November 4, 2025 • 61 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Toss Popcorn is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, I'm Sienna.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Jakole and I'm Leanna Holsten, and welcome to Tossed Popcorn,
The podcast where two idiots that's us watched every film
on the AFI's one hundred Greatest American Movies of All Time,
the Very Slightly Less Racist tenth Anniversary Edition.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And are now watching films directed by women. Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
This podcast is a safe lesbian for people who don't
know anything about movies. This podcast is a lesbian, safe
lesbian lesbian podcast is lesbian. Today. We're watching Pariah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Really compliments your figure? You know, maybe we can go shop.
And I saw one just like it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The name warning. There will be spoilers about this young
old films. Contact warning homophobia, uh slurs, hate.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Speech, hate, hate speech, hate crime.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah yeah yeah, Sanda, did you know anything about this movie?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I knew nothing, Okay, I knew truly nothing. My my,
my prediction doesn't give very much information. But do we
listen to it now?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, yeah, hey, you doing okay?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah? I forget sometimes you came among every like twelve podcasts.
I forget how we.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah yeah yeah. The brain resets Factory settings.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah exactly. Let's listen to my prediction, okay, of Parah.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hi, Leanna, this is Sienna. I'm about to watch Pariah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's hard for me to fathom it not being a
horror movie when we've been watching spooky movies.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But hmmm, well, but I don't know, you know, in
some ways, some ways, I.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Really don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Maybe it's about a woman who's like cast out of
her workplace, or is like.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Some either something you need to be cast out of
my workplace or where.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
People turn on her, or something we experienced otively that happens.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Gosh, we'll just have to find out.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I hope, but it's either going to be scary or interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Mmmm.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's what movies are, okay, I love you.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Goodbye movies famously either scary or interesting. I also, I
had to worry that it was going to be very
much a story about black trauma, but then it was
about queer trauma. Yes, okay, Sianna. Here is my prediction
for Pariah. Hi, Sienna, it's Leanna. I'm about to watch Pariah.
(03:11):
I've never seen this before, I've heard about it. I
think it's how I learned the word pariah. Okay, and
when looking up where to watch it, I saw that
it is gay, so I predict it's probably gonna be
some lesbian suffering. Yeah, yeah, it's like nice. I hope
it's a nice experience.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I love you by.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Kind of kind of yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, Leanna, before we got on this call, you said
you couldn't share your phone notes with me yet. Do
you want to tell me that now?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I'll go ahead and share them with you and
we'll just see, we'll just see, Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I wonder if they're going to be in the shape
of something or Okay, But before even opening this, there's
a thumbnail when Leona sent it, and there's a huge
winking ghost emoji. By the way, there's a large, very large,
(04:18):
looming large ghost bit memoji memoj G three D big
arms out displayed winking ghost and Happy Halloween, Leanna. We
are we are in fact recording this on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't know how that got there, and I knew
it was going to show up in the preview, and
I said, now give me a second to explain.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
You don't know how it got here.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, something's been happening recently where my keyboard will send
one emoji so big.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And I was just trying to type my phone notes
and then it pucked this enormous winking ghost a bullet point.
It is still a bullet point. And one note I'd
like to add is.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Ah, I it feels right to me that you would
be haunted by a big, winking ghost that you turn
and go, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
If weber listener, we'll put a screenshot of it with
the poster that we post for Instagram this week to
show you what we're talking about, Oh my god. But
before we actually dive into our haunted phone notes. Oh syrah,
Hey girl, all right, I feel like you're having a
(05:59):
big week, right, Yeah, very busy.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I am so that job I worked on the last yeah,
and I guess so I worked. I worked a couple of.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Did you have no sparatu?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Was no?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Was a couple of weeks ago? Oh oh, and uh,
but I did work at a little festival this week,
and then I've been working on I had to I
had to shape pasta in the shape of a man's
name for a shoot, and that took some time.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You had to shake pasta in the shape of a
man's shape. Okay, so you didn't have to like shape
shake it out of the box and just hope it
landed saying no mark on the floor.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Very interesting. No, I don't think I I don't and
I know that this is I know that this is obvious,
but I don't think anyone would ever have to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I don't know. I don't know your life. You're uncooked
who it's fallen out?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh, cooked, doesn't matter. I don't know having I don't
know if I'm having a big week. I guess kind
of what kind of pasta I made angel hair so
it would stick together better? Yeah, sticky angel hair, and
it had to say angel hair. I know. I feel
like I feel like angel hair was a huge part
of my life. This child, I thought about it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's not coming up these days, not coming up.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I don't know if he's an adult. You can eat
that much angel hair, you can get away.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
With it, oh, because because it would just fill you
right out.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But yeah, anyway, everybody follow bear paint on Instagram, like
all the puppet things so that they hire me again. Yeah, yes, yes,
they're very cute. Leonna Hey, hey girl, Hey girl. I am.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I don't know how I feel, but I am announcing
that I have officially joined a pilates studio once again.
So it is over for you hoes.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Actually, oh my god, I feel like you'd be amazing
at pilates.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I am. I there's a new studio opening in my neighborhood.
I joined to get the like discounted membership of being
a quote unquote founding member.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I went to my trial class this morning and I
was the only person. No way, no, that can't be.
What time of the morning, eight o'clock in the morning.
I had a forty five minute one on one reformer
pilates session.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That is insane.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I can't stand up. It's been taking ten plus seconds
to get out of any seated position.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Today.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I live in great fear of tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You couldn't. You couldn't. You couldn't rest if you tried. No, no,
the world, there was no one hide behind.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
No I know.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Do you think this is gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So? I hope not. I in a dream world. It's
it's somewhere in between. So was it because it was
and full? I think it's because they opened yesterday? Oh right, right, right, right, right, okay, yeah, yes, so,
and a fair number of people had canceled because Thursday
is the new Friday, it's hallowekends. Yeah, everybody's hung over.
(09:42):
I saw the drunkest Austin Powers I've ever seen yesterday
on the Tube. Oh he is not having a good
day today. I would bet money.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Oh because of Halloween. I don't know why that. I
was like, how did you see Austin Powers?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
No? I saw the confusion in your face and I
decided not to explain. I said, no, she'll get there.
She will get there. I'm not doing anything about this.
She'll get there.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I got there, and I got there.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So are you in any Halloween events? Yes? I have
a corporate gig tonight and then after that I'll be
going to a Halloween party. So I need to strike
the balance. I'm gonna have to be very brave. It's
a gig where I go on at like nine fifteen,
and then I have to go from there to a party.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, you are gonna have to be very brave.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So I'll be arriving at like ten, I'll be starting
the partying at ten o'clock. You can do it, which
is very brave.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And you know what, speaking of very brave.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes, actually that's funny.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
That's speaking of actually brave, not just going to a
Halloween party. Sienna, could you please give us a synopsis
of the film Pariah. Yes, Pariah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
A Leak is gay and a conservative household with parents
who sweet problems under the rug. She's trying to find
her beautiful, sensitive, butch self while living in a household
with in denial bigoted parents, living in a time and
community with that is super weird too.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And about gay women and.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Living in a life stage where it's hard to find
a genuine.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Relationship like she would like to have with a girl.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
She is doing her best. She is so brave.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
The end, she really is balancing. She's balancing so many things.
And it ends with her being like, I can't be here.
I need to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I'm chusing myself and I gotta go be somewhere where
I can be myself.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
The Bay Area, the Bay Area. And I said, yeah,
good call, action, Yeah, very good choice. Oh my god. Yes, Okay, Sienna,
let's let's move on to our haunted phone those do
it where we read the notes the other person took
on their phone while watching the film up top, What
what did you think of this movie?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I really liked it. Yeah, yeah, I had a there
were times where I was like, Okay, this is it's
just so genuine, and there are times where it was
really cute. And the sad things that happened. I mean
that the really most tragic thing is like her mom
is just not capable of her mom has so many
(12:34):
of her own issues, and she's not capable of like
loving her daughter for herself or just like right now
just fully accepting. It's it's very very sad, but uh,
and it's really disappointing the like relationship she has for
a second and then finds out it's like not the
same for her, for it doesn't mean the same for
(12:57):
this girl, and it's it's really it's very devast but
it's also like, I don't know, she she just learns
to she learns to be with herself and like learns
that there's more out there. And I just I thought
it was I really I really enjoyed it. Yeah, yeah,
I liked it a lot too. I thought it was
(13:18):
very I loved that it was an hour and twenty
six months. I know, it was perfect.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It was about at the length of the film should be,
and there was just so much you could feel that,
there was so much love behind it. Yeah, for the characters.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, it just all felt so genuine.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
None of it felt like trauma poorn.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
That's what I was gonna say, Like tough stuff happened
to her, but it just felt like a coming of
age experience, like of like this is a really hard time. Yeah,
but yeah, it wasn't just like like I was really
afraid something bad was gonna happen to like the club.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I was afraid there was gonna be like a looming
danger because it's like I don't know what's going to
happen in this And it wasn't like that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No. Yeah, it was all smaller scale, everyday, very human,
real life. Yeah drama.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yes, yeah, I hadn't heard I hadn't heard much about it,
but because I'd even heard the name, I guess I
thought it would be kind of like more artsy, and
I don't know, it was just like a very kind
of sweet movie. Just a cute movie about a girl.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, a.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Cute movie about a girl.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah. I thought it was so good. I really enjoyed it. Alia,
you said, beads on a bikini is so fun.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I've never thought about this as a possibility, but at
the club, one of the dancers her bikini has like
beads on it, so when she's upside down, there's beads
that are long and dangling. And I said, ah, yes,
I love that. I love that. I love seeing something
(15:11):
I haven't seen before and being like that, we can
do that. That's great, Okay, Sienna, you asked, yes, okay,
you asked, damn, how would you feel if a teacher
talked to you that directly.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And you said, you said, not your best? Horrific, horrific.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Never say that to me. I never want to hear that.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
When I was in high school, if a teacher had
talked to me that directly. And this is probably why
I didn't do well in college is that I didn't
really I wanted to play the game of school, but
I didn't have it in me to be like, oh,
I really just want to get better at this craft.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
No, no, no, no, noan I want to prove yes,
yes exactly, not to hone.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
No hoane, not hone.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, I'm not honing the teacher.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
She has a school teacher who's eating celery and being.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Very classic understanding English teacher who the gay kid eats
lunch with.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yep, she goes, yeah, these you know you're these these
poems are fine. They're not your best. It's writing's not great.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Oh and I've had that feedback as an adult human person,
and it's it makes me want to throw up. Yeah,
it's the worst possible feedback you can get. Oh, it's
so bad. I don't think you should be allowed to
say that to a child. But then I guess maybe
(16:39):
that's good. Oh that would devastate me. That would really
take me out.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I know she's so strong, Leona, you said, yeah, I
thought about you when this was said. She said, but
she's a junior. She's not gonna have any memories, mama,
she won't have any memories anyway. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Her mom's like, you're not gonna go to the dance,
but you need to make you How are you gonna
have memories of school? And I was like, what what
do you mean memories of school?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I don't know anybody who's like, I'm so glad I
went to my school dance because of the memories I have.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, any memory I have from a school dance is
very unhappy. To be honest, I'm not saying I was
deeply unhappy at every second of every dance, but those
are the only ones I remember. I remember feeling very awkward,
not knowing how I'm supposed to dance at a school dance, how.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Much we're dancing mm hmm, or being betrayed. Grind Did
people grind it? Kept in school? Who?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Oh my gosh? Yes, and I they love that, are
you kidding? They feel extra It's extra titilating because you're
not supposed to do it, okay. And I would stand
on the outskirts and go, I'm not getting anywhere near
there by the way any of you want me to
get in the middle of the riding circle, I'm not
going to. And everyone said what we don't?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who are you? And I said, you just you keep
down the mega. Why are you announcing this.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is your mom following you around with the blouse instead
of learning who you are. You have three minutes to
find somewhere else to be. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, this is true. Leanna, you said moms can be
awkward too, yes, And Sianna you wrote okay, so her
mom is weird to everyone.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
That was I thought that was actually very interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I thought so too, that they were like I
actually really liked that me too.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's like, let's be honest, let's see her mom. It's
not like she's absolutely one thriving and somehow, I feel
like you don't often see this when there's like a
movie where it's like traumatically their parents don't support them.
It's like, see her mom. Actually, her mom is unhappy
in her own life and the same things that make
her bigoted towards her daughter make it hard for her
to connect with people. Yeah, she's very judgmental. She's not open.
(19:11):
She like can't accept herself. She's like she's just pretty.
She's like forcing herself to be small minded. Like you
can feel that. She's like I'm not I don't I
don't want to extend my universe. I'm scared of that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It was all going to see other consequences of that,
thinking mm, yeah, that's really true, and just to see
like her mom in her own context and life. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I feel like often in stories like this, you see
the parent just at home, Yeah, being parent where this
it's like she's also at work being colleague. She's at
church being like friend yeah, other mom, yeah flash colleague.
But yeah, I was like, oh my god, that is
so true. Like parents are also just people, yeah, who
(20:04):
are all weird?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah she was so weird. She like was so unfriendly
to this woman who came to sit with her. She's like, yeah,
I'm just eating vanilla yogurt.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh god, just yogurt. Was Oh, I mean that that's
so her. What your next note is? Where's the dildo?
That was so scary? Her homophobic friendless mom is gonna flip?
(20:39):
That scene was so funny.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
They're swinging around the dilldoor. First of all, okay, one thing,
I need to just get out there right now. There
were many cultures represented what that are not my own
that I don't that I there's lots that I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Know, for example twenty eleven. For example twenty eleven, which
was a big one culture of twenty eleven, but like
really like gay club.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
This is like do you wear dildos? Are you wearing
a strap on in your pants? Like all night?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I also don't know, but I do. There was a
term youthed that I have heard of. Was it strapping? Uh?
Huh when when Alika tells, oh, Laura, yeah, like, oh,
can you get me like a strap on? And Laura's like, oh,
(21:47):
and I do think that, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So strapping is when you Yeah, I was like, I
did not know.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That that is a thing. She was so uncomfortable, I know.
So it was really very funny to me that it
was a white peen. I was laughing, Oh, if we
haven't made this very clear, everybody else in the movie
is black.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, except the dildo, except for the everybody else except
for the dildo, except for the character of the dildo,
which is white, which is white and then placed in
the garbage. I loved there's a lot of a metaphor
(22:26):
behind throwing away a white penis. I mean, hello, I
just like, yeah, I really liked this movie. It was
really like she's trying to be so many things. She's
trying to be.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This like stud you know.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
She's like yeah, you know, because she's not only it's
not like she's just figuring out she's gay like she is.
She's like, I'm gay. I know that I'm trying to
figure out like actually where I fit in the gay
community and like what I want. Like Laura is completely
she's like she's more experienced, she's more sort of like
I don't know, she like seems to enjoy the sort
(23:02):
of club culture war where you're kind of like making
out with people wherever, and like Alik is not. She
like kind of wants like a sensitive girlfriend kind of thing,
but she also is she's like mask and she's like,
I don't try to figure out what I am. Like
they were saying this term like ag which is like
I guess means sort of mask, but it was like aggressive,
(23:23):
like and she's like, I'm not that aggressive right now,
but like that is like how I want to express
myself in the queer community, and like yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It was like there were so many things at play
where she's like, she's really just it's such a it's
such a tough age. There are so many things holding
you back and so many questions.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And yeah, yeah. It felt very unflinching in a way
that sounds unflinching is a verb that sounds so like gritty,
like oh, but I just mean it in terms of
like it just felt like it was very honestly portraying
all of the aspects of like this very early stage
(24:07):
of somebody figuring out their their queer identity and how
they want to be in those spaces, which is very
sweet and also for a film from twenty eleven, like Groundbreaking,
very it's time, crazy, ahead of its time.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Lehanna, you said you said blouse derogatory.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh yeah. Her mom's like, I got you a blouse,
and I was like, oh, of course you did, terrible.
Nobody should be wearing a blouse. I think we as
a society have moved past the need for a blouse.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
When's the last time I got a blouse?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
So I don't think blouses are good for human rights.
I'm sorry, I'll say it the blouses.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Leanna, you said something very true that I all. I
don't think I highlighted, but I wrote you said her
dad's hot. Unfortune Sorry they have a very handsome dad.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Wow, we have you seen him these days? Man? He
looks good.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Really?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
What's he I looked him up very immediately after the.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Meeting and other things. He is.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
He's very hand I think was in Top Gun Maverick,
not a movie I saw, but he was handsome in it.
He's just he's playing a lot of like senator or
high ranking official. Roles.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Sometimes a man is attractive in a way where you go,
that is handsome.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He's a handsome man. That is a handsome man. That
man is handsome.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I hated that he was a cheater. Why do they
always have to cheat? Like, why is that there?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Was he for sure? Was that like officially determined? Because
she screams cheater.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh, because finally expeled and starts lashing out like a
cat at her daughter because she's like, gay, you're gay.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
At the same time she's like, cheater, You're a cheater.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So she's like letting it all out. There's more that
she knows, and she's suppressing it all.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Men, she's just supprised. This woman, she is not well.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I love this movie had so many We got to
see everybody's relationship, Like her relationship with her dad is
actually really good, but he obviously like wants to protect
her in his own way, like he sees the way
that these men talk about the lesbians in the neighborhood. Yeah,
the lesbians in the neighborhood. The neighborhood because twenty eleven
vibes this. This gayer had just opened. So people are
(26:35):
like talking about gay women more because they're like we're
seeing them around and they're like weird there. Yeah, they're
kind of like boys but they're girls, like.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
What do I call them?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And being super weird to them, and her dad's like, well,
that can't be true of my daughter, yeah, because that's
crazy and I don't want that to be true because
I don't want her to be treated this way. And
also that's kind of weird, right, you know, like they're
just not they're limited and they're thinking even though like
their daughter is. By the end, she's like, guys, you
(27:08):
know I'm gay, Like that's her speech. She's like, you know,
look at me, like you know who I am? You
literally know who I am?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, oh I really loved and this is also true, Sianna.
You noted sisters are genuinely so annoying, which very yes.
I loved the sister dynamic when they're negotiating giving back
the makeup in exchange for not telling about the dildo,
but also her relationship with her sister was so sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It's so sweet, oh.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Man, when her sister comes into her room when their
parents are yelling at each other, and then when her
sister is like, you don't I don't care, right, it's
so sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They're just like true, they are true sisters. They just
love each other. It's like there's nothing weird. She's she's
so annoying, Like the time where I was so overstimulated
in like a family way where her sister's like they're
in the car or something, and she's like, I'm not
touching you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm not touching you. I'm touching you. I'm like er
But then she kind later she made me laugh so hard,
the younger sister when she's sitting in the backseat and
the mom is like, oh, meet this person, and she
just rolls down the window, goes hey and rolls it
back up. Whoever that actor was was so good, iconic.
I loved her. She was verbarious. She was just a
(28:29):
really good actor.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But uh yeah, the same way that your sister is
the most annoying person in the world is she's like
this meant.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Like I just.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Like you're just my sister, Like that doesn't I know
exactly who you are. That's the thing too, is like
Alika wasn't she was hiding. She would like change her
outfit when she went to school and stuff because she
didn't want to deal with her mom's vibes and stuff.
But it's not like, you know, she's like, I don't
you know, I don't want to wear the blouse like
I am who I am. I'm not like trying to
(29:01):
hide from you guys that I like even like girls.
It's more than liking girls. It's like this is me,
Like I'm not I'm not this version of a woman
that you're so attached to that you've made your whole
life about performing this like weird idea of traditional Yeah,
and it's like so limiting, like you have so little community.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah anyway, Yeah, I know, I was thinking, like god,
this this must just be so tiring, like as a
way to live, yeah, to have to like hide parts
of yourself at home and then also just like physically
changing your outfit.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I get tired just going fruit shopping for now jeans
it really and putting pants on and on and off,
but having to do that every day because you have
to conceal part of yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh my god, Leanna.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, I also I also was very I also very
much noted this.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You've said she she wants to listen to polka music.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Oh my god, this again, this whole woman is not
well is not okay.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Her mom this whole movie has been like no, no,
She's like suppressing everything. She's like, no, you cannot do this,
you cannot do that. You can like like stop, you
guys are being two. You girls are becoming to humans.
You're becoming yourselves. I don't want to And then they're
fighting a lot, like there's a lot of tension in
the house, and she's like they're in the car after
she was like, you have to hang out with this girl, Bina,
and she's like, you know, no, we're not listening to
(30:32):
whatever stupid music you want to listen to, whatever gay
music you want to listen to.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
You know what, We're listening to my music.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Okay, everybody stopped. We're listening to my good Christian womanly music.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And she turns on the music for once.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
And she turns on the music.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And it's polka music, like do do? It was like, Oh,
what was happening in the twenty eleven Christian black mom's world?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Was there a polka renaissance? I have no idea commune
going on. But again I think importantly she had almost
no community at all, because no, she was she was isolated,
a friendless homophobe. She was touchstar and I.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Guess when that's the way. The only that's the only
self expression we've seen for the entire movie from her
mom is that she.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Listens to polka music. It does track that like her
inner soundtrack is polka. Given everything that she's like holding in, girl,
that's why you need to let out your emotions, because
otherwise your inner soundtrack really become polka. H It was
so tough when Bina was like, oh, this was not
that serious, by the way, I thought that was about
something else. I thought she'd seen a text from Laura
(31:49):
or something and was like, are you seeing this other girl?
But then she just was like being really cold and
being like, oh no, it's not that deep.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That sucks. It just sucks too because it's not like
it's not like she's just like, oh, oh sorry, honey,
like I don't want I don't want to date you,
but like this was special. She just like woke up
so cold.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So sad one, and why did you have to be
so mean? It was so mean. It was very heartless.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It was hard left.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Crying and Alia didn't do anything, Olik.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It was even like we don't have to do anything.
We don't have to label anything. We don't even have
to like whatever, but like, don't pretend this wasn't special,
Like this was we had like a special night right.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And she's like no, also like it was Bena initiating
it the whole time and being like, oh, Okay, we
don't have to if you don't want to. Yeah, then
they did, and then uh, yeah, I really understood a
Leek's crash out when she got home and ripped everything
off of her wall.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Oh she's just so confused, I know. She's like I
finally found somebody who's like on a similar vibe of me,
who doesn't want to just like be hooking up at
the club, Like I want to do something a little
bit more real and like I want to take things slow.
And I got excited and then like I had fight
with my friend and I'm trying where I am and
like my mom is like literally has so many problems,
(33:14):
Like she actually is really messed up.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
She has one of the all time worst days where
she wakes up by getting like her heart broken by
this woman she thought that by this girl she thought
she was maybe seeing dating, and then she ends the
day by getting beaten. Oh my god, her mama the
same day. That was all the same day.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Wow, and she ends up leaving and not going back home.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I know, I know. That was a really interesting parallel
to Laura's narrative. Yeah, like when we meet Laura's mom, Oh.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
My god, my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
There was a lot in this that was so like
it's just so hard, was like queer trauma.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, where it is like.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
But again, it didn't feel indulgent. It just felt like, yeah,
this is what happens or has happened in like some
communities and to some people. But oh also the fact
that Laura has like both moms in the film slammed
the door in her face. Oh, she's very like a
(34:23):
very strong person. What the hell? What she didn't do anything? Yeah,
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
She's actually a really good person and a great friend friend. Yes,
community member generally, she's such a good friend. Oh my god.
So there's there's like a three fourths of the way
through the movie that's about when I was like, if
they're gonna do something really bad, like dangerous on another level,
like something bad happened to the club, which I kind
(34:59):
of thought might happen to be because her dad said
the thing because Elik's dad was like, don't hang out
around that area. He was mentioning the cops, and I
was just like, is something gonna happen there? And that
guy was so bigoted to the person who was like
in yeah anyway, So I was like, I hope something
creepy or like something really bad doesn't happen to the club.
And around the time of the movie where something like
(35:20):
that would happen in another movie is exactly when instead
Laura is like, Hey, I'm sorry that I was being
so mad at you before, and it's okay, and it's
okay that you were taking time to like find yourself
and that you were taking time to like with this girl,
and I see that she makes you happy, and I'm
happy for you, and I may be a little in
love with you on some level and like that, Like
(35:43):
I just I was really struck by the fact that
this is the moment of the movie where something would
happen that's crazy another time, and it's just like her
actually just being a really thoughtful, good, merciful, forgiving friend.
She's like, we're both going through stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I love when women make things I know.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Anyway, Leon I'm gonna read some of your last notes here.
You've said, don't be homophobic, you are gay.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
That's when Bina first kisses her. Yeah, and she like,
she freaks out and leaves right. Yeah, yea. I was like, Mama,
don't be homophobic, you are gay. Remember, but also I
understand Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, she homophobically pulled away from this, very homophobically ran away.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
She freaked out in a really homophobic way.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
And then soon after this, Leanna, you said, Mama, the
internalized homophobia is internalized homophobia.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Aying, oh that was at Bina. When Bina was like,
I'm I'm not gay gay.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, that would be weird.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I'm not said Okay, ten years and ten years you'll
have a better understanding of it, Yeah, and you will realize,
yes you are.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Leanna, you said, frownie face, frownie face, frownie face.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Oh, very big frowns. I think that was the confrontation
scene with her parents.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I think I did the exact type of frownie face
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yes you did. Yeah, that was a really hard I
mean they all did a really like the actors did
such a good job because oh my god, it was
so hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, it was really said, it's so genuine. It's so
like they're like her mom is like, you know what,
you are disgusting, and her dad's like, you're not though,
come on, let's be honest, you're not right, You're not gay.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Just say it's a phase.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Because they're like, we can't deal with what we have
to deal with after this, Like we can barely deal
with our own marriage. Yeah, we don't know how to
handle this part of you being yourself, So please just
don't be yourself to us. Oh, Leanna, you said, yeah,
best to ben that blouse, best to ben the blouse,
best to bel m, best.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
To be in the blouse. When the mom throws away
the meals that she cooked for her husband, she also
throws away the blouse. And I said, yeah, yeah, I
mean nobody wants that no blouse. That blouse sucks.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
And then your final note is a bit of applause,
A bit of applause.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I just thought it merited a bit of applause.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I really liked the ending was so sweet. Her final
piece of writing, oh where she said, I'm not broken,
i am free, I'm not running all.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Just really good, really good movies, successful film successful film,
This film film, they hit it out of the park
in a successful way. Well, and now she gets to
go be gay in Berkeley, and god, I really do
think it's just nice that it ends on like a
really hopeful note too.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
It really does, it really does. It's like she's gonna
find it. Like she still has a relationship with her dad.
She's like, I'm I've outgrown you, guys. Yeah, and her
sister new slaves maybe her mom, Like I even felt
hope that like her mom will her mom has to
be the one to come around, right, and she's already
it's already shaken her right right anyway, Oh.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Did you just find out that your mom's favorite genre
of music is polka? Take these next few minutes to
really reconcile that information.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Well, Leona, shouldn't move on to our next segments, Yes,
our next segments, and of course badges and trages where
we give badges for blouses in the trash, oh, and
trages for.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Uh taking out your own issues on your daughter.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yes, absolutely, Oh.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
My first badge is okay, a badge for the opening song,
which was of course my neck, my back, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
To finish that phrase, would be inappropriate. But I said, oh, okay,
all right, my back, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I have a badge for.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
That.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
She's proud of her writing. I liked that. I like
that character trait. Yeah, she's not like hiding from everything.
You know, I love to write and it's really good.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
What do you think? Yeah, and her beautiful smile after
she presents her writing. A badge for the lighting. I
thought the lighting was so good, especially in the club
scenes where it's like all blue or all pink or
all red. Very good lightning. There's also been a lot
of talk, I think, particularly when Insecure came out, there
(41:04):
was a lot of talk about lighting, specifically black actors,
and how it's really not been done well a lot previously. Yeah,
but I thought in this movie it was very good.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I was thinking about that because I was like, I
wonder if Insecure, if this movie was notable in that way,
because it did. Some of it did remind me of
Insecure lighting, mainly like this certain type of pink light,
which honestly just like looks beautiful when it's a whole
cast of black actors.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Like, yeah, but I I I don't know if that's
just like a common one to use or if this
was like inspiring in that way, because I found that
the lighting really notable throughout the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Also, m yeah, it was really good. I have a
badge for caring friends. There are just so many little
moments of like Laura's like, Okay, I'm gonna ride with you.
I'm gonna ride all the way back with you, and yeah,
ali Ka is like no don't. She's like what, like,
I don't, I don't. I want you to be safe,
(42:07):
and then uh yeah, just all throughout the real friends
are like forgiving and caring when they need to be there.
And yeah, I just yeah, very genuine a badge for,
as we've discussed previously, a non pervy angle when a
girl is changing her clothes on camera when they filmed that.
(42:32):
The bust one is the first one, but I thought
about it, particularly the scene where she's changing in the
school bathroom and you kind of see it through like
the crack in the door. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Again, just a very non pervy, very a very utilitary
and non pervy angle.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, totally speaking of that, I have a badge for
their little like intimacy scene this movie just it really
really got me.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
I was so bought in the whole time.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Like by that, I was like, I understand what this
means for her. Yeah, and it also doesn't matter that
we know, like the I don't know like how much
they hooked up or what they wanted to you know, like, yeah,
it wasn't really just trying to. I don't know. It
was just like very thoughtful and cute and beautiful and meaningful.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah. Yeah, badge for I love twinkle lights. Dina has
some really fun twinkle lights in her room. I love dude.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I have a badge for sisters. Uh, her sister. I
loved this actor. And also they were just so they
had such a they had such a good relationship, like
she's just one of the people she can count on,
you know.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah. Yeah. My final badge is a badge for when
Alike says, Oh, tell mom, she was right. God doesn't
make mistakes. Ah, I'm beautiful. It's make because God makes
no mistakes. I'm on the.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Way.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
That's some come out after this film. Oh my god.
It came out in twenty eleven. It came out the
same year.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Wow, see the same year as which One.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Born this Day. It came out the same year as Pariah.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
It, it's all it's all making sense, it's all clicking.
My final badge is just wow, that movie was really good.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I loved the characters. I loved the moments they chose
to highlight it just I was so locked in and
it was it was just such a thoughtful, beautiful movie
I learned. I loved how much I learned about every character,
and that like we spent time with the mom instead
of just making her a symbol of like, yeah, everyone
was very fleshed out.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
It was so good. Yeah. Trages, Yeah, trag is. My
first trage is sigh, which is the scene where her
mom is like, oh I could take your shopping, like
we could get stuff that really flat is compliment like
compliments your figure, which was just so like you feel
also for the mom trying to connect with her daughter. Yeah,
(45:17):
but mainly that the daughter like can't tell her mom
like that's not what I want. I want to be
who I am, which is this right.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, And the whole time she's frustrated is because she's like,
you know, I don't want to do that. Yeah, you know,
I don't want to do that, and you don't want
to get to know me. Yeah, yeah, tradge for that
what that man says to her, what that man says
to that man to that woman in the drug store.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, and that the dad, her dad just like stands by.
Yeah later as well.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, later, the other guys in the you know, they're like,
you're stupid and she told you off. There's just a
guy who just like says very hateful cross things to
us to this lesbian, presumably lesbian woman.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Who wants him later confirmed later confirmed lesbian presumably.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
And then confirmed lesbian. He walks in and Yeah, the
guys just kind of like stand there and then they're
like laughing, and I don't know, Yeah, they're not on
his side, but they don't do anything, which is I
think exactly what the dad's vibe is.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah. Yeah, a trage for why is every public school
the ugliest place in the world, which really is a
trage for education funding in the United States. Her high
school looked a lot like my high school, which is
to say, ugly, ugly.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I have a trage for yep, just Laura's mom's Oh,
Laura's mom's issues. I have a trage for that mom's
issues because she had him.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
A trage for he's a cop yeah, her dad's a cop.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, no trage for him being a cheater. Why is
that so depressing? And why is that always have to happen.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I don't know what I want.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's just like, for some reason, how did he find
the time? He was always working at night quote unquote
I know, and then may.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Supposed to be working at night. Bitch. A trage for
the concept of lunch meat. At one point, Laura has
let somebody stay on her couch and she's like, there's
some lunch meat in the fridge and I said.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
You.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Lunch meat, lunch meat. Lunch meat is to me gross,
She's such a caring person. Lunch meat.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
My final trage is okay, I wrote both the amount
of that they refer to being gay as a slur
or they'd use like the d slur and then calling
yourself a slur. There was just like a few I
think that they were like, I think it's it's probably
(48:11):
an accurate thing that happens. But like even when she
was coming out to her parents officially, yeah, she calls okay,
my phone just did a thumbs down when I did that,
which I don't like. When she was coming out to
her parents officially, she does. She says like, I'm a lesbian,
(48:31):
I'm the d slur, and.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
There's something about that where I'm like, I can feel
you internalizing how you're supposed to talk about yourself, which
is like I understand that it's numerous so that she's
like saying, I'm exactly your worst fear, right, but there's
an amount of just like aggression towards just like her
existence that I'm like, I can feel you internalizing it.
And there's obviously a reclaiming that's, you know, and or
(49:01):
reclaiming of terms or whatever, but it wasn't that it
was never really used very like affectionately in this because
it was mostly being used by other people being aggressive.
But yeah, I was just like watching her internalize that
she's supposed to talk about herself in like a crass
way of like you hate me, you hate me, this
(49:22):
is what I am. And I'm yeah, looking forward to
when she gets to grow through that. It's like I
basically I watched so many people say that at her
and then her say it about herself, and I was
just like, get out of there, get out of there, mom. Yeah, anyway,
I know, it's like incredibly nuanced, but it was just
making me reflect.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
My last trage is a trage for Christians. Get to
fuck with your hypocrisy, because just in so many Christian
communities they preach like, oh, love and acceptance for the
you have to treat each other with love in the
name of the Lord, and then they pull shit like this,
(50:03):
and it's like, what what are you talking about? You
need to go back to the text. You need to
revisit the text, the initial text, the text, because none
of this was in the text. So my friend Siana
knows she studied the text. As we know.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
I've read the Bible many times.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I know it's about the text comes up.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I always say, I reveal that I haven't actually read it, but.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
I haven't read it through.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
But when I skimmed it, Jesus is gay. Well shall
we move on to our next est, which is how
to pretend you've seen this film? This is for you
are at an indie music show, seeing some cool tweet
indie music or some twenty eleven era, some emo question
(50:56):
Mark music, and.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Wow, there's a fumective Detective Dad.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Detective Dad comes up to you. That's his name, Detective Dad.
He's young, but that's his name. Detective Dad comes up
to you and he says, boy, this, uh, this music
is great. I can't wait to explain some of this
music to you later. But uh, you look kind of
like you look kind of like you're maybe somebody standing
(51:22):
on standing on the outskirts of society. You remind me
of what's the word, oh A Pariah. Yeah, yeah, I
heard about that movie. I heard about it because I
think it won uh maybe some awards, which I don't know.
Sounds like sort of a chick flick to me. But
I'll tell you the things that I think it's about,
and I'm gonna tell you for a long time.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
And in order to pray Detective Dad away, we're gonna
give you a few sentences you can say to pretend
you've seen the film Paria.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I pray you away.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Praying you away. Ugh, yes, Detective Dad, I've seen Pariah.
And you know you've been approaching me at various events
and venues numerous times now, with various topics in mind
for discussion or monologuing. And I've got to tell you
this one was not your best. And then he's devastated
(52:19):
and retreats into a corner with his composition book.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
No, oh, yes, the professor. No, yes, Detective Dad, I
have seen the film Pariah. At Apero Aduye. Who's the
main actress in this? Was thirty three? Whoa in this
movie when she portrayed seventeen year old a leak A?
Speaker 2 (52:41):
No way? Yes, Oh my god, she looks amazing because
she then was in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
on Disney Plus made Disney Plus Rest in Peace, and
she looked like she could have been thirty three in that,
and that came out in twenty twenty three. Oh my god.
(53:05):
She was saying fifty five and the Falcon and the
Winter's Soldier, No, forty.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Five, Okay, she was seventy five. She looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yes, Detective Dad, I've seen Pariah. Now, why don't you
go sit at a booth by yourself and have your
vanilla yogurt that you brought in your lunch box. I'm
not talking to you about this film. I'm going to
rock out and then kiss a girl.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Oh my gosh. Wait. Okay, yes, Detective Dad, I have
seen the film Pariah. The trivia on IMDb is not good,
so I was looking up. There's a Q and a
with the with the director, and I just want to
let you know that she uses the word environs right
here and environs environs iron Someone elked about the use
(54:04):
of color, and she said the use of color in
Pariah was very deliberate and calculated. Between the DP and I.
My creative direction was that Alik is a chameleon in
both personality and appearance, which she changes to fit her environs. Wow. Okay,
so the lighting is very notable and is like a
notable thing.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, hell yeah, yes, detective Dad, this is the last
thing I'm going to say to you before I rock
out and then kiss a girl. I've seen Pariah. At
the end, she goes to Berkeley, and, as I noted
in my notes, Berkeley more like Workley Sleigh.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yes, yes, she's gonna love it there, work Yes. Wow, Okay,
Well this is going to make me think. H yes,
doctor Dad, I have seen the film Pariah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Detective you keep changing his profession.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Doctor dadd Yes, Detective Dad, I have seen I have
seen the film. Uh Pariah. The director de Reese said
that every character in the film is a Pariah. She
worked hard in writing it to illustrate that.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Ooh, by illustrating so interesting. I know, I see it
for sure with Laura, with Alik, with the mom. Yeah,
kind of the dad.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
I guess the dad.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
It's sort of like having the affair that then gets
him like ostracized from the family a little bit.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, well he but he he's a man with a
gay daughter. Oh, I guess that's kind of what it is.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
So then yes, I'm later afraid in his community. Yeah
like that And dang, they.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
All have their own fears.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, that's very true. Yeah, you really see the mom
operating from a place of fear throughout the movie. Oh well, Sianna,
let's move on to our segment should you watch this
or where we tell you listeners if we think you
should watch this movie or if you should do something
else with your time. I'm gonna say yes, yes, yes,
(56:30):
give Pariah a watch. I really liked it. It was
really good. Now what I will say, I'm sorry I
did interrupt. Oh is if you are queer and you
don't feel like watching a story that involves a lot
of queer trauma, fair enough, and you could instead watch Insecure.
Because I would really bet that Pariah was influential in
terms of like lighting for Black actors in advance of Insecure. Yeah,
(56:55):
my god, the intense lawyer who lives across from you
is still in the office. It's six pm on Front
on Halloween. Brother, go home.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
I'm gonna say the same dang thing. I would say,
you can definitely watch this. I would. I would watch this.
I very much recommend it. And yeah, it really does
end hopeful. So it's a dramatic film that's about queer trauma,
as you said, but like it's it's it's hopeful and
nice and the characters are like three dimensional and yeah,
(57:26):
it's it's really good.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, And uh, if you don't feel like watching that
right now, particularly if you have trauma of your own,
then the then uh, I thought maybe they ate something
good that they could eat in this, but they really don't.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
He has spaghetti and a beer on a Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, And if you don't want to do that, then
go dancing with your friends.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
Oh they had brownies.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
Oh, then eat a brownie. Yes, then eat a brownie,
eat a delicious brownie. Me. And but I would, I
would watch it.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
I thought it was really good.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
I thought it was a really good movie.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
Yay.
Speaker 6 (58:06):
Leanna.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
What would you rate Pariah?
Speaker 2 (58:09):
I would give Pariah four lunch Meets out of five.
I thought the acting was really good. I thought the
lighting was so good. I thought the storytelling was so good.
I thought, just it it again. It was made with
love and that really showed and just like a tenderness
and a caring that I really appreciated. And why am
I not giving it five? I guess because it's it
(58:32):
is just hard to watch stories about trauma, and for me,
like a five is something where it's like I could
put this on at any time. Yeah, I love watching
this at any time. And this one, I think you
do need to kind of steal yourself a little bit, right, Seanna,
what would you say?
Speaker 1 (58:47):
I will give this film. I'm sorry because of what
you just said, but I'm gonna give this film five
Morning Spaghetti's out of five. I think I was really
in the mood to watch something dramatic when I watched it,
and I just thought it was so good.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
It really it really And it's not like, you know,
the queer community is not facing trauma today, Like it's
not like, oh, we don't need stories like this because
that's it doesn't exist. Anymore. Som hmm, absolutely something still
in need of confronting. I'm sorry I interrupted you again.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Oh no, I just I just really liked all the characters,
even the ones that were like horrible. I liked to
that I got to watch them in different contexts. And yeah,
I thought it was really good. Every scene was so careful.
I know, like you said, it was made with love. Yeah,
great job. This is one of my favorite movies that
we've watched.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, it just like maybe also because I thought it
was going to be like an artsy horror for some reason,
just because the name Karah.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
It sounds so man and our our season, our month
of horror films.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, so I was just like, oh, it's about cute
girl putting on a strap on trying to figure things out.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah. Anyway, all right, Well, thank you everybody so much
that has been Toss Popcorn's review of Pariah. You can
follow us on Instagram at toss Popcorn, where we will
post a poster of the film, some memes from the film,
and of course the illustrious three dimensional winking ghost emoji
that populated itself in my phone notes this week. And
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The podcast where two idiots that's us watched every film
on the AFI's one hundred Greatest American Movies of All Time,
the Very Slightly Less Racist tenth Anniversary Edition.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And are now watching films directed by women. Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
This podcast is a safe lesbian for people who don't
know anything about movies. This podcast is a lesbian, safe
lesbian lesbian podcast is lesbian. Today. We're watching Pariah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Really compliments your figure? You know, maybe we can go shop.
And I saw one just like it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The name warning. There will be spoilers about this young
old films. Contact warning homophobia, uh slurs, hate.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Speech, hate, hate speech, hate crime.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah yeah yeah, Sanda, did you know anything about this movie?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I knew nothing, Okay, I knew truly nothing. My my,
my prediction doesn't give very much information. But do we
listen to it now?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, yeah, hey, you doing okay?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah? I forget sometimes you came among every like twelve podcasts.
I forget how we.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah yeah yeah. The brain resets Factory settings.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah exactly. Let's listen to my prediction, okay, of Parah.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hi, Leanna, this is Sienna. I'm about to watch Pariah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's hard for me to fathom it not being a
horror movie when we've been watching spooky movies.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But hmmm, well, but I don't know, you know, in
some ways, some ways, I.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Really don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Maybe it's about a woman who's like cast out of
her workplace, or is like.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Some either something you need to be cast out of
my workplace or where.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
People turn on her, or something we experienced otively that happens.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Gosh, we'll just have to find out.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I hope, but it's either going to be scary or interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Mmmm.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's what movies are, okay, I love you.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Goodbye movies famously either scary or interesting. I also, I
had to worry that it was going to be very
much a story about black trauma, but then it was
about queer trauma. Yes, okay, Sianna. Here is my prediction
for Pariah. Hi, Sienna, it's Leanna. I'm about to watch Pariah.
(03:11):
I've never seen this before, I've heard about it. I
think it's how I learned the word pariah. Okay, and
when looking up where to watch it, I saw that
it is gay, so I predict it's probably gonna be
some lesbian suffering. Yeah, yeah, it's like nice. I hope
it's a nice experience.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I love you by.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Kind of kind of yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, Leanna, before we got on this call, you said
you couldn't share your phone notes with me yet. Do
you want to tell me that now?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I'll go ahead and share them with you and
we'll just see, we'll just see, Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I wonder if they're going to be in the shape
of something or Okay, But before even opening this, there's
a thumbnail when Leona sent it, and there's a huge
winking ghost emoji. By the way, there's a large, very large,
(04:18):
looming large ghost bit memoji memoj G three D big
arms out displayed winking ghost and Happy Halloween, Leanna. We
are we are in fact recording this on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't know how that got there, and I knew
it was going to show up in the preview, and
I said, now give me a second to explain.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
You don't know how it got here.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, something's been happening recently where my keyboard will send
one emoji so big.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And I was just trying to type my phone notes
and then it pucked this enormous winking ghost a bullet point.
It is still a bullet point. And one note I'd
like to add is.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Ah, I it feels right to me that you would
be haunted by a big, winking ghost that you turn
and go, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
If weber listener, we'll put a screenshot of it with
the poster that we post for Instagram this week to
show you what we're talking about, Oh my god. But
before we actually dive into our haunted phone notes. Oh syrah,
Hey girl, all right, I feel like you're having a
(05:59):
big week, right, Yeah, very busy.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I am so that job I worked on the last yeah,
and I guess so I worked. I worked a couple of.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Did you have no sparatu?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Was no?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Was a couple of weeks ago? Oh oh, and uh,
but I did work at a little festival this week,
and then I've been working on I had to I
had to shape pasta in the shape of a man's
name for a shoot, and that took some time.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You had to shake pasta in the shape of a
man's shape. Okay, so you didn't have to like shape
shake it out of the box and just hope it
landed saying no mark on the floor.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Very interesting. No, I don't think I I don't and
I know that this is I know that this is obvious,
but I don't think anyone would ever have to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I don't know. I don't know your life. You're uncooked
who it's fallen out?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh, cooked, doesn't matter. I don't know having I don't
know if I'm having a big week. I guess kind
of what kind of pasta I made angel hair so
it would stick together better? Yeah, sticky angel hair, and
it had to say angel hair. I know. I feel
like I feel like angel hair was a huge part
of my life. This child, I thought about it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's not coming up these days, not coming up.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I don't know if he's an adult. You can eat
that much angel hair, you can get away.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
With it, oh, because because it would just fill you
right out.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But yeah, anyway, everybody follow bear paint on Instagram, like
all the puppet things so that they hire me again. Yeah, yes, yes,
they're very cute. Leonna Hey, hey girl, Hey girl. I am.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I don't know how I feel, but I am announcing
that I have officially joined a pilates studio once again.
So it is over for you hoes.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Actually, oh my god, I feel like you'd be amazing
at pilates.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I am. I there's a new studio opening in my neighborhood.
I joined to get the like discounted membership of being
a quote unquote founding member.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I went to my trial class this morning and I
was the only person. No way, no, that can't be.
What time of the morning, eight o'clock in the morning.
I had a forty five minute one on one reformer
pilates session.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That is insane.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I can't stand up. It's been taking ten plus seconds
to get out of any seated position.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Today.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I live in great fear of tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You couldn't. You couldn't. You couldn't rest if you tried. No, no,
the world, there was no one hide behind.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
No I know.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Do you think this is gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So? I hope not. I in a dream world. It's
it's somewhere in between. So was it because it was
and full? I think it's because they opened yesterday? Oh right, right, right, right, right, okay, yeah, yes, so,
and a fair number of people had canceled because Thursday
is the new Friday, it's hallowekends. Yeah, everybody's hung over.
(09:42):
I saw the drunkest Austin Powers I've ever seen yesterday
on the Tube. Oh he is not having a good
day today. I would bet money.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Oh because of Halloween. I don't know why that. I
was like, how did you see Austin Powers?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
No? I saw the confusion in your face and I
decided not to explain. I said, no, she'll get there.
She will get there. I'm not doing anything about this.
She'll get there.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I got there, and I got there.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So are you in any Halloween events? Yes? I have
a corporate gig tonight and then after that I'll be
going to a Halloween party. So I need to strike
the balance. I'm gonna have to be very brave. It's
a gig where I go on at like nine fifteen,
and then I have to go from there to a party.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, you are gonna have to be very brave.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So I'll be arriving at like ten, I'll be starting
the partying at ten o'clock. You can do it, which
is very brave.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And you know what, speaking of very brave.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes, actually that's funny.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
That's speaking of actually brave, not just going to a
Halloween party. Sienna, could you please give us a synopsis
of the film Pariah. Yes, Pariah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
A Leak is gay and a conservative household with parents
who sweet problems under the rug. She's trying to find
her beautiful, sensitive, butch self while living in a household
with in denial bigoted parents, living in a time and
community with that is super weird too.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And about gay women and.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Living in a life stage where it's hard to find
a genuine.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Relationship like she would like to have with a girl.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
She is doing her best. She is so brave.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
The end, she really is balancing. She's balancing so many things.
And it ends with her being like, I can't be here.
I need to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I'm chusing myself and I gotta go be somewhere where
I can be myself.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
The Bay Area, the Bay Area. And I said, yeah,
good call, action, Yeah, very good choice. Oh my god. Yes, Okay, Sienna,
let's let's move on to our haunted phone those do
it where we read the notes the other person took
on their phone while watching the film up top, What
what did you think of this movie?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I really liked it. Yeah, yeah, I had a there
were times where I was like, Okay, this is it's
just so genuine, and there are times where it was
really cute. And the sad things that happened. I mean
that the really most tragic thing is like her mom
is just not capable of her mom has so many
(12:34):
of her own issues, and she's not capable of like
loving her daughter for herself or just like right now
just fully accepting. It's it's very very sad, but uh,
and it's really disappointing the like relationship she has for
a second and then finds out it's like not the
same for her, for it doesn't mean the same for
(12:57):
this girl, and it's it's really it's very devast but
it's also like, I don't know, she she just learns
to she learns to be with herself and like learns
that there's more out there. And I just I thought
it was I really I really enjoyed it. Yeah, yeah,
I liked it a lot too. I thought it was
(13:18):
very I loved that it was an hour and twenty
six months. I know, it was perfect.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It was about at the length of the film should be,
and there was just so much you could feel that,
there was so much love behind it. Yeah, for the characters.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, it just all felt so genuine.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
None of it felt like trauma poorn.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
That's what I was gonna say, Like tough stuff happened
to her, but it just felt like a coming of
age experience, like of like this is a really hard time. Yeah,
but yeah, it wasn't just like like I was really
afraid something bad was gonna happen to like the club.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I was afraid there was gonna be like a looming
danger because it's like I don't know what's going to
happen in this And it wasn't like that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No. Yeah, it was all smaller scale, everyday, very human,
real life. Yeah drama.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yes, yeah, I hadn't heard I hadn't heard much about it,
but because I'd even heard the name, I guess I
thought it would be kind of like more artsy, and
I don't know, it was just like a very kind
of sweet movie. Just a cute movie about a girl.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, a.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Cute movie about a girl.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah. I thought it was so good. I really enjoyed it. Alia,
you said, beads on a bikini is so fun.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I've never thought about this as a possibility, but at
the club, one of the dancers her bikini has like
beads on it, so when she's upside down, there's beads
that are long and dangling. And I said, ah, yes,
I love that. I love that. I love seeing something
(15:11):
I haven't seen before and being like that, we can
do that. That's great, Okay, Sienna, you asked, yes, okay,
you asked, damn, how would you feel if a teacher
talked to you that directly.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And you said, you said, not your best? Horrific, horrific.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Never say that to me. I never want to hear that.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
When I was in high school, if a teacher had
talked to me that directly. And this is probably why
I didn't do well in college is that I didn't
really I wanted to play the game of school, but
I didn't have it in me to be like, oh,
I really just want to get better at this craft.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
No, no, no, no, noan I want to prove yes,
yes exactly, not to hone.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
No hoane, not hone.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, I'm not honing the teacher.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
She has a school teacher who's eating celery and being.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Very classic understanding English teacher who the gay kid eats
lunch with.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yep, she goes, yeah, these you know you're these these
poems are fine. They're not your best. It's writing's not great.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Oh and I've had that feedback as an adult human person,
and it's it makes me want to throw up. Yeah,
it's the worst possible feedback you can get. Oh, it's
so bad. I don't think you should be allowed to
say that to a child. But then I guess maybe
(16:39):
that's good. Oh that would devastate me. That would really
take me out.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I know she's so strong, Leona, you said, yeah, I
thought about you when this was said. She said, but
she's a junior. She's not gonna have any memories, mama,
she won't have any memories anyway. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Her mom's like, you're not gonna go to the dance,
but you need to make you How are you gonna
have memories of school? And I was like, what what
do you mean memories of school?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I don't know anybody who's like, I'm so glad I
went to my school dance because of the memories I have.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, any memory I have from a school dance is
very unhappy. To be honest, I'm not saying I was
deeply unhappy at every second of every dance, but those
are the only ones I remember. I remember feeling very awkward,
not knowing how I'm supposed to dance at a school dance, how.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Much we're dancing mm hmm, or being betrayed. Grind Did
people grind it? Kept in school? Who?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Oh my gosh? Yes, and I they love that, are
you kidding? They feel extra It's extra titilating because you're
not supposed to do it, okay. And I would stand
on the outskirts and go, I'm not getting anywhere near
there by the way any of you want me to
get in the middle of the riding circle, I'm not
going to. And everyone said what we don't?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who are you? And I said, you just you keep
down the mega. Why are you announcing this.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is your mom following you around with the blouse instead
of learning who you are. You have three minutes to
find somewhere else to be. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, this is true. Leanna, you said moms can be
awkward too, yes, And Sianna you wrote okay, so her
mom is weird to everyone.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
That was I thought that was actually very interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I thought so too, that they were like I
actually really liked that me too.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's like, let's be honest, let's see her mom. It's
not like she's absolutely one thriving and somehow, I feel
like you don't often see this when there's like a
movie where it's like traumatically their parents don't support them.
It's like, see her mom. Actually, her mom is unhappy
in her own life and the same things that make
her bigoted towards her daughter make it hard for her
to connect with people. Yeah, she's very judgmental. She's not open.
(19:11):
She like can't accept herself. She's like she's just pretty.
She's like forcing herself to be small minded. Like you
can feel that. She's like I'm not I don't I
don't want to extend my universe. I'm scared of that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It was all going to see other consequences of that,
thinking mm, yeah, that's really true, and just to see
like her mom in her own context and life. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I feel like often in stories like this, you see
the parent just at home, Yeah, being parent where this
it's like she's also at work being colleague. She's at
church being like friend yeah, other mom, yeah flash colleague.
But yeah, I was like, oh my god, that is
so true. Like parents are also just people, yeah, who
(20:04):
are all weird?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah she was so weird. She like was so unfriendly
to this woman who came to sit with her. She's like, yeah,
I'm just eating vanilla yogurt.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh god, just yogurt. Was Oh, I mean that that's
so her. What your next note is? Where's the dildo?
That was so scary? Her homophobic friendless mom is gonna flip?
(20:39):
That scene was so funny.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
They're swinging around the dilldoor. First of all, okay, one thing,
I need to just get out there right now. There
were many cultures represented what that are not my own
that I don't that I there's lots that I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Know, for example twenty eleven. For example twenty eleven, which
was a big one culture of twenty eleven, but like
really like gay club.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
This is like do you wear dildos? Are you wearing
a strap on in your pants? Like all night?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I also don't know, but I do. There was a
term youthed that I have heard of. Was it strapping? Uh?
Huh when when Alika tells, oh, Laura, yeah, like, oh,
can you get me like a strap on? And Laura's like, oh,
(21:47):
and I do think that, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So strapping is when you Yeah, I was like, I
did not know.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That that is a thing. She was so uncomfortable, I know.
So it was really very funny to me that it
was a white peen. I was laughing, Oh, if we
haven't made this very clear, everybody else in the movie
is black.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, except the dildo, except for the everybody else except
for the dildo, except for the character of the dildo,
which is white, which is white and then placed in
the garbage. I loved there's a lot of a metaphor
(22:26):
behind throwing away a white penis. I mean, hello, I
just like, yeah, I really liked this movie. It was
really like she's trying to be so many things. She's
trying to be.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This like stud you know.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
She's like yeah, you know, because she's not only it's
not like she's just figuring out she's gay like she is.
She's like, I'm gay. I know that I'm trying to
figure out like actually where I fit in the gay
community and like what I want. Like Laura is completely
she's like she's more experienced, she's more sort of like
I don't know, she like seems to enjoy the sort
(23:02):
of club culture war where you're kind of like making
out with people wherever, and like Alik is not. She
like kind of wants like a sensitive girlfriend kind of thing,
but she also is she's like mask and she's like,
I don't try to figure out what I am. Like
they were saying this term like ag which is like
I guess means sort of mask, but it was like aggressive,
(23:23):
like and she's like, I'm not that aggressive right now,
but like that is like how I want to express
myself in the queer community, and like yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It was like there were so many things at play
where she's like, she's really just it's such a it's
such a tough age. There are so many things holding
you back and so many questions.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And yeah, yeah. It felt very unflinching in a way
that sounds unflinching is a verb that sounds so like gritty,
like oh, but I just mean it in terms of
like it just felt like it was very honestly portraying
all of the aspects of like this very early stage
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of somebody figuring out their their queer identity and how
they want to be in those spaces, which is very
sweet and also for a film from twenty eleven, like Groundbreaking,
very it's time, crazy, ahead of its time.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Lehanna, you said you said blouse derogatory.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh yeah. Her mom's like, I got you a blouse,
and I was like, oh, of course you did, terrible.
Nobody should be wearing a blouse. I think we as
a society have moved past the need for a blouse.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
When's the last time I got a blouse?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
So I don't think blouses are good for human rights.
I'm sorry, I'll say it the blouses.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Leanna, you said something very true that I all. I
don't think I highlighted, but I wrote you said her
dad's hot. Unfortune Sorry they have a very handsome dad.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Wow, we have you seen him these days? Man? He
looks good.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Really?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
What's he I looked him up very immediately after the.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Meeting and other things. He is.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
He's very hand I think was in Top Gun Maverick,
not a movie I saw, but he was handsome in it.
He's just he's playing a lot of like senator or
high ranking official. Roles.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Sometimes a man is attractive in a way where you go,
that is handsome.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He's a handsome man. That is a handsome man. That
man is handsome.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I hated that he was a cheater. Why do they
always have to cheat? Like, why is that there?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Was he for sure? Was that like officially determined? Because
she screams cheater.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh, because finally expeled and starts lashing out like a
cat at her daughter because she's like, gay, you're gay.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
At the same time she's like, cheater, You're a cheater.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So she's like letting it all out. There's more that
she knows, and she's suppressing it all.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Men, she's just supprised. This woman, she is not well.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I love this movie had so many We got to
see everybody's relationship, Like her relationship with her dad is
actually really good, but he obviously like wants to protect
her in his own way, like he sees the way
that these men talk about the lesbians in the neighborhood. Yeah,
the lesbians in the neighborhood. The neighborhood because twenty eleven
vibes this. This gayer had just opened. So people are
(26:35):
like talking about gay women more because they're like we're
seeing them around and they're like weird there. Yeah, they're
kind of like boys but they're girls, like.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
What do I call them?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And being super weird to them, and her dad's like, well,
that can't be true of my daughter, yeah, because that's
crazy and I don't want that to be true because
I don't want her to be treated this way. And
also that's kind of weird, right, you know, like they're
just not they're limited and they're thinking even though like
their daughter is. By the end, she's like, guys, you
(27:08):
know I'm gay, Like that's her speech. She's like, you know,
look at me, like you know who I am? You
literally know who I am?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, oh I really loved and this is also true, Sianna.
You noted sisters are genuinely so annoying, which very yes.
I loved the sister dynamic when they're negotiating giving back
the makeup in exchange for not telling about the dildo,
but also her relationship with her sister was so sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It's so sweet, oh.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Man, when her sister comes into her room when their
parents are yelling at each other, and then when her
sister is like, you don't I don't care, right, it's
so sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They're just like true, they are true sisters. They just
love each other. It's like there's nothing weird. She's she's
so annoying, Like the time where I was so overstimulated
in like a family way where her sister's like they're
in the car or something, and she's like, I'm not
touching you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm not touching you. I'm touching you. I'm like er
But then she kind later she made me laugh so hard,
the younger sister when she's sitting in the backseat and
the mom is like, oh, meet this person, and she
just rolls down the window, goes hey and rolls it
back up. Whoever that actor was was so good, iconic.
I loved her. She was verbarious. She was just a
(28:29):
really good actor.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But uh yeah, the same way that your sister is
the most annoying person in the world is she's like
this meant.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Like I just.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Like you're just my sister, Like that doesn't I know
exactly who you are. That's the thing too, is like
Alika wasn't she was hiding. She would like change her
outfit when she went to school and stuff because she
didn't want to deal with her mom's vibes and stuff.
But it's not like, you know, she's like, I don't
you know, I don't want to wear the blouse like
I am who I am. I'm not like trying to
(29:01):
hide from you guys that I like even like girls.
It's more than liking girls. It's like this is me,
Like I'm not I'm not this version of a woman
that you're so attached to that you've made your whole
life about performing this like weird idea of traditional Yeah,
and it's like so limiting, like you have so little community.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah anyway, Yeah, I know, I was thinking, like god,
this this must just be so tiring, like as a
way to live, yeah, to have to like hide parts
of yourself at home and then also just like physically
changing your outfit.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I get tired just going fruit shopping for now jeans
it really and putting pants on and on and off,
but having to do that every day because you have
to conceal part of yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh my god, Leanna.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, I also I also was very I also very
much noted this.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You've said she she wants to listen to polka music.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Oh my god, this again, this whole woman is not
well is not okay.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Her mom this whole movie has been like no, no,
She's like suppressing everything. She's like, no, you cannot do this,
you cannot do that. You can like like stop, you
guys are being two. You girls are becoming to humans.
You're becoming yourselves. I don't want to And then they're
fighting a lot, like there's a lot of tension in
the house, and she's like they're in the car after
she was like, you have to hang out with this girl, Bina,
and she's like, you know, no, we're not listening to
(30:32):
whatever stupid music you want to listen to, whatever gay
music you want to listen to.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
You know what, We're listening to my music.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Okay, everybody stopped. We're listening to my good Christian womanly music.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And she turns on the music for once.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
And she turns on the music.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And it's polka music, like do do? It was like, Oh,
what was happening in the twenty eleven Christian black mom's world?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Was there a polka renaissance? I have no idea commune
going on. But again I think importantly she had almost
no community at all, because no, she was she was isolated,
a friendless homophobe. She was touchstar and I.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Guess when that's the way. The only that's the only
self expression we've seen for the entire movie from her
mom is that she.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Listens to polka music. It does track that like her
inner soundtrack is polka. Given everything that she's like holding in, girl,
that's why you need to let out your emotions, because
otherwise your inner soundtrack really become polka. H It was
so tough when Bina was like, oh, this was not
that serious, by the way, I thought that was about
something else. I thought she'd seen a text from Laura
(31:49):
or something and was like, are you seeing this other girl?
But then she just was like being really cold and
being like, oh no, it's not that deep.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That sucks. It just sucks too because it's not like
it's not like she's just like, oh, oh sorry, honey,
like I don't want I don't want to date you,
but like this was special. She just like woke up
so cold.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So sad one, and why did you have to be
so mean? It was so mean. It was very heartless.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It was hard left.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Crying and Alia didn't do anything, Olik.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It was even like we don't have to do anything.
We don't have to label anything. We don't even have
to like whatever, but like, don't pretend this wasn't special,
Like this was we had like a special night right.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And she's like no, also like it was Bena initiating
it the whole time and being like, oh, Okay, we
don't have to if you don't want to. Yeah, then
they did, and then uh, yeah, I really understood a
Leek's crash out when she got home and ripped everything
off of her wall.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Oh she's just so confused, I know. She's like I
finally found somebody who's like on a similar vibe of me,
who doesn't want to just like be hooking up at
the club, Like I want to do something a little
bit more real and like I want to take things slow.
And I got excited and then like I had fight
with my friend and I'm trying where I am and
like my mom is like literally has so many problems,
(33:14):
Like she actually is really messed up.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
She has one of the all time worst days where
she wakes up by getting like her heart broken by
this woman she thought that by this girl she thought
she was maybe seeing dating, and then she ends the
day by getting beaten. Oh my god, her mama the
same day. That was all the same day.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Wow, and she ends up leaving and not going back home.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I know, I know. That was a really interesting parallel
to Laura's narrative. Yeah, like when we meet Laura's mom, Oh.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
My god, my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
There was a lot in this that was so like
it's just so hard, was like queer trauma.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, where it is like.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
But again, it didn't feel indulgent. It just felt like, yeah,
this is what happens or has happened in like some
communities and to some people. But oh also the fact
that Laura has like both moms in the film slammed
the door in her face. Oh, she's very like a
(34:23):
very strong person. What the hell? What she didn't do anything? Yeah,
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
She's actually a really good person and a great friend friend. Yes,
community member generally, she's such a good friend. Oh my god.
So there's there's like a three fourths of the way
through the movie that's about when I was like, if
they're gonna do something really bad, like dangerous on another level,
like something bad happened to the club, which I kind
(34:59):
of thought might happen to be because her dad said
the thing because Elik's dad was like, don't hang out
around that area. He was mentioning the cops, and I
was just like, is something gonna happen there? And that
guy was so bigoted to the person who was like
in yeah anyway, So I was like, I hope something
creepy or like something really bad doesn't happen to the club.
And around the time of the movie where something like
(35:20):
that would happen in another movie is exactly when instead
Laura is like, Hey, I'm sorry that I was being
so mad at you before, and it's okay, and it's
okay that you were taking time to like find yourself
and that you were taking time to like with this girl,
and I see that she makes you happy, and I'm
happy for you, and I may be a little in
love with you on some level and like that, Like
(35:43):
I just I was really struck by the fact that
this is the moment of the movie where something would
happen that's crazy another time, and it's just like her
actually just being a really thoughtful, good, merciful, forgiving friend.
She's like, we're both going through stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I love when women make things I know.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Anyway, Leon I'm gonna read some of your last notes here.
You've said, don't be homophobic, you are gay.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
That's when Bina first kisses her. Yeah, and she like,
she freaks out and leaves right. Yeah, yea. I was like, Mama,
don't be homophobic, you are gay. Remember, but also I
understand Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, she homophobically pulled away from this, very homophobically ran away.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
She freaked out in a really homophobic way.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
And then soon after this, Leanna, you said, Mama, the
internalized homophobia is internalized homophobia.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Aying, oh that was at Bina. When Bina was like,
I'm I'm not gay gay.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, that would be weird.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I'm not said Okay, ten years and ten years you'll
have a better understanding of it, Yeah, and you will realize,
yes you are.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Leanna, you said, frownie face, frownie face, frownie face.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Oh, very big frowns. I think that was the confrontation
scene with her parents.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I think I did the exact type of frownie face
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yes you did. Yeah, that was a really hard I
mean they all did a really like the actors did
such a good job because oh my god, it was
so hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, it was really said, it's so genuine. It's so
like they're like her mom is like, you know what,
you are disgusting, and her dad's like, you're not though,
come on, let's be honest, you're not right, You're not gay.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Just say it's a phase.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Because they're like, we can't deal with what we have
to deal with after this, Like we can barely deal
with our own marriage. Yeah, we don't know how to
handle this part of you being yourself, So please just
don't be yourself to us. Oh, Leanna, you said, yeah,
best to ben that blouse, best to ben the blouse,
best to bel m, best.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
To be in the blouse. When the mom throws away
the meals that she cooked for her husband, she also
throws away the blouse. And I said, yeah, yeah, I
mean nobody wants that no blouse. That blouse sucks.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
And then your final note is a bit of applause,
A bit of applause.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I just thought it merited a bit of applause.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I really liked the ending was so sweet. Her final
piece of writing, oh where she said, I'm not broken,
i am free, I'm not running all.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Just really good, really good movies, successful film successful film,
This film film, they hit it out of the park
in a successful way. Well, and now she gets to
go be gay in Berkeley, and god, I really do
think it's just nice that it ends on like a
really hopeful note too.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
It really does, it really does. It's like she's gonna
find it. Like she still has a relationship with her dad.
She's like, I'm I've outgrown you, guys. Yeah, and her
sister new slaves maybe her mom, Like I even felt
hope that like her mom will her mom has to
be the one to come around, right, and she's already
it's already shaken her right right anyway, Oh.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Did you just find out that your mom's favorite genre
of music is polka? Take these next few minutes to
really reconcile that information.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Well, Leona, shouldn't move on to our next segments, Yes,
our next segments, and of course badges and trages where
we give badges for blouses in the trash, oh, and
trages for.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Uh taking out your own issues on your daughter.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yes, absolutely, Oh.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
My first badge is okay, a badge for the opening song,
which was of course my neck, my back, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
To finish that phrase, would be inappropriate. But I said, oh, okay,
all right, my back, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I have a badge for.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
That.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
She's proud of her writing. I liked that. I like
that character trait. Yeah, she's not like hiding from everything.
You know, I love to write and it's really good.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
What do you think? Yeah, and her beautiful smile after
she presents her writing. A badge for the lighting. I
thought the lighting was so good, especially in the club
scenes where it's like all blue or all pink or
all red. Very good lightning. There's also been a lot
of talk, I think, particularly when Insecure came out, there
(41:04):
was a lot of talk about lighting, specifically black actors,
and how it's really not been done well a lot previously. Yeah,
but I thought in this movie it was very good.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I was thinking about that because I was like, I
wonder if Insecure, if this movie was notable in that way,
because it did. Some of it did remind me of
Insecure lighting, mainly like this certain type of pink light,
which honestly just like looks beautiful when it's a whole
cast of black actors.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Like, yeah, but I I I don't know if that's
just like a common one to use or if this
was like inspiring in that way, because I found that
the lighting really notable throughout the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Also, m yeah, it was really good. I have a
badge for caring friends. There are just so many little
moments of like Laura's like, Okay, I'm gonna ride with you.
I'm gonna ride all the way back with you, and yeah,
ali Ka is like no don't. She's like what, like,
I don't, I don't. I want you to be safe,
(42:07):
and then uh yeah, just all throughout the real friends
are like forgiving and caring when they need to be there.
And yeah, I just yeah, very genuine a badge for,
as we've discussed previously, a non pervy angle when a
girl is changing her clothes on camera when they filmed that.
(42:32):
The bust one is the first one, but I thought
about it, particularly the scene where she's changing in the
school bathroom and you kind of see it through like
the crack in the door. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Again, just a very non pervy, very a very utilitary
and non pervy angle.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, totally speaking of that, I have a badge for
their little like intimacy scene this movie just it really
really got me.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
I was so bought in the whole time.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Like by that, I was like, I understand what this
means for her. Yeah, and it also doesn't matter that
we know, like the I don't know like how much
they hooked up or what they wanted to you know, like, yeah,
it wasn't really just trying to. I don't know. It
was just like very thoughtful and cute and beautiful and meaningful.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah. Yeah, badge for I love twinkle lights. Dina has
some really fun twinkle lights in her room. I love dude.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I have a badge for sisters. Uh, her sister. I
loved this actor. And also they were just so they
had such a they had such a good relationship, like
she's just one of the people she can count on,
you know.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah. Yeah. My final badge is a badge for when
Alike says, Oh, tell mom, she was right. God doesn't
make mistakes. Ah, I'm beautiful. It's make because God makes
no mistakes. I'm on the.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Way.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
That's some come out after this film. Oh my god.
It came out in twenty eleven. It came out the
same year.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Wow, see the same year as which One.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Born this Day. It came out the same year as Pariah.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
It, it's all it's all making sense, it's all clicking.
My final badge is just wow, that movie was really good.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I loved the characters. I loved the moments they chose
to highlight it just I was so locked in and
it was it was just such a thoughtful, beautiful movie
I learned. I loved how much I learned about every character,
and that like we spent time with the mom instead
of just making her a symbol of like, yeah, everyone
was very fleshed out.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
It was so good. Yeah. Trages, Yeah, trag is. My
first trage is sigh, which is the scene where her
mom is like, oh I could take your shopping, like
we could get stuff that really flat is compliment like
compliments your figure, which was just so like you feel
also for the mom trying to connect with her daughter. Yeah,
(45:17):
but mainly that the daughter like can't tell her mom
like that's not what I want. I want to be
who I am, which is this right.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, And the whole time she's frustrated is because she's like,
you know, I don't want to do that. Yeah, you know,
I don't want to do that, and you don't want
to get to know me. Yeah, yeah, tradge for that
what that man says to her, what that man says
to that man to that woman in the drug store.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, and that the dad, her dad just like stands by.
Yeah later as well.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, later, the other guys in the you know, they're like,
you're stupid and she told you off. There's just a
guy who just like says very hateful cross things to
us to this lesbian, presumably lesbian woman.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Who wants him later confirmed later confirmed lesbian presumably.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
And then confirmed lesbian. He walks in and Yeah, the
guys just kind of like stand there and then they're
like laughing, and I don't know, Yeah, they're not on
his side, but they don't do anything, which is I
think exactly what the dad's vibe is.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah. Yeah, a trage for why is every public school
the ugliest place in the world, which really is a
trage for education funding in the United States. Her high
school looked a lot like my high school, which is
to say, ugly, ugly.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I have a trage for yep, just Laura's mom's Oh,
Laura's mom's issues. I have a trage for that mom's
issues because she had him.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
A trage for he's a cop yeah, her dad's a cop.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, no trage for him being a cheater. Why is
that so depressing? And why is that always have to happen.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I don't know what I want.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's just like, for some reason, how did he find
the time? He was always working at night quote unquote
I know, and then may.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Supposed to be working at night. Bitch. A trage for
the concept of lunch meat. At one point, Laura has
let somebody stay on her couch and she's like, there's
some lunch meat in the fridge and I said.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
You.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Lunch meat, lunch meat. Lunch meat is to me gross,
She's such a caring person. Lunch meat.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
My final trage is okay, I wrote both the amount
of that they refer to being gay as a slur
or they'd use like the d slur and then calling
yourself a slur. There was just like a few I
think that they were like, I think it's it's probably
(48:11):
an accurate thing that happens. But like even when she
was coming out to her parents officially, yeah, she calls okay,
my phone just did a thumbs down when I did that,
which I don't like. When she was coming out to
her parents officially, she does. She says like, I'm a lesbian,
(48:31):
I'm the d slur, and.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
There's something about that where I'm like, I can feel
you internalizing how you're supposed to talk about yourself, which
is like I understand that it's numerous so that she's
like saying, I'm exactly your worst fear, right, but there's
an amount of just like aggression towards just like her
existence that I'm like, I can feel you internalizing it.
And there's obviously a reclaiming that's, you know, and or
(49:01):
reclaiming of terms or whatever, but it wasn't that it
was never really used very like affectionately in this because
it was mostly being used by other people being aggressive.
But yeah, I was just like watching her internalize that
she's supposed to talk about herself in like a crass
way of like you hate me, you hate me, this
(49:22):
is what I am. And I'm yeah, looking forward to
when she gets to grow through that. It's like I
basically I watched so many people say that at her
and then her say it about herself, and I was
just like, get out of there, get out of there, mom. Yeah, anyway,
I know, it's like incredibly nuanced, but it was just
making me reflect.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
My last trage is a trage for Christians. Get to
fuck with your hypocrisy, because just in so many Christian
communities they preach like, oh, love and acceptance for the
you have to treat each other with love in the
name of the Lord, and then they pull shit like this,
(50:03):
and it's like, what what are you talking about? You
need to go back to the text. You need to
revisit the text, the initial text, the text, because none
of this was in the text. So my friend Siana
knows she studied the text. As we know.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
I've read the Bible many times.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I know it's about the text comes up.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I always say, I reveal that I haven't actually read it, but.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
I haven't read it through.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
But when I skimmed it, Jesus is gay. Well shall
we move on to our next est, which is how
to pretend you've seen this film? This is for you
are at an indie music show, seeing some cool tweet
indie music or some twenty eleven era, some emo question
(50:56):
Mark music, and.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Wow, there's a fumective Detective Dad.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Detective Dad comes up to you. That's his name, Detective Dad.
He's young, but that's his name. Detective Dad comes up
to you and he says, boy, this, uh, this music
is great. I can't wait to explain some of this
music to you later. But uh, you look kind of
like you look kind of like you're maybe somebody standing
(51:22):
on standing on the outskirts of society. You remind me
of what's the word, oh A Pariah. Yeah, yeah, I
heard about that movie. I heard about it because I
think it won uh maybe some awards, which I don't know.
Sounds like sort of a chick flick to me. But
I'll tell you the things that I think it's about,
and I'm gonna tell you for a long time.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
And in order to pray Detective Dad away, we're gonna
give you a few sentences you can say to pretend
you've seen the film Paria.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I pray you away.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Praying you away. Ugh, yes, Detective Dad, I've seen Pariah.
And you know you've been approaching me at various events
and venues numerous times now, with various topics in mind
for discussion or monologuing. And I've got to tell you
this one was not your best. And then he's devastated
(52:19):
and retreats into a corner with his composition book.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
No, oh, yes, the professor. No, yes, Detective Dad, I
have seen the film Pariah. At Apero Aduye. Who's the
main actress in this? Was thirty three? Whoa in this
movie when she portrayed seventeen year old a leak A?
Speaker 2 (52:41):
No way? Yes, Oh my god, she looks amazing because
she then was in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
on Disney Plus made Disney Plus Rest in Peace, and
she looked like she could have been thirty three in that,
and that came out in twenty twenty three. Oh my god.
(53:05):
She was saying fifty five and the Falcon and the
Winter's Soldier, No, forty.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Five, Okay, she was seventy five. She looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yes, Detective Dad, I've seen Pariah. Now, why don't you
go sit at a booth by yourself and have your
vanilla yogurt that you brought in your lunch box. I'm
not talking to you about this film. I'm going to
rock out and then kiss a girl.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Oh my gosh. Wait. Okay, yes, Detective Dad, I have
seen the film Pariah. The trivia on IMDb is not good,
so I was looking up. There's a Q and a
with the with the director, and I just want to
let you know that she uses the word environs right
here and environs environs iron Someone elked about the use
(54:04):
of color, and she said the use of color in
Pariah was very deliberate and calculated. Between the DP and I.
My creative direction was that Alik is a chameleon in
both personality and appearance, which she changes to fit her environs. Wow. Okay,
so the lighting is very notable and is like a
notable thing.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, hell yeah, yes, detective Dad, this is the last
thing I'm going to say to you before I rock
out and then kiss a girl. I've seen Pariah. At
the end, she goes to Berkeley, and, as I noted
in my notes, Berkeley more like Workley Sleigh.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yes, yes, she's gonna love it there, work Yes. Wow, Okay,
Well this is going to make me think. H yes,
doctor Dad, I have seen the film Pariah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Detective you keep changing his profession.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Doctor dadd Yes, Detective Dad, I have seen I have
seen the film. Uh Pariah. The director de Reese said
that every character in the film is a Pariah. She
worked hard in writing it to illustrate that.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Ooh, by illustrating so interesting. I know, I see it
for sure with Laura, with Alik, with the mom. Yeah,
kind of the dad.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
I guess the dad.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
It's sort of like having the affair that then gets
him like ostracized from the family a little bit.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, well he but he he's a man with a
gay daughter. Oh, I guess that's kind of what it is.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
So then yes, I'm later afraid in his community. Yeah
like that And dang, they.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
All have their own fears.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, that's very true. Yeah, you really see the mom
operating from a place of fear throughout the movie. Oh well, Sianna,
let's move on to our segment should you watch this
or where we tell you listeners if we think you
should watch this movie or if you should do something
else with your time. I'm gonna say yes, yes, yes,
(56:30):
give Pariah a watch. I really liked it. It was
really good. Now what I will say, I'm sorry I
did interrupt. Oh is if you are queer and you
don't feel like watching a story that involves a lot
of queer trauma, fair enough, and you could instead watch Insecure.
Because I would really bet that Pariah was influential in
terms of like lighting for Black actors in advance of Insecure. Yeah,
(56:55):
my god, the intense lawyer who lives across from you
is still in the office. It's six pm on Front
on Halloween. Brother, go home.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
I'm gonna say the same dang thing. I would say,
you can definitely watch this. I would. I would watch this.
I very much recommend it. And yeah, it really does
end hopeful. So it's a dramatic film that's about queer trauma,
as you said, but like it's it's it's hopeful and
nice and the characters are like three dimensional and yeah,
(57:26):
it's it's really good.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, And uh, if you don't feel like watching that
right now, particularly if you have trauma of your own,
then the then uh, I thought maybe they ate something
good that they could eat in this, but they really don't.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
He has spaghetti and a beer on a Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, And if you don't want to do that, then
go dancing with your friends.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
Oh they had brownies.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
Oh, then eat a brownie. Yes, then eat a brownie,
eat a delicious brownie. Me. And but I would, I
would watch it.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
I thought it was really good.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
I thought it was a really good movie.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
Yay.
Speaker 6 (58:06):
Leanna.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
What would you rate Pariah?
Speaker 2 (58:09):
I would give Pariah four lunch Meets out of five.
I thought the acting was really good. I thought the
lighting was so good. I thought the storytelling was so good.
I thought, just it it again. It was made with
love and that really showed and just like a tenderness
and a caring that I really appreciated. And why am
I not giving it five? I guess because it's it
(58:32):
is just hard to watch stories about trauma, and for me,
like a five is something where it's like I could
put this on at any time. Yeah, I love watching
this at any time. And this one, I think you
do need to kind of steal yourself a little bit, right, Seanna,
what would you say?
Speaker 1 (58:47):
I will give this film. I'm sorry because of what
you just said, but I'm gonna give this film five
Morning Spaghetti's out of five. I think I was really
in the mood to watch something dramatic when I watched it,
and I just thought it was so good.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
It really it really And it's not like, you know,
the queer community is not facing trauma today, Like it's
not like, oh, we don't need stories like this because
that's it doesn't exist. Anymore. Som hmm, absolutely something still
in need of confronting. I'm sorry I interrupted you again.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Oh no, I just I just really liked all the characters,
even the ones that were like horrible. I liked to
that I got to watch them in different contexts. And yeah,
I thought it was really good. Every scene was so careful.
I know, like you said, it was made with love. Yeah,
great job. This is one of my favorite movies that
we've watched.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, it just like maybe also because I thought it
was going to be like an artsy horror for some reason,
just because the name Karah.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
It sounds so man and our our season, our month
of horror films.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, so I was just like, oh, it's about cute
girl putting on a strap on trying to figure things out.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah. Anyway, all right, Well, thank you everybody so much
that has been Toss Popcorn's review of Pariah. You can
follow us on Instagram at toss Popcorn, where we will
post a poster of the film, some memes from the film,
and of course the illustrious three dimensional winking ghost emoji
that populated itself in my phone notes this week. And
(01:00:18):
you can find us at patreon dot com slash toss
Popcorn for bonus monthly video episodes because yeah, podcasts are
videos now and join us next week when we will
be watching.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
You've Got Mail Wow, very different movie.
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Very full fall. Thank you, We love you byye.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
You can find us on Instagram as at Sienna Jaco
and at Leona Holsten. Please check the description for the
spelling of our dumb names. We put out episodes every Tuesday,
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an episode. See you next week on tossed Popcorn. For
more podcasts from my heart Radio, check the iHeartRadio app.
Is your husband no longer eating the food that you're
(01:01:12):
leaving out, I'll eat it. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yum, dinner, dinner. Thank you for my dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Good dinner.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I love dinner.
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