October 3, 2023 • 36 mins
Border patrol reports 230,000 illegal alien crossings in September, an all-time high. Illegals represent 25% of patients in NYC hospital system. Rep. Matt Gaetz makes motion to vacate Kevin McCarthy's speakership, Dems look likely not to bail out McCarthy. Could McCarthy coup end up electing a Democrat speaker? Caller on Trump's absurd civil fraud trial.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off
in this moment. Thanks for being here with us. And
we told you we'd dive in immigration.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We're going to do that right now.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So the number is stunning, but I have to say
not surprising. Border patrol putting out that in the last month,
September of twenty twenty three, last month for which we
have data, you have an all time how they call
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them encounters. Understand that every encounter is actually the act
of an illegal crossing. We have border crossings, we have footbridge,
we have roads, we have ways to get into the
country legally.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
People are just coming across the border.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And the number which is a violation of federal law,
and the number of people who did so in September
is an all time high of two hundred and thirty thousand.
Two hundred and thirty thousand people crossed into the US
last month alone.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
This is stunning.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Remember you're adding that to the call it six million
who have already entered the country in three years of
Biden's first of Biden's term, Let's hope just term one
three years, about six million, two hundred and thirty thousand
last month. To put this into perspective, everybody, the official number,
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and they used to base this off of census data,
has been roughly eleven million illegals certainly for the last decade.
Now that number I always thought was low, and I've
actually Clay had the experience of asking members, longtime members
of Border Patrol, what do you guys think about that
eleven point something million number? And they all laugh and
(01:57):
they're like, it's you know, double that at least at
least because they just say, look what we're seeing every day.
Do the math yourselves. There's not some mass self deportation
that is going that is going on. So when we
start to compile the data, looking at the numbers, you
will have had a almost fifty percent increase in the
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official number of illegals in the country over decades, occurring
in three years of Biden. So it took us, let's say,
from the early nineties to twenty ten, it took us
that period of time to get to about eleven or
twelve million, and we will have added six or seven
million in three years of Biden. Okay, So this is
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a pace that we've never seen before, and it's completely
out of control. Now what does it look like?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Clay?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right, So there's the aggregate number, and then there's the
how does this play out in terms of the impact
on cities? And this is why it used to be, well,
we don't know, and you know, migrants, maybe they're just
doing the jobs Americans won't do. And there are all
these things they used to say, Oh, it's fine, there's
no drain on resources. Here's an example of what you're
talking of what we're dealing with. Play in New York
(03:08):
City right now, this is a this is cut I
think twenty five, twenty three, something like that. The number
of patients have you seen this? Oh, you already know
the number is going to ask you to guess.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I saw the headline, so I but I would. I would.
This is extraordinary and in a bad way.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So the number of people in the New York City
hospital system that the percentage of people who are illegals
is twenty five percent right now?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
The border crisis surging officials telling NBC News there were
over two hundred thousand illegal crossings at the southern border
last month and a record three million migrants across the
border in the last year. Now a new warning one
thousand miles away in New.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
York City, where officials tell us resources are overwhelmed. Across
public hospitals in New York City, a quarter the patients
are now migrants. Over the last year, nearly thirty thousand
visits by migrants and three hundred new babies born to
migrant moms.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Clay, thirty thousand hospital visits yeah, this year by these migrants,
thirty thousand. Twenty five percent of people in the hospital
system are migrants, you know, And I'm sorry, I've had
this experience before in New York City of having to
go to the emergency room and you know, really really
(04:31):
need to get some help, and you sit there an hour,
two hours, six hours, ten hours, and people say, well,
what's going on. This is a part of it, This
is part of what's driving and certainly more now, more
than ever, it's outrageous, and the ruling class has no
answers here, Clay, other than to lie.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, and this is also interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I'm sure you saw Mayor Eric Adams, I think we
mentioned this on the show yesterday, is now going to
travel to Mexico and points further south. Telling everybody don't
come to New York City. How is that going to
work when you just had the Biden administration tell everybody
from Venezuela who was here before July thirty first, Hey
(05:16):
you can now go get jobs. And I mean he's
traveling to at least he's trying. Kamala Harris a few
years ago actually went down after she got humiliated in
that interview where where NBC Lester Holtz. I think it
was right who called her out and pointed out that
she really hadn't done anything as the borders are Biden
(05:37):
to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong. Buck has
been to the border once in like the last fifteen years,
and that was for a short and I'll passo if
I remember correctly, like kind of walk along the border.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
He didn't do anything of any substantial import.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
He hasn't traveled to Latin America and tried to solve
this issue. Kamala Harris hasn't been there in a long time.
Mack Adams is at least going down and actually making
a trip all the way, I believe, from Mexico City
down to the Darien Gap to see it for himself
and get media attention. And tell people not to come.
But all that's going to do, I think is further
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encourage people to go, because now they're going to say, oh,
the mayor of New York City is down here. Telling
people not to come is not going to work. You
have to eliminate the incentive structure. Jobs and and birthright
citizenship are the two incentive structures that encourage people to
come north.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And as long as those both exist, people are going
to keep coming.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So two hundred and thirty thousand illegals enter last month, Clay,
I will make a guess because it's a little specific here,
but Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, according to this is a
pull this up on the Wall Street Journal. They have
these stats. Immigration and custom Enforcement in twenty twenty two
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deported seventy two thousand people. So in one month, now,
that was twenty twenty two. I know we're in twenty
twenty three, but let's just give it a sense. In
the entire fiscal year twenty twenty two, they deported a
grand total from the entire country, and that includes you know,
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people that are violent criminals and felons and gang members
and everything else. They deported one third the number of
illegals we just got last month. So if anyone wants
to know, like what's really going on here, this is
a total abdication of our sovereignty, a total refusal to
enforce the rule of law at the border. And I
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think the Democrats are are stuck play because you know,
their base doesn't actually want this to stop. That's the
part of it that's so you know, so insane.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, it's a lot like crime.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
People make decisions that make them feel better so long
as they aren't impacted by it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And this is what's good.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I mean, I see a completely as connected because we've
created a world where you say one thing, because it's
the right opinion to have, Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
We should have the open borders.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
We should limit the amount of time that we're trying
to put people behind bars, because you have private security,
for instance, you have a gate, you have very reliable police.
In the richest communities in America, they didn't defund police,
they went and hired more. When guys decided they didn't
want to work in violent crime areas, they moved to
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low crime areas, got good jobs and good pensions and
good opportunities for them and their family, and so they
can live behind in their gated community with their private
security guards and their ample police forces, and say oh,
let's defund the police, knowing that it's not going to
impact them. And simultaneously, Buck, they can say, oh, we
should have open borders because in the grand scheme of things,
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it doesn't really change their life. Maybe maybe you get
a little bit cheaper groundskeeper for your mansion.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
I mean, this is the way that they are thinking.
It's a and this is my big concern in America today, Buck,
and we were talking about this off air. We have
created a consequence free American life, by which I mean
anyone who ever said defund the police is not smart
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enough to be able to, in my opinion, hold the
elective office. And there should be consequences anyone who said, hey,
let's go take the rims off basketball hoops and keep
kids from being able to play basketball outside during COVID,
they should not be able to continue to represent people. Instead,
people aren't looking at results, They're just looking at what
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team you're on. And as a result, there are no
consequences for clearly failed public policy. And that's going on
at the border, that's going on with crime, that happened
with COVID. We live in a consequence free universe, and
that's why I've used this analogy. Buck, your high school
football coach is held to a higher standard of behavior
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than the governor of Michigan is or the governor of
California because they're Democrats and what they actually do doesn't
matter because they're on the right tribe.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
That should be scary to everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And what we've seen and we started to get in
this conversation at the end of the last hour on crime,
it's true about immigration as well, is I think that
there was a There are always two components of this.
There are the true believers who think that we can
change the rules or we can do these things and
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it's not going to have the negative impact. So crime
won't get worse, illegal immigration won't get worse. We can
change the rules and it won't turn into the debacles
that we see on those two issues. I think there
are also people, though, who are a different kind of
true believer, who lie to everybody about what their true
intentions are with this. And that's what I was getting
at with some of the Soros prosecutors and their view
(11:02):
of things. They think that whether it's on the issue
of crime or the issue of immigration. The rules that
we have are actually a problem. The system itself is
a problem. It's not like, oh, we're trying to get
to the same place of low crime and a secure border.
It's just different pathways. There are true believers on the
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left who think that we should be an open borders state,
an open borders country, and clay that we should abolish prisons.
The true leftist social justice reformers believe in and they
use the word very intentionally abolition of police and abolition
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of prisons. And that is insane, I know, but you
will find it. You will hear people talking about it.
That is what the true leftists think in this police
reform movement. So they bring other people along by saying,
come on, guys, let's just change this a little bit.
Nothing bad is really going to happen. I mean, it's fine,
It's all gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
What we see is the results happening on immigration. It
couldn't be any more clear. And I go back and forth.
They either convinced themselves it doesn't affect them to your point,
or they're just too stubborn and too narcissistic to admit
that they were wrong, which I think is a big
part of, for example, what happened on COVID. But that's
(12:22):
where we are now. They won't admit that they've gotten
this thing completely wrong or this is what they wanted
all along.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Well, and also Buck, this is the frustrating thing. Wh's
just a big circle, right, I mean, somebody could make
this circle, and we've gone through it before because people
finally got fed up in the late eighties and early
nineties with surging violent crime, and so they said, we're
going to put the criminals in prison, and so crime
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rights go down.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
New York City, where you grew up, is a perfect
example of this. Right.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
People got so fed up with the lack of safety
and security in New York City that they elected a
law and order mayor who plate positions and policies and
protocols in place that led to much safer streets. And
then what happens, big circle. Much safer streets lead to
the luxury of being concerned that being tough on crimes
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is racist. So you're saying that, oh it's racist to
be tough on crime. Then you can put people back
on the streets. Crime starts to go back up, and
you go right back into the circle again where you
say we got to put criminals back behind bars. It's
all so easily and predictably clear what is going to happen.
But it's like the late eighties and the early nineties
didn't happen, so we're back on the same cycle all
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over again.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I remember when there were people who were hitting Joe
Biden for the nineties crime bill when he was running
in twenty twenty from the right. If a lot of
us are sitting around saying no, no, no, guys, that was
actually good the.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
One thing Joe Bidens might have gotten right in his career,
but the circle has so worked around where he had
to repudiate that because now it's considered to be racist.
And I just think the ultimate close out of all
that argument is just watch the minds explode when you say, yeah,
you know, systemic racism may be a thing when it's policing,
but what I'm really focused on is systemic sexism, because
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women should be getting arrested way more for violent crimes
than they are, I mean ninety five percent. And just
make that argument like kind of deadpan, and just see,
like you can start to see their brains explode. Because
police arrest criminals and women are far less violent than
men are, and so, but nobody says, oh, it's systemic
sexism that ninety five percent or higher of the people
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arrested for violent crimes are men. We all understand men
commit far more violent crimes.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It's it's a good argument. Eight h two two eight
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton now voices of Sanity an
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Speaker 5 (15:46):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Update on
the drama that is playing out on the House floor.
We told you we would update you as more of
those details became clear. There is a motion basically to
end McCarthy's run as Speaker of the House that has
(16:06):
been put forward by Congressman Mac Gates of Florida Democrats.
People were unsure how Democrats were going to vote on this.
It now based on the headlines here, it appears that
all Democrats are going to vote against Kevin McCarthy continuing
as speaker.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That means, and.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
It appears there are at least five Republicans who are
going to vote against him too. It means that Kevin
McCarthy's speakership may be done. Here's my concern, Buck, it
doesn't seem like there's any plan in place. At all
to replace McCarthy or bring all Republicans together behind any candidate.
My concern becomes, and I'll just float this out there,
(16:49):
that Republicans could screw this up to the point where
eventually some Republicans end up siding with potentially a Democrat
moderate speak. I just I don't know how this is
going to play out, and it feels like a huge
distraction and a huge mess at a time when Democrats
have got a lot of things going badly, and now
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Republicans are going to turn the story into Republican circus.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I enjoy that in this moment we have a little reversal.
I get to be the optimist in that I think
Republicans are incompetent in Congress play. But I don't think
they're that incompetent. But I wouldn't make a stake bet
on it. But I am hopeful that what you were
saying will not I mean, because going into election, can
you imagine what does it do to people's psychology on
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the right if we have a majority in the House
and somehow you ended up with a Democrat Speaker of
the House. They they will avoid this, they will avoid this.
They have to avoid this. Like it can't be that.
Oh gosh, they can't be that incompetent. I don't feel
like there's a plan. And when there's no plan, it
makes me nervous. Buck with all that's going on in
(17:59):
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Speaker 4 (18:55):
Why do it's it?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I mean the idea of it's you.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Well, why not? You know?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay, I think Matt has planned this all along. It
didn't matter what we transpired, you know, he would have
done it the year and shut down or not. I
firmly believe it's the right decision.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
To keep government open, to make sure our military is
still paid, our border agents are still paid.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And if that makes a challenge.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Based upon whether I should be speaker, I'll take that fight. Yeah,
calling his bluff. That was Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy.
And there's reporting right now that there could be as
many as seven seven Republicans who may go. Now, this
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is all may and by the time people are listening tonight,
maybe on the podcast, literally'll know this. But we're doing
the show live, as you know, they made defect from
McCarthy and he could be removed as Speaker of the House.
Clay before we dive into Matt Gates is leading this charge.
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I remember Gates was a holdout if if memory serves correctly,
Gates was a holdout against McCarthy back when McCarthy was
up for the Speaker's gabble the first time around, What
is pushing this? Why is this happening? Here is Matt
Gates saying that there's a secret side deal on Ukraine
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and play clip eleven.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
What was the secret side deal on Ukraine? House Democrats
and President Biden have said that as Speaker McCarthy was
asking Republicans to vote for a continuing resolution so as
to avoid having to take the Senates plus up in
Ukraine money, that the Speaker of the House was actually
cutting a side deal to bring Ukraine legislation to this
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floor with President Biden and House Democrats. So mister speaker,
just tell us, just tell us what was in the
secret Ukraine side deal?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Clay, Oh, this looks like it is going to be
a showdown that happens today. And here is the fundamental problem. Actually,
Kevin McCarthy said, let's play one more and then you can.
Here's Kevin McCarthy saying, here's the problem with voting this.
The current speaker out, who's going to be the speaker next?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Play ten?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That doesn't have anybody Matt's focuses try to just remove me,
which is difficult in the place of where we have
forty five more days to be able to fund government
to be able to secure our borders, eliminate the wasteful spinning. Okay,
what happens if they're successful in this speaker coup?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Here's my concern, Buck One, this whole fight distracts from
what is really Democrat failures on so many different fronts
because it's internescent civil war inside the Republican Party. That's
one second part here. My concern is, how do you
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end up with a new speaker. Anger is not a strategy.
Anger is an emotion. It's enjoyable sometimes when you're angry,
if you feel like you have been ill treated that
there need to be consequences.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
But at some point there has to be a plan.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I've not heard anybody else, I mean, correct me if
I'm wrong, Buck speak of the second in charge, Steve
Scalise is dealing with severe cancer treatment, right, I mean,
he is not healthy. We wish him well, but I
don't think he would say, oh, I can take on
the responsibility of being Speaker of the House. Who is
Matt Gates's candidate to replace Kevin McCarthy. And my concern is,
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as this prolongs and you potentially have a vacancy for speaker,
is there some sort of middle of the road candidate
that Democrats get behind. And remember, you only have a
five vote majority. So this was the tenuous spot that
McCarthy found himself in in the first place. It took
I think fifteen ballots if I remember correctly, for him
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to end up Speaker of the House in the first place.
Is there a possibility that Republicans could bungle this to
the point where some Republicans who are in swing congressional
districts and are looking already towards one year from now,
we're basically halfway through their terms, that they decide, hey,
you know what, we'll support a moderate Democrat for Speaker
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of the House. I hope it doesn't get to that.
That is such a red line, and especially in a
presidential election year.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I never want to.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Underestimate Republicans' ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory, though,
I mean, I do think, what's the the old line,
they never missed an opportunity, to miss an opportunity. You know,
There's there's a lot of things you could say, particularly
about Republican leadership in Congress that is true and and
worth keeping in mind as we go forward here. But
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there's not a lot of anything that's going to happen
other than funding the government between now and the election anyway.
So this feels from a congressional standpoint, right, there's not
gonna be any big legislation. Remember, Republicans have a majority
of the House, so it's not like Biden can try
to get one more big something or other bill through.
This is the one fight that they're likely to have
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over overfunding issues before people get to vote on members
of Congress again. And I think Clay in this instance,
this a lot of this is personal. You know, It's
one thing when you're a real student of history, what
you see is, you know, states rise and fall. You'd
like to think it's all about grand strategy and and
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the the destiny of various nations and stuff like that.
Sometimes you just have leaders who really don't like each other,
or you have two people, you know, you know, the
king and his closest advisor, or you know, the first
cousin of the king challenges him, or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think that there's a personal.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Animis between Gates and McCarthy that is driving a lot
of this. I think that is a serious component of it.
I think that this is Gates doesn't like McCarthy. McCarthy
doesn't like Gates, and they're just having it out right now.
And you don't need that many people to go along
with Gates to get McCarthy ousted a speaker.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So I would just like to know who's going to
end up the new speaker.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Is there any plan out there if McCarthy is voted
out again? Steve Scalise not healthy and able to rise
to the job. We wish him well. Jim Jordan doesn't
want the job and seems to have a decent relationship
with Jim Jordan.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Also, who is the candidate that they're going to be
able to get the votes for.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean, there's uh Emma is the House Republican whip
out of Minnesota. There's McK henry out of North Carolina.
You know there are options, right There are options. As
you noted, it's police because of health reasons, is otherwise?
I think he he would be the most likely and
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and would probably be you know, acceptable to the Republicans
I think, who are in this role of insurgent right now,
so you know it'll all be okay. I do not
think we'll end up with the Democrats. Can you imagine
imagine if they, like somehow Nancy Pelosi managed to just.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, I think it would be Keem Jefferies, right.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I I'm just saying this is that this is crazy
town that we're even talking about it. It'll be a Republican.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
If you are in a swing district and this thing
just keeps going. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
I mean, remember they still they've only funded the government
through mid November, right or whatever the date is, Like
they didn't actually resolve now, he didn't have a shutdown
at all. I just I don't have a sense for
what do people want? Right If you and I were
the mediators here, Buck, and on one side is Matt
Gates and on the other side is Kevin McCarthy, I
don't have any sense for what the Gates faction wants
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that the McCarthy faction is unwilling to give, and what
McCarthy wants from Gates that the Gates fashion is unwilling
to give.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So that makes sense, Like.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I known, funding is is the thing that they're really
focusing in on. I'll say that, you know, it's interesting,
there aren't that many people that I see in the Republicans.
A lot of people criticize funding to Ukraine, and I
get that. I understand that. I on this show was
saying all that stuff about how Russia is going to
(27:51):
be defeated. And remember the first month of this war,
it was they stopped them in the outskirts of Kiev.
And now they're gonna, you know, kick them out of
the country and they're gonna take back Crimea. And this
will be over in months. This war is going to
take years, and the US is going to end up
spending hundreds of billions, perhaps up to a trillion dollars
supporting the Ukrainian side of this equation. But you don't
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hear that many Republicans who will say, or at least
who will take actions that show that they will just
cut off funding right away. That's definitely not much here.
When Donald Trump speaks about what he would do, he
says he would negotiate an end to it. He would
negotiate a an immediate ceasefire and some kind of a
peace deal. So you know how much of this is
(28:36):
posturing even over the Ukraine funding is what I'm getting at.
You know how much of this is people in a
moment where there's not a lot of other major political
stories want to get attention and build their bona fides
for being the ones that are willing to stop the
forever warriors.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You know what I'm saying. No, I totally get it.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
The challenge is, to my understanding, basically, it's fifty to
fifty in the Republican Party on whether people want to
continue to fund Ukraine, right, So it's not as if
you can you can get a resolution on that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I wonder what the correlation is between Trump supporting the
primary and cessation of Ukraine funding, because about fifty percent
of the party supports Trump already, Yeah, right, fifty percent
of Republican primary voters. I wonder if it's I would
bet it's very high that the people that want Ukraine
funding to end are overwhelming the collect You're not voting
(29:30):
for Nicki Haley if you want Ukraine funding to end, right,
You're not. I don't think you're voting for Tim Scott
if you want Ukraine funding, Dan Well.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
What's also interesting is Trump had supported McCarthy for the
speakership back in the day, like he had actually worked
to try to get the House to come to come
to join him in his speakerdom.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So we had him on the show and he came
out of the gates.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
No pun intended there with Matt Gates, you know situation.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know, he came out of the gates blasting.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah, you know so, And maybe it's just bucket and
that also, like again, anger is not a strategy. But
I'm also sitting here, we're thirteen months until a new
Congress is seated. Is there really anything that this Congress
is going to do? Again, you don't own the Senate,
(30:18):
you don't have the White House. The amount of negotiation
room that McCarthy has in the first place is minimal
because he's only got a five seat majority in the House.
So I just I don't know what is feasible, That's
what I'm saying. Like if you and I were sitting
between and we were the mediators trying to figure out
(30:38):
a solution here, I haven't seen it laying out in
a way where I can say, Okay, McCarthy could do
this and he's not. I mean, did we just want
to have a shutdown like to is that a negotiating leverage?
I'm just I'm not sure what the play is here,
purely from a negotiation perspective. By the way, we'll open
up phone lines and we'll continue to follow this live
(31:00):
because it's possible that McCarthy's going to be voted out
before today's program's over.
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Who knows.
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Speaker 1 (32:26):
We got a lot of people who want to weigh
in variety of topics.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
We're continuing to track in real time the vote to
see whether Kevin McCarthy is going to remain Speaker of
the House, and there's a variety of different questions.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Jeff in Houston, first up, what's up with you? Jeff?
What you got for us?
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, I've got a legal question for you. A New
York judge is going to rule on the valuation of
mar a Lago, which is in Florida. How does the
New York court have jurisdiction over that?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
So my understanding, and I'm not an expert in this,
is they took out the loan in New York and
mar A Lago was one of the assets that Trump
was citing in the same way that Trump has, for instance,
properties in all over the country golf courses that they
would be citing. The Trump organization is based in New
York in terms of where that organization is, and so
(33:23):
that's why they would have jurisdiction. The only jurisdiction issue
that we've talked about on this show that I think
still remains. It appears that Jack Smith said, wait a minute,
the mar A Lago case needs to be in South Florida.
Dealing with the possession of classified documents. They did all
a lot of the grand jury proceedings in DC, then
got nervous, I think about jurisdiction, moved it to South Florida,
(33:46):
and so far, Buck the judges in Atlanta have refused
to grant federal court judge a federal court standing to
Trump in that state court proceed.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
We talked about that.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
When it happened, I was like I think those judges
they're gonna they're gonna try to keep this thing in house.
The system is is set up there.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So far, no judge has recused him or herself from
any Trump related case. I'm correcting that right, Like nobody
has said that I can't handle this, this is too
much for me. Don't underrate the egos of judges. They
all think they are God's gift to the judiciary. They
have high they have high self uh self opinion, and
(34:30):
if you get a very prominent case, a lot of
these judges, I mean, look at the smiling uh selfie
uh you know video that that judge did in New
York State Court for the for the preceding I don't
know how you pronounce his name, but I know he
doesn't dislike the cameras being there.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Used to be a cab driver, evidently. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Now we haven't even gotten into it. I think we
will in the next hour that the Trump civil trial,
and that's what people are some people have been calling
in and talking to us. Abut I mean, I'll just
say this on it. The in the Trump civil trial,
he's showing up. I think here's my theory, Clay on
what this is I think Trump is showing up. There
(35:13):
are cameras, there's a lot of media attention about this
because he is setting the precedent. He has picked a
trial that is absolutely absurd, and he's showing people that
he will show up, he will call out the absurdity
of it, and he will face this thing down in
a trial that is is truly preposterous. And and I
(35:35):
think that this then sets a narrative going forward that
all everything that comes after this, whether Trump shows or
it gets delayed, or whatever it may be, he's willing
to He's willing to fight this and and take it
all on headfirst. I think that's what this really comes
down to for him. It's it's the optics of it.
It's the visual of Look at this. I mean, they're
they're bringing this case. It's a case without a victim again.
(35:59):
I mean the you know, we first out, we're talking
all the horrible crimes that are occurring with the most
clear victims, imaginable because Democrats don't want to take that
aspect of criminal justice with the seriousness and focus that deserves.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But in the Trump case, what's.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
The problem again, what did he do? I mean, I
know what they say yeah, no, you know who lost.
The banks didn't lose. They got their money plus interest.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
It is I mean, we'll talk about this when we
come back. When you look at.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
The criminal justice system.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
If crimes were evenly committed by race, in other words,
if you know sixty percent of people who were arrested
were white, thirteen percent were black, you know, fourteen percent
or hispanic directly approximate to the race, would there be
any demand that there be less criminals on the streets.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Just think about it. I think the answer no.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off
in this moment. Thanks for being here with us. And
we told you we'd dive in immigration.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We're going to do that right now.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So the number is stunning, but I have to say
not surprising. Border patrol putting out that in the last month,
September of twenty twenty three, last month for which we
have data, you have an all time how they call
(00:33):
them encounters. Understand that every encounter is actually the act
of an illegal crossing. We have border crossings, we have footbridge,
we have roads, we have ways to get into the
country legally.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
People are just coming across the border.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And the number which is a violation of federal law,
and the number of people who did so in September
is an all time high of two hundred and thirty thousand.
Two hundred and thirty thousand people crossed into the US
last month alone.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
This is stunning.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Remember you're adding that to the call it six million
who have already entered the country in three years of
Biden's first of Biden's term, Let's hope just term one
three years, about six million, two hundred and thirty thousand
last month. To put this into perspective, everybody, the official number,
(01:36):
and they used to base this off of census data,
has been roughly eleven million illegals certainly for the last decade.
Now that number I always thought was low, and I've
actually Clay had the experience of asking members, longtime members
of Border Patrol, what do you guys think about that
eleven point something million number? And they all laugh and
(01:57):
they're like, it's you know, double that at least at
least because they just say, look what we're seeing every day.
Do the math yourselves. There's not some mass self deportation
that is going that is going on. So when we
start to compile the data, looking at the numbers, you
will have had a almost fifty percent increase in the
(02:19):
official number of illegals in the country over decades, occurring
in three years of Biden. So it took us, let's say,
from the early nineties to twenty ten, it took us
that period of time to get to about eleven or
twelve million, and we will have added six or seven
million in three years of Biden. Okay, So this is
(02:41):
a pace that we've never seen before, and it's completely
out of control. Now what does it look like?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Clay?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right, So there's the aggregate number, and then there's the
how does this play out in terms of the impact
on cities? And this is why it used to be, well,
we don't know, and you know, migrants, maybe they're just
doing the jobs Americans won't do. And there are all
these things they used to say, Oh, it's fine, there's
no drain on resources. Here's an example of what you're
talking of what we're dealing with. Play in New York
(03:08):
City right now, this is a this is cut I
think twenty five, twenty three, something like that. The number
of patients have you seen this? Oh, you already know
the number is going to ask you to guess.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I saw the headline, so I but I would. I would.
This is extraordinary and in a bad way.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So the number of people in the New York City
hospital system that the percentage of people who are illegals
is twenty five percent right now?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
The border crisis surging officials telling NBC News there were
over two hundred thousand illegal crossings at the southern border
last month and a record three million migrants across the
border in the last year. Now a new warning one
thousand miles away in New.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
York City, where officials tell us resources are overwhelmed. Across
public hospitals in New York City, a quarter the patients
are now migrants. Over the last year, nearly thirty thousand
visits by migrants and three hundred new babies born to
migrant moms.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Clay, thirty thousand hospital visits yeah, this year by these migrants,
thirty thousand. Twenty five percent of people in the hospital
system are migrants, you know, And I'm sorry, I've had
this experience before in New York City of having to
go to the emergency room and you know, really really
(04:31):
need to get some help, and you sit there an hour,
two hours, six hours, ten hours, and people say, well,
what's going on. This is a part of it, This
is part of what's driving and certainly more now, more
than ever, it's outrageous, and the ruling class has no
answers here, Clay, other than to lie.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, and this is also interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I'm sure you saw Mayor Eric Adams, I think we
mentioned this on the show yesterday, is now going to
travel to Mexico and points further south. Telling everybody don't
come to New York City. How is that going to
work when you just had the Biden administration tell everybody
from Venezuela who was here before July thirty first, Hey
(05:16):
you can now go get jobs. And I mean he's
traveling to at least he's trying. Kamala Harris a few
years ago actually went down after she got humiliated in
that interview where where NBC Lester Holtz. I think it
was right who called her out and pointed out that
she really hadn't done anything as the borders are Biden
(05:37):
to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong. Buck has
been to the border once in like the last fifteen years,
and that was for a short and I'll passo if
I remember correctly, like kind of walk along the border.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
He didn't do anything of any substantial import.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
He hasn't traveled to Latin America and tried to solve
this issue. Kamala Harris hasn't been there in a long time.
Mack Adams is at least going down and actually making
a trip all the way, I believe, from Mexico City
down to the Darien Gap to see it for himself
and get media attention. And tell people not to come.
But all that's going to do, I think is further
(06:14):
encourage people to go, because now they're going to say, oh,
the mayor of New York City is down here. Telling
people not to come is not going to work. You
have to eliminate the incentive structure. Jobs and and birthright
citizenship are the two incentive structures that encourage people to
come north.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And as long as those both exist, people are going
to keep coming.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So two hundred and thirty thousand illegals enter last month, Clay,
I will make a guess because it's a little specific here,
but Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, according to this is a
pull this up on the Wall Street Journal. They have
these stats. Immigration and custom Enforcement in twenty twenty two
(06:56):
deported seventy two thousand people. So in one month, now,
that was twenty twenty two. I know we're in twenty
twenty three, but let's just give it a sense. In
the entire fiscal year twenty twenty two, they deported a
grand total from the entire country, and that includes you know,
(07:16):
people that are violent criminals and felons and gang members
and everything else. They deported one third the number of
illegals we just got last month. So if anyone wants
to know, like what's really going on here, this is
a total abdication of our sovereignty, a total refusal to
enforce the rule of law at the border. And I
(07:38):
think the Democrats are are stuck play because you know,
their base doesn't actually want this to stop. That's the
part of it that's so you know, so insane.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, it's a lot like crime.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
People make decisions that make them feel better so long
as they aren't impacted by it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And this is what's good.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I mean, I see a completely as connected because we've
created a world where you say one thing, because it's
the right opinion to have, Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
We should have the open borders.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
We should limit the amount of time that we're trying
to put people behind bars, because you have private security,
for instance, you have a gate, you have very reliable police.
In the richest communities in America, they didn't defund police,
they went and hired more. When guys decided they didn't
want to work in violent crime areas, they moved to
(08:33):
low crime areas, got good jobs and good pensions and
good opportunities for them and their family, and so they
can live behind in their gated community with their private
security guards and their ample police forces, and say oh,
let's defund the police, knowing that it's not going to
impact them. And simultaneously, Buck, they can say, oh, we
should have open borders because in the grand scheme of things,
(08:56):
it doesn't really change their life. Maybe maybe you get
a little bit cheaper groundskeeper for your mansion.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
I mean, this is the way that they are thinking.
It's a and this is my big concern in America today, Buck,
and we were talking about this off air. We have
created a consequence free American life, by which I mean
anyone who ever said defund the police is not smart
(09:23):
enough to be able to, in my opinion, hold the
elective office. And there should be consequences anyone who said, hey,
let's go take the rims off basketball hoops and keep
kids from being able to play basketball outside during COVID,
they should not be able to continue to represent people. Instead,
people aren't looking at results, They're just looking at what
(09:44):
team you're on. And as a result, there are no
consequences for clearly failed public policy. And that's going on
at the border, that's going on with crime, that happened
with COVID. We live in a consequence free universe, and
that's why I've used this analogy. Buck, your high school
football coach is held to a higher standard of behavior
(10:07):
than the governor of Michigan is or the governor of
California because they're Democrats and what they actually do doesn't
matter because they're on the right tribe.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
That should be scary to everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And what we've seen and we started to get in
this conversation at the end of the last hour on crime,
it's true about immigration as well, is I think that
there was a There are always two components of this.
There are the true believers who think that we can
change the rules or we can do these things and
(10:40):
it's not going to have the negative impact. So crime
won't get worse, illegal immigration won't get worse. We can
change the rules and it won't turn into the debacles
that we see on those two issues. I think there
are also people, though, who are a different kind of
true believer, who lie to everybody about what their true
intentions are with this. And that's what I was getting
at with some of the Soros prosecutors and their view
(11:02):
of things. They think that whether it's on the issue
of crime or the issue of immigration. The rules that
we have are actually a problem. The system itself is
a problem. It's not like, oh, we're trying to get
to the same place of low crime and a secure border.
It's just different pathways. There are true believers on the
(11:23):
left who think that we should be an open borders state,
an open borders country, and clay that we should abolish prisons.
The true leftist social justice reformers believe in and they
use the word very intentionally abolition of police and abolition
(11:43):
of prisons. And that is insane, I know, but you
will find it. You will hear people talking about it.
That is what the true leftists think in this police
reform movement. So they bring other people along by saying,
come on, guys, let's just change this a little bit.
Nothing bad is really going to happen. I mean, it's fine,
It's all gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
What we see is the results happening on immigration. It
couldn't be any more clear. And I go back and forth.
They either convinced themselves it doesn't affect them to your point,
or they're just too stubborn and too narcissistic to admit
that they were wrong, which I think is a big
part of, for example, what happened on COVID. But that's
(12:22):
where we are now. They won't admit that they've gotten
this thing completely wrong or this is what they wanted
all along.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Well, and also Buck, this is the frustrating thing. Wh's
just a big circle, right, I mean, somebody could make
this circle, and we've gone through it before because people
finally got fed up in the late eighties and early
nineties with surging violent crime, and so they said, we're
going to put the criminals in prison, and so crime
(12:50):
rights go down.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
New York City, where you grew up, is a perfect
example of this. Right.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
People got so fed up with the lack of safety
and security in New York City that they elected a
law and order mayor who plate positions and policies and
protocols in place that led to much safer streets. And
then what happens, big circle. Much safer streets lead to
the luxury of being concerned that being tough on crimes
(13:13):
is racist. So you're saying that, oh it's racist to
be tough on crime. Then you can put people back
on the streets. Crime starts to go back up, and
you go right back into the circle again where you
say we got to put criminals back behind bars. It's
all so easily and predictably clear what is going to happen.
But it's like the late eighties and the early nineties
didn't happen, so we're back on the same cycle all
(13:35):
over again.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I remember when there were people who were hitting Joe
Biden for the nineties crime bill when he was running
in twenty twenty from the right. If a lot of
us are sitting around saying no, no, no, guys, that was
actually good the.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
One thing Joe Bidens might have gotten right in his career,
but the circle has so worked around where he had
to repudiate that because now it's considered to be racist.
And I just think the ultimate close out of all
that argument is just watch the minds explode when you say, yeah,
you know, systemic racism may be a thing when it's policing,
but what I'm really focused on is systemic sexism, because
(14:10):
women should be getting arrested way more for violent crimes
than they are, I mean ninety five percent. And just
make that argument like kind of deadpan, and just see,
like you can start to see their brains explode. Because
police arrest criminals and women are far less violent than
men are, and so, but nobody says, oh, it's systemic
sexism that ninety five percent or higher of the people
(14:32):
arrested for violent crimes are men. We all understand men
commit far more violent crimes.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It's it's a good argument. Eight h two two eight
A two.
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton now voices of Sanity an
Insane World.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Update on
the drama that is playing out on the House floor.
We told you we would update you as more of
those details became clear. There is a motion basically to
end McCarthy's run as Speaker of the House that has
(16:06):
been put forward by Congressman Mac Gates of Florida Democrats.
People were unsure how Democrats were going to vote on this.
It now based on the headlines here, it appears that
all Democrats are going to vote against Kevin McCarthy continuing
as speaker.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That means, and.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
It appears there are at least five Republicans who are
going to vote against him too. It means that Kevin
McCarthy's speakership may be done. Here's my concern, Buck, it
doesn't seem like there's any plan in place. At all
to replace McCarthy or bring all Republicans together behind any candidate.
My concern becomes, and I'll just float this out there,
(16:49):
that Republicans could screw this up to the point where
eventually some Republicans end up siding with potentially a Democrat
moderate speak. I just I don't know how this is
going to play out, and it feels like a huge
distraction and a huge mess at a time when Democrats
have got a lot of things going badly, and now
(17:11):
Republicans are going to turn the story into Republican circus.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I enjoy that in this moment we have a little reversal.
I get to be the optimist in that I think
Republicans are incompetent in Congress play. But I don't think
they're that incompetent. But I wouldn't make a stake bet
on it. But I am hopeful that what you were
saying will not I mean, because going into election, can
you imagine what does it do to people's psychology on
(17:37):
the right if we have a majority in the House
and somehow you ended up with a Democrat Speaker of
the House. They they will avoid this, they will avoid this.
They have to avoid this. Like it can't be that.
Oh gosh, they can't be that incompetent. I don't feel
like there's a plan. And when there's no plan, it
makes me nervous. Buck with all that's going on in
(17:59):
DC right now, you know, we're just talking about it
all the incompetence. Don't forget that they've got things they're planning.
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Speaker 4 (18:55):
Why do it's it?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I mean the idea of it's you.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Well, why not? You know?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay, I think Matt has planned this all along. It
didn't matter what we transpired, you know, he would have
done it the year and shut down or not. I
firmly believe it's the right decision.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
To keep government open, to make sure our military is
still paid, our border agents are still paid.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And if that makes a challenge.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Based upon whether I should be speaker, I'll take that fight. Yeah,
calling his bluff. That was Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy.
And there's reporting right now that there could be as
many as seven seven Republicans who may go. Now, this
(19:43):
is all may and by the time people are listening tonight,
maybe on the podcast, literally'll know this. But we're doing
the show live, as you know, they made defect from
McCarthy and he could be removed as Speaker of the House.
Clay before we dive into Matt Gates is leading this charge.
(20:04):
I remember Gates was a holdout if if memory serves correctly,
Gates was a holdout against McCarthy back when McCarthy was
up for the Speaker's gabble the first time around, What
is pushing this? Why is this happening? Here is Matt
Gates saying that there's a secret side deal on Ukraine
(20:24):
and play clip eleven.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
What was the secret side deal on Ukraine? House Democrats
and President Biden have said that as Speaker McCarthy was
asking Republicans to vote for a continuing resolution so as
to avoid having to take the Senates plus up in
Ukraine money, that the Speaker of the House was actually
cutting a side deal to bring Ukraine legislation to this
(20:52):
floor with President Biden and House Democrats. So mister speaker,
just tell us, just tell us what was in the
secret Ukraine side deal?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Clay, Oh, this looks like it is going to be
a showdown that happens today. And here is the fundamental problem. Actually,
Kevin McCarthy said, let's play one more and then you can.
Here's Kevin McCarthy saying, here's the problem with voting this.
The current speaker out, who's going to be the speaker next?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Play ten?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That doesn't have anybody Matt's focuses try to just remove me,
which is difficult in the place of where we have
forty five more days to be able to fund government
to be able to secure our borders, eliminate the wasteful spinning. Okay,
what happens if they're successful in this speaker coup?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Here's my concern, Buck One, this whole fight distracts from
what is really Democrat failures on so many different fronts
because it's internescent civil war inside the Republican Party. That's
one second part here. My concern is, how do you
(22:09):
end up with a new speaker. Anger is not a strategy.
Anger is an emotion. It's enjoyable sometimes when you're angry,
if you feel like you have been ill treated that
there need to be consequences.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
But at some point there has to be a plan.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I've not heard anybody else, I mean, correct me if
I'm wrong, Buck speak of the second in charge, Steve
Scalise is dealing with severe cancer treatment, right, I mean,
he is not healthy. We wish him well, but I
don't think he would say, oh, I can take on
the responsibility of being Speaker of the House. Who is
Matt Gates's candidate to replace Kevin McCarthy. And my concern is,
(22:53):
as this prolongs and you potentially have a vacancy for speaker,
is there some sort of middle of the road candidate
that Democrats get behind. And remember, you only have a
five vote majority. So this was the tenuous spot that
McCarthy found himself in in the first place. It took
I think fifteen ballots if I remember correctly, for him
(23:14):
to end up Speaker of the House in the first place.
Is there a possibility that Republicans could bungle this to
the point where some Republicans who are in swing congressional
districts and are looking already towards one year from now,
we're basically halfway through their terms, that they decide, hey,
you know what, we'll support a moderate Democrat for Speaker
(23:37):
of the House. I hope it doesn't get to that.
That is such a red line, and especially in a
presidential election year.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I never want to.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Underestimate Republicans' ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory, though,
I mean, I do think, what's the the old line,
they never missed an opportunity, to miss an opportunity. You know,
There's there's a lot of things you could say, particularly
about Republican leadership in Congress that is true and and
worth keeping in mind as we go forward here. But
(24:15):
there's not a lot of anything that's going to happen
other than funding the government between now and the election anyway.
So this feels from a congressional standpoint, right, there's not
gonna be any big legislation. Remember, Republicans have a majority
of the House, so it's not like Biden can try
to get one more big something or other bill through.
This is the one fight that they're likely to have
(24:38):
over overfunding issues before people get to vote on members
of Congress again. And I think Clay in this instance,
this a lot of this is personal. You know, It's
one thing when you're a real student of history, what
you see is, you know, states rise and fall. You'd
like to think it's all about grand strategy and and
(24:59):
the the destiny of various nations and stuff like that.
Sometimes you just have leaders who really don't like each other,
or you have two people, you know, you know, the
king and his closest advisor, or you know, the first
cousin of the king challenges him, or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think that there's a personal.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Animis between Gates and McCarthy that is driving a lot
of this. I think that is a serious component of it.
I think that this is Gates doesn't like McCarthy. McCarthy
doesn't like Gates, and they're just having it out right now.
And you don't need that many people to go along
with Gates to get McCarthy ousted a speaker.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So I would just like to know who's going to
end up the new speaker.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Is there any plan out there if McCarthy is voted
out again? Steve Scalise not healthy and able to rise
to the job. We wish him well. Jim Jordan doesn't
want the job and seems to have a decent relationship
with Jim Jordan.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Also, who is the candidate that they're going to be
able to get the votes for.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean, there's uh Emma is the House Republican whip
out of Minnesota. There's McK henry out of North Carolina.
You know there are options, right There are options. As
you noted, it's police because of health reasons, is otherwise?
I think he he would be the most likely and
(26:24):
and would probably be you know, acceptable to the Republicans
I think, who are in this role of insurgent right now,
so you know it'll all be okay. I do not
think we'll end up with the Democrats. Can you imagine
imagine if they, like somehow Nancy Pelosi managed to just.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, I think it would be Keem Jefferies, right.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I I'm just saying this is that this is crazy
town that we're even talking about it. It'll be a Republican.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
If you are in a swing district and this thing
just keeps going. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
I mean, remember they still they've only funded the government
through mid November, right or whatever the date is, Like
they didn't actually resolve now, he didn't have a shutdown
at all. I just I don't have a sense for
what do people want? Right If you and I were
the mediators here, Buck, and on one side is Matt
Gates and on the other side is Kevin McCarthy, I
don't have any sense for what the Gates faction wants
(27:22):
that the McCarthy faction is unwilling to give, and what
McCarthy wants from Gates that the Gates fashion is unwilling
to give.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So that makes sense, Like.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I known, funding is is the thing that they're really
focusing in on. I'll say that, you know, it's interesting,
there aren't that many people that I see in the Republicans.
A lot of people criticize funding to Ukraine, and I
get that. I understand that. I on this show was
saying all that stuff about how Russia is going to
(27:51):
be defeated. And remember the first month of this war,
it was they stopped them in the outskirts of Kiev.
And now they're gonna, you know, kick them out of
the country and they're gonna take back Crimea. And this
will be over in months. This war is going to
take years, and the US is going to end up
spending hundreds of billions, perhaps up to a trillion dollars
supporting the Ukrainian side of this equation. But you don't
(28:13):
hear that many Republicans who will say, or at least
who will take actions that show that they will just
cut off funding right away. That's definitely not much here.
When Donald Trump speaks about what he would do, he
says he would negotiate an end to it. He would
negotiate a an immediate ceasefire and some kind of a
peace deal. So you know how much of this is
(28:36):
posturing even over the Ukraine funding is what I'm getting at.
You know how much of this is people in a
moment where there's not a lot of other major political
stories want to get attention and build their bona fides
for being the ones that are willing to stop the
forever warriors.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You know what I'm saying. No, I totally get it.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
The challenge is, to my understanding, basically, it's fifty to
fifty in the Republican Party on whether people want to
continue to fund Ukraine, right, So it's not as if
you can you can get a resolution on that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I wonder what the correlation is between Trump supporting the
primary and cessation of Ukraine funding, because about fifty percent
of the party supports Trump already, Yeah, right, fifty percent
of Republican primary voters. I wonder if it's I would
bet it's very high that the people that want Ukraine
funding to end are overwhelming the collect You're not voting
(29:30):
for Nicki Haley if you want Ukraine funding to end, right,
You're not. I don't think you're voting for Tim Scott
if you want Ukraine funding, Dan Well.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
What's also interesting is Trump had supported McCarthy for the
speakership back in the day, like he had actually worked
to try to get the House to come to come
to join him in his speakerdom.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So we had him on the show and he came
out of the gates.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
No pun intended there with Matt Gates, you know situation.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know, he came out of the gates blasting.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah, you know so, And maybe it's just bucket and
that also, like again, anger is not a strategy. But
I'm also sitting here, we're thirteen months until a new
Congress is seated. Is there really anything that this Congress
is going to do? Again, you don't own the Senate,
(30:18):
you don't have the White House. The amount of negotiation
room that McCarthy has in the first place is minimal
because he's only got a five seat majority in the House.
So I just I don't know what is feasible, That's
what I'm saying. Like if you and I were sitting
between and we were the mediators trying to figure out
(30:38):
a solution here, I haven't seen it laying out in
a way where I can say, Okay, McCarthy could do
this and he's not. I mean, did we just want
to have a shutdown like to is that a negotiating leverage?
I'm just I'm not sure what the play is here,
purely from a negotiation perspective. By the way, we'll open
up phone lines and we'll continue to follow this live
(31:00):
because it's possible that McCarthy's going to be voted out
before today's program's over.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Who knows.
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Speaker 1 (32:26):
We got a lot of people who want to weigh
in variety of topics.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
We're continuing to track in real time the vote to
see whether Kevin McCarthy is going to remain Speaker of
the House, and there's a variety of different questions.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Jeff in Houston, first up, what's up with you? Jeff?
What you got for us?
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, I've got a legal question for you. A New
York judge is going to rule on the valuation of
mar a Lago, which is in Florida. How does the
New York court have jurisdiction over that?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
So my understanding, and I'm not an expert in this,
is they took out the loan in New York and
mar A Lago was one of the assets that Trump
was citing in the same way that Trump has, for instance,
properties in all over the country golf courses that they
would be citing. The Trump organization is based in New
York in terms of where that organization is, and so
(33:23):
that's why they would have jurisdiction. The only jurisdiction issue
that we've talked about on this show that I think
still remains. It appears that Jack Smith said, wait a minute,
the mar A Lago case needs to be in South Florida.
Dealing with the possession of classified documents. They did all
a lot of the grand jury proceedings in DC, then
got nervous, I think about jurisdiction, moved it to South Florida,
(33:46):
and so far, Buck the judges in Atlanta have refused
to grant federal court judge a federal court standing to
Trump in that state court proceed.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
We talked about that.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
When it happened, I was like I think those judges
they're gonna they're gonna try to keep this thing in house.
The system is is set up there.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So far, no judge has recused him or herself from
any Trump related case. I'm correcting that right, Like nobody
has said that I can't handle this, this is too
much for me. Don't underrate the egos of judges. They
all think they are God's gift to the judiciary. They
have high they have high self uh self opinion, and
(34:30):
if you get a very prominent case, a lot of
these judges, I mean, look at the smiling uh selfie
uh you know video that that judge did in New
York State Court for the for the preceding I don't
know how you pronounce his name, but I know he
doesn't dislike the cameras being there.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Used to be a cab driver, evidently. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Now we haven't even gotten into it. I think we
will in the next hour that the Trump civil trial,
and that's what people are some people have been calling
in and talking to us. Abut I mean, I'll just
say this on it. The in the Trump civil trial,
he's showing up. I think here's my theory, Clay on
what this is I think Trump is showing up. There
(35:13):
are cameras, there's a lot of media attention about this
because he is setting the precedent. He has picked a
trial that is absolutely absurd, and he's showing people that
he will show up, he will call out the absurdity
of it, and he will face this thing down in
a trial that is is truly preposterous. And and I
(35:35):
think that this then sets a narrative going forward that
all everything that comes after this, whether Trump shows or
it gets delayed, or whatever it may be, he's willing
to He's willing to fight this and and take it
all on headfirst. I think that's what this really comes
down to for him. It's it's the optics of it.
It's the visual of Look at this. I mean, they're
they're bringing this case. It's a case without a victim again.
(35:59):
I mean the you know, we first out, we're talking
all the horrible crimes that are occurring with the most
clear victims, imaginable because Democrats don't want to take that
aspect of criminal justice with the seriousness and focus that deserves.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But in the Trump case, what's.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
The problem again, what did he do? I mean, I
know what they say yeah, no, you know who lost.
The banks didn't lose. They got their money plus interest.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
It is I mean, we'll talk about this when we
come back. When you look at.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
The criminal justice system.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
If crimes were evenly committed by race, in other words,
if you know sixty percent of people who were arrested
were white, thirteen percent were black, you know, fourteen percent
or hispanic directly approximate to the race, would there be
any demand that there be less criminals on the streets.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Just think about it. I think the answer no.
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