November 30, 2023 • 36 mins
Reuters says Dems have no backup plan to replace Biden. Kamala won't say if Israel is following rules of war, blames racism and sexism for her unpopularity, repeats lie that Russians interfered in 2016 election. Chicago mayor blames crime on Republicans who want to bring back slavery. Democrats keep pushing Bidenomics as a great success. Is there Trump economy nostalgia? DeSantis-Newsom debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
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(00:26):
it's the Reuters piece from six hours ago. Play here,
you get ready for this one. I know Vivek came
on yesterday, so convincing the veke and yet so wrong
on this issue. So convincing it gets so wrong. Maybe
that should be a tagline because he says that it's
going to be Gavin Newsome and it's not going to
(00:47):
be Joe Biden who's the president. Here's what the Reuter's
headline is, quote Democrats have no Biden backup plan for
twenty twenty four despite age. So they're laying out here
and this is what I've been saying. The Democrat Party
I'm quoting has no plan b if Joe Biden for
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any reason decides to halt his twenty twenty four reelection campaign,
and a sudden need to replace him as its standard
bearer for health issues would spark a messy intra party battle.
Despite weak poll numbers and questions, including from some Democrats
about his age, Biden has stuck to his plan to
seek a second term. Even if more Democrat candidates were
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jumping now, the path forward would be unclear, as deadlines
to get on the primary ballot in critical states including Nevada,
South Carolina, Georgia already passed. So if you're not on
the ballot in Nevada, South Carolina, and Georgia as a Democrat, well,
certainly Nevada and South Carolina, Nevada and Georgia well, for
the primary purposes, South Carolina matters too. You can't win,
(01:53):
is the point. You can't win, that's not going to happen, right,
So they have to figure out some other way. I'm
I'm hearing that there's still a lot of squabbling going
on behind closed doors in the Democrat Party, in the
high high levels about what to do here. But it
keeps coming back to there is no backup plan, Clay,
other than the Vice president. This is we have a
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vice president in case of the need for someone to
step in, And this is a this is a common Now,
this is not an amuse. Sometimes Kamala moments are amusing
because you're, you know, you're just like, what is she saying?
Like this is this is such nonsense and she talks
in a circle and it makes But here you have her.
(02:39):
She's asked a pretty straightforward question dealing with Hamas and
uh and the Israel war in Gaza. Right now, this
has cut seven. Here's how she responds to, is Israel
following rules of war?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
This is critically important that humanitarian aid be given to
Gaza and that the rules of war be followed.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Do you think they're following them?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, that's a very broad question. There are many rules,
but I will say that they we are looking at
that at some point a discussion that can be.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
We're looking at We're having a discussion.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's a straightforward question, is Israel following the rules of war?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
What I would really want to know is you know
how she'd respond to is hamas a terrorist entity that
is violating rules of war? Because you can tell she
doesn't want to upset Clay. The far left of the
party because she was on the ticket. She is the
vice president because of identity politics, because of racial politics
in America today. Biden was very clear about why he
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made the picks that he has made, including for vice president,
and she doesn't want to upset the Hamas, you know,
the Hamas delegation in America, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Speaking of who could be the candidate to take the
hoist the batar, to hoist the flag of the Democrat Party,
hopefully from his perspective, not get hoisted on the patard
to the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Do you know what Gavin Newsom said yesterday? Did you
see this on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Last night?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I'm reading from Yeshar Ali last night, the Oakland City
Council this a couple of days ago now voted on
a resolution to call for a ceasefire. A city council
member tried to insert this is Oakland language, condemning Hamas
into that call for a ceasefire, and there was immediate
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bedlam in Oakland over the idea that you could condemn.
Gavin Newsom responded, linked this clip and said Hamas is
a terrorist organization.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
They must be called out for what they are. Evil.
Would Kamala Harris say that, no, right, not think she would.
I do not she would, I think I think she would.
She would head, she would prevaricate, she would you know,
she would do uh.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
She would equivocate, she would tap dance, she would avoid
trying to because because again, this is that conflict that
the identity politics coalition of the Democrat Party has. You
can't be pro Israel and simultaneously pro palacetaring.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Now, now, the the only reason we're even talking about,
we're even having a discussion about this issue really is
because of the right. If if Harris were a standout
political figure on the left and Democrats felt strongly about her,
it's they it's so clear, right, so clear, what would happen.
(05:44):
It's time for Biden to pass the torch. Kamala runs,
first female vice president, first black female vice I'm sorry,
first female president, first black female president, and you know,
the narrative is all there. They have very low faith
in her because of the numbers. So she was asked
about this is cut nine. She was asked about the
numbers as well. This is at the New York Times
(06:05):
Deal Book summit, right, the same thing that Elon spoke at. Yeah,
I mean Elon's soundbites were better, so Clay got to
do the fun soundbites. I'm doing the Kamala soundbites. Yes
here it is here. When she's asked about her numbers,
guess what she blames for her low numbers.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Blame your own popularity.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Sure, you've seen the polls.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Also, your ratings thirty eight point five percent, Biden's forty
point four percent, and Trump is higher. Ron Klain says this,
And you've seen press about yourself over the years.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
He says that he believes that.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Your popularity or unpopularity, or whatever rating you want to
put it as, is a function of sexism and racism.
He says that's part of the problem. He says, she
doesn't get the credit for all that she's done.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Do you think that's true?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, are we talking about the media? Are people as
it relates to the media. I'm sure some of that
is true.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Sex and racism isn't Isn't it fascinating that for Democrats
the diversity is a strength and they elevate people because
of diversity and because that's so important and so much better.
But then they'll also tell us, well, the reason they're
not and remember, Comma's not popular among Democrats, to be clear,
So this whole notion that it's sexism and racism, she's
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saying that Democrats are sexist and racists. Put aside that
Republicans even enter into this issue. It's just weak. It's
just not going to work. As the explanation.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Two things on this one to get your job because
you are a black woman and be a heartbeat away
from the presidency and then blame people not liking you
because you're a black woman is next the level gas
lighting Part one, part two, and this is building on
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what you just said, buck Kamala Harris dropped out of
the Democrat primary before a single vote was taken, pulling
at around one or two percent. Was the Democrat primary
electorate racist and sexist because they didn't embrace her campaign?
Or is she not a very good communicator, not particularly likable,
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and also bereft of success from a political perspective that
you could point to and say, oh, she's been really
accomplished in a high level of office.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I think it's probably the latter.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And this is why, Bucket, you ask how this process
is going to play out. I thought I've been wrong
on this so far because I thought around a month ago,
Joe Biden would have come out and said, hey, I'm
too old. Effectively, I feel like I have done the
(08:53):
best job that I can given my age. It's time
for a new generation of Democrats to take over and
let there be a primary because Kamala.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Is so bad.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
If Kamala were actually doing a good job and was
well liked, and here's a question for all of you
out there, who was the last vice president to be
really well liked in office? Joe Biden wasn't hated when
he was Barack Obama's VP. Now he was overlooked. Dick
Cheney was way less popular than George W.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Bush.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Al Gore was quite popular, although he ran and lost.
Dan Quayle got raked over the coals, absolutely obliterated. If
Kamala were as popular, here's a question for you, Buck
if AOC, and I think age was a reason she
wouldn't be in the mix. If AOC were Joe Biden's
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vice president right now, they would be using her as
the standard bear she would. I think that they would
look at AOC even though she's got all sorts of
issues and she just said she's gonna leave Twitter because
Elon Oscar saying such hateful things. I think the base
likes AOC enough that they would say it's time for
Joe Biden to step down. Remember you and me, if
(10:09):
we had been doing this show in January of twenty twenty,
we took over in June of June of twenty twenty one.
If we've been doing it in January of twenty twenty one,
I think we would have had complete agreement that all
Joe Biden was was a bridge to Kamala Harris, and
that was the intent. Joe Biden is very unpopular as
a VP. As a president, somehow is VP is even
(10:32):
more unpopular. Democrats haven't been able to execute their plan
as a result. But I think the coup is going
to happen at the DNC now. I think Biden's gonna
announce he's not going to run, and I think all
those DNC super delegates are going to get to select
the next nominee.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Can I can I just throw out there that this
is the only option now other than Kamala Harris takes
over or it's Biden.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yes, so, and I've said for the get go Buck,
there's no way it's Kamala. They're trying to do whatever
they can to avoid Kamala being the nominee because she's
worse than Biden in terms of likelihood of winning.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But this is why Biden's still the guy. This is
why we come back to it. And just one more
thing here Kamala in the same interview, also, you know
how we're supposed to be so upset about anybody who
denies elections or undermines the sanctity of our elections. Here
is Kamala Harris on Russian interference in the twenty sixteen
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Trump victorious election. Place.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Russia interfered in the twenty sixteen election, targeting specific groups
of Americans with dison misinformation with an intention to undermine
the American people's confidence in our institutions.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, Twitter interfered in the twenty twenty election at the
behest of Democrats. So you know, put this aside, the
fact that she's still clinging to the Russia. Basically, Russia
interference Russia collusion narrative is insane. But you have to
if you're a Democrat, you have to.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Somebody can correct me on this if I'm wrong. I
think that Russia spent like one hundred and fifty k
on Facebook ads I think that's what she's referring to
when she says Russia deliberately interfered in the twenty sixteen election.
I think it was determined that Russia spent around one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars on Facebook ads. I can
(12:27):
tell you that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in
Facebook ads is nothing. We would run Facebook ads sometimes
for sports gambling ads. Sometimes we would run other like
subscriber based ads on Facebook. They are expensive, they are
you know, the audience that you would reach for one
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars is an absolute pen prick.
The idea that that would be able to still be
argued eight years later, and that there's nobody out there
immediately refuting and saying, listen, Kamala's one hundred and fifty
k is the whole Russia collusion lie is probably the
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City is floundering, crime is up, migrant crisis. Many people, white, Black, Asian,
and Hispanic who call Chicago home are fed up with
the decisions by their leaders. Brandon Johnson says, the problem
is Republicans. They're still mad slavery ended. Listen, what we've.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Seen is a very raggedy form instituted by right wing extremism.
Everyone knows that the right wing extremism in this country
has targeted democratically ran cities, and quite frankly, they've been
very intentional about going after democratically rand cities that are
led by people of color. It's the same Republican right
wing extremism that stormed the is the same right wing
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extremism that refuses to accept the results of the Civil War.
They're still mad that a black man is free in
this country. This is nothing new. But aren't you glad
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Speaker 2 (17:16):
What a what a preposterous distraction and deflection from what's
really going on, which is Chicago has a crime rate
that's appalling and that people just can we focus on
having a government in the city of Chicago that make
sure that fewer and fewer people are being shot. It's
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really not about history of racism or anything else. It's
just people don't want to get shot, and we don't
want people getting shot, and that's really what we're focused on.
And their policies. Unfortunately, Democrat policies are insufficient in this regard,
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Speaker 1 (19:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
roll through the Thursday edition of the program. One of
the great unforced errors I would argue of the Biden
administration is the way they've tried to sell the economy.
And Buck, We've talked about it's hard to sell as yes,
(19:25):
but there are lots of things that are really bad
they haven't tried to argue typically that Joe Biden has
been strong on crime, because everybody will respond and say, actually,
there's never been a time in many cities where in
the twenty first century more people felt that they.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Were likely to be a victim of crime.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
They wouldn't say, well, we've got peace around the world
because there's a war in Middle East and a war
in Europe. They wouldn't say, hey, we've got sanctity at
the southern border. And you would think they would have
tried to say, well, things are maybe not great, but
they're getting better. I thought buck that the Biden administration
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would say basically what Obama did, Hey, I took over
in a time of great difficulty in the economy, and
we have fixed things and while they're not totally fixed,
we are rapidly improving.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Because I wouldn't agree with that argument, but you could
see how it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Could be made. He took over in January of twenty
twenty one. COVID was still out there, there were a
lot of people not working, and he could argue the
great American comeback is underway. We're fixing things. Trump was
a disaster and we're fixing everything that.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
He got wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Instead Buck, they've come out and said Bidenomics is a
great success, and they keep arguing that this economy is
the responsibility of Joe Biden, which is unbelievable because I
would argue, of everything going on right now, the economy
is Biden's worst selling point right now for anything on
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twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Really, maybe you just I think border. I mean, in
terms of what will move the needle more, it's probably
the economy. But what's in a greater state of disrepair?
I mean, because even Democrats are now.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Worried the border is so but he's not saying this
border is great and we have like Biden border security, right,
but you.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Have no Choe. Well, I mean they kind to say that.
They say they're you know, surging resources, and they're you know,
working on comprehensive immigration reform. But with the economy, Yeah,
if you go out there, you're like, look, guys, truth
is the economy stinks and we're bad at managing it.
You're probably not going to help yourself. Now, that's not
a good argument to make this. Yes, that's not that's
not strong, But this isn't strong either. This is a
tweet from Joe Biden's official account on x Let me
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be clear, to any corporation that hasn't brought their prices
back down even as inflation has come down, it's time
to stop the price gouging. Give American consumers a break.
So here's the president of the United States telling businesses, look,
I'm up for reelection. Prices are too high. You need
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you to start taking a loss or else you're the
bad guy. Basically, because I honestly don't I don't believe,
and I don't say this to be funny. I don't
think this is an exaggeration. I don't think that Joe
Biden could pass a high school economics class, like I
don't think he could pass not even college econ one
oh one. I don't think he under the only jobs
he knows how to create or for Hunter, his son.
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And I think that there's going to be a lot
of the class warfare rhetoric that you see coming out
from Democrats. Basically, people have to pay their fair share.
A lot of the Obama stuff from back in the
day is going to make a comeback here, and they're
going to try to vilify Corporate America and Wall Street
as though those are strongholds of the right. Meanwhile, Apple
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and you know, Google and Facebook and you get these
are all left wing enclaves, and Wall Street donated overwhelmingly
to Hillary Clinton in the twenty sixteen election. Here we
are that we're gonna be told that corporate America and
rich people are the Republicans and the Democrats care about
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the Joe Biden's gonna pull all this working class stuff.
It's why the high prices you're paying, the cost of things.
People understand that that's happening to them. So the Democrats
and Joe Biden have to lie about why that's happening
to them. Who's maybe do you think it's gonna work?
That's such it's so hard to say.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I so I think they had. I think Bidenomics was
a huge own goal. I think it was a massive
unforced error by the Biden administration. And I don't understand
how they could be so tone death because I understand
when you're in the White House, you're in a bubble
of sorts, and certainly most people who work at high
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levels of Democrat politics, even though they claim to represent
working class people, I don't think they actually know or
notice when grocery store prices are up a lot. A
lot of these people don't have to worry about what
the price of gas is, or they don't have to
worry about what a Thanksgiving meal cost because they're dining
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out in fancy restaurants and they're living high on the hog.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean, that's the reality. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Nobody buy and large and a high position inside of
the Democrat Party, or to be fair, the Republican Party
is worried about whether or not they're going to be
able to pay their mortgage.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
This is not a political class at the upper echelons.
I'm not talking about twenty five year olds who are
busting their ass and are low level, which there are
a lot of in many different political parties. I'm talking
about the people who are actually in positions of power.
They're all very well off relative to what the average
American is. But I'm stunned by how poor the communication
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is that they are trying to say the economy is
actually really good because we're making it better and we're
dealing with the mess that Trump left. I think would
be a lie, but I think people might be willing
to accept.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It on some level.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think there's a lot of nostalgia for twenty nineteen
right now. I think a lot of people out there
look around and you've talked about how I used to
say this on your show, Buck before COVID hit officially
in March of twenty twenty. Let's go back to February
of twenty twenty. America had never been stronger. Everybody was
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making more money, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic. The rate of
employment was massive and the rate of unemployment was incredibly low.
Wage growth was outpacing inflation. You had two and a
half percent, three percent mortgage rates. Everybody was making more money.
That Trump economy was just starting to hum, and then
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COVID hit. And I think there are a lot of
people that don't blame Trump for COVID, and why would you.
You can't and now look back and say, boy Trump,
Actually they.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
May not like him.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
They may even think that they wouldn't want their daughter
to date them, they wouldn't want him necessarily to be
in their immediate family.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But they're like, guy kind of knew what he was doing.
And I think that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Trump nostalgia economy is actually really powerful, and so I
think Bidenomics is of all of the intentional decisions probably
the biggest unforced error that the Biden administration has made.
Leaving aside like the Afghanistan debacle and all those things,
I mean intentional messaging that they chose to put out there.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
The economy of five You think the economy of five
years ago is going to be the fulcrum on which
the election turns. I wish it were the case. I
don't know. Well, a tough stretch.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I think the challenge is what is the economy going
to be a year from now? Because people are going
to vote immediate pocketbook this year. That's gonna make that's
going to certainly matter. But I do think there is
nostalgia for the Trump economy. I think there's a nostalgia
right now for a pre COVID America. Well, remember with Democrats,
you always have to keep this in mind. There's what
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is happening, there's reality, and then there's perception. And how
this matters in the economy is okay. They can try
to massage, they can try.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
To do pr and propaganda about how good the economy is,
but ultimately people are going to make their own determinations
about how it affects them. The part where Democrats, unfortunately
have even more leeway to be dishonest and therefore to
assis themselves politically. Is who is responsible for whatever is
going on? Right? Who remember Barack Obama terrible economy his
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first term, But it was all George Bush's fault and
the Republicans and the fat cats on Wall Street and right,
that was the whole thing. So even if you didn't
like that economy, which people really didn't, it wasn't Obama's fault,
or it wasn't the Democrat's fault, and that was the
game that they played this time around. We'll have to see.
I mean, they may be trying to say, I mean
depends if they're running against Trump. You know they're going
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to be saying that everything that we look at in
terms of the numbers must be judged against twenty twenty COVID,
which is unfair and crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But that gets to the Okay, that's how they're going
to message it. Let me explain Trump nostalgia a little
bit better to buck when I say Trump nostalgia, assuming
that it's Trump Biden. We're going to be in an
incredibly unique election cycle in twenty twenty four where effectively
you have two incumbents. Right, Trump was the incumbent president.
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Now Biden is the incumbent president. I think that Americans
are going to compare their lives under each president in
a way that no presidential cycle in our life has
ever been, because you have effectively two incumbent presidents running
against each other.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So Trump can.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Say, hey, did you like the way life was pre
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We're we're gonna be talking a bit more about the
third hour as well. Here the the debate between Gavin
Newsom and uh and Ron DeSantis. But is there another
If you could see two people, you could just pick
two people on any topic of great importance to you
(31:46):
to have a debate. That would be you know, televised
in front of tens of millions of people would watch this,
so it would really be something that you know, you
guaranteed a lot of eyeballs on it. It could politics,
would be sports, to be anything you want. Who would
you want to see? Have it out right now? Oh man?
(32:06):
I mean that's for for example, I'll start because I'm
putting you on the spot. I would find it very
interesting to watch Elon Musk where Elon talk today, Elon
Musk debate the CEO of Google, for example. I would
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I would find that Sundhar Pachai. I would find that
really interesting because it would touch on so much stuff
about the Internet and censorship and everything else. I think
Elon Musk debating Mark Zuckerberg. I know that he says
that he wants to fight him, and he seems serious.
I don't know if you see this, he says like, yeah,
he wants to fight him, and given Elon's temperament, I
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wouldn't I wouldn't think that that's necessarily just ingest at all.
But I think Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk could be
I think I think Elon Musk and Bill Gates. Bill
Gates would never debate anybody. I think he's a coward,
but I think that would be a really interesting debate
that I would want to see.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I love all those I jotted down when you were
asking the question Elon Musk before I knew you wanted
Elon versus Bob Eiger, Disney CEO discussing the state of
media and the way that that that that should be held.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
If you had to put Tuck, you know, Tucker is
is formidable on on his feet and is a good
debater if you had to put it, do you think
you think? I mean, here's one I would I would
love to see a Tucker versus Joe Scarborough debate. I
think that would be really interesting on a whole bunch
of levels. Not that Joe Scarborough is some huge you know,
luminary for the for the for the Democrats. But uh,
(33:46):
you know, I think those two guys don't like each other,
and I think there'd be a lot of a lot
of fireworks. I think if you're looking for just the
highest level of that kind of debate, I think that
if you could ever get Rachel Matt Awen Tucker Carlson debate,
that would be interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You know, when you're asking this question, I think that
leftists in this country are so flabby because they don't
have to actually defend their ideas. I would love to
debate somebody on the left in the world of sports,
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like I've gone at it with Mark Cuban. I think
Mark Cuban having a debate with Mark Cuban would be
really illuminating him. Any Ways, now he's purportedly selling the
Dallas Mavericks. But I think sports is such a window
into the larger world. I'd love to see a lot
of people grilled. I'd love to see Joe Biden actually grilled,
(34:44):
like an hour long sit down. Joe Biden's never answered
the question like do you think that a guy pretending
to be a girl should be able to be a
women's champion?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Right there's so many. He would evade a lot, though,
you know how he is. Go come on, man, you know,
come on. Yeah, I get it. But but that's where
i'd like to see.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
You can evade in those White House press conferences, because
you can dodge and then you just move on to
another question. I would like to see somebody have to
sit for like an hour and really get grilled. Remember
we played, to his credit, the Pierce Morgan question of
the Labor Party guy Jeremy Corbin. I think it was
(35:22):
about Ishamasi terrorist organization, and he just hit him like
fifteen times, yes or no. I mean that's a relatively
easy question. You asked the question. Would Kamala Harris admit it?
I think we need more aggressive questioning of people in
positions of power, period, and that means and people have
heard of it on this show. I get offended when
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we ask a question and somebody won't answer. It has
happened with Mike Pence back when he was still running
for president. I think you have an obligation to answer questions, honestly,
not that I have to agree with it, but just
don't dodge it.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I love your idea.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, I think there's a desperate demand for actual disagreement,
conflict in a reasonable way, for real conversations. There just
aren't very many of those, and that's why I'm really
excited to watch the Gavin Newsom versus Ron DeSantis debate.
I give Sean Hannity credit for actually managing to put
this thing together and we get a real conflict of
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ideas between the two.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I hope that it leads to more of This is
what I'm thinking about, sort of ideas, and I'm not
thinking about this in terms of the presidential cycle. I
just want to see a good debate on important issues
for America. So I think that could be what we achieved,
and we'll talk more about it coming up.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
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it's the Reuters piece from six hours ago. Play here,
you get ready for this one. I know Vivek came
on yesterday, so convincing the veke and yet so wrong
on this issue. So convincing it gets so wrong. Maybe
that should be a tagline because he says that it's
going to be Gavin Newsome and it's not going to
(00:47):
be Joe Biden who's the president. Here's what the Reuter's
headline is, quote Democrats have no Biden backup plan for
twenty twenty four despite age. So they're laying out here
and this is what I've been saying. The Democrat Party
I'm quoting has no plan b if Joe Biden for
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any reason decides to halt his twenty twenty four reelection campaign,
and a sudden need to replace him as its standard
bearer for health issues would spark a messy intra party battle.
Despite weak poll numbers and questions, including from some Democrats
about his age, Biden has stuck to his plan to
seek a second term. Even if more Democrat candidates were
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jumping now, the path forward would be unclear, as deadlines
to get on the primary ballot in critical states including Nevada,
South Carolina, Georgia already passed. So if you're not on
the ballot in Nevada, South Carolina, and Georgia as a Democrat, well,
certainly Nevada and South Carolina, Nevada and Georgia well, for
the primary purposes, South Carolina matters too. You can't win,
(01:53):
is the point. You can't win, that's not going to happen, right,
So they have to figure out some other way. I'm
I'm hearing that there's still a lot of squabbling going
on behind closed doors in the Democrat Party, in the
high high levels about what to do here. But it
keeps coming back to there is no backup plan, Clay,
other than the Vice president. This is we have a
(02:18):
vice president in case of the need for someone to
step in, And this is a this is a common Now,
this is not an amuse. Sometimes Kamala moments are amusing
because you're, you know, you're just like, what is she saying?
Like this is this is such nonsense and she talks
in a circle and it makes But here you have her.
(02:39):
She's asked a pretty straightforward question dealing with Hamas and
uh and the Israel war in Gaza. Right now, this
has cut seven. Here's how she responds to, is Israel
following rules of war?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
This is critically important that humanitarian aid be given to
Gaza and that the rules of war be followed.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Do you think they're following them?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, that's a very broad question. There are many rules,
but I will say that they we are looking at
that at some point a discussion that can be.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
We're looking at We're having a discussion.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's a straightforward question, is Israel following the rules of war?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
What I would really want to know is you know
how she'd respond to is hamas a terrorist entity that
is violating rules of war? Because you can tell she
doesn't want to upset Clay. The far left of the
party because she was on the ticket. She is the
vice president because of identity politics, because of racial politics
in America today. Biden was very clear about why he
(03:43):
made the picks that he has made, including for vice president,
and she doesn't want to upset the Hamas, you know,
the Hamas delegation in America, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Speaking of who could be the candidate to take the
hoist the batar, to hoist the flag of the Democrat Party,
hopefully from his perspective, not get hoisted on the patard
to the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Do you know what Gavin Newsom said yesterday? Did you
see this on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Last night?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I'm reading from Yeshar Ali last night, the Oakland City
Council this a couple of days ago now voted on
a resolution to call for a ceasefire. A city council
member tried to insert this is Oakland language, condemning Hamas
into that call for a ceasefire, and there was immediate
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bedlam in Oakland over the idea that you could condemn.
Gavin Newsom responded, linked this clip and said Hamas is
a terrorist organization.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
They must be called out for what they are. Evil.
Would Kamala Harris say that, no, right, not think she would.
I do not she would, I think I think she would.
She would head, she would prevaricate, she would you know,
she would do uh.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
She would equivocate, she would tap dance, she would avoid
trying to because because again, this is that conflict that
the identity politics coalition of the Democrat Party has. You
can't be pro Israel and simultaneously pro palacetaring.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Now, now, the the only reason we're even talking about,
we're even having a discussion about this issue really is
because of the right. If if Harris were a standout
political figure on the left and Democrats felt strongly about her,
it's they it's so clear, right, so clear, what would happen.
(05:44):
It's time for Biden to pass the torch. Kamala runs,
first female vice president, first black female vice I'm sorry,
first female president, first black female president, and you know,
the narrative is all there. They have very low faith
in her because of the numbers. So she was asked
about this is cut nine. She was asked about the
numbers as well. This is at the New York Times
(06:05):
Deal Book summit, right, the same thing that Elon spoke at. Yeah,
I mean Elon's soundbites were better, so Clay got to
do the fun soundbites. I'm doing the Kamala soundbites. Yes
here it is here. When she's asked about her numbers,
guess what she blames for her low numbers.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Blame your own popularity.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Sure, you've seen the polls.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Also, your ratings thirty eight point five percent, Biden's forty
point four percent, and Trump is higher. Ron Klain says this,
And you've seen press about yourself over the years.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
He says that he believes that.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Your popularity or unpopularity, or whatever rating you want to
put it as, is a function of sexism and racism.
He says that's part of the problem. He says, she
doesn't get the credit for all that she's done.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Do you think that's true?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, are we talking about the media? Are people as
it relates to the media. I'm sure some of that
is true.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Sex and racism isn't Isn't it fascinating that for Democrats
the diversity is a strength and they elevate people because
of diversity and because that's so important and so much better.
But then they'll also tell us, well, the reason they're
not and remember, Comma's not popular among Democrats, to be clear,
So this whole notion that it's sexism and racism, she's
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saying that Democrats are sexist and racists. Put aside that
Republicans even enter into this issue. It's just weak. It's
just not going to work. As the explanation.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Two things on this one to get your job because
you are a black woman and be a heartbeat away
from the presidency and then blame people not liking you
because you're a black woman is next the level gas
lighting Part one, part two, and this is building on
(07:53):
what you just said, buck Kamala Harris dropped out of
the Democrat primary before a single vote was taken, pulling
at around one or two percent. Was the Democrat primary
electorate racist and sexist because they didn't embrace her campaign?
Or is she not a very good communicator, not particularly likable,
(08:17):
and also bereft of success from a political perspective that
you could point to and say, oh, she's been really
accomplished in a high level of office.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I think it's probably the latter.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And this is why, Bucket, you ask how this process
is going to play out. I thought I've been wrong
on this so far because I thought around a month ago,
Joe Biden would have come out and said, hey, I'm
too old. Effectively, I feel like I have done the
(08:53):
best job that I can given my age. It's time
for a new generation of Democrats to take over and
let there be a primary because Kamala.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Is so bad.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
If Kamala were actually doing a good job and was
well liked, and here's a question for all of you
out there, who was the last vice president to be
really well liked in office? Joe Biden wasn't hated when
he was Barack Obama's VP. Now he was overlooked. Dick
Cheney was way less popular than George W.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Bush.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Al Gore was quite popular, although he ran and lost.
Dan Quayle got raked over the coals, absolutely obliterated. If
Kamala were as popular, here's a question for you, Buck
if AOC, and I think age was a reason she
wouldn't be in the mix. If AOC were Joe Biden's
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vice president right now, they would be using her as
the standard bear she would. I think that they would
look at AOC even though she's got all sorts of
issues and she just said she's gonna leave Twitter because
Elon Oscar saying such hateful things. I think the base
likes AOC enough that they would say it's time for
Joe Biden to step down. Remember you and me, if
(10:09):
we had been doing this show in January of twenty twenty,
we took over in June of June of twenty twenty one.
If we've been doing it in January of twenty twenty one,
I think we would have had complete agreement that all
Joe Biden was was a bridge to Kamala Harris, and
that was the intent. Joe Biden is very unpopular as
a VP. As a president, somehow is VP is even
(10:32):
more unpopular. Democrats haven't been able to execute their plan
as a result. But I think the coup is going
to happen at the DNC now. I think Biden's gonna
announce he's not going to run, and I think all
those DNC super delegates are going to get to select
the next nominee.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Can I can I just throw out there that this
is the only option now other than Kamala Harris takes
over or it's Biden.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yes, so, and I've said for the get go Buck,
there's no way it's Kamala. They're trying to do whatever
they can to avoid Kamala being the nominee because she's
worse than Biden in terms of likelihood of winning.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But this is why Biden's still the guy. This is
why we come back to it. And just one more
thing here Kamala in the same interview, also, you know
how we're supposed to be so upset about anybody who
denies elections or undermines the sanctity of our elections. Here
is Kamala Harris on Russian interference in the twenty sixteen
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Trump victorious election. Place.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Russia interfered in the twenty sixteen election, targeting specific groups
of Americans with dison misinformation with an intention to undermine
the American people's confidence in our institutions.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, Twitter interfered in the twenty twenty election at the
behest of Democrats. So you know, put this aside, the
fact that she's still clinging to the Russia. Basically, Russia
interference Russia collusion narrative is insane. But you have to
if you're a Democrat, you have to.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Somebody can correct me on this if I'm wrong. I
think that Russia spent like one hundred and fifty k
on Facebook ads I think that's what she's referring to
when she says Russia deliberately interfered in the twenty sixteen election.
I think it was determined that Russia spent around one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars on Facebook ads. I can
(12:27):
tell you that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in
Facebook ads is nothing. We would run Facebook ads sometimes
for sports gambling ads. Sometimes we would run other like
subscriber based ads on Facebook. They are expensive, they are
you know, the audience that you would reach for one
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars is an absolute pen prick.
The idea that that would be able to still be
argued eight years later, and that there's nobody out there
immediately refuting and saying, listen, Kamala's one hundred and fifty
k is the whole Russia collusion lie is probably the
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Of these blue cities are falling apart Chicago, New York City, La,
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elected its first Republican mayor since reconstruction. So that's at
(15:53):
least a positive, I believe for people who are listening
to us in Charleston. I don't think we mentioned that,
and certainly it's Alice has had a mayor flip to
become a Republican and we need to get him on
still at some point. But Brandon Johnson, who is the
mayor of Chicago, followed Loriy Lightfoot. Lory Lightfoot was an
(16:15):
unmitigated disaster. Somehow Chicago may have made a worst decision.
City is floundering, crime is up, migrant crisis. Many people, white, Black, Asian,
and Hispanic who call Chicago home are fed up with
the decisions by their leaders. Brandon Johnson says, the problem
is Republicans. They're still mad slavery ended. Listen, what we've.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Seen is a very raggedy form instituted by right wing extremism.
Everyone knows that the right wing extremism in this country
has targeted democratically ran cities, and quite frankly, they've been
very intentional about going after democratically rand cities that are
led by people of color. It's the same Republican right
wing extremism that stormed the is the same right wing
(17:01):
extremism that refuses to accept the results of the Civil War.
They're still mad that a black man is free in
this country. This is nothing new. But aren't you glad
that the soul of Chicago won't be broken. And those
are the words of a thing, Beyonce, you won't break
our soul.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What a what a preposterous distraction and deflection from what's
really going on, which is Chicago has a crime rate
that's appalling and that people just can we focus on
having a government in the city of Chicago that make
sure that fewer and fewer people are being shot. It's
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really not about history of racism or anything else. It's
just people don't want to get shot, and we don't
want people getting shot, and that's really what we're focused on.
And their policies. Unfortunately, Democrat policies are insufficient in this regard,
So you know, crime racism is pathetic in this circumstances. Look,
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Speaker 1 (19:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
roll through the Thursday edition of the program. One of
the great unforced errors I would argue of the Biden
administration is the way they've tried to sell the economy.
And Buck, We've talked about it's hard to sell as yes,
(19:25):
but there are lots of things that are really bad
they haven't tried to argue typically that Joe Biden has
been strong on crime, because everybody will respond and say, actually,
there's never been a time in many cities where in
the twenty first century more people felt that they.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Were likely to be a victim of crime.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
They wouldn't say, well, we've got peace around the world
because there's a war in Middle East and a war
in Europe. They wouldn't say, hey, we've got sanctity at
the southern border. And you would think they would have
tried to say, well, things are maybe not great, but
they're getting better. I thought buck that the Biden administration
(20:06):
would say basically what Obama did, Hey, I took over
in a time of great difficulty in the economy, and
we have fixed things and while they're not totally fixed,
we are rapidly improving.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Because I wouldn't agree with that argument, but you could
see how it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Could be made. He took over in January of twenty
twenty one. COVID was still out there, there were a
lot of people not working, and he could argue the
great American comeback is underway. We're fixing things. Trump was
a disaster and we're fixing everything that.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
He got wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Instead Buck, they've come out and said Bidenomics is a
great success, and they keep arguing that this economy is
the responsibility of Joe Biden, which is unbelievable because I
would argue, of everything going on right now, the economy
is Biden's worst selling point right now for anything on
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twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Really, maybe you just I think border. I mean, in
terms of what will move the needle more, it's probably
the economy. But what's in a greater state of disrepair?
I mean, because even Democrats are now.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Worried the border is so but he's not saying this
border is great and we have like Biden border security, right,
but you.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Have no Choe. Well, I mean they kind to say that.
They say they're you know, surging resources, and they're you know,
working on comprehensive immigration reform. But with the economy, Yeah,
if you go out there, you're like, look, guys, truth
is the economy stinks and we're bad at managing it.
You're probably not going to help yourself. Now, that's not
a good argument to make this. Yes, that's not that's
not strong, But this isn't strong either. This is a
tweet from Joe Biden's official account on x Let me
(21:49):
be clear, to any corporation that hasn't brought their prices
back down even as inflation has come down, it's time
to stop the price gouging. Give American consumers a break.
So here's the president of the United States telling businesses, look,
I'm up for reelection. Prices are too high. You need
(22:10):
you to start taking a loss or else you're the
bad guy. Basically, because I honestly don't I don't believe,
and I don't say this to be funny. I don't
think this is an exaggeration. I don't think that Joe
Biden could pass a high school economics class, like I
don't think he could pass not even college econ one
oh one. I don't think he under the only jobs
he knows how to create or for Hunter, his son.
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And I think that there's going to be a lot
of the class warfare rhetoric that you see coming out
from Democrats. Basically, people have to pay their fair share.
A lot of the Obama stuff from back in the
day is going to make a comeback here, and they're
going to try to vilify Corporate America and Wall Street
as though those are strongholds of the right. Meanwhile, Apple
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and you know, Google and Facebook and you get these
are all left wing enclaves, and Wall Street donated overwhelmingly
to Hillary Clinton in the twenty sixteen election. Here we
are that we're gonna be told that corporate America and
rich people are the Republicans and the Democrats care about
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the Joe Biden's gonna pull all this working class stuff.
It's why the high prices you're paying, the cost of things.
People understand that that's happening to them. So the Democrats
and Joe Biden have to lie about why that's happening
to them. Who's maybe do you think it's gonna work?
That's such it's so hard to say.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I so I think they had. I think Bidenomics was
a huge own goal. I think it was a massive
unforced error by the Biden administration. And I don't understand
how they could be so tone death because I understand
when you're in the White House, you're in a bubble
of sorts, and certainly most people who work at high
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levels of Democrat politics, even though they claim to represent
working class people, I don't think they actually know or
notice when grocery store prices are up a lot. A
lot of these people don't have to worry about what
the price of gas is, or they don't have to
worry about what a Thanksgiving meal cost because they're dining
(24:25):
out in fancy restaurants and they're living high on the hog.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean, that's the reality. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Nobody buy and large and a high position inside of
the Democrat Party, or to be fair, the Republican Party
is worried about whether or not they're going to be
able to pay their mortgage.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
This is not a political class at the upper echelons.
I'm not talking about twenty five year olds who are
busting their ass and are low level, which there are
a lot of in many different political parties. I'm talking
about the people who are actually in positions of power.
They're all very well off relative to what the average
American is. But I'm stunned by how poor the communication
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is that they are trying to say the economy is
actually really good because we're making it better and we're
dealing with the mess that Trump left. I think would
be a lie, but I think people might be willing
to accept.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It on some level.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think there's a lot of nostalgia for twenty nineteen
right now. I think a lot of people out there
look around and you've talked about how I used to
say this on your show, Buck before COVID hit officially
in March of twenty twenty. Let's go back to February
of twenty twenty. America had never been stronger. Everybody was
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making more money, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic. The rate of
employment was massive and the rate of unemployment was incredibly low.
Wage growth was outpacing inflation. You had two and a
half percent, three percent mortgage rates. Everybody was making more money.
That Trump economy was just starting to hum, and then
(26:09):
COVID hit. And I think there are a lot of
people that don't blame Trump for COVID, and why would you.
You can't and now look back and say, boy Trump,
Actually they.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
May not like him.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
They may even think that they wouldn't want their daughter
to date them, they wouldn't want him necessarily to be
in their immediate family.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But they're like, guy kind of knew what he was doing.
And I think that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Trump nostalgia economy is actually really powerful, and so I
think Bidenomics is of all of the intentional decisions probably
the biggest unforced error that the Biden administration has made.
Leaving aside like the Afghanistan debacle and all those things,
I mean intentional messaging that they chose to put out there.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
The economy of five You think the economy of five
years ago is going to be the fulcrum on which
the election turns. I wish it were the case. I
don't know. Well, a tough stretch.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I think the challenge is what is the economy going
to be a year from now? Because people are going
to vote immediate pocketbook this year. That's gonna make that's
going to certainly matter. But I do think there is
nostalgia for the Trump economy. I think there's a nostalgia
right now for a pre COVID America. Well, remember with Democrats,
you always have to keep this in mind. There's what
(27:34):
is happening, there's reality, and then there's perception. And how
this matters in the economy is okay. They can try
to massage, they can try.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
To do pr and propaganda about how good the economy is,
but ultimately people are going to make their own determinations
about how it affects them. The part where Democrats, unfortunately
have even more leeway to be dishonest and therefore to
assis themselves politically. Is who is responsible for whatever is
going on? Right? Who remember Barack Obama terrible economy his
(28:09):
first term, But it was all George Bush's fault and
the Republicans and the fat cats on Wall Street and right,
that was the whole thing. So even if you didn't
like that economy, which people really didn't, it wasn't Obama's fault,
or it wasn't the Democrat's fault, and that was the
game that they played this time around. We'll have to see.
I mean, they may be trying to say, I mean
depends if they're running against Trump. You know they're going
(28:30):
to be saying that everything that we look at in
terms of the numbers must be judged against twenty twenty COVID,
which is unfair and crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But that gets to the Okay, that's how they're going
to message it. Let me explain Trump nostalgia a little
bit better to buck when I say Trump nostalgia, assuming
that it's Trump Biden. We're going to be in an
incredibly unique election cycle in twenty twenty four where effectively
you have two incumbents. Right, Trump was the incumbent president.
(29:01):
Now Biden is the incumbent president. I think that Americans
are going to compare their lives under each president in
a way that no presidential cycle in our life has
ever been, because you have effectively two incumbent presidents running
against each other.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So Trump can.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Say, hey, did you like the way life was pre
COVID in my tournament office? And I think nostalgically people
may well say yes, compared to the current incumbency of Biden.
Usually you've got the incumbent president and you've got somebody
else saying I'll do better than him, but it's an
(29:43):
unknown because that person's never been president before. Here you
have four tangible years of a Trump presidency to compare
against four tangible years of a Biden presidency. And I
do think there could be a nostalgia factor as people
try to assess their relative life status in a way
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Welcome back to here to play and buck you know play.
We're we're gonna be talking a bit more about the
third hour as well. Here the the debate between Gavin
Newsom and uh and Ron DeSantis. But is there another
If you could see two people, you could just pick
two people on any topic of great importance to you
(31:46):
to have a debate. That would be you know, televised
in front of tens of millions of people would watch this,
so it would really be something that you know, you
guaranteed a lot of eyeballs on it. It could politics,
would be sports, to be anything you want. Who would
you want to see? Have it out right now? Oh man?
(32:06):
I mean that's for for example, I'll start because I'm
putting you on the spot. I would find it very
interesting to watch Elon Musk where Elon talk today, Elon
Musk debate the CEO of Google, for example. I would
(32:27):
I would find that Sundhar Pachai. I would find that
really interesting because it would touch on so much stuff
about the Internet and censorship and everything else. I think
Elon Musk debating Mark Zuckerberg. I know that he says
that he wants to fight him, and he seems serious.
I don't know if you see this, he says like, yeah,
he wants to fight him, and given Elon's temperament, I
(32:51):
wouldn't I wouldn't think that that's necessarily just ingest at all.
But I think Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk could be
I think I think Elon Musk and Bill Gates. Bill
Gates would never debate anybody. I think he's a coward,
but I think that would be a really interesting debate
that I would want to see.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I love all those I jotted down when you were
asking the question Elon Musk before I knew you wanted
Elon versus Bob Eiger, Disney CEO discussing the state of
media and the way that that that that should be held.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
If you had to put Tuck, you know, Tucker is
is formidable on on his feet and is a good
debater if you had to put it, do you think
you think? I mean, here's one I would I would
love to see a Tucker versus Joe Scarborough debate. I
think that would be really interesting on a whole bunch
of levels. Not that Joe Scarborough is some huge you know,
luminary for the for the for the Democrats. But uh,
(33:46):
you know, I think those two guys don't like each other,
and I think there'd be a lot of a lot
of fireworks. I think if you're looking for just the
highest level of that kind of debate, I think that
if you could ever get Rachel Matt Awen Tucker Carlson debate,
that would be interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You know, when you're asking this question, I think that
leftists in this country are so flabby because they don't
have to actually defend their ideas. I would love to
debate somebody on the left in the world of sports,
(34:21):
like I've gone at it with Mark Cuban. I think
Mark Cuban having a debate with Mark Cuban would be
really illuminating him. Any Ways, now he's purportedly selling the
Dallas Mavericks. But I think sports is such a window
into the larger world. I'd love to see a lot
of people grilled. I'd love to see Joe Biden actually grilled,
(34:44):
like an hour long sit down. Joe Biden's never answered
the question like do you think that a guy pretending
to be a girl should be able to be a
women's champion?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Right there's so many. He would evade a lot, though,
you know how he is. Go come on, man, you know,
come on. Yeah, I get it. But but that's where
i'd like to see.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
You can evade in those White House press conferences, because
you can dodge and then you just move on to
another question. I would like to see somebody have to
sit for like an hour and really get grilled. Remember
we played, to his credit, the Pierce Morgan question of
the Labor Party guy Jeremy Corbin. I think it was
(35:22):
about Ishamasi terrorist organization, and he just hit him like
fifteen times, yes or no. I mean that's a relatively
easy question. You asked the question. Would Kamala Harris admit it?
I think we need more aggressive questioning of people in
positions of power, period, and that means and people have
heard of it on this show. I get offended when
(35:44):
we ask a question and somebody won't answer. It has
happened with Mike Pence back when he was still running
for president. I think you have an obligation to answer questions, honestly,
not that I have to agree with it, but just
don't dodge it.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I love your idea.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, I think there's a desperate demand for actual disagreement,
conflict in a reasonable way, for real conversations. There just
aren't very many of those, and that's why I'm really
excited to watch the Gavin Newsom versus Ron DeSantis debate.
I give Sean Hannity credit for actually managing to put
this thing together and we get a real conflict of
(36:23):
ideas between the two.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I hope that it leads to more of This is
what I'm thinking about, sort of ideas, and I'm not
thinking about this in terms of the presidential cycle. I
just want to see a good debate on important issues
for America. So I think that could be what we achieved,
and we'll talk more about it coming up.
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