Hour 2 - Trans Killer Disrupts the Media Narrative

Trans killer's note to friend. CNN analyst says we have to focus on guns, not pronouns. Nashville police press conference. Disturbed shooter had 7 guns in house, parents say they were unaware. Questioning the mental health of a transgender person isn't allowed and now 7 people in Nashville are dead. Transgenderism is a mental health issue. Possible motives for Nashville shooter. C&B take calls on psychiatric health care.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
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(00:24):
anywhere in the world, and we are happy to be
with you guys here today discussing so many different stories.
Right off the top, the Nashville Police Department has got
a press conference scheduled about nine minutes from now that
may and I stress may go into discussing the manifesto

(00:45):
and the particular motivations behind this deranged trans killer who
entered into a religious elementary school killed three kids nine
years old and three adults as well. All of that
we will con tinue to follow that. Maybe what they
are going to discuss in this press conference that starts
about nine minutes. We'll be rolling on it. We'll be

(01:06):
paying attention. But as we have continue to talk about
the bravery of the Nashville Police Department, and i'd encourage
all of you again, as we said in the first hour,
to make sure you go watch these videos that have
been released by the Nashville Police Department of the individual
police body cameras. Six minute clip to me in particular,

(01:27):
just takes you into the worldview literally of these police
officers as they are responding to an active school shooter situation,
all the way up through to be fair, the violent
ending where they take down this shooter. Encourage all of
you to go watch that. I think it is incredibly
important for great police work to be shared as widely

(01:53):
as police poor work, as potentially criminal work, or as
the cowardice that we saw and you've all day, I
think it's important to share this clinical takedown of this killer.
Now I mentioned that this is a trans killer. This
is a biological woman twenty eight years old who was

(02:14):
identifying as a man. And Buck, there are a couple
of messages that I screenshotted that I wanted to read
to you. This is a message that has now been
written about one of the final messages shared by this killer.
And I try, and I know you do too, Buck,
to avoid using the names of mass killers, because the

(02:36):
data reflects that the more you make these people famous
and share their names and their images widely. The more
likely they are to engage in these heinous behaviors, going
all the way back to Columbine when it started. So
this is a message from this killer and the post
reads as follows. So basically that post I made on

(02:57):
here about you that was basically a suicide note. I'm
planning to die today. This is not a joke. You'll
probably hear about me on the news after I die.
This is my last goodbye. I love you, see you
again in another life. Signed with the female name and
the male name underneath in a parenthetical, and the person responds,

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you have so much more life to live. I pray
God keeps and covers you. And the response is I know,
but I don't want to live. I'm so sorry. I'm
not trying to upset you or get attention. This is chilling.
I just need to die. I wanted to tell you
first because you're the most beautiful person I've ever seen

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and known all my life. My family doesn't know what
I'm about to do. One day this will make more sense.
I've left more than enough evidence behind, but something bad
is about to happen. Buck. This is incredibly chilling. And
again we may get official news of what this person

(04:08):
has left behind this manifesto. I don't think it was
a coincidence that a religious elementary school was targeted by
this transperson, and I do believe who committed this crime
is significant and a huge part of this story, because,
as you said, Buck, this is a domestic terror incident.

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And on CNN last night we had mentioned this clip before.
There was immediately this effort to focus on certain things
and create a narrative of this event that would be
less ideologically troublesome for a lot of the Democrat viewers

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in the CNN audience, because, as we know, when there's
an incident that can be in any way attributed to
the right, and this is a very it's a very
important phenomenon to understand, especially with regard to the media,
but it has enormous implications for politics. When someone does
something that can be attributed to the right, the media

(05:13):
not only amplify that, they focus on it, they amplify it,
and they attach meaning it's all about that thing that happened.
Usually it's you know, maga this like it's a white
guy who's somehow affiliated with Trump and that person and
even if it's very vaguely right, I mean the guy,
they think he's right wing, or it's traditionalist views, whatever

(05:34):
it may be. They'll then focus on it. They will
then go beyond just that focus to amplification, saying that
this is indicative of a much bigger trend than it is,
and then they'll attach other people to it. So your
rhetoric is responsible for this as well. This is the
media playbook whenever there is an incident that they can

(05:55):
create that narrative with right. So we all understand how
that goes. The effect happens when there's an incident, a
mass casualty incident, a domestic terror attack like this, where
the perpetrator and the ideology of the person and also
the specific mental health reality of the shooter is something

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that the Democrat base and the left just doesn't want
to here, doesn't want to understand, explore, or know about
in any way it does not fit their preconceived narrative
about who we have to be cautious about and what
the realities of America are. And so this is CNN's
national security analyst, whom I know from my time at CNN,

(06:40):
and she's just a political hack masquerading as a national
security expert. Here she is saying that pronouns. You know what,
I'll just let her say at play three, I started think, now, like,
we don't own guns in this country. Guns own us
at this stage. And this is where we have to
now focus on an important part of an agenda, which

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includes mental health, protecting our kids, fortifying schools, but also
the connectivity, which is a certain kind of gun. I
you know, look, pronouns do not kill children, right, people
with guns kill children. And it's going to be a
distraction in our coverage and keep us from what we
now know, which is each of these cases has a
similarity of more than any difference. Okay, it's a distraction.

(07:25):
That's really the That's really the key word here. A distraction,
according to CNN's probably most cited or most you know,
most booked national security analyst to talk about the fact
that this was a transgender individual. Just no one's saying
pronouns kill anybody. That that's a that's a total That

(07:45):
is a distraction. That's a total um. You know, red
Herring has nothing to do with anything but the ideology
of this person. It's interesting that this comes at a
time when you know, Tucker Carson just did last week
remember this on a show. There there's a trans or
LGBTQ plus and trans specific group that is taking up

(08:06):
arms and he did this whole segment on his show
because they're so scared about what people are you targeting them? Okay, Well,
is there a narrative that is being pushed by Democrats
that makes people who are trans think that they should
be more fearful than reality? Actually, you know indicates are
there parts of a discussion here naturally that should be

(08:26):
looked at, for why is it that this happened in
Colorado Springs? There are a number of other shootings as well,
involving trans individuals who are a tiny percentage of the population.
So when you start to link a few of these
mass shootings together, you say, what's going what's going on here?
And when you look at the rhetoric that the Democrats use,
Clay about how there is a quote genocide that is

(08:47):
a word that has been used by prominent Democrats or
a systematic erasure another term they use of trans people. Well,
how do they think that individuals are going to respond
to that? I also would point out, and I would
venture that this doesn't exist at all. Has this same
CNN commentator said that it's a distraction to focus on

(09:10):
whether a shooter is a Trump supporter. I bet there
is not audio of anybody who's ever gone on CNN saying, look, really,
the story is not who the shooter is, it's what
exactly is going on with guns. Right. If this school
shooter was a locked in loaded Donald Trump supporting January sixth,

(09:33):
protesting right wing zellot, it would be the number one
story in America. And I'm not kidding. I think that
Merritt Garland would already be on the ground in Nashville. Buck.
I'll just point this out. Remember a couple of years
ago when I went and spoke out against kids having
to wear masks in school, in particular my own kids,

(09:54):
at the local school board. Joe Biden's Department of Justice
opened an investigation into parents going to school boards and
arguing against their kids being forced to be masked because
they said that we were potential domestic terrorists. To all
of you, remember that, I bet there's a lot of
you out there who also went and spoke out at
your school boards as I did. Not. As the host

(10:17):
of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show alongside of you, Buck,
but as just a dad who didn't want his own
kids to have to wear a mask in school because
it was worthless. The Biden administration, Merrick Garland opened an
investigation into the speakers of that at those school board meetings.
Did they open any investigations at all into this mask killer?

(10:40):
Have they done any sort of investigation into as you
mentioned out mentioned this idea of a transgender act of
violence to try to protect themselves. I think all of
that is part and parcel of the narrative overwhelming the facts,
because I hope Joe Biden comes to Nashville and try
to provide some condolences to the lost people who lost

(11:03):
the loved ones, assuming those people would prefer that he'd
be Here's maybe they don't, but certainly if this was
a Buffalo black majority supermarket shooting, they can't get there
fast enough. They can't blame the shooter fast enough for
his domestic terrorism they're running from now, they're being any

(11:24):
causation link at all to this person's background. Well, also,
we talk about when we try to have discussions, they're
the bad faith, entirely bad faith gun grabbers. Out there,
which is most Democrats, most Democrat politicians. But occasionally they'll
want to have a somewhat more serious conversation about stopping

(11:45):
violent crime that involves that involves a firearm. Right, Occasionally
that will happen, and you'll even have some Republicans that'll say, well,
let's talk about you know, red flag laws or let's
talk about things, and some Republicans will go along with that,
and there are a lot of people that get very angry.
But and Lee, that's a that's an attempt, I think
to try to look at um realistic probe. For example,

(12:05):
we prohibit felons from having firearms. That's not a oh
what about the Second Amendment's well, if you're a convicted felon,
by the way, I think it should be fair to
say you should be a violent convicted felon. But if
you're a convicted felon, um, you know, there there's not
no one's pushing for Okay, if somebody's out on you know,
out of prison after serving a ten year sentence for
m robbery, they should be able to go out and
buy a pistol. Right that there's some understanding we have,

(12:27):
there's some agreement that we have. There are a lot
of gun laws already in place, which always gets left
out of the discussion tongues of too many of them.
I mean, I mean here in Florida, I think it's
a five day waiting period. What we What does that
do for anybody? But anyway, there's a lot of a
lot of rules out there about all of this. If
we're looking at mental health them we're looking at mental
health as it pertains to firearms. You know, the this

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is where people want to start to look at. Okay,
if somebody it used to be that if somebody came,
somebody approached um, you know, transgenderism, it was considered maybe
something that there should be mental health resources devoted to
helping somebody with. Right there seems to be no discussion
whatsoever right now of any kind about what we could

(13:10):
actually do that would be useful in this circumstance with
regard to they'll talk about mental health, but what does
that mean, Like how you know, but they won't even
really talk about mental health? Is it pertains to transgender people? Buck,
Because it's considered to be transphobic to suggest that anybody
who is transgender might have mental health issues when the
reality is a huge, monstrous percentage of people who decide

(13:36):
to cut off their genitals and or totally change their
gender have major mental health issues. That's not crazy. It's
not crazy. Most people don't make that choice. And we
can talk more about this because I think there's a
fear to even raise the question. Was this shooter on
medication that made her more violent? As we said, most

(13:56):
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Was this person loaded down with all sorts of testosterone
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every Day, The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Welcome
Back Right Now. Breaking news. Nashville Police Chief John Drake
speaking about the mass shooting yesterday. The latest here he
is actual target. I can't confirm that at this time.
Talking about your body footage, do you feel like everyone

(15:47):
just about the fIF six symptoms who were killed. Where
exactly were they? Um? You know when they walk in
through the hallways with the shuth end and I also
um heard scrip that perhaps the out of the school
may have landed worth the shooter. It's very possible the
head of the school could have done that. I can't

(16:08):
confirm that one what other I do know? She was
in the hallway by herself. There was a confrontation. I'm
sure he can tell the way she was laying in
the hallway. There was the custodia and the African American
that she shot through the door to enter. She sprayed
rounds through the glass, striking him. You could see where

(16:31):
where he came to rest. As far as the others,
they were just spread out in different locations. I can't
say it was a confrontation, but they were met. She
met the head person in the hallway right here. Yeah,
thank you. Chief. You mentioned the guns, the multiple guns,
and that the shooter was under the caravan. Doctor, is
there any law in this state that would have allowed

(16:53):
police to take those guns away from this person hadn't
been reported? If it had been reported, that's not a
law for that. But had it been reported that she
was suicidal or that she was going to kill someone
and it had been made known to us, then we
would have tried to get those weapons. But as it stands,
we had absolutely uh no idea actually who this person was,

(17:15):
if she even existed. So she can you talk a
little bit about the time, So we know yesterday the
uh miss Hall was leaving out of the residence. She
had a red bag. They asked her what was in
the red bag and I think she just dismissed it

(17:36):
because it was a motherly thing and I didn't look
in the bag because at the time she didn't know
that her daughter had any weapons and didn't think any differently. Again,
they lost to Chow, so it's very traumatic for them.
So I'll thank you first. Could you talk about the part?

(17:57):
All right? We'll we'll continue to monitor this and bring
you the latest on this press conference. The manifesto has
not been released yet and they have not ascribed motive yet.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. The Metro Nashville Police
Department currently having a press conference to discuss more of
the details surrounding this shooting. This is Chief Drake discussing
some aspects of this shooting right off the top of

(19:23):
his statement, just happened moments ago. Listen. We've interviewed the
parents of Audrey Hale, and we've determined that Audrey bought
seven firearms from five different local gun stars here legally.
They were legally purchased. Three of those weapons were used

(19:44):
yesterday done this horrific tragedy that happened. We know that
they felt that she had one weapon and that she
sold it. She was undercare doctor's care for an emotional disorder.
Law enforcement knew nothing about the treatment she was receiving,

(20:04):
but her parents felt that she should not own weapons.
They were under the impression that was when she sold
the one weapon that she did not own anymore. As
it turned out, she had been hiding several weapons within
the house. We also don't have a motive at this time.
We feel that the students that were targeted were randomly targeted.

(20:28):
There was not any particular student that they were that
she was looking for at the time. But the incident, Okay, Buck,
so there's a lot there. This is again the Nashville
Police Department. Seven firearms and she was under emotional care.
This comes back to a question that I'm sorry, I'm

(20:49):
just gonna I'm just gonna put it out there. If
you have a child that is not psychologically well, I
don't understand how you could hide seven firearms in the
house she lived in with her parents. Buck, Like, the
parents knew she had one gun and she told them,

(21:10):
she sold it, and somehow she managed to go buy
seven more. Where does she get the money? What was
her job? And again I'm saying this as a parent
of three kids. Okay, I understand that kids can try
to hide things from you, But if you knew you
had an emotionally unwell child and you did not want

(21:30):
them to have weapons, how in the world are there
seven guns hidden in your own home that you don't
know about it. I mean, again, I'm speaking to this
as a parent. I find it inconceivable that any of
my kids could hide seven weapons, to say nothing of
where they would get the money to buy seven weapons

(21:51):
without me being aware of it. And if your child
has got psychological issues. The police didn't know. According to this,
she wouldn't have been able to get guns. Why would
you not notify the police if you knew that your
child had one gun was suicidal, shouldn't have it? Again,
this seems like a failure of parenting. Am I crazy?

(22:13):
You don't have kids yet, buck, But when when I
hear these things, it makes me furious as a parent,
because there are now three kids that are dead, and
there are three moms and dads and grandpas and grandpa's
out there that are not going to be going home
because these parents didn't weren't aware of their kid had
seven guns. This is also where I would want to know.

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And I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist. I'm not
a practitioner at at a clinic dealing with mental health issues.
But we have, and it's just in the last really
the last five years, but particularly the last you know,
you could expand it, the last ten years, decided that
transgenderism is not a mental health issue that needs attention

(22:59):
and assistance, but is actually something to be celebrated, and
that this is the new civil rights struggle. That is
what we are told, that is the absolute mandate of
the Democrat Party, of the left, of the media in
this country, and of the Commies very broadly. They demand
this of you, that you call somebody who's a man

(23:20):
a woman, somebody who's a woman a man, depending on
their emotional state, and you're not supposed to think there's
something wrong here. You're not allowed to that. That has
changed the American Psychiatric Association. You look at the different
you know, the DSM and the different manuals out there.
They have changed this very rapidly and very recently. And
so when you're talking about things like a red flag law,

(23:42):
when you're talking about mental health issues as it pertains
to who can get a firearm? Does somebody who is transgender,
that is that is no longer to be considered a
part of a mental health issue, that is not treated
as a mental was seeing somebody because she chose to,
I assume, and she wanted to talk about different mental

(24:04):
health I don't depression, anxiety, whatever it may be. But
the severity of the mental illness I think can be
harder for people to really understand or for people even
around it to really gauge. Because the transgender issue is
not to be taken as a sign of instability, of
emotional instability. It is treated as the affirmation of the

(24:28):
self and the affirmation of gender. Well, what does that
really mean? Like, how can we you know, if that's
if you're a practitioner, if you're a psychiatryt sit down
with somebody and they're saying, you know, I was born
a woman, I've been a woman for twenty years or
whatever it is this person's case, but now I think
that I'm a man. Oh and by the way, I'm having,

(24:49):
you know, thoughts of violence, and oh, by the way
I'm having you know, do you see what I'm saying,
Like like, yeah, I totally, I totally get it because
we're told and this is the question that I'm asking back.
I mean, we don't even know how these different drugs
might interplay to make whatever psychosis she might have had worse.
Right in theory, if you're suddenly pumping somebody full of testosterone,

(25:13):
if she was, and simultaneously you're also giving them antidepressants
or all sorts of other mental health drugs, does that
lead to more of a psychotic breakdown? I think that's
a legitimate question that we should be asking. If somebody
wanted to see a psychiatrist, and they said that they
have they're severely bipolar. They have severe bipolar disorder, let's say,

(25:37):
or a severe personality disorder of any kind. And then
they also added some I'm having some thoughts about either
self harm or harming others or whatever. There would be
this sense of the totality of the psychiatric damage and
risk and look, those people need help. People should go
see people. And but for you know, they were saying,

(25:57):
this was never relayed to law enforcement nobody. Well were
they able to see the issue clearly because one part
of the psychological dress that this person was under was
not to be treated as instability and a sign that
this person may be troubled. It's to be treated as
a celebration of identity. That is the new civil rights struggle.

(26:19):
And so how can a practitioner, in all honesty be
asked to make a real because if you see any psychiatrists,
they will tell you this, and they look, they make people.
I don't know what they do. On the military side.
You come back from the CIA, you come back from overseas,
you're going to sit down with somebody and say, you know,
you saw some stuff, are you okay? So you know,
mental health treatment is physical health treatment. People should view

(26:41):
it as as two sides of the same coin. But
if you're asking people to be able to make threat
assessments like a psychiatrist at this point, I mean you
were talking about the parents, right, the parents obviously you know,
I mean, you know a lot of challenges here for them,
and you know, looks like they missed this. But this
is where I can't get pasted as a parent. And
I would say this to anybody out there. If you
leave your kid has serious psychological issues and you are

(27:04):
concerned about them doing harm to themselves or someone else,
and you are not checking regularly what they are spending
money on, whether they have weapons. I mean, we're not
talking about her having one gun, buck. She bought seven guns.
Seven guns are not cheap from five different firearms dealers,
and she hid them in the house and the parents

(27:25):
had no idea. So right, there's there's the parent component
of it, and I think you've you've spoken to that
that well. I just think also the police specifically mentioned well,
if we had been told she was under psychiatric care,
kenn a psychiatrist, here's one aspect psychiatrist even be honest
about what we're dealing with here and what the reality

(27:47):
of the mental health risks are of this person. Bottom line,
people died here. What happened. We have to be able
to be honest about this. If you're a psychiatrist, though,
and you get on the wrong side of this, you're
a transpoke, your license is gone, You're a bigot, You're
not to be talked to, You're a horrible human being. Oh, historically,

(28:08):
you're so right, buck, because I met Historically one of
the top signs of mental instability was the idea that
you're in the wrong body. Right in nineteen ninety four,
if you went to a psychiatrist and you said, well,
I'm a guy, but I actually feel like a girl,
that would not be a sign of you being incredibly
brave and proactive and courageous. It would be a sign

(28:31):
that your biochemistry may well be off. If I walked
into a psychiatrist's office and I said, Hi, I speak
to people who are not there. I speak to people
in the room who are not actually present in the room.
That is an objectively false reality that I am projecting.
And then if I said, on top of that, I

(28:51):
also want to seek out I'm gonna go buy some
firearms for whatever reason. Yeah, that psychiatrist would be highly
concerned and may inform law enforcement if I walk in
and say, I'm actually a woman, and by the way,
I'm going to go buy some firearms for whatever. We
don't know, we haven't seen the manifesto, but I'm gonna
go buy some firearms. I don't know how the psychiatrist

(29:12):
feels about that, necessarily because well, I need to affirm
your gender. Fuck what if you just came in and said, Hey,
I don't like my right arm. I want to chop
it off, and which is a real psychiatric condition for
anybody who's wondering. And also I am deeply disturbed and
I have seven guns. I'd be like, I don't know

(29:33):
that I want this person to have weapons. I believe
it's called body identity integrity disorder. And these are real question.
I mean, probably the only place you're gonna hear, almost
in all of America a conversation like this is here
because the idea that you would ever question anything about
a transgender person is considered to be so transphobic that

(29:56):
it's unacceptable to do. Well, there's six people dead. This
person was clearly mentally disturbed. I think figuring out how
this happened so we can hopefully not ever have it
happen again is a big part of figuring out how
to respond to this in general. Look, it's a challenge
right now everybody out there. You probably have car insurance,
probably have home insurance, health insurance, all sorts of things

(30:18):
take care of your family in case something bad happens
in that respect, do you have food insurance? Would you
ever believe you're going to go out to the grocery
store and not be able to find baby formula, not
be able to find toilet paper, not be able to
find your chosen products, to be able to buy on
the grocery shelves. Most of you would have found that
staggering to ever happen in America will happen, and with

(30:39):
all the different issues that are going on these days,
wouldn't you like to have food insurance just for a
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are open two eight two two eight eighth two. We've

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been going through the possible motives here, not yet confirmed
by law enforcement. But also remember motive is always something
that is open to analysis, at least generally speaking, open
to some degree of analysis. When there's a manifesto, it
tends to make it pretty clear. But even in those cases,

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you've had individuals that on the outside analyzing will try
to push one or another version of why something happened.
You know, society pushed a person to do it, or
there was bad rhetoric from the other political side or
whatever it may be. So we wanted to give you
our assessment of what we've seen so far. We also,
by the way, have our friends Tutor Dixon, who is

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now on the clan Buck podcast network. She'll be joining
us here in the next hour. We'll ask her about
this and also we'll talk some politics. I want to
take this call. It's Catherine in California, works in the
healthcare industry, has some thoughts on psychiatric care to share,
given our conversation a few minutes ago. Thanks for calling in, Katherine. Hello, megadiddos.

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I'm old school rash and megadddos, Yes, thank you anyway,
So I call on psychiatrists and one of the things
I've noticed they did a very good job prior to
COVID of threading like the virtual remote helping patients and
facilities and things. But two things. First of all, there's

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no places for some of these people to go anymore. Unfortunately,
Ronald Reagan kind of spearheaded and I was a big
fan closing some of the mental institutions. But the virtual
aspect of this has become a huge component, and these
people are not being seen in the office. They are
being seen over videos on song calls, and I think
that there are very few practitioners I know several of

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them that do a very good job of still treating
their patients. But I think that half of the most
of these people are not even being seen anymore. And
the psychiatric site is it's extremely well well. I do
know from just from New York City and you know,
the NYPD that would talk about the acronym was EDP
emotionally disturbed person, which are when you get calls that

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you know someone is being crazy out in the streets,
you know, running around naked with a with a a
butcher knife or something. They call it an EEDP. And
I just remember from talking to some of the long
time officers, the health resources, the mental health resources in
large communities all across the country are really insufficient. Yeah,

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really not what they should be. And I want to
be very clear, you know, I think people getting mental
health treatment is every bit as important and valid as
getting treatment for a broken leg. And I've I've felt
that way, you know, my entire adult life. Knowing what
I know, I mean, anybody who has spent time around
for example, and this usually puts it into context where
people Clay veterans with PTSD. Do they deserve the absolute support,

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you know, support, treatment, assistance and respect through all of that.
Of course they do, right, because they served our country
and many of them have brought back psychic wounds that
need to be healed, and it's incumbent upon us to
help them. Mental health treatment is critical for individuals. It's
not something it's not a you know, it's not just
for people that feel like, oh, you know, why aren't

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I more successful? And they pay some guy four hundred
dollars an hour or whatever to sit there while they're
lying on a couch, and we don't have the resources
we need in a lot of these communities. I'd like
to hear from other parents because Bucket, I remember the
Buffalo shooting. I believe it was certainly back in the
day at Sandy Hook, the Yuval Day shooting. All of

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these people were crazy, right, Let's be honest, they were crazy.
How in the world are parents relatives allowing these people
to get access to all in Wisconsin? Who wants to
address that right now? Rachel? In Wisconsin, you have some
thoughts on the parents involved here, go for it. Well,

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the parents are kind of in the dark. Because of
the laws that are in some states. The law in Wisconsin,
states of fourteen year old child can determine their medical decisions.
So when I had a daughter's spire lean out of control,
I couldn't get medical treatment because they put it into
her hand. I actually had a kidnap my child out

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of the state and move them to another state to
get medical treatment. So for a parent, it's very hard
sometimes thank you, thank you for the call. And certainly
that's an awful situation. Seven guns. How in the world
could your kid who was getting mental health treatment, Well,

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that the individual's twenty eight. I think they lived in
a house with the parents though, that's what I'm saying,
seven guns, that you're hiding inside of your the parents,
inside of your own home. I mean, this is just
very strange. We need to have this manifesto release. Nashville
Police have done a fantastic job so far. Tutor Dickson next,