October 7, 2025 • 55 mins
Meeeeerricaaaaat. Dig up this episode for spooky sisters, creepy cousins, and unhinged uncles. The person most confused by the film this week was: the contrite townsfolk.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Toss Popcorn is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, I'm Sianna
Jacob and I'm Leanna Holsten, and Welcome to Toss Popcorn.
The podcasts where two idiots watched every film on thefi's
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one hundred Greatest American Movies of All Time very slightly
less Raci's tenth anniversary edition, and are now watching films
directed by women, particularly right now, spoooopy films directed by
spooky women.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
The film's gotta be spooky, and so does the director.
It can't be one of the two. It's gotta be both.
This podcast is a safe safe for people who don't
know anything about movies.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Today.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We're watching We have always lived in the Castle.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Father said everything that mattered was in America.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Warning there will be spoilers about this.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Weird recent film relatively recent. Yes, yes, yes, well we
can talk about it. Yeah, but we can't talk about
it yet. No.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But did you know anything about the movie?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
No? I did not know anything about it, but I
watched it with Kelsey who has read the book.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh, I knew it was going to be based off
of something. Well, let's do my prediction first. Okay, in
that case, good boarding, good boarding, I'm about to watch
we have always lived in the castle. I'm pretty sure
Sebastian Stam is.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
In the Okay, Yes, like a spooky family who live
in a manor home. Yes, beyond a gate near a town.
M I predict spooky vibes and I pray no goal. Okay,
I love you bye. Okay, let's do mine too. Eh.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sorry about the ending of that where I exhaled my
left bread.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
And Hi, Leanna, this is Sienna. I'm about to watch
I got me. We have always lived in the castle.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Spooky season. So I'm assuming this is kind of spooky
or like a thriller or psychological Yeah, excuse me, and
I don't know. Hopefully it's not too scary. But maybe
it's like, yeah, somebody's having like mental afflictions, like they're
having memories from something that happens, memories to a much
older time, but they're just distressed in the modern age.
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That's my guest. Wow, I love you goodbye. I would
watch that.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I would watch that over what what we watched?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, I think we're kind of on the same page.
It wasn't like this, you wouldn't. I wouldn't call it
a terrible experience at all, but I got to the
end then I went, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
My last note is weird movie.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I went to look at this movie. It was weird,
and then I was like, why would you do this?
Or freaks?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Everybody's a little freak.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Anyway, I think there are things that maybe are achieved
more through like the the unreliable narrator thing makes sense
that it could be really cool in a book, but yes,
kind of watching people do stuff in a movie, I don't. Yeah,
it would literally have to be from like first person
point of view for that for them to sell it
for me that anything was a surprise. Anyway, we'll talk
about it, Yes, Yes, to talk about it after we
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do Hate Girls.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Hey girl, Hey girl. Well, el hey, do you.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Have anything to share? I wonder if you could share anything.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I'm I mean, well, here's something I'm interested in. Becoming
a bit of a skinny legend. Okay, I'm I'm lightly
dipping my toe into the waters of skinny legend era,
which means I've been doing my My gym routine of
late has been like go to gym class and then
go home. But now I'm doing go to gym class,
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do one other thing at gym and then come home.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And it is destroying my body. Oh so I.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Really feel at this ripe age of redacted that my
my joints are at the end of the line.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I yeah, I sat on the ground the other people
just while with eating dinner, and I got up and
I went, I can't do that anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No, it's done. I see people who are like I
assume eighty going for runs around the neighborhood and I'm like, I,
that's how are you there? And I'm in this space
where they asked me to jump up onto a box
at the gym the other day, and the way that
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my body refused to defy gravity. It was as if
my soul tried did the jump, but my body stayed
on the ground. Mentally I was on the box. Really,
I remained on the ground. I astral projected the exercise,
but physically Mama was grounded.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Above. I don't get a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Is Does depression make it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Harder to jump? I don't know. It feels like you're
literally weighed down. It's like you're I don't know, but
I would believe it. Oh, your appendix bursting makes it
hard to jump. Yeah, that's how you're supposed to test it.
I don't know if this is like what an old
lives tale. But if if if you're like, is my
appendix is my? Is my appendix burst? If you jump,
apparently you'll be like, oh my god, wow.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Wouldn't you also know without jumping?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I don't know. You might just feel like your tummy hurts.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, I see, But if you jump, appendix will remain
in place and the rest of your body will move
around it, and you'll go.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah. You try to jump and you sort of bounce
around your appendix. That's right. You see one part of
you stay firmly in place while the rest of you
moves around. It's horrifying. You have to jump in a mirror.
It's nice to think that you could figure out if
you had depression that way too. Yes, yes, yes, you
try to have something diagnosable. You try to jump, you
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don't leave the ground, all right, You don't clear an inch?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah. I wonder if part of it is because I'm
such a long woman. There's just so much of me
to have to get off the ground. That's a lot
of legs.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I'm not very good at jumping. If that helps.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Whenever they make me jump up onto a box, I
have to think knees. Lift up your knees, you stupid bitch,
because otherwise I will knock out all of my teeth.
That's my true fear about box jumps.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
At the gym.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh, yeah, I fear I won't lift up my knees
enough because my legs are so long. My legs are
longer than my brothers. Did I tell you that? No,
we measured over the summer. I have longer legs than
my taller older brother. This is the cross eye bear.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Wow, that's fun anyway, leggy, Yeah, I do feel somehow superior. Yeah,
because you're leggy. Like.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
If ever he complains about like leg room on an airplane,
I'll be like, well, well you try being my legs.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
My legs, how about that a little bit longer than yours?
Remember my legs and my my birthing hips, my f't
up hips and joints. In Irish shot to hell. In
Irish dance, you raise, you raise one knee at a time.
You don't ever do such a good point.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So maybe it would be insane to see and I
was dump for both knees in the air. That would
be one of the most inappropriate things. It's like a spider.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I do remember. I remember at a point in my life,
in my young life, when I found out that everyone
was jumping with like both feet off the ground instead
of kind of like leaping with one and then the
other one following, which is how I always jump. Point
in your life and how to let you find out.
It must have been in like eighth grade or early
high school when we were doing some sort of like
maybe we were doing a jump rope unit. There was
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some reason why I was supposed to jump a certain way,
and I was like, I've never done that before. Yeah,
I didn't know how to jump that way. And I
was like, who says that? This is? Like I don't
know how to do this. I remember when they unveiled
like what the proper jump was and I was completely behind.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh my god, Okay, maybe it's a long woman thing.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Do you did you ever get better at it? Please
say no?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I don't know. I don't I don't jump that much.
I don't think I can jump very high. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
There's no cause for jumping. I don't know why we're
incorporating it in to exercise.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Hey girl, Hey, girl. Exciting news for me is that
I just went home to Seattle and it was great.
I've been trying to the last few years go to
Seattle sometime during the fall. That's not just Thanksgiving, because ay,
it's a whole thing. When you go back for Thanksgiving.
B it's way darker by that point in Seattle. Oh,
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the end of November. Oh god, and it's north. So
I went. It was my sister's birthday weekend, which is
where I sat on my knees and I went, I
can't do this anymore. And I also wanted to go
apple picking while we were there, which I've never done.
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, I've never done it,
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even though I'm from the apple state of Washington. It
is they either are known for their apples. I would
not have guessed that is. I think it's the state fruit. Yeah,
that's where the cosmic crisp was just created. They do
like a lot of like apple creating out there.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh that makes sense, marrying their state apple and technology,
their state fruit and.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
The Washington way. But I picked some apples, and we
also went to the vegetable area and we plucked some
veggies from the farm and.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I was, so is really making me laugh? This might
like a vegetable patch.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. I still didn't learn all the terms, but I
did certainly acquire vegetables, the vegetable area, the apple area.
And this might not mean much to you because your family,
your family does things together. Yeah. Mine the idea that
we got here and love you loved my parents that
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who I'm talking to right now. But let's be honest.
The idea that we got there at all is amazing.
You're also excellent. Yeah, my brother wasn't there. My sister
and my mom and my dad all went okay, yes,
I see, I understand. It's well done. It was thank you,
Oh my god. And then we got breakfast afterward, and
I got a Dutch baby pancake. A Dutch baby it's
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the ones that you make them like uh, like a
Dutch oven or like a cast iron skillet. So it
oh floops up to the sides and it's very egg
it's really really good.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And what about it was baby?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Was it small? It's just called a Dutch baby. Oh,
that's what it's called. I would not want to meet
a Dutch baby. What do you think they're like?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Very direct?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Probably they would make it clear that I was doing
a bad jump goog caring for it. Google, don't look
at me when you're saying that where anyway, Then I
took the We got a ginormous uh zucchini, and I
plucked some and I turned the apples into apple sauce,
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and I put that sauce and zucchini together, and I
made zucchini bread. Yeah, and I just dated for breakfast
right now. Yeah, So I thought you were gonna say,
either zucchini bread or zucchini butter.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Zucchini amazing thing. I've never had somenny butter. It's so good.
What zucchini bread honestly better?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
What makes zucchini butter tastes like zucchini?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, you make it out of zucchini.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh, oh, you just like mash it up till it's
like butter.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I guess I listen, I haven't made it. I've just
had some.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I'll look into it later. But speaking of of of
mixing things up and mashing things and preparing gardens patches
areas pulling stuff from the ground, yes, and preparing food for.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
The family or could you please give us a synopsis
of the film. We have always lived in the castle.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I'll see what I can do. I'll see what
I could do.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Eh, we have always lived in the castle. Two sisters,
Mary Cat and Constance and their trump and their traumatized
uncle live in a big house outside of the town
and everyone hates them. Their whole family was poisoned some
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years ago, and everyone is like, okay, well it was
obviously one of you guys who killed them. Yeah, they are.
They are very weird, and they don't go into town
that much. A lot of isolation going on when their
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chauvinists cousin comes to town, played by which I didn't
realize till right before the Sebastian stand. Oh how do
I know that?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Man?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Oh? Mary Cat freaks and tries to curse him dot
dot dot. Who killed the family? And will anyone else die?
I think is what the mystery is a little bit.
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This movie feels like someone's like, yeah, I definitely kill people,
and then we find out. Okay, major spoilers. Really, there's
there's like a twist in this if you want to
read the book. Apparently apparently the book is better, so
you can turn this off. You can turn this off
now and go read the book. But yeah, basically there
there's one sister who's like, I know all the poisons
and I want everyone dead. And then the twist is
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that she's like I killed them, and we're all like yeah, yeah.
And then in another twist of events, they then killed
a cousin, which is like, okay, yeah, it's like a
little justified by the end, so you're feeling sure, it's
just like sort of a surprising twist thing. It's like,
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I don't know, I haven't known until this moment how
chill you are with killing You guys have been talking
about killing the whole time, So I don't think of
it as that crazy that you just killed him.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
No, no, no, none of it was a surprise.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah. Actually the one surprise was that the cat lived.
That for me was the plot twist because they introduced
that cat. I said that cat's gonna die, and then
the morning after the cat goes and I went, oh,
what's that cat name? Jeffrey. It's got like a name Jonas. Yeah. Wow,
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wouldn't you know it? My dang creepy sister buried my
microphone in the yard, so I can't finish the podcast
until I dig it up. I'll be I'll be right back.
You listen to some ads while I'm gone. Where do
you go? Well, Leanna, it's one of those should we
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talk about our phone notes? The notes?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Let's get into our phone note while watching the movie.
I begin this with an apology, Yeah for putting this
on the list. You know, let me say my bad. Okay,
Oh this is my bad. Okay, I'm owning this my bad.
I think it was a pretty good kickoff for spooky season,
so I don't necessarily regret it. What is too bad
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is that this was a direct result of limerence. Oh
why oh, because, as with many of the mistakes in
my life, Yes, because of Sebastian stan I limerenced about
him so hard during the pandemic that I became familiar
with I think his entire filmography. I started watching all
of them, didn't get to this one, but was aware
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of this one. And then what I read that this
was a spooky film directed by a woman.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I said, oh, you know what, it's completely fine. It
was not like grotesque or anything. It was just sort
of true. I don't think this is very good, and
it made me still. It's as a movie that was
based on like a good story, and they just didn't
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know how to adapt it because there were themes that
I was like, Oh, that's cool. Like when I was
reading up on it later, it was like, it's supposed
to be a lot about like this is what like
the fifties sixties, like the wealthy class kind of like
disappearing and like their own alien nation because of their
own like their self isolating because of their own like
classism is what I was And I was like, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That wasn't explored at all.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
It wasn't exploring at all. I think that it wasn't
a very good book adaptation. And when I saw the
like picture and the little seconds of the trailer and
the kind of vibes, I was like, love and I
I don't mind a sort of boring movie where not
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that much happens and people are just being weird. It's
just that they didn't really lean into any particular tone enough, sadly,
and there were a few scenes where you're like, didn't
we already see this scene? Yeah, but that's okay. This
is far from the worst thing we've ever seen, so true.
But I think it just wasn't that good.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
No, No, it was not.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, let's get into our notes A right, Leanna, you
said her hunch at her desk is exactly what I
look like right now. Oh that was hot. That was
a that was a harsh look in the mirror, because
weird Mary Kate. Mary Kat has this intentionally like hunched
posture the whole time, and she walks like a little freak.
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Just she's weird.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's a weird bitch. And I have been doing nothing
about my slouching recently. I've been aware of it, but
I've been consciously making a choice to not do anything
because who who has the time? Mm hmm and by
the time, I mean the energy Again, maybe it's my depression.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I'm being weighed down. I'm not getting off the ground.
I can't defy gravity with my shoulders. Once you get it,
once get over that little thing, you're gonna be flying
like a bird.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Literally, be soaring. I'm so ran.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I looked like watching this film.
So if you've seen the film, you know what I
looked like watching it. Sienna, your first note mushrooms and
snails and bugs and Richard the third on tape normal girl.
That's a normal girl for sure. Yeah, this is like
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her wild decore she's obsessed with mushrooms, and they talk
about how mushrooms are poison Yeah hmmm, and then they
talk about how somebody poisoned their family and she and
then an hour and a half later they're like, oh
my god, it was her, and we're like, yep, I
knew that. That's the only person I thought it was.
That's the only person I predicted.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It was so obvious to me that that's who it was. Wait,
what's this in your notes about Shirley Jackson?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Oh? I wrote down what she did because my roommates
were talking about it. Even though I've not read any
of her stuff, one but one story I didn't have
to read that. It sounds like everyone else has read
because they've talked about it before. This movie is The Lottery?
Did you read that Lottery? Yeah? So she wrote that. Yes,
so she's sort of a spooky, witchy lady. I think so,
I think that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Wait, so what she didn't write this, did she she did?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Oh? Oh?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Sorry, she's she wrote. So. I think it's like based
on Unfortunately, I think it's based on a good book
by a famous female author and like feminist author, and
this was not a good out of tention.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
No, but no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
The main thing that had so much potential. Yes, that's
how I felt. The main thing that Kelsey said was
there were just a few parts where he was like,
this was in the book just like was was. It
meant more. Everything meant more, Which makes sense that that's
like when you when it's hard to set things up.
But the main was that, like the whole thing is
narrated by her in a way where like the fact
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that information about her would be revealed later is maybe
a little more surprising, even if she's being weird.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
But this didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This didn't feel even though she was narrating it at
the beginning, it didn't feel like we were following her
crazy mind necessarily. It just felt like her really annoying
cousin came to It felt like a very external view
of the characters where there was nobody I cared about. No,
I really didn't. Yeah, yeah, I cared a little bit. Well,
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we'll get to it. Yeah, you said, who is this
weird bitch? Is that Marracat?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Honestly it could be anybody, but yeah, and then you wrote, Okay,
so there's a lovely princess sister and a freaky sister
who buries things and dresses like weird. Al I wonder
which one the killer is.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
She's like, I love my sister. She dressed like weird al.
I was trying to put my finger on her wardrobe
the whole time because it was like almost Hawaiian shirts,
but it wasn't I know. And she wore the same
one the whole time. And then she was wearing shorts.
Was like, okay, I didn't. I've never seen a girl
wear shorts like this at this time period. Again, there's so.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Much potential for exploring interesting themes. Yeah, and instead it
just they didn't.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Nothing really happened. They didn't explore it. Nothing was explored, sadly. Yeah,
nothing was explored.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
It's like when you're in a video game and you
can go off into little side rooms and you get
little like extra points. It's like somebody just walked down
the hallway. Yeah, and then it was over level and
you said, yeah, oh, but there was so much other stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Okay, that is she killed them funny. Yeah, that's exactly
what it was. Like. You said, her name is basically
mirror cat. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
The whole time, the whole film, I was like, Oh,
here's meerkat again.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's actually good. That's a good name for her. Actually, no,
they didn't call her that. No one people were maybe
she was ruthlessly making fun of her the whole time. No,
when ever said.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
That nobody in the town was shy about I guess
anything short of kicking her in the head.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Leanna, you said this is what happens when people have
nothing to do because it is the past.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Oh my god, and you wrote before phones, what were
women to do but brush their hair.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
In the mirror? What were you We've kind of always
wanted to do that.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I was referring to those little little a hall boys
who lived in the neighborhood. Oh, you just followed her around.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Going Mary Cas.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's true, and they were spooky, so good job.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
But didn't just watch a TikTok about me?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Literally, there was nothing else for them to do besides
terrorize the weird freak.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Okay, well on the hill follow her. Literally, nothing else
to do until we're eighteen. We have to follow the girl,
follow the freak. You have to follow the weirdest person.
You have to it's the past. It's the past. Okay.
I think this is the woman we were talking about.
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You said, Okay, I love Lucille. She is Mucille. Lucille.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
She shows up, Oh my god, she's the random friend
who gets brought along and is like, Hi, thank you
for tea. Oh my gosh, the local celeb. I've read
everything about you and the strange mystery circumstances surrounding your
near death. I'd love to follow you into your office
and hear more about it.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I loved her. I loved her so much.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Her friend was like, oh, I told her she shouldn't
say anything. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I told her not
to say anything, and she was just like, I'm sorry.
I have to ask half.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
We're in the weird house. I have to where a
family died under mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Also, don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
We're talking about poison. And then the weird one just said,
we forgot the milk and went into the kitchen and
broke something. And still we're all like, no, it was
the princess daughter who did it?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Is the princess? Yeah, I definitely for sure her who
doesn't know anything about it and stuff. I did laugh
when Meerkat was like he wanted her for himself, and
he wanted to steal her away in his automobile. I
was like, not his automobile. Oh no, Leanna, you said
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hello sailor, Hello sailor.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Sebastian I. I had to forgive myself for putting this
movie on the list when he showed up in it,
because God damn, he still got it.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Baby, he still got it? Do you?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And by it I mean a chokehold on me.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Do you have any opinions about actors eating on screen?
I know it's hell for them, so I feel bad
whenever it happens, because now every time I see it,
I'm like, Oh, they probably had to chew that and
then spit it out right. That sucks, Yeah, because he's
just like sort of stuff in his face, is he?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Which scene? Most of them?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
A lot of them, Yes, Unfortunately, at least three scenes.
Because this movie wasn't very creative. I was like, wait,
he was already being mean to Mary Kat while eating.
Oh they're just doing it again. Well that's okay, deepening
my experience, but it is lengthening it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
A long and not deep experience, like the baskets that
they use. What do you think of Sebastian Stan And
I know you've seen him in at least three films
that we watched preously, which ones and saw him in this,
but did not realize he was in all three Captain
America films.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Who was he? Oh my god, I'm sorry? Was he
the bad guy? The friend? The friend? Who is the
bad guy?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Captain America? He has a best friend us from war? Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes. Unfortunately,
my opinion on him is that I see him and
I go, huh, I can't remember who that handsome man is. Yeah,
that's fun. I think he's I think he's totally solid actor.
I mean, he was the right choice for this one.
(27:18):
Oh yeah, I thought he did a fine job. Yeah. God,
he just looked so good.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You know what I think this was missing was an
actual voice of reason because they try to have him
be that where he shows up their cousin from out
of town. He shows up, He's like, y'all are weird
as hell. He is not a sustainable way to live.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You need to use the bank and install a phone.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You need to use the bank.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
He was.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He worked for big bank and phone. He was there
to propagandize.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But and every now and again he would say those
things and be like, she's being so weird because his
family really weird, and he also was being weird in
the interactions, and so I just felt like I was
slipping around like I was in a room made of algae. Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I couldn't get a grip, I couldn't get purchased.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
So evocative. You're right, he pointed it out like once
or twice. But mainly he's also being insane, like flirting
with Constance. I think they're what first cousins, and then
screaming about how much he's upset with Merycat. But he
kept screaming also, by the way, but like she's burying everything,
(28:28):
and I'm like, okay, king, then get digging. Then dig.
If you're so concerned about all this stuff, go dig.
You can tell that your little You don't need to
guess if that girl's bearing stuff, she clearly is. I
laughed very much when he was like, she's burying a watch,
and Constance was like, she likes to garden. She likes
(28:50):
to bury things. She's gardening. She's just gardening. Leanna, you said,
if I met Sebastian Stan, I probably also would sleep
in a hole in the ground. Afterwards you go, you
run off, and.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I hunch away my little garden hole.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
She's so weird. But I also was like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Mood totally metaphorically.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah. I would just be like, I'm I don't this
can't come on. I did like, there were a few
times where I have to sleep in a garden hole
where she was where she was like, to sleep in
a garden hole. I have to sleep in a garden hole.
I'm sorry, Oh my god, you're so beautiful. I think
I have to go sleep in a garden.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
To sleep in a garden hole. There were a few
you see somebody who's so so striking and beautiful, and
then you realize that they've seen you, and you're like,
I need to go be in a hole. Oh my god,
I need to be in a hole in the ground.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I also liked when she would be like, everybody hates us.
I don't want to go in the town. Everyone hates me,
because that's how I'm about going to parties in la
're like, I don't want to go. I don't like them,
but they they hate me.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
What was up with why when she had to go
into town did her sister take her pigtail braids and
tie them at the back.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I didn't one thing. I didn't notice that. Each time
she was like, you'll go into town, you'll do this,
And while she's doing that, she's tying her two braids
together at thet I have a memory of her like
touching her hair and doing her hair to prepare her
I didn't know she was doing that. Dumb shit. That's
not a hairstyle, right, that's honest. I've never seen that.
(30:33):
Is she afraid she's gonna get Is that something from
the fifties to show that you're going to town. I
don't know you're gonna get into Like, oh don't, I
don't bother me. I'm on my errands. Yeah you can tell,
cause my pigtails are tied together. That's a rand we're
gonna have to look into. It keeps me on my errands.
Right in Leani, you said this is so true. Standing
(30:54):
next to a relative who was taking forever to say
whatever about nothing. This is about their uncle. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I when Sebastian's in the garden with him and he's
like those oaks.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Were planted by your great grandfather, and Sebastian stands like
they're beautiful. Yeah, like they slant. Okay, what are we doing?
What's my role here? What do you want me to say?
(31:33):
Thank you? Thank you. I loved when that man started
going my box.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, your next note is my box, My boy. I
loved he was like, I need a box. I'm gonna
need a box. I'm thinking I need a box for
my papers, and he it was a good call. It
was in the nick of time because those papers.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
There was soon a fire and that was the only
thing that survived. Yeah, not buoyant, you said, Uh. Father
said everything that mattered was in America. Okay, so he
was an idiot. Father said everything that mattered was in America. See, like,
let's explore that. Your father. Joseph McCarthy talking about what
(32:20):
are we learning culturally about these people? I don't know.
I don't know, I don't know. You said, was this
a play? Derogatory? It feels like that. It really felt
like a play, And I didn't like that. Honestly, I
thought Alexander d Dario did a really good job. I mean,
I think everybody was doing a good job. Sometimes Sebastian
(32:43):
stan was making choices where I was like, well, you're
pretty who cares, but she Yeah, I think the performance
she had that like vacant stare where she was very
clearly like dissociating by by way, yes, being the perfect
sort of like housewife figure, and she's like, I'm not
gonna think about anything bad or I'm not even.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Getting clear like okay, there's some sort of trauma, right.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
She's not even just pretending it didn't happen. She's just
like okay, yeah, yeah, okay, that was Yeah, they're gone.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
She's unreachable.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah m hm.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Which again, when they sort of reveal at the end
the reason that meerkat poisoned the parents, it's like, yeah, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And she also has a really insane attachment to her
sister that I wish they'd explored a little more because
I didn't realize, Yeah, she's so weird, she's obsessed with it. Well,
and it's like because throughout she's been stopping her sister
from being able to live her life and go with
hot Fireman Gym in his automobile yeah and whatever. And
it's like you're not actually protecting her, You're you're holding
(33:50):
her bag. But that wasn't explored. Yeah, I want to
see more of their code appears a hot take.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I wanted those cousins to kiss.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Ok, me too. It's like, if you're gonna hint at incest,
just do it, just do it, just do it. And
do I stand by Do I stand by this? For everything?
Not at all?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I get no, But I guess in this one, I'm
like they were meaning heavily toward it. It's like in
White Load of season three.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, thanks for shure.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
We were immediately hinting at it, and it was like
eventually they're gonna have to and they did and they
did and it was.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
A surprise and they did and they did. But this one,
he is so shirtless this minutes after minutes after us
being like I love that women don't show too much stuff,
and that's particularly about the abuse stuff. But yeah, they
keep it vague and show the inshirtless hot man to kiss. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean they were both into each other. My god. Also,
(34:47):
that's the thing is, I'm like, you're implying they are
hooking up, so I mean, he's not. It's not like
their brothers, sister. None of us are going to be disturbed.
These are just two actors making out, So we'll be fine. Yeah,
I don't know about their color, we'll be better for it. Actually,
we were saying, we're like I wanted Sebastian and Alexandria
to kiss. Sorry if you didn't know that. If a
character didn't know their cousin when they were a kid,
(35:08):
is it even really that incest? Incest? Because in the
olden times in the way like cousin Charles, Yeah, they
did really keeping cousin Matthew, but he had seen them.
He was like, I haven't seen them in years, have
seen that was crazy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, it's true.
Hm hmm. Nobody was the good guy in this. I
(35:32):
guess in the end you're supposed to be rooting for Constance,
I guess, but like you said, she is very weird.
I do think that it's like they're kind of unrelatable, strange. Yeah,
some things about Spastian stan Leana. You said you got
to use two fingers. Sebastian, you can't just say that,
and then you said, I am not okay smiley face,
and that was near you talking about that when he
(35:56):
comes out of the bathroom. Okay, I forgot about that
scene stopping That was probably the best scene in the movie.
I'll say that was that was female directing at its peak,
which is that this is incredibly hot and wow, but
everybody was just like staring at each other a uga
(36:18):
as hell. Yeah, which is that she saw her she
sees a man without his shirt on who's not and
he's so hot. But for the first time, he's so hot. Okay,
this is very true, Leanna. You've said, Mama's you are
going to die of asbestos if you don't leave this house.
They need to go and like smoke smokes and you
(36:42):
also this very related.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
You said, so did they pick up any of the
food that pissed me off?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
That was the mystery for me. That was the real mystery.
You would like that. Yeah, one hundred people leave delicious
food sitting out there. I've been so cool. Chicken, a
roast chicken with fresh vegetables, pie and a pie and cookies,
fresh vegetables from the vegetable area. I bet he picked
those from the vegetable area. Fresh fresh. They're just like,
(37:10):
I'm gonna make gruel, well siper gruel because we hate
them out there. Shut up, just eat the food. Just
get that nice delicious. Do you think they thought it
was poisoned? I guess that would make sense, But but
other people don't do that. That's your guys' thing, that's
your whole thing, and that's actually just one of y'all's thing. Yeah,
(37:30):
and it's the one that we thought it was the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, everyone, we're taking an ad break. So you've got
three minutes to loot a burning house and then roast
a chicken in apology.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
We'll be right then to roast the chicken at the fire.
Oh and Leona, your final note. Weird movie, weird movie. Yeah,
I agreird movie. Not very good.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
It was weird, not very good, but satisfying well, spooky
for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Should we move on to enjoy this spook?
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yes, let us dig up our segment badges and tradges
where we award badges.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
For banging your hawk cousin, no baths for bathtubs.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Badges for baths, and tradges for a terrarium like lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah. I like that very in the dirt with a
lot of glass around it. My first badge is for
it ninety four minutes long? Thank you? How did it feel?
Three and a half of those were the credits. It
did feel it felt much longer, but it wasn't and
it wasn't I have a badge for a pond. When
this movie started, they just showed the beautiful nature by
(38:54):
the way, looked it up Ireland. They showed the beautiful
Irish nature.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
They filmed this in Ireland.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I want.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I guess we don't have like and we don't have
like a castle like this, even though I couldn't compare
it to any like quote unquote castle or manner that
I've seen, just it was like made of stone but
looked the shape of a regular house. I don't know. Anyway,
I looked it up and it was indeed Ireland. So
when it began, I was like, this is absolutely gorgeous
(39:22):
and I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh dang.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
A badge for Stella, the woman who owns the diner
and is nice to mer Cat.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, I like to better go. You gotta go. You
should go respectfully, you should.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Move it along.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Jim Badge for and one thing I will give this
movie little cookies. There were little cookies around and I
love that. I love that. I love a little cookie.
That's a huge badge. Way to go, huge.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Badge badge for I love spooky gay Uncle Julian.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
My box, my box, Wait to get up every day
and do your work, Uncle Julian. Okay. Badge for the painting.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That they had the family painted, painting that family portrait.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
It was so cursed. I don't know, Okay, it was cursed.
And uh the paintings it really looked like them, it did.
That's a fun thing to keep going back and forth to.
All right, m right.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Badge for I love the hebgb's he gets. When Sebastian
Stan was getting real spooked by the family, specifically meerkats antics,
he was being pretty funny about it. Badge for this
dust free household.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
They did an amazing job. I can't. I want. I
want to dust as well as them. I want to
dust as well as them. Getting those corners, it is beautiful. Well,
just clear your schedule every day. Yeah, from now until forever.
Round for tuesdays. Yea, go into town.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Badge for calling it the bone yard. When one of
the towns people goes wonder how long before this one
ends up at the bone yard? I said, thank you,
that's awesome. Let's bring back bone yard. Yes, I love that. Yes,
I love referring to the graveyard as the bone yard.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
It's a yard of bones.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
He's at the boneyard now taking a little visit to
the bone yard.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I love that those are all my badges.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Ooop badge for that shot of Constance looking upward at
the dome when the house is burning. Yeap, where it's
shot from above. I thought that was a very cool shot.
Badge for all the cat lived. Oh, and that's my
last badge.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Trages.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Trag is a trage for you dirty finger nails, Jim
Jim firefighter Jim has dirty fingernails. You do like a
close up.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
At trage for it somehow felt longer than an hour
and a half, which is not good.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, Trag for you a jello, a lot of things
made in molds at the dinner table, and.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Trag for not very well paced. I think Slash some
scenes felt very repetitive and not in a cool way.
M Yeah, trage for a man struggling with a hammer
is an ick. Sebastian is trying to get a nail
out of the step and he's just having a hard time.
(42:43):
And I thought there was going to be more to
that scene, but that was it awesome and I was like, oh,
trag for I like a lot of the ideas, but
wish we could explore them. Yeah, oh that's an idea.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's the first draft.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, a trage for we all know you put it
in the sugar. She's like, I put it in the sugar,
and Constance is like, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I'm like, I also know.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I know.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
We all know. I know I could tell because of
how you are. I know I knew because it was
just you and me here at the house and I
didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And most of what you say is reciting facts about poisons,
So yeah, I figured it out. Also, why didn't they
finish the job with the uncle? They had plenty of opportunity.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
That's true. I guess they were like, he's fine. Wait.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Also, did she on her trial?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Was the verdict She's guilty, but too pretty to put
in prison, That's what they said, which is I guess
why she tried. She was like, I need to be
the one who's tried, because they Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
The gorgeous thing will throw you in jail immediately because
you are a free I.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Have blue eyes, gorgeous brown, You're obviously going to jail. Gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I can't be locked up. I'm gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I'm obviously too, pretty different in jail, So.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
The beauty pass of the law. Well, should we move
on to our next segment?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yes, yes, of course. How to pretend you've seen this film?
Oh my gosh, it's spooky season. You're at a Halloween party.
You're at a Halloween party at a at the big
house outside of town, the boneyard, at the boneyard. Yeah,
at the boneyard, and you're just burying something. You're burying
something because that's what you do, and that's what girls do,
(44:40):
and that's fine. And cousin, Charles, Cousin Charles comes up
to you and he says, Wow, this boneyard reminds me
of a little movie that I saw. It's a you know,
it was okay, based on based on a story about
a pretty good guy who comes in visits some his cousins.
(45:02):
I never read the book, but I watched the movie
and that was sort of my takeaway. A brave and
noble guy bringing no absolute hot, hot hot. You have
a cousin, and I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you all
about this movie. I'm gonna tell you everything in the
world for a while.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And in order to well, Barry cousin Charles. We're gonna
give you a few sentences you can say to pretend
you've seen the film. We have always lived in the Castle.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Oh man, Well, yes, cousin, cousin, what again, Charles, Yes,
cousin Charles, I've seen the film. We have always lived
in the Castle. Unhappy with previous adaptations of Shirley Jackson's work,
including The Haunting nineteen ninety nine, Jackson's eldest son, Lawrence,
(45:53):
worked closely with the production to ensure the film kept
the book spirit. Did it? I don't know. I don't
think it's it. It's too bad. I do want to
read the book. On the bright side, Yeah, I am
intrigued by the book. Now was Shirley Jackson canceled for
any reason? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
No, I'm in the middle of burying a large binder,
and I say, oh, yes, cousin, Charles, I've seen We
have always lived in the Castle. Now you keep away
from my papers, you bestarred, oh.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
In, Uh, yes, yes, cousin Charles, I have seen the film.
We have always lived in the Castle. In Jackson's novel,
The Blackwood Home is more run down than is portrayed
in the film. That makes sense to me. When it started,
I was like, is this gonna be sort of like
a Gray Gardens vibe, like codependent formerly wealthy freaks. Yep, yep,
(47:01):
And it probably is that, but just felt a little different.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Hmm, Cousin Charles, what are you doing here? Yes, I've seen.
We have always lived in the Castle. Now, I think
we need to forbid your wandering. Stop speaking to people
about film.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I think we need to forbid your wandering. Yes, Cousin Charles,
I have seen the film. We've always lived in the Castle.
A few last fun differences. The film does not present
the villager's contrition as much as the novel does, even
though they came and left a bunch of stuff in
front of the door. Apparently it's way more in the book.
After the fire, a constant stream of shamed citizens began
to leave offerings at the Blackwood door over the years,
(47:42):
establishing a new town tradition. That's interesting, I say, I
want to know why that would be so significant in
the in the book, because everyone was just so mean
in this one. Okay, Charles Blackwood does not die in
the book. That's also interesting because it did feel very
thrown in as if the movie should have ended, and
(48:05):
then it didn't, and then finally, this is not about
the book but just about vibes on set. Sebastian Stan
and Crispin Glover also start together in Hot Tub Time
Machine twenty seven. Crispin Glover, that was the uncle apparently, right?
(48:27):
What else is he? But his face is so?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Is is Crisp?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
He really looks like his face his name looks like
he looks like his name. I'm having a stroke. Okay,
he looks like a Crispin. Oh, this is the thing
that I'm gonna read later about the differences between the
book and the movie. But the final sentence of this
whole like essay that the person wrote is all this
is to say, we have Always Lived in the Castle.
Is not a bad film, but it certainly is one that,
(48:53):
while very nearly faithful to Jackson in both body and spirit,
ultimately falls short and we needed way more jonas the cat. Yeah,
apparently the cat's a big part of the book, which
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
That cat was so cute? That was crazy, How cute
that cat was. Yes, Cousin, Charles, I've seen we have
always lived in the Castle.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Now I have to ask you to please be extremely quiet.
I love that gay uncle. I love that gay uncle.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
My box. It's time I had a box.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Well, Leanna Shelley move on to our next segment, which is,
of course, should you watch the stories? You should watch
this and if not, what should they do? No?
Speaker 2 (49:43):
No, no, you don't need to watch this. I'm sorry, Sebastian.
I love you, you know I do. But what the
hell was this? If you're experiencing Limerens about if you're me,
you could do what I did during the pandemic. If
(50:04):
you want to watch a spooky film about a family
living in a spooky house and actually there kind of
is a plot twist at the end, you could watch
Oh there's no way, I know what it's called. Hang on.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
You could watch marrow Bone. Now do keep in mind
it's not good, okay, which is flord of this movie.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
It's it's got George Mackay, my other Limerens boy, and
you Taylor Joy. In the director's commentary of this film,
you can hear the director going, wow, the camera just
loves her.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
An actor who I don't trust the movie she chooses
to be in it all. But yes, that's right, that's
exactly right, I would say, well, I wouldn't say watch
that either, So.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
But if you know what you should do, you should
carve a pumpkin.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Thanks for telling us about it though your book, Sienna,
what would you say? I will say, you don't have
to watch this movie. It wasn't very good, but I
think that we should all read the book because I
want to read the book now. I'm I'm it's just
like it somehow this is kind of effective marketing and
that apparently the book is just different in such specific
(51:20):
ways that this person who's writing this essay that I'm
reading is being so nice. They're like, it's not necessarily
bad that they chose to do that, but it does
completely rob constants of her agency and even what happened
in the book. That's really sweet of you to say. Anyway,
I would say that you could read this cause I
think it's it's it's it's an autumn of reading. I
(51:41):
think we're going to read that. Yeah, so I think
I'm I just went to the library yesterday. Oh my god,
I picked up a book. But maybe I won't read
that now, maybe I'll read this instead. So all right, well, Leanna,
what would you read this movie where in the reading list,
I will give We Have Always Lived in the Castle
(52:02):
two bone yards out of five.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Interesting concepts. There certainly some ideas flying around. I loved
the cat. The cat was so cute. The aesthetic I
thought was very interesting and well done. And ooh, baby
Sebastian Stan fresh out of the tub, hello and thank you.
(52:28):
Now what really it needed was a trip to the
boneyard for those two cousins and everybody in it was
a freak and it wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
So there you go, there you go. What would you
read them? I wouldn't have said it better myself. I
would also give the film a two two unappreciated feasts
out of out of five because they didn't pick up
(52:57):
any of the damn food. Yes, it wasn't the worst
movie ever. I mean it wasn't like painful to watch.
I just I got to a point where I was
looking at my watch and uh, it felt like something
that was falling short of something. But in that way,
it was sort of an advertisement for reading, so that's
(53:17):
something it was okay. I mean like some of the
lists were doing their doing a good job at their card,
just wasn't with anyway. We watched it spooky season. Thank
you everybody so much for listening to this episode of
Toss Popcorn. You can find us at toss Popcorn on Instagram,
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You can find us at patreon dot com slash toss Popcorn.
It was a busy month last month, so we'll be
posting a couple this month of modern movies that we've watched.
And join us next week when we will be watching
A Girl.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Walks home Alone at night.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Another sentence of a movie. I love that. Thank you,
we love you, Bye bye bye. You can find us
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go take a minute to tie my pigtails together. We'll
be right back. What is that that's so weird? It
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does feel like sort of a made up busy work thing.
She's like, hold on, let me, let me tell her. Yeah,
I'm gonna tear your braids together. I'll get you ready
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one hundred Greatest American Movies of All Time very slightly
less Raci's tenth anniversary edition, and are now watching films
directed by women, particularly right now, spoooopy films directed by
spooky women.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
The film's gotta be spooky, and so does the director.
It can't be one of the two. It's gotta be both.
This podcast is a safe safe for people who don't
know anything about movies.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Today.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We're watching We have always lived in the Castle.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Father said everything that mattered was in America.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Warning there will be spoilers about this.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Weird recent film relatively recent. Yes, yes, yes, well we
can talk about it. Yeah, but we can't talk about
it yet. No.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But did you know anything about the movie?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
No? I did not know anything about it, but I
watched it with Kelsey who has read the book.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh, I knew it was going to be based off
of something. Well, let's do my prediction first. Okay, in
that case, good boarding, good boarding, I'm about to watch
we have always lived in the castle. I'm pretty sure
Sebastian Stam is.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
In the Okay, Yes, like a spooky family who live
in a manor home. Yes, beyond a gate near a town.
M I predict spooky vibes and I pray no goal. Okay,
I love you bye. Okay, let's do mine too. Eh.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sorry about the ending of that where I exhaled my
left bread.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
And Hi, Leanna, this is Sienna. I'm about to watch
I got me. We have always lived in the castle.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Spooky season. So I'm assuming this is kind of spooky
or like a thriller or psychological Yeah, excuse me, and
I don't know. Hopefully it's not too scary. But maybe
it's like, yeah, somebody's having like mental afflictions, like they're
having memories from something that happens, memories to a much
older time, but they're just distressed in the modern age.
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That's my guest. Wow, I love you goodbye. I would
watch that.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I would watch that over what what we watched?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, I think we're kind of on the same page.
It wasn't like this, you wouldn't. I wouldn't call it
a terrible experience at all, but I got to the
end then I went, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
My last note is weird movie.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I went to look at this movie. It was weird,
and then I was like, why would you do this?
Or freaks?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Everybody's a little freak.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Anyway, I think there are things that maybe are achieved
more through like the the unreliable narrator thing makes sense
that it could be really cool in a book, but yes,
kind of watching people do stuff in a movie, I don't. Yeah,
it would literally have to be from like first person
point of view for that for them to sell it
for me that anything was a surprise. Anyway, we'll talk
about it, Yes, Yes, to talk about it after we
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do Hate Girls.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Hey girl, Hey girl. Well, el hey, do you.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Have anything to share? I wonder if you could share anything.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I'm I mean, well, here's something I'm interested in. Becoming
a bit of a skinny legend. Okay, I'm I'm lightly
dipping my toe into the waters of skinny legend era,
which means I've been doing my My gym routine of
late has been like go to gym class and then
go home. But now I'm doing go to gym class,
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do one other thing at gym and then come home.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And it is destroying my body. Oh so I.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Really feel at this ripe age of redacted that my
my joints are at the end of the line.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I yeah, I sat on the ground the other people
just while with eating dinner, and I got up and
I went, I can't do that anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No, it's done. I see people who are like I
assume eighty going for runs around the neighborhood and I'm like, I,
that's how are you there? And I'm in this space
where they asked me to jump up onto a box
at the gym the other day, and the way that
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my body refused to defy gravity. It was as if
my soul tried did the jump, but my body stayed
on the ground. Mentally I was on the box. Really,
I remained on the ground. I astral projected the exercise,
but physically Mama was grounded.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Above. I don't get a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Is Does depression make it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Harder to jump? I don't know. It feels like you're
literally weighed down. It's like you're I don't know, but
I would believe it. Oh, your appendix bursting makes it
hard to jump. Yeah, that's how you're supposed to test it.
I don't know if this is like what an old
lives tale. But if if if you're like, is my
appendix is my? Is my appendix burst? If you jump,
apparently you'll be like, oh my god, wow.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Wouldn't you also know without jumping?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I don't know. You might just feel like your tummy hurts.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, I see, But if you jump, appendix will remain
in place and the rest of your body will move
around it, and you'll go.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah. You try to jump and you sort of bounce
around your appendix. That's right. You see one part of
you stay firmly in place while the rest of you
moves around. It's horrifying. You have to jump in a mirror.
It's nice to think that you could figure out if
you had depression that way too. Yes, yes, yes, you
try to have something diagnosable. You try to jump, you
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don't leave the ground, all right, You don't clear an inch?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah. I wonder if part of it is because I'm
such a long woman. There's just so much of me
to have to get off the ground. That's a lot
of legs.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I'm not very good at jumping. If that helps.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Whenever they make me jump up onto a box, I
have to think knees. Lift up your knees, you stupid bitch,
because otherwise I will knock out all of my teeth.
That's my true fear about box jumps.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
At the gym.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh, yeah, I fear I won't lift up my knees
enough because my legs are so long. My legs are
longer than my brothers. Did I tell you that? No,
we measured over the summer. I have longer legs than
my taller older brother. This is the cross eye bear.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Wow, that's fun anyway, leggy, Yeah, I do feel somehow superior. Yeah,
because you're leggy. Like.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
If ever he complains about like leg room on an airplane,
I'll be like, well, well you try being my legs.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
My legs, how about that a little bit longer than yours?
Remember my legs and my my birthing hips, my f't
up hips and joints. In Irish shot to hell. In
Irish dance, you raise, you raise one knee at a time.
You don't ever do such a good point.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So maybe it would be insane to see and I
was dump for both knees in the air. That would
be one of the most inappropriate things. It's like a spider.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I do remember. I remember at a point in my life,
in my young life, when I found out that everyone
was jumping with like both feet off the ground instead
of kind of like leaping with one and then the
other one following, which is how I always jump. Point
in your life and how to let you find out.
It must have been in like eighth grade or early
high school when we were doing some sort of like
maybe we were doing a jump rope unit. There was
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some reason why I was supposed to jump a certain way,
and I was like, I've never done that before. Yeah,
I didn't know how to jump that way. And I
was like, who says that? This is? Like I don't
know how to do this. I remember when they unveiled
like what the proper jump was and I was completely behind.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh my god, Okay, maybe it's a long woman thing.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Do you did you ever get better at it? Please
say no?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I don't know. I don't I don't jump that much.
I don't think I can jump very high. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
There's no cause for jumping. I don't know why we're
incorporating it in to exercise.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Hey girl, Hey, girl. Exciting news for me is that
I just went home to Seattle and it was great.
I've been trying to the last few years go to
Seattle sometime during the fall. That's not just Thanksgiving, because ay,
it's a whole thing. When you go back for Thanksgiving.
B it's way darker by that point in Seattle. Oh,
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the end of November. Oh god, and it's north. So
I went. It was my sister's birthday weekend, which is
where I sat on my knees and I went, I
can't do this anymore. And I also wanted to go
apple picking while we were there, which I've never done.
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, I've never done it,
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even though I'm from the apple state of Washington. It
is they either are known for their apples. I would
not have guessed that is. I think it's the state fruit. Yeah,
that's where the cosmic crisp was just created. They do
like a lot of like apple creating out there.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh that makes sense, marrying their state apple and technology,
their state fruit and.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
The Washington way. But I picked some apples, and we
also went to the vegetable area and we plucked some
veggies from the farm and.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I was, so is really making me laugh? This might
like a vegetable patch.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. I still didn't learn all the terms, but I
did certainly acquire vegetables, the vegetable area, the apple area.
And this might not mean much to you because your family,
your family does things together. Yeah. Mine the idea that
we got here and love you loved my parents that
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who I'm talking to right now. But let's be honest.
The idea that we got there at all is amazing.
You're also excellent. Yeah, my brother wasn't there. My sister
and my mom and my dad all went okay, yes,
I see, I understand. It's well done. It was thank you,
Oh my god. And then we got breakfast afterward, and
I got a Dutch baby pancake. A Dutch baby it's
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the ones that you make them like uh, like a
Dutch oven or like a cast iron skillet. So it
oh floops up to the sides and it's very egg
it's really really good.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And what about it was baby?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Was it small? It's just called a Dutch baby. Oh,
that's what it's called. I would not want to meet
a Dutch baby. What do you think they're like?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Very direct?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Probably they would make it clear that I was doing
a bad jump goog caring for it. Google, don't look
at me when you're saying that where anyway, Then I
took the We got a ginormous uh zucchini, and I
plucked some and I turned the apples into apple sauce,
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and I put that sauce and zucchini together, and I
made zucchini bread. Yeah, and I just dated for breakfast
right now. Yeah, So I thought you were gonna say,
either zucchini bread or zucchini butter.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Zucchini amazing thing. I've never had somenny butter. It's so good.
What zucchini bread honestly better?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
What makes zucchini butter tastes like zucchini?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, you make it out of zucchini.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh, oh, you just like mash it up till it's
like butter.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I guess I listen, I haven't made it. I've just
had some.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I'll look into it later. But speaking of of of
mixing things up and mashing things and preparing gardens patches
areas pulling stuff from the ground, yes, and preparing food for.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
The family or could you please give us a synopsis
of the film. We have always lived in the castle.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I'll see what I can do. I'll see what
I could do.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Eh, we have always lived in the castle. Two sisters,
Mary Cat and Constance and their trump and their traumatized
uncle live in a big house outside of the town
and everyone hates them. Their whole family was poisoned some
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years ago, and everyone is like, okay, well it was
obviously one of you guys who killed them. Yeah, they are.
They are very weird, and they don't go into town
that much. A lot of isolation going on when their
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chauvinists cousin comes to town, played by which I didn't
realize till right before the Sebastian stand. Oh how do
I know that?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Man?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Oh? Mary Cat freaks and tries to curse him dot
dot dot. Who killed the family? And will anyone else die?
I think is what the mystery is a little bit.
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This movie feels like someone's like, yeah, I definitely kill people,
and then we find out. Okay, major spoilers. Really, there's
there's like a twist in this if you want to
read the book. Apparently apparently the book is better, so
you can turn this off. You can turn this off
now and go read the book. But yeah, basically there
there's one sister who's like, I know all the poisons
and I want everyone dead. And then the twist is
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that she's like I killed them, and we're all like yeah, yeah.
And then in another twist of events, they then killed
a cousin, which is like, okay, yeah, it's like a
little justified by the end, so you're feeling sure, it's
just like sort of a surprising twist thing. It's like,
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I don't know, I haven't known until this moment how
chill you are with killing You guys have been talking
about killing the whole time, So I don't think of
it as that crazy that you just killed him.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
No, no, no, none of it was a surprise.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah. Actually the one surprise was that the cat lived.
That for me was the plot twist because they introduced
that cat. I said that cat's gonna die, and then
the morning after the cat goes and I went, oh,
what's that cat name? Jeffrey. It's got like a name Jonas. Yeah. Wow,
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wouldn't you know it? My dang creepy sister buried my
microphone in the yard, so I can't finish the podcast
until I dig it up. I'll be I'll be right back.
You listen to some ads while I'm gone. Where do
you go? Well, Leanna, it's one of those should we
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talk about our phone notes? The notes?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Let's get into our phone note while watching the movie.
I begin this with an apology, Yeah for putting this
on the list. You know, let me say my bad. Okay,
Oh this is my bad. Okay, I'm owning this my bad.
I think it was a pretty good kickoff for spooky season,
so I don't necessarily regret it. What is too bad
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is that this was a direct result of limerence. Oh
why oh, because, as with many of the mistakes in
my life, Yes, because of Sebastian stan I limerenced about
him so hard during the pandemic that I became familiar
with I think his entire filmography. I started watching all
of them, didn't get to this one, but was aware
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of this one. And then what I read that this
was a spooky film directed by a woman.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I said, oh, you know what, it's completely fine. It
was not like grotesque or anything. It was just sort
of true. I don't think this is very good, and
it made me still. It's as a movie that was
based on like a good story, and they just didn't
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know how to adapt it because there were themes that
I was like, Oh, that's cool. Like when I was
reading up on it later, it was like, it's supposed
to be a lot about like this is what like
the fifties sixties, like the wealthy class kind of like
disappearing and like their own alien nation because of their
own like their self isolating because of their own like
classism is what I was And I was like, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That wasn't explored at all.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
It wasn't exploring at all. I think that it wasn't
a very good book adaptation. And when I saw the
like picture and the little seconds of the trailer and
the kind of vibes, I was like, love and I
I don't mind a sort of boring movie where not
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that much happens and people are just being weird. It's
just that they didn't really lean into any particular tone enough, sadly,
and there were a few scenes where you're like, didn't
we already see this scene? Yeah, but that's okay. This
is far from the worst thing we've ever seen, so true.
But I think it just wasn't that good.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
No, No, it was not.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, let's get into our notes A right, Leanna, you
said her hunch at her desk is exactly what I
look like right now. Oh that was hot. That was
a that was a harsh look in the mirror, because
weird Mary Kate. Mary Kat has this intentionally like hunched
posture the whole time, and she walks like a little freak.
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Just she's weird.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's a weird bitch. And I have been doing nothing
about my slouching recently. I've been aware of it, but
I've been consciously making a choice to not do anything
because who who has the time? Mm hmm and by
the time, I mean the energy Again, maybe it's my depression.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I'm being weighed down. I'm not getting off the ground.
I can't defy gravity with my shoulders. Once you get it,
once get over that little thing, you're gonna be flying
like a bird.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Literally, be soaring. I'm so ran.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I looked like watching this film.
So if you've seen the film, you know what I
looked like watching it. Sienna, your first note mushrooms and
snails and bugs and Richard the third on tape normal girl.
That's a normal girl for sure. Yeah, this is like
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her wild decore she's obsessed with mushrooms, and they talk
about how mushrooms are poison Yeah hmmm, and then they
talk about how somebody poisoned their family and she and
then an hour and a half later they're like, oh
my god, it was her, and we're like, yep, I
knew that. That's the only person I thought it was.
That's the only person I predicted.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It was so obvious to me that that's who it was. Wait,
what's this in your notes about Shirley Jackson?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Oh? I wrote down what she did because my roommates
were talking about it. Even though I've not read any
of her stuff, one but one story I didn't have
to read that. It sounds like everyone else has read
because they've talked about it before. This movie is The Lottery?
Did you read that Lottery? Yeah? So she wrote that. Yes,
so she's sort of a spooky, witchy lady. I think so,
I think that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Wait, so what she didn't write this, did she she did?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Oh? Oh?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Sorry, she's she wrote. So. I think it's like based
on Unfortunately, I think it's based on a good book
by a famous female author and like feminist author, and
this was not a good out of tention.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
No, but no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
The main thing that had so much potential. Yes, that's
how I felt. The main thing that Kelsey said was
there were just a few parts where he was like,
this was in the book just like was was. It
meant more. Everything meant more, Which makes sense that that's
like when you when it's hard to set things up.
But the main was that, like the whole thing is
narrated by her in a way where like the fact
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that information about her would be revealed later is maybe
a little more surprising, even if she's being weird.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
But this didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This didn't feel even though she was narrating it at
the beginning, it didn't feel like we were following her
crazy mind necessarily. It just felt like her really annoying
cousin came to It felt like a very external view
of the characters where there was nobody I cared about. No,
I really didn't. Yeah, yeah, I cared a little bit. Well,
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we'll get to it. Yeah, you said, who is this
weird bitch? Is that Marracat?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Honestly it could be anybody, but yeah, and then you wrote, Okay,
so there's a lovely princess sister and a freaky sister
who buries things and dresses like weird. Al I wonder
which one the killer is.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
She's like, I love my sister. She dressed like weird al.
I was trying to put my finger on her wardrobe
the whole time because it was like almost Hawaiian shirts,
but it wasn't I know. And she wore the same
one the whole time. And then she was wearing shorts.
Was like, okay, I didn't. I've never seen a girl
wear shorts like this at this time period. Again, there's so.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Much potential for exploring interesting themes. Yeah, and instead it
just they didn't.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Nothing really happened. They didn't explore it. Nothing was explored, sadly. Yeah,
nothing was explored.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
It's like when you're in a video game and you
can go off into little side rooms and you get
little like extra points. It's like somebody just walked down
the hallway. Yeah, and then it was over level and
you said, yeah, oh, but there was so much other stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Okay, that is she killed them funny. Yeah, that's exactly
what it was. Like. You said, her name is basically
mirror cat. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
The whole time, the whole film, I was like, Oh,
here's meerkat again.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's actually good. That's a good name for her. Actually, no,
they didn't call her that. No one people were maybe
she was ruthlessly making fun of her the whole time. No,
when ever said.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
That nobody in the town was shy about I guess
anything short of kicking her in the head.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Leanna, you said this is what happens when people have
nothing to do because it is the past.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Oh my god, and you wrote before phones, what were
women to do but brush their hair.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
In the mirror? What were you We've kind of always
wanted to do that.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I was referring to those little little a hall boys
who lived in the neighborhood. Oh, you just followed her around.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Going Mary Cas.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's true, and they were spooky, so good job.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
But didn't just watch a TikTok about me?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Literally, there was nothing else for them to do besides
terrorize the weird freak.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Okay, well on the hill follow her. Literally, nothing else
to do until we're eighteen. We have to follow the girl,
follow the freak. You have to follow the weirdest person.
You have to it's the past. It's the past. Okay.
I think this is the woman we were talking about.
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You said, Okay, I love Lucille. She is Mucille. Lucille.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
She shows up, Oh my god, she's the random friend
who gets brought along and is like, Hi, thank you
for tea. Oh my gosh, the local celeb. I've read
everything about you and the strange mystery circumstances surrounding your
near death. I'd love to follow you into your office
and hear more about it.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I loved her. I loved her so much.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Her friend was like, oh, I told her she shouldn't
say anything. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I told her not
to say anything, and she was just like, I'm sorry.
I have to ask half.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
We're in the weird house. I have to where a
family died under mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Also, don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
We're talking about poison. And then the weird one just said,
we forgot the milk and went into the kitchen and
broke something. And still we're all like, no, it was
the princess daughter who did it?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Is the princess? Yeah, I definitely for sure her who
doesn't know anything about it and stuff. I did laugh
when Meerkat was like he wanted her for himself, and
he wanted to steal her away in his automobile. I
was like, not his automobile. Oh no, Leanna, you said
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hello sailor, Hello sailor.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Sebastian I. I had to forgive myself for putting this
movie on the list when he showed up in it,
because God damn, he still got it.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Baby, he still got it? Do you?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And by it I mean a chokehold on me.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Do you have any opinions about actors eating on screen?
I know it's hell for them, so I feel bad
whenever it happens, because now every time I see it,
I'm like, Oh, they probably had to chew that and
then spit it out right. That sucks, Yeah, because he's
just like sort of stuff in his face, is he?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Which scene? Most of them?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
A lot of them, Yes, Unfortunately, at least three scenes.
Because this movie wasn't very creative. I was like, wait,
he was already being mean to Mary Kat while eating.
Oh they're just doing it again. Well that's okay, deepening
my experience, but it is lengthening it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
A long and not deep experience, like the baskets that
they use. What do you think of Sebastian Stan And
I know you've seen him in at least three films
that we watched preously, which ones and saw him in this,
but did not realize he was in all three Captain
America films.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Who was he? Oh my god, I'm sorry? Was he
the bad guy? The friend? The friend? Who is the
bad guy?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Captain America? He has a best friend us from war? Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes. Unfortunately,
my opinion on him is that I see him and
I go, huh, I can't remember who that handsome man is. Yeah,
that's fun. I think he's I think he's totally solid actor.
I mean, he was the right choice for this one.
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Oh yeah, I thought he did a fine job. Yeah. God,
he just looked so good.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You know what I think this was missing was an
actual voice of reason because they try to have him
be that where he shows up their cousin from out
of town. He shows up, He's like, y'all are weird
as hell. He is not a sustainable way to live.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You need to use the bank and install a phone.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You need to use the bank.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
He was.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He worked for big bank and phone. He was there
to propagandize.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But and every now and again he would say those
things and be like, she's being so weird because his
family really weird, and he also was being weird in
the interactions, and so I just felt like I was
slipping around like I was in a room made of algae. Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I couldn't get a grip, I couldn't get purchased.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
So evocative. You're right, he pointed it out like once
or twice. But mainly he's also being insane, like flirting
with Constance. I think they're what first cousins, and then
screaming about how much he's upset with Merycat. But he
kept screaming also, by the way, but like she's burying everything,
(28:28):
and I'm like, okay, king, then get digging. Then dig.
If you're so concerned about all this stuff, go dig.
You can tell that your little You don't need to
guess if that girl's bearing stuff, she clearly is. I
laughed very much when he was like, she's burying a watch,
and Constance was like, she likes to garden. She likes
(28:50):
to bury things. She's gardening. She's just gardening. Leanna, you said,
if I met Sebastian Stan, I probably also would sleep
in a hole in the ground. Afterwards you go, you
run off, and.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I hunch away my little garden hole.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
She's so weird. But I also was like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Mood totally metaphorically.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah. I would just be like, I'm I don't this
can't come on. I did like, there were a few
times where I have to sleep in a garden hole
where she was where she was like, to sleep in
a garden hole. I have to sleep in a garden hole.
I'm sorry, Oh my god, you're so beautiful. I think
I have to go sleep in a garden.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
To sleep in a garden hole. There were a few
you see somebody who's so so striking and beautiful, and
then you realize that they've seen you, and you're like,
I need to go be in a hole. Oh my god,
I need to be in a hole in the ground.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I also liked when she would be like, everybody hates us.
I don't want to go in the town. Everyone hates me,
because that's how I'm about going to parties in la
're like, I don't want to go. I don't like them,
but they they hate me.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
What was up with why when she had to go
into town did her sister take her pigtail braids and
tie them at the back.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I didn't one thing. I didn't notice that. Each time
she was like, you'll go into town, you'll do this,
And while she's doing that, she's tying her two braids
together at thet I have a memory of her like
touching her hair and doing her hair to prepare her
I didn't know she was doing that. Dumb shit. That's
not a hairstyle, right, that's honest. I've never seen that.
(30:33):
Is she afraid she's gonna get Is that something from
the fifties to show that you're going to town. I
don't know you're gonna get into Like, oh don't, I
don't bother me. I'm on my errands. Yeah you can tell,
cause my pigtails are tied together. That's a rand we're
gonna have to look into. It keeps me on my errands.
Right in Leani, you said this is so true. Standing
(30:54):
next to a relative who was taking forever to say
whatever about nothing. This is about their uncle. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I when Sebastian's in the garden with him and he's
like those oaks.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Were planted by your great grandfather, and Sebastian stands like
they're beautiful. Yeah, like they slant. Okay, what are we doing?
What's my role here? What do you want me to say?
(31:33):
Thank you? Thank you. I loved when that man started
going my box.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, your next note is my box, My boy. I
loved he was like, I need a box. I'm gonna
need a box. I'm thinking I need a box for
my papers, and he it was a good call. It
was in the nick of time because those papers.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
There was soon a fire and that was the only
thing that survived. Yeah, not buoyant, you said, Uh. Father
said everything that mattered was in America. Okay, so he
was an idiot. Father said everything that mattered was in America. See, like,
let's explore that. Your father. Joseph McCarthy talking about what
(32:20):
are we learning culturally about these people? I don't know.
I don't know, I don't know. You said, was this
a play? Derogatory? It feels like that. It really felt
like a play, And I didn't like that. Honestly, I
thought Alexander d Dario did a really good job. I mean,
I think everybody was doing a good job. Sometimes Sebastian
(32:43):
stan was making choices where I was like, well, you're
pretty who cares, but she Yeah, I think the performance
she had that like vacant stare where she was very
clearly like dissociating by by way, yes, being the perfect
sort of like housewife figure, and she's like, I'm not
gonna think about anything bad or I'm not even.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Getting clear like okay, there's some sort of trauma, right.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
She's not even just pretending it didn't happen. She's just
like okay, yeah, yeah, okay, that was Yeah, they're gone.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
She's unreachable.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah m hm.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Which again, when they sort of reveal at the end
the reason that meerkat poisoned the parents, it's like, yeah, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And she also has a really insane attachment to her
sister that I wish they'd explored a little more because
I didn't realize, Yeah, she's so weird, she's obsessed with it. Well,
and it's like because throughout she's been stopping her sister
from being able to live her life and go with
hot Fireman Gym in his automobile yeah and whatever. And
it's like you're not actually protecting her, You're you're holding
(33:50):
her bag. But that wasn't explored. Yeah, I want to
see more of their code appears a hot take.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I wanted those cousins to kiss.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Ok, me too. It's like, if you're gonna hint at incest,
just do it, just do it, just do it. And
do I stand by Do I stand by this? For everything?
Not at all?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I get no, But I guess in this one, I'm
like they were meaning heavily toward it. It's like in
White Load of season three.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, thanks for shure.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
We were immediately hinting at it, and it was like
eventually they're gonna have to and they did and they
did and it was.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
A surprise and they did and they did. But this one,
he is so shirtless this minutes after minutes after us
being like I love that women don't show too much stuff,
and that's particularly about the abuse stuff. But yeah, they
keep it vague and show the inshirtless hot man to kiss. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean they were both into each other. My god. Also,
(34:47):
that's the thing is, I'm like, you're implying they are
hooking up, so I mean, he's not. It's not like
their brothers, sister. None of us are going to be disturbed.
These are just two actors making out, So we'll be fine. Yeah,
I don't know about their color, we'll be better for it. Actually,
we were saying, we're like I wanted Sebastian and Alexandria
to kiss. Sorry if you didn't know that. If a
character didn't know their cousin when they were a kid,
(35:08):
is it even really that incest? Incest? Because in the
olden times in the way like cousin Charles, Yeah, they
did really keeping cousin Matthew, but he had seen them.
He was like, I haven't seen them in years, have
seen that was crazy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, it's true.
Hm hmm. Nobody was the good guy in this. I
(35:32):
guess in the end you're supposed to be rooting for Constance,
I guess, but like you said, she is very weird.
I do think that it's like they're kind of unrelatable, strange. Yeah,
some things about Spastian stan Leana. You said you got
to use two fingers. Sebastian, you can't just say that,
and then you said, I am not okay smiley face,
and that was near you talking about that when he
(35:56):
comes out of the bathroom. Okay, I forgot about that
scene stopping That was probably the best scene in the movie.
I'll say that was that was female directing at its peak,
which is that this is incredibly hot and wow, but
everybody was just like staring at each other a uga
(36:18):
as hell. Yeah, which is that she saw her she
sees a man without his shirt on who's not and
he's so hot. But for the first time, he's so hot. Okay,
this is very true, Leanna. You've said, Mama's you are
going to die of asbestos if you don't leave this house.
They need to go and like smoke smokes and you
(36:42):
also this very related.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
You said, so did they pick up any of the
food that pissed me off?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
That was the mystery for me. That was the real mystery.
You would like that. Yeah, one hundred people leave delicious
food sitting out there. I've been so cool. Chicken, a
roast chicken with fresh vegetables, pie and a pie and cookies,
fresh vegetables from the vegetable area. I bet he picked
those from the vegetable area. Fresh fresh. They're just like,
(37:10):
I'm gonna make gruel, well siper gruel because we hate
them out there. Shut up, just eat the food. Just
get that nice delicious. Do you think they thought it
was poisoned? I guess that would make sense, But but
other people don't do that. That's your guys' thing, that's
your whole thing, and that's actually just one of y'all's thing. Yeah,
(37:30):
and it's the one that we thought it was the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, everyone, we're taking an ad break. So you've got
three minutes to loot a burning house and then roast
a chicken in apology.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
We'll be right then to roast the chicken at the fire.
Oh and Leona, your final note. Weird movie, weird movie. Yeah,
I agreird movie. Not very good.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
It was weird, not very good, but satisfying well, spooky
for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Should we move on to enjoy this spook?
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yes, let us dig up our segment badges and tradges
where we award badges.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
For banging your hawk cousin, no baths for bathtubs.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Badges for baths, and tradges for a terrarium like lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah. I like that very in the dirt with a
lot of glass around it. My first badge is for
it ninety four minutes long? Thank you? How did it feel?
Three and a half of those were the credits. It
did feel it felt much longer, but it wasn't and
it wasn't I have a badge for a pond. When
this movie started, they just showed the beautiful nature by
(38:54):
the way, looked it up Ireland. They showed the beautiful
Irish nature.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
They filmed this in Ireland.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I want.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I guess we don't have like and we don't have
like a castle like this, even though I couldn't compare
it to any like quote unquote castle or manner that
I've seen, just it was like made of stone but
looked the shape of a regular house. I don't know. Anyway,
I looked it up and it was indeed Ireland. So
when it began, I was like, this is absolutely gorgeous
(39:22):
and I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh dang.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
A badge for Stella, the woman who owns the diner
and is nice to mer Cat.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, I like to better go. You gotta go. You
should go respectfully, you should.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Move it along.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Jim Badge for and one thing I will give this
movie little cookies. There were little cookies around and I
love that. I love that. I love a little cookie.
That's a huge badge. Way to go, huge.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Badge badge for I love spooky gay Uncle Julian.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
My box, my box, Wait to get up every day
and do your work, Uncle Julian. Okay. Badge for the painting.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That they had the family painted, painting that family portrait.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
It was so cursed. I don't know, Okay, it was cursed.
And uh the paintings it really looked like them, it did.
That's a fun thing to keep going back and forth to.
All right, m right.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Badge for I love the hebgb's he gets. When Sebastian
Stan was getting real spooked by the family, specifically meerkats antics,
he was being pretty funny about it. Badge for this
dust free household.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
They did an amazing job. I can't. I want. I
want to dust as well as them. I want to
dust as well as them. Getting those corners, it is beautiful. Well,
just clear your schedule every day. Yeah, from now until forever.
Round for tuesdays. Yea, go into town.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Badge for calling it the bone yard. When one of
the towns people goes wonder how long before this one
ends up at the bone yard? I said, thank you,
that's awesome. Let's bring back bone yard. Yes, I love that. Yes,
I love referring to the graveyard as the bone yard.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
It's a yard of bones.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
He's at the boneyard now taking a little visit to
the bone yard.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I love that those are all my badges.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Ooop badge for that shot of Constance looking upward at
the dome when the house is burning. Yeap, where it's
shot from above. I thought that was a very cool shot.
Badge for all the cat lived. Oh, and that's my
last badge.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Trages.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Trag is a trage for you dirty finger nails, Jim
Jim firefighter Jim has dirty fingernails. You do like a
close up.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
At trage for it somehow felt longer than an hour
and a half, which is not good.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, Trag for you a jello, a lot of things
made in molds at the dinner table, and.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Trag for not very well paced. I think Slash some
scenes felt very repetitive and not in a cool way.
M Yeah, trage for a man struggling with a hammer
is an ick. Sebastian is trying to get a nail
out of the step and he's just having a hard time.
(42:43):
And I thought there was going to be more to
that scene, but that was it awesome and I was like, oh,
trag for I like a lot of the ideas, but
wish we could explore them. Yeah, oh that's an idea.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's the first draft.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, a trage for we all know you put it
in the sugar. She's like, I put it in the sugar,
and Constance is like, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I'm like, I also know.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I know.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
We all know. I know I could tell because of
how you are. I know I knew because it was
just you and me here at the house and I
didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And most of what you say is reciting facts about poisons,
So yeah, I figured it out. Also, why didn't they
finish the job with the uncle? They had plenty of opportunity.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
That's true. I guess they were like, he's fine. Wait.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Also, did she on her trial?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Was the verdict She's guilty, but too pretty to put
in prison, That's what they said, which is I guess
why she tried. She was like, I need to be
the one who's tried, because they Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
The gorgeous thing will throw you in jail immediately because
you are a free I.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Have blue eyes, gorgeous brown, You're obviously going to jail. Gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I can't be locked up. I'm gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I'm obviously too, pretty different in jail, So.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
The beauty pass of the law. Well, should we move
on to our next segment?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yes, yes, of course. How to pretend you've seen this film?
Oh my gosh, it's spooky season. You're at a Halloween party.
You're at a Halloween party at a at the big
house outside of town, the boneyard, at the boneyard. Yeah,
at the boneyard, and you're just burying something. You're burying
something because that's what you do, and that's what girls do,
(44:40):
and that's fine. And cousin, Charles, Cousin Charles comes up
to you and he says, Wow, this boneyard reminds me
of a little movie that I saw. It's a you know,
it was okay, based on based on a story about
a pretty good guy who comes in visits some his cousins.
(45:02):
I never read the book, but I watched the movie
and that was sort of my takeaway. A brave and
noble guy bringing no absolute hot, hot hot. You have
a cousin, and I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you all
about this movie. I'm gonna tell you everything in the
world for a while.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And in order to well, Barry cousin Charles. We're gonna
give you a few sentences you can say to pretend
you've seen the film. We have always lived in the Castle.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Oh man, Well, yes, cousin, cousin, what again, Charles, Yes,
cousin Charles, I've seen the film. We have always lived
in the Castle. Unhappy with previous adaptations of Shirley Jackson's work,
including The Haunting nineteen ninety nine, Jackson's eldest son, Lawrence,
(45:53):
worked closely with the production to ensure the film kept
the book spirit. Did it? I don't know. I don't
think it's it. It's too bad. I do want to
read the book. On the bright side, Yeah, I am
intrigued by the book. Now was Shirley Jackson canceled for
any reason? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
No, I'm in the middle of burying a large binder,
and I say, oh, yes, cousin, Charles, I've seen We
have always lived in the Castle. Now you keep away
from my papers, you bestarred, oh.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
In, Uh, yes, yes, cousin Charles, I have seen the film.
We have always lived in the Castle. In Jackson's novel,
The Blackwood Home is more run down than is portrayed
in the film. That makes sense to me. When it started,
I was like, is this gonna be sort of like
a Gray Gardens vibe, like codependent formerly wealthy freaks. Yep, yep,
(47:01):
And it probably is that, but just felt a little different.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Hmm, Cousin Charles, what are you doing here? Yes, I've seen.
We have always lived in the Castle. Now, I think
we need to forbid your wandering. Stop speaking to people
about film.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I think we need to forbid your wandering. Yes, Cousin Charles,
I have seen the film. We've always lived in the Castle.
A few last fun differences. The film does not present
the villager's contrition as much as the novel does, even
though they came and left a bunch of stuff in
front of the door. Apparently it's way more in the book.
After the fire, a constant stream of shamed citizens began
to leave offerings at the Blackwood door over the years,
(47:42):
establishing a new town tradition. That's interesting, I say, I
want to know why that would be so significant in
the in the book, because everyone was just so mean
in this one. Okay, Charles Blackwood does not die in
the book. That's also interesting because it did feel very
thrown in as if the movie should have ended, and
(48:05):
then it didn't, and then finally, this is not about
the book but just about vibes on set. Sebastian Stan
and Crispin Glover also start together in Hot Tub Time
Machine twenty seven. Crispin Glover, that was the uncle apparently, right?
(48:27):
What else is he? But his face is so?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Is is Crisp?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
He really looks like his face his name looks like
he looks like his name. I'm having a stroke. Okay,
he looks like a Crispin. Oh, this is the thing
that I'm gonna read later about the differences between the
book and the movie. But the final sentence of this
whole like essay that the person wrote is all this
is to say, we have Always Lived in the Castle.
Is not a bad film, but it certainly is one that,
(48:53):
while very nearly faithful to Jackson in both body and spirit,
ultimately falls short and we needed way more jonas the cat. Yeah,
apparently the cat's a big part of the book, which
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
That cat was so cute? That was crazy, How cute
that cat was. Yes, Cousin, Charles, I've seen we have
always lived in the Castle.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Now I have to ask you to please be extremely quiet.
I love that gay uncle. I love that gay uncle.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
My box. It's time I had a box.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Well, Leanna Shelley move on to our next segment, which is,
of course, should you watch the stories? You should watch
this and if not, what should they do? No?
Speaker 2 (49:43):
No, no, you don't need to watch this. I'm sorry, Sebastian.
I love you, you know I do. But what the
hell was this? If you're experiencing Limerens about if you're me,
you could do what I did during the pandemic. If
(50:04):
you want to watch a spooky film about a family
living in a spooky house and actually there kind of
is a plot twist at the end, you could watch
Oh there's no way, I know what it's called. Hang on.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
You could watch marrow Bone. Now do keep in mind
it's not good, okay, which is flord of this movie.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
It's it's got George Mackay, my other Limerens boy, and
you Taylor Joy. In the director's commentary of this film,
you can hear the director going, wow, the camera just
loves her.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
An actor who I don't trust the movie she chooses
to be in it all. But yes, that's right, that's
exactly right, I would say, well, I wouldn't say watch
that either, So.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
But if you know what you should do, you should
carve a pumpkin.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Thanks for telling us about it though your book, Sienna,
what would you say? I will say, you don't have
to watch this movie. It wasn't very good, but I
think that we should all read the book because I
want to read the book now. I'm I'm it's just
like it somehow this is kind of effective marketing and
that apparently the book is just different in such specific
(51:20):
ways that this person who's writing this essay that I'm
reading is being so nice. They're like, it's not necessarily
bad that they chose to do that, but it does
completely rob constants of her agency and even what happened
in the book. That's really sweet of you to say. Anyway,
I would say that you could read this cause I
think it's it's it's it's an autumn of reading. I
(51:41):
think we're going to read that. Yeah, so I think
I'm I just went to the library yesterday. Oh my god,
I picked up a book. But maybe I won't read
that now, maybe I'll read this instead. So all right, well, Leanna,
what would you read this movie where in the reading list,
I will give We Have Always Lived in the Castle
(52:02):
two bone yards out of five.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Interesting concepts. There certainly some ideas flying around. I loved
the cat. The cat was so cute. The aesthetic I
thought was very interesting and well done. And ooh, baby
Sebastian Stan fresh out of the tub, hello and thank you.
(52:28):
Now what really it needed was a trip to the
boneyard for those two cousins and everybody in it was
a freak and it wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
So there you go, there you go. What would you
read them? I wouldn't have said it better myself. I
would also give the film a two two unappreciated feasts
out of out of five because they didn't pick up
(52:57):
any of the damn food. Yes, it wasn't the worst
movie ever. I mean it wasn't like painful to watch.
I just I got to a point where I was
looking at my watch and uh, it felt like something
that was falling short of something. But in that way,
it was sort of an advertisement for reading, so that's
(53:17):
something it was okay. I mean like some of the
lists were doing their doing a good job at their card,
just wasn't with anyway. We watched it spooky season. Thank
you everybody so much for listening to this episode of
Toss Popcorn. You can find us at toss Popcorn on Instagram,
(53:38):
or we'll be posting spooky memes and posters and uh.
You can find us at patreon dot com slash toss Popcorn.
It was a busy month last month, so we'll be
posting a couple this month of modern movies that we've watched.
And join us next week when we will be watching
A Girl.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Walks home Alone at night.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Another sentence of a movie. I love that. Thank you,
we love you, Bye bye bye. You can find us
on Instagram as at Sienna Jaco and at Leanna Holsten.
Please check the description for the spelling of our dumb names.
(54:25):
We put out episodes every Tuesday, so make sure to
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I need to go into town, so I need to
go take a minute to tie my pigtails together. We'll
be right back. What is that that's so weird? It
(54:49):
does feel like sort of a made up busy work thing.
She's like, hold on, let me, let me tell her. Yeah,
I'm gonna tear your braids together. I'll get you ready
to go. Huh, that's not real constance
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Rewarded for bravery that goes above and beyond the call of duty, the Medal of Honor is the United States’ top military decoration. The stories we tell are about the heroes who have distinguished themselves by acts of heroism and courage that have saved lives. From Judith Resnik, the second woman in space, to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice, these are stories about those who have done the improbable and unexpected, who have sacrificed something in the name of something much bigger than themselves. Every Wednesday on Medal of Honor, uncover what their experiences tell us about the nature of sacrifice, why people put their lives in danger for others, and what happens after you’ve become a hero. Special thanks to series creator Dan McGinn, to the Congressional Medal of Honor Society and Adam Plumpton. Medal of Honor begins on May 28. Subscribe to Pushkin+ to hear ad-free episodes one week early. Find Pushkin+ on the Medal of Honor show page in Apple or at Pushkin.fm. Subscribe on Apple: apple.co/pushkin Subscribe on Pushkin: pushkin.fm/plus
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com