September 15, 2023 • 36 mins
AOC, Nadler and other Dems heckled in front of Manhattan migrant hotel. NYC black woman at anti-migrant protest sounds like Trump. Dems begin to realize they're wrong on immigration. Former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy joins Clay and Buck with his take on the Hunter Biden indictment. C&B take calls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Second hour of Clay in Buck kicks off. Let's talk
migrant crisis NYC.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
A little bit of update for you on this one.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
There was a meeting with Alexandria Okazio or Okazio, Cortes,
Jerry Nadler, a bunch of prominent Democrats outside of a
hotel in Manhattan that is now a relief center for
asylum seekers. And there were some folks who were present
(00:38):
who were not happy with the fact that New York
City is now America's largest refugee camp. And that is
a from a definition perspective and accurate statement they are
taking in asylum seekers or refugees. Also the numbers on this, Clay,
I thought this was interesting. There was a city councilwoman,
I think it was a city council woman. Vernikov memory
(01:00):
serves that I saw share the asylum numbers for what
percentage recently eighty ninety percent of the people coming from
Central America other parts of Latin America, for example, don't
get asylum when they're actually up for because they're not
asylum seekers.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
This is the whole point here is the system is
being scammed. Asylum is I can't be in my country
because I'm in physical danger or I'm being oppressed because
of my religion or something that is different than I
want to be in a country with a better economy,
in a massive welfare state. Here I am. That's called immigration.
That's not asylum seeking or refugee status. But they claim
(01:37):
to be refugees because they're scamming the whole system. Everybody
has to remember that. So they're running massive refugee camps
now in New York City. I've been to other refugee
camps elsewhere in the world, so I know something about
refugee camps. And here is what it sounded like outside
the hotel as these democrats are in there to make
this even more comfortable, more funding and better for the
(02:01):
illegal aliens who have gathered in New York City, play it.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
The American dream.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Will not be bullied.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Into submission today.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
We will continue to fight for the American dream.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
We will not be bully will We're not be pushing
to a corner. We will fight for these common sense solutions.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Can I just be clear?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Apparently that was Representative Adriano espayat Did I get that right?
If I nailed that, when I'm proud of myself. First
time I've seen that name Democrat of New York who
is saying, Clay, the American dream now is you get
to enter illegally, you get to lie about the need
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for you to stay, You get taxpayers to pay for
your food, housing, clothing, and all healthcare everything else, and
then you're supposed to be able to get work permits.
That's the American dream now, according to Democrats who are
speaking at this migrant center in Manhattan.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
And what's important about this, Buck, is those are Democrat
voters screaming at by and large Democrat congressmen and women.
So Democrats. Now, there's a pretty consistent position on the
Republican side, right. It is, let's have border security. Let's
not have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming across
(03:24):
the border every couple of days. I saw Bill Malujin
just put out a tweet in the last twenty minutes, Buck,
the Biden administration. Things are so crowded now on the
border that the Biden administration is putting migrants on buses
and now dropping them off in San Diego.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Did you see that?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I mean, maybe we can grab that audio, but they're
telling those illegal immigrants you're free to go, like you're
just go out and do whatever you want. I mean,
this is crazy. But Democrats don't have an answer for this.
They because they're finally fighting internally over this.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But they should based on what the Democrat party position
has been. This will be a shock. If you go back,
you could find editorials by the editorial board of the
New York Times as recently as let's say ninety eight,
maybe ninety nine. I mean, I'd go back. As you know,
I grew up in a New York Times, subscribing household clay,
(04:23):
so I used to read it all the time. Then
we switched to the Wall Street Journal years later. The
Times used to be a better paper in the nineties,
even if it was liberal. Now it's obviously just communist nonsense.
But they would back in the nineties write editorials about
illegal immigration and talk about how it was unfair to
other migrants, how it suppressed wages for the working class,
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how it particularly created unfair competition for racial minorities already
in America, how it created They would actually make these
arguments from a Democrat perspective that it was suppressing wag
and that it was an unfair drain on the welfare state.
Now with for the last twenty years or so, it
(05:06):
has switched to illegal immigrant. This is a nation of
illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are better than Americans in terms
of their work ethic, better than Americans in terms of
their law abiding nature. It's all propaganda. And what they're
finally forced to deal with is okay, So illegal migrants,
all they do is make everybody wealthier, better off. Say
(05:27):
for everything, that's great. New York should be saying, send
another one hundred thousand, Yeah, send another one hundred thousand.
We want more instead. The Mayor of New York City,
and now he's trying to walk it back, is saying
they are quote going to destroy this city, destroy it,
ruin it. Why are they ruining it? Everybody? The Democrat
Party told us for twenty years that illegal immigrants are
(05:49):
amazing and just make the country better in every respect. Clay,
there was no downside you were allowed to speak of
without being shouted down for being xenophobic em racist. And
that's what they tried to say about the idea of
the wall. And what I think you're seeing is the
number one issue that Biden is underwater on is the border,
(06:09):
and he's underwater on it because everybody agrees that it's
a disaster. And I thought you succinctly summed it up,
you know, last year when you said Joe Biden cares
way more about the sanctity of Ukraine's border than he
does the United States border. And I think that is
a pitch that works very well when you go out
and make an argument about what is going on there,
(06:32):
but when you're seeing now record because remember Title forty
two was ended, and it sound it felt like and
you see, if you agree with me on this buck
that there was almost a pause because people weren't sure
what the new policy was going to be south of
the border, and so there was a huge influx before
(06:53):
Title forty two expired. Then Title forty two expires and
things slow down a little bit because there was uncertainty
as to what the policies were going to be like.
And now it's basically a huge, wide open southern border
and everybody is rushing back.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
The flood is the border again, that is all correct.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
The flood is full on, back on, and you have
to remember the migrants that there are networks. They're speaking
to each other and word gets out through the smuggling
networks when is a good time to go? And so
if there was a pause at the border at the
end of Title forty two, it would have only just
(07:32):
been a you could call it a strategic pause to
see can we still get in easily? Are they still
doing the same stuff?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Title forty two wasn't blocking a lot of people who
are coming in illegally anyway. It just gave one tool
that could be used and was used, particularly earlier on
in the pandemic, more forcefully, to repatriate immediately people who
weren't in the country legally. But you know, you start
to realize the erosion of the rule of law that
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this represents is not a minor thing, because if the
government can just decide that a person can be in
the country illegally and just because it is no longer illegal,
they don't pass a statue to this regard. They don't
they don't actually clarify this as a function of law.
They just choose that immigration law doesn't matter anymore. Clay,
why should tax law matter?
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Why is hunter facing charges on possession of a gun?
I mean, what laws should we really enforce? Like, what
does it mean when our immigration system they keep saying
it is broken. That is a lie. The left, the
activists and the Kamis have broken it because what they've
done is morally blackmail the country effectively into refusing to
(08:42):
enforce immigration law. And by the way, a lot of
Republicans go along with this too. A lot of Chamber
of Commerce donor class Republican politicians and you know, all
throughout the spectrum are like, we need the cheap I
got into a huge fight with some very famous Republicans
at the table that I cannot name those off the record.
Clay not long ago. It was actually on a on
(09:04):
a this is how I spend my This is before Carrie.
I was spending what's the fancy the Heart Holiday?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
What is it called? Same?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Not Valentine the Heart Valentine's Day, said.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
By like such a long term bachelor. There was a
stupid Heart holiday whatever it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Is, the stupid cubd and the bows and the arrows. Yeah,
I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I can't tell you over the years how many dates
I was like, didn't go.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I was like the Heart Holiday.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I was like, is there like a is there a
pediatric association hall, like, yeah, the Heart Holiday, Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
But I was at I was at a.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Dinner and and and one, and there were a couple
of people and it was off the records, I can't say,
but there's some very well known right wingers who were there.
And there was a donor class person, let's just say,
a very wealthy donor class person. And all this person
kept saying was we need more illegals because I need
to hire them for the businesses, big, big businesses. And
I kept saying, what about America? And you know what
(10:01):
the response kept being, They're too expensive. Yeah, well, folks,
guess what, there's a reason that they can get paid less.
And there are reasons that involve also all the social
services that are going to go to support the illegals,
as in what you see in New York City society.
It's socializing the costs of bringing these people in illegally
(10:23):
and then maximizing the profits for one small sector that
writes checks to the right politicians. This is what has
broken the system. Our immigration laws are actually rather straightforward
if you want to read them and look at what
they say.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Listen to this woman buck Cut twenty eight. She is,
we were just playing in New York City, the politicians
getting yelled down as they're trying to discuss this crisis
in New York City. Listen to this woman, who I
think is speaking for a huge majority of Americans. Listen
to cut twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
My message is closed the border that these people like,
how come they get to cut the lawn in front
of millions of people waiting. They're waiting to come to
America the right way, but they get like pushed in
front the migrants. So legal migrants, they get everything. They
put them first, put Americans last. We need to be
(11:15):
America first, not American's last. Do you think that AOC
was responsive to messages like this. No, she cut her
little parts conference early because she kept on talking the
same thing. Housing for migrants, work for migrants, But what
about our homeless veterans, what about our homeless Americans? She
puts them, puts the migrants first, us last.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Fuck.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
That's a black woman in AOC's congressional district. Do you
know who she sounds like? Donald Trump? She sounds like
Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. And that's why I think
you are starting to see so many people in the
working class community who would have been traditionally Democrat voters
starting to repudiate and reject Democrat positions on immigration. I mean,
(12:04):
I thought, I mean again, that's a black woman, and
I believe in AOC's congressional district in New York City,
you just heard it that basically is Donald Trump immigration pol.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, you know, they'll say that it's the Democrats
to shut people up and to keep people from learning
the truth about all the illegality around our immigration system.
What it means, what it does, How it overstretches border patrol,
How it makes the border completely wide open for the
fentanyl that is poisoning not just the one hundred thousand
plus who die of overdoses every year, but poisoning whole communities.
(12:35):
For every person who dies a fent thral, there's a
family that is forever shattered. For every person who dies
of fent thrill, there's somebody who's selling that drug that individual,
and it's facing decades in prison if they are caught
ruining that family. The poison that pours across the border
because of the illegality, it is hard to put into context.
It is hard to put into words and The only
reason this is able to continue is because the Democrats
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lie to you about it. And when they say it's racist,
go walk around. You know, I'm here in Miami. Go
walk around. Ask a lot of Latinos in Miami what
do you think about illegal immigration? You don't you get
to hear from most of them. I came here legally.
Why should they come here illegally? I came here the
right way. I had to wait, my family had to wait.
I spent money on lawyers. They can just walk across
the border. That's not right.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Almost like again, people are being lied to on this
AOC and all the rest of them. They are lying
to you about the realities of immigration and the border
and what's really happening. If there is, by the way,
a giant neon sign for how I think assuming Trump.
People have been getting mad at me, by the way,
saying Trump is not the If I don't say Trump
is the nominee, people get mad at me. If I
(13:41):
say Trump is the nominee, people get mad. I'm just
I'm just saying he's way ahead right now, folks. He's
obviously not the nominee technically, but he's clearly way way ahead,
So we're just dealing with the realities we see it.
But Clay, immigration is the issue that Trump can win
this election on. I really believe that it's how he
won twenty six team. I think immigration in twenty twenty
(14:02):
four is, and his arguments for what he did on immigration,
I will say, actually, this is some of the stuff
he said the mag Kelly interviews. This is there's actually
a case to be made that the continuation of what
he was doing was all that's needed in order to
accomplish the goal. So I think that's a particularly powerful
place for him to go anyway that immigration gets me fired.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
That was, by the way, Caitlin Sinclair's report from New
York City interviewing that woman, that's pretty fabulous, hurt. I
mean that clip that we played for you, I think
that's going to go viral, and I think it's going
to go viral because I think that woman is speaking
for a lot of people Democrats, Republicans all over the
country who were fed up with an open border.
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Speaker 1 (15:46):
Keeping it real, keeping it honest. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. As we
are reacting to the migrant crisis and everything that is
going going on there, there is now also a demand
all this is just body.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Blows landing on Joe Biden.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Even CNN's for Reid Zakaria says, hey, Democrats have to
admit they're just wrong on immigration.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's cut twenty seven, twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I do appreciate that the parties we're working round the clock,
and when I first called them at the very first
day of the negotiation, I said, please stay at the
table as long as you can to try.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
So that's actually this is why I'm talking about the
uaw for Reed Zakaria on CNN has cut twenty eight,
and we're talking about how bad it's gotten. You heard
all of those Democrat congressmen and women getting shouted down
when CNN is on, and they're saying, yeah, Democrats just
(16:56):
have to announce they're wrong on immigration. I bet to
the see in an audience because they've been told that
it's racist to complain about immigration.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Oh well, okay, we'll get back to that clip later.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
But it is instructive and interesting that we would be
in a position where even Democrats now are acknowledging that
everything is a disaster on their border policies and so.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Everything.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I mean that they're not even trying to defend against it,
and so this is I think just super messy in general.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And I don't know what would you What can.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Biden do to not make this a total mess and
also simultaneously buck not turn it into a massive issue
for the left wing on his party.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
He'll say what we need is comprehensive immigration reform and
border security. He will hide behind those two talking points,
and he will hope people don't realize comprehensive immigration reform
means amnesty.
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Speaker 2 (18:59):
We got our friends and Andy McCarthy with us now
he is Fox's contributor, writes at National Review, twenty plus
years as a federal prosecutor in the Southern District of
New York, Andy. Great to have you back. Let's just
have you jump right into it. The announcement yesterday of
the charges against Hunter Biden. How how much of a
(19:21):
surprise or how big of a deal is this in
this whole case in your mind?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, I don't want to say it's nothing burger. You know,
it's three felony gun charges. And even though I think
the Biden Justice Department did everything they could to sabotage
the case and make it disappear, they have brought these
charges and ultimately the sentencing will be up to the judge.
(19:49):
So you know, it's a it's a serious matter. Compared
to everything that's been uncovered in connection with the broader investigation,
I think it's a drop in the ocean. I also
don't think. I can't let it pass without saying that
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the Justice Department in general, and Merrick Garland and David
Weiss in particular, did everything they could do to sabotage
the case, including the gun charges, which is which are
it's inexplicable. Well, inexplicable is the wrong word. It's entirely explicable.
(20:32):
But it was terribly wrong for them to do that.
And I think, you know, if you think of what
a prosecutor is, you shake your head at this. If
you instead think, as I do, that Weiss's job was
to make the case disappear with respect to Joe Biden
more than anything else, then everything falls into place and
(20:53):
everything makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Andy, you know, there's an effort underway. Clearly, this is
the New York Times hunter. Biden could face twenty five
years in prison and seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
in fines. Here's a rundown of why the accusations against
the President's son and what makes the case unusual I'm
seeing two things happening. We're being told and you know,
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as Andy knows better than anybody, any federal felony you
can get, you know, years and years in prison. That's
you know, if you're gonna take a plea, that doesn't
really happen. But that seems to me, Andy, they're trying
to make it seem like Hunter is being treated unfairly
in a negative light by the Justice Department. Here, what
do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, it is pretty hilarious. I mean, here's a guy
who for five years has gotten the benefit of selective
exercises of prosecutorial discretion. In that case that would have
taken ten minutes to present to the grand jury in
which he's like guilty eight ways to Sunday, and would
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have been would have taken about a month to investigate.
They've never brought the case. And they not only never
brought the case, they never filed any charges that would
stop the statute of limitations. They never went to his
lawyers and said, well, will negotiate a plea with you,
but then you have to waive the statute of limitations,
which is what prosecutors ordinarily do when they're in PLAYE
(22:15):
negotiations with someone when the clock is running out. They
never did any of that stuff. This guy got the
complete benefit of all that. Then seven weeks ago they
bring him into court and they actually try to make
the gun case disappear under circumstances where he's not eligible
on the Justice Department rules for diversion on this case.
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And I must say, Buck, I think like the interesting
question here to me has always been it seems to
me that there's two guns, not one. All of the
charges that we've seen that we saw yesterday, the three
charges are in connection with a cult revolver, a thirty
eight special, and we've all seen because you can't unsee them,
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these images from the New York Post where he seems
to be in a session where he's cavorting with a prostitute,
and it seems to be a drug induced or infused session,
as it were. He's waving around a gun and that
gun is not a revolver. It looks like a clock.
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And that according to the what's been reported about this
video imagery that happened on either October seventeenth or October
nineteenth of twenty eighteen, I think the nineteenth, So that's
within this eleven day period listed in the indictment, which
goes I think from what is it, October twelfth to
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about the twenty third. So that's the second gun in
the mix here, and we've never heard a word about it. So,
you know, the thought that this guy is being treated
unfairly under these circumstances is just it bob the mind.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Andy, you talked about some of the IRS related issues. Okay,
so we've got the three felony charges brought on the
gun related issues, but you've been hammering this home about
the as it already happened with the fifteen and the
sixteen if I remember correctly, tax failure to pay taxes,
tax evasion. He totally is going to walk on that
(24:22):
because they allowed the statute of limitations to run out.
When are they going to bring these other charges at
least on seventeen and eighteen?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Andy?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
And isn't that what everybody should be hammering now? Okay, great,
the gun charges have been brought, but the IRS charges
seem to be way more significant. You tell me if
you think I'm wrong on this, then the gun charges
in the first place, it seems like they're charging him
with the lighter of the offenses, and do we feel
like these irs felony charges are going to come, and
(24:52):
if they are, when do they need to come?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And maybe where Well, I think Clay it's it's I
think it's even worse than that, because I don't think
it's just tax charges. If the evidence that is being
uncovered by the by the Congressional Committee, and it wouldn't
shock me that Weiss didn't uncover any of this evidence
because I don't think they ever conducted an investigation here.
But if what the Congressional Committee's uncovering UH is going
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to end up where I think it's leading, you could
have you could also have had money laundering charges and
FARA charges Foreign Agency Registration Act charges, as well as
bribery charges. And certainly if you look at what Muller
did with Manifort, you would think money laundering and FARAH
charges would be on the table. In addition to tax.
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The statute of limitations is just five years on most
federal crimes. It's six years on the relevant tax evasion
crimes in this case, So already everything that is in
that is a normal federal Statute of limitations crime, a
five year crime. Everything twenty eighteen is gone. And with
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respect to the tax stuff, everything before twenty seventeen is gone.
And I can't help but think that the reason that
wife handled the case the way he did was his
job was to make the case go away against Joe
Biden twenty fourteen and fifteen. It's actually twenty fourteen through
twenty sixteen, or the major years on Barisma, the China stuff,
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which is two different schemes, go through about twenty thirteen
to twenty seventeen. Some of the other stuff that we've
been here, like the Yolina bat arena, the three and
a half million to Hunter that was twenty fourteen, all
this stuff is gone. You know, the Sky did nothing.
He didn't he didn't bring any charges. Usually, as a
federal prosecutor, if you're negotiating, if you're in plean negotiations
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with the lawyers, you get them to weigh the statue
of the limitations, and if they won't do it, then
you get your you know, you get into the grand
jury and in diet so that you stop the clock.
But if you're trying to make the case go away,
then you do exactly what he's done.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Here, and not only that, And to your point, it's
awfully convenient that all the tax charges from when Joe
Biden was still in office are also the ones that
vanished right when he was still vice president, because then
you could go into whether his role and performance in
office was improperly influenced by Hunter, which is even more
(27:27):
significant obviously than the idea of him doing something out
of office.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Right, Clay, I think all you need to know about
that is that the nice people at Parisma, when Joe
was no longer vice president, they slash Hunter's salary in half. Yeah, total.
I mean, I don't know how much more blunt it
could do than that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Right, No, Nadie, what do you think of the chances
that Hunter actually sees the inside of a prison cell
at any point? Over this stuff?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well? See, now this gets to this gets to the
human element. To me, fuck more than the than the
lawyer element. I have to say, if this was one
of my sons and I had the power to pardon,
there's no way you would ever put one of my
sons in prison, Not for me? Ye what happened? So uh,
(28:23):
And I don't you know, I say this with sympathy
for Biden as a human being, as somebody who's a
parent you know, I get that it would be a
terrible abuse of power, and the honorable thing to do
if you use your power to help your family out
in that way, and to help yourself, by the way,
would be to resign right after doing it. But I
(28:43):
can't imagine that. Biden, who you know, Look, I think
I've said this a million times. I think all the
people who say Biden's lost the stuff, Yeah, maybe he
lost the step, but he was always you know, he
was an imbecile for half a century quoto. Nobody who's
followed him like I followed him for all these years
(29:05):
could be surprised by some of the stuff that we've seen.
But at the same time, as a personal matter, you know,
he lost his other son, he lost his wife and
another child. He's had a very tragic life in a
lot of ways. I have a lot of sympathy for that.
I lost my dad when I was very young. It's
a traumatic thing that you never ever get over. And
(29:28):
if you you know, if the question with on that
kind of a record is you have your one remaining
son who is tragically a narcotics addict, who you know,
has been through very bad stuff and undoubtedly put his
family through very bad stuff. Are you going to let
him get sentenced to federal prison? I just I don't
(29:52):
see it.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Well, I think that would do Sorry sorry, but but
I think that's probably what you're building on too. Okay,
from a human perspective, I think we agree that he's
unlikely to let his son ever go into UH, into
a jail or into any sort of prison. What does
that do politically in your mind? Andy, If he were
to decide to do something that no one has ever
(30:15):
done with the pardon power in the history of the
United States, and that is pardon his own son, I.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Think it's gonna it's gonna make a fool out of
me play because I've been the one who's saying all
along that I don't think Trump can win. I just
don't think, like the math doesn't work. And I think
if Biden does something like we're talking about UH, all
bets are off.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
It's so destructive politically to him that you think Trump
could win ahead to head battle with Biden. That's how
that's how destructive it could be.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't want to suggest that
it's a it's a it's an isolation, right. The economy's
a mess. We could be heading into a recession, which
is a catastrophe for a president to try to run on.
His record's been awful. He's destroying the country. He's completely
(31:13):
decimating important institutions in the country. He's a very unpopular figure.
And if he given what his age is, you have
to take into account that if anything were to happen
to him, Kamala Harris becomes president. I mean, that's such
a toxic combination of things. If you throw on top
(31:35):
of it that he abuses his power. I assume if
he's going to cross the rubicon, he's not just going
to pardon Hunter. He's going to pardon you know, whoever
in his family is implicated in the influence peddling scheme.
It'd be very hard to survive all that politically.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't think there's any doubt. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
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Oh oh, you're killing me. I thought the week. I
start the week with Rogers and I end the week
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Welcome back in Clay's Travis Buck Section show hoof all
of you are having a fantastic Friday wherever you are
across this great country. We got a bunch of people
who want to weigh in, I believe, with a variety
of different comments. Let's start here Ken in Northeast Ohio.
We're talking about illegal immigration and what a massive issue
it is for the Biden administration right now, as even
(33:43):
Democrat traditional voters are turning on their representatives. And you
heard us play video of AOC and others in New
York City being shouted down.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Ken, what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Well, first of all, I'm calling from Southeast Michigan, Lavonia, Michigan.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
To be exact, I.
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Know where Lavonia is. That's a good place. My wife
is from is from Southeast Michigan. So we appreciate everybody
listening in.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
That on my radio station.
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Now, well, we're happy nine ten am, I think right.
We love all the people who are listening now in Detroit,
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Speaker 8 (34:19):
Yes. No, the reason I'll Colin you brought up earlier
donald Trump and COVID, And now I did vote for
Donald Trump once, voted for him a second time, and
I will vote for him if he's on the ballot again.
Now regarding COVID, the one thing that all the doctors
that I deal with have told me from the very
beginning is we have to look at who controls the
(34:42):
World Health Organization, who controls the CDC, who controls those
medical agencies that receive government funding. And as I like
to describe them, as my doctors agreed with, I use
this symbolically the children of or in other words, comments,
(35:03):
And what that means is anything that they tell you.
And I follow this myself very religiously, very strictly. Same
thing the CDC tells you, do the opposite anything the
World Health Organization tells you.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
It is thank you for the call.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
By the way, isn't that amazing, Buck that we could
be in a position in a country where he could
say that, and I would say to myself, yeah, I
kind of agree with him. Whatever the CDC is saying.
You saw, we talked about it earlier this week the
CDC Health director. We had Alex Bearnson on. She wrote
a big piece in the New York Times saying everybody
six months and older needs to get the COVID shot.
And I would say, all of the data tells you
(35:43):
the exact opposite of that, especially if you're under sixty five.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I mean, I'm pretty sure. The CDC for a long
time used to tell people who, you know, if you
were sexually active as a you know, as a heterosexual
male or female in particular, they would say, you need
to have with part of your annual physical and HIV text. Yeah,
and this was part of them to bring this up
(36:09):
because of what Fauci Fauci and the whole the way
that he went and Barnson mentioned this yesterday. They completely
overestimated the risk of HIV transmission to a vast majority
of the population. And this was a largely political decision,
and they did this for a very long time. So
the people who like they were only maybe you know,
(36:29):
maybe they're engaged their college sweetheart, and they say, oh,
you're sexually acted, you should get an HIV test. Yeah,
that was common practice in the nineties.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Everybody I looked at this up buck because I was
blown away by it, the odds of a heterosexual man
right sleeping with a woman who had hiv or AIDS.
If you slept with a woman with hiv or AIDS,
one in four hundred chants of you getting hiv or agent.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
So it's pretty crazy.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Second hour of Clay in Buck kicks off. Let's talk
migrant crisis NYC.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
A little bit of update for you on this one.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
There was a meeting with Alexandria Okazio or Okazio, Cortes,
Jerry Nadler, a bunch of prominent Democrats outside of a
hotel in Manhattan that is now a relief center for
asylum seekers. And there were some folks who were present
(00:38):
who were not happy with the fact that New York
City is now America's largest refugee camp. And that is
a from a definition perspective and accurate statement they are
taking in asylum seekers or refugees. Also the numbers on this, Clay,
I thought this was interesting. There was a city councilwoman,
I think it was a city council woman. Vernikov memory
(01:00):
serves that I saw share the asylum numbers for what
percentage recently eighty ninety percent of the people coming from
Central America other parts of Latin America, for example, don't
get asylum when they're actually up for because they're not
asylum seekers.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
This is the whole point here is the system is
being scammed. Asylum is I can't be in my country
because I'm in physical danger or I'm being oppressed because
of my religion or something that is different than I
want to be in a country with a better economy,
in a massive welfare state. Here I am. That's called immigration.
That's not asylum seeking or refugee status. But they claim
(01:37):
to be refugees because they're scamming the whole system. Everybody
has to remember that. So they're running massive refugee camps
now in New York City. I've been to other refugee
camps elsewhere in the world, so I know something about
refugee camps. And here is what it sounded like outside
the hotel as these democrats are in there to make
this even more comfortable, more funding and better for the
(02:01):
illegal aliens who have gathered in New York City, play it.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
The American dream.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Will not be bullied.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Into submission today.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
We will continue to fight for the American dream.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
We will not be bully will We're not be pushing
to a corner. We will fight for these common sense solutions.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Can I just be clear?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Apparently that was Representative Adriano espayat Did I get that right?
If I nailed that, when I'm proud of myself. First
time I've seen that name Democrat of New York who
is saying, Clay, the American dream now is you get
to enter illegally, you get to lie about the need
(02:44):
for you to stay, You get taxpayers to pay for
your food, housing, clothing, and all healthcare everything else, and
then you're supposed to be able to get work permits.
That's the American dream now, according to Democrats who are
speaking at this migrant center in Manhattan.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
And what's important about this, Buck, is those are Democrat
voters screaming at by and large Democrat congressmen and women.
So Democrats. Now, there's a pretty consistent position on the
Republican side, right. It is, let's have border security. Let's
not have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming across
(03:24):
the border every couple of days. I saw Bill Malujin
just put out a tweet in the last twenty minutes, Buck,
the Biden administration. Things are so crowded now on the
border that the Biden administration is putting migrants on buses
and now dropping them off in San Diego.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Did you see that?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I mean, maybe we can grab that audio, but they're
telling those illegal immigrants you're free to go, like you're
just go out and do whatever you want. I mean,
this is crazy. But Democrats don't have an answer for this.
They because they're finally fighting internally over this.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But they should based on what the Democrat party position
has been. This will be a shock. If you go back,
you could find editorials by the editorial board of the
New York Times as recently as let's say ninety eight,
maybe ninety nine. I mean, I'd go back. As you know,
I grew up in a New York Times, subscribing household clay,
(04:23):
so I used to read it all the time. Then
we switched to the Wall Street Journal years later. The
Times used to be a better paper in the nineties,
even if it was liberal. Now it's obviously just communist nonsense.
But they would back in the nineties write editorials about
illegal immigration and talk about how it was unfair to
other migrants, how it suppressed wages for the working class,
(04:45):
how it particularly created unfair competition for racial minorities already
in America, how it created They would actually make these
arguments from a Democrat perspective that it was suppressing wag
and that it was an unfair drain on the welfare state.
Now with for the last twenty years or so, it
(05:06):
has switched to illegal immigrant. This is a nation of
illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are better than Americans in terms
of their work ethic, better than Americans in terms of
their law abiding nature. It's all propaganda. And what they're
finally forced to deal with is okay, So illegal migrants,
all they do is make everybody wealthier, better off. Say
(05:27):
for everything, that's great. New York should be saying, send
another one hundred thousand, Yeah, send another one hundred thousand.
We want more instead. The Mayor of New York City,
and now he's trying to walk it back, is saying
they are quote going to destroy this city, destroy it,
ruin it. Why are they ruining it? Everybody? The Democrat
Party told us for twenty years that illegal immigrants are
(05:49):
amazing and just make the country better in every respect. Clay,
there was no downside you were allowed to speak of
without being shouted down for being xenophobic em racist. And
that's what they tried to say about the idea of
the wall. And what I think you're seeing is the
number one issue that Biden is underwater on is the border,
(06:09):
and he's underwater on it because everybody agrees that it's
a disaster. And I thought you succinctly summed it up,
you know, last year when you said Joe Biden cares
way more about the sanctity of Ukraine's border than he
does the United States border. And I think that is
a pitch that works very well when you go out
and make an argument about what is going on there,
(06:32):
but when you're seeing now record because remember Title forty
two was ended, and it sound it felt like and
you see, if you agree with me on this buck
that there was almost a pause because people weren't sure
what the new policy was going to be south of
the border, and so there was a huge influx before
(06:53):
Title forty two expired. Then Title forty two expires and
things slow down a little bit because there was uncertainty
as to what the policies were going to be like.
And now it's basically a huge, wide open southern border
and everybody is rushing back.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
The flood is the border again, that is all correct.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
The flood is full on, back on, and you have
to remember the migrants that there are networks. They're speaking
to each other and word gets out through the smuggling
networks when is a good time to go? And so
if there was a pause at the border at the
end of Title forty two, it would have only just
(07:32):
been a you could call it a strategic pause to
see can we still get in easily? Are they still
doing the same stuff?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Title forty two wasn't blocking a lot of people who
are coming in illegally anyway. It just gave one tool
that could be used and was used, particularly earlier on
in the pandemic, more forcefully, to repatriate immediately people who
weren't in the country legally. But you know, you start
to realize the erosion of the rule of law that
(08:01):
this represents is not a minor thing, because if the
government can just decide that a person can be in
the country illegally and just because it is no longer illegal,
they don't pass a statue to this regard. They don't
they don't actually clarify this as a function of law.
They just choose that immigration law doesn't matter anymore. Clay,
why should tax law matter?
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Why is hunter facing charges on possession of a gun?
I mean, what laws should we really enforce? Like, what
does it mean when our immigration system they keep saying
it is broken. That is a lie. The left, the
activists and the Kamis have broken it because what they've
done is morally blackmail the country effectively into refusing to
(08:42):
enforce immigration law. And by the way, a lot of
Republicans go along with this too. A lot of Chamber
of Commerce donor class Republican politicians and you know, all
throughout the spectrum are like, we need the cheap I
got into a huge fight with some very famous Republicans
at the table that I cannot name those off the record.
Clay not long ago. It was actually on a on
(09:04):
a this is how I spend my This is before Carrie.
I was spending what's the fancy the Heart Holiday?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
What is it called? Same?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Not Valentine the Heart Valentine's Day, said.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
By like such a long term bachelor. There was a
stupid Heart holiday whatever it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Is, the stupid cubd and the bows and the arrows. Yeah,
I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I can't tell you over the years how many dates
I was like, didn't go.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I was like the Heart Holiday.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I was like, is there like a is there a
pediatric association hall, like, yeah, the Heart Holiday, Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
But I was at I was at a.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Dinner and and and one, and there were a couple
of people and it was off the records, I can't say,
but there's some very well known right wingers who were there.
And there was a donor class person, let's just say,
a very wealthy donor class person. And all this person
kept saying was we need more illegals because I need
to hire them for the businesses, big, big businesses. And
I kept saying, what about America? And you know what
(10:01):
the response kept being, They're too expensive. Yeah, well, folks,
guess what, there's a reason that they can get paid less.
And there are reasons that involve also all the social
services that are going to go to support the illegals,
as in what you see in New York City society.
It's socializing the costs of bringing these people in illegally
(10:23):
and then maximizing the profits for one small sector that
writes checks to the right politicians. This is what has
broken the system. Our immigration laws are actually rather straightforward
if you want to read them and look at what
they say.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Listen to this woman buck Cut twenty eight. She is,
we were just playing in New York City, the politicians
getting yelled down as they're trying to discuss this crisis
in New York City. Listen to this woman, who I
think is speaking for a huge majority of Americans. Listen
to cut twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
My message is closed the border that these people like,
how come they get to cut the lawn in front
of millions of people waiting. They're waiting to come to
America the right way, but they get like pushed in
front the migrants. So legal migrants, they get everything. They
put them first, put Americans last. We need to be
(11:15):
America first, not American's last. Do you think that AOC
was responsive to messages like this. No, she cut her
little parts conference early because she kept on talking the
same thing. Housing for migrants, work for migrants, But what
about our homeless veterans, what about our homeless Americans? She
puts them, puts the migrants first, us last.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Fuck.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
That's a black woman in AOC's congressional district. Do you
know who she sounds like? Donald Trump? She sounds like
Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. And that's why I think
you are starting to see so many people in the
working class community who would have been traditionally Democrat voters
starting to repudiate and reject Democrat positions on immigration. I mean,
(12:04):
I thought, I mean again, that's a black woman, and
I believe in AOC's congressional district in New York City,
you just heard it that basically is Donald Trump immigration pol.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, you know, they'll say that it's the Democrats
to shut people up and to keep people from learning
the truth about all the illegality around our immigration system.
What it means, what it does, How it overstretches border patrol,
How it makes the border completely wide open for the
fentanyl that is poisoning not just the one hundred thousand
plus who die of overdoses every year, but poisoning whole communities.
(12:35):
For every person who dies a fent thral, there's a
family that is forever shattered. For every person who dies
of fent thrill, there's somebody who's selling that drug that individual,
and it's facing decades in prison if they are caught
ruining that family. The poison that pours across the border
because of the illegality, it is hard to put into context.
It is hard to put into words and The only
reason this is able to continue is because the Democrats
(12:57):
lie to you about it. And when they say it's racist,
go walk around. You know, I'm here in Miami. Go
walk around. Ask a lot of Latinos in Miami what
do you think about illegal immigration? You don't you get
to hear from most of them. I came here legally.
Why should they come here illegally? I came here the
right way. I had to wait, my family had to wait.
I spent money on lawyers. They can just walk across
the border. That's not right.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Almost like again, people are being lied to on this
AOC and all the rest of them. They are lying
to you about the realities of immigration and the border
and what's really happening. If there is, by the way,
a giant neon sign for how I think assuming Trump.
People have been getting mad at me, by the way,
saying Trump is not the If I don't say Trump
is the nominee, people get mad at me. If I
(13:41):
say Trump is the nominee, people get mad. I'm just
I'm just saying he's way ahead right now, folks. He's
obviously not the nominee technically, but he's clearly way way ahead,
So we're just dealing with the realities we see it.
But Clay, immigration is the issue that Trump can win
this election on. I really believe that it's how he
won twenty six team. I think immigration in twenty twenty
(14:02):
four is, and his arguments for what he did on immigration,
I will say, actually, this is some of the stuff
he said the mag Kelly interviews. This is there's actually
a case to be made that the continuation of what
he was doing was all that's needed in order to
accomplish the goal. So I think that's a particularly powerful
place for him to go anyway that immigration gets me fired.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
That was, by the way, Caitlin Sinclair's report from New
York City interviewing that woman, that's pretty fabulous, hurt. I
mean that clip that we played for you, I think
that's going to go viral, and I think it's going
to go viral because I think that woman is speaking
for a lot of people Democrats, Republicans all over the
country who were fed up with an open border.
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Keeping it real, keeping it honest. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. As we
are reacting to the migrant crisis and everything that is
going going on there, there is now also a demand
all this is just body.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Blows landing on Joe Biden.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Even CNN's for Reid Zakaria says, hey, Democrats have to
admit they're just wrong on immigration.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's cut twenty seven, twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I do appreciate that the parties we're working round the clock,
and when I first called them at the very first
day of the negotiation, I said, please stay at the
table as long as you can to try.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
So that's actually this is why I'm talking about the
uaw for Reed Zakaria on CNN has cut twenty eight,
and we're talking about how bad it's gotten. You heard
all of those Democrat congressmen and women getting shouted down
when CNN is on, and they're saying, yeah, Democrats just
(16:56):
have to announce they're wrong on immigration. I bet to
the see in an audience because they've been told that
it's racist to complain about immigration.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Oh well, okay, we'll get back to that clip later.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
But it is instructive and interesting that we would be
in a position where even Democrats now are acknowledging that
everything is a disaster on their border policies and so.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Everything.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I mean that they're not even trying to defend against it,
and so this is I think just super messy in general.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And I don't know what would you What can.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Biden do to not make this a total mess and
also simultaneously buck not turn it into a massive issue
for the left wing on his party.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
He'll say what we need is comprehensive immigration reform and
border security. He will hide behind those two talking points,
and he will hope people don't realize comprehensive immigration reform
means amnesty.
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We got our friends and Andy McCarthy with us now
he is Fox's contributor, writes at National Review, twenty plus
years as a federal prosecutor in the Southern District of
New York, Andy. Great to have you back. Let's just
have you jump right into it. The announcement yesterday of
the charges against Hunter Biden. How how much of a
(19:21):
surprise or how big of a deal is this in
this whole case in your mind?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, I don't want to say it's nothing burger. You know,
it's three felony gun charges. And even though I think
the Biden Justice Department did everything they could to sabotage
the case and make it disappear, they have brought these
charges and ultimately the sentencing will be up to the judge.
(19:49):
So you know, it's a it's a serious matter. Compared
to everything that's been uncovered in connection with the broader investigation,
I think it's a drop in the ocean. I also
don't think. I can't let it pass without saying that
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the Justice Department in general, and Merrick Garland and David
Weiss in particular, did everything they could do to sabotage
the case, including the gun charges, which is which are
it's inexplicable. Well, inexplicable is the wrong word. It's entirely explicable.
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But it was terribly wrong for them to do that.
And I think, you know, if you think of what
a prosecutor is, you shake your head at this. If
you instead think, as I do, that Weiss's job was
to make the case disappear with respect to Joe Biden
more than anything else, then everything falls into place and
(20:53):
everything makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Andy, you know, there's an effort underway. Clearly, this is
the New York Times hunter. Biden could face twenty five
years in prison and seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
in fines. Here's a rundown of why the accusations against
the President's son and what makes the case unusual I'm
seeing two things happening. We're being told and you know,
(21:16):
as Andy knows better than anybody, any federal felony you
can get, you know, years and years in prison. That's
you know, if you're gonna take a plea, that doesn't
really happen. But that seems to me, Andy, they're trying
to make it seem like Hunter is being treated unfairly
in a negative light by the Justice Department. Here, what
do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, it is pretty hilarious. I mean, here's a guy
who for five years has gotten the benefit of selective
exercises of prosecutorial discretion. In that case that would have
taken ten minutes to present to the grand jury in
which he's like guilty eight ways to Sunday, and would
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have been would have taken about a month to investigate.
They've never brought the case. And they not only never
brought the case, they never filed any charges that would
stop the statute of limitations. They never went to his
lawyers and said, well, will negotiate a plea with you,
but then you have to waive the statute of limitations,
which is what prosecutors ordinarily do when they're in PLAYE
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negotiations with someone when the clock is running out. They
never did any of that stuff. This guy got the
complete benefit of all that. Then seven weeks ago they
bring him into court and they actually try to make
the gun case disappear under circumstances where he's not eligible
on the Justice Department rules for diversion on this case.
(22:37):
And I must say, Buck, I think like the interesting
question here to me has always been it seems to
me that there's two guns, not one. All of the
charges that we've seen that we saw yesterday, the three
charges are in connection with a cult revolver, a thirty
eight special, and we've all seen because you can't unsee them,
(23:02):
these images from the New York Post where he seems
to be in a session where he's cavorting with a prostitute,
and it seems to be a drug induced or infused session,
as it were. He's waving around a gun and that
gun is not a revolver. It looks like a clock.
(23:23):
And that according to the what's been reported about this
video imagery that happened on either October seventeenth or October
nineteenth of twenty eighteen, I think the nineteenth, So that's
within this eleven day period listed in the indictment, which
goes I think from what is it, October twelfth to
(23:44):
about the twenty third. So that's the second gun in
the mix here, and we've never heard a word about it. So,
you know, the thought that this guy is being treated
unfairly under these circumstances is just it bob the mind.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Andy, you talked about some of the IRS related issues. Okay,
so we've got the three felony charges brought on the
gun related issues, but you've been hammering this home about
the as it already happened with the fifteen and the
sixteen if I remember correctly, tax failure to pay taxes,
tax evasion. He totally is going to walk on that
(24:22):
because they allowed the statute of limitations to run out.
When are they going to bring these other charges at
least on seventeen and eighteen?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Andy?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
And isn't that what everybody should be hammering now? Okay, great,
the gun charges have been brought, but the IRS charges
seem to be way more significant. You tell me if
you think I'm wrong on this, then the gun charges
in the first place, it seems like they're charging him
with the lighter of the offenses, and do we feel
like these irs felony charges are going to come, and
(24:52):
if they are, when do they need to come?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And maybe where Well, I think Clay it's it's I
think it's even worse than that, because I don't think
it's just tax charges. If the evidence that is being
uncovered by the by the Congressional Committee, and it wouldn't
shock me that Weiss didn't uncover any of this evidence
because I don't think they ever conducted an investigation here.
But if what the Congressional Committee's uncovering UH is going
(25:19):
to end up where I think it's leading, you could
have you could also have had money laundering charges and
FARA charges Foreign Agency Registration Act charges, as well as
bribery charges. And certainly if you look at what Muller
did with Manifort, you would think money laundering and FARAH
charges would be on the table. In addition to tax.
(25:41):
The statute of limitations is just five years on most
federal crimes. It's six years on the relevant tax evasion
crimes in this case, So already everything that is in
that is a normal federal Statute of limitations crime, a
five year crime. Everything twenty eighteen is gone. And with
(26:03):
respect to the tax stuff, everything before twenty seventeen is gone.
And I can't help but think that the reason that
wife handled the case the way he did was his
job was to make the case go away against Joe
Biden twenty fourteen and fifteen. It's actually twenty fourteen through
twenty sixteen, or the major years on Barisma, the China stuff,
(26:25):
which is two different schemes, go through about twenty thirteen
to twenty seventeen. Some of the other stuff that we've
been here, like the Yolina bat arena, the three and
a half million to Hunter that was twenty fourteen, all
this stuff is gone. You know, the Sky did nothing.
He didn't he didn't bring any charges. Usually, as a
federal prosecutor, if you're negotiating, if you're in plean negotiations
(26:50):
with the lawyers, you get them to weigh the statue
of the limitations, and if they won't do it, then
you get your you know, you get into the grand
jury and in diet so that you stop the clock.
But if you're trying to make the case go away,
then you do exactly what he's done.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Here, and not only that, And to your point, it's
awfully convenient that all the tax charges from when Joe
Biden was still in office are also the ones that
vanished right when he was still vice president, because then
you could go into whether his role and performance in
office was improperly influenced by Hunter, which is even more
(27:27):
significant obviously than the idea of him doing something out
of office.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Right, Clay, I think all you need to know about
that is that the nice people at Parisma, when Joe
was no longer vice president, they slash Hunter's salary in half. Yeah, total.
I mean, I don't know how much more blunt it
could do than that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Right, No, Nadie, what do you think of the chances
that Hunter actually sees the inside of a prison cell
at any point? Over this stuff?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well? See, now this gets to this gets to the
human element. To me, fuck more than the than the
lawyer element. I have to say, if this was one
of my sons and I had the power to pardon,
there's no way you would ever put one of my
sons in prison, Not for me? Ye what happened? So uh,
(28:23):
And I don't you know, I say this with sympathy
for Biden as a human being, as somebody who's a
parent you know, I get that it would be a
terrible abuse of power, and the honorable thing to do
if you use your power to help your family out
in that way, and to help yourself, by the way,
would be to resign right after doing it. But I
(28:43):
can't imagine that. Biden, who you know, Look, I think
I've said this a million times. I think all the
people who say Biden's lost the stuff, Yeah, maybe he
lost the step, but he was always you know, he
was an imbecile for half a century quoto. Nobody who's
followed him like I followed him for all these years
(29:05):
could be surprised by some of the stuff that we've seen.
But at the same time, as a personal matter, you know,
he lost his other son, he lost his wife and
another child. He's had a very tragic life in a
lot of ways. I have a lot of sympathy for that.
I lost my dad when I was very young. It's
a traumatic thing that you never ever get over. And
(29:28):
if you you know, if the question with on that
kind of a record is you have your one remaining
son who is tragically a narcotics addict, who you know,
has been through very bad stuff and undoubtedly put his
family through very bad stuff. Are you going to let
him get sentenced to federal prison? I just I don't
(29:52):
see it.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Well, I think that would do Sorry sorry, but but
I think that's probably what you're building on too. Okay,
from a human perspective, I think we agree that he's
unlikely to let his son ever go into UH, into
a jail or into any sort of prison. What does
that do politically in your mind? Andy, If he were
to decide to do something that no one has ever
(30:15):
done with the pardon power in the history of the
United States, and that is pardon his own son, I.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Think it's gonna it's gonna make a fool out of
me play because I've been the one who's saying all
along that I don't think Trump can win. I just
don't think, like the math doesn't work. And I think
if Biden does something like we're talking about UH, all
bets are off.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
It's so destructive politically to him that you think Trump
could win ahead to head battle with Biden. That's how
that's how destructive it could be.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't want to suggest that
it's a it's a it's an isolation, right. The economy's
a mess. We could be heading into a recession, which
is a catastrophe for a president to try to run on.
His record's been awful. He's destroying the country. He's completely
(31:13):
decimating important institutions in the country. He's a very unpopular figure.
And if he given what his age is, you have
to take into account that if anything were to happen
to him, Kamala Harris becomes president. I mean, that's such
a toxic combination of things. If you throw on top
(31:35):
of it that he abuses his power. I assume if
he's going to cross the rubicon, he's not just going
to pardon Hunter. He's going to pardon you know, whoever
in his family is implicated in the influence peddling scheme.
It'd be very hard to survive all that politically.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't think there's any doubt. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Hey, I hope you enjoy my braves winning the sixth
straight NL East title.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Oh oh, you're killing me. I thought the week. I
start the week with Rogers and I end the week
with that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
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Welcome back in Clay's Travis Buck Section show hoof all
of you are having a fantastic Friday wherever you are
across this great country. We got a bunch of people
who want to weigh in, I believe, with a variety
of different comments. Let's start here Ken in Northeast Ohio.
We're talking about illegal immigration and what a massive issue
it is for the Biden administration right now, as even
(33:43):
Democrat traditional voters are turning on their representatives. And you
heard us play video of AOC and others in New
York City being shouted down.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Ken, what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Well, first of all, I'm calling from Southeast Michigan, Lavonia, Michigan.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
To be exact, I.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Know where Lavonia is. That's a good place. My wife
is from is from Southeast Michigan. So we appreciate everybody
listening in.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
That on my radio station.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Now, well, we're happy nine ten am, I think right.
We love all the people who are listening now in Detroit,
we appreciate the new station.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Yes. No, the reason I'll Colin you brought up earlier
donald Trump and COVID, And now I did vote for
Donald Trump once, voted for him a second time, and
I will vote for him if he's on the ballot again.
Now regarding COVID, the one thing that all the doctors
that I deal with have told me from the very
beginning is we have to look at who controls the
(34:42):
World Health Organization, who controls the CDC, who controls those
medical agencies that receive government funding. And as I like
to describe them, as my doctors agreed with, I use
this symbolically the children of or in other words, comments,
(35:03):
And what that means is anything that they tell you.
And I follow this myself very religiously, very strictly. Same
thing the CDC tells you, do the opposite anything the
World Health Organization tells you.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
It is thank you for the call.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
By the way, isn't that amazing, Buck that we could
be in a position in a country where he could
say that, and I would say to myself, yeah, I
kind of agree with him. Whatever the CDC is saying.
You saw, we talked about it earlier this week the
CDC Health director. We had Alex Bearnson on. She wrote
a big piece in the New York Times saying everybody
six months and older needs to get the COVID shot.
And I would say, all of the data tells you
(35:43):
the exact opposite of that, especially if you're under sixty five.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I mean, I'm pretty sure. The CDC for a long
time used to tell people who, you know, if you
were sexually active as a you know, as a heterosexual
male or female in particular, they would say, you need
to have with part of your annual physical and HIV text. Yeah,
and this was part of them to bring this up
(36:09):
because of what Fauci Fauci and the whole the way
that he went and Barnson mentioned this yesterday. They completely
overestimated the risk of HIV transmission to a vast majority
of the population. And this was a largely political decision,
and they did this for a very long time. So
the people who like they were only maybe you know,
(36:29):
maybe they're engaged their college sweetheart, and they say, oh,
you're sexually acted, you should get an HIV test. Yeah,
that was common practice in the nineties.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Everybody I looked at this up buck because I was
blown away by it, the odds of a heterosexual man
right sleeping with a woman who had hiv or AIDS.
If you slept with a woman with hiv or AIDS,
one in four hundred chants of you getting hiv or agent.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
So it's pretty crazy.
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