November 20, 2023 • 37 mins
Stephen Miller, former president Trump’s man on illegal immigration, joins Clay and Buck to talk about big problems going on at the border, which is the most wide-open and lawless ever under Biden – and gives some potential ideas as well. Where does Stephen stand on if Democrats can replace Biden – and how he feels about picking people up from the airport? Clay says SNL is turning on the left as Jason Momoa mocks men in women’s sports. Argentina’s new president is really interesting and seems to know socialism is economic cancer. Vivek gets a little help from a kid. Caller says his family is big on airport pickups.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of Clan and Buck kicks off right now,
and we have our friend Stevid Miller with us. He
is the founder of America First Legal, a former senior
advisor in the Trump White House, and a vary astute
and wise fellow. Mister Miller, good to have you back.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thank you appreciate the introduction.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So we have some big stuff going on at the border,
or continuously happening at the border, as in it's the
most wide open that it has ever been, the most lawless.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's a massive problem.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
If you look at the polling for Biden the Democrats
going into twenty twenty four, and former President Trump has
put out some pretty big ideas and I know you've
been amplifying them for what he would do in his
second term. Can you take us through some of those
because I'm seeing talk of widespread deportations, for example, and
I'm a very serious escalation in that. How would that work?
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Can we get it done?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes? We can, And here's exactly how it would work.
So the way that interior enforcement works right now, well
underbidom does not even happening at all. But the way
it works historically is you have targeted enforcement actions focusing
on specific high priority individuals, So you work up specific
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packages against specific people and then you case them and
you follow them around and you carry out the arrest
you would need to, which would involve a massive increase
in personnel, in evolving the National Guard, involving DEA atf FBI,
state local and sheriffs as well too. You would need
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to switch to indiscriminate or large scale enforcement activities, basically
going into any place where there's no congregations of illegals
and holding everybody on site, determining who's there illegally, and
then taking people who are there illegally into federal detention.
Part here to understand, and of course you would still
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continue to do all of the targeted enforcement as well.
It would be an end not an ore. The key
part though, to actually being able to effectuate the removals
is to have large scale detention facilities to carry out
the removals, because this isn't like when Eisenhower did it
in the nineteen fifties when it was a strictly bilateral problem.
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Two countries were involved, the United States and Mexico. That
was it. So logistically it's pretty simple, right, where's everybody going.
They're going to Mexico. Now, if you were to do
a hypothetical raid at say a food processing facility, you
might get illegal aliens from two dozen different countries, and
each one of those illegal aliens has a different complicated
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fact pattern in terms of do they have a US
citizens spouse, do they have a US citizen child, do
they have some pending of filing applications, so on and
so forth, And so you need to be able to
then take all these individuals into an interior staging facility
to be able to then line up get the deportation order,
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and then line up the flight out of the country.
So to achieve efficiency at scale, the way this would
work is you try to co locate everybody in massive facilities,
probably near your existing border infrastructure. So you would go
to where you have your border patrol facilities, and this
way you'd be able to say okay. Every Monday, Wednesday,
and Friday are our flight's back to the Northern Triangle.
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Every Tuesday and Thursday are our flights to South America.
Every Saturday and Sunday are our flights to Africa. Right
once a week we do a flight to India. Once
a week we do a flight to China, so on
and so forth, and that way, as you're getting people
who've been here for different lengths of time and different
factional circumstances and everything else. When their case ends, whether
it be in an hour or a week, but it ends,
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there'll be a plane ready and fooled up and are
ready to go and take them home. The only detail
I'll add to this, and I could obviously talk about
it for an hour, but is that President Trump has
also said that he would invoke a statute that's been
on the books since the John Adams administration, which allows
you to deport any alien aged fourteen or older without
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due process if there's a declared state of incursion, a
predatory incursion, or invasion from that country. So this is
an extremely powerful tool that waives due process, whether it's
a state of invasion or a state of a quote
predatory incursion. And obviously under Biden, there is now multiple
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countries with invasions and predatory incursions into the United States,
and so that would be an additional authority that you'd
be able to use to expedite these removals.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Stephen, you know the border better than I would bet
almost anybody in the country. In terms of how to
handle the situation there. You obviously be very highly involved
in any Trump administration twenty twenty four. Obviously, the polls
out there look incredible right now for Trump. He's up
in basically every single national poll I've seen. We've all
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discussed in great detail how well he's doing in swing states.
We consistently, however, get emails from people out there who say,
it doesn't matter, the Democrats are going to rig the
system again. How confident are you, again you're plugged in
as well as anybody, that the voting systems are going
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to be cleaner and more reliable in twenty twenty four
than they were in twenty twenty, or are you confident
in that? That's I would say, I bet Buck would agree.
One of the number one questions we get about the
twenty twenty four election, is it going to be safer
in more secure by far than twenty twenty. What's happened
to change that? How would you assess and answer that question?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, there's obviously some red states that have implemented important
election reforms, and that's something that we should all celebrate.
But it's still the wild West, as we know, in
so many blue states like Nevada, for example. But number one,
this is going to be this is going to be
a forever problem. Right, So people need to internalize the
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fact that as long as there are radical leftists in
this country, they are going to try to sabotage the
machinery of our elections in any state they can control.
And even if you fix things, you know, one you're
like to fix things in Pennsylvania, right, Well, eventually they'll
take control again in Pennsylvania and they'll destroy it all
over again. And so you have to do two things,
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and this is these are two things that President Trump
is absolutely committed that you're doing. Number One is you
have to build a world class ballot harvesting operation to
try to and this is an expression we've known for
many years, right, you have to try to beat the
cheap you have to overcome the margin of fraud that
you're going to do anticipate. And then the second thing
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that you have to do is obviously put together a
world class legal team so that when the time comes
for election challenges that you're in their hearts. You're in
there early, you're in there aggressively. But the reality is
is that this is going to be a permanent, forever problem.
And so there's no way of pretending that you could
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choose some other course or choose some other tax and
you're not going to have to deal with this. The
reality is is that it's going to keep happening, is
going to continue happening. And the answer for the Republican
Party is, everywhere you can fix the election laws, you
fix them, and everywhere you can't, again like Nevada, where
it really is the wild West, and there's no way
to fix them in Nevada because of the composition of
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the legislature and the governor's office. Then you just have
to fight fire with fire, and you have to drop
box and you have to ballot harpers, and you have
to do all of that, and with such a sophistication
and the degree of financing that again that you beat
the cheap And the reality is that the President Trump
is the best positioned candidate by orders of magnitude to
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be able to bring out the millions with an m
the millions of voters that are the gold mine in
ballot harvesting, and those are voters that are known as
low propensity, high affinity, in other words, voters that are
very unlikely to vote, but totally love you. That is
how you win elections with ballot harvesting is before election day,
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collecting millions and millions of ballots from the voters who
love you, but almost never a vote. That's the key.
Right there, we're speaking.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
To Steven Miller of America First Legal, and Steven, I
want to give you this opportunity to uh wish President
Biden a happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
He's eighty one today.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And a little bit more seriously, if you would just
tell us where do you come down on all this?
Because you've got all this chatter from a lot of
Democrats about how there has to be a plan b
and I just sit here and I keep asking, Okay,
well what would the plan be be?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
They don't have it. There's no there's no safe landing
spot for them, and any notion there's an easy way
to force Biden out and then force Kamala Harris out
and then nominate some other Democrat. The datas are taking by,
the months are taking by. There's no clean removal operation
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available to anything or anybody at this point in time.
So they are screwed no matter how you look at it.
And we all hear about this, this Gavin Newsom fantasy,
which again involves convincing Joe Biden to give up the
one thing that he's coveted for his entire adult life
above anything and everything else, and then to convince Kamala
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Harris to become maybe there's some other historical president, I
can't think of it, at least the first vice president
in memory, just to completely bow out because she's loathed
and hated by voters, and then to install Gavin Newsom,
who would have to run defending the California record at
a time in which those issues are front and center
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in America's minds, in terms of crime, in terms of education,
in terms of the cost of living. I mean, it
would just be a calamity for Democrats because everybody intuitive
the understands the California has gone to hell, that Los
Angeles has gone to hell, and so on, and so
I think that they're just trapped. They have a candidate
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whose mind is flipping away by the day, who can
barely even function, and there is no way at all
they have They have only two poison chiles as to
Jews from Biden or the most complicated candidate replacement operation
in the history and both are completely at this point
calamitous for Democrats.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Steven Miller with us right now, Stephen, where do you
stand on picking people up.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
At the airport.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
In terms of if.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
A heart do you think we had a big debate
about this as a holiday season? Let me set let
me set the tables for you. It's a holiday season.
I'm gonna be one of the biggest.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I thought you're asking me how I feel about picking
illegal aliens up at the airport, and I think I'm
strongly opposed to that. I love that we discouraged that.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Uh So, Buck and I are of the opinion that
holiday travel, it is a disaster to try to drive
to an airport to pick someone up, right like the
coming in for the holiday or whatever. Get an uber,
get a lift, manage to not have to add a.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Person should be asking anyone to pick them up at
the airport as a general matter. So number one is
a person you should never be known as the person
who picks up people at the airport. I haven't picked
up anybody but my immediate nuclear family at the airport
basically in my entire life. Like you're my wife or
my children, I'm not picking you up at the airport.
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The only exception to that that I've ever made, which
I would advise any intelligent man to make, would be
for my and loss. But that would be it. But
you don't want to be known as a mark that's
going around to pick people up at the airport. Let
alone with the holidays, there's one hundred different ways to
get to drive from the airport home at this point
in time, so I'm strongly opposed to it. But again
there's reasonable exceptions in the interest of welfare in the home.
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And obviously if you're interellocked me to ride to the airport,
you're just gonna have to suck it up and do it.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
This is I knew that you would have a totally
logical analysis here, because much of what you do is
completely logical from a political perspective.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You're on the right team here. Like this whole idea
of driving.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
People to the airport and picking people up is it's
really just become an infestation in its own.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Like nineteen seventy nine, Why is anybody in your twenty
twenty three asking anybody to help them get to and
from the airport, Like this is a novel experiment that
we don't know how to get to and from the
airport on our own. I mean, I suppose if you
lived in like deep deep deep out on the country
and there is just no possible way, that's different. But
if you're living in or around or near any kind
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of major city, you need to be getting yourself to
and from the airport. And there's something wrong with you
if you're putting that kind of pressure on your friends,
if you're saying, like, hey, I'm coming on Christmas Eve,
if you completely drop everything you're doing and drive an
hours of traffic to pick me up at the airport,
and then wait in line for forty five minutes and
then get told by people in yellow and orange bass
every five minutes that you need to move. You're gonna
get toured, You're gonna get ticketed. Who's asking anybody to
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do that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's so well said. Happy Thanksgiving to you. We'll talk
to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Steven, Happy Thanksgiving Godlass.
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Speaker 6 (14:18):
Play Travis and Buck Sexton on the Front Lines of Truth.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Maybe early
to make this pronouncement, Buck, but I have found myself
watching occasionally SNL skits that's Saturday Night Live skits, and
it seems to me that they have started to mock
and ridicule things on the left in a way that
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they did not do for years and years. Now, part
of me thinks this is probably just market based. They're
probably getting data showing that their audience has declined and
that they're no longer appealing to both sides of the
political aisle. But they had Jason Momoa over the weekend,
the guy who plays Aquaman as probably that's the most
best known role. I would guess Kyl Drogo in Game
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of Thrones. Yes, yes, also really good in Game of Thrones.
If you don't know him, your wife or girlfriend probably do.
But he's a big guy, he's good looking guy. He
was guest hosting and they did a mock sports documentary
on men versus Women in tennis, with him playing a
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male tennis star competing in a battle of the sexes
against a woman. Now, partly I would encourage you to
watch it. It's pretty ridiculous, but I think we have
some audio. Effectively, what you end up with is the
male tennis player decapitates the female tennis player because he's
so much big, stronger, and faster than the woman.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
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Speaker 3 (16:22):
We should have seen it coming.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
He was three hundred pounds of pure muscle, and she
was one of the lowest ranked female players at the time.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It did, I ruin it for women? You all right,
there's a hole in her stomach.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Man, So the first to serve goes through her entire
body and leaves a hole in her stomach.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Spoiler alert.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
The second one decapitates her, and again it's done in
a mockumentary style, as if it is a documentary that
is being shown on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I believe buck. Is this an encouraging.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Sign that suddenly all at least some of the left's
holy grails are being ridiculed or is it a false faint?
And when Trump is the nominee, they'll go back to,
oh he's Hitler and there's no humor. It's just propaganda
all over again.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I wish I.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Could say it was the former, but I think it's
probably the latter. I don't think that they can give up,
and they will only give up on the trends agenda
as it pertains to sports when there's some other manufactured
social justice crusade they could replace it with or that
they could shift their focus to. So until that happens,
or unless that happens, I think at best you get
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temporary detente with the radical left on this stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
They're still not going full south Park, And I mean,
I don't think you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
That south that SNL has made fun of the idea
of a man being a women's champion, with the macho
man Randy Savage south Park being the best possible example
of this. It's such low hanging, but I thought this
was a step in.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
The right direction.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It's definitely a step in the right direction, and they're
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Speaker 6 (19:00):
Klay, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I want to switch gears here for second. Clay, I
just I just think this is really interesting. People are
paying some attention to this. I know Tucker did an
interview with this guy recently, but there's a a new
president in Argentina, Javier Millay, who is a self described
anarcho capitalist. This guy is a fifty three year old
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congressman in Argentina and he's he was a TV pundit
and got a lot of don't get any ideas. Clay
got a lot of public support for his punditry and
then decided to take it into politics.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
The next the next level.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And this guy, look, he's interesting, he's got kind of
a very unique look. It's been described. It's described here
in the Wall Street Journal right up as wolverine like
side burns. He is a big Milton Friedman fan. This
guy has five English Mastiffs. By the way, I don't
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know how I've got an adorable little nine pound puppy
and carry and I are just you know, this thing
is taken over our lives day to day. Five English mastiffs.
Those things are huge anyway, four of whom are cloned
and named after free market economists. He's studying to convert
to Judaism. He opposes abortion. He wants to create a market.
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He's a free market guy, he said. He said he
would support creating a market to buy and sell organs.
Doesn't believe climate change. Is man made a former frontman
for a rock band, a backup goalie for a local.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Professional soccer team.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I mean, I gotta say this guy is it's just
really he's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So just that's one of this is.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Now he's sort of entering and they're calling him fall
right and a trumpest kind of guy and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Entering the conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
In a way that I think we may be hearing
more about this guy, but me Lay he also by
he says like leftists are disgusting and and he wants
to get rid of all these government agencies and leftists
are are atrocious, and he's I mean, he's taken big
swings at the communists all over the place. But Clay,
Argentina used to be a wealthy country. Yeah, you know,
a long time ago. Argentina was a wealthy country. And
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it's a have you ever been beautiful?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I would love to god. I've never been to Latin
America period. I mean Costa Rica if you want to
count that. That's as far south as I lived in
the Caribbean. But that's as far south as I've been Argentine.
I went a few years ago, just for a quick
stopover a couple of days. But Argentina is a beautiful
country with really, you know, with a lot going for it.
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I feel like I'm describing a friend who's on the
dating set. It's got a lot going for it, but
it really does. Argentina, unfortunately, is at one hundred and
forty percent inflation, Clay. And here's the thing, here's what
you're gonna see right now. This is why it matters
to one. I just think this.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Guy is a fascinating political figure. You know, it's just
interesting to see his rise. You're seeing more of this
two outsiders with media savvy and you know, unique background.
Bryce Johnson, I mean, honestly too would fit into this
category from England, right.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Like he went to Eton or something.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I mean, he's kind of like but he's got the
wacky hair and like four wives and like remember he
had like kids coming in They don't even know how
many kids he had, like, but there's kind of that
eccentric you know, like sort of ruppled professor.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Look. That seems similar to this Argentinian guy.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And there was that guy Berlusconi in Italy who was
quite all he was very Trumpian. So so there's a
number of you know, you see these people rising. And
I think Finland, not that we spend a lot of
time on Finnish politics here, but I think they just
elected their most hard right government ever. And there's a
couple of other countries in Europe I can't think off
the top I had that have moved significantly right in
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the last year or so in their elections and how
they're doing things anyway, what's so interesting to me? Clay
is the left in this country obviously hates this guy.
They hate me lay right already, they're trying to trash him.
He's trump everything else. The economy of Argentina has been destroyed,
just like the economy of Venezuela has been destroyed, just
like the economy and really the you know, social structures
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and everything of most Latin American countries. Let's be honest.
I'm here in South Florida. People will tell you the
truth about if you ask them what happened in Cuba,
what happened in Venezuela, What's happened in Central America, what's
happening right now in Colombia?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Why does Brazil have? You know, a lot of the
problems that has.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Socialism is economic cancer. Socialism destroys, it destroys Latin American economies,
It's destroyed quality of life. And finally, at least in Argentina,
which has there's no excuse for what a mess that
place is. People are recognizing he won by a pretty
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big margin. Let's stop doing the socialism thing and see
if maybe we can get something else going on.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I also think there's a sense, and you can feel
it percolating everywhere that many people just want to preserve.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Their country's culture.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And I think, certainly in Europe, in the wake of
what's happened in Israel, a lot of people are looking
around and saying, wait a minute, look at all these
people who are coming out and supporting Hamas and Palestine
in our country. Are we starting to undercut what has
made our country uniquely successful? Because the idea is, Okay,
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everybody comes to the United States and they assimilate, and
we're a great melting pot, for instance. That is the
argument in favor of mass immigration. And the problem is
the Democrats now are saying, no, no, no, the melting
pot is racist. We want you to continue to be
a member of what I've ever identity you are as
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you come into this country. And so I think there's
a lot of people rejecting and repudiating that idea that
comes from identity politics and saying, wait a minute, what
is the cultural identity of the country. I also think
you build on this buck there is an analogy out
there that, much as Brexit, which happened in twenty fifteen,
presaged in many ways the Donald Trump election in twenty sixteen,
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people are now looking and look, you can look in
different countries and take different lessons depending on what's going on.
But I'm seeing circulating on social media oh much as
Brexit pressage, the rise of Trump and sixteen and sort
of that tidal wave of disruption that this guy's election,
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this sort of rumpled outsider in Argentina is now a
forerunner to the return of Donald Trump in the United States.
To what extent you can take lessons from foreign elections,
I think is difficult, but that analogy is already being drawn.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's just interesting as well to see how the left
wing intelligentsia or so called intelligencia in this country immediately,
I mean they they are people of deep affinity with
socialism and so called social justice. I mean, that's somehow
we live in the the capitalist you know, the ultimate
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capitalist country.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I know you could say, oh, we have a lot
of ways in which we.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Fall short of this ideal, but you know, we are
the capitalist engine of the of the global economy if there's.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
No other place. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And yet are elites, including those who do economic reporting,
are all really sympathetic to socialism. I mean not all,
but overwhelmingly they're sympathetic to socialism. And we sit here,
go what is wrong with these people, Like, what do
they not see? Latin America has been devas devastated for
decades by socialist idiocy. It has it destroyed Venezuela, it
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has it has destroyed Argentina. I mean, you get on
the list and it's not like it's it's you know, oh,
that's just our opinion on some of this stuff. Clay,
the art Argentine Paeso has lost ninety percent of its
value against the dollar. I mean, imagine, if you've been working,
you're trying to save money as an Argentinian businessman or whatever,
your money has lost ninety percent of its value visa
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via the dollar. To give you a sense of your
purchasing power, what's going? How could there be a bigger
That level of inflation, that level of economic devastation, destroys countries,
destroys futures, destroys people's.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Hopes and dreams.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And you have this new guy who comes in who's like,
let's let's try something different, let's address it. And in
our country, people who are being paid you know, half
a million, two million, whatever dollars a year to go
on TV and talk about economics.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Look, this guy's Trumpian he's going to run the economy
into the ground.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Well, you know better than most in Miami because they've
driven up property values to such an extent. How do
you handle a collapsing country economy. You get as many
of your dollars out of that country and you put
it into hard physical assets in the United States as
you can, which is why so many wealthy people in
Latin America own property in South Florida, because they at
least feel like that is not going to get completely
(28:07):
wiped out. It's a flight to safety.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And you're right.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I think it's incredibly important for anyone out there who
wants to lead this country to have had to at
some point work in a capitalistic system where you understand
what it means to have to make a profit or
you have to fire people, because in our government and
(28:32):
a lot of people out there, if you work in
government related jobs, you don't understand the concept of having
to run an efficient business and that there is a
requirement of profit in order to hire. And that's why
we have I think, frankly, why we have a thirty
three trillion dollar debt now is because a lot of
(28:53):
people who have never balanced a budget in their entire life,
suddenly get given control of the federal government, and they
don't understand the concept of how profit and loss even
works because they've never had to reconcile with it at
any point in their life.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's just so depressing to see how often it's really
about human psychology and mass psychology. But if you look
at if you look at what's happened in Venezuela, if
you look at what's which people like to point out
this factoid that it has the largest proven oil reserves
in the world, larger than Saudi Arabia, and yet it
somehow is just economically devastated. You can't even the whole
(29:28):
country has been ruined. Effectively, it's turned into a giant,
you know, exit platform for refugees, including into into Miami
here where I am. But Clay, with all with all
these things that go on, with all of that that
we've seen that all it really takes is play on
people's uh, play on people's envy, and play on people's fear,
(29:48):
and you can get them to do anything you want.
Right you tell you tell them, oh, you're not gonna
be able to You're not gonna be able to make it.
You're not gonna be able to get it done. And
it's those other people that are the reason why. If
they just paid their fare share, or if those you know, industrialists,
or those bankers or those capital owners or whatever, if
you just put me in power and put me in
charge and let me do what I want to them,
(30:09):
you'd have free healthcare, you'd have free schooling. Everything would
be great. Your house price would come down. Everything you
know or your housing prices would come down. It's a lie, yes,
but people don't understand economics. They understand envy, and they
understand fear.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
It's a lie sold by people who don't understand economics mostly,
but the people who do and sell it really make
me sick, because if you haven't laid in bed at
some point running a small business and worried about the
state of your business and payroll and the fact that
you're trying to make sure that all of your employees
can pay their mortgages and can pay for their kids
(30:43):
schooling and everything else, I don't want you, frankly, running
the country because I don't think you've experienced what you
should have experienced in the economics sphere to understand it.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I really you see Joe Biden. I'm trying to see
what the number is from his official account. It's not
Joe Biden, it's his team, but he shared something out
that says that basically Biden has created the most jobs.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Here I've got in front of me.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
To your point about not running a business and not
knowing anything, yeah, Biden claims to have created in the
first three years about fourteen million jobs. Oh yeah, and
according to this, according to this thing that they shared,
you know, Reagan created four hundred and eighty thousand jobs.
So fourteen million jobs is what he says. Is they're
counting the jobs that started again when they stopped lockdowns. Yes,
(31:33):
as jobs created. I mean, this would be like if
I walked up to a building and I said, hey,
everybody out, I'm gonna light it on fire, and then okay,
you can go back, you know, the next day and
be like I just created jobs. You didn't create jobs,
you just stop destroying jobs. I'm not sure what the
latest number is. Maybe we can look this up. I
(31:53):
think the percentage of people who are working has only
now maybe reach what it was in February of twenty
twenty under Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
In other words, if we had an honest accounting Buck.
The percentage of adults out there working in the economy
peaked in like February of twenty twenty with Donald Trump,
and I think we're just now, maybe in the fourth year,
about to be of Joe Biden back to where we
were when we started the lockdowns over three years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
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Speaker 4 (33:58):
In final segment of the week, Buck sexman who is
off for Thanksgiving, And I thought I would serenade you
Buck with Iowa drama.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Nicky Haley out campaigning.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You never know what's gonna happen when you talk to
a kid at a campaign event.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
This just happened in Iowa.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
I love your hat.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Sorry. That's New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
And if you couldn't hear that very well, the little
girl is wearing a Nicky Haley hat. Nicki Haley says,
I love your hat, and the little girl immediately says,
thank you, one of your guys gave it to me
for free. So out of the out of the mouths
of babes Buck, you never know what's what the truth
is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Must be a bit of a vake plant in the audience.
There that nine year old the vake hatter, trained and
ready to go.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
We've got a ton of people reacting to our airport travel.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
We're right, I.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Understand people out there like I love hanging out at
the airport for sixteen straight hours waiting to see whether
or not somebody's to show up or not.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Uber exists for a reason. Use it.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Caleb in Fresno wants to wants to start a ruckus.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
What's up? Caleb? Hello, you're you're on air. We're hearing you.
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:14):
All right?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Man? Hey?
Speaker 7 (35:17):
I wanted to go at it from an angle of relationships.
So this is actually come from a family that's pretty
big on taking people to the airport, and I didn't
even know that wasn't a thing until I got married.
And my wife is definitely on your side of things.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
I remember my first trip with an airport when we
were first married. She looked at me sideways when I
assumed that she would be picking me up from the airport.
So I can not tell you how much benefit I've
seen from the time spend in the car ride back
from the airport or to the airport with people in
(35:59):
the are, whether it's an acquaintance or direct family, you
can go into the airport.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
So I I'm gonna give you a Q quick counterport.
Thank you Caleb for calling in. See Clay, When I'm
forced to go pick someone up at the airport and
I don't want to, you know what it does to
my relationship with that person. I start when I'm stuck
in that traffic. I start pounding that wheel with my fist.
I start saying things that I cannot say on radio
because of the FCC. Yeah, I get frustrated.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I don't there are lots of places where you can
have conversations. I don't know that it's necessary at the
car right to the airport. And again, everybody that goes
to the airport that is unnecessarily at the airport makes
it that much harder for the people that actually need
to go to the airport. Because I guarantee you, when
(36:49):
I go to the airport tonight to pick up my
fifteen year old. The entire airport has all spilled onto
the interstate, and I'm going to spend a ton of
time trying to get to them, when if everybody just
took an uber or certainly you can drive park yourself,
the entire system would be far more efficient. I'm just
trying to make American airports great again. It's all I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
It's time for you to get Clay Force one man,
you know, start doing it that way.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Well, that's that's certainly a player.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Third hour of Clan and Buck kicks off right now,
and we have our friend Stevid Miller with us. He
is the founder of America First Legal, a former senior
advisor in the Trump White House, and a vary astute
and wise fellow. Mister Miller, good to have you back.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thank you appreciate the introduction.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So we have some big stuff going on at the border,
or continuously happening at the border, as in it's the
most wide open that it has ever been, the most lawless.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's a massive problem.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
If you look at the polling for Biden the Democrats
going into twenty twenty four, and former President Trump has
put out some pretty big ideas and I know you've
been amplifying them for what he would do in his
second term. Can you take us through some of those
because I'm seeing talk of widespread deportations, for example, and
I'm a very serious escalation in that. How would that work?
(00:54):
Can we get it done?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes? We can, And here's exactly how it would work.
So the way that interior enforcement works right now, well
underbidom does not even happening at all. But the way
it works historically is you have targeted enforcement actions focusing
on specific high priority individuals, So you work up specific
(01:20):
packages against specific people and then you case them and
you follow them around and you carry out the arrest
you would need to, which would involve a massive increase
in personnel, in evolving the National Guard, involving DEA atf FBI,
state local and sheriffs as well too. You would need
(01:40):
to switch to indiscriminate or large scale enforcement activities, basically
going into any place where there's no congregations of illegals
and holding everybody on site, determining who's there illegally, and
then taking people who are there illegally into federal detention.
Part here to understand, and of course you would still
(02:02):
continue to do all of the targeted enforcement as well.
It would be an end not an ore. The key
part though, to actually being able to effectuate the removals
is to have large scale detention facilities to carry out
the removals, because this isn't like when Eisenhower did it
in the nineteen fifties when it was a strictly bilateral problem.
(02:25):
Two countries were involved, the United States and Mexico. That
was it. So logistically it's pretty simple, right, where's everybody going.
They're going to Mexico. Now, if you were to do
a hypothetical raid at say a food processing facility, you
might get illegal aliens from two dozen different countries, and
each one of those illegal aliens has a different complicated
(02:47):
fact pattern in terms of do they have a US
citizens spouse, do they have a US citizen child, do
they have some pending of filing applications, so on and
so forth, And so you need to be able to
then take all these individuals into an interior staging facility
to be able to then line up get the deportation order,
(03:08):
and then line up the flight out of the country.
So to achieve efficiency at scale, the way this would
work is you try to co locate everybody in massive facilities,
probably near your existing border infrastructure. So you would go
to where you have your border patrol facilities, and this
way you'd be able to say okay. Every Monday, Wednesday,
and Friday are our flight's back to the Northern Triangle.
(03:30):
Every Tuesday and Thursday are our flights to South America.
Every Saturday and Sunday are our flights to Africa. Right
once a week we do a flight to India. Once
a week we do a flight to China, so on
and so forth, and that way, as you're getting people
who've been here for different lengths of time and different
factional circumstances and everything else. When their case ends, whether
it be in an hour or a week, but it ends,
(03:53):
there'll be a plane ready and fooled up and are
ready to go and take them home. The only detail
I'll add to this, and I could obviously talk about
it for an hour, but is that President Trump has
also said that he would invoke a statute that's been
on the books since the John Adams administration, which allows
you to deport any alien aged fourteen or older without
(04:17):
due process if there's a declared state of incursion, a
predatory incursion, or invasion from that country. So this is
an extremely powerful tool that waives due process, whether it's
a state of invasion or a state of a quote
predatory incursion. And obviously under Biden, there is now multiple
(04:38):
countries with invasions and predatory incursions into the United States,
and so that would be an additional authority that you'd
be able to use to expedite these removals.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Stephen, you know the border better than I would bet
almost anybody in the country. In terms of how to
handle the situation there. You obviously be very highly involved
in any Trump administration twenty twenty four. Obviously, the polls
out there look incredible right now for Trump. He's up
in basically every single national poll I've seen. We've all
(05:09):
discussed in great detail how well he's doing in swing states.
We consistently, however, get emails from people out there who say,
it doesn't matter, the Democrats are going to rig the
system again. How confident are you, again you're plugged in
as well as anybody, that the voting systems are going
(05:30):
to be cleaner and more reliable in twenty twenty four
than they were in twenty twenty, or are you confident
in that? That's I would say, I bet Buck would agree.
One of the number one questions we get about the
twenty twenty four election, is it going to be safer
in more secure by far than twenty twenty. What's happened
to change that? How would you assess and answer that question?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, there's obviously some red states that have implemented important
election reforms, and that's something that we should all celebrate.
But it's still the wild West, as we know, in
so many blue states like Nevada, for example. But number one,
this is going to be this is going to be
a forever problem. Right, So people need to internalize the
(06:16):
fact that as long as there are radical leftists in
this country, they are going to try to sabotage the
machinery of our elections in any state they can control.
And even if you fix things, you know, one you're
like to fix things in Pennsylvania, right, Well, eventually they'll
take control again in Pennsylvania and they'll destroy it all
over again. And so you have to do two things,
(06:38):
and this is these are two things that President Trump
is absolutely committed that you're doing. Number One is you
have to build a world class ballot harvesting operation to
try to and this is an expression we've known for
many years, right, you have to try to beat the
cheap you have to overcome the margin of fraud that
you're going to do anticipate. And then the second thing
(07:00):
that you have to do is obviously put together a
world class legal team so that when the time comes
for election challenges that you're in their hearts. You're in
there early, you're in there aggressively. But the reality is
is that this is going to be a permanent, forever problem.
And so there's no way of pretending that you could
(07:21):
choose some other course or choose some other tax and
you're not going to have to deal with this. The
reality is is that it's going to keep happening, is
going to continue happening. And the answer for the Republican
Party is, everywhere you can fix the election laws, you
fix them, and everywhere you can't, again like Nevada, where
it really is the wild West, and there's no way
to fix them in Nevada because of the composition of
(07:43):
the legislature and the governor's office. Then you just have
to fight fire with fire, and you have to drop
box and you have to ballot harpers, and you have
to do all of that, and with such a sophistication
and the degree of financing that again that you beat
the cheap And the reality is that the President Trump
is the best positioned candidate by orders of magnitude to
(08:04):
be able to bring out the millions with an m
the millions of voters that are the gold mine in
ballot harvesting, and those are voters that are known as
low propensity, high affinity, in other words, voters that are
very unlikely to vote, but totally love you. That is
how you win elections with ballot harvesting is before election day,
(08:28):
collecting millions and millions of ballots from the voters who
love you, but almost never a vote. That's the key.
Right there, we're speaking.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
To Steven Miller of America First Legal, and Steven, I
want to give you this opportunity to uh wish President
Biden a happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
He's eighty one today.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And a little bit more seriously, if you would just
tell us where do you come down on all this?
Because you've got all this chatter from a lot of
Democrats about how there has to be a plan b
and I just sit here and I keep asking, Okay,
well what would the plan be be?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
They don't have it. There's no there's no safe landing
spot for them, and any notion there's an easy way
to force Biden out and then force Kamala Harris out
and then nominate some other Democrat. The datas are taking by,
the months are taking by. There's no clean removal operation
(09:22):
available to anything or anybody at this point in time.
So they are screwed no matter how you look at it.
And we all hear about this, this Gavin Newsom fantasy,
which again involves convincing Joe Biden to give up the
one thing that he's coveted for his entire adult life
above anything and everything else, and then to convince Kamala
(09:43):
Harris to become maybe there's some other historical president, I
can't think of it, at least the first vice president
in memory, just to completely bow out because she's loathed
and hated by voters, and then to install Gavin Newsom,
who would have to run defending the California record at
a time in which those issues are front and center
(10:03):
in America's minds, in terms of crime, in terms of education,
in terms of the cost of living. I mean, it
would just be a calamity for Democrats because everybody intuitive
the understands the California has gone to hell, that Los
Angeles has gone to hell, and so on, and so
I think that they're just trapped. They have a candidate
(10:23):
whose mind is flipping away by the day, who can
barely even function, and there is no way at all
they have They have only two poison chiles as to
Jews from Biden or the most complicated candidate replacement operation
in the history and both are completely at this point
calamitous for Democrats.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Steven Miller with us right now, Stephen, where do you
stand on picking people up.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
At the airport.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
In terms of if.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
A heart do you think we had a big debate
about this as a holiday season? Let me set let
me set the tables for you. It's a holiday season.
I'm gonna be one of the biggest.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I thought you're asking me how I feel about picking
illegal aliens up at the airport, and I think I'm
strongly opposed to that. I love that we discouraged that.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Uh So, Buck and I are of the opinion that
holiday travel, it is a disaster to try to drive
to an airport to pick someone up, right like the
coming in for the holiday or whatever. Get an uber,
get a lift, manage to not have to add a.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Person should be asking anyone to pick them up at
the airport as a general matter. So number one is
a person you should never be known as the person
who picks up people at the airport. I haven't picked
up anybody but my immediate nuclear family at the airport
basically in my entire life. Like you're my wife or
my children, I'm not picking you up at the airport.
(11:47):
The only exception to that that I've ever made, which
I would advise any intelligent man to make, would be
for my and loss. But that would be it. But
you don't want to be known as a mark that's
going around to pick people up at the airport. Let
alone with the holidays, there's one hundred different ways to
get to drive from the airport home at this point
in time, so I'm strongly opposed to it. But again
there's reasonable exceptions in the interest of welfare in the home.
(12:12):
And obviously if you're interellocked me to ride to the airport,
you're just gonna have to suck it up and do it.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
This is I knew that you would have a totally
logical analysis here, because much of what you do is
completely logical from a political perspective.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You're on the right team here. Like this whole idea
of driving.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
People to the airport and picking people up is it's
really just become an infestation in its own.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Like nineteen seventy nine, Why is anybody in your twenty
twenty three asking anybody to help them get to and
from the airport, Like this is a novel experiment that
we don't know how to get to and from the
airport on our own. I mean, I suppose if you
lived in like deep deep deep out on the country
and there is just no possible way, that's different. But
if you're living in or around or near any kind
(12:55):
of major city, you need to be getting yourself to
and from the airport. And there's something wrong with you
if you're putting that kind of pressure on your friends,
if you're saying, like, hey, I'm coming on Christmas Eve,
if you completely drop everything you're doing and drive an
hours of traffic to pick me up at the airport,
and then wait in line for forty five minutes and
then get told by people in yellow and orange bass
every five minutes that you need to move. You're gonna
get toured, You're gonna get ticketed. Who's asking anybody to
(13:16):
do that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's so well said. Happy Thanksgiving to you. We'll talk
to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Steven, Happy Thanksgiving Godlass.
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Play Travis and Buck Sexton on the Front Lines of Truth.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Maybe early
to make this pronouncement, Buck, but I have found myself
watching occasionally SNL skits that's Saturday Night Live skits, and
it seems to me that they have started to mock
and ridicule things on the left in a way that
(14:54):
they did not do for years and years. Now, part
of me thinks this is probably just market based. They're
probably getting data showing that their audience has declined and
that they're no longer appealing to both sides of the
political aisle. But they had Jason Momoa over the weekend,
the guy who plays Aquaman as probably that's the most
best known role. I would guess Kyl Drogo in Game
(15:18):
of Thrones. Yes, yes, also really good in Game of Thrones.
If you don't know him, your wife or girlfriend probably do.
But he's a big guy, he's good looking guy. He
was guest hosting and they did a mock sports documentary
on men versus Women in tennis, with him playing a
(15:41):
male tennis star competing in a battle of the sexes
against a woman. Now, partly I would encourage you to
watch it. It's pretty ridiculous, but I think we have
some audio. Effectively, what you end up with is the
male tennis player decapitates the female tennis player because he's
so much big, stronger, and faster than the woman.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Listen, all eyes are on the Houston Astronome tonight to
witness this historic man. Man here comes the first served.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
We should have seen it coming.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
He was three hundred pounds of pure muscle, and she
was one of the lowest ranked female players at the time.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It did, I ruin it for women? You all right,
there's a hole in her stomach.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Man, So the first to serve goes through her entire
body and leaves a hole in her stomach.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Spoiler alert.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
The second one decapitates her, and again it's done in
a mockumentary style, as if it is a documentary that
is being shown on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I believe buck. Is this an encouraging.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Sign that suddenly all at least some of the left's
holy grails are being ridiculed or is it a false faint?
And when Trump is the nominee, they'll go back to,
oh he's Hitler and there's no humor. It's just propaganda
all over again.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I wish I.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Could say it was the former, but I think it's
probably the latter. I don't think that they can give up,
and they will only give up on the trends agenda
as it pertains to sports when there's some other manufactured
social justice crusade they could replace it with or that
they could shift their focus to. So until that happens,
or unless that happens, I think at best you get
(17:39):
temporary detente with the radical left on this stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
They're still not going full south Park, And I mean,
I don't think you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
That south that SNL has made fun of the idea
of a man being a women's champion, with the macho
man Randy Savage south Park being the best possible example
of this. It's such low hanging, but I thought this
was a step in.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
The right direction.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It's definitely a step in the right direction, and they're
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Klay, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I want to switch gears here for second. Clay, I
just I just think this is really interesting. People are
paying some attention to this. I know Tucker did an
interview with this guy recently, but there's a a new
president in Argentina, Javier Millay, who is a self described
anarcho capitalist. This guy is a fifty three year old
(19:34):
congressman in Argentina and he's he was a TV pundit
and got a lot of don't get any ideas. Clay
got a lot of public support for his punditry and
then decided to take it into politics.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
The next the next level.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And this guy, look, he's interesting, he's got kind of
a very unique look. It's been described. It's described here
in the Wall Street Journal right up as wolverine like
side burns. He is a big Milton Friedman fan. This
guy has five English Mastiffs. By the way, I don't
(20:11):
know how I've got an adorable little nine pound puppy
and carry and I are just you know, this thing
is taken over our lives day to day. Five English mastiffs.
Those things are huge anyway, four of whom are cloned
and named after free market economists. He's studying to convert
to Judaism. He opposes abortion. He wants to create a market.
(20:34):
He's a free market guy, he said. He said he
would support creating a market to buy and sell organs.
Doesn't believe climate change. Is man made a former frontman
for a rock band, a backup goalie for a local.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Professional soccer team.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I mean, I gotta say this guy is it's just
really he's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So just that's one of this is.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Now he's sort of entering and they're calling him fall
right and a trumpest kind of guy and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Entering the conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
In a way that I think we may be hearing
more about this guy, but me Lay he also by
he says like leftists are disgusting and and he wants
to get rid of all these government agencies and leftists
are are atrocious, and he's I mean, he's taken big
swings at the communists all over the place. But Clay,
Argentina used to be a wealthy country. Yeah, you know,
a long time ago. Argentina was a wealthy country. And
(21:30):
it's a have you ever been beautiful?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I would love to god. I've never been to Latin
America period. I mean Costa Rica if you want to
count that. That's as far south as I lived in
the Caribbean. But that's as far south as I've been Argentine.
I went a few years ago, just for a quick
stopover a couple of days. But Argentina is a beautiful
country with really, you know, with a lot going for it.
(21:52):
I feel like I'm describing a friend who's on the
dating set. It's got a lot going for it, but
it really does. Argentina, unfortunately, is at one hundred and
forty percent inflation, Clay. And here's the thing, here's what
you're gonna see right now. This is why it matters
to one. I just think this.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Guy is a fascinating political figure. You know, it's just
interesting to see his rise. You're seeing more of this
two outsiders with media savvy and you know, unique background.
Bryce Johnson, I mean, honestly too would fit into this
category from England, right.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Like he went to Eton or something.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I mean, he's kind of like but he's got the
wacky hair and like four wives and like remember he
had like kids coming in They don't even know how
many kids he had, like, but there's kind of that
eccentric you know, like sort of ruppled professor.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Look. That seems similar to this Argentinian guy.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And there was that guy Berlusconi in Italy who was
quite all he was very Trumpian. So so there's a
number of you know, you see these people rising. And
I think Finland, not that we spend a lot of
time on Finnish politics here, but I think they just
elected their most hard right government ever. And there's a
couple of other countries in Europe I can't think off
the top I had that have moved significantly right in
(23:01):
the last year or so in their elections and how
they're doing things anyway, what's so interesting to me? Clay
is the left in this country obviously hates this guy.
They hate me lay right already, they're trying to trash him.
He's trump everything else. The economy of Argentina has been destroyed,
just like the economy of Venezuela has been destroyed, just
like the economy and really the you know, social structures
(23:23):
and everything of most Latin American countries. Let's be honest.
I'm here in South Florida. People will tell you the
truth about if you ask them what happened in Cuba,
what happened in Venezuela, What's happened in Central America, what's
happening right now in Colombia?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Why does Brazil have? You know, a lot of the
problems that has.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Socialism is economic cancer. Socialism destroys, it destroys Latin American economies,
It's destroyed quality of life. And finally, at least in Argentina,
which has there's no excuse for what a mess that
place is. People are recognizing he won by a pretty
(23:59):
big margin. Let's stop doing the socialism thing and see
if maybe we can get something else going on.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I also think there's a sense, and you can feel
it percolating everywhere that many people just want to preserve.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Their country's culture.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And I think, certainly in Europe, in the wake of
what's happened in Israel, a lot of people are looking
around and saying, wait a minute, look at all these
people who are coming out and supporting Hamas and Palestine
in our country. Are we starting to undercut what has
made our country uniquely successful? Because the idea is, Okay,
(24:40):
everybody comes to the United States and they assimilate, and
we're a great melting pot, for instance. That is the
argument in favor of mass immigration. And the problem is
the Democrats now are saying, no, no, no, the melting
pot is racist. We want you to continue to be
a member of what I've ever identity you are as
(25:01):
you come into this country. And so I think there's
a lot of people rejecting and repudiating that idea that
comes from identity politics and saying, wait a minute, what
is the cultural identity of the country. I also think
you build on this buck there is an analogy out
there that, much as Brexit, which happened in twenty fifteen,
presaged in many ways the Donald Trump election in twenty sixteen,
(25:26):
people are now looking and look, you can look in
different countries and take different lessons depending on what's going on.
But I'm seeing circulating on social media oh much as
Brexit pressage, the rise of Trump and sixteen and sort
of that tidal wave of disruption that this guy's election,
(25:46):
this sort of rumpled outsider in Argentina is now a
forerunner to the return of Donald Trump in the United States.
To what extent you can take lessons from foreign elections,
I think is difficult, but that analogy is already being drawn.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's just interesting as well to see how the left
wing intelligentsia or so called intelligencia in this country immediately,
I mean they they are people of deep affinity with
socialism and so called social justice. I mean, that's somehow
we live in the the capitalist you know, the ultimate
(26:21):
capitalist country.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I know you could say, oh, we have a lot
of ways in which we.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Fall short of this ideal, but you know, we are
the capitalist engine of the of the global economy if there's.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
No other place. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And yet are elites, including those who do economic reporting,
are all really sympathetic to socialism. I mean not all,
but overwhelmingly they're sympathetic to socialism. And we sit here,
go what is wrong with these people, Like, what do
they not see? Latin America has been devas devastated for
decades by socialist idiocy. It has it destroyed Venezuela, it
(26:53):
has it has destroyed Argentina. I mean, you get on
the list and it's not like it's it's you know, oh,
that's just our opinion on some of this stuff. Clay,
the art Argentine Paeso has lost ninety percent of its
value against the dollar. I mean, imagine, if you've been working,
you're trying to save money as an Argentinian businessman or whatever,
your money has lost ninety percent of its value visa
(27:13):
via the dollar. To give you a sense of your
purchasing power, what's going? How could there be a bigger
That level of inflation, that level of economic devastation, destroys countries,
destroys futures, destroys people's.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Hopes and dreams.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And you have this new guy who comes in who's like,
let's let's try something different, let's address it. And in
our country, people who are being paid you know, half
a million, two million, whatever dollars a year to go
on TV and talk about economics.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Look, this guy's Trumpian he's going to run the economy
into the ground.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Well, you know better than most in Miami because they've
driven up property values to such an extent. How do
you handle a collapsing country economy. You get as many
of your dollars out of that country and you put
it into hard physical assets in the United States as
you can, which is why so many wealthy people in
Latin America own property in South Florida, because they at
least feel like that is not going to get completely
(28:07):
wiped out. It's a flight to safety.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And you're right.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I think it's incredibly important for anyone out there who
wants to lead this country to have had to at
some point work in a capitalistic system where you understand
what it means to have to make a profit or
you have to fire people, because in our government and
(28:32):
a lot of people out there, if you work in
government related jobs, you don't understand the concept of having
to run an efficient business and that there is a
requirement of profit in order to hire. And that's why
we have I think, frankly, why we have a thirty
three trillion dollar debt now is because a lot of
(28:53):
people who have never balanced a budget in their entire life,
suddenly get given control of the federal government, and they
don't understand the concept of how profit and loss even
works because they've never had to reconcile with it at
any point in their life.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's just so depressing to see how often it's really
about human psychology and mass psychology. But if you look
at if you look at what's happened in Venezuela, if
you look at what's which people like to point out
this factoid that it has the largest proven oil reserves
in the world, larger than Saudi Arabia, and yet it
somehow is just economically devastated. You can't even the whole
(29:28):
country has been ruined. Effectively, it's turned into a giant,
you know, exit platform for refugees, including into into Miami
here where I am. But Clay, with all with all
these things that go on, with all of that that
we've seen that all it really takes is play on
people's uh, play on people's envy, and play on people's fear,
(29:48):
and you can get them to do anything you want.
Right you tell you tell them, oh, you're not gonna
be able to You're not gonna be able to make it.
You're not gonna be able to get it done. And
it's those other people that are the reason why. If
they just paid their fare share, or if those you know, industrialists,
or those bankers or those capital owners or whatever, if
you just put me in power and put me in
charge and let me do what I want to them,
(30:09):
you'd have free healthcare, you'd have free schooling. Everything would
be great. Your house price would come down. Everything you
know or your housing prices would come down. It's a lie, yes,
but people don't understand economics. They understand envy, and they
understand fear.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
It's a lie sold by people who don't understand economics mostly,
but the people who do and sell it really make
me sick, because if you haven't laid in bed at
some point running a small business and worried about the
state of your business and payroll and the fact that
you're trying to make sure that all of your employees
can pay their mortgages and can pay for their kids
(30:43):
schooling and everything else, I don't want you, frankly, running
the country because I don't think you've experienced what you
should have experienced in the economics sphere to understand it.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I really you see Joe Biden. I'm trying to see
what the number is from his official account. It's not
Joe Biden, it's his team, but he shared something out
that says that basically Biden has created the most jobs.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Here I've got in front of me.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
To your point about not running a business and not
knowing anything, yeah, Biden claims to have created in the
first three years about fourteen million jobs. Oh yeah, and
according to this, according to this thing that they shared,
you know, Reagan created four hundred and eighty thousand jobs.
So fourteen million jobs is what he says. Is they're
counting the jobs that started again when they stopped lockdowns. Yes,
(31:33):
as jobs created. I mean, this would be like if
I walked up to a building and I said, hey,
everybody out, I'm gonna light it on fire, and then okay,
you can go back, you know, the next day and
be like I just created jobs. You didn't create jobs,
you just stop destroying jobs. I'm not sure what the
latest number is. Maybe we can look this up. I
(31:53):
think the percentage of people who are working has only
now maybe reach what it was in February of twenty
twenty under Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
In other words, if we had an honest accounting Buck.
The percentage of adults out there working in the economy
peaked in like February of twenty twenty with Donald Trump,
and I think we're just now, maybe in the fourth year,
about to be of Joe Biden back to where we
were when we started the lockdowns over three years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
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down in Latin America because he would do it the
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Speaker 4 (33:58):
In final segment of the week, Buck sexman who is
off for Thanksgiving, And I thought I would serenade you
Buck with Iowa drama.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Nicky Haley out campaigning.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You never know what's gonna happen when you talk to
a kid at a campaign event.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
This just happened in Iowa.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
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Speaker 2 (34:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Sorry. That's New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
And if you couldn't hear that very well, the little
girl is wearing a Nicky Haley hat. Nicki Haley says,
I love your hat, and the little girl immediately says,
thank you, one of your guys gave it to me
for free. So out of the out of the mouths
of babes Buck, you never know what's what the truth
is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Must be a bit of a vake plant in the audience.
There that nine year old the vake hatter, trained and
ready to go.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
We've got a ton of people reacting to our airport travel.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
We're right, I.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Understand people out there like I love hanging out at
the airport for sixteen straight hours waiting to see whether
or not somebody's to show up or not.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Uber exists for a reason. Use it.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Caleb in Fresno wants to wants to start a ruckus.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
What's up? Caleb? Hello, you're you're on air. We're hearing you.
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:14):
All right?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Man? Hey?
Speaker 7 (35:17):
I wanted to go at it from an angle of relationships.
So this is actually come from a family that's pretty
big on taking people to the airport, and I didn't
even know that wasn't a thing until I got married.
And my wife is definitely on your side of things.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
I remember my first trip with an airport when we
were first married. She looked at me sideways when I
assumed that she would be picking me up from the airport.
So I can not tell you how much benefit I've
seen from the time spend in the car ride back
from the airport or to the airport with people in
(35:59):
the are, whether it's an acquaintance or direct family, you
can go into the airport.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
So I I'm gonna give you a Q quick counterport.
Thank you Caleb for calling in. See Clay, When I'm
forced to go pick someone up at the airport and
I don't want to, you know what it does to
my relationship with that person. I start when I'm stuck
in that traffic. I start pounding that wheel with my fist.
I start saying things that I cannot say on radio
because of the FCC. Yeah, I get frustrated.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I don't there are lots of places where you can
have conversations. I don't know that it's necessary at the
car right to the airport. And again, everybody that goes
to the airport that is unnecessarily at the airport makes
it that much harder for the people that actually need
to go to the airport. Because I guarantee you, when
(36:49):
I go to the airport tonight to pick up my
fifteen year old. The entire airport has all spilled onto
the interstate, and I'm going to spend a ton of
time trying to get to them, when if everybody just
took an uber or certainly you can drive park yourself,
the entire system would be far more efficient. I'm just
trying to make American airports great again. It's all I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
It's time for you to get Clay Force one man,
you know, start doing it that way.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Well, that's that's certainly a player.
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