Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show H2 – Jun 20 2022

Transgender swimming update: World swimming’s governing body bans men from competing in women’s events -- with a loophole. Twenty-year-old comedy, Juwanna Mann, is now a heroic film about the struggles of a man inside of a woman's body. Update on the lack of police response to the Uvalde school shooting. Fauci continues to spew lies. Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz hates covid jokes.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are
having a fantastic Monday here as we roll through. Get
you ready for what is officially for a lot of
people the start of summer. I know, kids officially getting

(00:20):
out of school and one of the big topics we've had.
And by the way, encourage you as always go subscribe
to the podcast. Seventeen point five million of you downloaded
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We want June to continue to set that number. It's
crazy to think about we're going to be well over

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twenty million downloads as we roll into the midterm season.
But a lot of you out there, as you are
paying attention to the insanity that's been going on in
the larger United States universe, have a ranking noys that
one of the things that you never would have thought

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would ever be an argument would be that men shouldn't
be able to decide they want to compete against women.
And that's because we basically create massive differentiators for competition
in sports. Because we recognize that there are all sorts
of things that make competition unfair. For instance, kids play

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against other kids their own age when they are growing up.
Boxers box against people who weigh around their own age
because a heavyweight boxer shouldn't be fighting a flyweight. People
who are bigger and stronger in boxing and combat sports
shouldn't be competing against each other. I mean, this is
not controversial, but this past year, what has been inevitably

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forecast and all the people told you it would never
come to reality began to come to pass in great magnitude,
which is men biological men decided they were identifying as
women and they would start to compete against women. And
this happened in a big way in college athletics with

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a transgender swimmer from Penn swam on the men's team
for several years, decides that he is a woman, begins
to compete as a woman, and wins one of the
women swimming championships at the NC Double a event that
was a man who decided to now call himself Leah Thomas.

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And so this is really the first real punchback I've
seen against this, and I want to read some of
the details here for you, Buck, and get your reaction.
The World Swimming governing body has effectively banned I'm reading
from the Associated Press, transgender athletes from competing in women events.

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This happened yesterday. Members voted seventy one point five percent
of them, by the way, in favor of a new
policy that only permits swimmers who transitioned before age twelve
to compete in women's events. And so this situation that

(03:21):
just happened in the NC DOUBLEA in theory, under this
guideline would not be able to happen. Now, this is
a twenty four page policy analyzing all of this. Here's
the challenge, Buck, and this is why, while this is
the right result, I'm actually troubled by this exemption that

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they put in, which is if you begin to transition
before the age of twelve, then you would still be
eligible to compete as a woman. My concern is this
is going to be used as evidence of those in
the transgender community that children being given puberty blockers, transitioning,

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all of those things should be encouraged to happen. So
how do you assess this? On the one hand, yes,
biological men shouldn't be able to compete against women, The
downside here, though, is they've left open a loophole and exemption,
as it were, for people who transition or begin to
transition before puberty before the age of twelve. Well, one

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thing I think we'll be fastening to watch this play
out is who that transitions before the age of twelve
is going to want to without the benefit of, yes,
all of those years of testosterone therapy, because really, what
are we talking about biological men also known as men
swimming against Okay, yes, so who is going to say, well,

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I essentially was chemically castrated at a very young you know,
at age ten or eleven whatever, which we both agree,
by the way, as child abuse and should not be
happening at all. And it's interesting to see all these
people say, well, look at this practitioner or that practitioner. Um,
I'm pretty sure what we've seen in the last two
years is that blue check mds on Twitter who have

(05:18):
lots and lots of Ukraine flags and vaccine needles and
mask emojis on their profiles are not to be trusted
on matters of policy or judgment, and certainly not with
your kids. Um. But so I wonder if this is
even you know, effectively, you won't see the same kind
of dominat's the pond may not even arise as an

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issue you under this, under this auspinity, because you know
it's it's about what's it's about what's fair. And so
if you don't have the biological advantage, as like Leah Thomas,
for example, has roughly ten years of testosterone therapy, natural
testosterone therapy that has changed muscle, bone structure, heart size,

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all of this is sig six foot hashtag six foot
four as well hashtag science. Okay, so that's reality. What
we've seen is the Democrat party now wholesale embrace this
standard of We used to be a society where he
would say, are THEO is that male genitalia or female genitalia?

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And you and I and everyone listening would say, pretty sure,
we can tell the difference when you ask though when
you're when you pose that question as a Democrat, now
the answer always must be it depends, it depends, not sure,
we could. This is what they say about babies, Clay.
Remember they say, they say doctors get it wrong sometimes
when babies are born and they say it's a boy

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or it's a girl, they are they are forcing people
to abandon their own most basic objective reality and sensibility
in favor of a political fad and fashion right now,
and that is what is happening all of the country.
It's happening in the school, it's happening in the boardrooms,
the number where else. They are demanding this of people.

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And it all started, you know, years ago, it was oh,
let's just be uh, let's be courteous to each other,
let's be let's be civilized everybody, with which conservatives completely agree, right,
you treat human beings with dignity, decency, and kindness irrespective
of whatever the you know, the gender spectrum issues or
whatever it may be. But somehow that transitions, pardon the phrase,

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in the last ten years too. Now, when you see
a six foot four guy dominating ncuba a female swimming,
you're you better clap and cheer or else you're a bigot.
So we've gone all the way now. It's doctors don't
know if a baby's male or female. They're just making
an educated guess. Does this happen that? That is what

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they say, By the way, that's I know you know this,
but for everyone listening, I'm not trying to like that's
not This is what activists say. They say doctors get
it wrong, and they're basically guessing when a baby is born,
and they say what the gender is. And I insist
on my right as a person, as a essentient beings,
as a rational human being, I insist on my ability

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to say I can tell the difference between male and
female genitalia. I can tell the difference between a man
and a woman. They can. They can argue with me
as much as they want. They can, but you see,
they want you to concede. This is you know, I'm
always clad. I've been fascinated by the history of totalitarian
regimes of the last hundred years, and it's the more

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aggressive lies that they want you to because if something
is a close call, if the judgment call, if there
are things on both sides you could sort of see.
That doesn't break your spirit, that doesn't make you give
in your rational faculties and say fine, I'll just do anything.
The whole point is to get you to affirm that
which you know to be untrue, because they degrade you

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in the process. They degrade your ability to make your
own judgments on other things too, And that's part of
why this is so important to the Democrats to the
left in this moment in time. They seek to remake
and break society, and one of the ways they do
it is by telling you you fundamentally cannot tell the
difference between a man and a woman. You can't do it,
and they're wrong, and that's a lie. And that's why

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on the swimming issue, finally, one organization is saying, look,
you know, if you've been a man until until last year,
you have a physical advantage because of reality. I'm sorry
if that hurts some people's feelings. And it's amazing to
see the left wing freak out about this and act
like we don't see what reality is. But Clay, I

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mean saying, but what do you think the crossover issage
and people say it's so bigoted not to let Leah
Thomas swim against women under under these rules. The crossover
between that and people that are going to be so
excited if they have children to get their two year old,
not one, not two. But I think it's a three
dose vaccine. That's three doses. I have a huge overlap.
And what's also intriguing and fascinating to me buck about

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this entire story is there's almost no one, almost no
one out there who is involved in the world of
sports at all that will argue in favor of this.
They either pretend the story doesn't exist, or they say
something like, well, you know, that's for the governing body

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to decide. No one will say, even the far left
wing and you know now how far left wing the
sports universe is. There's nobody out there who's a strong
advocate for this. And here's another one that I saw.
Did you see Hillary Clinton came out and got asked
about it. We think Hillary, even though she's saying she
won't run, Hillary didn't and she's doing a lot of

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things that would suggest she might be interested in running.
She did an interview at the Financial Times, and this
was the quote she was asked, Democrats seem to be
going out of their way to lose elections by elevating
activist causes, notably the transgender debate, which are relevant only
to a small minority. What sense does it make to

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depend picked JK Rowling. Of course the Harry Potter author
as a fascist. That's the question she got asked, and
she said, you know, of course, we're standing on the
precipice of losing our democracy, and she basically said this,
we don't need to be focusing on transgender related issues

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in the Democrat Party, even Hillary Clinton, which, by the way,
the trans community is not happy about this answer. But
Hillary is saying something that the vast majority of the
American population agrees with, and most Democrats won't even go there, right,
most Democrats, Joe Biden certainly doesn't. I would love, I
know Peter Doocy listens to the show. I would love

(11:44):
whenever Joe Biden is in front of the media again
for Peter Doocy to say, because this story is out there,
do you believe that biological men should be able to
compete against women like what happened with the pin transgender
swimmer or do you think this governing body it right?
Joe Biden one billion percent. He's seventy eight years old,

(12:04):
he's a sports fan. He's not in favor of guys
being able to identify as women and compete against them.
What would he say in response to that question, though,
how how handcuffed by the transgender community He'll do. He'll
do the good old Joe by the fireplace Grandpa routine
that you know, Unfortunately, idiots still fall for sometimes it's

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not about you know, it's not about that. It's about
you know, it's about middle class and you know it's
about you know, decency, common decency. He won't give an
actual answer. He will retreat, as he always does, to
platitudes for the idiotic, and that is that is this
guy's entire political career. Effectively, he won't but he certainly
won't say what everybody knows, which is that this is

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absurd and this is outrageous. You know, one thing that
I thought about recently play is as as this transgender
sports thing, you know that they used to play the
game of wire. Republicans so focused on this, do you
even care so much? Which is always that's when they
know their argument is bad and they don't want the
American people paying attention. That's always a tell, well are
you oh, there's like two distract designed. This is a

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huge movement, folks, we all see it. They want to
you know, they want to drag your kids uh through
this agenda in school as well too. But as all
this is going on, I used to think, you know,
what needs to happen. The only way this comes apart
is if you were to have somebody who is like
a let's say a male basketball player of the you know,
of the physique of Lebron James, you know, would be amazing,

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you know, six foot eight to seven feet tall, you know,
can you know forty inch vertical? Whatever? Right? I mean,
just one of these guys who are are physical phenomenons,
are phenomena and have them play in the WNBA and
score one hundred points a game. I mean, this is
kind of the joke that um that uh James Chappelle
made that got him into trouble. Lebron James and score,

(13:56):
you know, eight hundred points a game. But what you
see now is that actually what the Democrat media would
do if that happened is stand and clap and say
it is stunning and brave that LEBRONA. James in this
example is scoring one hundred and thirty points a game.
This is what it means to be a good person
in America today. They would actually do it. They would

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mouth the preferred slogans like the little marionettes of the
apparatus that they are. I also wonder how long could
a Lebron James play in the w NBA untily sixty five?
I mean, think about how big and strong and fast.
He would be even identifying as a woman. And by
the way, some of you out there who are esteemed

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brilliant scholars of well, I think late nineties early nineties movies,
may remember this was the plot of a Damon Wayne's
film Juwanna Man. Do you remember Juanna Man buck at all? Yeah,
it's an esteemed member of the cannon. But the concept,
I don't think the rotten tomatoes were very high on them. Yes,
but the concept is it was played for laughs. A

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NBA star gets banned from playing in the league and
so decides to become a woman and disguise himself and
it was played for laughs. Then now I guess Joanna
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(16:49):
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Oh wait, hold on a second, when they're vaccinated they
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(17:13):
That was a year ago. That is entirely catastrophically, categorically untrue.
Clay has he ever said I'm sorry, I'm in a
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(17:37):
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Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Very few shows out there will support police more than
this one. We need more cops on the streets. We
need more criminals behind bars. We need more support for
law enforcement, period. But that doesn't mean cops are without flaws.

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And as more and more of the details come out
surrounding the Uvalde school shooting, it becomes increasingly clear that
this was a failure of epic proportions when it comes
to the response that was brought to bear inside of
that school. Now, to reiterate for a lot of you

(19:48):
out there who may have forgotten some of the details,
this shooter went into the school two minutes later according
to the timeline, the first uve All Day police entered
in behind him. Reports are that they exchanged gunfire in
some way and for a long time. Basically, since this

(20:11):
story broke buck the report has been that the shooter
locked the door behind him in the classroom and they
couldn't find the key and they had to wait for
the right group to be able to breach that door.
Now there is a report that came out over the weekend,

(20:32):
and we increasingly don't know the most basic details here
that suggests the door may not have been locked at all,
and that there was therefore no need whatsoever to have
ever waited in the hallway while that madman was in

(20:54):
there with the kids and the teachers. This matters in
a massive way because he was left in there for
up to seventy five to seventy seven minutes before he
was finally challenged by the Border Patrol guys who went
in through that door. We still buck to my knowledge,

(21:16):
haven't seen any photographs of these classrooms. Were there windows
that could have been accessible as opposed to the door.
But if the door was unlocked and they simply didn't
grab that door and swing it open, how many lives
were lost unnecessarily as people were in their wounded, bleeding

(21:37):
kids and teachers? And when will we know the full truth?
Because more and more this begins to look like one
of the most incompetent police responses we have ever seen
in a mass shooting situation, certainly inside of a school
in the post Columbine era. What was your reaction when

(21:59):
you saw that the door may not have been locked
at all. They're going to delay the final results of
the investigation as long as they possibly can, because there
is simply no way to explain the fact patterns the
reality that we've already seen here that does not make

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it seem like a huge failure of command and procedure
on the ground, and to some of those folks involved,
what's even more troubling, perhaps a failure of nerve. This
is something that we don't often talk about. This is
something that you know, we just assume because we have

(22:41):
such an incredible military and such an incredible law enforcement
apparatus in this country, so many people that work in
law enforcement, who will lay their lives down for their community,
for their country at a moment's notice. That that is
the case everywhere and with everyone. It is not, though
the case. There are always individual stances of people who
may freeze in the moment, who may lose their nerve,

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and there is still reporting, for example, for anybody. And
I know some people will get they almost take it
personally when you say, even if they're not members of
law enforcement, that some individuals from law enforcement may have
suffered from a moment or longer than that of cowardice
here that is possible. Some people take it very personally.

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I would want to know who had nothing to do
with this. Of course, they just seem to get very
upset at the notion. It deeply disturbs them to think
that there could be cowardice amongst some members of the
same way. When I was the NYPD Clay, they had
a term purps in uniform, which is what cops would
disparagingly refer to cops who actually break the law in
serious ways as and they say, we hate those guys

(23:47):
more than anybody because they make our lives miserable. Internal
affairs comes down and everybody. They make the job harder
for the ninety nine percent of officers who are doing
everything the right way. And so you know, we're speaking
about the less than one percent here in the possibility
of the degree of failure we saw in the Uvalde
response from law enforcement. There is still reporting I have

(24:09):
not seen it retracted that there was a girl who
shouted out and it's is one of these things you
read and it's just it's haunting. Who called out to
police outside the window um when they when they called in,
and then she was immediately executed by this mass murdering psychopath.

(24:29):
That was after police had already gotten into the hallway,
already in the building, multiple nine one one calls from inside,
so they knew there were surviving and they knew there
were still there were survivors in there. There were there
was a gunman. It is simply inexcusable that they did
not that these armed men who have who have guns,
who have body armor, that they did not try a

(24:51):
breach to stop the slaughter from going on. There is
no justification for it, and it's hard for people to hear,
especially I think a lot of people that believe very
strong in law enforcement, who believe as we do. But
remember when we opened up the lines, when this story
first started to come together in this way, every law
enforcement officer who called in said this was a massive failure.

(25:12):
This absolutely is an unacceptable response. So you know, we're
not We're not sitting here. We're not sitting here as
cheerleaders for any law enforcement action. That's not the way
we do. And in this case, I think the lessons
learned are going to be really hard ones for people
to take. And it also raises questions about Okay, you say,

(25:33):
if we just have a fast enough law enforcement response,
well that may not be sufficient. They were in two
minutes after he breached the school. How much faster should
have been In that It's almost impossible to think how
it could have been any faster. And I'm sorry the
Pulse Nightclub I talked about this, I believe with you
before Clay on the show. We started to talk about
an affair. The Pulse nightclub shooting was very similar. There

(25:55):
were SWAT teams on the scene very quickly at the
Pulse nightclub shooting in Florida, and there was a long
wait before anybody and he was walking around shooting people
who were wounded, and they said, oh, we were worried
that maybe he had rigged the place with a bomb. Okay,
so you're you're going to take that concern above the
real time executions going on of defenseless people inside that nightclub.

(26:19):
So the policy there has to be a clear The
policy has to be if the active shooter is still
active and you have law enforcement the scene, they go
in and stop the threat, it can't be well, they
call for a negotiator and I know, I know, And
they were getting calls from inside of those classrooms from
teachers and students, so they knew there were still people alive.

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And every profession is filled within perfection. Nobody is perfect
in the way that they would respond. And frankly, we
still don't know exactly the command structure or what those
officers who were arriving were being informed about what was
going going on there. But if that door was unlocked
and there were police within that school two minutes after,

(27:08):
and then there were dozens of police within five ten
minutes in that hallway, how in the world did they
not go in you You've been trained in tactical situations, Buck,
I mean, we were talking about this at dinner on
Friday night. We were out a lot of these police.
I read that the Uvalde Police had just been through

(27:30):
tactical training for how to respond in the event of
a school shooting. To have a failure of command and
response in this magnitude, at this situation is just devastating
to think about it. And I can't even imagine if
you had had a wounded child in there, and you

(27:50):
look back at the autopsy results and you think, my goodness,
maybe if I could have gotten in there within five minutes,
there wouldn't have been the loss of There would have
been an ability to treat some of these kids. Less
kids and teachers would have been shot, and maybe less
would have died. I don't know how you sleep at
night if you are involved in that police response. As

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more and more of these details come out, the final
report I think will be very damning whenever it does
come out. Clay and I do believe that the bureaucracy
involved will slow road as long as possible because it
is such a such a gut punch. In addition to
the atrocity that occurred here that there could have there,
it seems there was such an entirely insufficient response. Again

(28:34):
not you know, Bortach went in. Their border patrol agents
went in as soon as they killed him. In credits
to those guys, but why were they not in the
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Welcome back into the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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We're gonna have our friend Tommy Laren of OutKick joining
in the next Arsh got a new show launching an
OutKick talked to her and just a little bit. Tommy's
always got a lot of stuff to say, and it
is amazing, Clay to see some of the ongoing back

(30:20):
and forth between members of the I think we could
call the elitist media because they're not elite, because they're good,
but they belonged to institutions, institutions that think they're better
than everyone else. And we've had a few of these
fights recently. Even Bill Maher was saying recently that the
Washington Post writer who was now fired, so x Washington

(30:43):
Post writer who came out and said that she thought
that Dave Weigel should be fired because he retweeted a joke,
and it was clearly a joke. He retweeted it, and
she wanted him gone. I also thought as fast to
watch that she Alicia snmes is her name now now
looking for work. I cannot recommend her journalistic credentials to

(31:05):
anybody out there, But she also, did you see, wanted
discipline against anybody who defended Weigel. So if someone does
something bad at your company and you say, hey, I
don't think that's so bad, the new position of the
shrill authoritarian, you know, postmodernist left is you need to

(31:27):
be punished for disagreeing with me that the person who
did the thing should be punished. I've never seen that
escalation before. That was interesting, but then it doesn't stop there.
Felicia Snmez is indicative of a more widespread reality among
leftist women in media these days, who simply not only

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can they not take a joke, they refuse to allow
anyone to make a joke. Mattie Iglaciers Matthew Iglaziers is
a well known left wing guy who writes a lot
of stuff. He's actually he strikes me as among the
he's smart for a leftist. I think it's fair. I'm
not a big I don't know his worked very well,
but he's not like a joy Behar's what I'm saying.

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He's not a total long right, He's a pretty pretty
clever guy. And he wrote this some personal news. I
have contracted the novel Coronavirus. Frankly, I think the virus
should respect Father's Day more than this. FYI, all future
typos are due to long COVID like these are what
we would call dad jokes, right, I mean on Father's Day,
no less, But this is you know, hey there, Clay

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flew in from Vegas over the weekend and boy or
my arms tied like harmless corny jokes. Taylor Lorenz, who
likes to ruin people's lives for a living, using her
person to me to do so, responded to Mattie Glaciers
on this one. I'm glad it's a joke for you,
Matt and that you're lucky enough to get access to
great care. But for those who have had their lives

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destroyed by the virus, and who have had loved ones
die from or suffer from long COVID, it's not funny.
Hope you can have a little more sympathy, especially today.
That is the quote she kept going. By the way,
there's more than that these people have. She is mentally ill.
There's something deeply ram with her. They have totally lost
their minds. You can't even make a joke about COVID

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without I mean, and by the way, to your point,
it's clearly a dad joke, it's not a malicious joke
in nature. These people. Here's a good here's a good
way of thinking. Has there ever been a really great
person with an awful sense of humor? Like? Do you
think that there are really funny totalitarians most of the time?

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The answer is no. I bet most terrorists don't sit
around making each other laugh all the time, because generally,
complete fealty to a dogma is the opposite of humor,
and increasingly that's what you see online from all these
blue check mark journalists. By the way, we've got a
couple of cops who want to weigh in on our
last discussion surrounding UVAL Day. Let's let Rick and Idaho

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start us off. Rick, when you hear these details as
they continue to come out from Uval Day, your reaction
is what, Well, my reaction is this. And law enforcement,
you can either be first or third. You're either first
to the call, third to the call. Doesn't mean that
just because the guys are there that they're warriors. So
you have guys in law enforcement have been there for
years say they've never pulled their gun, never had to

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do it. They were always third to the call. If
you're first to call, you're going to be in action.
And I think that's the big difference. And a lot
of these guys we took calls on this. Your response,
based on all school shooter training is you keep going
until you get put down by the shooter. Right. That's
the reaction from Columbine based on all school shootings is

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you never fall back and try to set up a perimeter.
You go, for lack of a better way, balls to
the wall until you can't anymore. And if you go down,
the next man up does the same. Right. Isn't that
the general training that should be in place in these situations, Well,
if they're trying to kill you, they can't be trying
to kill somebody out yea. So the ideas is that

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you engage them. Hopefully your training and you're you know,
a little bit of tactical work keeps you in the game,
and if they're trying to kill you, they can't kill
somebody based on the facts that we know so far.
I want to ask you, I mean, is it your
assessment that some of the some of these law enforcement
officers in the hallway in a makeshift stack, they just

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didn't want to go in. They were they were scared
they're going to get a hit by that a R fifteen.
What do you think That's it's hard to tell, you know,
because not everything's out. I think if they were under
if they were under orders not too then they should
have disobeyed those orders. Just like in a military law
enforcement you swear an oath, but part of that oath
is is that you have a right to refuse an
unlawful order. So if we were there and somebody said, hey,

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we can't go in, we're going in. I mean, that's
just the way it is. Bob at North Carolina really
quickly he wanted to weigh in as well. Bob got
thirty seconds. Yeah, just a quick note, nobody's really talking
about where the shooter got his money several thousands of
dollars to purchase these weapons. My understanding, Bob, I'm sorry
to cut you off, but my understanding is that he

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worked at a Windy's. Yeah, he worked at a place
and save money. Of all his money, as you can
well imagine when you live at home and you don't
have to pay rent, he saved up all of his
money and that that seems to have been the source
for him to be able to purchase all of his weapons.
We got more coming up here in just a few
Like we said, Tommy Laren will be joining us at
the bottom of the next hour, so two thirty Eastern time.

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And also I want to talk to you a bit
about what Portland is finding out from its experiment in
decriminalization and de facto legalization out in the streets of Portland.
What does it mean for that city and many others
stick around Fleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the front

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lines of truth. M