June 1, 2023 • 36 mins
Biden spox shocked when reporter tells him most of America thinks Biden's corrupt. FBI director Wray caught withholding incriminating Biden docs from Congress. Will Special Counsel Jack Smith indict Trump? WaPo prints DOJ leak on supposed audio recording of Trump talking about having classified documents. Mueller lackey Andrew Weissmann: Trump will be indicted and convicted. Former Trump lawyer Ty Cobb: Biden DOJ prosecutors have foot on Trump's neck. C&B take calls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We roll through the biggest stories across the land. Bill
O'Reilly will join us in the next hour. We'll see
if he stays committed to his idea that Joe Biden
(00:22):
is not going to be the nominee for the Democrat Party.
He has made that argument, he continues to make that argument.
We talked about it earlier this week that we would
ask him to come on and get his logic, so
that should be a fun conversation. Also, we've got updates
potentially on the Trump Department of Justice investigation that we
(00:42):
will get into. Both Buck and myself believe that Trump
will get charged by Joe Biden's Department of Justice because
they want to have him in front of courts, not
only in New York City, not only Atlanta, where it
looks like charges are going to come down, most likely
sometime in early August. But I think there's a decent
chance in the next sixty days we will get the
(01:04):
Jack Smith Independent Counsel report, and that will lead to
I believe charges being filed against Trump. We will discuss
the latest as it pertains to that, but the person
who should be charged with crimes certainly Hunter Biden. And
they tried to sort of keep Joe Biden from being
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directly implicated in the massive million dollar, multimillion dollar pay
days that have surrounded the Biden crime family, and most
of the time in the media buck there isn't really
a discussion about just how corrupt Joe Biden is. But
there was finally. We don't get Biden himself in front
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of the press very often, so it's hard to have
questions asked of him. Unfortunately, they hide him in the
White House as they have for most of the last
two plus years. John Kirby, however, was asked about this
when a reporter claimed, what is true that the majority
of Americans believe Joe Biden is corrupt? This is factually accurate.
(02:10):
Now listen to cut six.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
There's one committee trying to get an FBI file alleging
that President Biden took bribes. There's another I RS was
a blower, misilligion, there's a cover up, an investigation. The
middle of this, there was a Harvard Airishole this month
that found that fifty three percent of the public, including
a fourth of Democrats, believe, quote, Joe Biden was involved
with his son in an illegal influence pedaling scheme. There's
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of course evidence that the president interacted with his relatives
associates from China, Mexico, Kazakhstan and Russia and Ukraine. So
what do you say to the majority of the Americans
who believe that the president is himself corrupt?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Wow, yes, President, the president.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
The President has spoken to this.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
The President has spoken to this and there's nothing to
these claims.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh, that's not true. And certainly the President really hasn't
addressed him in great detail. That's a fabulous question. Buck
Good was very We ripped media a lot. That was
a pretty well crafted and delivered question. It was very good.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And the President has spoken to it in the sense
that a few times he has made claims, meaning Joe
Biden has made claims that are demonstrably false. He claimed
in the twenty twenty election cycle to know nothing of
Hunter's business dealings. We know from the laptop and from
further information that's come to light that, Yeah, Joe Biden
(03:30):
was certainly aware that Hunter Biden was doing stuff. Maybe
he didn't know every detail, but I don't think Joe
Biden knows every detail of anything that's going on in
his own life, and hasn't for a while. I think
that one of the things you're seeing unfold right now
is this fight with the Oversight Committee, the House Oversight Committee,
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and Representative Comer with Christopher Ray over at the FBI.
This is where you have this FD ten twenty three document.
Now I wasn't on the FBI side, obviously, so I
don't know all the different h letterings in the way
that that they collid information over the FBI. But from
the descriptions, it's effectively a raw intelligence report. That's what
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we'd call it. Confidential human source raw intelligence report. It's
all the same same basic thing. Someone's telling you stuff
that you haven't verified, and it just is This even
happens in background check investigation. Someone will say something about
a neighbor they don't like to, you know, to the
federal investigator, and they'll write it down, but it doesn't
mean it's necessarily true. What's interesting is why don't the
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FBI senior Why doesn't the FBI senior brass want to
share this information, it seems with Comer and with the
Oversight Committee about somebody who says that Joe Biden was
in an illegal bribery scheme. If it's ridiculous, okay, what's
the problem. Then if it's dumb, it's dumb, well why
not tell everybody so they can see it. I think
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one of the challenges that they may have with this
clay is they started a Special Council investigation of I mean,
they started first an FBI investigation, then a Special Council
investigation because George Papadopoulos shared a rumor that he had
heard at a bar in London, right, and then all
of a sudden they spin it all the way up
to the top of the intelligence community. Meanwhile, Christopher Ray,
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the head of the FBI, has confirmed that there's a
document that says that someone came forward to the FBI
and says there's an illegal influence pedaling scheme, bribery scheme
with Joe Biden, and the FBI saying, oh, no, we
have to protect this confidential human source. It's not classified.
I should note it's not classified, So what's going on there?
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I think one of the things that it raises is
did they follow up, Clay, do they even want to
know if it's true over at the FBI, because I
think we all know the answer. We see what's going
on with Hunter Biden. How is it possible that you
get paid millions of dollars, you don't pay taxes on it,
you don't get prosecuted. You're a Hunter Biden. That's how
it's possible.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, and Buck, what I would also say, we talked
about this some yesterday. I think this all the Biden
crime family. Still, you have to go back to Biden
thinking his political careers over, and I think he got
reckless and when he thought his political career was over
and that there was no higher office he was going
to aspire to. When Barack Obama said, you're not the choice,
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it's Hillary old man, you're out. And again it's worth repeating,
Barack Obama never endorsed Joe Biden until he was actually
the nominee, which probably gives you a pretty good sense
what Barack Obama thought of Joe Biden after spending eight
years with him as the vice president. But Buck, I
think Biden looked around and said, well, my political career's over,
(06:45):
Let's make as much money now as we can even
if it's shady, and we don't have to worry about
it because I'm not ever going to run for office again.
Because he never anticipated, I don't think that the twenty
twenty campaign was going to fall in his lap, and
so he tried to make as much money as he
could and that's when things really the wheels came off.
That's when a lot of this data really starts to
(07:06):
blow up on him. Buck where he got messy and
it was just like, let's get rich. Everybody, bring in
as much money as possible.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It's actually not a bad calculation at the time from
Joe Biden's perspective. Politically, he had Hillary running. She was
the Democrat candidate, and you got to assume either Hillary
or whomever the Republican is is going to get eight years.
And he knew he was already too old to be
running in the first place. So yeah, he figured it
was cash out time. Didn't realize that fate would Well,
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we all know what happened in twenty twenty, but no one,
no one could have ever expected that. I mean, I've
said this to this day. I thought, this is why
I always say no one can predict the future. Nobody
really knows what's going to happen in any of these things.
That's why you just do the best you can with
the information you have when you have it. I thought
Joe Biden when he started running in twenty sixteen, I
was like, this is I'm sorry. Twenty twenty, I was like,
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this is a joke. No serio person is going to
vote for Joe Biden. Well maybe they're not serious people,
but some people voted for Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Unfortunately they did it. Remember in Iowa and New Hampshire.
I think Joe Biden came in fifth in both of
those states, which is probably the biggest comeback if you
go look at Iowa New Hampshire and what it means
in terms of propulsion typically in the in the primary
season to come in I believe he came in fifth
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in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire. And then he
went down to South Carolina and James Clyburn said, this
guy is going to be the nominee, and from there
it was over. He won South Carolina comfortably. He went
out to Nevada, I think, and did pretty well, and
then just I mean, there was no contest anymore. Everybody
dropped out. Everybody got in line. You know. Basically, James
(08:48):
Clyburn said, this is the guy who can beat Donald Trump,
and Bernie Sanders was gone. Mayor Pete was gone, Elizabeth
Warren was gone. Kamala didn't even make it. This is
why it's so funny when they constantly trot out, Oh,
the reason Kamala's approval ratings are low is because people
are racist and sexist, and she's the first minority woman
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vice president. And then you have to remind Democrats, wait
a minute, your own primary voters didn't even allow her
to get to the primary. She dropped out with one
percent support before voting started.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Look, part of the primary, Republican or Democrat, is we've
talked about it in the context of a campaign, a
candidate getting stronger, figuring out some of the messaging issues,
figuring out how the machinery around them has to be built.
And it's also convincing people to come along with them, right,
I mean, you know, that's why you have a primary.
(09:40):
And this is I think something that it's easy to forget,
especially in the early stages with someone like Joe Biden. Yeah,
it seemed absolutely, it seemed it was a completely rational
thing in my mind to believe that Joe Biden running
against Donald Trump was so preposterous that it defied belief.
And sure, I'm talking about when it was a Democrat primary,
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not even when he was the candidate, but just the
notion that Joe Biden could be taken seriously by anyone,
not by people listening to this, but by anyone I
And what I realized is I underestimated the will to
power of Democrats, and that the ruthlessness and the ability
to construct, to construct a narrative, to be opportunistic, to
create a lie of who Joe Biden is. Should have
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seen it coming in a sense, should have seen it coming.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And remember Buck, Democrats picked Joe Biden because they thought
he was the most likely to win an election, and
then they got an unbelievably good fortune in terms of
his candidacy. Because if Joe Biden had had to be
on the campaign trail like a normal candidate would for
the entire twenty twenty primary and then on into the
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twenty twenty general election, I don't think there's any way
he would have won, Buck, because I think people would
have seen the cognitive collapse that we see on a
regular basis now that they try to hide they wouldn't
Absent COVID, they would not have been able to hide
him in the basement and claim that it was for
his own health. That's what actually got him elected, was
coach Joe.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Biden in twenty twenty was the closest thing that you
could ever conjure to being generic Democrat, Like just a Democrat.
He had one hundred percent name recognition because of eight
years serving as Obama's VP. One hundred percent name recognition. Right,
everyone knew who he was. He's also been in politics
for longer than I've been alive, and everyone understood that.
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I think on the Democrat side in a COVID year
where everybody was really freaked out and the media was
obviously fomenting that or making it much worse than it
should have otherwise, been this fabrication of a grandfatherly figure.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Remember he ran.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I have to remind myself of this some things I
say out loud. I'm not even reminding all of our listeners.
I'm reminding myself he ran as a uniter. Yoh yeah, right,
and then you and then you fast forward to whatever
it is you know. Eighteen months later, and he's talking
about the unvaccinated or basically murdering people, and he was
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it was a vicious thing to say then also totally wrong.
But this is the uniter.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I mean, the whole thing was a bait and switch.
It's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I understand some people to start to say, how can
we make sense of anything when people can do such
senseless things.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
What about Buck the speech that he gave with the
red backdrop, with the marine standard Darth Vader speech. Yeah,
the Darth Vader speech where you know, he basically argued
and he's continued to argue it that the country's under
a greater threat today than it was during the Civil War.
I mean, this is crazy talk. It's also we're going
to get into some more of this.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You know, there's there's reporting out today that is from
the Washington Post, which we all know is it's the
last twenty four hours, I should say, which is it
broke last night. There's reporting out that talks about one
of the ways now that they're that they're going to
go after Trump. And and here's what I need to wonder.
We are going to defend Trump against this madness to
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the hilt, because, as I've said, as if you've said
this is I think it's ethically the right thing to
do to defend Trump against these charges. I think it's
an obvious witchhunt, and I think it's also politically the
right thing to do for a whole range of reasons.
But what are we gonna do if they actually This
is the part of this that I haven't yet heard
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or figured out, is what's the game plan here if
they're really you know, we list just does to the
people who think that, you know, Trump is going to
get indicted, what do they think happens after that? This
is the part of it that I'm I'm thinking about
this out loud. I don't know I speak to it.
And do people think that that's not going to happen
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at this point? They already did want in New York
as we know, No, you can say that's a joke.
When does that trial star March of next year?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Right? March twenty fourth, I believe our twenty fifth of
next year.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
We know as a fact that Trump is going to
have to show up in a court where he is
a criminal defendant in a felony case. Is it an abject,
you know, just joke and a violation of of the
most basic precepts of law. Yeah, of course, but what are.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
We gonna do?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I mean, this is the part of it that I
haven't heard yet, is how do we He's got to
show up or also be in contempt at court? So
how does he campaign when they're running? And that's one
of several criminal trials that they're gonna do. So, you know,
I think there needs to be some strategizing on this one,
or someone needs to figure out how do you have
a president in waiting who's under indictment, possibly multiple indictments.
(14:39):
I just mean, but just so's clear in terms of
the actual mechanics of letting him campaign to defeat Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Right, Yeah, it's how do you do? Is? I think
we'll talk about this because I think it's a big story.
I think they're going to bring charges against Trump today's
June first. I think that the Feds, not the New York,
not Atlanta. The federal government I think is going to
bring charges against Trump in junior July of this year.
Can I just throw this out there next month?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Any does anybody we have some of the most ardent
Trump supporters in the primary, We're all you know, I
voted for Trump. Clay voter for Trump. We've all been
Trump supporters for a long time, but I mean, right now,
of the most ardent Trump supporters, do they think the
assessment is wrong that Trump will be indicted again? I
(15:24):
want to I'm curious about this because I honestly, people
have been asking me this and I don't have a
good answer. They say, what happens, because I'm pretty sure
he's going to be indicted.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I just want to know what happens. I don't have
a where the timing becomes so key that we've talked about.
And this is where I need somebody who's an expert
on the DC circuit because that's where the charges would
be brought to let me know, how would the timing
actually play itself out. Let's talk about that, because I
think it's I think it's significant in light of the
report that came out. We've watched him post. We throw
it to lines eight hundred two way two two eight
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a two.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
If if you think this is all much you do
about nothing, and the special counsel is not gonna recommend indictment,
let us know.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
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Speaker 4 (17:33):
We have more to talk about with you today on
the way. We see some of the legal wrangling here
playing out around Donald Trump. The Get Trump effort of
the Democrats is gathering steam. That much is for sure.
Whenever you see a Washington Post story, that's that that
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is laying out some of this stuff. We'll get into
the details here in a second. We want to hear
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Flee Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth. Okay,
the big reveal last night in the ongoing quest to
get Donald Trump charged with crimes came from the Washington Post,
which is very much connected to the Department of Justice,
basically getting leaked info constantly, which is a violation of
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all of these investigative investigatory protocols that this would go
on and sometimes actually a crime itself. But the Washington
Post regularly getting info from inside a Department of Justice investigations,
and the latest version of We've Got Trump is there's
a report now the audio is not out there, and
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I believe in the report it also said that the
reporters hadn't heard the audio themselves, they had been told
that the audio existed. So this is hearsay about a
alleged piece of evidence that no one I believe I'm
correcting this book based on my reading. No one who
is reporting on this has ever actually heard the audio itself.
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They've just been told that the audio exists. Where Trump
talks about having classified documents, here is former Mueller prosecutor
Andrew Weissman who says, this is game over. Listen.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
If this reporting is true, and I'm trying not to
use hyperbole, this is game over. There is no way
that he will not be charged. It involves not just
possession of classified information, but dissemination of class side information.
The information is not just classified information, it's one of
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the most sensitive types of class side information, which is
war plans involving potential attack on Iran. So from every
single aspect of this, if this reporting is accurate and
there is this tape recording, there will be an indictment.
And it is hard to see how given all of
the evidence that we've been talking about that there will
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not be a conviction here, all.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Right, can I can I just like PLoP an enormous
grain of salt on this whole thing. I do remember,
and I'll get to why it's important that we hear
what they're thinking on their side of this anyway. But
I remember when in the mar al Lago documents, which
they laid out so nicely, kind of like when they
laid out the Nazi flag of the guy who ran
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and then it came out it's like, so, he's a
South Asian man, but he's a he's so he's a
he's a brown man, but he is a white supremacist,
was what we were being told that. But remember they
laid out the flag very neatly for the reporters. They
laid out the documents in mar A Lago, the classified
cover sheets and everything else, and they told us that
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it was nuclear plans and that was supposed to be. See,
this is the problem, right, It's not even it's not
even the boy who cried wolf at this point, it's
the boy who's been crying wolf for ah God, I
can't even to the six years, seven years whatever we're
in now. It's completely absurd. The walls are closing in.
They're finally getting him. So I think that the the
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war Plan's allegation here has to go in the context
of everything else they've said about what Trump has done
has been either a flat out lie or an exaggeration.
I do think, though, that what we have going on
here is the machinery is still grinding on. The apparatus
has chosen its target. It is using the legal system
to go after Trump. And I don't know, you know
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who's I know. I've been saying this so a long too.
I see some of the people around Trump that are
advising him right now, and they have no idea what
the hell they're talking about when it comes to something
like a federal prosecution.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
None. None.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And so I see it and I go, all right,
So is he bringing in somebody who has an understanding
of what he faces with this special Council? I hope so,
because I think they're going forward all the way. I
mean to your point of the query we keep raising
here about when will they do this? What the timing is.
My senses, they don't think they're going to beat Trump
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at the ballot box. My senses, they think they're going
to beat him with the legal system. And as crazy
as that may sound out Clay, they indicted I mean
they've already indicted him.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It beached him twice, and they have multiple criminal investigations
underway right now. For people out there who may not
know these details, let me read. This is from CNN.
CNN reported that this recording existed, and I'm now reading
from the New York Times. This is a paragraph. The
recording was made during a meeting mister Trump held in
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July twenty twenty one with people helping his former Chief
of Staff Mark Meadows write a memoir of his ten
months in the White House. According to people briefed on
the matter, the meeting was held at Trump's Bedminster, New
Jersey club, where he spends summers. It's where we did
an hour with Trump the live golf event last year.
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Meadows was not at the meeting. Two of Trump's aides did.
And uh, this is a tape taping where he says
he had a classified document. According to the report, and
on the recording, mister Trump began railing about his hand
packed Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milly,
and he then referenced the document he had with him,
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saying it had been compiled by General Milly and was
related to attacking Iran. The people briefed on the matter said,
among other comments, again this is according to The New
York Times, he mentioned his classification abilities. During the discussion.
Trump can be heard handling paper on the tape. Uh
and uh. And you know this is now they are
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denying that that this is going to be a big,
major part of the of the charges against him. But
I would be stunned. Would you be stunned if if
the departm of Justice comes back as part of their
Independent Council and says Trump has done nothing wrong, there's
nothing criminal here that we can charge him with. Was
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it fair? I would be stunned beyond belief if that happened, Buck,
Would you be stunned beyond belief if that was the
that was what the Independent Council report said.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, here's the difference for anybody who is thinking to themselves, well,
the last Special Counsel didn't work.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's because you had.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
A Republican president and a Republican appointed Attorney general, who,
as I mentioned at the time, was Bill Barr. Yeah,
that's why it didn't work. Jeff Sessions recused himself I
remember this. I talked to Jeff about this, but he
was still the attorney general, and then I walked over
and talked to Trump in the White House and he said,
I don't have an attorney general, which was I don't
think that went over farewell with Jeff. He did last
(25:48):
very long in the role after that. But the point being,
now there's no stop gap, and they know that.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
The other side is ruthless. They know that.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So I see this unfolding and you have here. You know,
I'm just trying to get ahead of this and figure
out what the game plan here is. It's not about
oh my gosh, you know is Trump did was? I
don't think Trump was showing some document it's so horrible
or whatever. I'm just saying, they're coming at him with everything.
They're coming at him with the kitchen sink, pile the
(26:20):
top of the kitchen sink. And here is the a
former Trump White House. Now, So whenever you say former Trump, somebody,
is this now somebody who completely opposed to Trump at
every capacity.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I haven't seen what this guy ty Cobb generally says,
and that he wasn't That is a baseball player.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That was a Hall of Fame baseball player. Your sports
knowledge continues to improve. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Former Trump White House lawyer Ty Cobb here saying, DOJ
prosecutors biden? DOJ prosecutors have got Trump in a tough
spot play twenty two?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It further enhances the obstruction case because it eviscerates the
two defense is that Trump has put forward, you know,
the first being that merely by taking documents he declassifies him,
or that he has the authority if he's playing with
the ducks and the hot tub, to declassify him.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
In his own mind.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Those are out the door now because he's admitted that
he understood there were restraints on what he could do
with documents. I don't see any eagerness on the part
of Jack Smith and his team to slow down. I
think they have their foot on his neck.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
So this is why, to me, Buck, the biggest question
out there is what's the timing on this? Not necessarily
the charges, because I think they're going to bring charges. Buck,
if I were guessing in junior July, that means this
month or next month. And if they do that, how
quickly could they have a trial Because the federal government
(27:57):
is going to try to put Donald Trump in jail.
And we know that the New York City case is
in March, so I would hope that the Trump legal
team would be able to forestall any sort of charges
in this case till after November's election next year. In
(28:18):
terms of the case going in front of a jury
and the case being prosecuted in a criminal context, I
don't know enough about the DC circuit and how rapidly
they can turn some of these cases. We know, just
using as a little bit of a precedent, Buck, the
January sixth defendants, It took about a year and a
half for your average January sixth defendant two or over
(28:42):
a year, year and three months something like that for
them to actually go to trial.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
The process was the punishment for them, though they were
held in those conditions specifically because I think it was
part of what now Julie Kelly, I had her on
the Klaimbuck podcast this week, you know, a deep dive.
Sheer first it as the DC gulag. Yeah, why even
let someone get to trial? Why not just let them
sit in solitary for eighteen months? Because you have some
(29:08):
lunatic federal judge who's saying that they'll start another insurrection,
you know, another fanny pack insurrection any moment now. So
in this case, I think you might have a different
approach from a judge who has an animus against Trump,
which you're going to get in DC probably when you
look at who's on the DC circuit, and it would
(29:28):
be no, let's be this thing up. Just deny all.
They're going to deny the motion for any kind of
a change of venue. I think they're going to deny
the motion for any kind of a delay. And so
I think they could come at in with this pretty fast.
Any if there's any like federal prosecutor or former DOJ
folks or someone out there, and you want to weigh
in on this one, by all means, we'd love to.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm also gonna breach it. We should reach out to
a team.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Let's get Andy McCarthy on to talk about because we
keep saying what's the timeline, Like he'll know what the timeline, He'll.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He'll know the timeline for New York. But I don't
know how much of an expert he is on how quickly.
I don't think there's very many people out there buck
who would be really he would be way better than us.
But I don't know how many people out there are
so plugged in that they can tell you what the
turnaround looks like on a DC circuit charge. And why
this is significant is because they may try to jump
(30:18):
in front of that trial that's taking place in March,
the New York City bogus charge trial. They might try
to bring the federal charges beforehand, which would mean they
might try to do it right in the middle of
the primary. And they might put try to put Donald
Trump in jail before November, which is balderdash. It's crazy.
(30:40):
And that's why I keep asking all these candidates, Buck,
will you give a pardon to Donald Trump on federal charges?
Because I think it's that significant. Maybe you could pardon
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Speaker 4 (32:01):
All right, we're here at Clay and Buck, rackt and
stack recalls from all of you across the country. Let's
take first one up. Vince sent in Sacramento. Vincent, what's
going on?
Speaker 7 (32:12):
I'm a history teacher, and I think the thing that
people are overlooking in this whole Trump prosecution deal is
that prosecuting ex leaders is the quickest way to destroy
a republic. It's happened over and over and over in history.
When leaders know that as soon as they relinquish power
they're going to be prosecuted criminally, they don't let it go,
(32:33):
and they'll do anything to keep it, including subverting all
the laws, rigging the elections, using the using military coups.
Why do you think Caesar crossed the rubicon? Not only
was he ambitious, but he knew that if he laid
down his command, he was toasted because they did it
to every other former leader in the republic.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
This brilliant. Thank you for being a history teacher. I
hope you aren't struggle. You'll be teaching a lot of
minds with real history here. I agree one hundred percent
with everything you said. It's rare you get a call
or buck you just like, hey, I echo. I mean,
that's very well said. This is like a precedented act.
You're like James carvill and old school. I got nothing
that was perfect. So there you go. Matt in Rockville, Maryland, Matt,
(33:15):
what's going on?
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Hey guys, I uh, I'm not sure what's one of
you had said that?
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
You know, I'm not sure if the video is sure
or not, but you know how it definitely exists because
if it doesn't, right now, AI will create it. They
can get this is.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Scary anything, this is scary look.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
And it will be admitted as evidence, and you can
get anyone to say anything. And the people creating this
are typically on the left, the big tech names that
are typically on the left. They're going to create it
and no one's going to look into it. People still
think Trump colluded with Russia. Even after the Moler reports
that it didn't, the Horror, the Horrorwitz reports that it didn't,
and the Durham reports that it didn't, people will still
(33:53):
believe it. So if they have fabricated evidence, it will
absolutely be used against them, and that video will be true,
and it can be true for anything that they want
Trump to quote say.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'll i'll now this is like two for two.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I think what Matt's saying is absolutely correct, which is
that we're entering an era here where, whether it's done
officially or unofficially, you will have deep fakes, and you
will have manipulation of media that is out there, and
it doesn't have to be from the Washington post doesn't
have to be from somebody who theoretically has a reputation
(34:25):
to protect. It can still change minds, and we saw
that with So you're effectively Matt, Thank you totally. I
totally agree with this premise. You're effectively seeing the Russia
collusion playbook now with really advanced technology for fabrication, which
is that is a That is a scary situation we're
(34:46):
going into, and propaganda is never has never been more
powerful in some ways than it is right now. David
and Duluth continuing to react to our conversation, and I
agree the AI thing.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You're going to be unable to know whether anything is
true five and they can just say, well, I don't know,
could maybe this is a I.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Now, when you try to confront somebody with reality, they'll say, well,
I think it's a I. And how do you get
around that? David, what do you got for us?
Speaker 8 (35:13):
Yeah, guys, I don't have any inside knowledge of the
DC circuit, but I know commi's and when they need to,
they can move with lightning speed. I think they're going
to let Trump get his nomination as the gop UH
front runner, and within four months he'll be indicted the
trial will be over, and what's what's the goop gonna
(35:35):
do come September when they walk him into prison? And well,
do we have a pinch hitter on deck waiting? I mean,
who's what's who's gonna step in? Then the most destructive
things that they can do would be that. And that's
what commies do, the most destructive and diabolical thing. And
I think that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Uh understands Tommy's for sure. By the way, these are
some of the questions we've been asking Buck that I
don't think very many people have even grappled with. If
they truly are going to put Trump on trial, they're
going to try to put him in prison. They might
try to put him in prison after he's already the
Republican nominee for president running in November, Which is why Buck,
(36:18):
a part of me, in the back of my mind,
I keep wondering, could Joe Biden actually pardon Donald Trump?
And I know people out there, a lot of you
are like that is crazy. I think that might be
the only thing Joe Biden could do to appeal to
independent voters, and I think it would actually strengthen him
(36:40):
in the campaign because he's basically saying, I'll beat Trump.
I don't need to have him in jail. I don't
think he'll do it, but I think he's gonna lock
him up. I think if he could lock him up play,
he's gonna lock him up. It would be interesting if
he didn't.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
But these libs are crazy, crazy,
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We roll through the biggest stories across the land. Bill
O'Reilly will join us in the next hour. We'll see
if he stays committed to his idea that Joe Biden
(00:22):
is not going to be the nominee for the Democrat Party.
He has made that argument, he continues to make that argument.
We talked about it earlier this week that we would
ask him to come on and get his logic, so
that should be a fun conversation. Also, we've got updates
potentially on the Trump Department of Justice investigation that we
(00:42):
will get into. Both Buck and myself believe that Trump
will get charged by Joe Biden's Department of Justice because
they want to have him in front of courts, not
only in New York City, not only Atlanta, where it
looks like charges are going to come down, most likely
sometime in early August. But I think there's a decent
chance in the next sixty days we will get the
(01:04):
Jack Smith Independent Counsel report, and that will lead to
I believe charges being filed against Trump. We will discuss
the latest as it pertains to that, but the person
who should be charged with crimes certainly Hunter Biden. And
they tried to sort of keep Joe Biden from being
(01:28):
directly implicated in the massive million dollar, multimillion dollar pay
days that have surrounded the Biden crime family, and most
of the time in the media buck there isn't really
a discussion about just how corrupt Joe Biden is. But
there was finally. We don't get Biden himself in front
(01:50):
of the press very often, so it's hard to have
questions asked of him. Unfortunately, they hide him in the
White House as they have for most of the last
two plus years. John Kirby, however, was asked about this
when a reporter claimed, what is true that the majority
of Americans believe Joe Biden is corrupt? This is factually accurate.
(02:10):
Now listen to cut six.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
There's one committee trying to get an FBI file alleging
that President Biden took bribes. There's another I RS was
a blower, misilligion, there's a cover up, an investigation. The
middle of this, there was a Harvard Airishole this month
that found that fifty three percent of the public, including
a fourth of Democrats, believe, quote, Joe Biden was involved
with his son in an illegal influence pedaling scheme. There's
(02:35):
of course evidence that the president interacted with his relatives
associates from China, Mexico, Kazakhstan and Russia and Ukraine. So
what do you say to the majority of the Americans
who believe that the president is himself corrupt?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Wow, yes, President, the president.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
The President has spoken to this.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
The President has spoken to this and there's nothing to
these claims.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh, that's not true. And certainly the President really hasn't
addressed him in great detail. That's a fabulous question. Buck
Good was very We ripped media a lot. That was
a pretty well crafted and delivered question. It was very good.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And the President has spoken to it in the sense
that a few times he has made claims, meaning Joe
Biden has made claims that are demonstrably false. He claimed
in the twenty twenty election cycle to know nothing of
Hunter's business dealings. We know from the laptop and from
further information that's come to light that, Yeah, Joe Biden
(03:30):
was certainly aware that Hunter Biden was doing stuff. Maybe
he didn't know every detail, but I don't think Joe
Biden knows every detail of anything that's going on in
his own life, and hasn't for a while. I think
that one of the things you're seeing unfold right now
is this fight with the Oversight Committee, the House Oversight Committee,
(03:50):
and Representative Comer with Christopher Ray over at the FBI.
This is where you have this FD ten twenty three document.
Now I wasn't on the FBI side, obviously, so I
don't know all the different h letterings in the way
that that they collid information over the FBI. But from
the descriptions, it's effectively a raw intelligence report. That's what
(04:13):
we'd call it. Confidential human source raw intelligence report. It's
all the same same basic thing. Someone's telling you stuff
that you haven't verified, and it just is This even
happens in background check investigation. Someone will say something about
a neighbor they don't like to, you know, to the
federal investigator, and they'll write it down, but it doesn't
mean it's necessarily true. What's interesting is why don't the
(04:34):
FBI senior Why doesn't the FBI senior brass want to
share this information, it seems with Comer and with the
Oversight Committee about somebody who says that Joe Biden was
in an illegal bribery scheme. If it's ridiculous, okay, what's
the problem. Then if it's dumb, it's dumb, well why
not tell everybody so they can see it. I think
(04:56):
one of the challenges that they may have with this
clay is they started a Special Council investigation of I mean,
they started first an FBI investigation, then a Special Council
investigation because George Papadopoulos shared a rumor that he had
heard at a bar in London, right, and then all
of a sudden they spin it all the way up
to the top of the intelligence community. Meanwhile, Christopher Ray,
(05:19):
the head of the FBI, has confirmed that there's a
document that says that someone came forward to the FBI
and says there's an illegal influence pedaling scheme, bribery scheme
with Joe Biden, and the FBI saying, oh, no, we
have to protect this confidential human source. It's not classified.
I should note it's not classified, So what's going on there?
(05:41):
I think one of the things that it raises is
did they follow up, Clay, do they even want to
know if it's true over at the FBI, because I
think we all know the answer. We see what's going
on with Hunter Biden. How is it possible that you
get paid millions of dollars, you don't pay taxes on it,
you don't get prosecuted. You're a Hunter Biden. That's how
it's possible.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, and Buck, what I would also say, we talked
about this some yesterday. I think this all the Biden
crime family. Still, you have to go back to Biden
thinking his political careers over, and I think he got
reckless and when he thought his political career was over
and that there was no higher office he was going
to aspire to. When Barack Obama said, you're not the choice,
(06:22):
it's Hillary old man, you're out. And again it's worth repeating,
Barack Obama never endorsed Joe Biden until he was actually
the nominee, which probably gives you a pretty good sense
what Barack Obama thought of Joe Biden after spending eight
years with him as the vice president. But Buck, I
think Biden looked around and said, well, my political career's over,
(06:45):
Let's make as much money now as we can even
if it's shady, and we don't have to worry about
it because I'm not ever going to run for office again.
Because he never anticipated, I don't think that the twenty
twenty campaign was going to fall in his lap, and
so he tried to make as much money as he
could and that's when things really the wheels came off.
That's when a lot of this data really starts to
(07:06):
blow up on him. Buck where he got messy and
it was just like, let's get rich. Everybody, bring in
as much money as possible.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It's actually not a bad calculation at the time from
Joe Biden's perspective. Politically, he had Hillary running. She was
the Democrat candidate, and you got to assume either Hillary
or whomever the Republican is is going to get eight years.
And he knew he was already too old to be
running in the first place. So yeah, he figured it
was cash out time. Didn't realize that fate would Well,
(07:36):
we all know what happened in twenty twenty, but no one,
no one could have ever expected that. I mean, I've
said this to this day. I thought, this is why
I always say no one can predict the future. Nobody
really knows what's going to happen in any of these things.
That's why you just do the best you can with
the information you have when you have it. I thought
Joe Biden when he started running in twenty sixteen, I
was like, this is I'm sorry. Twenty twenty, I was like,
(07:58):
this is a joke. No serio person is going to
vote for Joe Biden. Well maybe they're not serious people,
but some people voted for Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Unfortunately they did it. Remember in Iowa and New Hampshire.
I think Joe Biden came in fifth in both of
those states, which is probably the biggest comeback if you
go look at Iowa New Hampshire and what it means
in terms of propulsion typically in the in the primary
season to come in I believe he came in fifth
(08:26):
in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire. And then he
went down to South Carolina and James Clyburn said, this
guy is going to be the nominee, and from there
it was over. He won South Carolina comfortably. He went
out to Nevada, I think, and did pretty well, and
then just I mean, there was no contest anymore. Everybody
dropped out. Everybody got in line. You know. Basically, James
(08:48):
Clyburn said, this is the guy who can beat Donald Trump,
and Bernie Sanders was gone. Mayor Pete was gone, Elizabeth
Warren was gone. Kamala didn't even make it. This is
why it's so funny when they constantly trot out, Oh,
the reason Kamala's approval ratings are low is because people
are racist and sexist, and she's the first minority woman
(09:08):
vice president. And then you have to remind Democrats, wait
a minute, your own primary voters didn't even allow her
to get to the primary. She dropped out with one
percent support before voting started.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Look, part of the primary, Republican or Democrat, is we've
talked about it in the context of a campaign, a
candidate getting stronger, figuring out some of the messaging issues,
figuring out how the machinery around them has to be built.
And it's also convincing people to come along with them, right,
I mean, you know, that's why you have a primary.
(09:40):
And this is I think something that it's easy to forget,
especially in the early stages with someone like Joe Biden. Yeah,
it seemed absolutely, it seemed it was a completely rational
thing in my mind to believe that Joe Biden running
against Donald Trump was so preposterous that it defied belief.
And sure, I'm talking about when it was a Democrat primary,
(10:03):
not even when he was the candidate, but just the
notion that Joe Biden could be taken seriously by anyone,
not by people listening to this, but by anyone I
And what I realized is I underestimated the will to
power of Democrats, and that the ruthlessness and the ability
to construct, to construct a narrative, to be opportunistic, to
create a lie of who Joe Biden is. Should have
(10:25):
seen it coming in a sense, should have seen it coming.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And remember Buck, Democrats picked Joe Biden because they thought
he was the most likely to win an election, and
then they got an unbelievably good fortune in terms of
his candidacy. Because if Joe Biden had had to be
on the campaign trail like a normal candidate would for
the entire twenty twenty primary and then on into the
(10:51):
twenty twenty general election, I don't think there's any way
he would have won, Buck, because I think people would
have seen the cognitive collapse that we see on a
regular basis now that they try to hide they wouldn't
Absent COVID, they would not have been able to hide
him in the basement and claim that it was for
his own health. That's what actually got him elected, was
coach Joe.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Biden in twenty twenty was the closest thing that you
could ever conjure to being generic Democrat, Like just a Democrat.
He had one hundred percent name recognition because of eight
years serving as Obama's VP. One hundred percent name recognition. Right,
everyone knew who he was. He's also been in politics
for longer than I've been alive, and everyone understood that.
(11:33):
I think on the Democrat side in a COVID year
where everybody was really freaked out and the media was
obviously fomenting that or making it much worse than it
should have otherwise, been this fabrication of a grandfatherly figure.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Remember he ran.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I have to remind myself of this some things I
say out loud. I'm not even reminding all of our listeners.
I'm reminding myself he ran as a uniter. Yoh yeah, right,
and then you and then you fast forward to whatever
it is you know. Eighteen months later, and he's talking
about the unvaccinated or basically murdering people, and he was
(12:12):
it was a vicious thing to say then also totally wrong.
But this is the uniter.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I mean, the whole thing was a bait and switch.
It's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I understand some people to start to say, how can
we make sense of anything when people can do such
senseless things.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
What about Buck the speech that he gave with the
red backdrop, with the marine standard Darth Vader speech. Yeah,
the Darth Vader speech where you know, he basically argued
and he's continued to argue it that the country's under
a greater threat today than it was during the Civil War.
I mean, this is crazy talk. It's also we're going
to get into some more of this.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You know, there's there's reporting out today that is from
the Washington Post, which we all know is it's the
last twenty four hours, I should say, which is it
broke last night. There's reporting out that talks about one
of the ways now that they're that they're going to
go after Trump. And and here's what I need to wonder.
We are going to defend Trump against this madness to
(13:10):
the hilt, because, as I've said, as if you've said
this is I think it's ethically the right thing to
do to defend Trump against these charges. I think it's
an obvious witchhunt, and I think it's also politically the
right thing to do for a whole range of reasons.
But what are we gonna do if they actually This
is the part of this that I haven't yet heard
(13:31):
or figured out, is what's the game plan here if
they're really you know, we list just does to the
people who think that, you know, Trump is going to
get indicted, what do they think happens after that? This
is the part of it that I'm I'm thinking about
this out loud. I don't know I speak to it.
And do people think that that's not going to happen
(13:52):
at this point? They already did want in New York
as we know, No, you can say that's a joke.
When does that trial star March of next year?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Right? March twenty fourth, I believe our twenty fifth of
next year.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
We know as a fact that Trump is going to
have to show up in a court where he is
a criminal defendant in a felony case. Is it an abject,
you know, just joke and a violation of of the
most basic precepts of law. Yeah, of course, but what are.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
We gonna do?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I mean, this is the part of it that I
haven't heard yet, is how do we He's got to
show up or also be in contempt at court? So
how does he campaign when they're running? And that's one
of several criminal trials that they're gonna do. So, you know,
I think there needs to be some strategizing on this one,
or someone needs to figure out how do you have
a president in waiting who's under indictment, possibly multiple indictments.
(14:39):
I just mean, but just so's clear in terms of
the actual mechanics of letting him campaign to defeat Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Right, Yeah, it's how do you do? Is? I think
we'll talk about this because I think it's a big story.
I think they're going to bring charges against Trump today's
June first. I think that the Feds, not the New York,
not Atlanta. The federal government I think is going to
bring charges against Trump in junior July of this year.
Can I just throw this out there next month?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Any does anybody we have some of the most ardent
Trump supporters in the primary, We're all you know, I
voted for Trump. Clay voter for Trump. We've all been
Trump supporters for a long time, but I mean, right now,
of the most ardent Trump supporters, do they think the
assessment is wrong that Trump will be indicted again? I
(15:24):
want to I'm curious about this because I honestly, people
have been asking me this and I don't have a
good answer. They say, what happens, because I'm pretty sure
he's going to be indicted.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I just want to know what happens. I don't have
a where the timing becomes so key that we've talked about.
And this is where I need somebody who's an expert
on the DC circuit because that's where the charges would
be brought to let me know, how would the timing
actually play itself out. Let's talk about that, because I
think it's I think it's significant in light of the
report that came out. We've watched him post. We throw
it to lines eight hundred two way two two eight
(15:53):
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Speaker 4 (15:53):
If if you think this is all much you do
about nothing, and the special counsel is not gonna recommend indictment,
let us know.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Flee Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth. Okay,
the big reveal last night in the ongoing quest to
get Donald Trump charged with crimes came from the Washington Post,
which is very much connected to the Department of Justice,
basically getting leaked info constantly, which is a violation of
(19:17):
all of these investigative investigatory protocols that this would go
on and sometimes actually a crime itself. But the Washington
Post regularly getting info from inside a Department of Justice investigations,
and the latest version of We've Got Trump is there's
a report now the audio is not out there, and
(19:37):
I believe in the report it also said that the
reporters hadn't heard the audio themselves, they had been told
that the audio existed. So this is hearsay about a
alleged piece of evidence that no one I believe I'm
correcting this book based on my reading. No one who
is reporting on this has ever actually heard the audio itself.
(20:02):
They've just been told that the audio exists. Where Trump
talks about having classified documents, here is former Mueller prosecutor
Andrew Weissman who says, this is game over. Listen.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
If this reporting is true, and I'm trying not to
use hyperbole, this is game over. There is no way
that he will not be charged. It involves not just
possession of classified information, but dissemination of class side information.
The information is not just classified information, it's one of
(20:38):
the most sensitive types of class side information, which is
war plans involving potential attack on Iran. So from every
single aspect of this, if this reporting is accurate and
there is this tape recording, there will be an indictment.
And it is hard to see how given all of
the evidence that we've been talking about that there will
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not be a conviction here, all.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Right, can I can I just like PLoP an enormous
grain of salt on this whole thing. I do remember,
and I'll get to why it's important that we hear
what they're thinking on their side of this anyway. But
I remember when in the mar al Lago documents, which
they laid out so nicely, kind of like when they
laid out the Nazi flag of the guy who ran
(21:26):
and then it came out it's like, so, he's a
South Asian man, but he's a he's so he's a
he's a brown man, but he is a white supremacist,
was what we were being told that. But remember they
laid out the flag very neatly for the reporters. They
laid out the documents in mar A Lago, the classified
cover sheets and everything else, and they told us that
(21:47):
it was nuclear plans and that was supposed to be. See,
this is the problem, right, It's not even it's not
even the boy who cried wolf at this point, it's
the boy who's been crying wolf for ah God, I
can't even to the six years, seven years whatever we're
in now. It's completely absurd. The walls are closing in.
They're finally getting him. So I think that the the
(22:09):
war Plan's allegation here has to go in the context
of everything else they've said about what Trump has done
has been either a flat out lie or an exaggeration.
I do think, though, that what we have going on
here is the machinery is still grinding on. The apparatus
has chosen its target. It is using the legal system
to go after Trump. And I don't know, you know
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who's I know. I've been saying this so a long too.
I see some of the people around Trump that are
advising him right now, and they have no idea what
the hell they're talking about when it comes to something
like a federal prosecution.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
None. None.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And so I see it and I go, all right,
So is he bringing in somebody who has an understanding
of what he faces with this special Council? I hope so,
because I think they're going forward all the way. I
mean to your point of the query we keep raising
here about when will they do this? What the timing is.
My senses, they don't think they're going to beat Trump
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at the ballot box. My senses, they think they're going
to beat him with the legal system. And as crazy
as that may sound out Clay, they indicted I mean
they've already indicted him.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It beached him twice, and they have multiple criminal investigations
underway right now. For people out there who may not
know these details, let me read. This is from CNN.
CNN reported that this recording existed, and I'm now reading
from the New York Times. This is a paragraph. The
recording was made during a meeting mister Trump held in
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July twenty twenty one with people helping his former Chief
of Staff Mark Meadows write a memoir of his ten
months in the White House. According to people briefed on
the matter, the meeting was held at Trump's Bedminster, New
Jersey club, where he spends summers. It's where we did
an hour with Trump the live golf event last year.
(24:03):
Meadows was not at the meeting. Two of Trump's aides did.
And uh, this is a tape taping where he says
he had a classified document. According to the report, and
on the recording, mister Trump began railing about his hand
packed Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milly,
and he then referenced the document he had with him,
(24:26):
saying it had been compiled by General Milly and was
related to attacking Iran. The people briefed on the matter said,
among other comments, again this is according to The New
York Times, he mentioned his classification abilities. During the discussion.
Trump can be heard handling paper on the tape. Uh
and uh. And you know this is now they are
(24:47):
denying that that this is going to be a big,
major part of the of the charges against him. But
I would be stunned. Would you be stunned if if
the departm of Justice comes back as part of their
Independent Council and says Trump has done nothing wrong, there's
nothing criminal here that we can charge him with. Was
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it fair? I would be stunned beyond belief if that happened, Buck,
Would you be stunned beyond belief if that was the
that was what the Independent Council report said.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, here's the difference for anybody who is thinking to themselves, well,
the last Special Counsel didn't work.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's because you had.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
A Republican president and a Republican appointed Attorney general, who,
as I mentioned at the time, was Bill Barr. Yeah,
that's why it didn't work. Jeff Sessions recused himself I
remember this. I talked to Jeff about this, but he
was still the attorney general, and then I walked over
and talked to Trump in the White House and he said,
I don't have an attorney general, which was I don't
think that went over farewell with Jeff. He did last
(25:48):
very long in the role after that. But the point being,
now there's no stop gap, and they know that.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
The other side is ruthless. They know that.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So I see this unfolding and you have here. You know,
I'm just trying to get ahead of this and figure
out what the game plan here is. It's not about
oh my gosh, you know is Trump did was? I
don't think Trump was showing some document it's so horrible
or whatever. I'm just saying, they're coming at him with everything.
They're coming at him with the kitchen sink, pile the
(26:20):
top of the kitchen sink. And here is the a
former Trump White House. Now, So whenever you say former Trump, somebody,
is this now somebody who completely opposed to Trump at
every capacity.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I haven't seen what this guy ty Cobb generally says,
and that he wasn't That is a baseball player.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That was a Hall of Fame baseball player. Your sports
knowledge continues to improve. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Former Trump White House lawyer Ty Cobb here saying, DOJ
prosecutors biden? DOJ prosecutors have got Trump in a tough
spot play twenty two?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It further enhances the obstruction case because it eviscerates the
two defense is that Trump has put forward, you know,
the first being that merely by taking documents he declassifies him,
or that he has the authority if he's playing with
the ducks and the hot tub, to declassify him.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
In his own mind.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Those are out the door now because he's admitted that
he understood there were restraints on what he could do
with documents. I don't see any eagerness on the part
of Jack Smith and his team to slow down. I
think they have their foot on his neck.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
So this is why, to me, Buck, the biggest question
out there is what's the timing on this? Not necessarily
the charges, because I think they're going to bring charges. Buck,
if I were guessing in junior July, that means this
month or next month. And if they do that, how
quickly could they have a trial Because the federal government
(27:57):
is going to try to put Donald Trump in jail.
And we know that the New York City case is
in March, so I would hope that the Trump legal
team would be able to forestall any sort of charges
in this case till after November's election next year. In
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terms of the case going in front of a jury
and the case being prosecuted in a criminal context, I
don't know enough about the DC circuit and how rapidly
they can turn some of these cases. We know, just
using as a little bit of a precedent, Buck, the
January sixth defendants, It took about a year and a
half for your average January sixth defendant two or over
(28:42):
a year, year and three months something like that for
them to actually go to trial.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
The process was the punishment for them, though they were
held in those conditions specifically because I think it was
part of what now Julie Kelly, I had her on
the Klaimbuck podcast this week, you know, a deep dive.
Sheer first it as the DC gulag. Yeah, why even
let someone get to trial? Why not just let them
sit in solitary for eighteen months? Because you have some
(29:08):
lunatic federal judge who's saying that they'll start another insurrection,
you know, another fanny pack insurrection any moment now. So
in this case, I think you might have a different
approach from a judge who has an animus against Trump,
which you're going to get in DC probably when you
look at who's on the DC circuit, and it would
(29:28):
be no, let's be this thing up. Just deny all.
They're going to deny the motion for any kind of
a change of venue. I think they're going to deny
the motion for any kind of a delay. And so
I think they could come at in with this pretty fast.
Any if there's any like federal prosecutor or former DOJ
folks or someone out there, and you want to weigh
in on this one, by all means, we'd love to.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm also gonna breach it. We should reach out to
a team.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Let's get Andy McCarthy on to talk about because we
keep saying what's the timeline, Like he'll know what the timeline, He'll.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He'll know the timeline for New York. But I don't
know how much of an expert he is on how quickly.
I don't think there's very many people out there buck
who would be really he would be way better than us.
But I don't know how many people out there are
so plugged in that they can tell you what the
turnaround looks like on a DC circuit charge. And why
this is significant is because they may try to jump
(30:18):
in front of that trial that's taking place in March,
the New York City bogus charge trial. They might try
to bring the federal charges beforehand, which would mean they
might try to do it right in the middle of
the primary. And they might put try to put Donald
Trump in jail before November, which is balderdash. It's crazy.
(30:40):
And that's why I keep asking all these candidates, Buck,
will you give a pardon to Donald Trump on federal charges?
Because I think it's that significant. Maybe you could pardon
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Speaker 4 (32:01):
All right, we're here at Clay and Buck, rackt and
stack recalls from all of you across the country. Let's
take first one up. Vince sent in Sacramento. Vincent, what's
going on?
Speaker 7 (32:12):
I'm a history teacher, and I think the thing that
people are overlooking in this whole Trump prosecution deal is
that prosecuting ex leaders is the quickest way to destroy
a republic. It's happened over and over and over in history.
When leaders know that as soon as they relinquish power
they're going to be prosecuted criminally, they don't let it go,
(32:33):
and they'll do anything to keep it, including subverting all
the laws, rigging the elections, using the using military coups.
Why do you think Caesar crossed the rubicon? Not only
was he ambitious, but he knew that if he laid
down his command, he was toasted because they did it
to every other former leader in the republic.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
This brilliant. Thank you for being a history teacher. I
hope you aren't struggle. You'll be teaching a lot of
minds with real history here. I agree one hundred percent
with everything you said. It's rare you get a call
or buck you just like, hey, I echo. I mean,
that's very well said. This is like a precedented act.
You're like James carvill and old school. I got nothing
that was perfect. So there you go. Matt in Rockville, Maryland, Matt,
(33:15):
what's going on?
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Hey guys, I uh, I'm not sure what's one of
you had said that?
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
You know, I'm not sure if the video is sure
or not, but you know how it definitely exists because
if it doesn't, right now, AI will create it. They
can get this is.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Scary anything, this is scary look.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
And it will be admitted as evidence, and you can
get anyone to say anything. And the people creating this
are typically on the left, the big tech names that
are typically on the left. They're going to create it
and no one's going to look into it. People still
think Trump colluded with Russia. Even after the Moler reports
that it didn't, the Horror, the Horrorwitz reports that it didn't,
and the Durham reports that it didn't, people will still
(33:53):
believe it. So if they have fabricated evidence, it will
absolutely be used against them, and that video will be true,
and it can be true for anything that they want
Trump to quote say.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'll i'll now this is like two for two.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I think what Matt's saying is absolutely correct, which is
that we're entering an era here where, whether it's done
officially or unofficially, you will have deep fakes, and you
will have manipulation of media that is out there, and
it doesn't have to be from the Washington post doesn't
have to be from somebody who theoretically has a reputation
(34:25):
to protect. It can still change minds, and we saw
that with So you're effectively Matt, Thank you totally. I
totally agree with this premise. You're effectively seeing the Russia
collusion playbook now with really advanced technology for fabrication, which
is that is a That is a scary situation we're
(34:46):
going into, and propaganda is never has never been more
powerful in some ways than it is right now. David
and Duluth continuing to react to our conversation, and I
agree the AI thing.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You're going to be unable to know whether anything is
true five and they can just say, well, I don't know,
could maybe this is a I.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Now, when you try to confront somebody with reality, they'll say, well,
I think it's a I. And how do you get
around that? David, what do you got for us?
Speaker 8 (35:13):
Yeah, guys, I don't have any inside knowledge of the
DC circuit, but I know commi's and when they need to,
they can move with lightning speed. I think they're going
to let Trump get his nomination as the gop UH
front runner, and within four months he'll be indicted the
trial will be over, and what's what's the goop gonna
(35:35):
do come September when they walk him into prison? And well,
do we have a pinch hitter on deck waiting? I mean,
who's what's who's gonna step in? Then the most destructive
things that they can do would be that. And that's
what commies do, the most destructive and diabolical thing. And
I think that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Uh understands Tommy's for sure. By the way, these are
some of the questions we've been asking Buck that I
don't think very many people have even grappled with. If
they truly are going to put Trump on trial, they're
going to try to put him in prison. They might
try to put him in prison after he's already the
Republican nominee for president running in November, Which is why Buck,
(36:18):
a part of me, in the back of my mind,
I keep wondering, could Joe Biden actually pardon Donald Trump?
And I know people out there, a lot of you
are like that is crazy. I think that might be
the only thing Joe Biden could do to appeal to
independent voters, and I think it would actually strengthen him
(36:40):
in the campaign because he's basically saying, I'll beat Trump.
I don't need to have him in jail. I don't
think he'll do it, but I think he's gonna lock
him up. I think if he could lock him up play,
he's gonna lock him up. It would be interesting if
he didn't.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
But these libs are crazy, crazy,
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