May 25, 2023 • 37 mins
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis joins Clay and Buck after declaring his presidential candidacy. DeSantis talks about why he can beat Joe Biden, what he can do to jump-start the economy for working-class Americans, if he'll pardon the Jan. 6 defendants or Donald Trump, how he'll fix the border, the attacks on his wife -- and if he'd rather be playing professional baseball. C&B play DeSantis' announcement and Trump's immediate attacks. C&B speak with passionate callers. Does Trump's loyalty argument against DeSantis make sense?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us this Thursday edition. Right off
the top. He announced officially for president yesterday. He is
with us now, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Governor.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I know you're in a whirlwind right now.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We appreciate you coming on with us live right off
the top of the show here, and I'm going to
hit you with the question that everybody listening to us
wants to know the answer to. You say you can
beat Joe Biden, you think Donald Trump cannot. Why are
you the right choice? Why is Trump the wrong choice?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, we know the country's going in the wrong direction.
We see it with our own eyes and we can
feel it in our bones, and so we need to
offer an alternative path to a stronger America. And I
think what we've done in Florida is face bigger test
than any governor has ever had to face, particularly with COVID,
and we were a to win all of those battles.
(01:02):
We took a state that had been a fifty to
fifty state and turned it into a sixty forty state
with my reelection. And that's not just winning Republicans, that's
winning independent voters by eighteen percent, it's winning sixty percent
of Hispanic voters, winning women voters by eight percent. I
never contorted myself to try to fit the political wins.
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I was a bold leader. It was bold colors, not
pale pastels. But I was able to do that in
a way that really developed the groundswell of support. I
think the vast majority of the country wants a different
direction than what they're getting with Joe Biden, and I
think that if I'm the candidate, we will win, and
I think we will win convincingly. In my promise to
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the voters participating in this primary, if you nominate me,
then January twentieth, twenty twenty five, my left hand will
beyond the Bible, my right hand will be up in
the air on the west side of the Capitol, and
I'll take the oath as President number forty seven. And
then we'll get to work and we will do in
the US all the good things that we did in
the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Governor de Santis, it's buck appreciate you being here with
us and congrats on the announcement and getting into the
mix here. It's going to be an interesting primary. We
all expect that. I was wondering what your message is
to a lot of the folks out there who want
to hear about an economic vision about how things can
get better for them. We know the Biden economy stinks,
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everyone's clear on that. We know inflation has been at
forty year highs. What are the things that you would
do that would, specifically as president, help the working men
and women, many of whom feel forgotten by the Biden administration?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Absolutely Well. First, I could point out nobody has done
better on the economy than we have in Florida since
COVID started. My whole administration has been strong. But if
you look at a lot of the problems we see
with our overall national economy, they're rooted in March of
twenty twenty with FALCI, the lockdowns, the FED printing all
the money. We've bucked all of that, and we kept
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people free, open schools. We have the great pats and
regulatory climate, and we've had people coming to invest in
Florida in record numbers. People are doing very well here.
Our unemployment rate is two point six percent. Blue California
and New York are like four to four point one percent,
So that's a significant difference, and we've outperformed the country.
So that's a great track record to run on. What
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you do as president is one, you deal with inflation
by doing really three main things. One, stop spending so
much money. A president needs to wield the veto pen
against the spendthrift Congress. We have not had a president
willing to do that in a long time. I will
do it because that's part of the reason inflation is
where it is. Two, reverse Biden's energy policies. Embrace domestic
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energy production. That will help lower inflation because energy costs
are an important part of that. It's also good for
our national security and it's good for jobs. And then three,
you know, the Federal Reserve is a big part of
this problem because they printed such an ungodly amount of money.
Their role should be to maintain a stable dollar. They
should not be economic central planners, and you need to
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have somebody in the Federal Reserve that is going to
respect that limited role. We also have to look at
the left's agenda. What they're doing is they're making it
impossible for middle class people to maintain that standard of
living because the energy costs will go up. They have
all these other mandates on things like automobiles, for example.
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I don't think that we should be forcing people in
the electric cars. If you want to do that, that's fine.
Why would we want to rely on China for more
key materials and a key part of our economy. It
makes no sense from a national security perspective. We'll also
look at ways to lighten the tax burden. We've done
that in Florida. We just signed tax relief no taxes
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on any baby items, so we want to help families,
so that's all tax free. Now we have a toll
relief program where we're reducing tolls by fifty percent. So
finding ways that the people that are working hard get
reliefed because I think what Biden and the Democrats have
done is you're almost better off not doing it the
right way. The people that just show up for work
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every day, work hard, they don't ask for anything special,
they end up having the more difficult time making ends meet. Meanwhile,
if you do the wrong things, or if you're just
politically connected to the agenda, then you end up better off.
And that's not what the American dream is all about.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
We're talking to Florida Governor Ron des Atsis.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
He announced yesterday he is joining us live here to
start off the program. I'm sure you agree. You have
a law background. You've obviously been very aggressive legally in
what you can and cannot do as a governor of
Florida Department of Justice. The FBI has gone after the
January sixth defendants with reckless I would say abandoned. A
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big part of being president is hardened powers.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Do you think the.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
January sixth defendants deserve to have their cases examined by
a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged
with federal offenses and you are the president of the
United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself
based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The DOJ and FBI have been weaponized. We see that.
We see it in a variety of contexts. Some of
what you mentioned. Some of it as the FBI going
after parents, going to school board meetings. Some of it's
how they treat a pro life demonstrator, how they don't
go after people that are attacking pro lifers, And so
what I'm going to do is I'm going to do
on day one. I will have folks that will get
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together and look at all these cases who people are
victims of weaponization or political targeting, and we will be
aggressive at issuing pardon. Now, some of these cases, some
people may have a technical violation of the law, but
if there are three other people who did the same
thing but just in a context like BLM and they
don't get prosecuted at all, that is uneven application of justice.
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And so we're going to find ways where that did
not happen, and then we will use the pardon power.
And I will do that at the front end. You know,
a lot of people wait until the end of the
administration to issue pardons. We're going to find examples where
government's been weaponized against disfavored groups, and we will apply
relief as appropriate. But it will be done on a
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case by case basis, because I think you've got to
make sure that there's a whole bunch of cases that
don't necessarily get headlines. But if people are being treated
just because they don't get on a TV or something,
they're being treated disfavorably, they need to have a fair
hearing as well.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And that could be from a grandma who got arrested
and prosecuted too much, all the way up to potentially
Trump himself. Is that fair to say when you analyze
what the charges might have been brought on a federal level.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I would say any example of this favored treatment based
on politics or weaponization would would be included in that review,
no matter how small or how big.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Governor.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
One more for you, so I know you've got a
very busy day ahead of you. And actually wait, Clay
has one more, two at the very end, so we
got two more for you. But what we promise will
be quick. The border, huge problem at the borders. We
all know six million illegals, give or take, have come
into the country. You just signed something in Florida that
implements e verify, which is actually dealing with the illegal
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population in Florida in a way that Republicans have said
they've wanted to for a long time. What does a
federal policy look like under De Santis administration to deal
with both the border and illegal immigrants who are already here.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So national emergency declared on day one, all resources mobilized,
including the military, at the southern border. Construction of the
border wall starts, and we will keep going until we
finish that. We will stop entertaining asylum claim for people
that come illegally across the border. These are mostly economic migrants,
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and that's not the way you do asylum, and so
we'll make that very clear. And then we're going to
hold the drug cartels accountable for what they're doing and
trafficking people into our country and trafficking in a huge
amounts of narcotics that's killing tens of thousands of Americans.
Now overall, I would do everify nationwide. That you have
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to do that through Congress. That's very difficult to do.
It was hard to do in Florida because you have
the left that opposes it because they want illegal immigration.
But then you also have big business and corporations who
also want illegal immigration because they want the cheap labor.
So that was a very difficult nut for us to
crack in Florida. We finally got it done, and I
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think it's going to make a big, big difference, and
so we would definitely look at doing those things. But
this issue has persisted throughout my entire adult lifetime, and
we've had Republicans talking about it for decades. This is
the time to finally put the issue to bed, and
I will do it on day one, and I'll use
all the lovers at my disposal to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Combo question for you here. Your wife, Casey's fantastic. She's
already gotten attacked by Politico. They called her basically Lady Macbeth.
I'm wondering what you think about your family already in
the line of fire. Second part of this this is
a little bit different question. But you now are running
for president of the United States. I think your first
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love was baseball. If you could have had a pro
baseball career, would you have ever gotten in politics? Would
you be running for governor, congressman, and now president at all?
If you had been a little bit better baseball player.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I mean, if I had had a spot in the
major leagues in my early twenties, I would have taken
that about anything else that anyone could have offered me,
and I would have played as long as I could have.
I mean, that's just when you're in the sports, just
what you do. So I absolutely would have done that.
I wouldn't have thought twice about it, and would have
loved to have that privilege, and you know, it's tough
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because that's ninety nine point ninety nine percentile that you
got to get into to get to that level. Look,
in terms of the family, my wife and I know
how this game works. We were not surprised by it. Obviously,
the media will get anonymous sources and people that already
don't like us, who don't even really know us, and
they'll try to create narratives. And the good news is
is most people realize for what that is. They don't
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accept the narratives, and they realize and understand, Gee, this
casey Dissanna. She must be really good. Otherwise the media
wouldn't be going after And the fact is she's been
an incredible first lady for Florida. She's made a huge
difference across multiple issues. She's obviously a wonderful mother and wife,
and she's a heck of an advocate to have out
there on the campaign trail. These guys in the corporate press,
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they know that and that's why they're doing it. They're
not to attacking anybody else's spouse. It's just her, So
we understand that just with the territory. But like when
they attack me, we both view it as a sin
of strength. Ever since I won reelection, like I've been
the number one target of attacks. She's getting attacked because
people know that we're forced to be reckoned with. We
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are a threat to the lefts hold on power in
this country, and that's why we're always targeted for negative coverage.
But you know what, you know they are right that
we represent a threat to leftism in this country because
we beat leftism in Florida in ways nobody would have
thought possible just five years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Governor Ron de Santas of Florida, he is running, Folks, Governor,
it is going to be a heck of a primary.
Appreciate you making time for us, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Thanks so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will open up phone lines, by
the way, eight hundred two eight two two eight a two.
You can react to that, to the announcement all and
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Speaker 6 (14:11):
The truth must be our foundation, and common sense can
no longer be an uncommon virtue in Florida. We prove
that it can be done. We chose facts over fear,
education over indoctrination. Law and order over rioting and disorder.
We held the line when freedom hung in the balance.
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We showed that we can and must revitalize America. We
need the courage to lead and the strength to win.
I'm RONDI Santis and I'm running for president to lead
our great American comeback.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The Great American Comeback is the slogan right now for
Rondo Santis campaign officially launched. So now when we talk
about the Dessentis for President campaign, it's not a when
will it be official? It is we are. We have
passed that threshold. After yesterday there was the launch on Twitter.
We can talk a bit about that. Obviously, Trump right
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away on truth Social Salvos unleashed at the DeSantis camp
and Maga Inc. Went out with this attack ad right
away play clip twelve.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Please.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
Play it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Welcome to our run to Santas Twitter space. Hello, is
my microphone working correctly?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
George?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Can you just wait while we know.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So anyway, guys, I just wanted to announce that I'm gay.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I can hear the governor very very shut up.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Shut up already, I'm running for president.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Okay, yeah, we kind of already. Congratulations Governor.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Well that concludes our Twitter space for today.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Thank you to all of our Hold your horses.
Speaker 9 (15:57):
Elon, the real president is going to say a few
words the devil. I'm gonna kick your ass very soon. Hitler,
you're already dead. Dick Cheney sounds like you'll be joining
Hitler very soon. Klaus Schwab and George Soros, I'm putting
both your asses in jail and run to sanctimonious.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Can kiss my big beautiful.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Twenty twenty four presidential ass Trump twenty twenty four, Baby,
let's go.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Can we just tell you I hadn't? That is their
actual That is the actual ad that the Trump pack
put out, something about Charles Schwab or whatever. Look, because
I want to be clear, we're playing the announcement. We're
playing the response from the Trump camp. Okay, we're not.
You play the announcement audio, we play the Trump camp audio.
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What was that? I mean, I mean that honestly, what
was that?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
They're making fun? So will we come back. We need
to talk about open up the line. You by the way,
and you were frustrated. You're like, oh, you know, no
one's in the tank for anybody. It's a platform, baby,
We're in a primary.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
We got two heavyweight boxers and we're trying to call
the match.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So what I would say is, I'm fascinated by the
decision to go on spaces and we come back. We'll
talk about it a little bit, but I want everybody
out there to think.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Which is on Twitter, which I didn't even really know
what Spaces was before.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That I'd spent one time in a Spaces. I've actually
asked Elon a question on it before. I think it's
super interesting as Twitter tries to evolve from a primarily
text platform to a audio and video platform. But we
come back buck When I launched out Kick the first
time the website got knocked offline. We've had a lot
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of our advertisers who we have knocked their websites off.
You guys, we've overloaded the servers thanks to all of you,
appreciate it. And so I would analyze this in the
context of the first twenty minutes when the Space's announcement
was supposed to go, too many people tried to get
in and overloaded the servers. What does that mean, how
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does it break down? Is there any significance going forward?
And now that DeSantis is actually in what do we
expect this battle to really look like this heavyweight fight.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
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Speaker 2 (19:06):
Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show Buck. I
thought maybe the most newsworthy I haven't heard Desanta say
this anywhere so far, was that on his first day
in office, and I'm paraphrasing, we'll share the audio from
the Clay and Buck account that he would consider pardoning
any January sixth defendant that he believes was politically prosecuted,
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including all the way up to potentially the President of
the United States. And that's a super significant aspect here, because,
as we have said on this show, we expect Donald
Trump to be charged not only as he already has
in New York City, but in Georgia. Now, to be fair,
the president of the United States doesn't have any control
over state charges, but we expect for Trump to be
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charged in federal Department of Justice charges as well, and
the president of the United States can latterly pardon anyone
of federal charges. So if DeSantis entered into office and said, hey,
I believe that these Trump charges are politically motivated, and
he pardoned Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I think that's the right decision. First of all.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I also think it's a bold decision to take because
I haven't seen any other Republican candidates so far speak
to the fact that he would be or she would
be willing to consider pardoning Trump over what is clearly
a political prosecution that has been put in place by
the Biden Department of Justice.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
So far, Let's get to some of the calls, because
I know we got a lot of people that wanted
to weigh in on this one. The DeSantis announcement has happened.
There was we didn't really talk about this much, a
little bit of a tech issue. At the beginning of
the Twitter spaces announcement, Elon was there. Some people may
have made a big deal out of this. They ended
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up getting on with it, and now there have been
millions of people who have listened to it. Some people
like the way the announcement went down, some don't. Some
people support the campaign, some don't. So we're gonna let
everybody way in who we have time to get in here,
and we're just gonna take.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Him in order.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Vivian in Myrtle Beach, Vivian, what do you got for us.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Hi there, good afternoon. Hey, Hey, I just want comment
on the spaces. I like the announcement on the web,
but it's basic web services one oh one. They should
have parsed the traffic and been prepared for that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So let me let me comment on that for a minute, Vivian,
because I will say I don't I think there is
a misapprehension out there that everything can be handled on
the web in terms of traffic. And let me give
you an example. If you're an NBA fan and you
were watching basketball on YouTube, it got knocked offline. Uh,
if you are a fan of a lot of different
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large audiences, we don't have the capability on the internet
right now. To instance, put the Super Bowl on the
Internet and have everybody be able to watch it. You
need the cable, you need the satellite. We don't have
the pipes to be able to handle it. So I
would equate this on some level from a tech perspective
to there's no way to have a simulation of the numbers,
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and the numbers were so large. I'm sure Elon Musk
was furious, but sometimes it's almost like a rocket going
up and having to explode until you put the prospect
the pipes, you're in a whole tech through it. You
can't prepare for that level of pressure on it. So
maybe you can say, hey, they should have been thinking
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about the fact that there might be so much interest
that there could have been a delay of twenty minutes
like there was. That's a very fair criticism, I think.
But I think the pipes are not yet constructed to
be able to handle potentially millions of people trying to
all come in at the same time to listen. But
that's that's my tech analysis. And Vivian, you had, you
had some more. I know you were still going there,
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you got and just quickly.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I have a tech background and web services and messaging background,
so I know there's ways to handle it. They just didn't.
So But to the other point on DeSantis, you know,
I'm from a military family, I'm conservative, so there's a
lot about him I like. But I am concerned that
he has gone ahead and it's perceived betraying the support
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he was given by Trump to even become governor of Florida,
and I'm concerned about how that splits the Magas and
the Republican Party. And then the second point is just
about you know, he does not have that charisma. There's
a lot I like about how he messages, how candied
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and direct, and he doesn't mince words. I like that,
but it puts off a lot of people, and I
think the media is really and of course the Democrats
are jumping on it and just spreading so much negativity
about him, you know, and obfiscating what he's trying to
do in protecting kids.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Well, they're definitely, I mean, they're definitely lying about them.
They've lied about the school book bands. I mean, you know,
the general media that that that has been a tactic
that they've been doing for for a long time, since
before the primary even was a thought. Vivian, thanks for
calling in. Michael and Colorado next up on our list.
What's up, Michael?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Michael, Yes, can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
We all the whole country? Ken, what's going on? My friend?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
I am one on Trump.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
I'm sorry on DeSantis and as at the canes to Trump,
we had him for four years.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
About four years is not.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
What I want. I want eight years of DeSantis.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Thank you, Gary and Saint Louis. You're next up. Gary,
what's going on?
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Hey, guys? Great show? And this is coming from a
guy who I was for Trump's policies. I voted for him,
but I get the feeling that it more about Trump
himself than the job. I cannot tell you how glad
I am, how happy I am DeSantis announced his candidacy
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because I think the guy is one hundred percent class.
I don't think he will get caught up in this
back and forth, is arguing and inviting this fighting from
the other side. I think DeSantis is the kind of
guy who again will point to the scoreboard and let
his accomplishment speak for themselves. I will vote for the guy.
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I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Thanks for the call.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
A lot of different perspectives, Mike down in Tampa, Florida. Mike,
you're in Florida where Ron DeSantis obviously the governor. What
do you think of the announcement? What do you think
of the Trump versus DeSantis battle.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
It's gonna be something to watch. But I personally think
that I voted for DeSantis twice. I like him very
much of being a good governor. I think he comes
across a little arrogant. Hey, O man, step aside for
my forty four year old Harvard law graduates. You know,
We've had a lawyer in the White House two two terms,
and the bar Barack wasn't too good. So I'm not
a big lawyer guy in the white House. But having
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said that, I think it comes across arrogant and doesn't
have a great personality. And frankly, you know, he doesn't
have any foreign policy experience. He's got no record on
killing terrorists, he's got no national economic record. And I
think Trump has said he pardoned the January sixth people
as well. I think pretty sure he has. So I
know there was Trump light. I don't need. I'd rather have.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah Trump to be fair, Trump said in the CNN
interview that he would pardon the January sixth defendants. What
I'm saying is interesting from a DeSantis perspective is the
idea of pardoning Trump himself is something that no other
Republican Canada has said.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yep, all right, thank you, Matt. We'll take one more
Matt in Ohio. Wow, we're going all around the country here, Matt,
what's up?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (26:48):
My two cents on the DeSantis interview.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I love the guy.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
I love the way he comes off. I don't find
him brash or offensive.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I love what he said about the border lobby said.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
About political corruption in January sixth. Everything that the guy
sayings on point. It's very concise, and I think it
would be a breath of fresh air to see the
Santas be able to debate in the upcoming elections against
whoever the front runner is for the Democrats. But as
far as I'm concerned, I'm a registered Republican. I'm voting
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for DeSantis in the primaries.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's interesting, Buck. I would just say this when we
come back. The loyalty argument, to me is really an
interesting one. And I'll tell you my perspective because we
had was it Vivian and Myrtle b who basically said
with us, hey, I think it's disloyal, and the caller
down in Tampa said, Hey, you know, I think he's
kind of saying, get out of my way, old man.
(27:48):
I think that's a really intriguing angle, and let's dive into,
or at least I'll give you a little bit of
a perspective on the way I think about the loyalty argument,
which is certainly one that Trump has made against DeSantis,
and I think is going to play out quite a
lot over the next several months.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Associated with We'll get into it. We're going to take
more calls. Also, just want to note that later on
Joe Biden tweeted out today from his official account about
the George Floyd anniversary, which is now a day that
apparently Democrats commemorate from the absolute top of the apparatus
on down. We'll discuss that. Also, what is the financial
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situation of Black Lives Matter the organization? At this point
you take a guess, it's not so good. Where all
the money go, Where all the money go for BLM.
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that doesn't mean that you can't get through. We'll get
to you later. On the loyalty argument, Clay, you want
(30:40):
to dive into this one, I would just say I
think it's interesting the loyalty argument from the Trump perspective.
He's going to run up against this, which is is
loyalty with Trump a two way street, meaning look at
Trump's vice president, look at Trump's attorney general. Second, you
know last attorney general, well, actually either attorney general for
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that matter. I remember sitting down with Trump of the
Oval Office while Jeff Sessions was his attorney general. He's like,
I even have an attorney general. He told me that
in the Oval we reported on this, right, I think
that might be a tougher argument for him to make
when someone's pushing back on it. Then you've heard so far,
because if the expectation is loyalty, that is only one way.
(31:24):
That's not truly loyalty. But I've never heard this argument
before in American politics. It's also a first So what
do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, so I come at it from the sports perspective,
and let me just give you an analogy. Most head
coaches in sports begin as assistant coaches. Right, and you
know I've got you on the road for college football. Now,
the most famous former assistant coach of Nick Saban now
Kirby Smart. Right, Kirby Smart is the head coach of Georgia.
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Georgia has won two straight national championships in college football,
and along the way, Kirby Smart has had to beat
Nick Saban. It's one hundred percent fair to point out
that Kirby Smart would not be the head coach of
Georgia if he hadn't first been the defensive coordinator of
Nick Saban, which is a default endorsement. Right, I'm hiring
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you for this important job. You did such a good
job as my defensive coordinator, Kirby Smart, you get the
Georgia job. Nick Saban would get obliterated if he went
out publicly and said, I think it's disloyal that Kirby
Smart is trying to beat me to win national championships,
because the only reason he got his job is because
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I gave him the job first.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And also, I think that another part of this argument
that's going to get more focused, because this is a
very conceptive. We hear of this a lot, a lot
of people calling in this say you know I since
also now we're getting more people who are saying, look,
I respect what DeSantis has done as governor Florida. He
has clearly as a conservative governed as governor well, but
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I still think Trump is my guy for the find reason.
I'm hearing more of that one of And when I
say hearing, I mean from all of you, all of
you listening, the way you call in, the way you
write in. But one thing that I'm also noticing is
the loyalty argument seems to be very high in the
minds of some of those who have already thrown in
for Trump immediately. And I think a pitch that Ron
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is going to if this comes up, and it probably
will inay soever will be well, is it loyalty to
a man or loyalty to the country and the constitution?
What matters more in these times? Listen to what we
talk about here on the show every day, the kinds
of struggles we face the realities of what's going on
with our border, the inflation that is making all of
us poorer because of the government spending that is underway,
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the rampant crime in major cities that Democrats seem to encourage.
They're not even upset by it. What matters more the
best man for the job, or a personal loyalty, which
is not like or as an oath here, but you
know what I mean. I think that's and so I'm
wondering for anybody who makes the loyalty argument, what would
you say to is it loyalty to Trump or loyalty
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to the American people and to saving the country? That
matters the most?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Politics is competition like sport, which is why I see
it in that context. It would be ludicrous for Nick
Saban to say Kirby Smart should never try to win
a championship because I gave him his start. So to me,
it's not a good argument for Trump to say Ron
DeSantis shouldn't try to become president because the only reason
he's getting the opportunity to be president is because I
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helped him become governor first. Well, yeah, right, Lots of
people become get to be CEOs or get to be
managers or head coaches because they're hired by someone else.
But competition is the essence of American life. That's what
capitalism is. If you become the CEO of PEPSI does
it mean because you used to work at coke back
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in the day, that you shouldn't try to have the
best soft drink if you think you are. I think
your argument is a good one. Loyalty to country matters
more to loyalty to individual. But I don't even look
at it that way. I just look at it as
the best man or woman should win.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But I'm not even sure there is such a thing
as loyalty to an individual who has endorsed you. I
don't think that's There was no promise of I'll never
run for president. Yeah, so it's not to say that
this is loyalty. Maybe respect would be an argument that
I can. You know, it's almost to respect your elder's argument,
or respect what Trump has done to this point that
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I can. That to me resonates a little more than loyalty.
Like this isn't a mob family, there's no Omerta here.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I think that's a good point. I also think that
the essence of DeSantis's candidacy. I believe he believes that
Trump will lose to Biden if Trump is the nominee.
I think that's that's the essence of DeSantis's argument. He
made it a little bit with us. I think he
could be clearer about it. Look, DeSantis basically is saying,
if I'm the nominee, I'm gonna beat Joe Biden. I
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think there are a lot of you out there listening
to us right now who like Trump and like DeSantis.
Both Buck and myself would certainly be in that camp.
But if you told me, hey, are you afraid that
if Trump's the nominee, He's going to lose to Joe Biden? Again,
yes i am. And my number one goal is Biden's
the worst president in my life.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
He has to be gone.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I want whoever the best person is to beat Biden
to be the Republican nominee.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
And it's interesting as well. You know, there are some
things we got to come up again, and I put
this out there for some of the folks who feel
very passionately already. I'm open minded about this both ways,
and we're not going to endorse either way. But you know,
Joe Biden wasn't even the nominee in twenty sixteen because
he was considered such a loser. Yeah, such a weak candidate.
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After eight years as vice president, he is now the president.
We have to figure out why. We have to figure
out how that happened everybody, and be very honest about
every ass backed up.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us this Thursday edition. Right off
the top. He announced officially for president yesterday. He is
with us now, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Governor.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I know you're in a whirlwind right now.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We appreciate you coming on with us live right off
the top of the show here, and I'm going to
hit you with the question that everybody listening to us
wants to know the answer to. You say you can
beat Joe Biden, you think Donald Trump cannot. Why are
you the right choice? Why is Trump the wrong choice?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, we know the country's going in the wrong direction.
We see it with our own eyes and we can
feel it in our bones, and so we need to
offer an alternative path to a stronger America. And I
think what we've done in Florida is face bigger test
than any governor has ever had to face, particularly with COVID,
and we were a to win all of those battles.
(01:02):
We took a state that had been a fifty to
fifty state and turned it into a sixty forty state
with my reelection. And that's not just winning Republicans, that's
winning independent voters by eighteen percent, it's winning sixty percent
of Hispanic voters, winning women voters by eight percent. I
never contorted myself to try to fit the political wins.
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I was a bold leader. It was bold colors, not
pale pastels. But I was able to do that in
a way that really developed the groundswell of support. I
think the vast majority of the country wants a different
direction than what they're getting with Joe Biden, and I
think that if I'm the candidate, we will win, and
I think we will win convincingly. In my promise to
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the voters participating in this primary, if you nominate me,
then January twentieth, twenty twenty five, my left hand will
beyond the Bible, my right hand will be up in
the air on the west side of the Capitol, and
I'll take the oath as President number forty seven. And
then we'll get to work and we will do in
the US all the good things that we did in
the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Governor de Santis, it's buck appreciate you being here with
us and congrats on the announcement and getting into the
mix here. It's going to be an interesting primary. We
all expect that. I was wondering what your message is
to a lot of the folks out there who want
to hear about an economic vision about how things can
get better for them. We know the Biden economy stinks,
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everyone's clear on that. We know inflation has been at
forty year highs. What are the things that you would
do that would, specifically as president, help the working men
and women, many of whom feel forgotten by the Biden administration?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Absolutely Well. First, I could point out nobody has done
better on the economy than we have in Florida since
COVID started. My whole administration has been strong. But if
you look at a lot of the problems we see
with our overall national economy, they're rooted in March of
twenty twenty with FALCI, the lockdowns, the FED printing all
the money. We've bucked all of that, and we kept
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people free, open schools. We have the great pats and
regulatory climate, and we've had people coming to invest in
Florida in record numbers. People are doing very well here.
Our unemployment rate is two point six percent. Blue California
and New York are like four to four point one percent,
So that's a significant difference, and we've outperformed the country.
So that's a great track record to run on. What
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you do as president is one, you deal with inflation
by doing really three main things. One, stop spending so
much money. A president needs to wield the veto pen
against the spendthrift Congress. We have not had a president
willing to do that in a long time. I will
do it because that's part of the reason inflation is
where it is. Two, reverse Biden's energy policies. Embrace domestic
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energy production. That will help lower inflation because energy costs
are an important part of that. It's also good for
our national security and it's good for jobs. And then three,
you know, the Federal Reserve is a big part of
this problem because they printed such an ungodly amount of money.
Their role should be to maintain a stable dollar. They
should not be economic central planners, and you need to
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have somebody in the Federal Reserve that is going to
respect that limited role. We also have to look at
the left's agenda. What they're doing is they're making it
impossible for middle class people to maintain that standard of
living because the energy costs will go up. They have
all these other mandates on things like automobiles, for example.
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I don't think that we should be forcing people in
the electric cars. If you want to do that, that's fine.
Why would we want to rely on China for more
key materials and a key part of our economy. It
makes no sense from a national security perspective. We'll also
look at ways to lighten the tax burden. We've done
that in Florida. We just signed tax relief no taxes
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on any baby items, so we want to help families,
so that's all tax free. Now we have a toll
relief program where we're reducing tolls by fifty percent. So
finding ways that the people that are working hard get
reliefed because I think what Biden and the Democrats have
done is you're almost better off not doing it the
right way. The people that just show up for work
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every day, work hard, they don't ask for anything special,
they end up having the more difficult time making ends meet. Meanwhile,
if you do the wrong things, or if you're just
politically connected to the agenda, then you end up better off.
And that's not what the American dream is all about.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
We're talking to Florida Governor Ron des Atsis.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
He announced yesterday he is joining us live here to
start off the program. I'm sure you agree. You have
a law background. You've obviously been very aggressive legally in
what you can and cannot do as a governor of
Florida Department of Justice. The FBI has gone after the
January sixth defendants with reckless I would say abandoned. A
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big part of being president is hardened powers.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Do you think the.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
January sixth defendants deserve to have their cases examined by
a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged
with federal offenses and you are the president of the
United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself
based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The DOJ and FBI have been weaponized. We see that.
We see it in a variety of contexts. Some of
what you mentioned. Some of it as the FBI going
after parents, going to school board meetings. Some of it's
how they treat a pro life demonstrator, how they don't
go after people that are attacking pro lifers, And so
what I'm going to do is I'm going to do
on day one. I will have folks that will get
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together and look at all these cases who people are
victims of weaponization or political targeting, and we will be
aggressive at issuing pardon. Now, some of these cases, some
people may have a technical violation of the law, but
if there are three other people who did the same
thing but just in a context like BLM and they
don't get prosecuted at all, that is uneven application of justice.
(07:09):
And so we're going to find ways where that did
not happen, and then we will use the pardon power.
And I will do that at the front end. You know,
a lot of people wait until the end of the
administration to issue pardons. We're going to find examples where
government's been weaponized against disfavored groups, and we will apply
relief as appropriate. But it will be done on a
(07:30):
case by case basis, because I think you've got to
make sure that there's a whole bunch of cases that
don't necessarily get headlines. But if people are being treated
just because they don't get on a TV or something,
they're being treated disfavorably, they need to have a fair
hearing as well.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And that could be from a grandma who got arrested
and prosecuted too much, all the way up to potentially
Trump himself. Is that fair to say when you analyze
what the charges might have been brought on a federal level.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I would say any example of this favored treatment based
on politics or weaponization would would be included in that review,
no matter how small or how big.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Governor.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
One more for you, so I know you've got a
very busy day ahead of you. And actually wait, Clay
has one more, two at the very end, so we
got two more for you. But what we promise will
be quick. The border, huge problem at the borders. We
all know six million illegals, give or take, have come
into the country. You just signed something in Florida that
implements e verify, which is actually dealing with the illegal
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population in Florida in a way that Republicans have said
they've wanted to for a long time. What does a
federal policy look like under De Santis administration to deal
with both the border and illegal immigrants who are already here.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So national emergency declared on day one, all resources mobilized,
including the military, at the southern border. Construction of the
border wall starts, and we will keep going until we
finish that. We will stop entertaining asylum claim for people
that come illegally across the border. These are mostly economic migrants,
(09:04):
and that's not the way you do asylum, and so
we'll make that very clear. And then we're going to
hold the drug cartels accountable for what they're doing and
trafficking people into our country and trafficking in a huge
amounts of narcotics that's killing tens of thousands of Americans.
Now overall, I would do everify nationwide. That you have
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to do that through Congress. That's very difficult to do.
It was hard to do in Florida because you have
the left that opposes it because they want illegal immigration.
But then you also have big business and corporations who
also want illegal immigration because they want the cheap labor.
So that was a very difficult nut for us to
crack in Florida. We finally got it done, and I
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think it's going to make a big, big difference, and
so we would definitely look at doing those things. But
this issue has persisted throughout my entire adult lifetime, and
we've had Republicans talking about it for decades. This is
the time to finally put the issue to bed, and
I will do it on day one, and I'll use
all the lovers at my disposal to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Combo question for you here. Your wife, Casey's fantastic. She's
already gotten attacked by Politico. They called her basically Lady Macbeth.
I'm wondering what you think about your family already in
the line of fire. Second part of this this is
a little bit different question. But you now are running
for president of the United States. I think your first
(10:30):
love was baseball. If you could have had a pro
baseball career, would you have ever gotten in politics? Would
you be running for governor, congressman, and now president at all?
If you had been a little bit better baseball player.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I mean, if I had had a spot in the
major leagues in my early twenties, I would have taken
that about anything else that anyone could have offered me,
and I would have played as long as I could have.
I mean, that's just when you're in the sports, just
what you do. So I absolutely would have done that.
I wouldn't have thought twice about it, and would have
loved to have that privilege, and you know, it's tough
(11:07):
because that's ninety nine point ninety nine percentile that you
got to get into to get to that level. Look,
in terms of the family, my wife and I know
how this game works. We were not surprised by it. Obviously,
the media will get anonymous sources and people that already
don't like us, who don't even really know us, and
they'll try to create narratives. And the good news is
is most people realize for what that is. They don't
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accept the narratives, and they realize and understand, Gee, this
casey Dissanna. She must be really good. Otherwise the media
wouldn't be going after And the fact is she's been
an incredible first lady for Florida. She's made a huge
difference across multiple issues. She's obviously a wonderful mother and wife,
and she's a heck of an advocate to have out
there on the campaign trail. These guys in the corporate press,
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they know that and that's why they're doing it. They're
not to attacking anybody else's spouse. It's just her, So
we understand that just with the territory. But like when
they attack me, we both view it as a sin
of strength. Ever since I won reelection, like I've been
the number one target of attacks. She's getting attacked because
people know that we're forced to be reckoned with. We
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are a threat to the lefts hold on power in
this country, and that's why we're always targeted for negative coverage.
But you know what, you know they are right that
we represent a threat to leftism in this country because
we beat leftism in Florida in ways nobody would have
thought possible just five years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Governor Ron de Santas of Florida, he is running, Folks, Governor,
it is going to be a heck of a primary.
Appreciate you making time for us, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Thanks so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will open up phone lines, by
the way, eight hundred two eight two two eight a two.
You can react to that, to the announcement all and
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Speaker 6 (14:11):
The truth must be our foundation, and common sense can
no longer be an uncommon virtue in Florida. We prove
that it can be done. We chose facts over fear,
education over indoctrination. Law and order over rioting and disorder.
We held the line when freedom hung in the balance.
(14:33):
We showed that we can and must revitalize America. We
need the courage to lead and the strength to win.
I'm RONDI Santis and I'm running for president to lead
our great American comeback.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The Great American Comeback is the slogan right now for
Rondo Santis campaign officially launched. So now when we talk
about the Dessentis for President campaign, it's not a when
will it be official? It is we are. We have
passed that threshold. After yesterday there was the launch on Twitter.
We can talk a bit about that. Obviously, Trump right
(15:11):
away on truth Social Salvos unleashed at the DeSantis camp
and Maga Inc. Went out with this attack ad right
away play clip twelve.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Please.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
Play it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Welcome to our run to Santas Twitter space. Hello, is
my microphone working correctly?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
George?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Can you just wait while we know.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So anyway, guys, I just wanted to announce that I'm gay.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I can hear the governor very very shut up.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Shut up already, I'm running for president.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Okay, yeah, we kind of already. Congratulations Governor.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Well that concludes our Twitter space for today.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Thank you to all of our Hold your horses.
Speaker 9 (15:57):
Elon, the real president is going to say a few
words the devil. I'm gonna kick your ass very soon. Hitler,
you're already dead. Dick Cheney sounds like you'll be joining
Hitler very soon. Klaus Schwab and George Soros, I'm putting
both your asses in jail and run to sanctimonious.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Can kiss my big beautiful.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Twenty twenty four presidential ass Trump twenty twenty four, Baby,
let's go.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Can we just tell you I hadn't? That is their
actual That is the actual ad that the Trump pack
put out, something about Charles Schwab or whatever. Look, because
I want to be clear, we're playing the announcement. We're
playing the response from the Trump camp. Okay, we're not.
You play the announcement audio, we play the Trump camp audio.
(16:40):
What was that? I mean, I mean that honestly, what
was that?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
They're making fun? So will we come back. We need
to talk about open up the line. You by the way,
and you were frustrated. You're like, oh, you know, no
one's in the tank for anybody. It's a platform, baby,
We're in a primary.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
We got two heavyweight boxers and we're trying to call
the match.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So what I would say is, I'm fascinated by the
decision to go on spaces and we come back. We'll
talk about it a little bit, but I want everybody
out there to think.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Which is on Twitter, which I didn't even really know
what Spaces was before.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That I'd spent one time in a Spaces. I've actually
asked Elon a question on it before. I think it's
super interesting as Twitter tries to evolve from a primarily
text platform to a audio and video platform. But we
come back buck When I launched out Kick the first
time the website got knocked offline. We've had a lot
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of our advertisers who we have knocked their websites off.
You guys, we've overloaded the servers thanks to all of you,
appreciate it. And so I would analyze this in the
context of the first twenty minutes when the Space's announcement
was supposed to go, too many people tried to get
in and overloaded the servers. What does that mean, how
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does it break down? Is there any significance going forward?
And now that DeSantis is actually in what do we
expect this battle to really look like this heavyweight fight.
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Speaker 2 (19:06):
Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show Buck. I
thought maybe the most newsworthy I haven't heard Desanta say
this anywhere so far, was that on his first day
in office, and I'm paraphrasing, we'll share the audio from
the Clay and Buck account that he would consider pardoning
any January sixth defendant that he believes was politically prosecuted,
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including all the way up to potentially the President of
the United States. And that's a super significant aspect here, because,
as we have said on this show, we expect Donald
Trump to be charged not only as he already has
in New York City, but in Georgia. Now, to be fair,
the president of the United States doesn't have any control
over state charges, but we expect for Trump to be
(19:52):
charged in federal Department of Justice charges as well, and
the president of the United States can latterly pardon anyone
of federal charges. So if DeSantis entered into office and said, hey,
I believe that these Trump charges are politically motivated, and
he pardoned Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I think that's the right decision. First of all.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I also think it's a bold decision to take because
I haven't seen any other Republican candidates so far speak
to the fact that he would be or she would
be willing to consider pardoning Trump over what is clearly
a political prosecution that has been put in place by
the Biden Department of Justice.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
So far, Let's get to some of the calls, because
I know we got a lot of people that wanted
to weigh in on this one. The DeSantis announcement has happened.
There was we didn't really talk about this much, a
little bit of a tech issue. At the beginning of
the Twitter spaces announcement, Elon was there. Some people may
have made a big deal out of this. They ended
(20:56):
up getting on with it, and now there have been
millions of people who have listened to it. Some people
like the way the announcement went down, some don't. Some
people support the campaign, some don't. So we're gonna let
everybody way in who we have time to get in here,
and we're just gonna take.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Him in order.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Vivian in Myrtle Beach, Vivian, what do you got for us.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Hi there, good afternoon. Hey, Hey, I just want comment
on the spaces. I like the announcement on the web,
but it's basic web services one oh one. They should
have parsed the traffic and been prepared for that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So let me let me comment on that for a minute, Vivian,
because I will say I don't I think there is
a misapprehension out there that everything can be handled on
the web in terms of traffic. And let me give
you an example. If you're an NBA fan and you
were watching basketball on YouTube, it got knocked offline. Uh,
if you are a fan of a lot of different
(21:54):
large audiences, we don't have the capability on the internet
right now. To instance, put the Super Bowl on the
Internet and have everybody be able to watch it. You
need the cable, you need the satellite. We don't have
the pipes to be able to handle it. So I
would equate this on some level from a tech perspective
to there's no way to have a simulation of the numbers,
(22:17):
and the numbers were so large. I'm sure Elon Musk
was furious, but sometimes it's almost like a rocket going
up and having to explode until you put the prospect
the pipes, you're in a whole tech through it. You
can't prepare for that level of pressure on it. So
maybe you can say, hey, they should have been thinking
(22:39):
about the fact that there might be so much interest
that there could have been a delay of twenty minutes
like there was. That's a very fair criticism, I think.
But I think the pipes are not yet constructed to
be able to handle potentially millions of people trying to
all come in at the same time to listen. But
that's that's my tech analysis. And Vivian, you had, you
had some more. I know you were still going there,
(23:00):
you got and just quickly.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I have a tech background and web services and messaging background,
so I know there's ways to handle it. They just didn't.
So But to the other point on DeSantis, you know,
I'm from a military family, I'm conservative, so there's a
lot about him I like. But I am concerned that
he has gone ahead and it's perceived betraying the support
(23:25):
he was given by Trump to even become governor of Florida,
and I'm concerned about how that splits the Magas and
the Republican Party. And then the second point is just
about you know, he does not have that charisma. There's
a lot I like about how he messages, how candied
(23:45):
and direct, and he doesn't mince words. I like that,
but it puts off a lot of people, and I
think the media is really and of course the Democrats
are jumping on it and just spreading so much negativity
about him, you know, and obfiscating what he's trying to
do in protecting kids.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Well, they're definitely, I mean, they're definitely lying about them.
They've lied about the school book bands. I mean, you know,
the general media that that that has been a tactic
that they've been doing for for a long time, since
before the primary even was a thought. Vivian, thanks for
calling in. Michael and Colorado next up on our list.
What's up, Michael?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Michael, Yes, can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
We all the whole country? Ken, what's going on? My friend?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
I am one on Trump.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
I'm sorry on DeSantis and as at the canes to Trump,
we had him for four years.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
About four years is not.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
What I want. I want eight years of DeSantis.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Thank you, Gary and Saint Louis. You're next up. Gary,
what's going on?
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Hey, guys? Great show? And this is coming from a
guy who I was for Trump's policies. I voted for him,
but I get the feeling that it more about Trump
himself than the job. I cannot tell you how glad
I am, how happy I am DeSantis announced his candidacy
(25:09):
because I think the guy is one hundred percent class.
I don't think he will get caught up in this
back and forth, is arguing and inviting this fighting from
the other side. I think DeSantis is the kind of
guy who again will point to the scoreboard and let
his accomplishment speak for themselves. I will vote for the guy.
(25:31):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Thanks for the call.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
A lot of different perspectives, Mike down in Tampa, Florida. Mike,
you're in Florida where Ron DeSantis obviously the governor. What
do you think of the announcement? What do you think
of the Trump versus DeSantis battle.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
It's gonna be something to watch. But I personally think
that I voted for DeSantis twice. I like him very
much of being a good governor. I think he comes
across a little arrogant. Hey, O man, step aside for
my forty four year old Harvard law graduates. You know,
We've had a lawyer in the White House two two terms,
and the bar Barack wasn't too good. So I'm not
a big lawyer guy in the white House. But having
(26:07):
said that, I think it comes across arrogant and doesn't
have a great personality. And frankly, you know, he doesn't
have any foreign policy experience. He's got no record on
killing terrorists, he's got no national economic record. And I
think Trump has said he pardoned the January sixth people
as well. I think pretty sure he has. So I
know there was Trump light. I don't need. I'd rather have.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah Trump to be fair, Trump said in the CNN
interview that he would pardon the January sixth defendants. What
I'm saying is interesting from a DeSantis perspective is the
idea of pardoning Trump himself is something that no other
Republican Canada has said.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yep, all right, thank you, Matt. We'll take one more
Matt in Ohio. Wow, we're going all around the country here, Matt,
what's up?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (26:48):
My two cents on the DeSantis interview.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I love the guy.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
I love the way he comes off. I don't find
him brash or offensive.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I love what he said about the border lobby said.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
About political corruption in January sixth. Everything that the guy
sayings on point. It's very concise, and I think it
would be a breath of fresh air to see the
Santas be able to debate in the upcoming elections against
whoever the front runner is for the Democrats. But as
far as I'm concerned, I'm a registered Republican. I'm voting
(27:23):
for DeSantis in the primaries.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's interesting, Buck. I would just say this when we
come back. The loyalty argument, to me is really an
interesting one. And I'll tell you my perspective because we
had was it Vivian and Myrtle b who basically said
with us, hey, I think it's disloyal, and the caller
down in Tampa said, Hey, you know, I think he's
kind of saying, get out of my way, old man.
(27:48):
I think that's a really intriguing angle, and let's dive into,
or at least I'll give you a little bit of
a perspective on the way I think about the loyalty argument,
which is certainly one that Trump has made against DeSantis,
and I think is going to play out quite a
lot over the next several months.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Associated with We'll get into it. We're going to take
more calls. Also, just want to note that later on
Joe Biden tweeted out today from his official account about
the George Floyd anniversary, which is now a day that
apparently Democrats commemorate from the absolute top of the apparatus
on down. We'll discuss that. Also, what is the financial
(28:27):
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you take a guess, it's not so good. Where all
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that doesn't mean that you can't get through. We'll get
to you later. On the loyalty argument, Clay, you want
(30:40):
to dive into this one, I would just say I
think it's interesting the loyalty argument from the Trump perspective.
He's going to run up against this, which is is
loyalty with Trump a two way street, meaning look at
Trump's vice president, look at Trump's attorney general. Second, you
know last attorney general, well, actually either attorney general for
(31:03):
that matter. I remember sitting down with Trump of the
Oval Office while Jeff Sessions was his attorney general. He's like,
I even have an attorney general. He told me that
in the Oval we reported on this, right, I think
that might be a tougher argument for him to make
when someone's pushing back on it. Then you've heard so far,
because if the expectation is loyalty, that is only one way.
(31:24):
That's not truly loyalty. But I've never heard this argument
before in American politics. It's also a first So what
do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, so I come at it from the sports perspective,
and let me just give you an analogy. Most head
coaches in sports begin as assistant coaches. Right, and you
know I've got you on the road for college football. Now,
the most famous former assistant coach of Nick Saban now
Kirby Smart. Right, Kirby Smart is the head coach of Georgia.
(31:57):
Georgia has won two straight national championships in college football,
and along the way, Kirby Smart has had to beat
Nick Saban. It's one hundred percent fair to point out
that Kirby Smart would not be the head coach of
Georgia if he hadn't first been the defensive coordinator of
Nick Saban, which is a default endorsement. Right, I'm hiring
(32:18):
you for this important job. You did such a good
job as my defensive coordinator, Kirby Smart, you get the
Georgia job. Nick Saban would get obliterated if he went
out publicly and said, I think it's disloyal that Kirby
Smart is trying to beat me to win national championships,
because the only reason he got his job is because
(32:40):
I gave him the job first.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And also, I think that another part of this argument
that's going to get more focused, because this is a
very conceptive. We hear of this a lot, a lot
of people calling in this say you know I since
also now we're getting more people who are saying, look,
I respect what DeSantis has done as governor Florida. He
has clearly as a conservative governed as governor well, but
(33:04):
I still think Trump is my guy for the find reason.
I'm hearing more of that one of And when I
say hearing, I mean from all of you, all of
you listening, the way you call in, the way you
write in. But one thing that I'm also noticing is
the loyalty argument seems to be very high in the
minds of some of those who have already thrown in
for Trump immediately. And I think a pitch that Ron
(33:24):
is going to if this comes up, and it probably
will inay soever will be well, is it loyalty to
a man or loyalty to the country and the constitution?
What matters more in these times? Listen to what we
talk about here on the show every day, the kinds
of struggles we face the realities of what's going on
with our border, the inflation that is making all of
us poorer because of the government spending that is underway,
(33:48):
the rampant crime in major cities that Democrats seem to encourage.
They're not even upset by it. What matters more the
best man for the job, or a personal loyalty, which
is not like or as an oath here, but you
know what I mean. I think that's and so I'm
wondering for anybody who makes the loyalty argument, what would
you say to is it loyalty to Trump or loyalty
(34:09):
to the American people and to saving the country? That
matters the most?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Politics is competition like sport, which is why I see
it in that context. It would be ludicrous for Nick
Saban to say Kirby Smart should never try to win
a championship because I gave him his start. So to me,
it's not a good argument for Trump to say Ron
DeSantis shouldn't try to become president because the only reason
he's getting the opportunity to be president is because I
(34:35):
helped him become governor first. Well, yeah, right, Lots of
people become get to be CEOs or get to be
managers or head coaches because they're hired by someone else.
But competition is the essence of American life. That's what
capitalism is. If you become the CEO of PEPSI does
it mean because you used to work at coke back
(34:57):
in the day, that you shouldn't try to have the
best soft drink if you think you are. I think
your argument is a good one. Loyalty to country matters
more to loyalty to individual. But I don't even look
at it that way. I just look at it as
the best man or woman should win.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But I'm not even sure there is such a thing
as loyalty to an individual who has endorsed you. I
don't think that's There was no promise of I'll never
run for president. Yeah, so it's not to say that
this is loyalty. Maybe respect would be an argument that
I can. You know, it's almost to respect your elder's argument,
or respect what Trump has done to this point that
(35:31):
I can. That to me resonates a little more than loyalty.
Like this isn't a mob family, there's no Omerta here.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I think that's a good point. I also think that
the essence of DeSantis's candidacy. I believe he believes that
Trump will lose to Biden if Trump is the nominee.
I think that's that's the essence of DeSantis's argument. He
made it a little bit with us. I think he
could be clearer about it. Look, DeSantis basically is saying,
if I'm the nominee, I'm gonna beat Joe Biden. I
(36:01):
think there are a lot of you out there listening
to us right now who like Trump and like DeSantis.
Both Buck and myself would certainly be in that camp.
But if you told me, hey, are you afraid that
if Trump's the nominee, He's going to lose to Joe Biden? Again,
yes i am. And my number one goal is Biden's
the worst president in my life.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
He has to be gone.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I want whoever the best person is to beat Biden
to be the Republican nominee.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
And it's interesting as well. You know, there are some
things we got to come up again, and I put
this out there for some of the folks who feel
very passionately already. I'm open minded about this both ways,
and we're not going to endorse either way. But you know,
Joe Biden wasn't even the nominee in twenty sixteen because
he was considered such a loser. Yeah, such a weak candidate.
(36:49):
After eight years as vice president, he is now the president.
We have to figure out why. We have to figure
out how that happened everybody, and be very honest about
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