June 5, 2023 • 54 mins
The truth feels good - RFK Is Emerging as a real viable alternative to Biden. Former VP Mike Pence enters the Presidential race - Chris Sununu will NOT run. Tim Scott goes on the View and Shames the ladies. Jesse Kelly, co-hosting for the hour - takes listener calls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. I hope all of you had a fantastic weekend.
I know, I did, I know, Buck did. I hope
all of you did as well. Summer officially underway for
a lot of people. Your kids are either out of
school or they are very close to getting out of school.
(00:21):
I started off my morning with summer camp routine. Buck
dropping off, soccer, dropping off basketball, the boys, Travis boys,
super busy mom does a good job of keeping them
all aligned. We got so much to get into RFK
Junior not going away in the Democrat primary race and
(00:42):
saying a lot of really interesting things. Nicky Hayley pressed
on abortion. Thought she had a pretty good answer there.
What's Joe Manchin going to do? The Daily Beast is
obsessed with the Republican obsession on trans athletes, and CNN's
head gets absolutely massacred in an Atlantic article Chris licked.
(01:04):
But there's some really interesting quotes there, and I wanted
to start with this.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And by the way, fantastic wee get for you. Everything
good with you and Carrie rolling down in Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I don't even remember what I did, but I slept
a lot and read a lot, So I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's a good combo. That's a good weekend if you
get to sleep a lot and you get to read
a lot. In my book, I was at the Little
League Fields, went to see the New Spider Verse movie,
and spent six hours recording the audio version half of
it of my new book. By the way, Jesse Kelly,
many of you listened to Jesse, many of your fans.
He's got a book coming out tomorrow. I believe he
will be with us in the third hour of this program,
(01:41):
So Buck, RFK Junior is not going away. We had
him on this program. A lot of you responded very
favorably to him, and a lot of what he's saying, frankly,
is just common sense, which is incredibly uncommon in the
Democrat Party right now, and to me illustrative of the
degree to which people want truth tellers. And RFK Junior
(02:07):
is absolutely slamming COVID lockdowns, And Buck, can you even
think of any other Democrat out there who has criticized
COVID lockdowns publicly at all? Can you think, can you
think of any Democrat and you've said, hey, you know,
and I might disagree with him on X or Y,
but at least he's on the same team when it
(02:28):
comes to COVID lockdowns, Almost to a word, not one
Democrat has been able to say anything negative at all.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Can you think of any.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I can't think of a single one off the top
of my head. And I've been amazed at how few
pundits and writers and you know, influencers creators also have
just pretended like they didn't get absolutely everything wrong by
supporting masks, lockdowns and vaccine mandates.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, and so RFK Junior is consistently polling at twenty
percent against Joe Biden, which is a pretty big numbering.
The DNC has got the rig job in effect to
try to keep it from even being able to compete.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So what's But I don't understand this because I get
people that are saying stuff, Like you know, people write
me emails, write emails, and we read all of them,
especially the nice ones or the encouraging ones, the mean ones.
I read and then I'm and then I am sad
for a few minutes. But I appreciate it. Nonetheless, I
want to hear what all the opinions are that are
out there. And I get emails that say, how about
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a Trump RFK ticket RFK Junior ticket? And what I
what I don't really understand is first of all, first
of all, Trump and RFK don't see the vaccines exactly
the same way.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
SOFK is actually more way more critical of the vaccines
than Trump is, which is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Good point, right, I mean that's again statement of fact.
I'm just telling people what's reality. And we all know it, right,
everyone can see that. So they don't they're not even
they're not aligned on that issue, and what what else
would they be aligned on? Look, here's what I see,
you know, I see RFK Junior gives Democrats an opportunity
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to show their displeasure about the fact that a dementia
patient who is too past his prime to put it mildly,
for the job Joe Biden is their option going into
this election.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And I think that they want that.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't know if you call it catharsis or that
that feeling of temporary honesty where they get to say, well,
you know, we really wish it would be RFK Junior.
I see them all falling in line when push comes
to shove, especially as we look at the polls increasingly
clear that Trump is not just the front runner, but
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feeling more and more like he's going to be the
guy they're up against. No Democrat is going to vote
to undermine the president in office if he's going up
against Trump. That's when push comes to shove. Right now
they can talk about it, and so I just think
this is a little bit of a mental and emotional
safe space for Democrats to speak reality out loud for
(05:03):
a second on vaccines. But I don't see how this
has any long term political implications because I think they
will just fall in line when they have to look
at the opposition. Do you see that differently, Like, do
you think there could be a real insurgent campaign here
from within the Democrat Look, Bill O'Reilly, does we had
them on last week? You said maybe.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think if there were a valid Democrat alternative who
was well funded, I think that he or she could
beat Joe Biden. I really do in the primary, because
I think that's how weak of a candidate Biden is.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Has that has this ever happened before?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
What usually happens is the insurgent campaign forces the leading
campaign to drop out, right, Like if you go to LBJ,
LBJ basically because of Vietnam. If I'm remembering my history correct,
and people can can reach out and tell me if
I'm wrong. LBJ dropped out in sixty eight because of
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the incredible pressure that he felt, and so he decided
not to run.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think that's the way it would play.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So, I mean, since the primary system has been in
play since nineteen seventy two and incumbent has never lost
to a primary challenge one time. Zero it has happened
zero times in fifty years, yep, And I get it,
I get it. It would be rare. But I'm saying I
don't think he would lose in the primary. I think
the numbers would start looking so bad for him that
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in the same way in sixty I believe I'm right,
right right. In sixty eight, LBJ came out in an
address and said I will not seek and I'm paraphrasing here,
and I will not accept the nomination if I am
the nominee, and that was He's out. And then Nixon
obviously won in sixty eight because LBJ felt so much
pressure from the left so I don't think this is
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so new. I don't think this is surprising. And here's why.
You go back to twenty sixteen and you had the
Bernie wing, and the Bernie wing in the primary was
catching a lot of steam and it you know, it
was all of a sudden, Oh, we're going to have
an outright socialist as the Democrat nominee. And then a combination.
(07:08):
To be fair, it was a combination of the system
in that case, the super delegates. We all remember that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, it was the craziest thing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
There are people who just get to choose early on
who they're going for without actually having to wait for
any votes to come in. I mean, the whole thing
was such a rig job. But there was that Bernie
faction and Clay I remember on set at CNN back
in the day twenty fifteen, early on in the primary,
there were all these CNN Democrat punnets who are like, well,
you know, the base is really with Bernie. The base
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of the Democrat Party is with Bernie. And then the
cameras would come on and they were on CNN and
what do you think They said, Oh, I think Hillary
Clinton's going to be a fabulous president. So there's there's
often this twenty percent of the base of the party
that will just decide they want to play games and
think about alternatives. And I'm not saying they're not sincere
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in it, but the machinery of the party is so powerful.
I just don't see how the machinery of the party
made buying the nominee in the first I mean, made
him the president in the first place.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Look, I would say in twenty sixteen, remember everybody wanted
to talk about the hack Hillary Clinton emails. They actually
just proved how rigged the Democrat Party was, because the
biggest takeaway from those was that the DNC essentially came
in as hard as they could on Hillary. Now, the
difference I would say there Buck is that was an
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open primary, right because there wasn't an incumbent president. So
the fact that Hillary was weak in sixteen makes a
little bit more sense. What I would compare this to
is go back to twenty twelve. Nobody in the Democrat
Party said I'm going to challenge Barack Obama at all,
if I remember correctly, no, and and that nobody would
have even thought of it. And the fact I want
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to play this audio, I think I think this is
RFK Junior. If I'm not mistaken, the crew can let
me know if I'm wrong. I think this is RFK
Junior going on Fox News and with Harris Faulkner. I
believe because I saw this clip over the weekend and
saying the COVID lockdowns were a sixteen trillion dollar mistake.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I'd like either President Biden or President Trump explained the
lockdowns to us. That was a sixteen trillion dollar mistake.
We shifted four trillion dollars in wealth from the middle
class in this country to the super rich, this new
aristocracy of billionaires. The lockdowns created a billionaire a day,
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five hundred new billionaires, and the people who came into
the lockdown with the billion dollars increased their well by
thirty percent. We closed three point three million businesses without
due process, without chudge compensation. The White House both White
Houses were collaborating with Amazon and with the other social
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media size to shut down their competitors.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I think what he's saying is one hundred sent true
and accurate, meaning, you know, the overall impact of lockdowns
was catastrophic. It was abject. That was abjectly wrong. It's
also interesting that I have people that are telling me, well,
what about an RFK Trump ticket. To be clear, as
you heard there, he's going after Trump for lockdowns too.
(10:17):
He's not just blaming Biden. So we have to go
with the words that he's actually saying and using here,
which is he's blaming really both what he would call
the establishments of both parties, obviously the president on the
one hand and now the president later on on the other.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And I think that people.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
There is an excitement at hearing the truth about this
from a national level figure for the first time, because
let's just take a step back. Who is saying that
lockdowns across the board starting in twenty twenty were this disastrous.
Nobody is saying that they were disastrous from twenty twenty
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in the beginning on. It's generally Joe Biden's extension of
them were completely insane, which they were, to be clear,
But he is going after both Trump and Biden on this,
which seems like positioning not just in a primary, but
obviously in a general I'm trying to say, is he
would run against Trump on this? Everybody, that's the eventual
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goal here. I think some folks aren't seeing this. They're
thinking there's a unity Trump RFK ticket.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
No, RFK would want to go up against Donald Trump
if he could.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
There are a lot of Trump advisors who have actually
floated the RFK Junior thing publicly. I mean, RFK Junior
has shot it down. So I do think there is
some discussion.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I want you to listen.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
He will not There's no chance that he would do
it is the whether I think you're correct. I don't
think he would do it. But here is cut three.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I want you to hear this too, because we talked
about the fact that Democrats rigged the primary in twenty sixteen.
RFK Junior for Hillary over Bernie. RFK Junior is saying
what the Democrats are doing is like what a Soviet
state does.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Listen to this too.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
In New Hampshire, you've got to do politics. You've got
to go into the nail salons, into the diners, the
gas stations, the barbershops. When you go to New Hampshire,
they veg you like you're running for a city council
and they play this important gateway role for the Democratic
Party and the Republican Party of forcing politicians to do
real retail politics and to listen to what Americans are
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going through on the ground. And that's why it's so
key to have that in abolishing that primary in order
to fix the election. It's like the Soviet state when
the party picks the candidate and you know, instead of
the people, it's just wrong.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean again, you and I feel this the same way.
By this class.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, when you hear someone speaking the truth, it feels good.
And what he is saying about how the Democrats have
rigged the system for Biden in their own primary, yeah,
one hundred percent accurate. And when he says that the
lockdowns were catastrophically stupid, destruct and made because of the
massive inflation of spending trillions of dollars. It made rich
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people with assets much richer and made your you know,
everyone else who's listening, your eggs and your gas and
your go down the list much more expensive. And wages
have not even begun to close that gap. So everything
he's saying is true. So it is it is interesting.
I mean, I'm with you that this creates a dynamic
that's worth understanding, diving into and trying to get ahead
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of a little bit as to where this is going,
But I just keep running into what's the play here
because he's I think the.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Question, and it's a great question. Open open up phone
lines on this too. Eight hundred and two eight two
two eight A two. Let's talk about this when we
get back, because my thing is, buck, is there a
level of support that RFK Junior could get? Just tossing
this out there to everybody where, it crystallizes how weak
of a of a candidate Biden is and makes Democrats
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worry about twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
What if you got forty percent?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I think, Clay, I think we're forgetting the power of
the weekend at Bernie's two presidency. Man, I think you know,
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Speaker 1 (15:23):
Welcome back at Clay Sharrabs Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We got a couple
of different news stories that are out there. Mike Pence
has officially entered the twenty twenty four presidential race, Trump's
former vice president. We will discuss that here momentarily. But
news that is also breaking is about someone who is
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not going to enter the race. New Hampshire Governor JOHNSONUNU
Chris Chris Sanunu is not going to run. He just
told CNN in an interview. He also had an opinion
piece that is up in the last what fifteen minutes
at the Washington Post. The headline is, I'm not running
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for president in twenty twenty four. Beating Trump is more important.
This is New Hampshire Governor Chris Sinunu, and I'll read
the first couple of paragraphs.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
He's a Republican at least theoretically, right.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, he won by I think almost twenty points in
New Hampshire. They we lost the Senate race there. I
will not be seeking the Republican nomination for president in
twenty twenty four. And I'm reading directly from his opinion piece.
Our party is on a collision course towards electoral irrelevance
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without significant corrective action. The stakes are too high for
a crowded field to hand the nomination to a candidate
who earns just thirty five percent of the vote, and
I will help ensure this does not happen. The path
to winning was clear, but I believe I can have
more influence on the future of the Republican Party and
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the twenty twenty four nominating process, not as a candidate,
but as the governor of the first in the nation
primary state.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, so this is a big.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Just just for a moment here, I mean, yeah, it
matters in the primary because having a hometown favorite in
New Hampshire would obviously skew results at least in New Hampshire,
which could affect momentum in the other you know, going
into Super Tuesday and all the rest of it. But
I just feel like, if you're a Republican right now,
you're your north.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Star, your guiding light.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
The thing that has to just be you know, the
goal is to take power from the Biden lunatic Democrats
and do everything possible to achieve that in this twenty
twenty four election, to give the Republican nominee not only
the White House, but also to get a Republican president
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Trump most likely, but whomever, a Republican Senate and a
Republican House. So I don't understand, you know, if you're
a Republican, you want your his focus is to stop Trump.
That just strikes me, as where's that coming from?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Look the focus? And I think you're right. So, first
of all, the fact that Chris Nudu announced on CNN
and via an editorial in the Washington Post is very
nineteen nineties era Republican part.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
If you just came out and he just said, you know,
I was going to run, but I don't want to
take my eye off of beating you know, Vivek Ramaswami
or Ron DeSantis. I think that's the most important. Everybody
would say, what do you know it's a fellow Republican.
What are you talking about? That's why I see here.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I agree, and I think it's not a coincidence.
The way he announced, right, this is meant romney esque.
And what I would say is if he and look,
if he had come out and said, I'm not going
to run, because I think that beating Joe Biden is
so important. We have to have the best possible candidate.
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And my plan is to vet everybody running and eventually
endorse in New Hampshire the best. In my opinion, I'm
speaking as if I was a New Hampshire governor, the
best candidate that can beat Joe Biden. I think everybody
would say, yeah, that's what you should do. That would
make that I would, I would understand. I just it
just feels like at this stage when you see what
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the Democrats are doing and how Biden has governed for
four years. The thing you're gonna put out there is
I'm not running because it's so important to beat Trump
that this is the this is the wrong message for
the team. This is the wrong It's again, it's and
I just we have a lot of different candidates in
their staffs who listen to this show. Stop caring what
the New York Times and the Washington Posts say about you,
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Stop caring what CNN ss you.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
They hate you.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
This is a plague on the right that we cannot
get rid of. That there's still this belief among among
very important connected people, people who live part of their
lives in DC. Senators, congressmen, even governor's a little less
so I would say, I think they're you know, I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You know, I am sure this this cloud that he
went straight to the people that hate him.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You know, there are states where I don't think the
governor of Idaho cares what the New York Times says.
But I do think and people are gonna be listening
to us more in Idaho here. But we'll talk about
that in a few seconds. But I think that there's
still this there's still this thought that the cool kids
table is the New York Times, the New York Times
editorial board. And so you want to be the strange,
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You want that strange found new respect in an editorial
from them. And they're horrible and they're comedies and they're
destroying the country. So it really should be viewed as
a strike against you. Like when I see a Republican
getting nice things written about him by the New York Times,
I think to myself, how much of his soul that
he sell out for this one. I'm just being honest.
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That's my first response, my first inclination.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, And this is just to me a pathetic grandstanding,
because look, they hate you, okay, And this is speaking
to everybody who's running the president. They hate you. The
New York Times hates you, The Washington Post hates you.
CNN hates you, MSNBC, they hate you. There's nothing you
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can do that is going to make them not hate you.
And and this is important, particularly as it pertains the
New York Times and the Washington Post. And this is
in my new book, and I spend a bunch of
time on this. Republicans haven't realized yet, Buck, that the
business imperatives of The New York Times and The Washington
Post have changed enormously in the last seven or eight years.
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It used to be that their business was primarily advertising,
so they needed the largest possible audience to consume their
content so they can charge the highest possible advertising rates.
Now they're in subscription businesses, and the subscribers want to
hear Republicans are evil, Donald Trump is hitler, and if
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you don't serve them that up, they leave. And I'll
give you an analogy on this, Buck, because this is
in the book, but I think it's one hundred percent true.
I don't know what percentage of our listeners would be
diehard sports fans. Diehard sports fans sign up, Buck, this
is gonna blow your mind. Probably for online message boards,
like so you can follow your team more aggressively than
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you ever would have otherwise, follow recruiting, coaching, everything else.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
The team message boards.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
They never break negative news about the team because if
they do, everybody who's a die hard fan of that
team is going to end their subscriptions. If you're a
Michigan Wolverine fan right now, you don't want for a
player to suddenly be ineligible for Michigan because of an
investigation that your team message board brought to bear, because
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everybody'd be like, screw you, I want us to beat
Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, that's what's going on with the Washington Post in
the New York Times. They hate you, they want to
destroy you. So the idea that you would choose to
put an editorial in the Washington Post and that you
would sit down for an interview with CNN. If Sanudu
wanted to come on this show, we would have talked
to him and he would have had far more influence.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
We I think we have an obligation here to have
on all of the Republican candidates and hear them out right.
I think that's what we're going to do. We've promised
from the beginning we're going to give voice to and
and you know, if RFK keeps going into.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Here, we had on what candidates period will have on Well,
that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
What we'll have on you know, we'll give voice to
the candidates so you can hear because ultimately, you know,
we're just two guys with two votes. All of you,
there are millions truly millions of you listening across the country,
and this is just a moment in time where we're
figuring out what the trajectory is going to be. And
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and even like I've always said, I I'm like, we
have him on the show, and I don't not try
to fan boy like I just think Rand Paul is ideologically.
I agree with him so much the time. I think
he's so great. And I thought he was a really
good voice in the Republican primary, even though he had
no chance really of winning, right, but he was a
good voice to have. It was good to hear his
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perspective on these things. I think he's a very very
strong senator. There are going to be people like that.
They're going to be candidates who are out there, you know.
I think even for example, Tim Scott. We're going to
talk more about Tim Scott in a few minutes. He
went on the View. Everybody we talked about it here
on the show with Senator Scott.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He went on the View.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
We'll bring you some of the highlights of that, but
just having him talk about his his inspirational story and
love for America, I think that's a voice that's worth
people hearing at this time. I think that he brings
something to that conversation. I think there'll be other people
as well. And as long as everyone's staying focused on
the eventual mission of beating Joe Biden, and I have
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to keep reminding everybody, whoever the candidate is, it is
going to be very hard. The Democrats outplay our machinery
in some of the key states. It is a fact.
Anyone who runs elections in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin
will tell you the same thing that I'm just talking about.
The Democrat ability to get votes in boxes. However they're
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doing it. So we have to all stay united as
a team and understanding what the eventual mission is here,
which is to beat a very I know it sounds crazy.
It will be a difficult uphill climb. That's just the
nature of our politics right now. But I do want
to take some calls cause I think we should take
some calls here. I don't know if anyone's got any
thoughts on some new new running or not. Honestly, if
we got some new Hampshire heights, I know we've got
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people listening up in the Granite State.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
This is what all everybody who covers politics has to
throw you know, the show me state, the grantede state.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
They got to throw that in there so people think
that they know what they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
But please do call him. But also, Mike Pence is running.
What do you guys think about that? I mean, I
really I'm putting that out there, honestly, what do you
think about Mike Pence? He's filed, he's running, he will
be in the mix, he will get more than one percent,
he will be on that debate stage. What do you
think his play is? How does that sit with all
of you? I'm curious most curious about my fellow gun
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owners out there. How much money are you spending every
time you go to the range. Look, if you're like me,
the first time you get out there, first couple of magazines,
probably not right where you want.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
To be because you get a little rusty. Right.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
This is basic muscle memory and mechanics. It's a skill set.
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Speaker 2 (27:59):
All right everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right this moment.
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Speaker 3 (28:29):
Clay I had a forty minute sit down with doctor
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It was like a therapy session to go over. He
was one of the authors of the Great Barentine Declaration.
Just talking about how from a Stanford medical school, you know,
world class medical researcher, how everything they said was wrong
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and it was lies and they knew it at different
times too. That was the part that I found. They
knew they were lying to people about masks, about vaccine
stopping spread anyway. So but that's in the Clan Buck feed.
I'm just saying everyone's got to check it out. The
Tutor Dixon Show is in there too, so please subscribe
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(29:15):
We also had Senator Tim Scott on I'm sorry, all
the weeks kind of crashed together in my mind.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think it was last week we had the Senator
on Is that right?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Last Monday, Senator Scott was on the show That's What Matters,
and we asked him about this because Joy Pahar, of
all the people on the view, said, you know what,
he'd basically called into question whether Senator Scott knows really
what it's like for black men in America, which was
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quite a thing to say. I think everyone picked up
on it. Let's can we just go back team and
remind everybody of his response on.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
This show to what Joy Behar said.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
But there's no doubt a white ladies dressing up in
black face giving him black man advice probably doesn't ring
true in anyone's mind, certainly not my own. But more importantly,
I find it offensive and disgusting and dangerous for a
very different reason. I'm used to having the less attacked
me because of the truth of my life. This proves
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their lives. It is literally the dumbest, most offensive thing
I've ever witnessed on TV to hear these millionaire TV
personalities telling me how to live my life as a
black man, but more importantly suggesting to every child, stay
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in your place, follow my lead, for you too will
reap the same harvest of Tim Scott or Clarence Thomas
or any other conservative who dares dares to think for themselves.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
So that was last Tuesday. We were off because of
a moral day. It was last Tuesday. Who was on
the show?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Uh play?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I thought that was strong but this and we're so
hope we're glad that he got to say it here
on this platform to all of you across the country.
The View, I don't know, maybe the View got called
out so much by their own audience on this one,
or something happened, or they just realized it was it
was an opportunity for ratings.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
The View invited senators. Why don't they invite Clay and
Buck on.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
That would be a show, that would be a It'd
be a show if Liz Chady came on here to
talk to us. It would be a show if they
had us on the View. I can tell you that,
but here is Senator Tim Scott. Here is Senator Tim
Scott sitting down on the view. We wanted you to
hear this. Clay and I agree. This is not a
home run. This is a grand slam moment for him
(31:40):
play it.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
One of the things that I think about, and one
of the reasons why I'm on the show, is because
of the comments that were made frankly on the show
that the only way for a young African American kid
to be successful in this country is to be the
exception and not the role. That is a dangerous, offensive,
disgusting message to send to our young people today, that
the only way to succeed is by being the I
will tell you that if my life is the exception,
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I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I can't. But it's not.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Actually here's here's fourteen years.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Yes. So the fact of the matter is we've had
an African American president, African American vice president, We've had
two African Americans to be Secretaries of the State.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And he keeps going. It's phenomenal. We shared this clip.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm sure it'll be up on clayanbuck dot com if
you want to go listen to it. So this is phenomenal, right,
because the message that Tim Scott is sharing is that
the progress the country has made is massive as it
pertains to race relations and also to opportunity in general.
And one of the craziest things that has happened, and
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this is a big story, is in the wake of
Barack Obama's two terms as president two thousand and eight
twenty twelve, race relations have collapsed in the last decade
or so. A lot of different theories about why that
might be. I'm sure many of you out there listening
have theories. God is Buck.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Now, I was gonna say, I don't think race relations
have collapsed. I think the media pretends that race relations
have collapsed, you know what I mean. It's a difference thing.
So that's what I'm getting. Yes, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
And in fact, if you look at the data, the
media has so negatively I think impacted our perceptions of
race relations that many people do believe. Now, for instance,
I believe it's a Gallup poll that came out we
talked about on the show around the year two thousand,
something like seventy some odd percent of people thought race
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relations in the country were generally good and about twenty
some odd percent said race relations were bad. This is
around two thousand. This is twenty three years ago. Now
over half of Americans believe race relations in this country
are bad. I think the media is a big part
of that, and I also think buck My theory here
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for what happened was you go back and look at
two thousand and eight Obama. It is America is such
an amazing country that even I, a mixed race kid
from Hawaii, can get elected president. That was the message
of two thousand and eight Obama.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
By twoenty twelve, there was more of a racial pitch
to Obama's campaigning. By twenty sixteen, Democrats were all in
on identity politics. So the lesson they took from Barack
Obama's election was the only reason Obama won was because
he was black, and therefore we must have identity politics.
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Whether it's Hillary going out there and saying I'm with her, right,
you're a woman, you have to support me because you're
a woman. And then by twenty twenty, Joe Biden, super
old white guy, is arguing, hey, if you're not with me,
you ain't black, that the Republicans will put you back
in chains. Kamala Harris's entire choice was based on her
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being a black female, and they even made an explicit
buck Biden promised to put a black woman on the
Supreme Court, something we've never seen before, based entirely on
identity politics.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I would say that, first of all, it's just, you know,
it's kind of a theme today people who say things
that we all know to be true. It you feel it,
it inspires you it. There's sort of a calm that
comes over you go, yes, that's right. And what Senator
Scott said, they're on the view about the tremendous progress
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that the left effectively denies for Black Americans and on
all Americans toward a meritocracy. In fact, what we have
now is the left openly going against meritocracy. Right, the
left actually wants there to be a spoil system based
on race, gender, but it's a spoil system against particularly
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white males. That's actually the system that the Demo and Asians.
I would note, that's what they want for affirmative action
in college, that's what they want for hiring, and that
is the reality of America today. But put that aside
for a moment. He's saying something that is true. Do
I think that this is going through This goes back
to our earlier discussion are we going to see a
major change in the black vote in twenty twenty four.
(36:10):
Let's just assume for a second, even Tim Scott was
the nominee, or he's just able to have powerful messaging
in the GOP all along, history would tell you no,
that it's not going to happen at all. That said,
there may be people of all you know, of different races,
black voters, white voters, who just from hearing from a
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man like Tim Scott about the truth of America today,
the Democrat moral blackmailing, They engage in the sort of
moral demagoguery of if you don't vote Democrat, you're a racist.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That may be less effective.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, So that's the only way that I could see
it from an electoral perspective, because the more people see this,
the more they realize what are they really talking about?
What are they really saying when they're claiming that this
country is fundamentally racist and they've expanded the definition of
white supremacy to include anything in society that is unequal,
What are they talking about? Basically, if their identity politics
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pitch is even a little bit less effective. That could have,
That could have some effect. I don't see, though, a
substantial change in I shouldnt even say I don't see.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
There's no basis historically for it. But it might change
this time around, the black vote shifting more toward Republicans.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I mean, it'd be great, But I think it's an
intriguing debate.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
So, first of all, Tim Scott, a lot of what
he says is similar to what Obama said in two
thousand and eight, and the view loved Obama in two
thousand and eight, and they try to call out Tim Scott.
But here's the here's sort of the existential issue at play.
And I don't claim to know the answer, but everybody
out there can think about this. How do you destroy
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identity politics?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Identity politics is a toxic cancer, in my opinion, in
the American body politic, and it is entirely the foundation
of the Democrat Party right now.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
So I actually think that it's a function in part Clay,
I think it has to do with laws. I think
you have to have. I think the Supreme Court decision
that's coming in a matter of weeks here, which we
haven't really talked about, will be a substantial step in
the right direction, because what we have now is a
system of and this is from a Supreme Court decision.
I can't remember if it was a Ldo or Roberts.
One of them said, the racial spoil system that affirmative
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action has created, that has trickled down not just to
college admissions, but also in hiring for corporations across America,
in government grants that are minority specific. You have to
eliminate these things as a matter of law or else.
Everything else we talk about just feels like rhetoric because
the system is in place to perpetuate the identity politics
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system that only benefits Democrats because it is antithetical to
Republican and conservative philosophy, which is, we treat every individual
as an individual created in God's image, with the same rights, dignity,
and worth as everybody else. No one's more, no one's less.
The law cannot treat them differently. They don't view it
that way.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, And I think implicit in the Senator Tim Scott
and Nicky Haley candidacy, ironically, given that both are coming
from South Carolina, is that they reject identity politics by
exploding it. This would be their argument on some level.
I don't know that they would make it explicitly, but
it's hard to argue that Republicans are the party of
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white supremacy if again, this would be part of the
premise of their candidacy, if Tim Scott or Nicky Haley
is on that ticket. Now, the challenge to me is
that this is the essence of the race. Do Tim
Scott or Nicky Haley, given that they're from South Carolina
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change the electoral calculus? I'm not sure that the VP does.
If Tim Scott buck were from Arizona or Georgia or Pennsylvania,
I would like the dude has to be the VP nominee, right,
same thing for Nicky Haley on some level, because they
can put you over the edge and maybe in those states,
but you're gonna win South Carolina by twenty.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
But the most historically, the most consistent voting pattern you
can really find for any if you're looking at race, age, demographic,
gonna list the black vote for the Democrats stretch. I mean,
does anyone want to guess what percentage of the black
vote went for a Gore in two thousand versus Bush ninety? Yeah,
(40:32):
it is a ninety ten proposition and has been for
over twenty I mean longer than that. I'm just going
back to two thousand. But we have not found a
way to break that. We have not found a way
to change that dynamic. And I think it's hard as well,
because the Democrats realize that that just mean that's like
them taking Texas and making it blue. Right, then it's
game over. If the if the black.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Voters seventy thirty, their their entire campaign, their entire Identity
Politics coalition disappear.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Eighty twenty, they're done.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
But I'm just saying, historically this has been absolutely impossible,
and so to think that it will change this time
around is going against But it's kind of we got
some we should get some of the vip emails. Then
everyone's yelling at me. They're saying, so what if a
primary challenge has never worked in history? Biden is the
worst ever. I'm like, okay, guys, I'm just telling you
historical examples. I mean, I don't no one can predict
(41:24):
the future.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I keep saying this. I don't think I can. No
one can.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
But if you look historically, it's been fifty years and
no incumbent president has ever lost a primary challenge.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
It it would work, he would not lose buck, he
would withdraw and blame health. But if the challenge was
moving in a direction where it could potentially be successful,
I think that's what would happen. But man, this is
uh Tim Scott going into the lions Den. Yeah and
basically rising up and dunking on the View. That clip
(41:56):
is going to be everywhere.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
A plus A plus grand Slam moment for Tim Scott
on the View.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Absolutely fantastic. So there you go, all right.
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Speaker 1 (43:35):
Keeping it Real, Keeping it Honest. Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton traviits Buck Sexton show hanging out with our friend
Jesse Kelly, who has got a book coming out tomorrow.
The Anti Communist Manifesto is the name of that book.
We would encourage you guys to get out there and
buy it. And Jesse, I know you're gonna be on
the road a little bit. You got like four or
(43:56):
five different book signings, right.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
I do, I've got I've got one in Houston. Look,
this is just something we celebrities have to do. We
will famous authors. We have one in Houston, where Salt
Lake City, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Tampa, Florida.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
And I think that's it for the first one.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
There may end up being a second with the selection
of these locations or did they just tell you, hey,
this is where you're going.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
I am one of these things. It's I probably a disability.
But I don't care about details of anything at all,
no details. I never know details, and I don't want
to know. People will ask me things like how are
the ratings on the show or how's this or where
are you going on the tour? And I never have
an answer, and I don't want to know. You just
show me where I'm going and tell me what time
I have to be there, and I'll be fine. I
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had nothing to do with it whatsoever. But there are
all places I love that's fine. I grew up around Harrisburg.
I love Salt Lake City because I moved to Montana
spent a bunch of time there, and everyone loves Florida,
so it worked out fine for me.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
So let's go to some of these calls.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Chris and Saint Louis is wayhing in on a major
controversy associated with you. The seventy five dollars per shot
of tequila order Chris in Saint Louis, what you got
for us?
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Jesse Kelly rolls straight to the point, clay Buck, you
guys are cheap.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Seventy five dollars is all about.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
The experience of drinking with Jesse Kelly, not about what
the shot cast like.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I just want to know how Jesse Kelly had a
had a I didn't know he had a little brother
or a first cousin who could call into the show.
But but but Chris, I gotta tell you we had
a great We had a great night that night.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
And I can tell you also.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
That that you know it was it was the the
best tequila that you could get. And and can I
say our Charlie by you know, because she worked, Yes,
Charlie Arnold was there as well, so there is in
fact a eyewitnessed all that she is now with OutKick.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
It was a it was a recruiting mission.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
So maybe Jesse just wanted to get the expensive tequila
so that, you know, play could look like a big
man and then OutKick would get a great higher, which
they did end up getting. Thank you for calling in, Chris,
sat in Saint Louis. You got a question for Jesse.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
The way you're promoting, promoting the book and hustling, what
do you think your chances are making the New York
Times bestseller list?
Speaker 8 (46:15):
Uh, well, that's funny you bring that up. The New
York Times Bestseller list is obviously a thing you want
because it's bragging rights, essentially, and everyone knows how much
I love to brag. It's one of my favorite things
to do is talk about myself and brag about myself.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
That said, it's.
Speaker 8 (46:30):
Also well known that if you're someone on the right
writing a book, you really have to sell so many
that they have no choice that they look stupid if
they keep you off the list.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
So am I going to make the list? I don't know.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
I guess right now it's killing it. I guess we'll
find out if you want to get it or information
on the book tour, or if you want to sign
copy and you want to try to stick it to
the New York Times Jesse kellybook dot com. I should
have gave that out earlier. That's where people go for it.
So the answer to that question is, I don't know, Seth.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I hope Nope.
Speaker 8 (47:00):
Right, If I don't, It's not like I'm going to
cry myself to sleep. But that's always a goal. I
wanted to sell as many as I can.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, speaking to what Jesse has done and is referencing here,
if you write a book that is not super left wing,
there's a lot of people out there who believe the
New York Times Bestseller List actually reflects the most purchased books.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
In any given week.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
It doesn't have a collection of super left wing bookstores
that they then create an algorithm with. And this I
didn't know this until I wrote my last book.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Jesse.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I was I think number five or six overall for
most sold copies in twenty eighteen, and I didn't make
the top twenty New York Times bestseller list.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
And you know why they don't include Amazon in the sales.
Oh yeah, that's correct. So so start with the place
where people buy the most books by far, if you're
buying physical books, is Amazon. They don't include that in
the list, and they do it based on, you know,
a collection of bookstores owned by blue haired cat ladies
who some of them, by the way, listen to our
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show and a right wing and we love them. But
these are the left wing variety. So Jesse that road.
It's a road challenge, of course, and that's kind of
the thing. Can you sell it would be nice more
than bragging rights, more than anything else. It would be
nice to stick it to them like that, to sell
so many that just out of shame, out of the
for the credibility of the list.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
They would have to put it on the list. So
of course you want that. Anyone with any ambition wants that.
Whether that'll happen or not, I don't know. Look, I
want people to read it and learn from it. That's
what I want.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
The other thing that's important is Buck and Jesse and
everybody out there listening. A lot of bookstores that are
physical in nature put the New York Times bestsellers in
the front of a store, so people might not know
who you are. And if you're on that list. Suddenly,
when you walk into a bookstore, your book is there,
easy accessed, easy to see. Somebody might pick it up
(48:53):
that otherwise wouldn't. That's the other reason it has a
lot of impact.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Charles, Yeah, that's one of the Wait, wait, hold on second,
Jesse Als in Miami wants to weigh in with you.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Charles, what do you have for Jesse?
Speaker 9 (49:03):
Hey, gentlemen, good afternoon, Jesse. Sorry about your hairline there.
You know, I know you're talking. You're still growing growing
out of your hair. But anyway, I just wanted to
get your thoughts. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic. I'm worried
about Texas with all these illegals there, and I think
(49:24):
if electoral college wise goes, if Texas goes, we're done.
And if you look at the county map of Lower Texas,
a lot of that has already changed blue. And I
just wanted to get your feedback.
Speaker 8 (49:36):
Commen, No, it's a it's a very good question. Let
me ease your fears though. Look, it's okay to be
worried about Texas, because you're right. Electorally, if we lose
the state of Texas, we're finished. But Texas is going
to be just fine. And let me explain why we
worry about people moving from blue states to red states
because we say, I don't bring your politics with you.
But the truth is, at least here in Texas, and
(49:58):
I know this from data from friend I have within
the state, so this is not me guessing.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
I know this.
Speaker 8 (50:03):
Over sixty percent of the people who move from blue
states to red states and come to Texas are voting Republican.
So yes, are we getting Democrats in that group. Yes,
But the truth is humans are migrating as human beings
always have, so they can live under their values. They
want to live around people who share their values. When
people leave from blue to red. I know it's common
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to complain about it when you're one of the people
who's already there, But the truth is it's making your
red state stronger. It is, and I understand that the
concern because what happens is you get these idiot GOP
governors who say, oh, bring your big business there, and
the business comes with ten thousand employees, and those are Democrats.
So that's generally a bad idea. But when people migrate
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on their own, when people move on their own, it
actually helps your state and if you're in a red
state and want to keep it that way.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
You should encourage it.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Here's some data, Jesse, to back up what you're saying.
In Florida, where I live, they had a Democrat advantage
in registration, which is amazing to think about. In twenty
eighteen when that election happened, which was a razor razor
thin governor's election, Democrats had a two hundred and fifty
thousand registered voter advantage Republicans as of this year. As
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of this I think it was certainly the first quarter
of this year had about a half a million advantage.
So this switch, I think it might be a three
or four hundred thousand now something like that. The switch
is massive, and so the inflow of Florida has been
overwhelmingly Republican. There's also some registration efforts in the state
for people that were already here that are part of that,
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but a lot of it is red state. People living
in blue states say, how about trying a red state?
Speaker 6 (51:47):
Now?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah, just Ania state concern Jesse and Texas, you and Florida,
me and Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think it's made it way redder everywhere. Jesse.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
I bet that's what you're seeing. You kind of hinted
at that with the data from ten As well.
Speaker 8 (52:01):
Well, yeah, it's everywhere. We do not see a massive
influx of democrats here. And in fact, this is why
I talk about anti communism. This is why these red
states like Tennessee and Florida. Well, Florida has been better
about this, Texas, Texas has sucked at this. They should
be passing laws, these anti communist laws, just to drive
the communists crazy. And this is what I mean. You
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want in your state will self deport they will. When
you start overwhelming them with anti communism, the communists will
flee and make your state, make your state.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Redder as they leave. We are not near.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
Aggressive enough with these scum, and we need to be
more aggressive.
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Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. I hope all of you had a fantastic weekend.
I know, I did, I know, Buck did. I hope
all of you did as well. Summer officially underway for
a lot of people. Your kids are either out of
school or they are very close to getting out of school.
(00:21):
I started off my morning with summer camp routine. Buck
dropping off, soccer, dropping off basketball, the boys, Travis boys,
super busy mom does a good job of keeping them
all aligned. We got so much to get into RFK
Junior not going away in the Democrat primary race and
(00:42):
saying a lot of really interesting things. Nicky Hayley pressed
on abortion. Thought she had a pretty good answer there.
What's Joe Manchin going to do? The Daily Beast is
obsessed with the Republican obsession on trans athletes, and CNN's
head gets absolutely massacred in an Atlantic article Chris licked.
(01:04):
But there's some really interesting quotes there, and I wanted
to start with this.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And by the way, fantastic wee get for you. Everything
good with you and Carrie rolling down in Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I don't even remember what I did, but I slept
a lot and read a lot, So I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's a good combo. That's a good weekend if you
get to sleep a lot and you get to read
a lot. In my book, I was at the Little
League Fields, went to see the New Spider Verse movie,
and spent six hours recording the audio version half of
it of my new book. By the way, Jesse Kelly,
many of you listened to Jesse, many of your fans.
He's got a book coming out tomorrow. I believe he
will be with us in the third hour of this program,
(01:41):
So Buck, RFK Junior is not going away. We had
him on this program. A lot of you responded very
favorably to him, and a lot of what he's saying, frankly,
is just common sense, which is incredibly uncommon in the
Democrat Party right now, and to me illustrative of the
degree to which people want truth tellers. And RFK Junior
(02:07):
is absolutely slamming COVID lockdowns, And Buck, can you even
think of any other Democrat out there who has criticized
COVID lockdowns publicly at all? Can you think, can you
think of any Democrat and you've said, hey, you know,
and I might disagree with him on X or Y,
but at least he's on the same team when it
(02:28):
comes to COVID lockdowns, Almost to a word, not one
Democrat has been able to say anything negative at all.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Can you think of any.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I can't think of a single one off the top
of my head. And I've been amazed at how few
pundits and writers and you know, influencers creators also have
just pretended like they didn't get absolutely everything wrong by
supporting masks, lockdowns and vaccine mandates.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, and so RFK Junior is consistently polling at twenty
percent against Joe Biden, which is a pretty big numbering.
The DNC has got the rig job in effect to
try to keep it from even being able to compete.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So what's But I don't understand this because I get
people that are saying stuff, Like you know, people write
me emails, write emails, and we read all of them,
especially the nice ones or the encouraging ones, the mean ones.
I read and then I'm and then I am sad
for a few minutes. But I appreciate it. Nonetheless, I
want to hear what all the opinions are that are
out there. And I get emails that say, how about
(03:28):
a Trump RFK ticket RFK Junior ticket? And what I
what I don't really understand is first of all, first
of all, Trump and RFK don't see the vaccines exactly
the same way.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
SOFK is actually more way more critical of the vaccines
than Trump is, which is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Good point, right, I mean that's again statement of fact.
I'm just telling people what's reality. And we all know it, right,
everyone can see that. So they don't they're not even
they're not aligned on that issue, and what what else
would they be aligned on? Look, here's what I see,
you know, I see RFK Junior gives Democrats an opportunity
(04:08):
to show their displeasure about the fact that a dementia
patient who is too past his prime to put it mildly,
for the job Joe Biden is their option going into
this election.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And I think that they want that.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't know if you call it catharsis or that
that feeling of temporary honesty where they get to say, well,
you know, we really wish it would be RFK Junior.
I see them all falling in line when push comes
to shove, especially as we look at the polls increasingly
clear that Trump is not just the front runner, but
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feeling more and more like he's going to be the
guy they're up against. No Democrat is going to vote
to undermine the president in office if he's going up
against Trump. That's when push comes to shove. Right now
they can talk about it, and so I just think
this is a little bit of a mental and emotional
safe space for Democrats to speak reality out loud for
(05:03):
a second on vaccines. But I don't see how this
has any long term political implications because I think they
will just fall in line when they have to look
at the opposition. Do you see that differently, Like, do
you think there could be a real insurgent campaign here
from within the Democrat Look, Bill O'Reilly, does we had
them on last week? You said maybe.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think if there were a valid Democrat alternative who
was well funded, I think that he or she could
beat Joe Biden. I really do in the primary, because
I think that's how weak of a candidate Biden is.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Has that has this ever happened before?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
What usually happens is the insurgent campaign forces the leading
campaign to drop out, right, Like if you go to LBJ,
LBJ basically because of Vietnam. If I'm remembering my history correct,
and people can can reach out and tell me if
I'm wrong. LBJ dropped out in sixty eight because of
(05:58):
the incredible pressure that he felt, and so he decided
not to run.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think that's the way it would play.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So, I mean, since the primary system has been in
play since nineteen seventy two and incumbent has never lost
to a primary challenge one time. Zero it has happened
zero times in fifty years, yep, And I get it,
I get it. It would be rare. But I'm saying I
don't think he would lose in the primary. I think
the numbers would start looking so bad for him that
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in the same way in sixty I believe I'm right,
right right. In sixty eight, LBJ came out in an
address and said I will not seek and I'm paraphrasing here,
and I will not accept the nomination if I am
the nominee, and that was He's out. And then Nixon
obviously won in sixty eight because LBJ felt so much
pressure from the left so I don't think this is
(06:48):
so new. I don't think this is surprising. And here's why.
You go back to twenty sixteen and you had the
Bernie wing, and the Bernie wing in the primary was
catching a lot of steam and it you know, it
was all of a sudden, Oh, we're going to have
an outright socialist as the Democrat nominee. And then a combination.
(07:08):
To be fair, it was a combination of the system
in that case, the super delegates. We all remember that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, it was the craziest thing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
There are people who just get to choose early on
who they're going for without actually having to wait for
any votes to come in. I mean, the whole thing
was such a rig job. But there was that Bernie
faction and Clay I remember on set at CNN back
in the day twenty fifteen, early on in the primary,
there were all these CNN Democrat punnets who are like, well,
you know, the base is really with Bernie. The base
(07:38):
of the Democrat Party is with Bernie. And then the
cameras would come on and they were on CNN and
what do you think They said, Oh, I think Hillary
Clinton's going to be a fabulous president. So there's there's
often this twenty percent of the base of the party
that will just decide they want to play games and
think about alternatives. And I'm not saying they're not sincere
(07:59):
in it, but the machinery of the party is so powerful.
I just don't see how the machinery of the party
made buying the nominee in the first I mean, made
him the president in the first place.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Look, I would say in twenty sixteen, remember everybody wanted
to talk about the hack Hillary Clinton emails. They actually
just proved how rigged the Democrat Party was, because the
biggest takeaway from those was that the DNC essentially came
in as hard as they could on Hillary. Now, the
difference I would say there Buck is that was an
(08:30):
open primary, right because there wasn't an incumbent president. So
the fact that Hillary was weak in sixteen makes a
little bit more sense. What I would compare this to
is go back to twenty twelve. Nobody in the Democrat
Party said I'm going to challenge Barack Obama at all,
if I remember correctly, no, and and that nobody would
have even thought of it. And the fact I want
(08:52):
to play this audio, I think I think this is
RFK Junior. If I'm not mistaken, the crew can let
me know if I'm wrong. I think this is RFK
Junior going on Fox News and with Harris Faulkner. I
believe because I saw this clip over the weekend and
saying the COVID lockdowns were a sixteen trillion dollar mistake.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I'd like either President Biden or President Trump explained the
lockdowns to us. That was a sixteen trillion dollar mistake.
We shifted four trillion dollars in wealth from the middle
class in this country to the super rich, this new
aristocracy of billionaires. The lockdowns created a billionaire a day,
(09:33):
five hundred new billionaires, and the people who came into
the lockdown with the billion dollars increased their well by
thirty percent. We closed three point three million businesses without
due process, without chudge compensation. The White House both White
Houses were collaborating with Amazon and with the other social
(09:53):
media size to shut down their competitors.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I think what he's saying is one hundred sent true
and accurate, meaning, you know, the overall impact of lockdowns
was catastrophic. It was abject. That was abjectly wrong. It's
also interesting that I have people that are telling me, well,
what about an RFK Trump ticket. To be clear, as
you heard there, he's going after Trump for lockdowns too.
(10:17):
He's not just blaming Biden. So we have to go
with the words that he's actually saying and using here,
which is he's blaming really both what he would call
the establishments of both parties, obviously the president on the
one hand and now the president later on on the other.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And I think that people.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
There is an excitement at hearing the truth about this
from a national level figure for the first time, because
let's just take a step back. Who is saying that
lockdowns across the board starting in twenty twenty were this disastrous.
Nobody is saying that they were disastrous from twenty twenty
(10:56):
in the beginning on. It's generally Joe Biden's extension of
them were completely insane, which they were, to be clear,
But he is going after both Trump and Biden on this,
which seems like positioning not just in a primary, but
obviously in a general I'm trying to say, is he
would run against Trump on this? Everybody, that's the eventual
(11:18):
goal here. I think some folks aren't seeing this. They're
thinking there's a unity Trump RFK ticket.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
No, RFK would want to go up against Donald Trump
if he could.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
There are a lot of Trump advisors who have actually
floated the RFK Junior thing publicly. I mean, RFK Junior
has shot it down. So I do think there is
some discussion.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I want you to listen.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
He will not There's no chance that he would do
it is the whether I think you're correct. I don't
think he would do it. But here is cut three.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I want you to hear this too, because we talked
about the fact that Democrats rigged the primary in twenty sixteen.
RFK Junior for Hillary over Bernie. RFK Junior is saying
what the Democrats are doing is like what a Soviet
state does.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Listen to this too.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
In New Hampshire, you've got to do politics. You've got
to go into the nail salons, into the diners, the
gas stations, the barbershops. When you go to New Hampshire,
they veg you like you're running for a city council
and they play this important gateway role for the Democratic
Party and the Republican Party of forcing politicians to do
real retail politics and to listen to what Americans are
(12:28):
going through on the ground. And that's why it's so
key to have that in abolishing that primary in order
to fix the election. It's like the Soviet state when
the party picks the candidate and you know, instead of
the people, it's just wrong.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean again, you and I feel this the same way.
By this class.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, when you hear someone speaking the truth, it feels good.
And what he is saying about how the Democrats have
rigged the system for Biden in their own primary, yeah,
one hundred percent accurate. And when he says that the
lockdowns were catastrophically stupid, destruct and made because of the
massive inflation of spending trillions of dollars. It made rich
(13:05):
people with assets much richer and made your you know,
everyone else who's listening, your eggs and your gas and
your go down the list much more expensive. And wages
have not even begun to close that gap. So everything
he's saying is true. So it is it is interesting.
I mean, I'm with you that this creates a dynamic
that's worth understanding, diving into and trying to get ahead
(13:28):
of a little bit as to where this is going,
But I just keep running into what's the play here
because he's I think the.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Question, and it's a great question. Open open up phone
lines on this too. Eight hundred and two eight two
two eight A two. Let's talk about this when we
get back, because my thing is, buck, is there a
level of support that RFK Junior could get? Just tossing
this out there to everybody where, it crystallizes how weak
of a of a candidate Biden is and makes Democrats
(13:58):
worry about twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
What if you got forty percent?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I think, Clay, I think we're forgetting the power of
the weekend at Bernie's two presidency. Man, I think you know,
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Speaker 1 (15:23):
Welcome back at Clay Sharrabs Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We got a couple
of different news stories that are out there. Mike Pence
has officially entered the twenty twenty four presidential race, Trump's
former vice president. We will discuss that here momentarily. But
news that is also breaking is about someone who is
(15:46):
not going to enter the race. New Hampshire Governor JOHNSONUNU
Chris Chris Sanunu is not going to run. He just
told CNN in an interview. He also had an opinion
piece that is up in the last what fifteen minutes
at the Washington Post. The headline is, I'm not running
(16:08):
for president in twenty twenty four. Beating Trump is more important.
This is New Hampshire Governor Chris Sinunu, and I'll read
the first couple of paragraphs.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
He's a Republican at least theoretically, right.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, he won by I think almost twenty points in
New Hampshire. They we lost the Senate race there. I
will not be seeking the Republican nomination for president in
twenty twenty four. And I'm reading directly from his opinion piece.
Our party is on a collision course towards electoral irrelevance
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without significant corrective action. The stakes are too high for
a crowded field to hand the nomination to a candidate
who earns just thirty five percent of the vote, and
I will help ensure this does not happen. The path
to winning was clear, but I believe I can have
more influence on the future of the Republican Party and
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the twenty twenty four nominating process, not as a candidate,
but as the governor of the first in the nation
primary state.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, so this is a big.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Just just for a moment here, I mean, yeah, it
matters in the primary because having a hometown favorite in
New Hampshire would obviously skew results at least in New Hampshire,
which could affect momentum in the other you know, going
into Super Tuesday and all the rest of it. But
I just feel like, if you're a Republican right now,
you're your north.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Star, your guiding light.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
The thing that has to just be you know, the
goal is to take power from the Biden lunatic Democrats
and do everything possible to achieve that in this twenty
twenty four election, to give the Republican nominee not only
the White House, but also to get a Republican president
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Trump most likely, but whomever, a Republican Senate and a
Republican House. So I don't understand, you know, if you're
a Republican, you want your his focus is to stop Trump.
That just strikes me, as where's that coming from?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Look the focus? And I think you're right. So, first
of all, the fact that Chris Nudu announced on CNN
and via an editorial in the Washington Post is very
nineteen nineties era Republican part.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
If you just came out and he just said, you know,
I was going to run, but I don't want to
take my eye off of beating you know, Vivek Ramaswami
or Ron DeSantis. I think that's the most important. Everybody
would say, what do you know it's a fellow Republican.
What are you talking about? That's why I see here.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I agree, and I think it's not a coincidence.
The way he announced, right, this is meant romney esque.
And what I would say is if he and look,
if he had come out and said, I'm not going
to run, because I think that beating Joe Biden is
so important. We have to have the best possible candidate.
(19:07):
And my plan is to vet everybody running and eventually
endorse in New Hampshire the best. In my opinion, I'm
speaking as if I was a New Hampshire governor, the
best candidate that can beat Joe Biden. I think everybody
would say, yeah, that's what you should do. That would
make that I would, I would understand. I just it
just feels like at this stage when you see what
(19:28):
the Democrats are doing and how Biden has governed for
four years. The thing you're gonna put out there is
I'm not running because it's so important to beat Trump
that this is the this is the wrong message for
the team. This is the wrong It's again, it's and
I just we have a lot of different candidates in
their staffs who listen to this show. Stop caring what
the New York Times and the Washington Posts say about you,
(19:49):
Stop caring what CNN ss you.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
They hate you.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
This is a plague on the right that we cannot
get rid of. That there's still this belief among among
very important connected people, people who live part of their
lives in DC. Senators, congressmen, even governor's a little less
so I would say, I think they're you know, I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You know, I am sure this this cloud that he
went straight to the people that hate him.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You know, there are states where I don't think the
governor of Idaho cares what the New York Times says.
But I do think and people are gonna be listening
to us more in Idaho here. But we'll talk about
that in a few seconds. But I think that there's
still this there's still this thought that the cool kids
table is the New York Times, the New York Times
editorial board. And so you want to be the strange,
(20:41):
You want that strange found new respect in an editorial
from them. And they're horrible and they're comedies and they're
destroying the country. So it really should be viewed as
a strike against you. Like when I see a Republican
getting nice things written about him by the New York Times,
I think to myself, how much of his soul that
he sell out for this one. I'm just being honest.
(21:02):
That's my first response, my first inclination.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, And this is just to me a pathetic grandstanding,
because look, they hate you, okay, And this is speaking
to everybody who's running the president. They hate you. The
New York Times hates you, The Washington Post hates you.
CNN hates you, MSNBC, they hate you. There's nothing you
(21:27):
can do that is going to make them not hate you.
And and this is important, particularly as it pertains the
New York Times and the Washington Post. And this is
in my new book, and I spend a bunch of
time on this. Republicans haven't realized yet, Buck, that the
business imperatives of The New York Times and The Washington
Post have changed enormously in the last seven or eight years.
(21:50):
It used to be that their business was primarily advertising,
so they needed the largest possible audience to consume their
content so they can charge the highest possible advertising rates.
Now they're in subscription businesses, and the subscribers want to
hear Republicans are evil, Donald Trump is hitler, and if
(22:13):
you don't serve them that up, they leave. And I'll
give you an analogy on this, Buck, because this is
in the book, but I think it's one hundred percent true.
I don't know what percentage of our listeners would be
diehard sports fans. Diehard sports fans sign up, Buck, this
is gonna blow your mind. Probably for online message boards,
like so you can follow your team more aggressively than
(22:34):
you ever would have otherwise, follow recruiting, coaching, everything else.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
The team message boards.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
They never break negative news about the team because if
they do, everybody who's a die hard fan of that
team is going to end their subscriptions. If you're a
Michigan Wolverine fan right now, you don't want for a
player to suddenly be ineligible for Michigan because of an
investigation that your team message board brought to bear, because
(23:03):
everybody'd be like, screw you, I want us to beat
Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, that's what's going on with the Washington Post in
the New York Times. They hate you, they want to
destroy you. So the idea that you would choose to
put an editorial in the Washington Post and that you
would sit down for an interview with CNN. If Sanudu
wanted to come on this show, we would have talked
to him and he would have had far more influence.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
We I think we have an obligation here to have
on all of the Republican candidates and hear them out right.
I think that's what we're going to do. We've promised
from the beginning we're going to give voice to and
and you know, if RFK keeps going into.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Here, we had on what candidates period will have on Well,
that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
What we'll have on you know, we'll give voice to
the candidates so you can hear because ultimately, you know,
we're just two guys with two votes. All of you,
there are millions truly millions of you listening across the country,
and this is just a moment in time where we're
figuring out what the trajectory is going to be. And
(24:06):
and even like I've always said, I I'm like, we
have him on the show, and I don't not try
to fan boy like I just think Rand Paul is ideologically.
I agree with him so much the time. I think
he's so great. And I thought he was a really
good voice in the Republican primary, even though he had
no chance really of winning, right, but he was a
good voice to have. It was good to hear his
(24:28):
perspective on these things. I think he's a very very
strong senator. There are going to be people like that.
They're going to be candidates who are out there, you know.
I think even for example, Tim Scott. We're going to
talk more about Tim Scott in a few minutes. He
went on the View. Everybody we talked about it here
on the show with Senator Scott.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He went on the View.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
We'll bring you some of the highlights of that, but
just having him talk about his his inspirational story and
love for America, I think that's a voice that's worth
people hearing at this time. I think that he brings
something to that conversation. I think there'll be other people
as well. And as long as everyone's staying focused on
the eventual mission of beating Joe Biden, and I have
(25:10):
to keep reminding everybody, whoever the candidate is, it is
going to be very hard. The Democrats outplay our machinery
in some of the key states. It is a fact.
Anyone who runs elections in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin
will tell you the same thing that I'm just talking about.
The Democrat ability to get votes in boxes. However they're
(25:34):
doing it. So we have to all stay united as
a team and understanding what the eventual mission is here,
which is to beat a very I know it sounds crazy.
It will be a difficult uphill climb. That's just the
nature of our politics right now. But I do want
to take some calls cause I think we should take
some calls here. I don't know if anyone's got any
thoughts on some new new running or not. Honestly, if
we got some new Hampshire heights, I know we've got
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Speaker 2 (25:59):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
This is what all everybody who covers politics has to
throw you know, the show me state, the grantede state.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
They got to throw that in there so people think
that they know what they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
But please do call him. But also, Mike Pence is running.
What do you guys think about that? I mean, I
really I'm putting that out there, honestly, what do you
think about Mike Pence? He's filed, he's running, he will
be in the mix, he will get more than one percent,
he will be on that debate stage. What do you
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Speaker 2 (27:59):
All right everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right this moment.
Thanks for being with us from all across the nation.
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Speaker 3 (28:29):
Clay I had a forty minute sit down with doctor
j Batacharia. It was just, oh man, it was so good.
It was like a therapy session to go over. He
was one of the authors of the Great Barentine Declaration.
Just talking about how from a Stanford medical school, you know,
world class medical researcher, how everything they said was wrong
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and it was lies and they knew it at different
times too. That was the part that I found. They
knew they were lying to people about masks, about vaccine
stopping spread anyway. So but that's in the Clan Buck feed.
I'm just saying everyone's got to check it out. The
Tutor Dixon Show is in there too, so please subscribe
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(29:15):
We also had Senator Tim Scott on I'm sorry, all
the weeks kind of crashed together in my mind.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think it was last week we had the Senator
on Is that right?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Last Monday, Senator Scott was on the show That's What Matters,
and we asked him about this because Joy Pahar, of
all the people on the view, said, you know what,
he'd basically called into question whether Senator Scott knows really
what it's like for black men in America, which was
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quite a thing to say. I think everyone picked up
on it. Let's can we just go back team and
remind everybody of his response on.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
This show to what Joy Behar said.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
But there's no doubt a white ladies dressing up in
black face giving him black man advice probably doesn't ring
true in anyone's mind, certainly not my own. But more importantly,
I find it offensive and disgusting and dangerous for a
very different reason. I'm used to having the less attacked
me because of the truth of my life. This proves
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their lives. It is literally the dumbest, most offensive thing
I've ever witnessed on TV to hear these millionaire TV
personalities telling me how to live my life as a
black man, but more importantly suggesting to every child, stay
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in your place, follow my lead, for you too will
reap the same harvest of Tim Scott or Clarence Thomas
or any other conservative who dares dares to think for themselves.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
So that was last Tuesday. We were off because of
a moral day. It was last Tuesday. Who was on
the show?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Uh play?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I thought that was strong but this and we're so
hope we're glad that he got to say it here
on this platform to all of you across the country.
The View, I don't know, maybe the View got called
out so much by their own audience on this one,
or something happened, or they just realized it was it
was an opportunity for ratings.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
The View invited senators. Why don't they invite Clay and
Buck on.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
That would be a show, that would be a It'd
be a show if Liz Chady came on here to
talk to us. It would be a show if they
had us on the View. I can tell you that,
but here is Senator Tim Scott. Here is Senator Tim
Scott sitting down on the view. We wanted you to
hear this. Clay and I agree. This is not a
home run. This is a grand slam moment for him
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play it.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
One of the things that I think about, and one
of the reasons why I'm on the show, is because
of the comments that were made frankly on the show
that the only way for a young African American kid
to be successful in this country is to be the
exception and not the role. That is a dangerous, offensive,
disgusting message to send to our young people today, that
the only way to succeed is by being the I
will tell you that if my life is the exception,
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I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I can't. But it's not.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Actually here's here's fourteen years.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Yes. So the fact of the matter is we've had
an African American president, African American vice president, We've had
two African Americans to be Secretaries of the State.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And he keeps going. It's phenomenal. We shared this clip.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm sure it'll be up on clayanbuck dot com if
you want to go listen to it. So this is phenomenal, right,
because the message that Tim Scott is sharing is that
the progress the country has made is massive as it
pertains to race relations and also to opportunity in general.
And one of the craziest things that has happened, and
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this is a big story, is in the wake of
Barack Obama's two terms as president two thousand and eight
twenty twelve, race relations have collapsed in the last decade
or so. A lot of different theories about why that
might be. I'm sure many of you out there listening
have theories. God is Buck.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Now, I was gonna say, I don't think race relations
have collapsed. I think the media pretends that race relations
have collapsed, you know what I mean. It's a difference thing.
So that's what I'm getting. Yes, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
And in fact, if you look at the data, the
media has so negatively I think impacted our perceptions of
race relations that many people do believe. Now, for instance,
I believe it's a Gallup poll that came out we
talked about on the show around the year two thousand,
something like seventy some odd percent of people thought race
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relations in the country were generally good and about twenty
some odd percent said race relations were bad. This is
around two thousand. This is twenty three years ago. Now
over half of Americans believe race relations in this country
are bad. I think the media is a big part
of that, and I also think buck My theory here
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for what happened was you go back and look at
two thousand and eight Obama. It is America is such
an amazing country that even I, a mixed race kid
from Hawaii, can get elected president. That was the message
of two thousand and eight Obama.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
By twoenty twelve, there was more of a racial pitch
to Obama's campaigning. By twenty sixteen, Democrats were all in
on identity politics. So the lesson they took from Barack
Obama's election was the only reason Obama won was because
he was black, and therefore we must have identity politics.
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Whether it's Hillary going out there and saying I'm with her, right,
you're a woman, you have to support me because you're
a woman. And then by twenty twenty, Joe Biden, super
old white guy, is arguing, hey, if you're not with me,
you ain't black, that the Republicans will put you back
in chains. Kamala Harris's entire choice was based on her
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being a black female, and they even made an explicit
buck Biden promised to put a black woman on the
Supreme Court, something we've never seen before, based entirely on
identity politics.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I would say that, first of all, it's just, you know,
it's kind of a theme today people who say things
that we all know to be true. It you feel it,
it inspires you it. There's sort of a calm that
comes over you go, yes, that's right. And what Senator
Scott said, they're on the view about the tremendous progress
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that the left effectively denies for Black Americans and on
all Americans toward a meritocracy. In fact, what we have
now is the left openly going against meritocracy. Right, the
left actually wants there to be a spoil system based
on race, gender, but it's a spoil system against particularly
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white males. That's actually the system that the Demo and Asians.
I would note, that's what they want for affirmative action
in college, that's what they want for hiring, and that
is the reality of America today. But put that aside
for a moment. He's saying something that is true. Do
I think that this is going through This goes back
to our earlier discussion are we going to see a
major change in the black vote in twenty twenty four.
(36:10):
Let's just assume for a second, even Tim Scott was
the nominee, or he's just able to have powerful messaging
in the GOP all along, history would tell you no,
that it's not going to happen at all. That said,
there may be people of all you know, of different races,
black voters, white voters, who just from hearing from a
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man like Tim Scott about the truth of America today,
the Democrat moral blackmailing, They engage in the sort of
moral demagoguery of if you don't vote Democrat, you're a racist.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That may be less effective.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, So that's the only way that I could see
it from an electoral perspective, because the more people see this,
the more they realize what are they really talking about?
What are they really saying when they're claiming that this
country is fundamentally racist and they've expanded the definition of
white supremacy to include anything in society that is unequal,
What are they talking about? Basically, if their identity politics
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pitch is even a little bit less effective. That could have,
That could have some effect. I don't see, though, a
substantial change in I shouldnt even say I don't see.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
There's no basis historically for it. But it might change
this time around, the black vote shifting more toward Republicans.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I mean, it'd be great, But I think it's an
intriguing debate.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
So, first of all, Tim Scott, a lot of what
he says is similar to what Obama said in two
thousand and eight, and the view loved Obama in two
thousand and eight, and they try to call out Tim Scott.
But here's the here's sort of the existential issue at play.
And I don't claim to know the answer, but everybody
out there can think about this. How do you destroy
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identity politics?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Identity politics is a toxic cancer, in my opinion, in
the American body politic, and it is entirely the foundation
of the Democrat Party right now.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
So I actually think that it's a function in part Clay,
I think it has to do with laws. I think
you have to have. I think the Supreme Court decision
that's coming in a matter of weeks here, which we
haven't really talked about, will be a substantial step in
the right direction, because what we have now is a
system of and this is from a Supreme Court decision.
I can't remember if it was a Ldo or Roberts.
One of them said, the racial spoil system that affirmative
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action has created, that has trickled down not just to
college admissions, but also in hiring for corporations across America,
in government grants that are minority specific. You have to
eliminate these things as a matter of law or else.
Everything else we talk about just feels like rhetoric because
the system is in place to perpetuate the identity politics
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system that only benefits Democrats because it is antithetical to
Republican and conservative philosophy, which is, we treat every individual
as an individual created in God's image, with the same rights, dignity,
and worth as everybody else. No one's more, no one's less.
The law cannot treat them differently. They don't view it
that way.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, And I think implicit in the Senator Tim Scott
and Nicky Haley candidacy, ironically, given that both are coming
from South Carolina, is that they reject identity politics by
exploding it. This would be their argument on some level.
I don't know that they would make it explicitly, but
it's hard to argue that Republicans are the party of
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white supremacy if again, this would be part of the
premise of their candidacy, if Tim Scott or Nicky Haley
is on that ticket. Now, the challenge to me is
that this is the essence of the race. Do Tim
Scott or Nicky Haley, given that they're from South Carolina
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change the electoral calculus? I'm not sure that the VP does.
If Tim Scott buck were from Arizona or Georgia or Pennsylvania,
I would like the dude has to be the VP nominee, right,
same thing for Nicky Haley on some level, because they
can put you over the edge and maybe in those states,
but you're gonna win South Carolina by twenty.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
But the most historically, the most consistent voting pattern you
can really find for any if you're looking at race, age, demographic,
gonna list the black vote for the Democrats stretch. I mean,
does anyone want to guess what percentage of the black
vote went for a Gore in two thousand versus Bush ninety? Yeah,
(40:32):
it is a ninety ten proposition and has been for
over twenty I mean longer than that. I'm just going
back to two thousand. But we have not found a
way to break that. We have not found a way
to change that dynamic. And I think it's hard as well,
because the Democrats realize that that just mean that's like
them taking Texas and making it blue. Right, then it's
game over. If the if the black.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Voters seventy thirty, their their entire campaign, their entire Identity
Politics coalition disappear.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Eighty twenty, they're done.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
But I'm just saying, historically this has been absolutely impossible,
and so to think that it will change this time
around is going against But it's kind of we got
some we should get some of the vip emails. Then
everyone's yelling at me. They're saying, so what if a
primary challenge has never worked in history? Biden is the
worst ever. I'm like, okay, guys, I'm just telling you
historical examples. I mean, I don't no one can predict
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the future.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I keep saying this. I don't think I can. No
one can.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
But if you look historically, it's been fifty years and
no incumbent president has ever lost a primary challenge.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
It it would work, he would not lose buck, he
would withdraw and blame health. But if the challenge was
moving in a direction where it could potentially be successful,
I think that's what would happen. But man, this is
uh Tim Scott going into the lions Den. Yeah and
basically rising up and dunking on the View. That clip
(41:56):
is going to be everywhere.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
A plus A plus grand Slam moment for Tim Scott
on the View.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Absolutely fantastic. So there you go, all right.
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Speaker 1 (43:35):
Keeping it Real, Keeping it Honest. Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton traviits Buck Sexton show hanging out with our friend
Jesse Kelly, who has got a book coming out tomorrow.
The Anti Communist Manifesto is the name of that book.
We would encourage you guys to get out there and
buy it. And Jesse, I know you're gonna be on
the road a little bit. You got like four or
(43:56):
five different book signings, right.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
I do, I've got I've got one in Houston. Look,
this is just something we celebrities have to do. We
will famous authors. We have one in Houston, where Salt
Lake City, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Tampa, Florida.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
And I think that's it for the first one.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
There may end up being a second with the selection
of these locations or did they just tell you, hey,
this is where you're going.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
I am one of these things. It's I probably a disability.
But I don't care about details of anything at all,
no details. I never know details, and I don't want
to know. People will ask me things like how are
the ratings on the show or how's this or where
are you going on the tour? And I never have
an answer, and I don't want to know. You just
show me where I'm going and tell me what time
I have to be there, and I'll be fine. I
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had nothing to do with it whatsoever. But there are
all places I love that's fine. I grew up around Harrisburg.
I love Salt Lake City because I moved to Montana
spent a bunch of time there, and everyone loves Florida,
so it worked out fine for me.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
So let's go to some of these calls.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Chris and Saint Louis is wayhing in on a major
controversy associated with you. The seventy five dollars per shot
of tequila order Chris in Saint Louis, what you got
for us?
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Jesse Kelly rolls straight to the point, clay Buck, you
guys are cheap.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Seventy five dollars is all about.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
The experience of drinking with Jesse Kelly, not about what
the shot cast like.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I just want to know how Jesse Kelly had a
had a I didn't know he had a little brother
or a first cousin who could call into the show.
But but but Chris, I gotta tell you we had
a great We had a great night that night.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
And I can tell you also.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
That that you know it was it was the the
best tequila that you could get. And and can I
say our Charlie by you know, because she worked, Yes,
Charlie Arnold was there as well, so there is in
fact a eyewitnessed all that she is now with OutKick.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
It was a it was a recruiting mission.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
So maybe Jesse just wanted to get the expensive tequila
so that, you know, play could look like a big
man and then OutKick would get a great higher, which
they did end up getting. Thank you for calling in, Chris,
sat in Saint Louis. You got a question for Jesse.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
The way you're promoting, promoting the book and hustling, what
do you think your chances are making the New York
Times bestseller list?
Speaker 8 (46:15):
Uh, well, that's funny you bring that up. The New
York Times Bestseller list is obviously a thing you want
because it's bragging rights, essentially, and everyone knows how much
I love to brag. It's one of my favorite things
to do is talk about myself and brag about myself.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
That said, it's.
Speaker 8 (46:30):
Also well known that if you're someone on the right
writing a book, you really have to sell so many
that they have no choice that they look stupid if
they keep you off the list.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
So am I going to make the list? I don't know.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
I guess right now it's killing it. I guess we'll
find out if you want to get it or information
on the book tour, or if you want to sign
copy and you want to try to stick it to
the New York Times Jesse kellybook dot com. I should
have gave that out earlier. That's where people go for it.
So the answer to that question is, I don't know, Seth.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I hope Nope.
Speaker 8 (47:00):
Right, If I don't, It's not like I'm going to
cry myself to sleep. But that's always a goal. I
wanted to sell as many as I can.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, speaking to what Jesse has done and is referencing here,
if you write a book that is not super left wing,
there's a lot of people out there who believe the
New York Times Bestseller List actually reflects the most purchased books.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
In any given week.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
It doesn't have a collection of super left wing bookstores
that they then create an algorithm with. And this I
didn't know this until I wrote my last book.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Jesse.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I was I think number five or six overall for
most sold copies in twenty eighteen, and I didn't make
the top twenty New York Times bestseller list.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
And you know why they don't include Amazon in the sales.
Oh yeah, that's correct. So so start with the place
where people buy the most books by far, if you're
buying physical books, is Amazon. They don't include that in
the list, and they do it based on, you know,
a collection of bookstores owned by blue haired cat ladies
who some of them, by the way, listen to our
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show and a right wing and we love them. But
these are the left wing variety. So Jesse that road.
It's a road challenge, of course, and that's kind of
the thing. Can you sell it would be nice more
than bragging rights, more than anything else. It would be
nice to stick it to them like that, to sell
so many that just out of shame, out of the
for the credibility of the list.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
They would have to put it on the list. So
of course you want that. Anyone with any ambition wants that.
Whether that'll happen or not, I don't know. Look, I
want people to read it and learn from it. That's
what I want.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
The other thing that's important is Buck and Jesse and
everybody out there listening. A lot of bookstores that are
physical in nature put the New York Times bestsellers in
the front of a store, so people might not know
who you are. And if you're on that list. Suddenly,
when you walk into a bookstore, your book is there,
easy accessed, easy to see. Somebody might pick it up
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that otherwise wouldn't. That's the other reason it has a
lot of impact.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Charles, Yeah, that's one of the Wait, wait, hold on second,
Jesse Als in Miami wants to weigh in with you.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Charles, what do you have for Jesse?
Speaker 9 (49:03):
Hey, gentlemen, good afternoon, Jesse. Sorry about your hairline there.
You know, I know you're talking. You're still growing growing
out of your hair. But anyway, I just wanted to
get your thoughts. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic. I'm worried
about Texas with all these illegals there, and I think
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if electoral college wise goes, if Texas goes, we're done.
And if you look at the county map of Lower Texas,
a lot of that has already changed blue. And I
just wanted to get your feedback.
Speaker 8 (49:36):
Commen, No, it's a it's a very good question. Let
me ease your fears though. Look, it's okay to be
worried about Texas, because you're right. Electorally, if we lose
the state of Texas, we're finished. But Texas is going
to be just fine. And let me explain why we
worry about people moving from blue states to red states
because we say, I don't bring your politics with you.
But the truth is, at least here in Texas, and
(49:58):
I know this from data from friend I have within
the state, so this is not me guessing.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
I know this.
Speaker 8 (50:03):
Over sixty percent of the people who move from blue
states to red states and come to Texas are voting Republican.
So yes, are we getting Democrats in that group. Yes,
But the truth is humans are migrating as human beings
always have, so they can live under their values. They
want to live around people who share their values. When
people leave from blue to red. I know it's common
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to complain about it when you're one of the people
who's already there, But the truth is it's making your
red state stronger. It is, and I understand that the
concern because what happens is you get these idiot GOP
governors who say, oh, bring your big business there, and
the business comes with ten thousand employees, and those are Democrats.
So that's generally a bad idea. But when people migrate
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on their own, when people move on their own, it
actually helps your state and if you're in a red
state and want to keep it that way.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
You should encourage it.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Here's some data, Jesse, to back up what you're saying.
In Florida, where I live, they had a Democrat advantage
in registration, which is amazing to think about. In twenty
eighteen when that election happened, which was a razor razor
thin governor's election, Democrats had a two hundred and fifty
thousand registered voter advantage Republicans as of this year. As
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of this I think it was certainly the first quarter
of this year had about a half a million advantage.
So this switch, I think it might be a three
or four hundred thousand now something like that. The switch
is massive, and so the inflow of Florida has been
overwhelmingly Republican. There's also some registration efforts in the state
for people that were already here that are part of that,
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but a lot of it is red state. People living
in blue states say, how about trying a red state?
Speaker 6 (51:47):
Now?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah, just Ania state concern Jesse and Texas, you and Florida,
me and Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think it's made it way redder everywhere. Jesse.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
I bet that's what you're seeing. You kind of hinted
at that with the data from ten As well.
Speaker 8 (52:01):
Well, yeah, it's everywhere. We do not see a massive
influx of democrats here. And in fact, this is why
I talk about anti communism. This is why these red
states like Tennessee and Florida. Well, Florida has been better
about this, Texas, Texas has sucked at this. They should
be passing laws, these anti communist laws, just to drive
the communists crazy. And this is what I mean. You
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pass a law like let's say you pass a law
they don't like, an abortion restriction law. People will argue
back and forth about abortion. But if you pass one
of these laws, you will find the commedies you don't
want in your state will self deport they will. When
you start overwhelming them with anti communism, the communists will
flee and make your state, make your state.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Redder as they leave. We are not near.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
Aggressive enough with these scum, and we need to be
more aggressive.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
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