October 2, 2023 • 37 mins
RFK Jr. looks like he's running third party. Will he help or hurt Biden? RFK Jr. says he'll take more votes from Trump, Clay and Buck agree. KJP, Kathy Hochul, Eric Adams making fools of themselves on illegal immigration. Bill Clinton calls the border a disaster. Favorite Halloween monsters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of Play and Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Right now, I've got a lot to chat about eight
hundred and two eighty two two eight a two on
the phone lines now, RFK Junior. He had a moment there,
and Play had him on the show. I don't think
I actually got to interview him that day. I know
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it wasn't the first time. I don't think we didn't
have it a second time. I was skeptical that he
would manage to get very far the Democrat party. At
one point he was polling somewhere around the twenty percent
mark for Democrats, and now the more recent polls have
him stuck in the mid mid high single digits, you know,
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seven eight nine percent something like that among Democrats. So
he is not a serious threat to Joe Biden at all.
Right now, that's that's just not going to happen. I
was skeptical that Democrats would allow an upstart challenge like
this to get very far. You'll notice the media really
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froze him out, the Democrat media. It was conservative media
shows like this one that were more interested in what
he had to say, particularly because of his breaking with
Democrat orthodoxy on Fauci and COVID I think he may
have as much disdain for Tony Fauci as I do,
which is saying a lot. That's a pretty impressive bar
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that RFK Junior was able to able to cross.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Threshold. He was able to cross.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So now we have on Friday the revelation I was
sitting there, I just had You're just sweat pouring down
my forehead. I'm carrying. You know, one thing you learn
when you move, don't buy too many lamps and mirrors
because they're impossible. They're breaking, they break, they're heavy, they're
(01:57):
all over the place. Well, how much books way, I
bet you found that out too. Oh, I've I've I've
had to winnow down my book collection so many times
at this point from when i've I've moved and and
so yes, books are heavy. They're easy to pack those
that's easier, but they're heavy. So I'm I'm dealing with
(02:17):
the move and clay text and sure enough, I've got
the possibility RFK Junior third party candidacy. He hinted at
this very much on Friday, And we'll see now where.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
This actually goes. It is my belief.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And people are going to argue about this a lot
that RFK Junior has always had more interest and support
from disaffected Republicans disaffected with the system than Democrats, and
that when push comes to shove, Democrats tend to be
better at falling in line. Now, the er to that
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argument would be Jill Stein in twenty sixteen, who I
think doesn't get very much attention and conservative or Republican
circles these days, because nobody really wants to hear that.
Without Jill Stein, Donald Trump doesn't beat Hillary Clinton. But
there's a very strong case by the numbers to be
made that that's the truth of twenty sixteen. So third
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party candidates can have a massive effect because the way
that our elections are structured these days. Obviously, Ross Perro
back in the day got way more votes than well
maybe would have been anticipated until the votes were actually cast,
and because of that, Bill Clinton, with less than half
the vote, becomes President. Clay, how do you see this?
(03:47):
Because in my mind, all the talks we have about
the border and about the economy and about all these
things could perhaps be nullified and Biden could be effectively
handed a reelection or whoever the Democrat is.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
If people think it's not gonna be Biden.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Because I think that RFK Junior pulls more Republican votes
than Democrat votes. Where do you come down on this?
I'm concerned that you're right about that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And I put up a poll about an hour ago,
and I just said, if RFK Junior runs as a
third party nominee and Trump and Biden are nominees, do
you think he takes more vote from Trump? More votes
from Trump or Biden. Eleven thousand of you have voted
so far, fifty two percent of you say Biden, forty
eight percent of you say Trump. So my audience right
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now voting on Twitter is essentially fifty to fifty and buck.
I've said there're three ways I think Trump beats Biden
in the event that they run against each other. One
way was that there's just lower turnout. I think we
have a stake bet. I expect that there will be less.
I think the total number in twenty twenty was one
hundred and fifty six million, whatever that final tallly was
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roughly one hundred and fifty six million. I think there
will be milli millions less people vote in twenty twenty four.
So I think lower turnout favors Trump third party. I
have been of the opinion that a third party helps Trump.
I'm nervous on this one. And then the third one
I said was Biden's health, that he has some something
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that is just so impossible to ignore, even for Democrats.
In the next year if he's the nominee. I'm nervous
the more I think about it. I think that RFK
Junior helps Biden. And I think we have audio actually
of RFK Junior saying more of his supporters would hurt
Trump than would hurt Biden. Listen to this audio. This
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is an interview that RFK Junior did, I think with
the comedian Theo Vaughn.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And then the other thing is that I take more
votes from President Trump than I do from President Biden.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Right, So why would that help them?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, it's not helping them.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So RFK Junior, based on the numbers that he's seen,
if he runs as a third party, a lot of
people are celebrating, saying, oh, this is bad for Biden.
I think it's actually worse from Trump. It is, And
I would say, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
All along, so I'll mean you know this, I was saying, guys,
he's a Democrat, all right, you know he says some
good things on a few issues, and I appreciate that,
and we'll call balls and strikes on it. At the
end of the day, he's a Democrat, he's a Kennedy,
He's Democrat royalty. He's not going to do something that
would destroy the Kennedy brand always in forever and helping
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Donald Trump win the presidency would would do that. It's
something that would mean that all future Kennedy's, I think,
would be looked at in a very different light.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't see this.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I don't think it's it's overly complicated or I don't
think it's all that difficult to understand how this would
would actually go.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
RFK Junior would.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Get some people that are kind of in that liberty
Terryan question the system space in places like Arizona and
Pennsylvania and Michigan, and those tend to be people that
I think are more likely to go Trump than they
would be to go Biden. And he doesn't have to
get a lot of votes to change the way this
election turned out. Jill Stein didn't get a lot of votes.
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That was the other thing it can be. It's where
you get the votes, which is also why a lot
of this polling. Like, I know, everyone got all excited
about this poll that showed Trump ahead nine points on Biden.
If we do better in New York and California, you know,
if the Republican Party does better in twenty twenty four
in those states in a presidential sense, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
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what matters is I mean, it's very clear what matters
are these swing states, and there's it's a much more
complicated morass in the swing states than it is just
looking at the national polling a year and a month
before the election.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Wow, we're thirteen months out. I just realized that. Thirteen months.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Okay, So let me ask you this, Buck, If you
and I both agree that RFK Junior helps Biden more
than he helps Trump, how strategic do you think? So
the report is let me also add this. I don't
think we said it yet. Mediaite reported that RFK Junior
is going to announce third party run on October ninth.
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That would be what next Monday, So one week from today.
That's a long run up. I don't know what he's
hoping to get. In the meantime, it feels like that's
a calculated leak. Maybe it's a desire to negotiate in
some way. That's what I always think. When people say
I'm going to do something in ten days or twelve days,
I'm always like, what do they actually want? So I
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do think it's worth asking, if this is a leak
that's calculated from the RFK junior camp, is he seeking
something that he could get from a negotiation perspective in
order to potentially forestall if he's actually going to announce,
what would you do if you're the Trump team, because
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surely they recognize that this harms them.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think it could.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I hate to say it, I think it could be
the kind of move that costs in all the swing states.
And I've been hammering you libertarians out there. I voted
libertarian before. I'm hammering libertarians. If you live in Georgia
or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania or Michigan or Nevada or Arizona
or New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You have no opportunity to actually elect a libertarian, but
in that space you could definitely help to ensure that
a Democrat get elected. In fact, if you go look
at all the libertarians that voted in twenty twenty, if
libertarians weren't on the ballot in those swing states, I
think Trump would have won the election.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
So do you try anything with RFK Junior if you're Trump,
because surely they would see this data and say it
doesn't work very positively for and given how close this
race could be, is there something you could offer to
RFK Junior to keep him from running third party?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I don't think so. I don't think there's any I
don't think there's any way.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And this is why.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Look, I everyone knows I was very skeptical of this
RFK Junior thing early on.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I was willing to hear him out.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
He's good on COVID, that he's good on COVID, and
he doesn't sound crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
He talks about the border, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Beyond that, he's a Democrat, and he got a lot
of attention on conservative I hate to say it, conservative
media kind of built this guy at this point. I mean,
he was much more of a fixture on the right
and getting time on on you know, box and on
talk radio than he was on the left because I
think that they saw at some level what was going
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on here. I think that they understood that if he
actually you know, I think that there's an understanding that
he's really doing this out of his sense that he's
upset with the system, and they didn't want to build
him up against Biden. But now I think they're willing
to see that this is as the vote, as the
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polls have come out, and as the understanding of who
really supports him has become more clear, he's gonna hurt conservatives.
I don't know what else to say. They didn't want
h to hurt Biden, and I think they're past that window.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
There was a window where he could have been a
real challenge to buy the Democrats shut him out. Now
we look at this and we say, oh my gosh,
if he runs third party, he could hurt Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And we have to sit around and go.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, well, this is what happens when you tell everybody
on the right, this guy's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, So should Trump consider trying to get him in
the cabinet. I don't think you'd take it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Cassantas said he'd look at him for CDC, for some
sort of role associated with that, because he was right
on COVID. I'm just tossing it out there. If we
lose because of libertarian voters, you people out there who
are listening that may be willing to vote libertarian. This
is why I said, and this is why I'm gonna
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keep hammering this. All these people out there who if
we opened up phone lines and said, hey, if you're
a preferred candidate doesn't win in the primary, what are
you gonna do? Everybody says on the callers, They're like,
I wouldn't even vote. I'm just gonna stay home. If
my guy doesn't win or my girl doesn't win, I'm done.
You don't buy it. You think they're just lying.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We can't.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It can't be held hostage by people doing the if
I don't get my way saying.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I agree, But those people everyone can play this game.
Those people are ascendent on social media. All they do
is run around. They're like, my guy, my guy doesn't win,
and I'm I'm gonna just sit at home and I
hope the other I mean you people, and I've said
this before and I'm going to echo it, reiterate it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think you're a loser. I think if you are.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Engaged in the primary process and people say, you know,
shouldn't call somebody a loser, Well, if your decision guarantees
that you lose.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What other word is there for it?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Like, if you're truly going to sit home if your
candidate doesn't win, then you're in trouble. I think this
is going to get so complicated. Buck Carnell West is
evidently going to run as a Green Party. There's the
talk that the no Labels people are going to put
somebody forward. I think we may have four or five
candidates on the pole on the ballot in many states
before all of a sudden done.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You ask what could be done. I think Republicans, if
they want to be smart, need to maybe think about
giving a lot of a lot of attention to help
to Cornell West. Get him and make sure he's on
every ballot, make sure that he's a real force to
be reckoned with in some of these states, because that's
ninety percent Democrat votes that he would be siphoning off
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ninety percent plus. I mean, you know, he's he's only
going to take Democrat votes away. So in that regard,
I doubt that he would. I doubt that it will
actually happen with him, But in that situation, that's what
I think would be best for them. You saw this
with Republicans in twenty twenty two where the Democrats supported
in primaries. And I know people don't lie like this,
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they don't like hearing this sometimes, but they supported the
most right wing candidate, the most you know, right wing candidate,
and some of those candidates lost.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
All of them did pretty much. There was almost no
blowback on Democrats for spending money to try to put
right wing candidates on the ballot in many toss up districts.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
That's what they did.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
They spent millions of dollars to put candidates that they
thought were unelectable on the ballot, which calls into question
if you truly thought democracy was in danger, would you
be trying to elevate people that had political opinions diametrically
opposed to you. Probably not. They just want to win.
That's all they care about. And that's where I think
Republicans have to get more aggressive and have to get
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down in the weeds and have to get nastier.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Frankly, I don't. I'm so sick buck.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Of watching people try to win by the narrowest of margin,
Like if you are trying to win on a last
second field goal. In the context of sports, it means
that you failed during the course of the game to
actually put the game away. And it feels like every
Republican election strategy in every toss up state is let's
see if we can win on a last second fifty
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one question that I would have for you, and this
is certainly also very important for everybody out there listening.
How prepared do you think the Trump team is for
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a twenty twenty four general election right now? In other words,
do they have quants and analytics guys looking at this
RFK decision, which, if it's made in the next week,
could be among the most consequential political decisions made in
twenty twenty three period, or do you think they're so
focused on all the other moving parts that they're not
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necessarily dialed in on a situation like RFK Junior.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think with Trump it is twenty twenty four is
just going to be like the basketball team, where the
strategy is give give our star player the ball and
see what he can do. I think it just all
comes down to Trump out there doing what he does
and everything else. You know, Look, he has some of
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the people now that are that are senior in the campaign,
are our veterans and know what they're doing. So there
are some people around him that I think are in
a pretty good position. But overall, it's just going to
be about Trump Man, and however he rolls with all
this stuff. He's a one man show.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
See that's my concern on some level is I want
the nerds crunching the numbers here on exactly what the
impact is of RFK junior, for instance, in the state
of Georgia or in the state of Arizona, and making
smart strategic decisions based on that. I get the sense
that we're kind of flying blind here. You and I
have the impression that RFK Junior is going to hurt
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Trump more. What does the data actually reflect. I'd love
to see real hard data on this.
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Speaker 4 (18:52):
Your Governor, Kathy Hoopol says the border is too open
right now?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Does the president think that the border is too open?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
So here's what I will say. The President on his own,
without the help of Republicans in Congress, let's not forget,
he put forward a comprehensive piece of legislation to deal
with immigration reform. Remember, this immigration system has been broken
for decades, and it's been three years. That's been almost
three years since he put forth that piece of legislation
and things. There are three things that he has moved forward.
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And when it comes to his plan and looking at
the border, there's enforcement and so we've deployed additional troops
and federal agents to the border and removed or returned
more than two hundred and fifty thousand individuals since May
twelfth alone. That's what we've been able to do without
the help of Republicans and deterrence. We've had the largest
expansion certainly of a pathways to pathways to a pathway
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is in decades, and we've made clear that attempting to
cross the border on lawfully will result in prompt removal.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So Curie Jean Pierre asked about what's going on at
the border where the numbers show, So Joe Biden is
I think I think about sixty percent of the country
sixty sixty five percent of the country think he's doing
a bad job on the border. Thirty percent, you know,
hardcore left essentially think that he's doing an okay job.
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You have a couple of other interesting things that have
happened recently with regard to the border.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
One is the the.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Visit of Elon Well this wasn't just today, but this
was over on Friday, over the weekend. Elon Musk went
down to the border, which got a lot of attention,
and he's saying, you know, this is a huge problem,
and it is we effectively have an open border, and
people recognize that that is unsustainable, at least anyone who's
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being honest recognizes that's unsustainable for the country.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And then the.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Mayor of New York City, cled New York massive crisis
right now, fiscal, legal, cultural crisis underway because of all
the illegal migrants in New York City. People say legal aliens,
and I say, I think technically they're not really under
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federal code illegal aliens right now, that they will be
as soon as they don't show up for their court dates.
But the court dates won't be for a few years.
It's complicated. But they enter the country illegally, so I
guess in that case you can just say there are
legal aliens, or you know, you could make that case.
But Eric Adams play leaving to travel to Central America
to speak to leadership there about the migrant crisis. You know,
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I don't wish to be overly like flippant about this,
but if you're going to try to tell people in
Honduras that they have a better future in Honduras than
showing up into New York, that's not gonna work, right, Yeah,
I mean, you know, whatever one thinks of I'm not
trying to pick on Honduras any of these Central American
countries where you have a lot of migrants coming. Guatemala,
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El Salvador, Nicaragua America is a much wealthier country with
much better financial prospects, much better you know, economic upside
for anybody who's considering this kind of a track. So
this idea that we're going to deal with the root causes,
it almost is all based on, first of all, the
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fantasy that we could do anything substantial to change the
economic climate in these or any of these other countries.
I mean, the history of US four and AID is
a history of just abject failure and waste when you
really look at it, and to third world countries, and
the history or the reality of these migrants is that,
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of course they're going to want to come to America,
and a visit from Eric Adam is not going to
stop that.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I think it's designed to distract from how bad the
situation is in New York. To me, the fact that
Eric Adams is even making a trip to Central America
is evidence of how much this border crisis is growing.
Let me give you a couple of stats here, Buck.
You mentioned the percentages in the Washington Post poll. Twenty
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three percent of Americans agreed with Joe Biden's handling of
things at the southern border. Twenty three percent of all
of the issues in America today Joe Biden's approval ratings
on the border are the absolute lowest.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Two did you see.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Bill Clinton came out today and said that the border
was a disaster and they needed to fix it. Now,
we already know that Eric Adams basically has said the
same thing. Kathy Hokeel has intimated as much too correct
me if I'm wrong. Most of the time, former Democrat
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presidents don't come out and say that any current Democrat
president is basically creating a disasterous situation.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The fact that Bill Clinton is saying this is I
think pretty significant.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
It also buck is reflective of how far left wing
Democrats have gone. Bill Clinton ninety two and ninety six
would be a Republican campaign now easily, and even a
lot of Barack Obama two thousand and eight would be
a Republican campaign now. Remember Obama ran on civil unions,
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directly rejecting the idea of gay marriage. You couldn't even
say that out loud if you were a Democrat. Now, yeah,
I mean triangulated. Bill Clinton with a Republican controlled House
and Speaker Nute Gingrich was certainly more reasonable on economic issues,
but because he had to be than what you would
see with Democrats now and the Democrat Party has moved
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far left. So if you go back in previous decades
on social issues, they held positions, I mean even Barack
Obama on gay marriage. As you pointed out, this has
changed pretty rapidly. You mentioned Kathy Hokel. I just wanted
to let her have her say here on the show.
She says, the border is this is Clip sixteen wide open.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
We want them to have a limit on who can
come across the border. It is too open right now.
People coming from all over the world are finding their
way through simply saying they need asylum, and the majority
of them seem to be ending up in the streets
of New York. We are always so proud of the
fact that New York has the Statue of Liberty in
our harbor. We are one of the most diverse places
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on earth because of our welcoming nature, and it's in
our dna to welcome immigrants. But there has to be
some limits in place, and Congress has to put more
controls at the border. Talk about eliminating positions for border patrol, Well,
we actually need to double or quadruple those numbers.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know why limited.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I mean, this is the argument that I've been having
with Democrats on this issue play for many, many years. Now,
I guess I guess I would be considered a long
time hawk on immigration or immigration hardliner. But I used
to always say, you know, what's the limit? And Democrats
would never answer the question. They would never and I
would say, we're taking in a million legally every year,
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so how many illegals should we be taken every year?
And the response from the Democrat Party always used to
be the assessment that illegals are in any way a
problem or a challenge for the country is racist.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, that is what they would say.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
That is how they would beat you into submission for
year under all eight years under of Obama, under the
four years of Trump. That is what the Democrat position was.
If you talk about illegals as a challenge for the country,
you are a bad person and a racist. And now
you have a lot of very prominent Democrats saying, yeah,
we've got too many illegals, and it's dividing the party
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in a substantial way. And I don't know how Joe
Biden handles this issue going forward. I think he can
just lie about crime. And as you pointed out and
we've said on the show, Biden was never a defund
the police guy. So there isn't a clip of him
saying we've got to defund the police like he can
at least argue that he's relatively moderate on crime.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I don't know if you read the article. It's a
big article on Afghanistan over the weekend, and I'm sorry,
on Ukraine over the weekend. Buck In all of twenty
twenty three, neither side has gained really any territory at all.
They had a big graphic of amount of territory that
was gained. We were told, oh, just wait until this
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Ukrainian offensive starts in the summer, it's going to change everything.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Essentially, we have a stalemate.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
We have both sides locked and loaded in their trench warfare,
and neither side is really moving at all.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
This is.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Going to be a replication, unfortunately, of Afghanistan. And when
I was there a decade oh gosh, now, hope for
a decade ago, it was apparent that we weren't fighting
a twenty year where we were fighting twenty one year wars.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I forget who's credited with that. Yeah, but that's the
truth is that every.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
This time around we're gonna, you know, we're gonna turn
around the Afghan forces and we're gonna make everything. You know,
we're gonna rule of law and you know, girls in
school and all these things. Right, this was the every
year for twenty years, some version of that. And in Ukraine,
what you're gonna have is now they're gonna say, okay, fine,
we didn't you know, we didn't do it this time,
(28:27):
we didn't have the breakthrough. If only we give them
X next time, they're going to be able to break through.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And you're gonna get into this for years, and we
are in a.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Effectively, we are funding a war of attrition with Russia
which can put far more men in the field than
Ukraine can.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
That is what we are doing.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
We're funding a war of attrition where one side can
afford to lose a lot more in terms of manpower
than the other.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
This is not gonna this is not gonna go well
for us. So you start to look at the argument.
Maybe we hit on this.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Tomorrow Buck there's a big Axios article talking about how
now Democrats are concerned that labeling the worst economy in
many of our lives bid nomics might not might not
have been a really smart move where you legitimately take
ownership instead of arguing, Hey, what most presidents do in
(29:23):
their first term as they prepare for the second term
is argue on the economy the other side when they're
taking over from the other side.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
The other side totally screwed it up.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
We're putting things on the right direction, but we need
four more years to make that economic reality become a
success story. Instead, Democrats have tried to argue, oh, Joe
Biden came into office, and thanks to Bidenomics, everything's better.
And every single one of you out there listening right now,
(29:52):
when you hear Bidenomics, it makes you want to, you know,
like make your hand into a fist. And certainly that's
the case why you're filling up your gas or when
you're seeing what that receipt is going to be as
you come out of the grocery store.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
And so my point on this buck is this is.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Why Trump is the focus, because I don't even know
what you can point to after as we're coming into
we'll be in the fourth year of Joe Biden here
in about three months. There's nothing that he's made better.
And the arguments increasingly are becoming even more difficult to make.
And so it's going to come down to Trump is
(30:30):
a felon and they're going to take away your right
to have an abortion. That's going to be the entire
Democrat argument. It's not just Trump is a felon. I mean,
that's obviously a part of it. But the ultimate conclusion.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Is Trump is a felon who tried to overthrow the government,
and therefore if he wins this time, it's all over.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
That is going to be their argument.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I mean, I think we all need to be prepared
and ready for that, and the legal assault on Trump
is a part of that, really the centerpiece of that
narrative now going forward. So we have to come up
with the counter narrative, and that's something we'll be doing here.
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Speaker 1 (33:02):
Up on fall.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Not too long now till the holiday travel season gets underway.
Now that we are into October, it is officially Halloween season,
I think everywhere, certainly in the Travis house, where my
wife has begun to put up all of the Halloween decorations,
which terrify my kids. And even occasionally I'll admit buck
late at night, when I'm walking through the house and
(33:23):
I'm not expecting to see some of the scary Halloween decorations,
I will occasionally jump for a moment because a lot of.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
The Halloween monsters. Which one is your favorite? You know?
Are you a Dracula guy, a werewolf guy?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think I like the vampire movies the most probably
of them.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
What about you? What would you go to, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, for me, the scariest movie of all time is,
no question, the Exorcist, So that's obviously which they're redoing, right,
The new Exorcist movie is coming out this and like
the next week.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Isn't it? Is that you seeing this? I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
No, Yeah, I think it's the fifty year anniversary. Staff
can correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's the
fifty year anniversary of the Exorcist and they are doing
I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Know if it's a remake or a new sequel.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'm not sure, but I'm almost one hundred percent certain
that there's a new Exorcist movie that is coming out
and it's peg to arrive at the fiftieth anniversary of
the original, which is a very very scary movie for
su Yes, I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I I think you know, there's some there's some interesting
werewolf movies out there. There's that series of movies where
the vampires are fighting the werewolves Underworld or whatever with
the lady wearing all the leather, you know, with.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Lots of guns.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
So I don't know anything about this Underworld. Oh it's
a big yeah, Kate Beckhamsale, it was a whole I
like Kate Mecanziel.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
She's very talented.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah that's I am unshot to hear she. Yeah, she's
a vampire and they fight the werewolves, but they love
the they love one of the were wolves.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
It's kind of crazy, man, but it did really well.
It made a whole a whole bunch of these movies,
not the that's different than the like Mopi vampires. As
my friend my Leitch would say, right like that, what
was the movie with all the Mopi vampires? And they
also had to wear wolfs like the Taylor Watner and
uh oh oh, yes, the Twilight Twilightight series, which how
(35:13):
about Greg?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Producer Greg just immediately jumps in Emaillight movies. It's very romantic,
very very touching. I rarely hear him in my ear
and we're like, what is that?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Twilight movies? They're great, great films, Twilight films. I haven't
I haven't seen those ones. But yes, the brooding vampires.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That werewolves of that series are are quite quite something.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
By the way, the Exorcist Believer is being released this week.
It's the first Did you need to know about this
at all? Buck, I didn't know this three new Exorcist
films are being made. The second is going to be
released next in twenty twenty five. So they're making a
trilogy of Exorcist films, and the first one is going
(35:55):
to be out in a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I do not recommend people go see because because it
will be very scary.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
And you don't want to be walking around.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You know, if you're in like a giant house like Clays,
and you're walking down a dark corridor and you hear
something weird, you know, man, I freaked out the other day.
I had a tree frog land on my windshield as
I was driving, and that freaked me out for a second.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I was like, what is that. I've actually got video
of this. I should share it. Lit tree frog right
on the windshield. I to be.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I sleep walk still at the age of forty four,
and on late Saturday night, buck I in full sprint,
went outside the front door of my house into the street,
convinced that somebody was chasing me at like two am.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
WHOA.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I'm a legit sleepwalker, have been for my entire life.
I don't think it's that common, but I will legitimately
run open doors and run outside, never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I'll be back with you Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Slave Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of
the truth
Third hour of Play and Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Right now, I've got a lot to chat about eight
hundred and two eighty two two eight a two on
the phone lines now, RFK Junior. He had a moment there,
and Play had him on the show. I don't think
I actually got to interview him that day. I know
(00:22):
it wasn't the first time. I don't think we didn't
have it a second time. I was skeptical that he
would manage to get very far the Democrat party. At
one point he was polling somewhere around the twenty percent
mark for Democrats, and now the more recent polls have
him stuck in the mid mid high single digits, you know,
(00:46):
seven eight nine percent something like that among Democrats. So
he is not a serious threat to Joe Biden at all.
Right now, that's that's just not going to happen. I
was skeptical that Democrats would allow an upstart challenge like
this to get very far. You'll notice the media really
(01:06):
froze him out, the Democrat media. It was conservative media
shows like this one that were more interested in what
he had to say, particularly because of his breaking with
Democrat orthodoxy on Fauci and COVID I think he may
have as much disdain for Tony Fauci as I do,
which is saying a lot. That's a pretty impressive bar
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that RFK Junior was able to able to cross.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Threshold. He was able to cross.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So now we have on Friday the revelation I was
sitting there, I just had You're just sweat pouring down
my forehead. I'm carrying. You know, one thing you learn
when you move, don't buy too many lamps and mirrors
because they're impossible. They're breaking, they break, they're heavy, they're
(01:57):
all over the place. Well, how much books way, I
bet you found that out too. Oh, I've I've I've
had to winnow down my book collection so many times
at this point from when i've I've moved and and
so yes, books are heavy. They're easy to pack those
that's easier, but they're heavy. So I'm I'm dealing with
(02:17):
the move and clay text and sure enough, I've got
the possibility RFK Junior third party candidacy. He hinted at
this very much on Friday, And we'll see now where.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
This actually goes. It is my belief.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And people are going to argue about this a lot
that RFK Junior has always had more interest and support
from disaffected Republicans disaffected with the system than Democrats, and
that when push comes to shove, Democrats tend to be
better at falling in line. Now, the er to that
(03:01):
argument would be Jill Stein in twenty sixteen, who I
think doesn't get very much attention and conservative or Republican
circles these days, because nobody really wants to hear that.
Without Jill Stein, Donald Trump doesn't beat Hillary Clinton. But
there's a very strong case by the numbers to be
made that that's the truth of twenty sixteen. So third
(03:23):
party candidates can have a massive effect because the way
that our elections are structured these days. Obviously, Ross Perro
back in the day got way more votes than well
maybe would have been anticipated until the votes were actually cast,
and because of that, Bill Clinton, with less than half
the vote, becomes President. Clay, how do you see this?
(03:47):
Because in my mind, all the talks we have about
the border and about the economy and about all these
things could perhaps be nullified and Biden could be effectively
handed a reelection or whoever the Democrat is.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
If people think it's not gonna be Biden.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Because I think that RFK Junior pulls more Republican votes
than Democrat votes. Where do you come down on this?
I'm concerned that you're right about that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And I put up a poll about an hour ago,
and I just said, if RFK Junior runs as a
third party nominee and Trump and Biden are nominees, do
you think he takes more vote from Trump? More votes
from Trump or Biden. Eleven thousand of you have voted
so far, fifty two percent of you say Biden, forty
eight percent of you say Trump. So my audience right
(04:36):
now voting on Twitter is essentially fifty to fifty and buck.
I've said there're three ways I think Trump beats Biden
in the event that they run against each other. One
way was that there's just lower turnout. I think we
have a stake bet. I expect that there will be less.
I think the total number in twenty twenty was one
hundred and fifty six million, whatever that final tallly was
(04:57):
roughly one hundred and fifty six million. I think there
will be milli millions less people vote in twenty twenty four.
So I think lower turnout favors Trump third party. I
have been of the opinion that a third party helps Trump.
I'm nervous on this one. And then the third one
I said was Biden's health, that he has some something
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that is just so impossible to ignore, even for Democrats.
In the next year if he's the nominee. I'm nervous
the more I think about it. I think that RFK
Junior helps Biden. And I think we have audio actually
of RFK Junior saying more of his supporters would hurt
Trump than would hurt Biden. Listen to this audio. This
(05:41):
is an interview that RFK Junior did, I think with
the comedian Theo Vaughn.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And then the other thing is that I take more
votes from President Trump than I do from President Biden.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Right, So why would that help them?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, it's not helping them.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So RFK Junior, based on the numbers that he's seen,
if he runs as a third party, a lot of
people are celebrating, saying, oh, this is bad for Biden.
I think it's actually worse from Trump. It is, And
I would say, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
All along, so I'll mean you know this, I was saying, guys,
he's a Democrat, all right, you know he says some
good things on a few issues, and I appreciate that,
and we'll call balls and strikes on it. At the
end of the day, he's a Democrat, he's a Kennedy,
He's Democrat royalty. He's not going to do something that
would destroy the Kennedy brand always in forever and helping
(06:35):
Donald Trump win the presidency would would do that. It's
something that would mean that all future Kennedy's, I think,
would be looked at in a very different light.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't see this.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I don't think it's it's overly complicated or I don't
think it's all that difficult to understand how this would
would actually go.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
RFK Junior would.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Get some people that are kind of in that liberty
Terryan question the system space in places like Arizona and
Pennsylvania and Michigan, and those tend to be people that
I think are more likely to go Trump than they
would be to go Biden. And he doesn't have to
get a lot of votes to change the way this
election turned out. Jill Stein didn't get a lot of votes.
(07:20):
That was the other thing it can be. It's where
you get the votes, which is also why a lot
of this polling. Like, I know, everyone got all excited
about this poll that showed Trump ahead nine points on Biden.
If we do better in New York and California, you know,
if the Republican Party does better in twenty twenty four
in those states in a presidential sense, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
(07:40):
what matters is I mean, it's very clear what matters
are these swing states, and there's it's a much more
complicated morass in the swing states than it is just
looking at the national polling a year and a month
before the election.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Wow, we're thirteen months out. I just realized that. Thirteen months.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Okay, So let me ask you this, Buck, If you
and I both agree that RFK Junior helps Biden more
than he helps Trump, how strategic do you think? So
the report is let me also add this. I don't
think we said it yet. Mediaite reported that RFK Junior
is going to announce third party run on October ninth.
(08:20):
That would be what next Monday, So one week from today.
That's a long run up. I don't know what he's
hoping to get. In the meantime, it feels like that's
a calculated leak. Maybe it's a desire to negotiate in
some way. That's what I always think. When people say
I'm going to do something in ten days or twelve days,
I'm always like, what do they actually want? So I
(08:42):
do think it's worth asking, if this is a leak
that's calculated from the RFK junior camp, is he seeking
something that he could get from a negotiation perspective in
order to potentially forestall if he's actually going to announce,
what would you do if you're the Trump team, because
(09:03):
surely they recognize that this harms them.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think it could.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I hate to say it, I think it could be
the kind of move that costs in all the swing states.
And I've been hammering you libertarians out there. I voted
libertarian before. I'm hammering libertarians. If you live in Georgia
or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania or Michigan or Nevada or Arizona
or New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You have no opportunity to actually elect a libertarian, but
in that space you could definitely help to ensure that
a Democrat get elected. In fact, if you go look
at all the libertarians that voted in twenty twenty, if
libertarians weren't on the ballot in those swing states, I
think Trump would have won the election.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
So do you try anything with RFK Junior if you're Trump,
because surely they would see this data and say it
doesn't work very positively for and given how close this
race could be, is there something you could offer to
RFK Junior to keep him from running third party?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I don't think so. I don't think there's any I
don't think there's any way.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And this is why.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Look, I everyone knows I was very skeptical of this
RFK Junior thing early on.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I was willing to hear him out.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
He's good on COVID, that he's good on COVID, and
he doesn't sound crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
He talks about the border, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Beyond that, he's a Democrat, and he got a lot
of attention on conservative I hate to say it, conservative
media kind of built this guy at this point. I mean,
he was much more of a fixture on the right
and getting time on on you know, box and on
talk radio than he was on the left because I
think that they saw at some level what was going
(10:48):
on here. I think that they understood that if he
actually you know, I think that there's an understanding that
he's really doing this out of his sense that he's
upset with the system, and they didn't want to build
him up against Biden. But now I think they're willing
to see that this is as the vote, as the
(11:09):
polls have come out, and as the understanding of who
really supports him has become more clear, he's gonna hurt conservatives.
I don't know what else to say. They didn't want
h to hurt Biden, and I think they're past that window.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
There was a window where he could have been a
real challenge to buy the Democrats shut him out. Now
we look at this and we say, oh my gosh,
if he runs third party, he could hurt Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And we have to sit around and go.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, well, this is what happens when you tell everybody
on the right, this guy's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, So should Trump consider trying to get him in
the cabinet. I don't think you'd take it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Cassantas said he'd look at him for CDC, for some
sort of role associated with that, because he was right
on COVID. I'm just tossing it out there. If we
lose because of libertarian voters, you people out there who
are listening that may be willing to vote libertarian. This
is why I said, and this is why I'm gonna
(12:04):
keep hammering this. All these people out there who if
we opened up phone lines and said, hey, if you're
a preferred candidate doesn't win in the primary, what are
you gonna do? Everybody says on the callers, They're like,
I wouldn't even vote. I'm just gonna stay home. If
my guy doesn't win or my girl doesn't win, I'm done.
You don't buy it. You think they're just lying.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We can't.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It can't be held hostage by people doing the if
I don't get my way saying.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I agree, But those people everyone can play this game.
Those people are ascendent on social media. All they do
is run around. They're like, my guy, my guy doesn't win,
and I'm I'm gonna just sit at home and I
hope the other I mean you people, and I've said
this before and I'm going to echo it, reiterate it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think you're a loser. I think if you are.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Engaged in the primary process and people say, you know,
shouldn't call somebody a loser, Well, if your decision guarantees
that you lose.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What other word is there for it?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Like, if you're truly going to sit home if your
candidate doesn't win, then you're in trouble. I think this
is going to get so complicated. Buck Carnell West is
evidently going to run as a Green Party. There's the
talk that the no Labels people are going to put
somebody forward. I think we may have four or five
candidates on the pole on the ballot in many states
before all of a sudden done.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You ask what could be done. I think Republicans, if
they want to be smart, need to maybe think about
giving a lot of a lot of attention to help
to Cornell West. Get him and make sure he's on
every ballot, make sure that he's a real force to
be reckoned with in some of these states, because that's
ninety percent Democrat votes that he would be siphoning off
(13:40):
ninety percent plus. I mean, you know, he's he's only
going to take Democrat votes away. So in that regard,
I doubt that he would. I doubt that it will
actually happen with him, But in that situation, that's what
I think would be best for them. You saw this
with Republicans in twenty twenty two where the Democrats supported
in primaries. And I know people don't lie like this,
(14:00):
they don't like hearing this sometimes, but they supported the
most right wing candidate, the most you know, right wing candidate,
and some of those candidates lost.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
All of them did pretty much. There was almost no
blowback on Democrats for spending money to try to put
right wing candidates on the ballot in many toss up districts.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
That's what they did.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
They spent millions of dollars to put candidates that they
thought were unelectable on the ballot, which calls into question
if you truly thought democracy was in danger, would you
be trying to elevate people that had political opinions diametrically
opposed to you. Probably not. They just want to win.
That's all they care about. And that's where I think
Republicans have to get more aggressive and have to get
(14:43):
down in the weeds and have to get nastier.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Frankly, I don't. I'm so sick buck.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Of watching people try to win by the narrowest of margin,
Like if you are trying to win on a last
second field goal. In the context of sports, it means
that you failed during the course of the game to
actually put the game away. And it feels like every
Republican election strategy in every toss up state is let's
see if we can win on a last second fifty
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one question that I would have for you, and this
is certainly also very important for everybody out there listening.
How prepared do you think the Trump team is for
(16:14):
a twenty twenty four general election right now? In other words,
do they have quants and analytics guys looking at this
RFK decision, which, if it's made in the next week,
could be among the most consequential political decisions made in
twenty twenty three period, or do you think they're so
focused on all the other moving parts that they're not
(16:35):
necessarily dialed in on a situation like RFK Junior.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think with Trump it is twenty twenty four is
just going to be like the basketball team, where the
strategy is give give our star player the ball and
see what he can do. I think it just all
comes down to Trump out there doing what he does
and everything else. You know, Look, he has some of
(17:02):
the people now that are that are senior in the campaign,
are our veterans and know what they're doing. So there
are some people around him that I think are in
a pretty good position. But overall, it's just going to
be about Trump Man, and however he rolls with all
this stuff. He's a one man show.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
See that's my concern on some level is I want
the nerds crunching the numbers here on exactly what the
impact is of RFK junior, for instance, in the state
of Georgia or in the state of Arizona, and making
smart strategic decisions based on that. I get the sense
that we're kind of flying blind here. You and I
have the impression that RFK Junior is going to hurt
(17:44):
Trump more. What does the data actually reflect. I'd love
to see real hard data on this.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
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Speaker 4 (18:52):
Your Governor, Kathy Hoopol says the border is too open
right now?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Does the president think that the border is too open?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
So here's what I will say. The President on his own,
without the help of Republicans in Congress, let's not forget,
he put forward a comprehensive piece of legislation to deal
with immigration reform. Remember, this immigration system has been broken
for decades, and it's been three years. That's been almost
three years since he put forth that piece of legislation
and things. There are three things that he has moved forward.
(19:22):
And when it comes to his plan and looking at
the border, there's enforcement and so we've deployed additional troops
and federal agents to the border and removed or returned
more than two hundred and fifty thousand individuals since May
twelfth alone. That's what we've been able to do without
the help of Republicans and deterrence. We've had the largest
expansion certainly of a pathways to pathways to a pathway
(19:46):
is in decades, and we've made clear that attempting to
cross the border on lawfully will result in prompt removal.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So Curie Jean Pierre asked about what's going on at
the border where the numbers show, So Joe Biden is
I think I think about sixty percent of the country
sixty sixty five percent of the country think he's doing
a bad job on the border. Thirty percent, you know,
hardcore left essentially think that he's doing an okay job.
(20:14):
You have a couple of other interesting things that have
happened recently with regard to the border.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
One is the the.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Visit of Elon Well this wasn't just today, but this
was over on Friday, over the weekend. Elon Musk went
down to the border, which got a lot of attention,
and he's saying, you know, this is a huge problem,
and it is we effectively have an open border, and
people recognize that that is unsustainable, at least anyone who's
(20:43):
being honest recognizes that's unsustainable for the country.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And then the.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Mayor of New York City, cled New York massive crisis
right now, fiscal, legal, cultural crisis underway because of all
the illegal migrants in New York City. People say legal aliens,
and I say, I think technically they're not really under
(21:07):
federal code illegal aliens right now, that they will be
as soon as they don't show up for their court dates.
But the court dates won't be for a few years.
It's complicated. But they enter the country illegally, so I
guess in that case you can just say there are
legal aliens, or you know, you could make that case.
But Eric Adams play leaving to travel to Central America
to speak to leadership there about the migrant crisis. You know,
(21:31):
I don't wish to be overly like flippant about this,
but if you're going to try to tell people in
Honduras that they have a better future in Honduras than
showing up into New York, that's not gonna work, right, Yeah,
I mean, you know, whatever one thinks of I'm not
trying to pick on Honduras any of these Central American
countries where you have a lot of migrants coming. Guatemala,
(21:54):
El Salvador, Nicaragua America is a much wealthier country with
much better financial prospects, much better you know, economic upside
for anybody who's considering this kind of a track. So
this idea that we're going to deal with the root causes,
it almost is all based on, first of all, the
(22:16):
fantasy that we could do anything substantial to change the
economic climate in these or any of these other countries.
I mean, the history of US four and AID is
a history of just abject failure and waste when you
really look at it, and to third world countries, and
the history or the reality of these migrants is that,
(22:38):
of course they're going to want to come to America,
and a visit from Eric Adam is not going to
stop that.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I think it's designed to distract from how bad the
situation is in New York. To me, the fact that
Eric Adams is even making a trip to Central America
is evidence of how much this border crisis is growing.
Let me give you a couple of stats here, Buck.
You mentioned the percentages in the Washington Post poll. Twenty
(23:05):
three percent of Americans agreed with Joe Biden's handling of
things at the southern border. Twenty three percent of all
of the issues in America today Joe Biden's approval ratings
on the border are the absolute lowest.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Two did you see.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Bill Clinton came out today and said that the border
was a disaster and they needed to fix it. Now,
we already know that Eric Adams basically has said the
same thing. Kathy Hokeel has intimated as much too correct
me if I'm wrong. Most of the time, former Democrat
(23:43):
presidents don't come out and say that any current Democrat
president is basically creating a disasterous situation.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The fact that Bill Clinton is saying this is I
think pretty significant.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
It also buck is reflective of how far left wing
Democrats have gone. Bill Clinton ninety two and ninety six
would be a Republican campaign now easily, and even a
lot of Barack Obama two thousand and eight would be
a Republican campaign now. Remember Obama ran on civil unions,
(24:17):
directly rejecting the idea of gay marriage. You couldn't even
say that out loud if you were a Democrat. Now, yeah,
I mean triangulated. Bill Clinton with a Republican controlled House
and Speaker Nute Gingrich was certainly more reasonable on economic issues,
but because he had to be than what you would
see with Democrats now and the Democrat Party has moved
(24:39):
far left. So if you go back in previous decades
on social issues, they held positions, I mean even Barack
Obama on gay marriage. As you pointed out, this has
changed pretty rapidly. You mentioned Kathy Hokel. I just wanted
to let her have her say here on the show.
She says, the border is this is Clip sixteen wide open.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
We want them to have a limit on who can
come across the border. It is too open right now.
People coming from all over the world are finding their
way through simply saying they need asylum, and the majority
of them seem to be ending up in the streets
of New York. We are always so proud of the
fact that New York has the Statue of Liberty in
our harbor. We are one of the most diverse places
(25:22):
on earth because of our welcoming nature, and it's in
our dna to welcome immigrants. But there has to be
some limits in place, and Congress has to put more
controls at the border. Talk about eliminating positions for border patrol, Well,
we actually need to double or quadruple those numbers.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know why limited.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I mean, this is the argument that I've been having
with Democrats on this issue play for many, many years. Now,
I guess I guess I would be considered a long
time hawk on immigration or immigration hardliner. But I used
to always say, you know, what's the limit? And Democrats
would never answer the question. They would never and I
would say, we're taking in a million legally every year,
(26:02):
so how many illegals should we be taken every year?
And the response from the Democrat Party always used to
be the assessment that illegals are in any way a
problem or a challenge for the country is racist.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, that is what they would say.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
That is how they would beat you into submission for
year under all eight years under of Obama, under the
four years of Trump. That is what the Democrat position was.
If you talk about illegals as a challenge for the country,
you are a bad person and a racist. And now
you have a lot of very prominent Democrats saying, yeah,
we've got too many illegals, and it's dividing the party
(26:45):
in a substantial way. And I don't know how Joe
Biden handles this issue going forward. I think he can
just lie about crime. And as you pointed out and
we've said on the show, Biden was never a defund
the police guy. So there isn't a clip of him
saying we've got to defund the police like he can
at least argue that he's relatively moderate on crime.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I don't know if you read the article. It's a
big article on Afghanistan over the weekend, and I'm sorry,
on Ukraine over the weekend. Buck In all of twenty
twenty three, neither side has gained really any territory at all.
They had a big graphic of amount of territory that
was gained. We were told, oh, just wait until this
(27:29):
Ukrainian offensive starts in the summer, it's going to change everything.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Essentially, we have a stalemate.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
We have both sides locked and loaded in their trench warfare,
and neither side is really moving at all.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
This is.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Going to be a replication, unfortunately, of Afghanistan. And when
I was there a decade oh gosh, now, hope for
a decade ago, it was apparent that we weren't fighting
a twenty year where we were fighting twenty one year wars.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I forget who's credited with that. Yeah, but that's the
truth is that every.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
This time around we're gonna, you know, we're gonna turn
around the Afghan forces and we're gonna make everything. You know,
we're gonna rule of law and you know, girls in
school and all these things. Right, this was the every
year for twenty years, some version of that. And in Ukraine,
what you're gonna have is now they're gonna say, okay, fine,
we didn't you know, we didn't do it this time,
(28:27):
we didn't have the breakthrough. If only we give them
X next time, they're going to be able to break through.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And you're gonna get into this for years, and we
are in a.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Effectively, we are funding a war of attrition with Russia
which can put far more men in the field than
Ukraine can.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
That is what we are doing.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
We're funding a war of attrition where one side can
afford to lose a lot more in terms of manpower
than the other.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
This is not gonna this is not gonna go well
for us. So you start to look at the argument.
Maybe we hit on this.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Tomorrow Buck there's a big Axios article talking about how
now Democrats are concerned that labeling the worst economy in
many of our lives bid nomics might not might not
have been a really smart move where you legitimately take
ownership instead of arguing, Hey, what most presidents do in
(29:23):
their first term as they prepare for the second term
is argue on the economy the other side when they're
taking over from the other side.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
The other side totally screwed it up.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
We're putting things on the right direction, but we need
four more years to make that economic reality become a
success story. Instead, Democrats have tried to argue, oh, Joe
Biden came into office, and thanks to Bidenomics, everything's better.
And every single one of you out there listening right now,
(29:52):
when you hear Bidenomics, it makes you want to, you know,
like make your hand into a fist. And certainly that's
the case why you're filling up your gas or when
you're seeing what that receipt is going to be as
you come out of the grocery store.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
And so my point on this buck is this is.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Why Trump is the focus, because I don't even know
what you can point to after as we're coming into
we'll be in the fourth year of Joe Biden here
in about three months. There's nothing that he's made better.
And the arguments increasingly are becoming even more difficult to make.
And so it's going to come down to Trump is
(30:30):
a felon and they're going to take away your right
to have an abortion. That's going to be the entire
Democrat argument. It's not just Trump is a felon. I mean,
that's obviously a part of it. But the ultimate conclusion.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Is Trump is a felon who tried to overthrow the government,
and therefore if he wins this time, it's all over.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
That is going to be their argument.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I mean, I think we all need to be prepared
and ready for that, and the legal assault on Trump
is a part of that, really the centerpiece of that
narrative now going forward. So we have to come up
with the counter narrative, and that's something we'll be doing here.
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Speaker 1 (33:02):
Up on fall.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Not too long now till the holiday travel season gets underway.
Now that we are into October, it is officially Halloween season,
I think everywhere, certainly in the Travis house, where my
wife has begun to put up all of the Halloween decorations,
which terrify my kids. And even occasionally I'll admit buck
late at night, when I'm walking through the house and
(33:23):
I'm not expecting to see some of the scary Halloween decorations,
I will occasionally jump for a moment because a lot of.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
The Halloween monsters. Which one is your favorite? You know?
Are you a Dracula guy, a werewolf guy?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think I like the vampire movies the most probably
of them.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
What about you? What would you go to, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, for me, the scariest movie of all time is,
no question, the Exorcist, So that's obviously which they're redoing, right,
The new Exorcist movie is coming out this and like
the next week.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Isn't it? Is that you seeing this? I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
No, Yeah, I think it's the fifty year anniversary. Staff
can correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's the
fifty year anniversary of the Exorcist and they are doing
I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Know if it's a remake or a new sequel.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'm not sure, but I'm almost one hundred percent certain
that there's a new Exorcist movie that is coming out
and it's peg to arrive at the fiftieth anniversary of
the original, which is a very very scary movie for
su Yes, I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I I think you know, there's some there's some interesting
werewolf movies out there. There's that series of movies where
the vampires are fighting the werewolves Underworld or whatever with
the lady wearing all the leather, you know, with.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Lots of guns.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
So I don't know anything about this Underworld. Oh it's
a big yeah, Kate Beckhamsale, it was a whole I
like Kate Mecanziel.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
She's very talented.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah that's I am unshot to hear she. Yeah, she's
a vampire and they fight the werewolves, but they love
the they love one of the were wolves.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
It's kind of crazy, man, but it did really well.
It made a whole a whole bunch of these movies,
not the that's different than the like Mopi vampires. As
my friend my Leitch would say, right like that, what
was the movie with all the Mopi vampires? And they
also had to wear wolfs like the Taylor Watner and
uh oh oh, yes, the Twilight Twilightight series, which how
(35:13):
about Greg?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Producer Greg just immediately jumps in Emaillight movies. It's very romantic,
very very touching. I rarely hear him in my ear
and we're like, what is that?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Twilight movies? They're great, great films, Twilight films. I haven't
I haven't seen those ones. But yes, the brooding vampires.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That werewolves of that series are are quite quite something.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
By the way, the Exorcist Believer is being released this week.
It's the first Did you need to know about this
at all? Buck, I didn't know this three new Exorcist
films are being made. The second is going to be
released next in twenty twenty five. So they're making a
trilogy of Exorcist films, and the first one is going
(35:55):
to be out in a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I do not recommend people go see because because it
will be very scary.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
And you don't want to be walking around.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You know, if you're in like a giant house like Clays,
and you're walking down a dark corridor and you hear
something weird, you know, man, I freaked out the other day.
I had a tree frog land on my windshield as
I was driving, and that freaked me out for a second.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I was like, what is that. I've actually got video
of this. I should share it. Lit tree frog right
on the windshield. I to be.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I sleep walk still at the age of forty four,
and on late Saturday night, buck I in full sprint,
went outside the front door of my house into the street,
convinced that somebody was chasing me at like two am.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
WHOA.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I'm a legit sleepwalker, have been for my entire life.
I don't think it's that common, but I will legitimately
run open doors and run outside, never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I'll be back with you Tuesday.
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