybody was sitting on her
bed and like that is exactly the kind of.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
When they were all sitting on her bed and they
got quiet and they stayed quiet. When she went in,
Eliza and I both were cringing so hard because it
was so real. I think that was such a big
part of the horror experience is like it captures so
much of like the social anxieties of being a freshman
in college, and then layers on top of that also
(15:37):
being a black person at a PWI totally so, which
is like obviously not an experience that we had, but
it telescopes it so effectively. Yeah, that you're just like
shuddering the whole time.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, Leanna, you've said, okay, let's go, let's talk about horror.
You've said horror is weird because I can't tell if
the dialogue is meant to be unsettling or or if
it's just bad. Do you remember what that was in reference.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
To Yes, many of the scenes. It was particularly I
think the scene at the library where she's checking her
books out. That was the library. That was exactly what
I thought of when you said, really, yeah, where they're
doing very expositional dialogue about Margaret, that girl and then
also that girl who died, so Margaret is the ghost,
(16:30):
and then there's a girl who died in her room
in the fifth Rice, Yeah, who was the first black
student at the university. And basically that's the dialogue that
they have. And I was like, I can't tell if
this was written intentionally stiltedly to make me feel unsettled yeah,
or if it was just maybe a little bit bad.
(16:51):
But that's I think maybe part of horror is like
they do that kind of expositional speak where it's like,
come on, Mary, your mom died over a year ago,
aren't you over that by now? And you're like, what
the hell? Nobody I know whatever say this. But that's
kind of the thing, is like, oh, they're not being normal.
Things are weird. They're not normal. They are scary. Yeah,
(17:11):
you know, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, there was a moment in this one where that
old lady. I don't usually I also never understand anything
in movies, and I think I just in horror movies.
I'm like, Okay, it's exactly like you said. I'm like,
I guess this is just because it's scary even though
we don't understand. So she like goes in way later
finds that old lady at the hospital who's like, Who's like, yeh.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, I thought maybe that was like the Witch Margaret.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
First it seems like the witch, but then it's just
this old woman. But then it's like, well's racist lady.
We thought she saw the witch and the witches within
many people, even this old lady, and which is shews
racist things at her. But then she starts yelling over
and over this.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Is my house. Yeah, this is my yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And I know that's just like a simple phrase, but
they said it so many times and I just like
I really was like, oh my god, that is that's
that's what white supremacy is.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's just like get out of my you. I need
you here and mine. I want your help.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Because but this is mine this is mine. It's always mine,
It's gonna be mine. This college is mine, this country.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Is my power, this house is mine, in my control.
You think you have power, now get like this is
mine and you need to know it's mine. I just
was like by that.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Point of the movie, it was so effective for me.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah anyway, Oh yeah, Sienna, you noted, Oh god, this
was so it was so well done. You noted, No,
they're gonna say the N word? No, no, Okay. So
she goes to a frat party and then there's a
hip hop song playing and you know, like before it
(18:56):
happened that this room full of white kids is gonna
sing the N word. She's the song. She's the only
black person there.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And it's like the scene of everybody like closing in
and like staring at her, because yeah, there's also the
thing of like this like voyeurism of everybody like watching her.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Also, yeah, totally, and you told you we've seen this happen.
Like this would happen when I was in school, like
high school or at college, Like if there was like
a black person on the dance floor, people would like
form a circle around them and be like, oh, they're
probably an amazing dances, like people just fully profile them.
It's weird. It's very spooky. It's spooky. Yeah, yeah, that
(19:40):
was a so like it feels kind of ft watching
this and being like, so spooky, what do you mean
this as a white person being like, yeah, it was
really spooky when that happened. It's like, this is fully
people's experience. I know, I know, but yeah, it was
(20:01):
just like I have a note later in my notes
that was just like it, it must be so hard
to have fun when there is racial oppression happening totally,
like just seeing her, she's going to the party, She's like,
I'm with my friends, I'm gonna go have fun. The
guy at the front door blocks her from going in
and is like we're at capacity, which is fully like
(20:23):
he's just doing that because she's black and she's not
with her white friends. And then her white friend comes
back out and is like she's with us, Like what
the fuck? And she goes in and she's like, okay,
I'll shake that off and I'll just like have fun,
I'll dance. I'm just here to dance and have fun.
And then that song comes on and all these white
kids starts singing the end word, and it's like, fuck me,
it's just after it's one thing right after another, and
(20:45):
it's so common and it's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
As when she starts, Yeah, when she starts dancing, everybody
like looks at her because they're like, yeah, that's different.
And that's when the guy like falls in love with her.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh my god, I hated that. He's fucking Tyler man.
I know, God damn it, Tyler. I.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's such a good point. I do like
that's That's one thing I did think was really they
I appreciate about this movie.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
They did like a the like.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Kind of zooming in on some of these little moments.
I mean, I guess literally microaggressions is what you could
call them. Yeah, but zooming in on them in college,
and this is something that like, yeah I remember from college,
h totally zooming in on them and making them all
like horror sequences was yeah, I don't know, it just
like gave them the weight of the of the weirdness
(21:37):
that they deserve. You know, she's like already so lonely
and vulnerable. You can feel it, so it's so palpable.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And then as soon as.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's like you've offended your roommate. I was just so
scared about what was going to happen. And actually some
of her friends ended up still being her friends, so
it didn't seem to matter because yeah, that girl left
the school.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I don't know that bit was a it was a mess.
It's not clearly communicated. I but yeah, I didn't like
that bit at all. Okay, let's just talk about it.
So Regina Hall is going on a spooky walk, a
spooky run through a graveyard in the night, as you
do in icy weather, as again one must, and she
(22:19):
happens upon this did make me laugh where the jump
scare was just a white guy in a flannel and
I thought that was it. Thought it was hilarious. But
it's just a white man that is, so that is
the scariest thing. But then her roommate is like with
him at a tree and she's on the ground and
her knee is cut and she's crying, and then you're like,
(22:41):
oh god, is that are they doing that with this? Yeah,
because then she's like, are okay, did anything happen? And
she's like, oh am I going to get in trouble?
I don't, and she's like, we need to go to
the nurse and she's like, I don't want to go
to the nurse's They're going to make a whole thing
out of it like they did last time. And I
was like what And then she was like, it was
just me and a couple guys hanging out. We're just friends.
(23:05):
I'll just like convincing so like and I was like,
did you huh? I just didn't quite understand, and maybe
I was just in denial that they were also trying
to tackle the concept of essay on college camp. I'm
constantly you need a different movie for that, because that's
a whole there's not time to get into all. I agree,
(23:30):
And I didn't get it, like she was kind of
the villain character they were setting her up at, so
what yeah, that bit. I think from there I was
a little bit confused from there to the end about like, wait,
which thing are we focusing on?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Because also, to be honest, when you're thinking so heavily,
like now you have this lens on of like you
have your eyes you're looking out for like microaggressions and things,
and like you have this racism lens on.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So then when there's this like.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
White girl victim character you're like, wait, yeah, wait, I
expect if anything's gonna happen like I didn't, if uh,
if anything were to happen about like her victimhood, that
it would be like a commentary about how.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Like white women get way white tears. Yeah, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It was like maybe something actually bad happened and she
had to go so like I don't, I don't. Yeah,
I don't know what that was trying to say, but
it was very it was very confusing.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And also, yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't ready to to
sit with that. It's just you know, it's a little yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, you said, a run in the dead of night
through a frozen graveyard, you're obviously going to hear spooky singing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Oh my god, the pilgrims were doing like a funeral.
I'm sorry, I'm going to be disrespectful to the Amish.
I guess in this if that's what they were.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
When I looked it up, they just kept calling them
a religion. They didn't know what they were.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
There is a there's a community from a religion. There's
a religion. That'd be so me. If I was a
tour guide at this university, I'd be like, and of
course we are close to the community that is of
a religion, and we have some overlap with that community,
(25:29):
that religious community during their faith. And anyway, here's the quad.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
For some reason, I'm really enjoying that.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I know, I'm just sitting here, but I'm really like, okay,
oh thank you, okay, okay, okay, because you were just sitting.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
There and I know, but I was like really like, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh thanks, okay, thanks, thank you, thanks, thank you for
that note.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Just so you know, Yeah, I also was. I also
was I don't know, this line was so funny to me.
When she's finally talking to a black person.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Oh yeah, there's a line. I thought my lamp was
a gnome and so yeah, because the other person had
insomnia during finals, she was like, I started hallucinating and
you said, okay, well I'm being haunted by a racist witch.
So I was like, yeah, we are not the same.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
When I say I'm looking through that lens, I was like, oh,
were you haunted by the same thing. But then they're like, no, no,
we have to make it clear. Weren't haunted by the
same thing because I saw a gnome.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, I saw something sort of whimsical and garden vibes,
not a racist witch clawing my arm while I slept.
That was spooky and I loved it. That was exactly
the level of spook that I look.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I know, I've come to really appreciate a scary thing
that's just like so just a little.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Just a little slow and unsettling. Yeah, yeah, that was
I loved that scene so much. And like she gets
a hug, because a god, this girl needed a hug.
And then of course it gets interrupted by white people
coming into the bathroom, like her two white friends come in.
Oh my gosh, we really ruin everything. And then the
(27:27):
Rachel Dole is all of it all, it doesn't get surprised.
I mean, god, what a plot twist. I loved that
plot twist. That was crazy, But it also was like,
I mean, I guess that's the commentary is like this
did happen in real life to actual Rachel doleas all,
and like she's kind of fine. Ye, that's the point,
(27:49):
Like that woman will be fine. This also won't actually
really get affected by this system that she claims to
be oppressed by.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Right this one When I was reading about it a
little bit because I was just I didn't know what
to make of that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, it just it. Did I agree with you that
it kind of to me if there were if there were.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
A lot of arrows pointing to her being weird before,
I didn't really catch them.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Oh really not really? What did you notice? I thought,
I know, she was kind of creepy. Yeah, And then
I thought I thought she was catering a lot to
the white opinions in her classroom, again in sort of
a like brainwashed way, which again made me think a
little bit of And then I was like, am I
(28:37):
being problematic because I'm likening this to another horror film
by a black creator, by a black writer director, Or
is this just because the only horror films I've seen
are get Out? Nope, And so the only reference I.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Have I think get Out is a real I think
it's a real like modern touchstone about for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's also it's genuinely the first horror movie I ever saw,
so it's for me the blueprint for horror as well.
But I thought she was being very strange and like
cold toward Jasmine in a way that I was like,
I feel like something nefarious is going on. Sure, And
(29:21):
then I thought She was also a little bit spooky
toward toward Gail when they were hanging out and being friends.
It just felt like she was definitely hiding something. I
just thought it was going to have like more of
a she was in codes with the witch and they
were controlling the campus and they were terrorizing Jasmine together
on purpose. Okay, So when I read it, that wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, when I read about it, things I didn't I
guess I'm just dumb because I didn't see that at all.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And we know that maybe that's it. You know what, Hey,
did you maybe consider that you're dumb? If you are dumb,
possible that you are. Sometimes I just.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Don't see things in movies and in books.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm going to read we have always lived in the
Castle and be like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I don't know people anyway. So the rachel doles all
of it all. When I read a little bit about it, yeah,
they were like, oh, is it implying that she was
leading to the death of this student so that she
could get tenure because she was going to get it otherwise,
because that is when she got it. They were like, right,
you just got it because the black student died and
we need changed our image which is so dark and
(30:34):
also so real.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, I feel they make big decisions when something a
big tragedy happens.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Totally and like to take away from that or just
like anything to make themselves look as good as possible
for whatever they think good is in the public opinion
of the time in the moment.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, yeah, And I could see that.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
The other oh I'm sorry, please continue. Oh was I
gonna say? The other thing was oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
They also mentioned the point of like, well, she did
call into question this like accusation, you know, because she's like, actually,
I do have a black dad, and my woman who
raised me just like completely ignores it. And also it's
the actress is black, so you're kind of like, yeah, well,
(31:20):
which honestly was it was genius. I'm always interested when
they're like the even the movie is like now you're
questioning everything and like what.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Did it even mean to think that? Or like what
is it? You know, and that they brought up.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Was and this article was that it's like her experience
with the blackness is one that's really weird and specific,
like maybe she was raising this weird Amish community and
they ignored the fact that she was black and whatever,
but like this institution she's in or just the world
at large doesn't know how to deal with that story.
So she just like plays this very just like black
(31:55):
professor who's black in the ways you'd imagine, and she
puts on rap music and she talks this way, and
you know, she wears like a head scarf and whatever,
and like that is the version that whether she's a
Rachel Dolesal or whatever, she's still like playing this character
that people can can wrap their heads around, right where
(32:16):
like she actually has maybe a really weird experience of it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But even by the end, Gail.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Was like, I have no idea if you're black or not.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I don't know. I don't know which.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But it's so interesting because she's like it doesn't even
like the fact that it doesn't matter is crazy and
I need to leave, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was I think That's the thing
is like intentionally the writer and the director, she doesn't
give us closure on stuff we don't because she's like,
you don't deserve it. Yeah, this country doesn't deserve it.
And it's like it is all ongoing and it's impossible
(33:00):
to tie up with a little I guess it like
it would be doing a disservice to the message of
the movie to give it like a a so called
happy ending. But at the same time, yeah, I did
not like that Jasmine died. I did not. I really
thought she was gonna fight the wit and destroy it. Oh.
I hated that actually so much. That really sucked that
(33:24):
that was so messed up. I could not believe that
they did that. No, I couldn't either. Okay, content warning
you guys, we're gonna be speaking about suicide. Jasmine dies by.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Suicide, yeah, or by the witch she hangs her Rachel
dolozol or I guess the way.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
We don't know, Yeah, but I guess we don't know.
I assumed suicide. Yeah, me too. I mean that damn it.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, it's really fucking sad, and I mean they deal
with that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Part.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I don't know if this is a choice or not.
But it happened so matter of factly, it was devastating.
Like she's very devastated obviously when it happens. But it's
like that is the We've been with this character the
whole time. And then she walks in and she's like,
I know what I need to do.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, and I thought it was set up a battleground. Yeah,
me too, from which to fight the witch. I did
not excited for her to fight a witch. Yeah. The
fact that she dies is very, very devastating. It just
feels like something one, oh totally, And I don't think
it's like I do think it all like serves the
(34:31):
point the message of the movie. And it's like, from
a story perspective, it's not what I want, but from
a reality perspective, it's yeah, damn even if it like
and especially actually if it wasn't dying by suicide. It's
like the rates at which young black people die in
America are so high and it really is like they're
(34:54):
here one minute and they're gone the next, and it's
like unfair. Unjust does it make sense? Uh so tragic,
feels like it should be preventable, like all these things,
and that her death I think was right. And I'm
just thinking. One thing that's so scary is like almost.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No one knew, yeah, any reason why she died, Like
only Gail is the one who knows even a little.
She's like having this like horror witch experience, Like nobody
knows that this like witch is haunting her mm hmm,
you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So scary. Yeah, that was awful. I was really awful.
I was really surprised. I was.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
It makes sense from like a storyline point, but I
think it's one of those things where once it's on screen,
it's like.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No, whoa, that was our girl, that was our friend. Yah.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And then you said, okay, you didn't highlight this, you
didn't highlight this, but you said witch getting down.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Do you remember that scene where the were getting down
in the hallway. Yeah, she's got like a mop or something. Yeah,
get was getting down? Yeah that yes, What did it
mean when the witch, who maybe symbolizes white supremacy was
getting down?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Oh? If you'll excuse me, I'm really trying to get
tenure at this university and my my my mother, who
is of a certain religion, keeps calling and and trying
to reveal my whole life.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'll bear it back.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Leona shall move on to our next segment, which is
Badges and Trages.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Are you ready? Yes, this is where we award badges
for bloody thumbs. She has a remember when she goes
to some is just bleeding.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, and you're like, and it's true, it was sure,
or thumbs for bleeding and tragedy for tricky witches aka
microaggressions and racism.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, all right. I my first badge is a badge
for it so far. I'm loving how spooky this is.
That was right at the beginning. I mean, my goodness,
the shots of the university, the spooky weather, yeah, the buildings,
everybody who was around. Yeah, very spooky, and I liked that.
(37:37):
I liked it spooky seasons.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I have a badge for I just love a college library.
For some reason, it is one of the most liminal
spaces and it makes me feel so safe. I think
I feel safe when I'm outside of time the concept
of time generally, and that was like the only the
only place that felt far away from it all. Yeah,
(37:59):
you're just so alone.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yes, anyway, I have a britage for I keep gasping
at the casual racism. Yeah, especially like when she comes
into her room and the guy is like, who are
you and she's like, guess, and then they just guess
black women.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It was so weird. It was Beyonce. She's like, ha
ha what And it's a britage because the badge part
is the way that they communicated again the black experience
at a PWI and those everyday microaggressions. And I will
inform you of the trage part when we get to trages.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Great. Yeah, I also have a badge for just like
it just was good, Like they did a very good
job at I think microaggressions also are something that are
kind of hard to do because again they're they're micro
and they are just so day to day that sometimes
in movies they try to make things really big and pronounced.
But I think they did a very good job of
(39:06):
just like those little moments and they felt really real,
especially as college people aren't they're not educated yet, they
don't know, they're not very aware of what they're doing,
like the things her friends would say and the little
jokes that guys would make and stuff. They didn't feel
necessarily intensely violent, but it was like the lonely the
(39:26):
isolation was like so pronounced by all the little things.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I agree that they did a good job on that. Yeah,
a badge for it. This is kind of similar to
almost exactly what I just said. It's capturing the PWI
experience in a very haunting way. I think that specifically,
like it captured the experience really well, and also it
made it the scariest. It somehow lingered for long enough
(39:52):
on each interaction or each unsettling kind of each moment
that made her feel unsafe or unwelcome in such a
way that it made it was a horror film.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, it wasn't like just a commentary on the lay.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
It was.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Styled into the genre very effectively. Badge for America is
a witch? I love that also, just generally does she
say that as a line?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
She says, She says it's when she's like, oh, I
can't get away from it.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I can't get away from it. When they're in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
She doesn't say America is a witch, but she says
it's everywhere it's America.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And I was like, she's addressing the witch. She's talking
about the witch right now, She's saying that the witch
is America.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Hm. But what I mean by this also is just like,
I really do think horror is such an effective way
to think about racism in America, specifically because it really
does like we're literally haunted by slavery and what came
after and institutional Yeah, it's just like if you don't
(41:03):
look it in the eyes, if you don't try to
take it down directly, it will haunt you everywhere.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
It is in everything.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Anyway, yeah, yeah, badge for I'm obsessed with the lighting
in this. I thought the lighting was really good and
it was so intentional, seeing where she's going back to
her dorm and then the hallway is completely in red
lay yeah, totally. Or when she's in the shower and
then the lighting is completely red scary. Yeah, who was
(41:32):
in the back there? I thought it was a man
of the shower. It was the Baba duck. Of course.
She turns around and it's just like a hoodie and goggles. Right.
I don't know why goggles in the dorm room shower.
It's not the pool. I wrote down a badge. I
love Regina Hall. I decay, I just do okay, Yeah yeah, yeah,
(41:54):
I thought she was really good in this. Yeah she
was badge overall. This movie is so good and real
question I also real.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I wrote down I think this is good and I
wrote that I wrote that early and I did. I
really enjoyed it. I think I did a really good
job at what it was doing. I really do badge
for it. This movie is very well cast. I thought
the casting was very good. Yeah, I agree, each of
the main characters and then all of the background white people, Yeah,
with their stupid little white person lines. I was like, yeah,
(42:27):
they really got white people for this. They got like
white academics specifically. Yeah. My last badge is Okay, she's
sillaying this monologue, Regina Hall's monologue at the celebration that
her friend got tenure, where she goes off on her
friend and then also on all of her colleagues for
how they're like handling this and processing her feelings around
(42:50):
how Jasmine died and how that will haunt her forever
and that everything she did just meant nothing. I was like, oh,
oh my god, she acted that very well. Love trages,
Traje is. My first trage is this is her hair now.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
When she starts hanging out with the white girls and
she feels like she starts to doubt herself and everything. Yeah,
she does, she straightens her hair, makes her look about
twenty years older, and.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Her hair was so cute before I know her her curls.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But I was just like, no, no, oh, and she
doesn't end up she does change it back for a time,
but yeah, I know, it was depressing.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, a trage for Amazon Studios. Boo yeah, movie was
made by Amazon. Student fuck Amazon man, God damn it,
goddamn it, god damn it. Uh trage for it. Well,
I'm gonna say it racism, Yeah, and thank you for
saying it. It just is with these movies.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
It's like I'm excited to watch it and excited to
sit and really think about it. I think horror movies
are a good like intellectual space to sort of like
sit with this stuff. But yeah, I mean it sucks.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yep. Yeah. The trag portion of my bertage for I
keep gasping at the casual racism is a trage for
the fact that I kept gasping at it. Yeah, I
kept finding it shocking. And then I was like, Leona,
this is literally every day, multiple times a day, for
black people, especially black women in America, which again I
(44:34):
thought it did a very good job of communicating trage.
For her roommate, she was just so annoying and mean. Yes,
it was just a mean person. My next trage is
these people are unrealistically mean. I thought they captured well
the microaggressions of the friend group. I didn't completely believe
it was like classic high school bully in a movie energy.
(44:56):
The way they were being that mean to her, I
was like, okay, that's a little bit hyperbolized. When she
when she goes to.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
When she's like, did you not hear me say your name?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
She's like no, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
She's like, oh, I'm not doing this with you.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's like, girl, I think having a night. She told the.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Story already about how she sleepwalks, so yeah, have to
deal with that. She is your roommate and she's clearly
having a horrible night.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Terror What that was crazy?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, oh trash for we already said this a little bit.
But someone's sitting on your bed when you come back
over and everybody just stares at you, and you're like,
this is supposed to be my safe space.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Where am I supposed to go? It's college. There's nowhere
for me to go. Trag. I might have said badge,
traj trag for god damn it. And that's at the
scene where they were maybe doing a commentary on sexual
assault on college campuses. God, but it wasn't clear the
(45:55):
goddamn it was just my knee jerk, like I don't
please know, I agree, please know? That could have been
lifted right out. You know what. No, I think so too. Yeah,
I don't know why they did that. I don't know either.
It almost there was a way to send the room
made away where it's like she just goes and stays
with a different friend. Like how that happened. I've had
(46:16):
I know people who did that during college. It's like
they left that room, but they didn't leave the university. Yeah,
which I would get because it's like you kissed my boyfriend.
I don't like that, right, I don't know what that was. Yeah. Oh,
and I guess this is my last trage, and I'm
sorry it's she died. That's my second to last trage.
That's just a frowny face with about twenty rownds. That
(46:37):
was very upsetting. It was very very upsetting. I think
I really didn't like that that happened.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
In the movie.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Me too, Me too. I wish it had at an OpenD. Yeah,
I'm sorry, but I wish it had happened.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
My final trage is I thought Jasmine was gonna fight
the Witch. I want to see it the Witch fight.
I wanted Jasmine to have a win. She was so
sad the whole time, and everything really sucked, and I
want wanted her to have a moment of just like goodness.
And then also I wanted to know what that which
looked like, Yeah, I wanted Is that too much to ask?
(47:13):
Come on, those are all my tragies.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, Leona, let's move on to our next segment, which is,
of course, how to pretend you've seen this film.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
This is for you.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Are at the library, ooh, just trying to have a
nice time, looking at some books, thinking about things, feeling
safe in a liminal space, and Tyler Tyler comes up
slams down a book next to you.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Tyler slams down the book White Fragility next to you
and says, Wow, this really made me think. And this
is the last book I'm going to read on the
topic of race in America. And that really reminds me
of a movie I saw about this girl and her boyfriend,
and her boyfriend who has a slight moment of unfaithful,
(48:01):
but then it goes back to her in the woods,
and I also I think some other stuff happens in it,
but really mainly it's about this guy who goes to
a party and sings all of the lyrics in one
of his favorite songs and I'm gonna sing that song
for you now, no no, no no, or just stop
Tyler from doing woo try at you.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Here are a few things that you can say to
pretend you've seen the film Master.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Two mm hmm. Tyler jump scares me in the library
by being a white man in a flannel and I
turned to him and have the same reaction to him
that I had to the guy who was painting Gail's
portrait in that one scene early on, I say, who
the fuck is this? Who was that guy? Who's that guy?
(48:56):
And how did he paint that whole thing so fast?
That was really wise? He was like, all right, see
you next week, and then it was done in the attic,
and then with don't put it in the attic. I
don't know, don't put it there.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yes, frickin' Tyler, I have seen the movie Master as
we as we presumed, and was very clear in the watching.
Professor Live Beckman is slightly inspired by the cases of
professors Rachel Dolizol and Jessica Krug, who pretended to be
African American but turned out.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
To be white women. Literally, why why are we doing this?
Why do people do this? Crazy?
Speaker 6 (49:33):
Like, stop doing that. That is so weird, That is
so weird to do. Just be just be your boring race.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Try to find other things about yourself besides a cultural
identity that you need to steal from somebody else.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
That is so weird. That's my two cents.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
So I hope nobody listening to this podcast is being
a Rachel doleizol.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah. Rachel doleas All was like, hi, a longtime listener,
Like what, yes, Tyler, I've seen master I and I
he walks away, and I turned to my friend across
(50:20):
the table from me, because thank god, I have a friend.
Oh my, the one thing Jasmine needed, I have a friend.
I turned to my friend and I say about Tyler
the same thing I said about the white woman who
was who had blonde, curly hair and talked about her
back not I say, I thought that was Matthew McConaughey.
(50:43):
I genuinely thought she was Matthew McConaughey before she started
talking from a from out of the corner of your eye,
she does look like Matthew McConaughey. She's got like a
an artificially tanned face. Yeah, and Sandy kerr Hare it's
it's Matthew McConaughey in Sahara. Okay specifically all.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Right, yes, Tyler, I have seen the film Master. All
of the maintenance, groundskeeper, pest control, et cetera. Workers shown
on campus are performed by people of color for the
showing the significant racial divide, even in the every day
and always in the background. And by the way, by
the way, IMDb lists that as a spoiler. Hmm, I
(51:32):
think that was accidentally placed there in the trivial section
you have to hope spoiler.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
What Yeah, that was I thought that was really effective
as well.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
She is literally like the only black person almost in
every space.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, pretty much. The scene where she is talking to
Gail in Gail's office about wanting to file a grade dispute,
and Gail gets up and closes the door because in
the hallway is a black man sweeping or vacuuming. Totally
whoam Oh god, Tyler. I wish this guy, Tyler would
(52:14):
stop talking to me. Of course, I've seen the film Master.
I'll just I guess I'll just say something insane to
him to get him to go away. Yeah. Freshman year,
I had insomnia and I thought my lamp was a Gnome.
That was weird. Okay, that's not really what I'm going through.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yes, Tyler, I have seen the film Master. Fun fact,
this was filmed at Vaster College.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
I was trying to figure out what campus that was, Rienna.
Let's spook on into our segment should you watch this
or where we tell you, beloved listeners, if we think
you should watch this movie or if you should do
something else with your spooky season. Honestly, I'm gonna say, yeah, yeah,
you should watch Master.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I thought it was Good's stuff that's open ended about it,
but it's really good, so spooky, it really scratches the
spooky itch in addition to having a lot of commentary,
and it's so tragically relevant. It's like become relevant in
the last like four weeks, so specifically because and I
(53:26):
imagine most people are aware of this, but there's been
new stories in America where black students have been found
hanged on college campuses. There have been like lynchings happening.
Jesus fucking Christ. It's there's just not there's not an
(53:46):
adjective for it. But yeah, I feel like that again,
like the scariness of this and the realness of this
was really Uh, it just was so immediate. Yeah, so yeah,
give it, give it a watch.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Making it a horror movie about specifically like this was
basically just saying like the racism at elite institute like
college collegiate institutions is actually really bad and really pleasant.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, I would say definitely you could watch this movie.
I agree, I think because it's like an Amazon film.
I just I hadn't heard of it and so seeing Yeah,
just sometimes those those movies, like streaming movies, they don't
get as much like whatever attention clout.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
But I was really pleasantly surprised it was.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
It was really good, yeah, and really scary. One thing
that you could also do instead if you wanted. I've
been listening to this podcast that I love so much
that I think you also like.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
Is it called Toss Popcorn. It's called Toss Popcorn.
Speaker 7 (54:57):
I would recommend instead of listening watching this movie to
listen to Toss pop forn. No, there's this podcast I
think you would like to called Our Ancestors, We're Messy.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Have you heard of this? No? I it was like
on it was like advertised on a show anyway.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
I like heard her do a guest episode and it's
just like the host is such a good storyteller, and
it's like pretty nerdy, but it's about, uh, just stories
of like black people from the past that are she
reads like old newspapers and like a lot of old
black newspapers. So it's just about like these little kind
(55:38):
of like micro celebrities through history or these little stories.
And I have learned so much about black history that
I did not know. And I think it's specifically because
in school you learn about slavery and then you learn
about like major intellectual figures, but like the like cull
(56:00):
trual history of anything is just like you don't there's
just you just don't learn about.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
I've learned about all sorts of different like predominantly black
cities that I didn't know about, and like, uh a
lot about predominantly black colleges and things, and I don't know,
I've just learned a lot of stuff. And on top
of that, they're just like really funny stories about about people,
about people like having their silly love stories and stuff,
not just like the major celebrities that you usually hear
(56:30):
about that I was listening to it earlier and I
was like, this is so good and she was talking
about colleges actually, and so anyway, it's like a very
it's a very positive and fun listen if you want to,
if you want to listen to something, I just really
recommend that podcast.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
That's so good.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yes, And it's like, I don't know, it's you can
tell it's a nerd making it like us because there's
just a lot of like music and sound production to
it that she doesn't need to do, but it just
makes it really fun.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
So go ahead and listen. Okay, cute, cute and fun.
Cute and fun. Leanna, what would you rate the movie?
Do you think I would give Master four? Icy runs
through spooky graveyards filled with pilgrims out of fu Yeah,
(57:20):
they were everywhere. That was really good. I really liked
the spookiness. It was exactly the kind of spooky I
look for in a spooky film. And there was so
much extremely prescient social commentary about this fucking country. And
I also thought there were some loose ends that weren't
(57:44):
just loose ends for the sake of being like, I'm
not tying this up on purpose. It was like, wait,
what happened with that thing? What would you rate the film.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
I too would give it four witches, getting down out
of five she was getting.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
I completely agree.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
I thought it was great and yeah yeah, I mean
I was confused sometimes, but that's fine.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
I think I will watch it again. Yeah, I will say, now,
hang up? Now what? And I wonder if I want
to be in like some forums. I want a discussion
too about that too, But I don't want just anybody
in there. I don't want like most of the internet
in that forum.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Okay, that's been our review that's been Tossed Popcorn's review
of Master. Thank you everybody so much for listening. We
are on Instagram at Tossed Popcorn, where we post cute
little posters photoshopped posters courtesy of Siena of the movie
(58:46):
with our silly stupid faces on them and memes from
the film created by us, as is everything with this podcast,
and we are also on Patreon Patreon dot com slash
tossed Popcorn for a bonus monthly video episode about a
movie that's out now and join us next week Halloween Week,
(59:11):
Hello week, when we will be watching Jennifer's Body. Thank you,
we love you, Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
You can find us on Instagram as at Sienna Jaco
and at Leanna Holsten. Please check the description for the
spelling of our dumb names. We put on episodes every Tuesday,
so make sure to subscribe so that you don't miss
an episode. See you next week on Tossed Popcorn. For
more podcasts from my Heart Radio, check the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
I noticed you didn't read my line about a raccoon.
I didn't see it. Let me see.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Okay, you've said investigative, ractue, investigative, raccoon
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