March 31, 2023 • 37 mins
Clay and Buck cover more of the fallout from the Trump indictment. Montage of media celebrating Trump indictment. Australian data: Covid shot was massive failure. Benjamin Hall, Fox News reporter seriously injured in Ukraine joins Clay and Buck to discuss his new book: Saved: A War Reporter’s Mission to Make It Home. Clay and Buck take calls and read VIP emails on Trump indictment and Nashville shooting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in final hour of the week, Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Monstrous numbers of people tuned in to Fox News,
to CNN, and to MSNBC last night. I would bet
that monstrous numbers of you are listening to us today
as well as we obviously have spent the entire show
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so far discussing the indictment of former President Trump by
the New York City District Attorney Alvin Bragg. I would
encourage you to go listen to our interview with Andy McCarthy,
who is awesome, at the top of the second hour,
which would mean that I would encourage you to go
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So we have talked about this on so many different levels,
and there's a whole question up right now we have
retweeted from the Clay and Buck account. Does this make
you more or less likely to vote for President Trump?
A lot of people are also saying I should have
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put up a no change at all, because you were
either going to vote for him or against him, and
nothing at this point is changing. And that to me
is the most integral question here, Buck, because we can
talk all about the legality, and I think this is
a crap indictment. I think that a New York Appills
Court should throw it out based on statute of limitations
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and on an expansive and unacceptable definition of this as
a felony. We should also point out that Alvin Bragg
almost never charges people with felon right and often allows
people to plead down from felony to misdemeanor. And here
he is raising a misdemeanor to a felony in an
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effort to go after Donald Trump. But ultimately, what this
boils down to for me, Buck, is not just the
unprecedented nature of these charges and the fact that in
two hundred and forty years, it's never happened before, and unfortunately,
I think it will happen going forward now more frequently,
that political adversaries will face criminal charges, not for those
criminal activities at all, but just because of the political ramifications.
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But ultimately, this question that is the most integral is this,
how do these charges, if at all, impact who's going
to win in twenty twenty four? Because buck when I
look back at Joe Biden becoming the selection of the
Democrat Party, it was they rightly deduced that he was
the best option they had to beat Trump in twenty twenty,
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and then he got a massive assist from COVID. I
believe Trump would have one I've said for a long
time comfortably in twenty twenty if COVID had not upset
the apple cart, changed all the rules and allowed fear
to be the predominant message of Joe Biden's twenty twenty campaign.
I think a lot of women, in particular, a lot
of suburban moms, bought into the idea that Joe Biden
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was going to solve everything. He would take care of COVID,
normalcy would return. That certainly hasn't happened. What's going to
happen if it is Trump and Biden again, things have
to change. Will Trump be able to change the elector
at the outcome and therefore return to the White House.
We asked this question, I think rhetorically, because it's so
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far away that there will be so many indicators that
will have changed. There'll be so many things that will
be at play that we can't even necessarily foresee right now.
What is the state of the US economy, What is
the state of the war in Ukraine? What is the
situation of Trump's legal fights against this indictment? Sure, but
we are all expecting that. Now, if you're the joy
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Georgia Grand Jury and the Georgia prosecutor, why wouldn't you
bring an indictment? Again? Again, the incentives for people in
the position of either brag Or or the case of
the Georgia prosecutor specifically, the incentive is for them to
at least bring it because the same way that I
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think this is important to remember, the journalistic establishment in
this country, because of Trump openly said you remember this.
They started to tell people this, They said it out loud,
and it became really a rallying cry for them in
an era of Trump. The truth is anti Trump. That
became their entire mantra, meaning they no longer were to
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just tell people the facts and let them describe, you know,
or let them decide it was the truth must be
anti Trump. Were no longer journalists. Yea, they're doing something
similar to the law here. The law is no longer
about justice. It's no longer about what the statutes say
and what is in keeping with just outcomes. The law
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is a weapon of anti Trumpism. They are taking the
core institutions that we some people at least take for
granted and they're using them for political purposes in a
way that cannot This can't go back, right, This doesn't
ever get changed. Really, so that part of it for
me is really is very concerning over the long term.
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And I think that as for how this shakes out
for the election, you know, the Democrats, it feels to
me like in their minds, this is their move no
matter what, because let's say Trump wins, well, at least
they'll have had the emotional satisfaction of their Trump to
arrangement syndrome, which is a term we should bring back
this is trumped arrangement to syndrome on display from this
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prosecutor in New York City. So in order to satiate
their trumped arrangement syndrome, they will have brought this charge
and perhaps other charges. And so even if Trump is
able to beat them, and I know, based on our
polling yesterday, about half this audience, maybe fifty five percent,
thinks that Trump will beat them despite all of this.
But for them, it's well, even if that happens, why
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not try to cheat, you know what I mean? Like
they would have lost in their minds if they would
lose by even more if they weren't trying to rig
the system against him. So this is why I see
this as just the beginning. I think the effort grows,
and I can foresee a situation where I do I
might be wrong about this. Couldn't Trump be theoretically prevent
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Now you can run for office as a felon. We
talked to Andy about this for president. For president, you
can be a felon. But aren't there a certain constitutionally
proscribed offenses that you would not be able to hold
high federal office? Such as if they were to go
with incitement to insurrection. I just think that they're going
to take this all the way. Now, that's kind of think.
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I think you would have to be impeached rather than
just charged and convicted by an outside court. And I
also like, so I'm talking about while he's running. Yeah,
I think you could impeach. Again. I could be wrong.
This is all Let me just say this. Any lawyer
who tells you, hey, this is one hundred percent going
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to happen. These are such uncharted waters, do not trust
that lawyer. And certainly if it's a lawyer who is
representing any of the people involved in the case. I've
been in these situations, right, you're gonna make it. If
you're the defense attorney, prosecutor whatever it is, you're gonna
make it as if, oh, this is the easiest call
that's ever existed. I believe Buck that if you are impeached,
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like the reason they brought impeachment two was the idea
of trying to keep Trump from ever being able to
run for elective office. Again, if you are, and again,
this is such an This is me on the fly, right,
It's not like I'm studying the constitution right now and
all of the law so I believe that in order
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to not be able to run, it would have to
be a impeachment proceeding that would say he's no longer
eligible to serve office, because I believe there have been
judges that have been impeached which would keep them from
ever being able to work in the federal government. Again,
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there have not certainly been any any presidents that have
been impeached and removed from office. Right the first part
of the impeachment house, then you have to get sixty
seven votes in the Senate in order to keep you
from being eligible to be president anymore. So this is
the fourteenth Amendment, Section three. It prohibits those who had
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engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States or
given aid or comfort to the enemies. There is sorry couch.
That's the Civil War. So they were saying that if
you were a Confederate soldier, that's when that was passed.
This is what they tried to apply to Marjorie Taylor Green,
and the court disallowed it because the plane reading of that,
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and this is the plane reading of that, is this
was designed for someone who actually took up arms against
the United States government. In other words, Robert E. Lee
and Jefferson Davis and all the I'm a Civil War
history but they were, you know, they so so this
is already you're you're saying, this is already because now
this is where they're trying to claim, um that that
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is that that is the way that they could prevent
you know, looking at it, and that's the that's the
that's the legal argument that they tried to use to
keep Marjorie Taylor Green from being able to return to Congress.
But I'm telling you they still think they can use
it against Trump said, I don't think, you know, I
don't think that would in any way be effective. That
is what I'm saying. I mean, but they tried to
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use it against Marjorie Taylor Green in Georgia, and that
was tossed out. I believe, again, this is such a
tenuated crazy jurisprudence. I don't have that case in front
of me right now, but if I remember correctly, I
leave they tossed out that idea because it was designed
specifically that aspect of the Fourteenth Amendment to apply to
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Confederate soldiers who had taken up arms against the United
States government. But yes, you're right, they're gonna try to
do anything they can to keep Trump. Here's the deal, though, Buck,
I don't think they actually want him not to be
able to run. To me, the play here is to
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weaken Trump in the general election while strengthening him in
the Republican race, So they want Trump to be the nominee.
I understand some of you out there are saying, oh,
this is about trying to keep Trump from running because
they're afraid he's gonna win. I don't think that's true
at all. I think they know that Trump is strengthened
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with charges in the Republican nomination battle, but he is
simultaneously weakened in a general election against Bien. It makes
him the candidate, and it sets him up to be
a weaker candidate. That's right, That's what they want. That's
what they want. That's what they're trying to do here.
And if you doubt me, I just wanted to play
this because this is understand we're dealing in a propaganda
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media era. Here is a montage of media on MSNBC
and CNN gleefully reacting to Trump being charged with a crime.
Doesn't matter what the crime is, they are just ecstatic.
Listens Alert, here. We have just gotten word former President
Donald Trump has been indicted. NBC News has learned a
New York grand jury has just voted to indict former
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President Donald Trump. We have some breaking news and it
is historic news out of Lower Manhan right now the
federal jury. A grand jury has voted to indict former
President Trump. Finally happened. A New York grand jury has
voted to indict former President Trump. Three minutes before I
walked out on the stage here, the New York Times
reported a New York grand jury voted to indict former
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President The Jay and Donald J. Trump now stands for jail, lady, justice,
grab Trump. All right, there you go. They want him indicted,
Democrats want him in the ring against Joe Biden. It
is an unprecedented, uncharted era in American legal history. We
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went two hundred and forty years without one political party
trying to put their chief political opposition behind bars. This
is where we are. Democrats who claimed that they cared
about the sanctity of democracy are showing their hand. All
they care about is raw, naked partisan power, and they
will do themselves everything that they told us Trump would do.
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Imagine the reaction if Trump had tried to put Joe
Biden behind bars. And oh, by the way, there's plenty
of evidence that certainly the Biden crime family has committed
a bevy of felonies which are far more serious than
what man Hattan District Attorney. I want to do another
stake bet on how Joe Biden still won't have his
son charge this year. Because I'm I'm hungry, I'm willing
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to go to go. We went to transcript. I think
I have one a stake bet because I've been saying
Trump would be indicted for a long time. No, but
not not on this, not on Stormy Daniel. No, No,
We're gonna have to have the team go back into
the twenty twenty two animals to find out exactly what
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you do you even remember the Stormy Daniel's thing was.
I mean, there are times where I forgot that they
were even looking into this. Well, I mean again, I
think it's important to note that the federal government reviewed
all of this evidence and decided this is not a bringable,
colorable claim, and then they brought it back, which is
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lines of freedom and truth. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
in just it's a few minutes, you're gonna be joined
by Benjamin Hall of Fox News. He's gonna tell us
about his incredible story of survival and perseverance, never giving up.
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He's got a book out and he is the Fox
correspondent who was grievously wounded in Ukraine. You will remember
the very start of the Ukraine War. He is going
to talk to us about what he went through and
how he's overcoming. He's back home, thank God now with
his wife and children and and and still doing work
for Fox. I just I know we're talking a lot
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about the the legal ramifications of the Trump indictment everything today,
and obviously that's the biggest single story I did just
want to throw out there because we only got a
couple of minutes here that Clay, the data you know
this is I know we're going back to vaccines here
for a second with COVID, but the data from Australia,
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which has both very very granular data it's not that
big of a country and obviously had incredible strict really
the strictest outside of China. I think rules for a
lockdown for any major country, for lockdowns and vaccination, they
made everybody get the shot. There was really no way
to not get the shot, and they just went through.
I think they had was it twelve or thirteen percent
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excess mortality I'm sorry, twelve percent excess mortality for twenty
twenty two. The data is finally in its twenty twenty three,
which is another way of saying that even after the
whole country was vaccinated, you can look and see it
did not prevent a lot of death and might have
even created because of the lockdown situations or more people died. Essentially,
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the vaccine in Australia was a giant failure, a giant
to get Alex Berenson on to talk about that latest
data because one of the scariest parts, and of course
this is not going to surprise you. None of the
media out there hardly is talking about it is COVID's
basically over right for all intents and purposes, has been
for a while. People are dying at way outside the
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expected range still all over the world, and the places
with the highest level of death have the highest level
of COVID shot vaccination. So what's going on there, Buck,
I mean, this is again, this is not you and
me just kind of spitballing. This is what the data
is reflecting. Now you could potentially say, oh, tons of
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people made poor health choices. They didn't go to the gym,
they didn't work out, they didn't go see their doctor,
and they're dying now at higher rates because we were
massively over indexed on worrying about COVID. Maybe that's it,
but I think that's getting harder and harder of a
case to make with the data. And we'll talk about
that certainly in the days of weeks and months ahead.
Coming up next, we got Benjamin Hall is going to
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Sleeve Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of
the truth. We are joined now by Benjamin Hall, who
was in Ukraine. Fox News Reporter has an incredible story
to share with so many of you out there that
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I think you guys would love. This is now let
me go ahead and give you the backstory here. The
book is out, it is fabulous, and it is saved
a war reporter's mission to make at home you were.
Benjamin is with us now, what is the last thing
you remember before that attack happened, and what was your
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immediate recollection when you became aware of what happened with
that attack. And we're so glad that you have recovered
and that you're going to be there with your family
for years and years to come. Yes, well, I mean
thanks to claim back for having me on. I really
appreciate it. And yes, I think back that day every
single day really, and I think the last thing I
remember was driving home thinking that we had done our
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job really well that day, which filmed some of the
abandoned villagers that have been shelled, no one in sight,
and I just remember thinking in my head, how are
we going to edit this piece, what's the story going
to be, how are we going to put it together?
And out of nowhere, out of the sky, the bomb
started flying rob right at the car, targeted at us.
So that was the last moment that I remember up
to then and cash out and get out of the
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car just before the second bomb hit right next to
us and knocked me out. And then of course I
remember the rest of the day as well. I've managed
to get out of the car, was on fire, leg gone,
foot gone, you know, Shratton across my face, badly injured.
But then I just remember the forty minutes of sitting
there trying to think, how do I get home, how
do I survive? How do I get home to my family?
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So I remember it all very clearly, and you know,
I think back to it every day because I think
it gives me strength to remember that. Hey, Benjamin, it's
buck n What can you tell us about, you know,
the rescue operation to get you out? You know, we
do not have a US military presence in country, So
this is a very different situation than correspondence for example,
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who would have been in Iraq or Afghanistan in previous years.
How did you get out of the country. Well, that's
right then, Jen Griffin, or Pentagon correspondent. She found out
quite quickly, and she spoke to John Kirby, who she
was with at the Pentagon, and he said, look, we
cannot go into Ukraine. It is government policy. No one's
going in to get him. If you can get him
to the border, then we will be there and the
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US military will pick him up and help treat him.
And so it was on her to find a team
who could come and get that. And she knew the
team from Save Our Allies. This is the same incredible
group led by Sarah Verado who got thousands of people
out of Afghanistan when that country fell in The US
pulled out and they had this team together in Poland
for all former military, former intelligence, and they came in
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without knowing where I was. They just knew that the
team had been hit, and they knew that two of
the team were dead, and they just started driving. They
drove the twenty hours in and they tracked me down
badly injured in a small Ukrainian hospital, but they couldn't
get me out of the city. The capital city of
Kiv was almost surrounded by the Russians at that point,
and they couldn't fly me out. They couldn't drive me
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out because of the chapel in my neck. But we
found out through intelligence, or they found out through intelligence.
But the Polish Prime Minister was on a covert vision
to meet to eat Zelenski, and if we could reach
the Polish Prime Minister's train inside Kiev, which is their
equivalent to Air Force one, then we could get out
with the Polish Prime Minister. But that involved breaking through
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the curfew thirty six hour curfew, and that was chet
point to checkpoint through the middle of the night, and
at each one being pulled out of the car by
the Ukrainian soldiers at gunpoint. They thought that we were
Russian team coming in opening up my wounds, checking my
wounds with no pain meds at that point. And so
we had this mad dash through the city to try
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and get to the train, and finally, with minutes to spare,
we got to this train and the evacuation finally was
able to continue and to be completed. But what is
amazing in the book is that it is about these people,
these people who risk their own lives to come in
and save me, who took a look at one picture
and said, there's an American there who needs help. We're
going to go in and get him. And I tell
the backstory as some of the guys who came in,
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people who had lost friends alongside him in Afghanistan in
the rock, who had lost fathers, and they said, we're
not going to let another father die and leave his
children at home. And so it's an incredible story about
how they risk their lives to come and get me
and find a way to get me home and get
me out we're talking to Benjamin Hall. The book is
Saved or Reporter's Mission to Make It Home. What do
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you It was almost exactly a year ago that this
happened to you. How have you changed since then? What
is different in your life? How do you value things
in your life differently? Many people have had these in
ear death experiences, have massive changes in their life. How
would you assess your life having changed since then? Yeah,
in many ways, you know, I feel exactly the same
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person sometimes, and I feel like a totally different and
new person in many others. And I just think that
my outlook on life, the things that matter most have changed.
And all the small things that you know you worry
about in life, the little details, none of those matter anymore.
I have this incredibly wide picture of what matters in
the world, and it is family, It is helping others,
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It is you know, the prior to your country doing
the big important things. If we do those things together,
then everything else will sort itself out. And you know,
I appreciate some of these things in a real emotional sense. Now,
I guess feel it. I feel it inside now. I
feel the love for my family and the prior towards
of America, my country, and so I feel different in
that sense. And I also just think that we don't
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pay enough attention to those things sometimes in life. You know,
we have to work hard and we have to do
it for one another, and if we do that, we're
going to be in a better place. And that's how
I plan on continuing my life. Now, Benjamin, what can
you tell us about your plan's not going forward? I mean,
would you you're you're continuing, I know, to work with Fox.
What are your goals now? What do you want to
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be doing now? Well, the most important thing is I
want to keep moving for towards you know. And I
do the book too, and of course I talk about
what happened to him, and it's an incredible story. But
in my mind, I'm looking forward. I'm looking at what
we can do next, not what happened in the past.
And I can't wait to get back to work. I
want to start telling stories of some of these heroes
that I met, the heroes who helped me, talking about
some of the incredible things out there, the community of
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people out there. You know, I spent fifteen years covering wars,
and somehow I feel like there's a slight. You asked me,
what have changed about myself? And this is a change
in my work as well. The focus that I want
to want to look at has changed as well, So
I think that's where I want to go next. But
the main thing is I want to keep working again.
You know, having these injuries, you know, losing limbs, it's
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don't stop you from doing anything in life. You know,
you've got to pick yourself up and you've got to
work hard and keep working. And that's that's exactly what
I plan to keep doing. And as soon as possible,
I've got a couple of operations coming up which have
to hold me back. I'll be off my legs for
a while, but as soon as those finished, I'll be
be back on a back telling these incredible stories. What
was it like to see your kids? And how much
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did they impact your drive to get out of Ukraine
and keep yourself alive? Everything? Everything. The minute that I
was lying there on the ground that I know very
badly injured, I was telling PR cameraman who hadn't died
at that point, and I was saying, I've got to go.
I'm so injured, We've got to go home, and all
I could think of is how do I get back
to my children? What am I going to do? I'm
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going to crawl to find them. And even when I
was in hospital, every gair, I thought, I'm going to
get better every day. I'm going to walk further today,
and then if I did two steps yesterday and do
three steps today, because I'm going to go home to
see my children. And actually when I got home, I
remember being quite nervous before I saw them, because I
was so afraid that they would be somewhat scared of me,
that their lives would change, that it would be harder
for them. So I entered my house. That when I
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finally came home and I turned the corner and all
those fears disappear. Is they just ran. They ran, and
they hugged me, and you realize that nothing else Matt,
It's father and son and all the other things disappear.
And at that moment of just total joy, where I
realized I'd got everything I'd worked for, everything I'd struggled for,
was right there hugging me. You know, my three girls
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were there, and you know that's what drives me. It's
what drives me every day. The book is Saved a
war reporter's mission to make it home. Please get your
copy today. Benjamin Hall of the author, Benjamin, amazing story.
You're an inspiration, my friend. Thank you so much for
joining us and godspeed going forward. Claimbuck, thanks so much
for having me. Let us speak in Ji, my friends.
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to weigh in. Charlie in Miami, what do you think?
Hey claim? But Charlie, two quick questions regarding Trump, with
all these four plus cases probably going through, I mean,
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isn't a higher probability likelihood that it's going to ultimately
be appealed to the Supreme Court and it gets thrown out?
And then my second question is regarding the manifesto in Nashville.
Where is it? Kaba Clay, you take the court, I'll
take the manifesto, go for it. Yeah, so I think
it is going to be tossed out. Now. The problem
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if you heard us talking to Andy McCarthy, it might
take years because remember let's use New York State as
an example. It has to go all the way through
the New York State courts. Then it has to go
to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court will have
to find a federal related issue that makes reviewing the
New York State Court viable from a federal perspective. Same
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thing would have to happen in Georgia if there were
federal decisions made, like the Department of Justice. That's somewhat
easier because it's straight to the Supreme Court because Supreme
Court has federal jurisdiction after it goes through the circuit
courts and everything else there. So yes, I think this
thing is going to be a long, slow moving legal
process that takes years, and unfortunately they win either way
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in a sense because the process is the punishment. Yes,
the process is the punishment. And then on the manifesto
side of things, we talked about this in some detail yesterday.
Play raise very interesting possibility that there could be some
legitimate details that affect you know, individuals still alive or
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you know, perhaps the families of the deceased. So there,
I wish the law enforcement would just say that so
that there wouldn't be this sense of politicization. I'm still
suspicious of the delay to be to put it mildly,
and I would just also point out that the do
you see this, This just came out yes or the
Bide administration, and the same week that a transgender individual
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engages in a mass murder, including the murder of three
little kids, nine year olds, the Bide administration put out
a proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility. This is from
the White House yesterday. Trans Transgender Day of Visibility celebrates
the joy, strength, and absolute courage of some of the
bravest people I know. I believe also Karen Jean Pierre
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said something on the lines of the White Houses. You know,
heart goes out to all the transgender people who are
under threat right now, something along along those lines. So
that show their focus is They showed up in Tennessee.
We didn't really talk about this, uh and they had
a storming essentially of the Tennessee State capital and Buck.
I don't know if you saw some of these videos,
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they were chanting that there were seven victims. I didn't
see that chance. I saw the videos of the of
the railing of seven fingers and chanting that there were
seven disgusting they were the murderer as a victim in
the Tennessee the Nashville, my hometown, mass killing event inside
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of a school. You know this, this is that's reminiscent
to me of you know, when certain jihadist mindsets, when
they will celebrate the suicide bomber as a martyr. Yes,
you know, that's the level of evil that you cross
over into. You know, a suicide bomber walks into a
pizzeria in Israel and Hamas says, you know, this is
a brave act. The woman who did this was not
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a victim. He was not a victim. But it's a
point of contention for a lot of us. Still, we
want to know what happened. And remember, speaking of the
dishonesty in the media, we have a story up. Bobby
Barackett at OutKick wrote this. CBS News banned their reporters
from referring to the transgender yes aspect of this murder.
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Think about how crazy I think just if a white
guy commits a mass shooting, Imagine the outrage if there
was a hey, we can't mention that this is a
white male. If that directive went out you want to
talk about protected class and who's in positions of power.
When the White House issues a statement that you should
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be praised based on your identity and choices, you are
not a victim class. You're being protected by the most
powerful people in the world. Going into the VIP mailbox
for second, here this is Dave. It writes, this indictment
shows just how scared the deep state. Fear the deep
state is of Trump. Trump is in his first term,
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or rather sorry, Trump in his first term learned how
extensive the deep state is. If he has a second term,
he will really drain the swamp. The deep state, this
includes the mainstream media, will do anything to keep Trump
out if he wins. I fear for him. Let's Dave
Wang and Clay what do you do? I got another
one here. I completely disagree with that. I think this
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if they were afraid of Trump, the best thing they
could do is what they're doing is not what they're
doing right now, because they're putting him to me. This
is what it calls him out on all the bs
about Trump being the biggest threat to the government. If
you truly thought that Trump was hitler, you wouldn't want
him to win. The Republican nomination and run against you. Right.
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This this calls them out on their game plan because
they want Trump because they think Biden is more likely
to beat him. If you really thought he was pure evil,
you wouldn't want him in the ring. Just understand this, everybody.
Alvin Bragg, if this goes the way the Democrats wanted
to runs for governor, I agree with cly on that.
And he's already thinking about how he could run for president. Yeah,
think about that for a moment. Here, we've got lar
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rights in Georgia. The governor does not hold the authority
to commuter pardon. Oh wow, Okay, that authority lies with
the Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles. Good fact check. LR.
I just every governor I've ever if he's grabbed, every
governor that I've ever known about, has the right to
commuter part. And I didn't know that wasn't true in Georgia.
Learned something new. Yeah, And it may be that the
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board puts in front of the governor potential people that
could be pardoned. Again. I when we got that question,
I thought it was a fascinating question. I'm not an
expert in the cotorial parties of Georgia. Yeah, he's This
audience is and we all say this super on it
and the knowledge, the knowledge base that we can draw
upon from all of you is amazing. Georgia is one
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of three states that do not have the ability to
pardon or grant clemency in the governor's office. I did.
I was unaware of that. There you go. It's a
good at both. Let me see. This is also why
I would be anytime you ask a warrior question if
they know the answer to everything, they're lying. A lot
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of times you ask me a question, I guess say,
I don't know. I got to look that up. That's
what most lawyers would say in response to most legal questions.
And credit for our audience for having the time go
look that up. It is an intriguing aspect. If there
are charges brought in Atlanta surrounding the Trump investigation, there well, folks,
rest stuff this weekend, you know, spend some time with
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Welcome in final hour of the week, Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Monstrous numbers of people tuned in to Fox News,
to CNN, and to MSNBC last night. I would bet
that monstrous numbers of you are listening to us today
as well as we obviously have spent the entire show
(00:22):
so far discussing the indictment of former President Trump by
the New York City District Attorney Alvin Bragg. I would
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who is awesome, at the top of the second hour,
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So we have talked about this on so many different levels,
and there's a whole question up right now we have
retweeted from the Clay and Buck account. Does this make
you more or less likely to vote for President Trump?
A lot of people are also saying I should have
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put up a no change at all, because you were
either going to vote for him or against him, and
nothing at this point is changing. And that to me
is the most integral question here, Buck, because we can
talk all about the legality, and I think this is
a crap indictment. I think that a New York Appills
Court should throw it out based on statute of limitations
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and on an expansive and unacceptable definition of this as
a felony. We should also point out that Alvin Bragg
almost never charges people with felon right and often allows
people to plead down from felony to misdemeanor. And here
he is raising a misdemeanor to a felony in an
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effort to go after Donald Trump. But ultimately, what this
boils down to for me, Buck, is not just the
unprecedented nature of these charges and the fact that in
two hundred and forty years, it's never happened before, and unfortunately,
I think it will happen going forward now more frequently,
that political adversaries will face criminal charges, not for those
criminal activities at all, but just because of the political ramifications.
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But ultimately, this question that is the most integral is this,
how do these charges, if at all, impact who's going
to win in twenty twenty four? Because buck when I
look back at Joe Biden becoming the selection of the
Democrat Party, it was they rightly deduced that he was
the best option they had to beat Trump in twenty twenty,
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and then he got a massive assist from COVID. I
believe Trump would have one I've said for a long
time comfortably in twenty twenty if COVID had not upset
the apple cart, changed all the rules and allowed fear
to be the predominant message of Joe Biden's twenty twenty campaign.
I think a lot of women, in particular, a lot
of suburban moms, bought into the idea that Joe Biden
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was going to solve everything. He would take care of COVID,
normalcy would return. That certainly hasn't happened. What's going to
happen if it is Trump and Biden again, things have
to change. Will Trump be able to change the elector
at the outcome and therefore return to the White House.
We asked this question, I think rhetorically, because it's so
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far away that there will be so many indicators that
will have changed. There'll be so many things that will
be at play that we can't even necessarily foresee right now.
What is the state of the US economy, What is
the state of the war in Ukraine? What is the
situation of Trump's legal fights against this indictment? Sure, but
we are all expecting that. Now, if you're the joy
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Georgia Grand Jury and the Georgia prosecutor, why wouldn't you
bring an indictment? Again? Again, the incentives for people in
the position of either brag Or or the case of
the Georgia prosecutor specifically, the incentive is for them to
at least bring it because the same way that I
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think this is important to remember, the journalistic establishment in
this country, because of Trump openly said you remember this.
They started to tell people this, They said it out loud,
and it became really a rallying cry for them in
an era of Trump. The truth is anti Trump. That
became their entire mantra, meaning they no longer were to
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just tell people the facts and let them describe, you know,
or let them decide it was the truth must be
anti Trump. Were no longer journalists. Yea, they're doing something
similar to the law here. The law is no longer
about justice. It's no longer about what the statutes say
and what is in keeping with just outcomes. The law
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is a weapon of anti Trumpism. They are taking the
core institutions that we some people at least take for
granted and they're using them for political purposes in a
way that cannot This can't go back, right, This doesn't
ever get changed. Really, so that part of it for
me is really is very concerning over the long term.
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And I think that as for how this shakes out
for the election, you know, the Democrats, it feels to
me like in their minds, this is their move no
matter what, because let's say Trump wins, well, at least
they'll have had the emotional satisfaction of their Trump to
arrangement syndrome, which is a term we should bring back
this is trumped arrangement to syndrome on display from this
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prosecutor in New York City. So in order to satiate
their trumped arrangement syndrome, they will have brought this charge
and perhaps other charges. And so even if Trump is
able to beat them, and I know, based on our
polling yesterday, about half this audience, maybe fifty five percent,
thinks that Trump will beat them despite all of this.
But for them, it's well, even if that happens, why
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not try to cheat, you know what I mean? Like
they would have lost in their minds if they would
lose by even more if they weren't trying to rig
the system against him. So this is why I see
this as just the beginning. I think the effort grows,
and I can foresee a situation where I do I
might be wrong about this. Couldn't Trump be theoretically prevent
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Now you can run for office as a felon. We
talked to Andy about this for president. For president, you
can be a felon. But aren't there a certain constitutionally
proscribed offenses that you would not be able to hold
high federal office? Such as if they were to go
with incitement to insurrection. I just think that they're going
to take this all the way. Now, that's kind of think.
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I think you would have to be impeached rather than
just charged and convicted by an outside court. And I
also like, so I'm talking about while he's running. Yeah,
I think you could impeach. Again. I could be wrong.
This is all Let me just say this. Any lawyer
who tells you, hey, this is one hundred percent going
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to happen. These are such uncharted waters, do not trust
that lawyer. And certainly if it's a lawyer who is
representing any of the people involved in the case. I've
been in these situations, right, you're gonna make it. If
you're the defense attorney, prosecutor whatever it is, you're gonna
make it as if, oh, this is the easiest call
that's ever existed. I believe Buck that if you are impeached,
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like the reason they brought impeachment two was the idea
of trying to keep Trump from ever being able to
run for elective office. Again, if you are, and again,
this is such an This is me on the fly, right,
It's not like I'm studying the constitution right now and
all of the law so I believe that in order
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to not be able to run, it would have to
be a impeachment proceeding that would say he's no longer
eligible to serve office, because I believe there have been
judges that have been impeached which would keep them from
ever being able to work in the federal government. Again,
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there have not certainly been any any presidents that have
been impeached and removed from office. Right the first part
of the impeachment house, then you have to get sixty
seven votes in the Senate in order to keep you
from being eligible to be president anymore. So this is
the fourteenth Amendment, Section three. It prohibits those who had
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engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States or
given aid or comfort to the enemies. There is sorry couch.
That's the Civil War. So they were saying that if
you were a Confederate soldier, that's when that was passed.
This is what they tried to apply to Marjorie Taylor Green,
and the court disallowed it because the plane reading of that,
(09:05):
and this is the plane reading of that, is this
was designed for someone who actually took up arms against
the United States government. In other words, Robert E. Lee
and Jefferson Davis and all the I'm a Civil War
history but they were, you know, they so so this
is already you're you're saying, this is already because now
this is where they're trying to claim, um that that
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is that that is the way that they could prevent
you know, looking at it, and that's the that's the
that's the legal argument that they tried to use to
keep Marjorie Taylor Green from being able to return to Congress.
But I'm telling you they still think they can use
it against Trump said, I don't think, you know, I
don't think that would in any way be effective. That
is what I'm saying. I mean, but they tried to
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use it against Marjorie Taylor Green in Georgia, and that
was tossed out. I believe, again, this is such a
tenuated crazy jurisprudence. I don't have that case in front
of me right now, but if I remember correctly, I
leave they tossed out that idea because it was designed
specifically that aspect of the Fourteenth Amendment to apply to
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Confederate soldiers who had taken up arms against the United
States government. But yes, you're right, they're gonna try to
do anything they can to keep Trump. Here's the deal, though, Buck,
I don't think they actually want him not to be
able to run. To me, the play here is to
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weaken Trump in the general election while strengthening him in
the Republican race, So they want Trump to be the nominee.
I understand some of you out there are saying, oh,
this is about trying to keep Trump from running because
they're afraid he's gonna win. I don't think that's true
at all. I think they know that Trump is strengthened
(10:48):
with charges in the Republican nomination battle, but he is
simultaneously weakened in a general election against Bien. It makes
him the candidate, and it sets him up to be
a weaker candidate. That's right, That's what they want. That's
what they want. That's what they're trying to do here.
And if you doubt me, I just wanted to play
this because this is understand we're dealing in a propaganda
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media era. Here is a montage of media on MSNBC
and CNN gleefully reacting to Trump being charged with a crime.
Doesn't matter what the crime is, they are just ecstatic.
Listens Alert, here. We have just gotten word former President
Donald Trump has been indicted. NBC News has learned a
New York grand jury has just voted to indict former
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President Donald Trump. We have some breaking news and it
is historic news out of Lower Manhan right now the
federal jury. A grand jury has voted to indict former
President Trump. Finally happened. A New York grand jury has
voted to indict former President Trump. Three minutes before I
walked out on the stage here, the New York Times
reported a New York grand jury voted to indict former
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President The Jay and Donald J. Trump now stands for jail, lady, justice,
grab Trump. All right, there you go. They want him indicted,
Democrats want him in the ring against Joe Biden. It
is an unprecedented, uncharted era in American legal history. We
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went two hundred and forty years without one political party
trying to put their chief political opposition behind bars. This
is where we are. Democrats who claimed that they cared
about the sanctity of democracy are showing their hand. All
they care about is raw, naked partisan power, and they
will do themselves everything that they told us Trump would do.
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Imagine the reaction if Trump had tried to put Joe
Biden behind bars. And oh, by the way, there's plenty
of evidence that certainly the Biden crime family has committed
a bevy of felonies which are far more serious than
what man Hattan District Attorney. I want to do another
stake bet on how Joe Biden still won't have his
son charge this year. Because I'm I'm hungry, I'm willing
(13:01):
to go to go. We went to transcript. I think
I have one a stake bet because I've been saying
Trump would be indicted for a long time. No, but
not not on this, not on Stormy Daniel. No, No,
We're gonna have to have the team go back into
the twenty twenty two animals to find out exactly what
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you do you even remember the Stormy Daniel's thing was.
I mean, there are times where I forgot that they
were even looking into this. Well, I mean again, I
think it's important to note that the federal government reviewed
all of this evidence and decided this is not a bringable,
colorable claim, and then they brought it back, which is
why I think their statute of limitations issues. They've been
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in just it's a few minutes, you're gonna be joined
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He's got a book out and he is the Fox
correspondent who was grievously wounded in Ukraine. You will remember
the very start of the Ukraine War. He is going
to talk to us about what he went through and
how he's overcoming. He's back home, thank God now with
his wife and children and and and still doing work
for Fox. I just I know we're talking a lot
(15:32):
about the the legal ramifications of the Trump indictment everything today,
and obviously that's the biggest single story I did just
want to throw out there because we only got a
couple of minutes here that Clay, the data you know
this is I know we're going back to vaccines here
for a second with COVID, but the data from Australia,
(15:54):
which has both very very granular data it's not that
big of a country and obviously had incredible strict really
the strictest outside of China. I think rules for a
lockdown for any major country, for lockdowns and vaccination, they
made everybody get the shot. There was really no way
to not get the shot, and they just went through.
I think they had was it twelve or thirteen percent
(16:17):
excess mortality I'm sorry, twelve percent excess mortality for twenty
twenty two. The data is finally in its twenty twenty three,
which is another way of saying that even after the
whole country was vaccinated, you can look and see it
did not prevent a lot of death and might have
even created because of the lockdown situations or more people died. Essentially,
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the vaccine in Australia was a giant failure, a giant
to get Alex Berenson on to talk about that latest
data because one of the scariest parts, and of course
this is not going to surprise you. None of the
media out there hardly is talking about it is COVID's
basically over right for all intents and purposes, has been
for a while. People are dying at way outside the
(17:04):
expected range still all over the world, and the places
with the highest level of death have the highest level
of COVID shot vaccination. So what's going on there, Buck,
I mean, this is again, this is not you and
me just kind of spitballing. This is what the data
is reflecting. Now you could potentially say, oh, tons of
(17:26):
people made poor health choices. They didn't go to the gym,
they didn't work out, they didn't go see their doctor,
and they're dying now at higher rates because we were
massively over indexed on worrying about COVID. Maybe that's it,
but I think that's getting harder and harder of a
case to make with the data. And we'll talk about
that certainly in the days of weeks and months ahead.
Coming up next, we got Benjamin Hall is going to
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was in Ukraine. Fox News Reporter has an incredible story
to share with so many of you out there that
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I think you guys would love. This is now let
me go ahead and give you the backstory here. The
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Benjamin is with us now, what is the last thing
you remember before that attack happened, and what was your
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immediate recollection when you became aware of what happened with
that attack. And we're so glad that you have recovered
and that you're going to be there with your family
for years and years to come. Yes, well, I mean
thanks to claim back for having me on. I really
appreciate it. And yes, I think back that day every
single day really, and I think the last thing I
remember was driving home thinking that we had done our
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job really well that day, which filmed some of the
abandoned villagers that have been shelled, no one in sight,
and I just remember thinking in my head, how are
we going to edit this piece, what's the story going
to be, how are we going to put it together?
And out of nowhere, out of the sky, the bomb
started flying rob right at the car, targeted at us.
So that was the last moment that I remember up
to then and cash out and get out of the
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car just before the second bomb hit right next to
us and knocked me out. And then of course I
remember the rest of the day as well. I've managed
to get out of the car, was on fire, leg gone,
foot gone, you know, Shratton across my face, badly injured.
But then I just remember the forty minutes of sitting
there trying to think, how do I get home, how
do I survive? How do I get home to my family?
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So I remember it all very clearly, and you know,
I think back to it every day because I think
it gives me strength to remember that. Hey, Benjamin, it's
buck n What can you tell us about, you know,
the rescue operation to get you out? You know, we
do not have a US military presence in country, So
this is a very different situation than correspondence for example,
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who would have been in Iraq or Afghanistan in previous years.
How did you get out of the country. Well, that's
right then, Jen Griffin, or Pentagon correspondent. She found out
quite quickly, and she spoke to John Kirby, who she
was with at the Pentagon, and he said, look, we
cannot go into Ukraine. It is government policy. No one's
going in to get him. If you can get him
to the border, then we will be there and the
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US military will pick him up and help treat him.
And so it was on her to find a team
who could come and get that. And she knew the
team from Save Our Allies. This is the same incredible
group led by Sarah Verado who got thousands of people
out of Afghanistan when that country fell in The US
pulled out and they had this team together in Poland
for all former military, former intelligence, and they came in
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without knowing where I was. They just knew that the
team had been hit, and they knew that two of
the team were dead, and they just started driving. They
drove the twenty hours in and they tracked me down
badly injured in a small Ukrainian hospital, but they couldn't
get me out of the city. The capital city of
Kiv was almost surrounded by the Russians at that point,
and they couldn't fly me out. They couldn't drive me
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out because of the chapel in my neck. But we
found out through intelligence, or they found out through intelligence.
But the Polish Prime Minister was on a covert vision
to meet to eat Zelenski, and if we could reach
the Polish Prime Minister's train inside Kiev, which is their
equivalent to Air Force one, then we could get out
with the Polish Prime Minister. But that involved breaking through
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the curfew thirty six hour curfew, and that was chet
point to checkpoint through the middle of the night, and
at each one being pulled out of the car by
the Ukrainian soldiers at gunpoint. They thought that we were
Russian team coming in opening up my wounds, checking my
wounds with no pain meds at that point. And so
we had this mad dash through the city to try
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and get to the train, and finally, with minutes to spare,
we got to this train and the evacuation finally was
able to continue and to be completed. But what is
amazing in the book is that it is about these people,
these people who risk their own lives to come in
and save me, who took a look at one picture
and said, there's an American there who needs help. We're
going to go in and get him. And I tell
the backstory as some of the guys who came in,
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people who had lost friends alongside him in Afghanistan in
the rock, who had lost fathers, and they said, we're
not going to let another father die and leave his
children at home. And so it's an incredible story about
how they risk their lives to come and get me
and find a way to get me home and get
me out we're talking to Benjamin Hall. The book is
Saved or Reporter's Mission to Make It Home. What do
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you It was almost exactly a year ago that this
happened to you. How have you changed since then? What
is different in your life? How do you value things
in your life differently? Many people have had these in
ear death experiences, have massive changes in their life. How
would you assess your life having changed since then? Yeah,
in many ways, you know, I feel exactly the same
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person sometimes, and I feel like a totally different and
new person in many others. And I just think that
my outlook on life, the things that matter most have changed.
And all the small things that you know you worry
about in life, the little details, none of those matter anymore.
I have this incredibly wide picture of what matters in
the world, and it is family, It is helping others,
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It is you know, the prior to your country doing
the big important things. If we do those things together,
then everything else will sort itself out. And you know,
I appreciate some of these things in a real emotional sense. Now,
I guess feel it. I feel it inside now. I
feel the love for my family and the prior towards
of America, my country, and so I feel different in
that sense. And I also just think that we don't
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pay enough attention to those things sometimes in life. You know,
we have to work hard and we have to do
it for one another, and if we do that, we're
going to be in a better place. And that's how
I plan on continuing my life. Now, Benjamin, what can
you tell us about your plan's not going forward? I mean,
would you you're you're continuing, I know, to work with Fox.
What are your goals now? What do you want to
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be doing now? Well, the most important thing is I
want to keep moving for towards you know. And I
do the book too, and of course I talk about
what happened to him, and it's an incredible story. But
in my mind, I'm looking forward. I'm looking at what
we can do next, not what happened in the past.
And I can't wait to get back to work. I
want to start telling stories of some of these heroes
that I met, the heroes who helped me, talking about
some of the incredible things out there, the community of
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people out there. You know, I spent fifteen years covering wars,
and somehow I feel like there's a slight. You asked me,
what have changed about myself? And this is a change
in my work as well. The focus that I want
to want to look at has changed as well, So
I think that's where I want to go next. But
the main thing is I want to keep working again.
You know, having these injuries, you know, losing limbs, it's
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don't stop you from doing anything in life. You know,
you've got to pick yourself up and you've got to
work hard and keep working. And that's that's exactly what
I plan to keep doing. And as soon as possible,
I've got a couple of operations coming up which have
to hold me back. I'll be off my legs for
a while, but as soon as those finished, I'll be
be back on a back telling these incredible stories. What
was it like to see your kids? And how much
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did they impact your drive to get out of Ukraine
and keep yourself alive? Everything? Everything. The minute that I
was lying there on the ground that I know very
badly injured, I was telling PR cameraman who hadn't died
at that point, and I was saying, I've got to go.
I'm so injured, We've got to go home, and all
I could think of is how do I get back
to my children? What am I going to do? I'm
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going to crawl to find them. And even when I
was in hospital, every gair, I thought, I'm going to
get better every day. I'm going to walk further today,
and then if I did two steps yesterday and do
three steps today, because I'm going to go home to
see my children. And actually when I got home, I
remember being quite nervous before I saw them, because I
was so afraid that they would be somewhat scared of me,
that their lives would change, that it would be harder
for them. So I entered my house. That when I
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finally came home and I turned the corner and all
those fears disappear. Is they just ran. They ran, and
they hugged me, and you realize that nothing else Matt,
It's father and son and all the other things disappear.
And at that moment of just total joy, where I
realized I'd got everything I'd worked for, everything I'd struggled for,
was right there hugging me. You know, my three girls
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were there, and you know that's what drives me. It's
what drives me every day. The book is Saved a
war reporter's mission to make it home. Please get your
copy today. Benjamin Hall of the author, Benjamin, amazing story.
You're an inspiration, my friend. Thank you so much for
joining us and godspeed going forward. Claimbuck, thanks so much
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what you like on the email faction here. We got
a bunch people in all over the place who want
to weigh in. Charlie in Miami, what do you think?
Hey claim? But Charlie, two quick questions regarding Trump, with
all these four plus cases probably going through, I mean,
(30:03):
isn't a higher probability likelihood that it's going to ultimately
be appealed to the Supreme Court and it gets thrown out?
And then my second question is regarding the manifesto in Nashville.
Where is it? Kaba Clay, you take the court, I'll
take the manifesto, go for it. Yeah, so I think
it is going to be tossed out. Now. The problem
(30:24):
if you heard us talking to Andy McCarthy, it might
take years because remember let's use New York State as
an example. It has to go all the way through
the New York State courts. Then it has to go
to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court will have
to find a federal related issue that makes reviewing the
New York State Court viable from a federal perspective. Same
(30:46):
thing would have to happen in Georgia if there were
federal decisions made, like the Department of Justice. That's somewhat
easier because it's straight to the Supreme Court because Supreme
Court has federal jurisdiction after it goes through the circuit
courts and everything else there. So yes, I think this
thing is going to be a long, slow moving legal
process that takes years, and unfortunately they win either way
(31:08):
in a sense because the process is the punishment. Yes,
the process is the punishment. And then on the manifesto
side of things, we talked about this in some detail yesterday.
Play raise very interesting possibility that there could be some
legitimate details that affect you know, individuals still alive or
(31:29):
you know, perhaps the families of the deceased. So there,
I wish the law enforcement would just say that so
that there wouldn't be this sense of politicization. I'm still
suspicious of the delay to be to put it mildly,
and I would just also point out that the do
you see this, This just came out yes or the
Bide administration, and the same week that a transgender individual
(31:50):
engages in a mass murder, including the murder of three
little kids, nine year olds, the Bide administration put out
a proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility. This is from
the White House yesterday. Trans Transgender Day of Visibility celebrates
the joy, strength, and absolute courage of some of the
bravest people I know. I believe also Karen Jean Pierre
(32:11):
said something on the lines of the White Houses. You know,
heart goes out to all the transgender people who are
under threat right now, something along along those lines. So
that show their focus is They showed up in Tennessee.
We didn't really talk about this, uh and they had
a storming essentially of the Tennessee State capital and Buck.
I don't know if you saw some of these videos,
(32:33):
they were chanting that there were seven victims. I didn't
see that chance. I saw the videos of the of
the railing of seven fingers and chanting that there were
seven disgusting they were the murderer as a victim in
the Tennessee the Nashville, my hometown, mass killing event inside
(32:55):
of a school. You know this, this is that's reminiscent
to me of you know, when certain jihadist mindsets, when
they will celebrate the suicide bomber as a martyr. Yes,
you know, that's the level of evil that you cross
over into. You know, a suicide bomber walks into a
pizzeria in Israel and Hamas says, you know, this is
a brave act. The woman who did this was not
(33:17):
a victim. He was not a victim. But it's a
point of contention for a lot of us. Still, we
want to know what happened. And remember, speaking of the
dishonesty in the media, we have a story up. Bobby
Barackett at OutKick wrote this. CBS News banned their reporters
from referring to the transgender yes aspect of this murder.
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Think about how crazy I think just if a white
guy commits a mass shooting, Imagine the outrage if there
was a hey, we can't mention that this is a
white male. If that directive went out you want to
talk about protected class and who's in positions of power.
When the White House issues a statement that you should
(33:59):
be praised based on your identity and choices, you are
not a victim class. You're being protected by the most
powerful people in the world. Going into the VIP mailbox
for second, here this is Dave. It writes, this indictment
shows just how scared the deep state. Fear the deep
state is of Trump. Trump is in his first term,
(34:20):
or rather sorry, Trump in his first term learned how
extensive the deep state is. If he has a second term,
he will really drain the swamp. The deep state, this
includes the mainstream media, will do anything to keep Trump
out if he wins. I fear for him. Let's Dave
Wang and Clay what do you do? I got another
one here. I completely disagree with that. I think this
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if they were afraid of Trump, the best thing they
could do is what they're doing is not what they're
doing right now, because they're putting him to me. This
is what it calls him out on all the bs
about Trump being the biggest threat to the government. If
you truly thought that Trump was hitler, you wouldn't want
him to win. The Republican nomination and run against you. Right.
(35:02):
This this calls them out on their game plan because
they want Trump because they think Biden is more likely
to beat him. If you really thought he was pure evil,
you wouldn't want him in the ring. Just understand this, everybody.
Alvin Bragg, if this goes the way the Democrats wanted
to runs for governor, I agree with cly on that.
And he's already thinking about how he could run for president. Yeah,
think about that for a moment. Here, we've got lar
(35:27):
rights in Georgia. The governor does not hold the authority
to commuter pardon. Oh wow, Okay, that authority lies with
the Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles. Good fact check. LR.
I just every governor I've ever if he's grabbed, every
governor that I've ever known about, has the right to
commuter part. And I didn't know that wasn't true in Georgia.
Learned something new. Yeah, And it may be that the
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board puts in front of the governor potential people that
could be pardoned. Again. I when we got that question,
I thought it was a fascinating question. I'm not an
expert in the cotorial parties of Georgia. Yeah, he's This
audience is and we all say this super on it
and the knowledge, the knowledge base that we can draw
upon from all of you is amazing. Georgia is one
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of three states that do not have the ability to
pardon or grant clemency in the governor's office. I did.
I was unaware of that. There you go. It's a
good at both. Let me see. This is also why
I would be anytime you ask a warrior question if
they know the answer to everything, they're lying. A lot
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of times you ask me a question, I guess say,
I don't know. I got to look that up. That's
what most lawyers would say in response to most legal questions.
And credit for our audience for having the time go
look that up. It is an intriguing aspect. If there
are charges brought in Atlanta surrounding the Trump investigation, there well, folks,
rest stuff this weekend, you know, spend some time with
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