November 30, 2023 • 36 mins
Will the Newsom-DeSantis showdown bring back debate shows on TV? Public debate is crucial to a functioning republic. Media tries to downplay inflation, pump up economy. Pro-Hamas protesters demonstrate at Fox News building again. Clay and Buck disagree on whether BLM will make a comeback and whether more Jewish voters will vote GOP.
Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuck
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show Podcast. Welcome in our number three Thursday edition
of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
As always, encourage you to go make sure that you
subscribe to The Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show podcast. All
you have to do, search out my name, Clay Travis,
search out Buck Sexton, lots of great stuff as a
(00:20):
part of the podcast network. Now you heard Tutor Dixon
guest hosts of the show last Friday. She is in
that podcast network, the Clay and Buck podcast Network, on
a regular basis, as is our friend Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So all of that underway. Fuck, I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We talked a little bit about this earlier in the show,
but I'm curious to what extent are you setting your
Thursday evening, you know, sort of downtime around making sure
that you watch Ron DeSantis versus Gavin Newsome. Sean Hannity,
who many of you will be listening to in about
(00:56):
an hour, is going to be handling that at that debate.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think it's a huge event.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I've already planned I'm flying up to New York because
I've got the Tunnel the Towers fundraiser on Friday there,
they're gala event and I'm going to order food and
I'm going to kick my feet up, and I'm going
to watch this debate from my hotel room. That is
my evening plans. That is what I am all set for.
I'm gonna treat it like a sporting event. I think
(01:23):
it should be wildly entertaining. Are you also building where
you dv are it? How would you assess your planning
associated with this debate?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh, we got steak in politics night over here. That's
a good one. It's a good one. Household.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
We're cooking up some steaks New York Strip and doing
either the reverse here or the suvid, probably suvid tonight.
Also going to tell everybody I'm a big fan of
the flavor board for steaks. If you haven't seen an
ego on YouTube or somewhere, you'll find it. Where you
really season the steaks after it's cooked, when it's still
very hot.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It soaks up the flavor.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Just a little tip for all of you, because a
lot of the pepper and salt you put it in
the very beginning, some of it gets absorbed, some of
it comes off. Okay, side note, Here's why I I'm
looking forward to watching this. I appreciate. Yesterday Viveke was
like that debate is crap. I don't even care. He was,
by the way, is.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
What I would say if I were a vake.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Too, I was gonna say if I'm h yeah, sure,
but it's actually not crap. It's going to be interesting,
and I think it's it's something that you know, I'm
gonna be watching at home. A lot of my friends
down here in Florida are watching. Might have had a
few friends over. My brothers may come by so here.
Here's the thing. Yeah, because if you're a vake, you
don't want any attention for Ron to say as a candidate, right,
(02:39):
I want to see more high level debate. That is
my my fundamental premise in American politics, in American media,
we have gotten to a place now where no one
has to defend their positions anymore. You know, no one
is is really pushed and feels like and people can say, oh, well.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
How do we change this?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, you need to have people that feel that there's
a pressure from the public for them to have to
actually stand up and do it. I mean, you have
two got two governors, national level political figures, representative of
their respective ideologies, who are going to be laying out,
you know, what it is that they're trying to accomplish
(03:21):
and why they do what they do. This is what
people need to hear Clay, I feel like, I mean,
I've said this before when when I first got into media,
I came from an era of watching things like Crossfire
and Firing Line and these different shows, and that's gone now.
I mean even it used to have a lot more. Honestly,
used to have a lot more debate on Fox. You know,
(03:42):
high level people from the Democrats side would go on
Fox and those were the clips that would go viral.
I feel like no one debates anymore. So I'm not
saying this is going to change all that, but there
may be follow on to it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
There may be, So for me, it's just this is
what needs to start to happen. Yeah, I think this
is all So.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Now, you heard Vivek yesterday say that he thought Gavin
Newsom was going to be the nominee in twenty four He.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Wronged by the way he's wrong, He's that's the second
thing he said in the interview that was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But keep going. I agree with him. I thought he
was brilliant and astute on that take.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But I do think if you told me right now, Okay,
let's take twenty four off the board, what is the
most likely matchup in twenty twenty eight. I would vote
Ron DeSantis against Gavin Newsom for President of the United States,
right because whatever happens with even if you presume that
it's Biden versus Trump, both of those guys are way
(04:38):
too old regardless of what happens. Like Joe Biden, if
he loses, is not going to rematch Donald Trump. And
if Donald Trump loses, I think it would be almost
impossible for him to run for a third term of office.
I say almost impossible at the age of eighty one,
given where he would, you know, four years from now,
that seems highly unlikely. By the way, I think Trump
(04:58):
will win if he's the nominee, so he would be
term limited out. One of those guys gonna be term
limited out. The other one I think is going to
be too old. I think we will get a turning
of the page, a brand new generation in twenty twenty eight.
To me, this is the first It's like a preseason
game for what might well be the twenty twenty eight
presidential election. And I don't know that there is a
(05:19):
better this to me, just you know, strip aside everything else.
To me, the most consequential thing that's happened in this
country in the twenty first century is COVID in our
response to it, leaving aside nine to eleven. But in
the last twenty years, the most consequential thing that's happened
is nine to eleven in our response to it. We
still never have gotten a direct opportunity for people to
(05:44):
vote on who made the right decisions associated with COVID.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We never had that right.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You've got referendums where different incumbents, whether they're Democrats or Republicans,
they all won. Right there at twenty twenty two. Everybody
hates every politician. The only guy who lost was Nevada's governor,
the lack or whatever that was, like, the only statewide
incumbent who lost. Even this idiot uh Basher, who got
everything wrong in the red state of Kentucky won as
(06:09):
an incumbent re election. Everybody won. It didn't matter what
decision you made. One by more against our friend Tutor Dixon.
I mean, you know you you look at.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
The opportunity for the people to vote on COVID, and
it did not go the way that sanity and accountability
would have wanted to. I would just say this, though, Clay,
back to my point about a public debate, and keep
in mind, it's not even just that in the media,
the you know, rock em sock em throwdowns on TV.
(06:40):
I mean, I remember I used to go on that
side media Eye, which if you're not in the media
you probably maybe don't even know about, but it's and
it was just clips of people fighting on cable news
all day. It was great because you'd see the best
cable news fight's. There's basically no cable news fights anymore
because nobody goes on each other's channels. It's even more
than that, though, I mean, look, it's good strategy, but
Trump isn't even debating against his primary opponents, right, I mean,
(07:03):
this is there's this move away and I'm saying this,
you know, taking a guest here or a prediction. I
don't think that Joe Biden's going to debate Donald Trump.
I think he's going to say, we all know what
I stand for, what he stands for, and I'm not
going to platform that insurrectionist or something like that. I
don't think he's going to debate Donald Trump. So when
I say we've moved away from debate, it's much bigger
(07:24):
even than just oh, we need like ratings on TV
and no. People should if they want power and they
want to tell you what you have to do, and
they want to shape laws and they want to take
policy action, they should be willing to say here's why,
and subject themselves to appropriate people who also have a
knowledge of what's going on to push back on this.
(07:44):
People who push the worst policies would have been able
to do it the way that they did if there
was an expectation that either the press or other you know,
that they would have to actually defend their positions. We've
just gotten away from this now.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, and everybody wants to talk about threats to democracy
in January sixth. To me, the biggest threat to democracy
is when you are objectively wrong as a leader and
there are no consequences for your wrongness. I'm not talking
about Hey, we've got a debate about what the tax
rate should be for corporations, and somebody says it should
be twenty percent, and somebody else says no, it should
(08:21):
be thirty five percent. I'm talking about there were many governors,
including Gavin Newsom, who shut down schools four years. Objectively,
the kids that could least afford to have school shut
down were the least able to get an education during
that period. Gavin Newsom failed the children of California. He
(08:42):
failed the small businesses of California. That's why over a
million people have left his state. And yet he has
for the most part, rejected all consequences for his decision making,
and there has been none. And so to me, what
should happen in twenty twenty four? Again, I'm saying should
because if you are a diehard Trump supporter, or you're
(09:03):
a diehard Nicky Haley supporter, or whatever, the two guys
who represented bit states and made the most different decisions
as representatives of those states as leaders of those states
were Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom. Yesterday we talked buck
about Disney World versus Disney Land. I think it's a
(09:24):
perfect metaphor for how right Ron DeSantis was and how
wrong Gavin Newsom was.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So tonight, i am hoping that Ron.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
DeSantis absolutely fullays Gavin Newsom because all the facts are on.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
His side, and if he does, this is the question.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I think it's a preview for twenty twenty eight regardless,
and I think it's an election that would make a
lot of sense for twenty twenty four because we'd finally
have a referendum on COVID. But buck if he does,
here's the big question coming out of tonight. If Ron
DeSantis goes out and he crushes Gavin Newsom, does it
(10:01):
change the trajectory of twenty twenty four? I think it's
a preview for twenty twenty eight. It's like when two
really good teams in the NFL play in the early
part of the season and the super Bowls coming later.
I think a super Bowl in twenty eight might be
between those two guys. But does it alter anything that
happens tonight? The way people think for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's it's style versus substance, really, and so I get that.
I'm very certain is going to be my takeaway, just
because the substance is entirely on DeSantis's side, based on
all the metrics that you can actually count, all the
numbers that you can tabulate, whereas a Gavin Newsom, it's
(10:42):
about you know, hey like women's rights and growth and diversity,
and you know it's just it's.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Just all sort of inequity. And I love your I
love your Gavin Newsom voice. Thank you equity and inclusion.
I think he's going to show up at.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
A debate with like with like four buttons down, you know,
showing a lot of man chest.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think he might see his nipple. I think I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna toss it out there. I
think Gavin Newsom might if he turns the right way.
I think he might flash some nip. I mean, the
amount of Gavin Newsom love from women is like women
should have to defend themselves in California for falling for
this dude.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Women are like, oh, we need more good guy.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You ever, you always hear women like complain about needing
more good guys and then like the good guy sitting
by himself at the end of the bar and nobody
will talk to him. Like women go for flashing substance
like Gavin Newsom over like the nitty gritty, like bring
home the bacon guy all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And Gavin Newsom is a perfect representation of that. Yeah,
I mean, he's he's.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
The political equivalent of the guy who shows up on
the harley with the tattoos on his shoulders to pick
up your daughter when she's college age or something. You're like, wait,
who is this guy? Where did he come from? Like, well,
you know, he's revving the motor out there. He's like,
come on, sweetie. So you know, Gavin Newsom is all
about the appearance, the appearance of leadership and vision and
(11:59):
all this, but his state is and I always like
to point this out too. I mean, I grew up
as a New Yorker somewhat jealous of California. We'll come
back to this play in a moment, because we're obviously
both pretty fired up.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
About this DeSantis Newsom debate tonight.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But first off, look this holiday season, the Tunnel the
Towers Foundation is delivering on its ongoing commitment to do
good and never forget the sacrifices of America's greatest heroes.
During their annual season of Hope. Between Thanksgiving and Christmas,
the Foundation is delivering mortgage free homes to dozens of Americans,
severely injured first responders and gold starn fallen first responded families.
(12:38):
One hero who received a home during the foundation season
of Hope is Captain James Howard. Captain Howard served for years,
mostly the eighty second Airborne Division and training for special Forces,
but he sustained many serious injuries. Today he is a
C five quadriplegic who lost his hand in leg functions
and is paralyzed from the chest down. Talented Towers gave
Captain James Howard and his family a fully adapted, mortgage
(13:01):
free home to ease a financial burden and make the
day to day movements of his life easier. Clay and
I donate every month, and we really encourage you to
police consider doing the same. Tunnel to Towers is such
a worthy organization and it is keeping our sacred commitment
to our heroes who have sacrificed so much. Donate eleven
dollars a month during the season of giving to Tunnel
(13:22):
to Towers at T two t dot org. That's t
the number two t dot org.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
From the front Lines of Truth, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
All right, welcome back everybody to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You know, Clay, as we were talking about the reality
here of the Gavin newsom Ron Destantus debate on one
thing that I thought was, really, you know, that's going
to be hanging in the background of all this too,
because I would wonder what the numbers are for California.
But nationwide, you see this that today, based on inflation,
(13:58):
the rise of prices and everything else that's going on nationwide,
Americans need an extra eleven thousand, four hundred dollars to
afford the basics of their day to day gas, food, rent,
or mortgage. You know pretty much stage here, it's like
you're renting it from the bank. You know, these are
(14:20):
these are the kind of numbers that if I if
we had a media that wasn't and I know this
is the oldest thing in conservative media saying, oh the
media is so biased and liberal, but clay eleven four
hundred dollars, I mean, that's just a lot of money, period.
That's a lot of money for people that right now
are running up credit card deck getting behind on car payments.
(14:40):
It's getting messy out there right now.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I saw that, and several of these media organizations simultaneously
also had stories saying, I don't understand why people don't
realize how good the economy is. And it's funny when
you see some of these articles side by side, like
everyone should just be thankful that bidnomics is the greatest
thing that's ever occurred in the history of the country.
And then simultaneously you have stories where people are scrambling
(15:07):
to be able to afford basics. And I think a
huge part of this is and I keep hammering it
because it is such a massive talking point that I
think a lot of people are missing. Inflation is now
embedded forever. So the fact that inflation comes back down
to two percent is fine, but if you look at
what things cost now, the price is never coming back down.
(15:28):
And so a big part of this is rent and
housing because if you didn't buy a home, if you
are listening to us, and I hate to say it,
but if you're listening to us right now and you
are twenty eight or thirty two or thirty four, and
you've been saving money for your whole life to try
to put a down payment on a house, you miss
two and a half or three percent interest, And unfortunately,
(15:51):
you haven't seen prices on homes come back down. They've
actually continued to go up what we probably need. And
this is unfortunate, but it's a reality based on what's
happened with cost of housing. Cost of housing relative to
wages has basically never been higher. There are many parts
of the country right now where if you have a
normal job and you have a normal life, you have
(16:14):
almost no hope of being able to buy a home
in that city, and I would suggest maybe consider if
you can moving somewhere else that's more affordable. But the
problem is prices should come down when mortgage rates go up.
But I think eighty percent of people right now who
have mortgages have low rate mortgages. They're not going to
put their houses on the market, and therefore we have
(16:36):
the lowest number of houses ever in the last thirty years,
I think selling right now, there's.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Almost no inventory.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So the lack of inventory is still driving up housing costs,
which means you have, right now, if you're trying to
enter the home buying market, the highest mortgage rates in
twenty some odd years, and prices are continuing to go up,
meaning unless you're rich, legitimately it's almost impossible to find
a home you can afford.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And this is where I start to feel like a
contrarian impulse. Right now for the economy, Clay, it seems
like there's been a little bit of an exhalation. A
soft landing is upon US. Rates are going to come down,
Inflation is going to be under control.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, but maybe there's a.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Lot on the books of banks, and a lot of
commercial mortgages and a lot of things that are kind
of being hidden away that it all start may coming
tumbling down. This is my way of saying, I'm starting
to worry that while everyone's you know, supposed to be breathing,
they're not breathing easier because of pricing them. While they're
supposed to be breathing easier, we could be Maybe next
(17:42):
year is when an actual recession hits. And I know
they're going to try to do everything they can to
avoid it. But just because they want to avoid it
doesn't mean that they can, right, And so I'm I'm
starting to feel a little weird about this economy. But look,
there's not a week that goes by without another conference
on Artificial Intelligence and implications for SID and business. AI
is massive. It's gonna change the way so much business
(18:05):
is done. It's gonna change things in your life. And
AI is just gonna be getting bigger and bigger all
the time. But as we're just talking about the economy
feels weird right now. The investment landscape is tricky. But
I want you to check out this AI tech expert,
Colin Teddard's. He's a writer and he thinks that we're
entering a new era now where if you know which
AI stocks are going to move the needle, you could
(18:27):
make big money. He's recommending a new AI company he
says could do better than some of the great wins
he's already recommended in the past. Go to New AI
project dot com now to learn more. That's new aiproject
dot com. NEWAI project dot com paid for by Brownstone Research.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome back again, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through
the Thursday edition of the program. And Buck, I saw
this video last night and for those of you who
don't know, and you thought to yourself, well, maybe those
(19:09):
crazy Palestinian protests against Israel, maybe they would start to
slow down.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
They haven't. Really.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
We're two months in about since the October seventh terror attack,
and last night there was yet another protest in New
York City, tons of flags of Palestine. They were waiving
them widely, including at the Christmas tree outside of outside
of the Fox News headquarters on Sixth Avenue in New
(19:41):
York City.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I've been there a bunch, You've been there a bunch. Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Here is what it sounded like last night, as people
were climbing onto walls around Fox News and chanting this
all right, saying basically, free, free Palestine. From the river
(20:06):
to the sea, Palestine will be free. And then they
also then continued in front of Fox News, chanting shut
it down. At the flood the tree lighting for Gaza,
I believe this was the Rockefeller Center tree.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Why the predominantly Muslim protesters decided to protest a Christmas
tree lighting, because I don't necessarily think of Christmas trees
as being incredibly connected to the Jewish population. But they
were outside of the Fox News tree. I think also
there was supposed to be the lighting of the Rockefeller
(20:44):
Center tree, and so it was kind of just a
jumbled mess. But here they are outside of the Fox
News Christmas tree. Cut five.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay, they're chanting shut it down, as you can well hear.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And this is getting pretty chaotic There were later I
believe some of these protesters arrested.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You'll remember, was it last year that they burned down
the Fox News Christmas tree or maybe it was two
years ago. This is a big Christmas tree right outside
the twelve eleven building on sixth Avenue in the middle
of Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And these people are not crazy person or was that
a protest? No?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
No, no, it was a crazy it was, But I
mean some crazy person burned down the Fox News Christmas
tree because I remember I remember saying, you know, you
need to do I was talking to the Fox News
execs and I was like, look, we need to.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Do more programming in Nashville. I can't guarantee everything's going
to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't think anybody's going to burn down your Christmas
tree in Nashville and in much of the country, I
think that would be true too. But this is now
at least two Fox News Christmas Tree related events.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But this is these people who are angry at Israel.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's not doesn't seem to me Buck getting the temperature
dialed down to any degree, right, And we're coming now
into the Christmas season and these people are still just
as angry as they were two months ago.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well, the military campaign is currently paused, as we know,
because of the hostage swaps that have happened in Or
I should say, yeah, the swaps four hostages. Israel has
people who are in prison who are combatants and they
release some of them. Meanwhile Hamas has like babies and
elderly people. But there's this, You can tell there is
(22:31):
a hope among many people who are perhaps not as
openly pro Hamas or you know, crying on behalf of Palestine,
that somehow this just results in a permanent cease fire
and that Israel is not going to do what it
has to do here, which I think would.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Be a huge mistake.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I don't think the Israelis are going to do that.
But as long as there is either military action by
Israel or the imminent reality of military action, I think
these protests are likely to continue. And you one thing
about this I thought was just what is the point
of these protests? I remember thinking this at various times,
whether it's during BLM riots or what I mean is
(23:12):
not why do they say they're protesting clay? But what
would they actually think is being accomplished by these protests?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And it really does remind me.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean, if you go back and you read Rules
for Radicals, spent a lot of time thinking about and
talking about that. Because of my days working for Glenn Beck,
and he brought Rules for Radicals forward. It became a
thing that the American people all of a sudden knew
about and paid attention to thanks to Glenn the idea
of political mobilization as something that is enjoyable for the
(23:45):
people who are involved in it. This is that I
think a lot of these pro Palestine protests are are
just surly malcontents.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Who are looking for an excuse to.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Bang drums, to shout, to yell at people, including the
yell you know, profanity and threats of people. I saw
some video of one of these protests where they were shouting.
One guy was shouting anti anti Semitic slurs a a guy.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean, this is but for these people, it's almost
a you know, they just want to vent their spleen.
You know, they just want to.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Be It's an excuse to make a lot of noise,
draw attention to yourself because you're not.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
No one's saying. All the guys who were at the
Christmas at the Christmas Tree in front of Fox. They
got a point. I'm on board with them, like you know,
they change my mind. I actually think.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Tubac, it's about social media because I think people want
to get their picture at the protest to post on
social media so everyone can see how good of a
person they are. I remember we posted we talked about
this in the first hour of the show. But Elon
Musk I thought in his deal book comments was so
interesting about this because, and I'm paraphrasing him, but there's
(24:57):
this massive demand from people who are not actually doing
anything good to claim that they're doing something good when
they're actually sometimes engaged in acts that are profoundly evil.
And I really do wonder in the same way, you know,
during the BLM protests, do you remember how many people
(25:18):
you saw like posting a picture of themselves in the
middle of the BLM protests in the same way that
someone would post a picture of themselves on a fancy
beach vacation. It's to show people, hey, look at me,
look at what I'm doing. It's personal branding, and it
is such a weird world. And I know a lot
(25:38):
of you out there are are older, and you know,
maybe you post pictures of your grandkids on Facebook or something,
but you're not really plugged in. Every person in an
age of social media has to feel like they have
a personal brand. And your personal brand is not just
something that you support, although it can be, it's also
what you're against. And I think it's fundamentally changed the
(25:59):
way that national discourse occurs because I remember, and I
met you do too, Buck. When I was a kid,
I remember my grandma saying, there's two things people should
never talk about. She was, you know, eighty years old
at the time, and politics. Religion and politics two things, right,
And that was pretty common I think a lot of
(26:20):
times in the seventies, eighties, nineties, like you kind of
just got used to what and religion. It wasn't like
you were in the era in which I grew up
in Buck, it was like you were Church of Christ,
or you were Baptist or I mean you were in
some way religious, right, but it wasn't you just didn't
even talk about your particular religious you know, discipline. It
(26:41):
wasn't like there were a lot of Muslims or a
lot of Jews around where I grew up in the South.
It was primarily you were just one faction of Protestant
and you just didn't even talk about that because there
was a difference in you know, relatively small difference in
the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
If you look at history, even different factions of Protestant
or factions of Christian and occasionally they have problems with
each other, occasionally they get a little correct, a little
little too excited about things. But I think, uh that
that what we see.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
What we see now.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, the social media component of it is is huge.
But I really believe so here's the thing, you know
how I think you had said here on the show,
and people have made similar predictions. Bolm will come back
for the for the election year. Yes, because Palestinian issues
are treated as a race issue by the left in America.
(27:32):
It doesn't matter that that's ignorant of the actual truth
of what's you know, on the ground of the demographics
in Israel, because it is I think this is where
the the racial grievance apparatus may push, This may be
the issue going into the election year. They they'll they'll
see how long they can make this go. So this
(27:53):
is also why if you remember one of the loudest
and craziest entities out there on behalf of the Palestinia
early on or different BLM factions. Yeah, why is BLM
so interested in you know, you know, all of a
sudden geopolitics. Ah, because this is for the left a
race issue first and fourth, I'll tell you actually why
I disagree with that when you come back. This is
(28:14):
really interesting point, and I'll tell you when we come
back in the next segment, I'll tell you why I
think it has to be BLM and why this group
will not be able to surpass in the grievance train BLM.
But it's a really interesting discussion that you just just
hit me on here. But in the meantime, we heard
(28:35):
from a listener who was a victim of online identity
theft in the past week during the shopping for Inzy
around Thanksgiving. No sooner did he get a phone call
in text from LifeLock there was evidence of credit card fraud.
Than he checked his credit card balance found one bogus
charge after another. Whoever, the cyber thief was acted quickly,
five purchases in an hour, the biggest being more than
six thousand dollars. The only word to describe the sensation
(28:56):
of having your identity stolen and money being spent in
your name without your permission is blindsided. You have such
an urgency to become a detective yourself trying to figure
out how your credit card got into the wrong hands,
particularly if you're still carrying the actual credit card. Lifeloks
online system scan through billions of transactions every week, seeing
patterns of sudden spending on accounts, or accounts being opened
(29:19):
in your name, or unusual purchases made in unusual places.
If and when you're a victim of identity theft, Lifelok
assigns you a restoration specialist so you can work to
restore your good name in no time. It's easy to
help protect yourself with LifeLock. Join now save twenty five
percent off your first year with promo code Clay.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Call one eight hundred LifeLock or head to LifeLock dot
com use promo code Clay for twenty five percent off.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know them as conservative radio hosts, now just get
to know them as.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Guys on this Sunday Hang podcast with Clay and Fucks.
Find it in their podcast feed, on the iHeartRadio app,
or wherever you get you.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
We're gonna be closing up shop here today on play
and Buck thanks so much for rolling with us, and
because parting is such sweet sorrow from all of you,
we want to remind you that you can listen to
the Clay and Buck podcast on demand. Also, we've got
other podcasts that go into the feeds. You've got new
fresh content that you can't even hear on our wonderful
three hour radio show. Download the iHeart Radio app and
(30:23):
please listen there.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
It's a great way to do it.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And I just stumbled upon some third degree black belt
ninja level analysis over here, you know, I mean, really
like just high level stuff, and Clay's like, actually, actually
I don't know about that, and I wasn't saying it
(30:48):
will happen.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I'm just saying it could happen. But it seems to
me that Palestinian.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Issues have become effectively racialized in this country such that
the Left is mobilizing around them and may continue to
do so.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Clay, he says no, Clay says, well, what do you say, sir?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So here's why I think BLM has to come back.
All of the Palestinian mobilization actually is incredibly detrimental to
twenty twenty four chances for Democrats because it is an
identity politics collision because it requires you to choose between
(31:24):
supporting the Palestinians or the Jews, which have traditionally both
been Democrat electorates. They are going to somehow, in my opinion,
Buck have to pivot out of this protest and come
back to BLM because BLM makes the white man the
bad guy, and BLM in theory at least creates identity
(31:45):
politics beneficial to the Democrat Party because they argue, Oh,
America is so racist that unless you support Democrats, there's
going to be This is their argument, black people getting
murdered left and right by these all awful racist police officers.
The ones of whom they focus on Buck are only white.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Remember what happened with Tyree Nichols. Five black guys kill him.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Nobody cares If the black cops do anything, it's got
to be white cops acting out. And so I think
they are going to recognize that this is so detrimental
to their identity politics alliance because it put peels off
both Arab support and Jewish support from Democrats. They'll find
and I hate to say this, I hate to sound
so cynical, but they will find a police officer somewhere
(32:33):
in America that they believe a white guy, that they
are white women, that they believe engaged in a predatory
behavior against a black person excessive force, and they will
turn it into a major national issue again. Now the
question is on top of that they're going to try it,
I war, but I got a couple things to throw
in before you going.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Can we put a pin on the on top of
that actuse? Weally got a few minutes here before we close.
I don't think that, especially once the military side of
things easy. First of all, my actual prediction is that
this is going to fade and by next fall, no
one's even going to be thinking about this issue. But
if you're just talking about where the mobilization of left
this which is really what I'm referring to, like leftissentities
(33:15):
like BLM, they've latched onto this Palestinian issue and they're
pushing this, and I say it's because it's a racialized
issue for them instead of actually what it is, which
is a whole deeper Muslim Christian I'm sorry, Muslim Jewish issue,
but I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Think you're going to see a major change in the
Jewish vote come the election.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Well, and I say that is somebody who couldn't be
more supportive of Israel than this.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
That I think I have been.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
And I think everyone knows my politics and my feelings
on this, but I just don't think you will see
a measurable shift. And now I will say my I mean,
most of my friends here in Florida, a majority of
my social acquaintances here in Florida are Jewish. They say
they think this moment is different. I don't think it
will end up being different when people cast their ballots.
(33:58):
That's my sense of it, because other it's just because
other issues come up and the you know, there's other things.
So I'm not sure they're as worried about the Identity
Politics coalition as what your analysis lays out, because I
think that it will fade, but they'll continue to have
sort of these you know, Palestine protests and things like
that to give the BLM movement something to do.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, it's it's such an interesting question because if you're right,
and it is the new version of BLM, to me,
what it would represent buck is that the left has
lost control of its ability to mobilize identity politics grievance
to drive turnout and actually that it's going to turn
on them because the question at some point all the
(34:42):
resolutions do BLM people forget this. A lot of Republicans
were betting the need to bl in twenty twenty because
that video, that George Flood video.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
The way the way it impacted people when they first
saw it and everything else. There were and and people
got terrified and all of a sudden, you know, they're
they're everyone was running for cover on this issue. Well,
not everyone, like Tucker. There were some people that were saying,
hold on a second, hold on. I think the Tucker
Carlson's best monologues on TV ever, and I used to
watch Tucker, you know, pretty pretty consistently.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Was when everyone was.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Saying, oh my gosh, maybe we could do police reform
at the national level. And He's like, there are lunatics
looting stores everywhere, burning them down, and attacking people, including
attacking cops in the streets. This is anti civilization, Like,
what's going on here? There are some Republicans who were
very oh, let's talk about criminal justice reform now.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
There were lots and look, Trump shared on truth social
a post from somebody who was in the formerly or
currently in the BLM community, saying that he I believe
was going.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
To support Trump.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I think that is where I think the intuition of
Trump was right too, that he could break up identity politics.
The challenge that he ran into was I think COVID
put everything on such steroids. I don't think I think
he underestimated how nasty Democrats would be to paint him
as a racist. And even still he still grew Black,
(36:13):
Asian and Hispanic support. But this is going to be
one of the most important stories I think to follow
is how does the Democrats, how do they reconcile their
identity politics given what's going on right now with all
these protests.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And we shall, uh, you know, we'll see if my
prediction ends up being right on the lack of a
change in support despite all this within certain communities.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
But we gotta leave it there.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I'm gonna go h make sure my stakes are defrosted
and plan out. He's sort of texting and tweeting, so
make sure you check it out. Tonight we'll be watching
as a Sean moderates between Gavin Newsom and Ron de Sante.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Should be fun and thanks everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show Podcast. Welcome in our number three Thursday edition
of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
As always, encourage you to go make sure that you
subscribe to The Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show podcast. All
you have to do, search out my name, Clay Travis,
search out Buck Sexton, lots of great stuff as a
(00:20):
part of the podcast network. Now you heard Tutor Dixon
guest hosts of the show last Friday. She is in
that podcast network, the Clay and Buck podcast Network, on
a regular basis, as is our friend Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So all of that underway. Fuck, I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We talked a little bit about this earlier in the show,
but I'm curious to what extent are you setting your
Thursday evening, you know, sort of downtime around making sure
that you watch Ron DeSantis versus Gavin Newsome. Sean Hannity,
who many of you will be listening to in about
(00:56):
an hour, is going to be handling that at that debate.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think it's a huge event.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I've already planned I'm flying up to New York because
I've got the Tunnel the Towers fundraiser on Friday there,
they're gala event and I'm going to order food and
I'm going to kick my feet up, and I'm going
to watch this debate from my hotel room. That is
my evening plans. That is what I am all set for.
I'm gonna treat it like a sporting event. I think
(01:23):
it should be wildly entertaining. Are you also building where
you dv are it? How would you assess your planning
associated with this debate?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh, we got steak in politics night over here. That's
a good one. It's a good one. Household.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
We're cooking up some steaks New York Strip and doing
either the reverse here or the suvid, probably suvid tonight.
Also going to tell everybody I'm a big fan of
the flavor board for steaks. If you haven't seen an
ego on YouTube or somewhere, you'll find it. Where you
really season the steaks after it's cooked, when it's still
very hot.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It soaks up the flavor.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Just a little tip for all of you, because a
lot of the pepper and salt you put it in
the very beginning, some of it gets absorbed, some of
it comes off. Okay, side note, Here's why I I'm
looking forward to watching this. I appreciate. Yesterday Viveke was
like that debate is crap. I don't even care. He was,
by the way, is.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
What I would say if I were a vake.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Too, I was gonna say if I'm h yeah, sure,
but it's actually not crap. It's going to be interesting,
and I think it's it's something that you know, I'm
gonna be watching at home. A lot of my friends
down here in Florida are watching. Might have had a
few friends over. My brothers may come by so here.
Here's the thing. Yeah, because if you're a vake, you
don't want any attention for Ron to say as a candidate, right,
(02:39):
I want to see more high level debate. That is
my my fundamental premise in American politics, in American media,
we have gotten to a place now where no one
has to defend their positions anymore. You know, no one
is is really pushed and feels like and people can say, oh, well.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
How do we change this?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, you need to have people that feel that there's
a pressure from the public for them to have to
actually stand up and do it. I mean, you have
two got two governors, national level political figures, representative of
their respective ideologies, who are going to be laying out,
you know, what it is that they're trying to accomplish
(03:21):
and why they do what they do. This is what
people need to hear Clay, I feel like, I mean,
I've said this before when when I first got into media,
I came from an era of watching things like Crossfire
and Firing Line and these different shows, and that's gone now.
I mean even it used to have a lot more. Honestly,
used to have a lot more debate on Fox. You know,
(03:42):
high level people from the Democrats side would go on
Fox and those were the clips that would go viral.
I feel like no one debates anymore. So I'm not
saying this is going to change all that, but there
may be follow on to it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
There may be, So for me, it's just this is
what needs to start to happen. Yeah, I think this
is all So.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Now, you heard Vivek yesterday say that he thought Gavin
Newsom was going to be the nominee in twenty four He.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Wronged by the way he's wrong, He's that's the second
thing he said in the interview that was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But keep going. I agree with him. I thought he
was brilliant and astute on that take.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But I do think if you told me right now, Okay,
let's take twenty four off the board, what is the
most likely matchup in twenty twenty eight. I would vote
Ron DeSantis against Gavin Newsom for President of the United States,
right because whatever happens with even if you presume that
it's Biden versus Trump, both of those guys are way
(04:38):
too old regardless of what happens. Like Joe Biden, if
he loses, is not going to rematch Donald Trump. And
if Donald Trump loses, I think it would be almost
impossible for him to run for a third term of office.
I say almost impossible at the age of eighty one,
given where he would, you know, four years from now,
that seems highly unlikely. By the way, I think Trump
(04:58):
will win if he's the nominee, so he would be
term limited out. One of those guys gonna be term
limited out. The other one I think is going to
be too old. I think we will get a turning
of the page, a brand new generation in twenty twenty eight.
To me, this is the first It's like a preseason
game for what might well be the twenty twenty eight
presidential election. And I don't know that there is a
(05:19):
better this to me, just you know, strip aside everything else.
To me, the most consequential thing that's happened in this
country in the twenty first century is COVID in our
response to it, leaving aside nine to eleven. But in
the last twenty years, the most consequential thing that's happened
is nine to eleven in our response to it. We
still never have gotten a direct opportunity for people to
(05:44):
vote on who made the right decisions associated with COVID.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We never had that right.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You've got referendums where different incumbents, whether they're Democrats or Republicans,
they all won. Right there at twenty twenty two. Everybody
hates every politician. The only guy who lost was Nevada's governor,
the lack or whatever that was, like, the only statewide
incumbent who lost. Even this idiot uh Basher, who got
everything wrong in the red state of Kentucky won as
(06:09):
an incumbent re election. Everybody won. It didn't matter what
decision you made. One by more against our friend Tutor Dixon.
I mean, you know you you look at.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
The opportunity for the people to vote on COVID, and
it did not go the way that sanity and accountability
would have wanted to. I would just say this, though, Clay,
back to my point about a public debate, and keep
in mind, it's not even just that in the media,
the you know, rock em sock em throwdowns on TV.
(06:40):
I mean, I remember I used to go on that
side media Eye, which if you're not in the media
you probably maybe don't even know about, but it's and
it was just clips of people fighting on cable news
all day. It was great because you'd see the best
cable news fight's. There's basically no cable news fights anymore
because nobody goes on each other's channels. It's even more
than that, though, I mean, look, it's good strategy, but
Trump isn't even debating against his primary opponents, right, I mean,
(07:03):
this is there's this move away and I'm saying this,
you know, taking a guest here or a prediction. I
don't think that Joe Biden's going to debate Donald Trump.
I think he's going to say, we all know what
I stand for, what he stands for, and I'm not
going to platform that insurrectionist or something like that. I
don't think he's going to debate Donald Trump. So when
I say we've moved away from debate, it's much bigger
(07:24):
even than just oh, we need like ratings on TV
and no. People should if they want power and they
want to tell you what you have to do, and
they want to shape laws and they want to take
policy action, they should be willing to say here's why,
and subject themselves to appropriate people who also have a
knowledge of what's going on to push back on this.
(07:44):
People who push the worst policies would have been able
to do it the way that they did if there
was an expectation that either the press or other you know,
that they would have to actually defend their positions. We've
just gotten away from this now.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, and everybody wants to talk about threats to democracy
in January sixth. To me, the biggest threat to democracy
is when you are objectively wrong as a leader and
there are no consequences for your wrongness. I'm not talking
about Hey, we've got a debate about what the tax
rate should be for corporations, and somebody says it should
be twenty percent, and somebody else says no, it should
(08:21):
be thirty five percent. I'm talking about there were many governors,
including Gavin Newsom, who shut down schools four years. Objectively,
the kids that could least afford to have school shut
down were the least able to get an education during
that period. Gavin Newsom failed the children of California. He
(08:42):
failed the small businesses of California. That's why over a
million people have left his state. And yet he has
for the most part, rejected all consequences for his decision making,
and there has been none. And so to me, what
should happen in twenty twenty four? Again, I'm saying should
because if you are a diehard Trump supporter, or you're
(09:03):
a diehard Nicky Haley supporter, or whatever, the two guys
who represented bit states and made the most different decisions
as representatives of those states as leaders of those states
were Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom. Yesterday we talked buck
about Disney World versus Disney Land. I think it's a
(09:24):
perfect metaphor for how right Ron DeSantis was and how
wrong Gavin Newsom was.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So tonight, i am hoping that Ron.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
DeSantis absolutely fullays Gavin Newsom because all the facts are on.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
His side, and if he does, this is the question.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I think it's a preview for twenty twenty eight regardless,
and I think it's an election that would make a
lot of sense for twenty twenty four because we'd finally
have a referendum on COVID. But buck if he does,
here's the big question coming out of tonight. If Ron
DeSantis goes out and he crushes Gavin Newsom, does it
(10:01):
change the trajectory of twenty twenty four? I think it's
a preview for twenty twenty eight. It's like when two
really good teams in the NFL play in the early
part of the season and the super Bowls coming later.
I think a super Bowl in twenty eight might be
between those two guys. But does it alter anything that
happens tonight? The way people think for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's it's style versus substance, really, and so I get that.
I'm very certain is going to be my takeaway, just
because the substance is entirely on DeSantis's side, based on
all the metrics that you can actually count, all the
numbers that you can tabulate, whereas a Gavin Newsom, it's
(10:42):
about you know, hey like women's rights and growth and diversity,
and you know it's just it's.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Just all sort of inequity. And I love your I
love your Gavin Newsom voice. Thank you equity and inclusion.
I think he's going to show up at.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
A debate with like with like four buttons down, you know,
showing a lot of man chest.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think he might see his nipple. I think I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna toss it out there. I
think Gavin Newsom might if he turns the right way.
I think he might flash some nip. I mean, the
amount of Gavin Newsom love from women is like women
should have to defend themselves in California for falling for
this dude.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Women are like, oh, we need more good guy.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You ever, you always hear women like complain about needing
more good guys and then like the good guy sitting
by himself at the end of the bar and nobody
will talk to him. Like women go for flashing substance
like Gavin Newsom over like the nitty gritty, like bring
home the bacon guy all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And Gavin Newsom is a perfect representation of that. Yeah,
I mean, he's he's.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
The political equivalent of the guy who shows up on
the harley with the tattoos on his shoulders to pick
up your daughter when she's college age or something. You're like, wait,
who is this guy? Where did he come from? Like, well,
you know, he's revving the motor out there. He's like,
come on, sweetie. So you know, Gavin Newsom is all
about the appearance, the appearance of leadership and vision and
(11:59):
all this, but his state is and I always like
to point this out too. I mean, I grew up
as a New Yorker somewhat jealous of California. We'll come
back to this play in a moment, because we're obviously
both pretty fired up.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
About this DeSantis Newsom debate tonight.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But first off, look this holiday season, the Tunnel the
Towers Foundation is delivering on its ongoing commitment to do
good and never forget the sacrifices of America's greatest heroes.
During their annual season of Hope. Between Thanksgiving and Christmas,
the Foundation is delivering mortgage free homes to dozens of Americans,
severely injured first responders and gold starn fallen first responded families.
(12:38):
One hero who received a home during the foundation season
of Hope is Captain James Howard. Captain Howard served for years,
mostly the eighty second Airborne Division and training for special Forces,
but he sustained many serious injuries. Today he is a
C five quadriplegic who lost his hand in leg functions
and is paralyzed from the chest down. Talented Towers gave
Captain James Howard and his family a fully adapted, mortgage
(13:01):
free home to ease a financial burden and make the
day to day movements of his life easier. Clay and
I donate every month, and we really encourage you to
police consider doing the same. Tunnel to Towers is such
a worthy organization and it is keeping our sacred commitment
to our heroes who have sacrificed so much. Donate eleven
dollars a month during the season of giving to Tunnel
(13:22):
to Towers at T two t dot org. That's t
the number two t dot org.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
From the front Lines of Truth, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
All right, welcome back everybody to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You know, Clay, as we were talking about the reality
here of the Gavin newsom Ron Destantus debate on one
thing that I thought was, really, you know, that's going
to be hanging in the background of all this too,
because I would wonder what the numbers are for California.
But nationwide, you see this that today, based on inflation,
(13:58):
the rise of prices and everything else that's going on nationwide,
Americans need an extra eleven thousand, four hundred dollars to
afford the basics of their day to day gas, food, rent,
or mortgage. You know pretty much stage here, it's like
you're renting it from the bank. You know, these are
(14:20):
these are the kind of numbers that if I if
we had a media that wasn't and I know this
is the oldest thing in conservative media saying, oh the
media is so biased and liberal, but clay eleven four
hundred dollars, I mean, that's just a lot of money, period.
That's a lot of money for people that right now
are running up credit card deck getting behind on car payments.
(14:40):
It's getting messy out there right now.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I saw that, and several of these media organizations simultaneously
also had stories saying, I don't understand why people don't
realize how good the economy is. And it's funny when
you see some of these articles side by side, like
everyone should just be thankful that bidnomics is the greatest
thing that's ever occurred in the history of the country.
And then simultaneously you have stories where people are scrambling
(15:07):
to be able to afford basics. And I think a
huge part of this is and I keep hammering it
because it is such a massive talking point that I
think a lot of people are missing. Inflation is now
embedded forever. So the fact that inflation comes back down
to two percent is fine, but if you look at
what things cost now, the price is never coming back down.
(15:28):
And so a big part of this is rent and
housing because if you didn't buy a home, if you
are listening to us, and I hate to say it,
but if you're listening to us right now and you
are twenty eight or thirty two or thirty four, and
you've been saving money for your whole life to try
to put a down payment on a house, you miss
two and a half or three percent interest, And unfortunately,
(15:51):
you haven't seen prices on homes come back down. They've
actually continued to go up what we probably need. And
this is unfortunate, but it's a reality based on what's
happened with cost of housing. Cost of housing relative to
wages has basically never been higher. There are many parts
of the country right now where if you have a
normal job and you have a normal life, you have
(16:14):
almost no hope of being able to buy a home
in that city, and I would suggest maybe consider if
you can moving somewhere else that's more affordable. But the
problem is prices should come down when mortgage rates go up.
But I think eighty percent of people right now who
have mortgages have low rate mortgages. They're not going to
put their houses on the market, and therefore we have
(16:36):
the lowest number of houses ever in the last thirty years,
I think selling right now, there's.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Almost no inventory.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So the lack of inventory is still driving up housing costs,
which means you have, right now, if you're trying to
enter the home buying market, the highest mortgage rates in
twenty some odd years, and prices are continuing to go up,
meaning unless you're rich, legitimately it's almost impossible to find
a home you can afford.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And this is where I start to feel like a
contrarian impulse. Right now for the economy, Clay, it seems
like there's been a little bit of an exhalation. A
soft landing is upon US. Rates are going to come down,
Inflation is going to be under control.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, but maybe there's a.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Lot on the books of banks, and a lot of
commercial mortgages and a lot of things that are kind
of being hidden away that it all start may coming
tumbling down. This is my way of saying, I'm starting
to worry that while everyone's you know, supposed to be breathing,
they're not breathing easier because of pricing them. While they're
supposed to be breathing easier, we could be Maybe next
(17:42):
year is when an actual recession hits. And I know
they're going to try to do everything they can to
avoid it. But just because they want to avoid it
doesn't mean that they can, right, And so I'm I'm
starting to feel a little weird about this economy. But look,
there's not a week that goes by without another conference
on Artificial Intelligence and implications for SID and business. AI
is massive. It's gonna change the way so much business
(18:05):
is done. It's gonna change things in your life. And
AI is just gonna be getting bigger and bigger all
the time. But as we're just talking about the economy
feels weird right now. The investment landscape is tricky. But
I want you to check out this AI tech expert,
Colin Teddard's. He's a writer and he thinks that we're
entering a new era now where if you know which
AI stocks are going to move the needle, you could
(18:27):
make big money. He's recommending a new AI company he
says could do better than some of the great wins
he's already recommended in the past. Go to New AI
project dot com now to learn more. That's new aiproject
dot com. NEWAI project dot com paid for by Brownstone Research.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome back again, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through
the Thursday edition of the program. And Buck, I saw
this video last night and for those of you who
don't know, and you thought to yourself, well, maybe those
(19:09):
crazy Palestinian protests against Israel, maybe they would start to
slow down.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
They haven't. Really.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
We're two months in about since the October seventh terror attack,
and last night there was yet another protest in New
York City, tons of flags of Palestine. They were waiving
them widely, including at the Christmas tree outside of outside
of the Fox News headquarters on Sixth Avenue in New
(19:41):
York City.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I've been there a bunch, You've been there a bunch. Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Here is what it sounded like last night, as people
were climbing onto walls around Fox News and chanting this
all right, saying basically, free, free Palestine. From the river
(20:06):
to the sea, Palestine will be free. And then they
also then continued in front of Fox News, chanting shut
it down. At the flood the tree lighting for Gaza,
I believe this was the Rockefeller Center tree.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Why the predominantly Muslim protesters decided to protest a Christmas
tree lighting, because I don't necessarily think of Christmas trees
as being incredibly connected to the Jewish population. But they
were outside of the Fox News tree. I think also
there was supposed to be the lighting of the Rockefeller
(20:44):
Center tree, and so it was kind of just a
jumbled mess. But here they are outside of the Fox
News Christmas tree. Cut five.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay, they're chanting shut it down, as you can well hear.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And this is getting pretty chaotic There were later I
believe some of these protesters arrested.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You'll remember, was it last year that they burned down
the Fox News Christmas tree or maybe it was two
years ago. This is a big Christmas tree right outside
the twelve eleven building on sixth Avenue in the middle
of Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And these people are not crazy person or was that
a protest? No?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
No, no, it was a crazy it was, But I
mean some crazy person burned down the Fox News Christmas
tree because I remember I remember saying, you know, you
need to do I was talking to the Fox News
execs and I was like, look, we need to.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Do more programming in Nashville. I can't guarantee everything's going
to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't think anybody's going to burn down your Christmas
tree in Nashville and in much of the country, I
think that would be true too. But this is now
at least two Fox News Christmas Tree related events.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But this is these people who are angry at Israel.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's not doesn't seem to me Buck getting the temperature
dialed down to any degree, right, And we're coming now
into the Christmas season and these people are still just
as angry as they were two months ago.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well, the military campaign is currently paused, as we know,
because of the hostage swaps that have happened in Or
I should say, yeah, the swaps four hostages. Israel has
people who are in prison who are combatants and they
release some of them. Meanwhile Hamas has like babies and
elderly people. But there's this, You can tell there is
(22:31):
a hope among many people who are perhaps not as
openly pro Hamas or you know, crying on behalf of Palestine,
that somehow this just results in a permanent cease fire
and that Israel is not going to do what it
has to do here, which I think would.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Be a huge mistake.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I don't think the Israelis are going to do that.
But as long as there is either military action by
Israel or the imminent reality of military action, I think
these protests are likely to continue. And you one thing
about this I thought was just what is the point
of these protests? I remember thinking this at various times,
whether it's during BLM riots or what I mean is
(23:12):
not why do they say they're protesting clay? But what
would they actually think is being accomplished by these protests?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And it really does remind me.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean, if you go back and you read Rules
for Radicals, spent a lot of time thinking about and
talking about that. Because of my days working for Glenn Beck,
and he brought Rules for Radicals forward. It became a
thing that the American people all of a sudden knew
about and paid attention to thanks to Glenn the idea
of political mobilization as something that is enjoyable for the
(23:45):
people who are involved in it. This is that I
think a lot of these pro Palestine protests are are
just surly malcontents.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Who are looking for an excuse to.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Bang drums, to shout, to yell at people, including the
yell you know, profanity and threats of people. I saw
some video of one of these protests where they were shouting.
One guy was shouting anti anti Semitic slurs a a guy.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean, this is but for these people, it's almost
a you know, they just want to vent their spleen.
You know, they just want to.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Be It's an excuse to make a lot of noise,
draw attention to yourself because you're not.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
No one's saying. All the guys who were at the
Christmas at the Christmas Tree in front of Fox. They
got a point. I'm on board with them, like you know,
they change my mind. I actually think.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Tubac, it's about social media because I think people want
to get their picture at the protest to post on
social media so everyone can see how good of a
person they are. I remember we posted we talked about
this in the first hour of the show. But Elon
Musk I thought in his deal book comments was so
interesting about this because, and I'm paraphrasing him, but there's
(24:57):
this massive demand from people who are not actually doing
anything good to claim that they're doing something good when
they're actually sometimes engaged in acts that are profoundly evil.
And I really do wonder in the same way, you know,
during the BLM protests, do you remember how many people
(25:18):
you saw like posting a picture of themselves in the
middle of the BLM protests in the same way that
someone would post a picture of themselves on a fancy
beach vacation. It's to show people, hey, look at me,
look at what I'm doing. It's personal branding, and it
is such a weird world. And I know a lot
(25:38):
of you out there are are older, and you know,
maybe you post pictures of your grandkids on Facebook or something,
but you're not really plugged in. Every person in an
age of social media has to feel like they have
a personal brand. And your personal brand is not just
something that you support, although it can be, it's also
what you're against. And I think it's fundamentally changed the
(25:59):
way that national discourse occurs because I remember, and I
met you do too, Buck. When I was a kid,
I remember my grandma saying, there's two things people should
never talk about. She was, you know, eighty years old
at the time, and politics. Religion and politics two things, right,
And that was pretty common I think a lot of
(26:20):
times in the seventies, eighties, nineties, like you kind of
just got used to what and religion. It wasn't like
you were in the era in which I grew up
in Buck, it was like you were Church of Christ,
or you were Baptist or I mean you were in
some way religious, right, but it wasn't you just didn't
even talk about your particular religious you know, discipline. It
(26:41):
wasn't like there were a lot of Muslims or a
lot of Jews around where I grew up in the South.
It was primarily you were just one faction of Protestant
and you just didn't even talk about that because there
was a difference in you know, relatively small difference in
the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
If you look at history, even different factions of Protestant
or factions of Christian and occasionally they have problems with
each other, occasionally they get a little correct, a little
little too excited about things. But I think, uh that
that what we see.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
What we see now.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, the social media component of it is is huge.
But I really believe so here's the thing, you know
how I think you had said here on the show,
and people have made similar predictions. Bolm will come back
for the for the election year. Yes, because Palestinian issues
are treated as a race issue by the left in America.
(27:32):
It doesn't matter that that's ignorant of the actual truth
of what's you know, on the ground of the demographics
in Israel, because it is I think this is where
the the racial grievance apparatus may push, This may be
the issue going into the election year. They they'll they'll
see how long they can make this go. So this
(27:53):
is also why if you remember one of the loudest
and craziest entities out there on behalf of the Palestinia
early on or different BLM factions. Yeah, why is BLM
so interested in you know, you know, all of a
sudden geopolitics. Ah, because this is for the left a
race issue first and fourth, I'll tell you actually why
I disagree with that when you come back. This is
(28:14):
really interesting point, and I'll tell you when we come
back in the next segment, I'll tell you why I
think it has to be BLM and why this group
will not be able to surpass in the grievance train BLM.
But it's a really interesting discussion that you just just
hit me on here. But in the meantime, we heard
(28:35):
from a listener who was a victim of online identity
theft in the past week during the shopping for Inzy
around Thanksgiving. No sooner did he get a phone call
in text from LifeLock there was evidence of credit card fraud.
Than he checked his credit card balance found one bogus
charge after another. Whoever, the cyber thief was acted quickly,
five purchases in an hour, the biggest being more than
six thousand dollars. The only word to describe the sensation
(28:56):
of having your identity stolen and money being spent in
your name without your permission is blindsided. You have such
an urgency to become a detective yourself trying to figure
out how your credit card got into the wrong hands,
particularly if you're still carrying the actual credit card. Lifeloks
online system scan through billions of transactions every week, seeing
patterns of sudden spending on accounts, or accounts being opened
(29:19):
in your name, or unusual purchases made in unusual places.
If and when you're a victim of identity theft, Lifelok
assigns you a restoration specialist so you can work to
restore your good name in no time. It's easy to
help protect yourself with LifeLock. Join now save twenty five
percent off your first year with promo code Clay.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Call one eight hundred LifeLock or head to LifeLock dot
com use promo code Clay for twenty five percent off.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know them as conservative radio hosts, now just get
to know them as.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Guys on this Sunday Hang podcast with Clay and Fucks.
Find it in their podcast feed, on the iHeartRadio app,
or wherever you get you.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
We're gonna be closing up shop here today on play
and Buck thanks so much for rolling with us, and
because parting is such sweet sorrow from all of you,
we want to remind you that you can listen to
the Clay and Buck podcast on demand. Also, we've got
other podcasts that go into the feeds. You've got new
fresh content that you can't even hear on our wonderful
three hour radio show. Download the iHeart Radio app and
(30:23):
please listen there.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
It's a great way to do it.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And I just stumbled upon some third degree black belt
ninja level analysis over here, you know, I mean, really
like just high level stuff, and Clay's like, actually, actually
I don't know about that, and I wasn't saying it
(30:48):
will happen.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I'm just saying it could happen. But it seems to
me that Palestinian.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Issues have become effectively racialized in this country such that
the Left is mobilizing around them and may continue to
do so.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Clay, he says no, Clay says, well, what do you say, sir?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So here's why I think BLM has to come back.
All of the Palestinian mobilization actually is incredibly detrimental to
twenty twenty four chances for Democrats because it is an
identity politics collision because it requires you to choose between
(31:24):
supporting the Palestinians or the Jews, which have traditionally both
been Democrat electorates. They are going to somehow, in my opinion,
Buck have to pivot out of this protest and come
back to BLM because BLM makes the white man the
bad guy, and BLM in theory at least creates identity
(31:45):
politics beneficial to the Democrat Party because they argue, Oh,
America is so racist that unless you support Democrats, there's
going to be This is their argument, black people getting
murdered left and right by these all awful racist police officers.
The ones of whom they focus on Buck are only white.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Remember what happened with Tyree Nichols. Five black guys kill him.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Nobody cares If the black cops do anything, it's got
to be white cops acting out. And so I think
they are going to recognize that this is so detrimental
to their identity politics alliance because it put peels off
both Arab support and Jewish support from Democrats. They'll find
and I hate to say this, I hate to sound
so cynical, but they will find a police officer somewhere
(32:33):
in America that they believe a white guy, that they
are white women, that they believe engaged in a predatory
behavior against a black person excessive force, and they will
turn it into a major national issue again. Now the
question is on top of that they're going to try it,
I war, but I got a couple things to throw
in before you going.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Can we put a pin on the on top of
that actuse? Weally got a few minutes here before we close.
I don't think that, especially once the military side of
things easy. First of all, my actual prediction is that
this is going to fade and by next fall, no
one's even going to be thinking about this issue. But
if you're just talking about where the mobilization of left
this which is really what I'm referring to, like leftissentities
(33:15):
like BLM, they've latched onto this Palestinian issue and they're
pushing this, and I say it's because it's a racialized
issue for them instead of actually what it is, which
is a whole deeper Muslim Christian I'm sorry, Muslim Jewish issue,
but I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Think you're going to see a major change in the
Jewish vote come the election.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Well, and I say that is somebody who couldn't be
more supportive of Israel than this.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
That I think I have been.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
And I think everyone knows my politics and my feelings
on this, but I just don't think you will see
a measurable shift. And now I will say my I mean,
most of my friends here in Florida, a majority of
my social acquaintances here in Florida are Jewish. They say
they think this moment is different. I don't think it
will end up being different when people cast their ballots.
(33:58):
That's my sense of it, because other it's just because
other issues come up and the you know, there's other things.
So I'm not sure they're as worried about the Identity
Politics coalition as what your analysis lays out, because I
think that it will fade, but they'll continue to have
sort of these you know, Palestine protests and things like
that to give the BLM movement something to do.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, it's it's such an interesting question because if you're right,
and it is the new version of BLM, to me,
what it would represent buck is that the left has
lost control of its ability to mobilize identity politics grievance
to drive turnout and actually that it's going to turn
on them because the question at some point all the
(34:42):
resolutions do BLM people forget this. A lot of Republicans
were betting the need to bl in twenty twenty because
that video, that George Flood video.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
The way the way it impacted people when they first
saw it and everything else. There were and and people
got terrified and all of a sudden, you know, they're
they're everyone was running for cover on this issue. Well,
not everyone, like Tucker. There were some people that were saying,
hold on a second, hold on. I think the Tucker
Carlson's best monologues on TV ever, and I used to
watch Tucker, you know, pretty pretty consistently.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Was when everyone was.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Saying, oh my gosh, maybe we could do police reform
at the national level. And He's like, there are lunatics
looting stores everywhere, burning them down, and attacking people, including
attacking cops in the streets. This is anti civilization, Like,
what's going on here? There are some Republicans who were
very oh, let's talk about criminal justice reform now.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
There were lots and look, Trump shared on truth social
a post from somebody who was in the formerly or
currently in the BLM community, saying that he I believe
was going.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
To support Trump.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I think that is where I think the intuition of
Trump was right too, that he could break up identity politics.
The challenge that he ran into was I think COVID
put everything on such steroids. I don't think I think
he underestimated how nasty Democrats would be to paint him
as a racist. And even still he still grew Black,
(36:13):
Asian and Hispanic support. But this is going to be
one of the most important stories I think to follow
is how does the Democrats, how do they reconcile their
identity politics given what's going on right now with all
these protests.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And we shall, uh, you know, we'll see if my
prediction ends up being right on the lack of a
change in support despite all this within certain communities.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
But we gotta leave it there.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I'm gonna go h make sure my stakes are defrosted
and plan out. He's sort of texting and tweeting, so
make sure you check it out. Tonight we'll be watching
as a Sean moderates between Gavin Newsom and Ron de Sante.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Should be fun and thanks everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show News
Hosts And Creators
Clay Travis
Buck Sexton
Show Links
WebsiteNewsletterPopular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.