Whale Rider: Benevolent & Girl

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Toss Popcorn is a production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi, I'm Leon Holst and I'm Sienna Jacob. Welcome to
Toss Popcorn podcast, where two idiots watched every film, every
film on the AFI's one hundred Greatest American Movies of
All Time, the very slightly less racist tenth anniversary edition, which,

(00:31):
by the way, you can still go back and listen
to those episodes and are now watching films directed by women.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, oh women. This podcast is a safe whale for
people who don't know anything about movies. Today you're gonna
say it. I didn't know that. Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I saw the pause and I said, please say and
then you did. Today we're watching Whale Rider. Could you
teach me praise.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
About this? At least get it on the An't I
a podcast that not a podcast? A movie that Leanna
saw long ago, long ago, that's built as a family film.
Some could argue is different than that. Not. I wouldn't say.

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It's that warning. There will be spoilers about uh this.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Whale. I love it. I love it each time, might
like that whale of a time.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Content warning for a bunch of whales wash up on
a beach. That's true beached whales, beach whale warning for
beached whales, and really like dickish grandfathers. Yeah, a tough,
tough family relationships will be discussed. Okay, okay, I can't
wait to talk to you about this movie, but first time,

(02:08):
let me please play you my prediction for it. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Oh my god, okay, alright, I'm right, yes.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Hi Sienna, it's Leanna. I'm about to watch Whale Rider.
I saw this once when I was maybe ten, and
all I remember is young girl and she has a
turbulent relationship with I think her grandfather.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, but I can only picture the dad from my
big fat Greek wedding and I don't think that's right.
And I do think she does ride a whale. I
predict there'll be probably some beautiful vistas in this.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Love you ma boom boom boom one correct, except for
the hit the dad from the correct's wedding. But that,
I I see where you're coming from with that. That's
really funny.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Put some windickx on it. They should have put windecks
on the whale.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Weleanna, here's my prediction of this movie. Hi, Leanna, this
is Sanna. I'm about to watch Whale Rider. I'm watching
it with one of my friends who said that he
saw it in theaters. Oh so that's exciting. I know,
tell him sort of the three years ago. I think
that a girl in New Zealand, because I saw that already,

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will be friend of whale, could be confriended. Maybe she'll
have a special connection to the whales, and maybe there'll
be some great, greater political stuff going on. But oh
maybe not. Can't wait to find out. I love you, goodbye,
I love you, goodbye, I love you goodbye.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I think I was imagining that there might be some
like interactions between like the Maori people and the government
of some sort. But it really was not that.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
No, it was all within this or if any of
that was it was like alluded to.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, isn't that crazy that he saw it in theaters.
He must have been like four years old. Yeah, I
was gonna ask how old is he? I think he's twenty,
so that can't be right. Yeah, I don't think he
should have a Whale Rider his family.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I think this was marketed wrong because I also was
sent to it as a child.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
That's what I heard. Okay, so people I've talked to
about this movie when when they have seen it, they're, yeah,
I sat a long time ago. I didn't really like it,
or like it was kind of boring, or I think
it's kind of bad, which is so funny because it
was actually a really amazing movie. I thought it was
a fan like a really really good movie. Thank you
for recommending it. It was. It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Oh my god, girl was such a good character Oscar nominee.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
She really deserved it. It was amazing. All the symbolism
was really working on me. I was like, so I
was really in it. I was like just crying for
their culture. It was beautiful. But a lot of people
saw it when they were like five, and it was
built as like free Willy or something, and I think
it probably was like this was really boring.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
This was not free Willy, and this will fall on
useless ears if white children are sent to it too early.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
And it's just like it's a very nuanced and emotional movie.
It was building you have like.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
You have to have a capacity for reverence right to
enjoy this film. And children don't, no, not that, but
it's not for them.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, I was a Catholic child, and I think I
did well. Yeah, okay, I don't think you'd whale. No, no, no.
The reverence of a child is that they know that
they're supposed to be kind of like behaving in a
reverent way that adults. Yes, that photo of you in
the hallway of your home, that was my first communion.

(05:55):
I love that photo. It's so funny me performatively reverent.
Oh my god, let's hate girl, Hey girl, Hey girl.
This is our segment hey Girl, where we hate girl,
Hey girl girl. I left my pilates class today at
the new plates studio that had, yes, the one that

(06:15):
has not yet closed permanently after my feet.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Have crossed its threshold. And after I as I was leaving,
I bumped into a friend of mine on the sidewalk
who was in front of the movie theater in the
neighborhood doing street interviews, and she was like, oh, let's
interview you. And I was like, I'm so ugly and
I maybe have a camel toe like but they interviewed
me about movies and I was and it was they
were doing like hot takes kind of vibes.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
The question was what's your hot take about films? And
I said, girl, I have been training for years to
answer this question.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh my gosh, this is so exciting.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
You've just encountered the final boss of street interviewees for
your little, your little project. But as it was going on, I,
of course my hot take was that men should not
direct movies. I believe that they're bad at it and
it's we suffer as a result. And as this interview
was happening, twenty school boys like under tens walked past

(07:13):
on the sidewalk in a group with some teachers. And
my friend, who was doing the interview, is much better
as a person than I am, because I obviously shut
down and looked it directly into the lens of the
camera like I was in hell. She interacted with them
and was like, oh, do you want to sing a
Christmas song? And then I had to stand through twenty
school boys screaming jingle bells.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
This sounds like one of your stress dreams. You're so right.
Everything that happened in it is like both the most
amazing thing that also is kind of like, yeah, what
we've been training for. When people ask me that, I'm like,
I have so much to say. And then a bunch
of children saying, and you had to stand.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
And I looked a little ugly the whole time because
I had just come from pilates an hour later. My
hair would have been shampooed, I'd have been in a
street outfit. The school children would have already gone by.
But yes, it was absolutely stress dream esque.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, that's amazing that happened. Please tell me you mentioned
the podcast. I mentioned the podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
It is so funny if I forgot to again, like,
I don't know why I feel this way, but movies
are bad that they're dressed by man. Anyway, there's no
reason for me to know that. I mentioned it almost immediately.
That is so it gets posted. Apparently it was just
like an audition video, so damn they'll view it at
the little company. But if they post it, wow, I said, tex,

(08:46):
that's so fun Yeah, that's my little silly encounter.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Hey girl, Hey girl. Yesterday I made myself an amazing
salad and it was one of these times where I went,
I can just be doing this. I can just make
myself things that taste this good whenever I want. Because
I wasn't using crazy ingredients. I will say I got
a really fancy tuna because I went to the fancy
grocery store, and I was so mad because all the

(09:12):
tuna was expensive. No sprouts. Oh okay, the tuna is
so expensive there that I was like, this, screw this.
If it costs like six dollars for regular can, then
I'm getting the seven dollars fancy one. And even though
it would have cost way less than that any other store,
but I did get it as it was delightful. Because

(09:34):
when you make something and you say it was delicious,
often ingredients end up in there that would horrify. No,
this one genuinely was. Here's what it was. The mass
It was a little okay. I started off with the bowl.
Put some parmesan at the bottom of there. Oh uh,

(09:54):
put some olive oil, Put some apple cider vinegar. We
have these. My roommate made pickled onions that were quite delicious,
so I put pickled onions in there. I splashed a
little of the pickled onion juice in there. This is
this is making a salad dressing.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
To be clear, you're losing me.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, salad dressing. Mixed that with the olive oil and
the cheese. Mixed salad dressing. Then I made my own
croutons with the bread that I have, which is quite delicious.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I made it with with just putting lots of lots
of garlic, get an olive oil on there, toasted it
in the toast ribon made some made some croutons. Uh,
put my fancy tuna in there. Yeah, put a little dijon, mustard,
stirst or stir.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I made these these uh, these these roasted chickpeas in
the air fryer that were kind of crispy and tasty.
I put those in there, and then I had some
delightful fresh lettuce mm and it all tasted so good
I couldn't believe it. And then it took me like
twenty five minutes to eat. I would not salads long.

(10:56):
It take so long. I had somewhere to be. I
was so late because of the salad I was eating.
I was like, I have to finish it. It's not
gonna be good later.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I eat more carbs now than I used to, solely
because I got a b places earlier in the evening
than before I was doing stand up. It takes so
I can't eat a salad quickly.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Why does it take some while just to get us
to get a piece and fit it in your mouth.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's so many little bites.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I alls.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I'm always making them with kale, which takes really long
to chew.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, I can't do that, but I get that. But
I'm also so happy for you, thank you. It was
really a moment of I was like, I could eat meals.
This's delicious for every meal. And I also was feeling
like a little icky before and it just made me.
It was one of those like reviving freshod experiences. But
I know I won't do that because I just ate

(11:48):
all my good ingredients eating that.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, it's so hard. It's impossible.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's impossible to eat things, to get the right amount
and to eat them. If anybody has any advice, right in.
But yeah, that's kind of uh, that's kind of my update.
Is that A.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's I love that. Maybe I'll go out and get
some salad ingredients. I'm at a stage now where I'm
in denial about needing groceries. I keep just buying, like
doing little shops.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, little little shops. Yep, that's what I did too.
I had I think of chickpeas and the lettuce was
almost dead. But I but I but I brought up.
You got it back.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I there's nothing more satisfying than getting in at the
last minute with some lettuce.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I peeled back those those heinous outer layers, and beautiful,
beautiful lettuce was inside, and I said, fine, I'm eating you.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Great, but I have to.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I'm going to eat you.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'm going to eat Oh my god, speaking of communicating
to something, I am going to eat you. Sienna, could
you please give us a synopsis of the film Whale Rider. Yes, no,
one ate a whale, by the way, but no, it
is the whale. That's how whales communicate with things.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, what I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
No, it's when he's training the young boys and he's like,
when you stick your tongue out, it's saying to your enemy,
I'm going to eat you.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I just assumed that you were saying that. Whales go like,
I'm going to eat you. Hi woo.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
That's classic whales. That's my end. That's what whales are, right.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yes, let me give you a synopsis of this film
that I loved, Whale Rider. Pi or Paikia is the
eldest and only of her generation in a Maori family
in which there is a thousand year old destiny slash
curse slash myth of the whale Rider. The first whale

(13:43):
rider was named Paikia. That's who the myth is based on.
And even though she's a girl, her father named her that.
Most people are cool with that except for her grandpa,
who will hear more about right now. Her grandpa or Kuro,
is desperate's searching for a new chief, but he can't
see beyond the strict rules that he believes tradition requires

(14:07):
aka in this case, that the eldest born sons are
the only ones who could be chief in his desperate
but narrow sighted search for a new chief to lead
their culture in the new generation, and in this modern day,
he doesn't see what's right in front of him that
his granddaughter is a little freak girl connected to the ancestors,

(14:28):
who cares about him and her culture more than anything else,
and who is clearly the next chief, yes the end, Yes, yeah, yes,
little freak, little freak. He's like, who could be the chief?
Who could be the next chief? And she's like, I'm
talking to the whales, and the whales came to the beach. Yeah,
I asked them to come. There's a billion whales here

(14:48):
it's obviously me beautiful. Oh oh ugh, wow.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Have you heard that TikTok sound that? Like, what do
you want to do? We could see a movie, we
could get coffee, we could kill someone. Oh I told
you about this last week. You did tell me the
apple orchard. I feel the apple orchard about this movie.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, this movie was amazing. It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Oh my god, it's
sure because I saw this at a young age and
then saw it now and I was like, oh, this
is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
It was really amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
But I don't know what it was like to see
just the one time. Oh, it was fantastic adult. It
was a reverend adult.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
So I watched this after I watched it with my
puppet group, all six of us, which we never do
things together, and we had just done a show across
the street. And actually I had been lifting a paper
mache hand for like probably an hour and a half.

(15:56):
And on the bright side, I am now strong enough
to like lift correctly, so my neck and back don't
hurt today. But my arms were completely fatigued. It was
as if I had like really pumped them at the gym,
and I couldn't move my arms like at all. I
was trying to eat pizza, and I was like, h

(16:18):
it was quite strange. It was quite insane. This is
what it would be like if I was like lifting
all the.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Time getting a pump on. Yeah, sorry, everybody, I have
to go ride around on a bicycle with my grandfather
who kind of hates it. We'll be back in just
a few minutes. Who kind of hates me and blames
me for the downfall of our community.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, he does.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
As soon as it started and it said New Zealand,
I was.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Like, oh, okay, okay. I also, just like Tim, in
movies that are really trying to like study culture and
holding onto your culture and what it means to like
uphold your culture but also be yourself and your own
identity and stuff. It's just such a complex thing that

(17:09):
is like such a such an interesting part of human nature,
and I really interested in movies that are studying that,
and this one was so it was both really symbolic
and then okay, the actors were all so good. I
could not believe, like just even like the kids, they
had these boys who were like doing they were supposed

(17:32):
to be learning these chants and stuff, and I was
so impressed that all these little boys were doing such
a good job because they're like thirteen, they could just
be like, no, I'm not doing any of this bunch
of teens. Yeah. And then the one boy who was
also he was kind of like hoping would be.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah HEMI yeah, yeah, he was great.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I was just yeah, he was really good. I was
amazed same because it already would have been so beautiful
without that. And then this main actor, this girl playing
the pie, was really really just I couldn't believe it.
She was amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Huh uh huh yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
It was so beautiful the whole time. Also, the whales,
I don't know what the budget was. They had these
big puppets, was wondering. I hope they were whales, right, No,
I think they had like enormous, enormous structures. I hope,
because the alternative is they got a bunch of whales

(18:29):
and they put them on the beach. They beached them.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Man. Yeah, oh okay, Well let's get into our phone notes.
There's so much to discuss. Welcome everybody to phone notes.
The segment of the puppet the other person dug on their.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Phone while watching the film. Yes what, Yes, hello, Yes,
your first note.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Is I love the surface of water.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I do.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I didn't know that about you.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I do.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh, I do. I do remind you of the home
the home now. When I was little, when I would
go swimming in various pools and bodies of water as
a child, I I would I want. I don't know
if everybody did this, but I would try to go
down in the water and try to flip over and

(19:29):
make myself as non buoyant as possible so that I
could open my eyes and look at the surface before
I floated back up.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Oh, the surface of water from beneath, the water from top.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, Oh okay. Because I said this to my I
I said this to my group, and I thought everyone
was gonna be like, yes, of course we all did that.
But they were like, oh, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It was like, what what else are you doing that?
Yeahot of like the sun from below the surface of
the water. It feels well. I guess it's like being
in the womb, isn't it. Yeah, you're so right there
you go.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
But I also at the top of it, you know,
slapping it. I just think it's great. What water is due?
I think it's great. What water is up to? Slapping it?
And this movie started and all of us were like, Okay,
we're ready for this to be like kind of a
I think when we imagined it being okay, it was
just like that it was going to be kind of
an interesting story that maybe they didn't execute that well

(20:29):
hmmm it was and it was not that. As soon
as the surface of Water was on the screen, we
were like, this is fantastic. Oh okay, and one of
my one of my friends immediately went, this is my
favorite movie.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Did they make by the end?

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yes, I love that. I really love that. Okay, Leanna,
you've said lmao, this guy sucks. Are you talking about Quodo?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, the Granddad. I went back and forth with him.
Me too, because there was part of the movie where
I wrote down, oh, I really remembered him being that's
like really scary evil presence. But it turns out he's
just stern. But no, he also is a misogynist.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, he has a lot of problems.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
He's just really sexist. He's so very sexist in trying
to uphold the traditions. Yeah, I thought this was so
interesting culture. It was so interesting to hear everybody's point
view because he's not. He's sexist and generally, and you
can tell that that changes generation by generation because others
are like, this doesn't matter so much, but he's like, yeah,

(21:44):
he's the one who cares so much about upholding things,
and he's like, if I'm upholding it exactly as I
was taught it, then yeah, girls can't do certain things.
And when he has that speech about like this is
sacred and you are wrecking the sacredness, like you hear,
you get his his side or that he it's a

(22:05):
mix of that he is a sexist man and that
he's like, this is how I see tradition, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
But on top of that, he doesn't have to be
an asshole to deal with things the way he deals
with them, because it's not all just him fighting for
his culture. It's like, okay, you're being an asshole. Hey, yeah.
But also his son. We for a long time were like,
why did her dad leave? But then when we see
them interact, its like her hot dad, Yeah, her very
hot dad. The people in this movie they really the
hot dad, awesome, super chill uncle, beautiful school teacher with

(22:38):
braces whose only was going to be a huge part
and then.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
She immediately beautiful. Yeah, she got bonped for a blonde German. Huh, Sienna, Yes,
you noted this girl spending too much time with her
toxic grandpa.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I said that when she was telling the women not
to smoke, because she's like, it's not good for the
for our Maori line, for.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
You to be a child, the child bearing women must
not put their whatever systems at.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Risk, which and then that would prove to be Actually
what the movie was about is that this little girl
is spending too much time with her toxic grandpa.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, it's such an interesting depiction of that kind of relationship.
I guess would we call it abusive or there's I
feel like it's it's a topic style. It's a toxic
relation where he's very distant from her, but that only
makes her want his affection more, which I think is

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very common, especially for like a child parental figure dynamic.
It's interesting command they really portray it, like at the
end when she's like, you're my guest of honor, please come.
Even though he's been like vile to her or just
like so rude he.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Becomes at times because at first know at the beginning
of the movie, you know, he picks up from school
and he does really love her. He doesn't think of
her as like being able to be capable of like
being the chief or whatever. But he's like teaching her
about her history and everything, and like I think he's
he's feeling somewhat optimistic that like this is his lineage

(24:17):
and that he can teach this child. And then when
his son comes, her father visits, he just like he's
thinking about the way that this destiny supposed to be
fulfilled and da da da, And then like he's so
clearly it's tragic to him that his son has gone
off and is just like not staying with the family
anymore and he's starting a life in Germany and whatnot.

(24:38):
And then it's like she represents something to him, so
he starts just treating her so badly. He like ignores her.
He's like, you know, get out, leave and you can't
be here, and mainly just like yeah, not picking up
from school and being so like she's not useful to me.
Is that what he said, she has no use to me. Yeah,
it's like he's trying to be distant from yeah, just

(25:03):
like normal human relations because it's just so cruel. But
he really does. He like completely starts ignoring her. It's like,
I know that everything is symbolic to you and or
is representative of something else, but like this is your
granddaughter and you are one of the only guardians she has. Yeah,
it was so interesting all this. They really they really

(25:27):
pulled it off. Okay, Leanna, Yes you did see say
I see how this movie wouldn't appeal to a ten
year old. Yes, everything I just said, it's not really
ten year old material. If you think you're going to
see a movie.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
About whales, you got to see a little bit more
of life to then appreciate this film.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, you've said. Okay, we were kind of asking this too.
Leanna said, who came up with wales? They are? Why
are they so big? Big? They're so big? We were
also that one was a big chubby whale. It's like
that guy is just floating around whale. They are so massive.

(26:09):
Later when they wash up and the whole town's trying
to move them, and it's like that is just a
massive creature.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
It's a mass, a huge mass.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Whales are saw so we need to protect them.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Why are they so big? They were like the first
thing come from whales. Weren't they up there in terms
of things that existed? They're old as hell. Dang, okay,
let me look at all then, My bad, My bad.
In that case, how long the whale community?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Fifty five million years?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
That can't be right frame of reference for Oh no,
it starts with whales haven't always been around. Their ancestors
were four legged, right, because they walked into the sea.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
What what I said was completely wrong. They did do
not I thought we walked out of the sea. No.
They That's why they're mammals.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
They know better than us. So they're the mammals who
saw earth life like landlife, and we're like nope, and
turned around and went back into the sea.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Wow, good for them.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
By the way, I was completely wrong. It was like
four million years ago or something.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Whales are crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Speaking of whales walking into the sea, you've said this
movie walked so Mawana could run. What are your thoughts? Yeah?
Also being a lady chief upholding the culture I have
always been on this island.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Everyone's talking culture, I really think.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And no one leaves, and when they do leave, we
get mad.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah. It was really a good girls. The amount of similarities.
I mean, I think also in mo Wana too, there's
literally a whale rider. Really there's a guy who shows
up on a whale. I kind of think it's maybe
the same, like from the same legend, and I do
think was inspired, Oh this this is this is Moana

(28:03):
but for adults with reverence.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Right, and where a child of that age is played
by a child of that age. And it's really notable
how very small she is.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
She's so small. I think children were sent to whale
Rider because they needed to Mawana at the time.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes, now they can watch Mawana as a child.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Now they can watch Mowana as a child, And then
I have a bit of an understanding for whale Rider.
And in Moana, the grandma is teaching the children about
their ancestors and the history and the legends. I loved
the grand There was like a threat to the community
of some sort.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, I loved the grand The grandma was like, my
husband is an asshole.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
And she was like, I will divorce him if anybody
tells me to blink once and I will divorce him.
Please somebody, anybody at all.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
And when she finally is like, because they are in
they are in this culture and culture is sexist everywhere.
So she's like, she's like when she's empowering Pie to
like go and and just stay with at Chief School,
She's like, figure it out, and it's not gonna be easy,

(29:17):
but figure it out. You can do it. You can
do it, honey girl.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Honey girl.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
It's so sweets. So I love her watching and just
being like, you got this. You're the one. I know
you're the one. Yeah, Leanna, you've said pretty obsessed with
this benevolent whale. I'm loving that. We had lots of shots.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, like just the concept of a benevolent whale who's
looking out for you, You're watching over you.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I do think that's what when you call.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Them, the whale will come.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I just love I love the idea of there being
a big, benevolent whale out it's out there, it's thinking
about you. I guess is that how people feel about God?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah? It would be actually probably a lot more helpful
for people if we just admitted that God is a whale.
I believe God.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
God, you believe God, You'll believe God is a whale.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, Siena, you wrote God, this is so true. You said,
by the way, it appears she is the one and
only girl in town. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
By the time they were saving the whales, we pretty
much saw everyone in town. They didn't even pop one
girl in there. She wasn't like, oh hey Carrie, Carrie, Carrie,
Like she didn't have anyone. There were no girls. Hey, Melissa.
All the girls were like sixty years old. Wow do
you wow? And were there? There must have been someone.

(30:55):
She was doing her little dance with everybody at the school. Oh, yes, right,
because we saw those girls do the girl dance, but
a lot of them were at the end. Yeah, I
guess that's the only time. I don't know where they were.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Maybe they were at girls school, maybe while this whales
were being saved.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Because she didn't have one friend, she was forced to hang.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Out with Coro, and she had hemy kind of they
have a burgeoning friendship. Yeah, that's true, which is nice,
that is good.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
But she needs a little galpal because right now her
only friend is the person who's like, you're not gonna
be able to bear children if you smoke, which like
is not a good vibe.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, now you know who's not a girl's girl, Coro.
Cora is not a Girl's girl for sure. Yeah, everyone
hates him. The only person who likes him is Pie,
and he's like why.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
The woman he's the worst too. The girl he's the worst.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Two.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, we always hurt the ones we love them out
that woman, Pie, that twelve year old woman.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Leona. You asked, are these real whales or I have
to assume props? They have to I have to assume
as well. I think they were big puppets and maybe
they like have to believe they some of the production
value in this. Yeah, but they were all working on
them at the same time. So oh, I don't know.

(32:16):
It was really really, really quite amazing.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
How would you build a whale if you had to?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
It's a great question. I was wondering what material they
were using. I can imagine how they did the giant whale,
because I think they just got a piece. They just
had to have a piece of it.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I noticed that they were spending a lot of time
with the barnacles. My assumption is because the builder was like, listen,
I'm not gonna make an eyeball. Is that fine?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah yeah, because they hadn't see a
whale's eye, so instead they're like putting their nose on.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
When she puts her nose to the whale's nose.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Oh, yeah, because they've been doing that greeting, like the
dad and his son greet each other that way. Oh.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
This movie was very very good. It was amazing. This
is an amazing movie. I really am.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
I'm so pleased with myself, even though I have no
right now. You should have said last week, I think
it's bad.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
But you also brought it to us.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But I brought it to us like she brought the
whales to the beach, which was like what.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
You said, Siattle, Would you ride a whale if given
the opportunity? That is such a good question, Thank you.
I think yes, I think certainly. I think the reason
for that, though, is that because I would, I would
trust the whale to know that my human capabilities. I
would trust that it wouldn't take me down into the depths,
because that would be the daycare. Yeah, it would only

(33:37):
be if I knew that the whale knew I was
riding it.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Okay, And I'm not sure this whale did.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I think it did?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I mean he did.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
He wouldn't get up until she wouldn't mount.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
He was ready to die you're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Okay, that is what she did. Yeah, she rode the whale.
I know. He was like he didn't want he wanted
to die. He broke the ancestors. But then he was like,
he was like, I want to die unless you figure
out the little secret. And the little secret was that

(34:11):
he just wanted he wanted their people to ride them. Again.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I just have to figure out that Pie is the chief. Yeah,
it's Pie Day. I would not ride a whale because
I know that they would go deep immediately.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Okay, you don't have the trust that the whales.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Well, and I would get so cold and then I
think I would explode.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
What happen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, because.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Whales surely they can go deeper than humans and not explode. Yes, yes,
is that right. I guess I don't know that much
about whales.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't know why I thought I really knew about whales.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I go to a lot of aquariums, as you might believe,
but they don't have whales there, but they tell you
about them. Why so you know about them? Just so
you know, Leanna, that's really interesting. Aquariums and zeus. They're
not all about just showing you animals and like having
the animals dance. They're about teaching you about what they
do in nature and teaching you how we can help

(35:08):
with conservation.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I just I assumed that I do think that's too
But the ones that they have, right.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I was gonna say, I do think it's new. I
think that about seventy years ago. They're probably making them
dance and stuff. Oh yeah, the penguins were dancing. Happy
feet came from somewhere. I mean, hello, I do. I
wouldn't want to ride a whale. I think the big
eye kind of freaks me out. I love them.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think they're beautiful creatures. I don't need to be
I shouldn't be near them. If I'm near a whale,
something is very wrong for one of us. Right, the
whale is too clean, or I'm too close to whales.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I think they're very benevolent, is my understanding. They're curious.
The sad thing is we're well in. Some whales are
dicks to seals, and I struggle with that. Are they
really killer whales? Well, they're not whales, they're purposes. They're dolphins.
Worcas are not whales.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It's a myth. It's just a named. Nope, they're not whales.
They're not related. Their thinkest to an aquarium and dolphins.
Dolphins can be crazy. Dolphins are dicks. Dolphins are dicks,
and that's what they are. We do know that.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh my god, Okay, fine, then absolutely fine. Whales good
with whales, all right? Awal Whales are excellent. I'm boarding
a whale right now.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
They are really excellent. I think you would really love wales.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I do love whales. I've been whale watching a lot.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I watched them. I love them so much.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I watch them. Call so I like, you know, you
go on the boat, you watch them.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I don't mean to say that you don't know about whales.
You know more than I do.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I haven't seen what I've said. I don't know about whales.
You haven't seen whale.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
We're fighting, we are. I have not been whale watching.
Isn't that crazy? When I'm from Washington State? Big thing there, yeah,
which is short for whale, Washington state. Yeah, Washington state, whale,

(36:58):
Washington State. It's true.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I can't believe you haven't been whale watching. So you've
never seen a whale? No?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
What? Maybe from very far away. Oh my god, I'm
like a fairy.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
But no, I just have to believe they're really there.
I I've seen so many whales. Okay, whales. You God
is a whale. To you, God is a whaling God.
Whales are God.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I have to believe. I do a lot of reading
on them. I think about them often.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Wow. Wow, Oh Cianna, Yes, you wrote weeks of training
versus the raw and violent masculine urge to mask one's emotions.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah. That when they thought they had their duel. Yeah, yeah,
but she won. She I loved when she went training
with her uncle was fun and she was like, I
need my uncle to help her. Uncle's like smoking weed.
He's like, what what do you need? Hey? Does Corol
know about this? She's like nah, he's like, no problem.

(38:02):
Can you imagine getting to be the cool Austin' stuggle.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
That'd be pretty fun and it's different from being the
fun aunt.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, we'll never have that.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
We'll never experience that.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Crap.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
If you'll excuse me, I called to my ancestors last night,
and now there are a thousand whales on the beach
and I gotta go take care of this. We'll be
right back Leanna. You've said, girl, you can simply dismount
the whale, and then you've said, Queen, I'm gonna need

(38:39):
you to let go of the whale and head back
to land.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
When she was like I was ready to die, I
was like, no, no, no, let go, no need for that.
And when she does like, if you can release the
whale at any time.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I have to say one thing about this movie also,
that we were all observing. I had no idea what
was going to happen at any given time. I was
on the edge of my damn seat. And because it
was so like mythical and legendary, I was like, they
might sacrifice this girl. They might have her go to
the bottle.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
And I was like, man, she might die in this.
I don't know. But they wouldn't call it a family
film if the protector died.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
If she was swallowed up in the bottom of the seat.
I mean they called it that for everything else, and
it's about like a sexist grandpa.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, fun for the whole family.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Do I have any notes about her on the whale?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
You said you must see that it's you who is toxic, sir.
The whales consense that, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's when he's.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Like, why are all these whales on the beach? Get
away from me, little girl, And it's like it's you.
You're in touch because of you, you're in touch with
things like that. You know.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
You also wrote I would also not know how to
deal with this situation of a town child riding a
whale into the sea. Yeah, guys, the town girl.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Ah, which is the only response. You're like, the whales
are back. Just good, there's something interesting happening here. This
is crazy. But she shouldn't be that far in the sea, Like,
what do we do?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
She's going so quick and so fast, And you did
also your final note is it's undeniable that she's riding
that whale.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Undeniable because Coro has ignored everything else. He's ignored every
single facet of her personality that is perfect for what
he's looking for. And then she rides a whale and it's.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Like she's like, okay, I will become literally a whale rider.
Are you now getting it?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
The things that we do for attention to impress the
people in our lives who won't give us a toime to.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Impress, and just like prove to the men who refuse
to a woman has to ride a whale before you
give her the damn job.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, give her the job. Oh my god, I'm on
a whale. I'm riding the whale.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I swear, I promise I'm qualified for the job of
whale rider. I'm riding a whale.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah. And so she she rides the whale. She finally
does let go, and then they don't find her. No,
they don't find her until someone calls and they're like, hey,
we have a little girl who was like washed up.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, we assume she's yours because there's just the one
girl as we know.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, there's one girl, and she's yours.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Presumably it's yours.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Anyway, Oh, should.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
We badge and try?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Okay, we're gonna ride a whale into our segment Badges
and Trages, where we give badges for Bileen and trages
for trapped whales.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
My first badge is for, as we've said, really great actress,
I mean really one of the best performances we've seen
in all of our movie watching. Oh yeah, when she's
doing her speech, I couldn't believe she was a child,
like I know. That speech was so amazing. It was
so sad.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah. I have an immediate badge for New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, come on, give it up, come on, we all
love that place. It is so gorgeous. It's amazing that
it exists on this earth. I have a badge for
so Lush because it was so lush and green and gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yes, my next badge is for Vista's smiley face.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, it's just where someone said at one point They're like,
this would be such a great place to be this
stoner uncle, because when you're sitting on your couch and
you're looking at that gorgeous, lush shore, there was so
much land. I have a badge for Chubby Whale. Loved

(42:45):
this chubby whaleh.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I have a badge for I Love the Grandma and
that she keeps threatening to divorce him.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I also my next badge was also for I Love
the Grandma.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, she was so awesome and from the beginning when
she goes up to him at the hospital and she's like,
acknowledge your granddaughter.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Every time we.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Were starting to she's got an ally feel stressed. Yeah,
she was such an ally.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
She would come up and be like, Okay, you didn't
did you tell her that you didn't pick her up
and he's like, uh no, and she's like, you picked
her up every day for her whole life, and now
you don't, You're a dick. I love her.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yes, A badge for dang. I do see why she
was nominated for an Academy Award.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
She really deserved it. Mm hmmm, she did great. Badge
for the acting generally, hm was so good. I don't Yeah.
This was also I think because this movie was such
like a love letter. I think that this person who
made it, this was like a story that she'd been

(43:50):
writing for a while. It's just so I mean, I
guess that's why she made it so amazing. But to
be able to also have a pre auction value this
high and like bring in so many great actors, it's
just like it was just able to be a masterpiece.
I was really impressed at the kids, because kids are
usually just such so hard to watch act They were

(44:14):
all doing a great job.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, they were cute. My final badge is honestly hell.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah. Okay. My next badge is yes girl, yeah, yes,
oh yeah, that's my last badge too. Yes. Oh, we're
saying tragic tragis.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I think I have to me as well.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Oh my god, we're synced up.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Okay. My first trage is an immediate trag for dead mom.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah. Yeah, it's the only way to have then experienced
things is by just killed. Yeah. Trage for Coro is
a dick. He was such a dick. He was actually
so mean.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah that's true. My other trag is a just really
really big frowny face for a whale dying.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
That was so so sad, and my version of this
I was also very sad about the whale dying. But
I've said trage for sad children. When h Hemy was
sad about his dad. Oh yeah, he's crying and right
his dad came to watch him and then he leaves

(45:31):
and he's like, well, is you for dinner? Like they're
just trying to get them to notice them. Nobody cares
so sad.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
What I will also say is this movie handled the
death of an animal in such a directed by a
woman way where it was really beautifully communicated and there
was no gore. Yeah, and there was so much like
love and respect. Everyone was true.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Trying to help but they could and they were also sad. Yeah.
There were a lot of things in this where I
was like Damn, this is really directed by a woman
in an amazing way. Women.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Oh yeah, well, let's beach ourselves on our next segment.
How to pretend you've seen this film?

Speaker 1 (46:17):
This is for you.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Are on the beach, yeah, the beach, looking at your
favorite thing, the surface of water.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yep, yep, and coral comes up to you. Yeah, he says,
I hate you. Oh, he says, get out of here.
Girls in the back, Girls in the back, Get out
of here, girls in the back, girls in the back.
You say I have the right to be here, sir,
he says, girls in the back, get out of here.
Go go, go go. You're like your energy is very aggressive, insane.
And he says, you know, if you want to understand anything,

(46:50):
if you want to understand what I'm like, then you'll
go watch a movie Whale Rider, in which there is
a man who nobody understands and everybody is being really
annoying to h and he's just standing up for what's right.
Bye bye by saying rude things to women the whole time.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
And in order to hit Chorro with a sacred stick,
We're gonna give you a few sentences you can say
to pretend you've seen the film Whale Rider. Yes, Chor,
I've seen Whale Rider. Could you please actually just let
me know really quickly where in New Zealand this was?
And do you have room on your couch for me

(47:27):
to come stay there? And actually by your couch, I
mean your son who smokes weed?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Oh damn. Direct director Nikki Carro insisted the Wariri, uh,
paratine partene, stay in character, who has played like grandpa? Oh,
stay in character throughout the shooting process. That is all unfortunate.

(47:55):
Oh no, Hey, don't get me wrong. He did a
great job acting, but uh, he was so mean. I
wonder if that just meant that he had to be cruel.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Or at least stern. I guess when you're working with
a child actor, it's like you gotta take measures. Yes, Coro,
I've seen Whale Rider, and I'm not getting in that
boat with you to go get the necklace you just
threw into the sea because I'm here with my friend
Bubba and Bubba's got a cold and I can't swim.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
That was so funny. That line was, so Bubba's going
to cold and I can't swim.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Can't sweet, well, can't sweet?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yes, Coro, I have seen the film Whale Rider. At
the time, thirteen year old Keasha Castle Hughes was the
youngest ever nominee for a Best Actress Academy Awardesome.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
You know, I do think it's good that she was
nominated but didn't win, because I don't think we should
give awards to children that adults are also nominated for.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Uh huh oh. Psychologically, that's crazy. I forgot to say.
That is crazy. I forgot to say. A trage of mine,
generally is that I was looking her up and a
lot of the things she was awarded for was like
most Promising Actor, and that could not as somebody who
was a precocious child who became a burnout. That is
like the worst thing that you could give to a child.

(49:20):
I'm sorry. And she had some success later as well,
and she's like a great actress, but like that's terrible to.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Be, like, you're really gonna be somebody like okay, right,
I'm let me just get on a way.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, just say like best Child Performance or something not
like you're gonna be really good. And if you fail,
because this industry isn't good to children child actors, then
you should feel really bad about it.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yes, Coro, I've seen Whale Rider, and then I, in
somehow a reverent and not culturally appropriative way, stick out
my tongue at him in a way that says I'm
gonna eat you.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yes, Carol, I have seen the film Whale Rider. This
answers our question. The whales in the movie are a
combination of footage of real whales self no life size models,
some with humans creating the movement. That makes sense and
cgi U Kasia Castle Hughes said that the key whale
riding scene, I guess where she goes underwater and it's
like really hmm, took place fifteen to twenty miles off

(50:26):
shore and was terrifying. Okay, I assumed it was like
in a in a pool or something that red riding
in the water. Holy moly.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
So the footage must have been of when they were underwater,
the footage, you know, when they would cut back and forth.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
To wait, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one, I think. But
then the beached ones that was all props, yes, yeah right, yeah, okay,
but then the herb god, yeah yeah yeah, that's nuts.
Her riding the whale whatever they did, it was probably
twenty miles left and she had to be like, oh
my god, wow, that would be so scary to be
twenty miles offshore in the ocean. No, thank you.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I guess wales move real quick.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I would need to go miles quick someone else in
the water with me. I would not want to be
all alone. I would be so scared of being that
far in the water. Oh my gosh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
No, thank you, ah, Sienna. Let's let's spout into our
next segment. Should you watch this or where we tell you,
beloved and Benevolent Whale listeners, if we think you should
watch this movie or if you should do something else
with your whale time? Sienna, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I think you should watch it? It was awesome. It
was really beautiful. You have to be in the mood
for a dramatic movie, but it was great.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, Leona, what about you? Are I recommend watching Whale Rider? Absolutely?
It's very Gorgentina Gorgentinita.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, oh oh la la, Well.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Thank you. I guess we watched it. No, we have
to write it. Yeah. What would you rate this movie? Leonna?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I would give Whale Rider four point five benevolent whales
out of five. It would have been five, but they
killed the mom and childbirth, and y'all, I was thinking
about this earlier, and what really bugs me about it
is they do that because it's like, oh, well, you know,

(52:25):
that is part of life. But the more we portray
that as part of life, the more we accept it
as part of life, and it shouldn't be part of life.
We need to invest in medicine and safety protocol so
that people don't die in childbirth. Yes, we have the technologies.
This doesn't need to happen. It's very very sad. Thank you,

(52:48):
Thank you. Four and a half Benevolent Whales. What would
you rate the film.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I'm gonna give the movie five whalebone necklaces out of five.
I loved it. I thought it was perfect.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Uh well, everybody, thank you for listening to this review
of Whale Rider. What a what a what a sneaky success.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
We are Popcorn, or as whales say, and you can
find us on Instagram at toss Popcorn. We are also
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you can watch a video of us talking about the
biggest movie of the year, uh huh, and join us
next week for our last episode of twenty twenty five

(53:38):
sounds right where we probably join us next week when
we will be watching.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Happiest season.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yay, thank you, we love you, Bye bye.

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(54:19):
Instead of having teeth and stuff, I'm just gonna be
big and round, huge, big, round, and with a hairbrush
for teeth. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Baileen, Baileen, Baileen Bailey.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Bailey Bailey. That's nice. That is good. I like that.
Thank you.