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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by Missouri Senator Josh Holly, father of three. He's got
a new book, Manhood, the Masculine Virtues America needs. And
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I mean, I'm sure Senator you look around and see
some of this ridiculous stuff. The Adidas has men wearing
women's baiting suits. We've got men winning women's championships. I
don't think anybody can argue that masculinity in many ways
is under siege. So is femininity, So is the very
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idea that there's a different in the sex, difference in
the sexes.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
How do we fix this?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, thanks for having me on. It's great to be
with you, and you nailed it. It is. The Left
is waging a war on the whole idea of gender.
They're telling men that they're inherently toxic. They're telling women
that they don't exist. You know, if anybody can be
a woman today, I mean, it is crazy stuff. The
way we fix it, I think, is we first of
all insist that on the reality of biology, that there
are really biological men, that's a real thing, and there
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really are biological women, and those things are different. Number one.
Number two, it's good. It's good to be a man,
it's good to be a woman. And then I think
for young men, we need to send the message that, hey,
there are role models out there of what a good
strong man looks like. We need strong men in America.
We need men who are going to take responsibility for
their lives, for their families, ultimately for their country, and
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we need to send that message to young people, especially.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Senator Hollyot's back. Thanks for being with us. Want to
know you, Claron.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I talk about this a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I wanted to hear your take on it, which is,
why does the left want to undermine masculinity so much?
It's very clear there's a concerted effort here. What's the
motivation behind that.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I think it's power, you know, I think that men
who are strong and independent are a threat to the
leftists and to the elitists who want to run the country.
You think about buck. Their message to men for the
last twenty thirty forty years, it's been, hey, go turn
on a screen, go entertain yourself, buy some stuff. Be
an androgenoust consumer. But don't rock the boat. You know,
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let us let the experts run the country. You just
sit there and do as you're told. I think men
who are independent who say not, Actually, I've got a job,
I'm economically independent, I provide for my family, I'm morally independent.
I've got my own political views. That's a threat to
the liberal elites, the so called experts running this country.
And that's exactly why we need men to stand up,
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be stronger, to take responsibility. That's what liberty is. Liberty
is when we run our own lives, right. Liberty is
when we run our own government. So to reclaim the
promise of liberty in this country, preserve it, we need
men who are going to stand up, take responsibility, be
strong and independent.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, Buck and I talk a lot on this program.
I mean, there are certain things that I see and
it's almost impot possible to have predicted that this would
ever occur, even even if you go back to like
twenty ten, twenty sixteen, even the idea that there wouldn't
be and I know you guys just voted on this,
there wouldn't be a single Democrat in Congress in the
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House or the Senate that was willing to say, hey,
men's sports should be for men and women's sports should
be for women.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Blows my mind.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Did you ever think, I mean, you grew up playing athletics,
like we said, you've got three kids as well. You're
in Missouri. I'm sure that most of your constituents think
this is wild too. Do you ever think we'd see
an entire political party unwilling to say, hey, we should
separate men and women's sports.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
No, No, I did not. I wouldn't have thought that
just three or four years ago. I mean, it is incredible,
this radical ideology that is so totally unhinged from reality
and Clay you know, you know, parents don't want this,
and that crosses political lines, at least it doesn't my state.
Democrat parents, independent parents, they don't. They just want their kids,
number one, to be affirm for who they are, not
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that you know, if you're a boy, you need to
be a girl. If you're a girl, you need to
be a boy. Crazy. They want their girls to actually
be able to play sports and not have men pushed
into their same sports leagues or into their same walker rooms.
This is pretty basic stuff, and I think the left
has gotten so out of control here, They've gotten so
far afield that they've just completely lost touch with reality.
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And that's why, you know, conservatives, this is the time
for conservatives to stand up and to defend manhood, to
defend womanhood, to say those things are real, those things
have value, and we should recover what healthy role models
for both of them look like.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Senator Holly with us now from Missouri. Senator, you're Democrat
senate colleagues on this gender issue, do you think, I mean,
without asking anyone specifically, but as a general matter, do
they believe the stuff the slogans they mouth on TV
about how it's fine that you know, men can actually
be women and they should compete. Or are they just
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just so afraid of the cult and their political power
demands it that they're willing to go along with it,
you know what I mean? Are they true believers or
are they just they don't have a choice in their minds.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think it's probably the second thing. And I say
it because I have respect for these people, and I
just can't believe they actually believe this stuff, you know.
I mean, I think it's that the lobby here, the
radical left lobby, Let's remember who the base of the
Democrat Party is now. It's people who fly around the
private jets and go to conferences at Davos like that's
their base. Those are the people with the power, the
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radical activists, who also tend to be very rich and
well connected. So I think they're very responsive to those people,
and those people are pushing this trans ideology, this no
gender ideology all the way I mean, hook line and sinker.
I think the left has bought it, so that to
me is what's driving this. But you know it is
it's crazy. I mean it's crazy talking. I think of
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the hearing that I had some month back where we
had called by the Democrats, where we had any elite
law professor who wouldn't even say the word woman. You know,
she kept saying persons with birthing capacity, and it's like,
you mean you mean woman. Right, Here's the point that
we're at in America with the left. They won't say man,
they won't say woman. And I think one of the
reasons I wrote the book is to cut across all
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of that, all of that nonsense. Let's tell the truth.
We need good strong men. We need good strong women too,
But for men, This is really a call to step up,
to take responsibility, and to go out there change your
own life first and then change your family, change this country.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
The book is Manhood, the masculine virtues America needs. I'm
sure I've got three boys, so I spend a lot
of time thinking about this fifteen, twelve, and eight. And
obviously I see a lot of their friends around and
everything else. And one thing I hear from them, and
I'm curious if you're hearing this from your own kids,
or if you're hearing this from constituents. A lot of
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young you know, men, a lot of boys, they look
around and say, you know, we're being told that we
are toxic because we are boys. And like I'll hear
from my own kids, Like there's a lot of you know,
pro femininity still out there, the girl Power initiative and whatnot.
I think that a lot of young boys growing into
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men are really lost and they don't know how to
be comfortable in their own skin. I think this is
also happening with women because you look at high rates
of suicide and depression that exist out there. How do
we fix it? Because this is something that I think
is so important. There's a lot of lost souls in
the younger generation. I'm sure you see it, and I'm
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sure you're trying to address it in the book, But
do you feel it. Do you feel that when you're
around the country, Senator Holly, that even for something like
when you and I would have grown up, you know,
twenty thirty years ago, this didn't exist. It really feels
like men are truly under assault in this country one
hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I think the message that you just articulated is
one hundred percent what men, especially young men here, which
is that if you're a man, you're toxic. If you're
a man, you make the world a worse place just
by being a man. And that is incredibly disorienting to
young men, you know, who naturally come built in with
a sense of adventure, a longing to you know, go
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out and discover and push boundaries and be aggressive like that.
You know, that's just listen. I mean, you've got boys.
I've got boys like this is how boys are. And
when they're told from the time they're little, that's a problem,
You're a problem. You need to stop that. It is.
Its profoundly disoriented and disorienting to them. So how do
we change that. I think part of the answer is
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we try and tell good stories, recover role models. This
is what I try to do with the book. I
tell stories from my own life, coaches, mentors who are
significant to me, from American history, from the Bible, what
does it look like to be a good strong man?
And I think we can hold up those role models
for young men today and say, look here, this is
what it looks like. It's good to be a man.
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It's good to have ambition, it's good to want to
be strong, channel that in service to others, and then
you've got the recipe to really make a difference with
your life.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
The book is Manhood, the Masculine Virtues American Needs. Senator
Josh Holly, thanks so much for being with us.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
You can handle the truth, Mark Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton coming up.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
The left wing has been adroit, They've been skilled, they've
been incredibly well trained, and they have turned in Nashville,
my hometown, they have managed to turn this crazy transshooter
into a demo Republicans or racist argument. That's what they've
pivoted from. We still don't have the trans shooter manifesto.
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Kamala Harris can travel to Nashville, won't meet with the
victims of the shooting because they don't want to reinforce
that this was a crazy trans shooter. Instead, Kamala Harris
comes here and they try to say, Oh, all Tennessee
Republicans are racist, right, that's the argument.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
To be fair, Tennessee Republicans did screw this thing up
when they didn't vote the crazy white chick out too.
They just voted the two black guys out and the
crazy white chick survived by one vote.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Can we just also add to that that she begged
them not to expel her, and then the moment she
got her wish, she turned around and said, you who
failed to expel me did so because you are racist.
Just see, that is, in microcosm, what it is to
deal with a lib politician in America today. Please please,
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I beg you. I want to keep my job. Fine,
you weren't quite as egregious as the others. You're letting
me keep my job out of racism, sir. That is
what they did.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And if you fell for it, you're an imbecile. Frankly,
if you were one. Look, if you wanted to say Hey,
on principle, I don't think we should be voting anybody
in the Tennessee Legislature. I don't think this makes sense.
I'm going to vote against all three. Okay, I can
see that argument, because you kind of turned them into martyrs.
You can see that argument. But if you tried to
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split the baby, and you're like, I'm going to toss
the two black dudes out, but I'm going to keep
the white chick who begged for forgiveness and then immediately
went outside had those crocodile tears, and then as soon
as she survived and wasn't kicked to the curb, she
immediately said, oh, it's racism. That's why I didn't get
kicked to the curb. You got played. You played yourself.
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And speaking of playing yourself, this is one of the
two expelled members of the Tennessee Democrat Party.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I believe we have this audio all cue up and
ready to go.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So he went to Boden, which is a super elite
problem with Boden cost probably seventy five thousand dollars a
year buck, I mean probably tuition something like that.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, it mean one of the same conference as my school.
AMers not as good as Amherst, but it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So in Maine. It is the one of the richest
whitest schools historically on the East Coast. This guy went
to that school, all right, and he didn't just go
to that school. He ran for student body president, and guys,
I'm going to ask you to stop it if we can.
Right at the end of his this is the same
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guy that was expelled that now is trying to pretend
like he's Malcolm X or Martin Luther King junior. Here
he is, in twenty sixteen running for student body president
of this elite, super white, liberal rich kids school in Maine.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Listen, Dustin J.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Pearson, and I'm running for president of FSG. There are
a few reasons that we're running this campaign this year.
One has to do with representation. Yeah, how can we
represent all voices in a conversation? I wanted to do
this by pargering with organizations from the booty Democrats to
the boon Republicans. I want to bring together different voices,
dissenting voices, voices that may be more liberal or more conservative,
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in order that we can reach a point of sort.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Of the radical middle.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Okay, pause, great, job there, guys. That is his campaign message.
Bowden Bow, you pronounce it Boden? All right, Boden. He
wanted to be the student body president. You need to
watch the video that is twenty sixteen. Here is this
past weekend in a Nashville church. He now has a
monster afro, same dude, listen.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Seemed like the Nraian gun.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Lobbyists might win.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
But oh that was good news for us.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
I don't know how long this Saturday in the state
of Tennessee might last.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
But oh, we have good news, folks.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
We've got good news that Sunday always comes.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
All right, now, I want to put him now back
to back. Now you heard him separated. This is the
same dude again, separated by seven years running for student
body president at his super white school in Maine that
costs seventy five thousand dollars a year, talking about how
he wants to bring everybody together. And then it's suddenly
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like record scratch nineteen sixty five and he's Martin Luther
King Junior.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Listen to the whole thing, Dustin J.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Pearson, and I'm running for president of PSG. There are
few reasons that we're running this campaign this year. One
has to do with representation. How can we represent all
voices in a conversation. I wanted to do this by
parkering with organizations from the booty Democrats to the boone Republicans.
I want to bring together different voices, dissenting voices, voices
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that may be more liberal or more conservative, in order
that we can reach a point of sort of the
radical middle.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Seemed like that NRA and gun lobbyists might win.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But oh, that was good news for us.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I don't know how long this Saturday in the state
of Tennessee might last, but oh, we have good news, folks,
We've got good He knows that Sunday always comes.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
This reminds me Buck of remember the movie eight Mile,
when Eminem's going up against the other elite rapper and
Eminem just takes all of me. He's a poor white kid,
literally eight Mile. And he points out that Clarence, if
I remember correctly was his name, went to Cranbrook, which
is the most exclusive and expensive private school in the
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Detroit area. For anybody listening to us who grew up
in the Detroit area. And he just says Clarence went
to Cranbrook, and everybody just loses it because the guy
is a total poser, right he's and I wish we
could curse. Sometimes he's full of crap. He is pretending
to be but like a cosplay a really bad actor
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that is trying to pretend like it's nineteen sixties in Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I mean, I get nervous if I say y'all that
people are going to think that I'm appropriated, you know,
but it is such a good CONDI.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
My wife was super nervous because she's from Michigan. She's
been in Tennessee for twenty years, and I remember having
a conversation with her, when can I use the word
y'all and not sound like I'm a faker, right like,
not sound like I'm.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
The real thing? Everybody.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Y'all is the is the best way to say what
you're trying to say.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Period.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
The most efficient is better than you all. Yes, you
guys is a very is a very. I think it's
definitely Northeastern, Midwest, mid Atlantic and Midwestern guys. Yeah, yeah,
you guys. You know, but we say you guys in
New York, y'all makes a lot a lot more sense.
Or or if you're really a New Yorker, you know, Manhattanite.
You might say all of you, but all of you
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is quite a mouthful.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
One truth revealed after another Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
The border is.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well, we thought it would be this bad, but when
you see the visual images of it, when it is
made real by the presence of thousands and thousands of
migrants camped out along the border and legal aliens, really
this term has completely faded out of our conversation. But
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these are people who are entering the United States illegally.
They are breaking our laws. They are over overwhelming the
system that we have in place to process them. We'll
get into the numbers and all of it, but the
end of Title forty two is obviously every bit as
much a disaster for border security as we thought it
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would be. And this is unfortunately the Democrat plan. I
think you have to understand that, and I'll get into
why that is in just a little bit.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know, CNN.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Still dealing with the aftermath of the town hall with
Donald Trump, where he got to just beat Trump. I
mean he was, he was trumping it up, and a
lot of their audience very upsetson. Cooper goes on his
show and says, I mean, look, if you never watch
us again, I understand, which that's the level things have
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gotten to for CNN anchors who have been paid tens
of millions of dollars over the years to be propagandists.
So we shall discuss that too. But the biggest thing
that's on my mind today, and I'm sure we're gonna
take a lot of calls on it, so eight hundred.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Two eighty two to eight eight two.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
The biggest thing that's on my mind, I'm sure many
of yours as well, is the situation of Daniel Penny
and how he has now turned himself in. He is
facing manslaughter charges in the death of Jordan Neely, the
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career criminal who was threatening people on the subway and
was in a in a point where at a point
where Penny thought the only way to handle the situation
was to take matters into his own hands and do
something about it.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
This is deeply upsetting.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
As you know, I'm a New Yorker, bored and raised
and saw the difference New York City at that and
saw the difference between a city run for the benefit
of the law abiding and the decent and the productive
versus a city that bends over backwards to do everything
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possible to cater to the criminals, to put the vagrant,
the predators, the criminals, the people who are making life
more difficult for others on the streets of New York City,
to put them first. I've seen the difference in the city.
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I've seen the difference in various communities. During the time
I was doing a rotation and the Intelligence Division of
the I spent time in the highest crime parts of Manhattan,
not just driving through days and days in the highest
crime parts of all of New York City, I think
is in Manhattan. And what you realize very quickly when
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you actually do that, when you're not Chuck Schumer or
you know, Alcasio Cortes or Joe Biden, none of these
people have spent the night in a dangerous neighborhood in decades,
if ever. Okay, But when you actually go there, you
see that the elite liberal opinion that we should give
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criminals free reign first and foremost punishes people in those
communities who are trying to live their lives productively, peaceably,
and within the law. And that's for the highest concentration
minority neighborhoods of New York City, and any city for
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that matter, It is always a small percentage of an
overall metropolis that is committing the vast majority of the
violent crimes, and overwhelmingly by the numbers. Minority communities are
places where there's a disproportioned impact on the many from
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the very small percentage of those who are committing crimes.
So basically you're letting by not enforcing the laws. The
black community, the Latino community in New York specifically, this
is true in many other cities suffer more because there's
more crime.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
In those communities.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
This is the root fallacy, if you will, This is
the baseline the foundational problem with the way Democrats are
approaching criminal justice. Once again, they are sacrificing the ninety
nine percent of the law abiding for the one percent
of the criminal element. And this then brings me deep
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into the Jordan Neely situation. I was worried this was
going to happen. The Left turned up the pressure. We'll
get to that in a second. Here is Daniel Penny's
attorney who is announcing that there is a surrender that
has occurred here. He has been taken into custody, cuffed process,
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the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Play clip one.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
This morning, Daniel Penny surrendered at the Fifth Precinct at
the requests of the New York County District Attorney's Office.
He did so voluntarily and with the sort of dignity
and integrity that is characteristic of his history of service
to this grateful nation.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Now, a few things that I want to establish for
our conversation here. What was said on that train? There
are all these eyewitnesses. You've seen the video. There's a
more extended video you should see as well if you haven't,
that shows Neely and two others who also restrained Neely.
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I'm sorry, it shows Penny and two others who were
restraining Neely. So there are three individuals who are trying
to restrain Jordan Neely, who subsequently died. The people on
the train, on the subway car in New York City
were grateful that someone stepped in. And you'd have to
ask why would they be grateful? Why wasn't Why don't
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we see interviews? Wouldn't this be so easy if the
people on that subway car weren't frightened by what was happening.
Wouldn't they be frightened by this man just choking someone?
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
And now they're saying it's manslaughter, you know, intentionally choking
him or unintentionally as the manslaughter charge I believe allows
choking him to death. No, the other people on the
subway car were thankful that someone stepped in.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Let's ask the question why why would.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
They be if I saw someone put someone in a
choke hold and put that individuals. Yes, anytime you put
someone in choke hold, you have to be careful you
are you are taking what could be what could be
lethal force action. But if I saw someone do that
on the subway, we would people would be terrified, Oh
my god, what what is this guy doing?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Why is he choking this individual out?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
This is But if there was a reason for it,
you'd say, well, aren't we glad that someone stepped up
because something really awful was about to happen. You know,
you don't have to wait if someone pulls a knife
on you, or someone pulls a gun on you. You
don't have to wait for them to shoot you or
to stab you for you to do something about it.
I know, in New York and then the Democrat controlled
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states and cities, you do. Now they are making self
defense illegal. They are doing this purposefully because in a society,
which is what they want.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
With true status authoritarianism.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
You live and die, truly and literally die at the
whim of the state. If this is just what the
policies demand, if this is what the collect if once
you have to suffer through it, you are not allowed
to defend yourself because they say so. It's also why
they hate the Second Amendment. It's why they hate law
abiding citizens being able to arm themselves and defend themselves.
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It all holds together. This is philosophical at its deepest level.
This is about the individual's relationship to the state. It's
also about good and evil too, because ultimately, what is
the purpose of laws an ordered society but a just society?
Are you living in a just society if every time
you get on the subway, some maniac can get in
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your face and threaten to kill you, perhaps threaten to
kill your children, and you aren't allowed to do anything
about it. You sit there and hope that that forty
four times convicted criminal who had recently shattered an elderly
woman's occipital bone and nose, her eye socket and her nose.
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You hope that he doesn't decide that this time he's
going to do what he had done before. Alvin Bragg
and Mayor Eric Adams and the Democrats who run New
York City are telling.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
You that's the situation.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
You sit there and hope that the maniac doesn't attack you,
doesn't maim you, perhaps in front of your wife, perhaps
in front of your children, or in front of your husband.
That's the city that you're supposed to live in now.
I think people have had enough of that, but the
Democrats haven't, not the Democrat apparatus, not the people in charge.
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Why did they feel unsafe on that subway? Why did
Daniel Penny step in? Key questions? God, I hope somebody
with common sense ends up on this jury and saves
this marine from this absolute abbe is It is appalling
what my home city is doing right now. It is appalling,
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But here we are. Why were they afraid of Neeli quote?
This is from multiple eyewitnesses. There is no dispute about this.
Nearly is menacing everyone on the subway, saying, I don't care,
I'll take a bullet. I'll go to jail. He said
he would kill a MF word. I don't care, I'll
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take a bullet, I'll go to jail. He's running around
shouting in people's faces, the threat that he will kill
someone on the train and doesn't care if he goes
to jail. Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney of Manhattan, is
telling all New Yorkers right now.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
That's just the way it is. That's just going to happen.
Deal with it.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
This is what social justice, and in the eyes of
the left, racial justice demands.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And you say to yourself, hold on a second. The
New York City subway.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I've spent countless thousands of hours in the New York
City subway.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
It's one of the most diverse places on the planet.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I'm sure if you ran the numbers, one of the
actually most diverse places on the planet. So the people
on that train there were black people being threatened, Hispanic
people being threatened, Asian people being threatened, White people being threatened,
and other races. I mean, we could list, you know,
everybody that's the New York City subway system. Oh, but
because of the elements here that you have an individual,
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the perpetrator of the threats here is black. The Democrat Party,
Alcasio Cortes and many others take a very specific stance
on this, which is that there must be some form
of racism involved here.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
This is racist. It was a lynching. Aana Presley said,
you remember that, a lynching?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
As though this former marine no criminal history, done nothing
but what honorably serve? What's the problem here? How is
he a threat to society?
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Ask yourself this?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
What is the message the justice system is trying to send.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
In New York City that Daniel Penny.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You are You are better off on the New York
City subway system if young men, if marines, if people
who stand up to serve and to save, if they're
told by their own government, local government in this case,
sit down, shut up and take it, or we will
lock you up in a cell.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Does that make you safer?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Do any of you who actually go to New York
live there, travel there, work there? Any of you feel
safeer knowing that the next good samaritan, the next individual
who tries to do something, well, maybe they're gonna lock
him up.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Forty four arrests.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
How long did how long did Jordan Neely really serve
in prison? You ever asked that question? Forty four arrests?
Daniel Penny, the former Marine. He faces fifteen years in prison.
Now fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
For this circumstance, for the situation.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Understand that the message is being sent to all of
us across the country. Democrats control things. You can't defend yourself.
That is now the rule. You are not allowed submit,
submit to the criminals. Let them steal from your store,
let them rampage through your your restaurant, or your your deli,
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your market, let them burn your gas station down. You
try to do anything and they'll step in and they'll
decide that.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
You are the bad person.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
It's quite a form of authoritarian obedience training we're all
going through right now. And I think I hope there's
enough of a national outcry about this that perhaps this
will become a turning point, that will become a moment
that everybody realizes what's really going on here.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
More fun and conversation coming up from Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck Buck rolling out solo
here for the last half hour or so. Well, actually
not solo really, Clay had to go catch a plane
because our friend Kat Timpf is with us now. She
is a Fox News contributor co host of Gutfeld, a
sabulous show on Monday through Fridays on Fox News. You
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should all watch, and she's got a new book out.
You can't joke about that, Cat, I have a feeling
that whenever someone says you can't joke about that, you
pick that out and you make a joke about it.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (31:31):
That is absolutely true? Good to talk with you. Yeah,
That's why I'm sitting on a coffin on my book cover,
because I wanted to make it very clear that you
can joke about absolutely everything. And I don't think that
the people who say you can't joke about that are
just like snowflakes or whatever they're normally called. I think
that actually really harming people because a lot of people,
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myself included, use humor as a healing mechanism, and they're
telling people that they can't do that, which also can
keep people from making connections with other people through humor.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Do you think we're gaining some ground though? You know,
we talk on the show a fair amount here, Kat
about some of the people, whether it's Bill Maher who's
a comedian slash political commentator. But obviously you know Dave
Chappelle has made jokes and had specials and things that
he didn't you bend the knee to the woke cancel crowd.
Is it moving finding the right direction? Or is that
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a little too optimistic?
Speaker 9 (32:27):
You know, I hate to be optimistic, but I certainly
hope so right. I think that more and more people
are starting to see the reality of the situation, which
is a lot of these people who present themselves as
being these sensitive, compassionate people are actually jerks. Because I
write about this in my book too. I think it's
not a bad thing to talk about your feelings, to
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have feelings that are hurt, to express that your feelings
are hurt. Where it becomes an issue is when you
expect the entire world to revolve around your specific feelings
and sensibility. That doesn't make you a sensitive person. That
actually makes you a self obsessed bully. And that is
the difference. And I think a lot of people really
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are starting to see the difference between somebody who's just oh,
I'm sensitive, I feeling like they're in somebody who wants
to use that to gain power and control over other
people because maybe they haven't been as successful as they
want it to be in life and they want to
kick someone else down, or for whatever other reason.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Speaking of Cat Tim.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
If you've got a book out you can't joke about that,
you should go get your copy today. Kat, thank you
so much for making the time, thanks for coming on
the show, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Buck
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by Missouri Senator Josh Holly, father of three. He's got
a new book, Manhood, the Masculine Virtues America needs. And
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I mean, I'm sure Senator you look around and see
some of this ridiculous stuff. The Adidas has men wearing
women's baiting suits. We've got men winning women's championships. I
don't think anybody can argue that masculinity in many ways
is under siege. So is femininity, So is the very
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idea that there's a different in the sex, difference in
the sexes.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
How do we fix this?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, thanks for having me on. It's great to be
with you, and you nailed it. It is. The Left
is waging a war on the whole idea of gender.
They're telling men that they're inherently toxic. They're telling women
that they don't exist. You know, if anybody can be
a woman today, I mean, it is crazy stuff. The
way we fix it, I think, is we first of
all insist that on the reality of biology, that there
are really biological men, that's a real thing, and there
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really are biological women, and those things are different. Number one.
Number two, it's good. It's good to be a man,
it's good to be a woman. And then I think
for young men, we need to send the message that, hey,
there are role models out there of what a good
strong man looks like. We need strong men in America.
We need men who are going to take responsibility for
their lives, for their families, ultimately for their country, and
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we need to send that message to young people, especially.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Senator Hollyot's back. Thanks for being with us. Want to
know you, Claron.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I talk about this a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I wanted to hear your take on it, which is,
why does the left want to undermine masculinity so much?
It's very clear there's a concerted effort here. What's the
motivation behind that.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I think it's power, you know, I think that men
who are strong and independent are a threat to the
leftists and to the elitists who want to run the country.
You think about buck. Their message to men for the
last twenty thirty forty years, it's been, hey, go turn
on a screen, go entertain yourself, buy some stuff. Be
an androgenoust consumer. But don't rock the boat. You know,
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let us let the experts run the country. You just
sit there and do as you're told. I think men
who are independent who say not, Actually, I've got a job,
I'm economically independent, I provide for my family, I'm morally independent.
I've got my own political views. That's a threat to
the liberal elites, the so called experts running this country.
And that's exactly why we need men to stand up,
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be stronger, to take responsibility. That's what liberty is. Liberty
is when we run our own lives, right. Liberty is
when we run our own government. So to reclaim the
promise of liberty in this country, preserve it, we need
men who are going to stand up, take responsibility, be
strong and independent.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, Buck and I talk a lot on this program.
I mean, there are certain things that I see and
it's almost impot possible to have predicted that this would
ever occur, even even if you go back to like
twenty ten, twenty sixteen, even the idea that there wouldn't
be and I know you guys just voted on this,
there wouldn't be a single Democrat in Congress in the
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House or the Senate that was willing to say, hey,
men's sports should be for men and women's sports should
be for women.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Blows my mind.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Did you ever think, I mean, you grew up playing athletics,
like we said, you've got three kids as well. You're
in Missouri. I'm sure that most of your constituents think
this is wild too. Do you ever think we'd see
an entire political party unwilling to say, hey, we should
separate men and women's sports.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
No, No, I did not. I wouldn't have thought that
just three or four years ago. I mean, it is incredible,
this radical ideology that is so totally unhinged from reality
and Clay you know, you know, parents don't want this,
and that crosses political lines, at least it doesn't my state.
Democrat parents, independent parents, they don't. They just want their kids,
number one, to be affirm for who they are, not
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that you know, if you're a boy, you need to
be a girl. If you're a girl, you need to
be a boy. Crazy. They want their girls to actually
be able to play sports and not have men pushed
into their same sports leagues or into their same walker rooms.
This is pretty basic stuff, and I think the left
has gotten so out of control here, They've gotten so
far afield that they've just completely lost touch with reality.
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And that's why, you know, conservatives, this is the time
for conservatives to stand up and to defend manhood, to
defend womanhood, to say those things are real, those things
have value, and we should recover what healthy role models
for both of them look like.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Senator Holly with us now from Missouri. Senator, you're Democrat
senate colleagues on this gender issue, do you think, I mean,
without asking anyone specifically, but as a general matter, do
they believe the stuff the slogans they mouth on TV
about how it's fine that you know, men can actually
be women and they should compete. Or are they just
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just so afraid of the cult and their political power
demands it that they're willing to go along with it,
you know what I mean? Are they true believers or
are they just they don't have a choice in their minds.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think it's probably the second thing. And I say
it because I have respect for these people, and I
just can't believe they actually believe this stuff, you know.
I mean, I think it's that the lobby here, the
radical left lobby, Let's remember who the base of the
Democrat Party is now. It's people who fly around the
private jets and go to conferences at Davos like that's
their base. Those are the people with the power, the
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radical activists, who also tend to be very rich and
well connected. So I think they're very responsive to those people,
and those people are pushing this trans ideology, this no
gender ideology all the way I mean, hook line and sinker.
I think the left has bought it, so that to
me is what's driving this. But you know it is
it's crazy. I mean it's crazy talking. I think of
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the hearing that I had some month back where we
had called by the Democrats, where we had any elite
law professor who wouldn't even say the word woman. You know,
she kept saying persons with birthing capacity, and it's like,
you mean you mean woman. Right, Here's the point that
we're at in America with the left. They won't say man,
they won't say woman. And I think one of the
reasons I wrote the book is to cut across all
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of that, all of that nonsense. Let's tell the truth.
We need good strong men. We need good strong women too,
But for men, This is really a call to step up,
to take responsibility, and to go out there change your
own life first and then change your family, change this country.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
The book is Manhood, the masculine virtues America needs. I'm
sure I've got three boys, so I spend a lot
of time thinking about this fifteen, twelve, and eight. And
obviously I see a lot of their friends around and
everything else. And one thing I hear from them, and
I'm curious if you're hearing this from your own kids,
or if you're hearing this from constituents. A lot of
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young you know, men, a lot of boys, they look
around and say, you know, we're being told that we
are toxic because we are boys. And like I'll hear
from my own kids, Like there's a lot of you know,
pro femininity still out there, the girl Power initiative and whatnot.
I think that a lot of young boys growing into
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men are really lost and they don't know how to
be comfortable in their own skin. I think this is
also happening with women because you look at high rates
of suicide and depression that exist out there. How do
we fix it? Because this is something that I think
is so important. There's a lot of lost souls in
the younger generation. I'm sure you see it, and I'm
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sure you're trying to address it in the book, But
do you feel it. Do you feel that when you're
around the country, Senator Holly, that even for something like
when you and I would have grown up, you know,
twenty thirty years ago, this didn't exist. It really feels
like men are truly under assault in this country one
hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I think the message that you just articulated is
one hundred percent what men, especially young men here, which
is that if you're a man, you're toxic. If you're
a man, you make the world a worse place just
by being a man. And that is incredibly disorienting to
young men, you know, who naturally come built in with
a sense of adventure, a longing to you know, go
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out and discover and push boundaries and be aggressive like that.
You know, that's just listen. I mean, you've got boys.
I've got boys like this is how boys are. And
when they're told from the time they're little, that's a problem,
You're a problem. You need to stop that. It is.
Its profoundly disoriented and disorienting to them. So how do
we change that. I think part of the answer is
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we try and tell good stories, recover role models. This
is what I try to do with the book. I
tell stories from my own life, coaches, mentors who are
significant to me, from American history, from the Bible, what
does it look like to be a good strong man?
And I think we can hold up those role models
for young men today and say, look here, this is
what it looks like. It's good to be a man.
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It's good to have ambition, it's good to want to
be strong, channel that in service to others, and then
you've got the recipe to really make a difference with
your life.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
The book is Manhood, the Masculine Virtues American Needs. Senator
Josh Holly, thanks so much for being with us.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
You can handle the truth, Mark Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton coming up.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
The left wing has been adroit, They've been skilled, they've
been incredibly well trained, and they have turned in Nashville,
my hometown, they have managed to turn this crazy transshooter
into a demo Republicans or racist argument. That's what they've
pivoted from. We still don't have the trans shooter manifesto.
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Kamala Harris can travel to Nashville, won't meet with the
victims of the shooting because they don't want to reinforce
that this was a crazy trans shooter. Instead, Kamala Harris
comes here and they try to say, Oh, all Tennessee
Republicans are racist, right, that's the argument.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
To be fair, Tennessee Republicans did screw this thing up
when they didn't vote the crazy white chick out too.
They just voted the two black guys out and the
crazy white chick survived by one vote.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Can we just also add to that that she begged
them not to expel her, and then the moment she
got her wish, she turned around and said, you who
failed to expel me did so because you are racist.
Just see, that is, in microcosm, what it is to
deal with a lib politician in America today. Please please,
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I beg you. I want to keep my job. Fine,
you weren't quite as egregious as the others. You're letting
me keep my job out of racism, sir. That is
what they did.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And if you fell for it, you're an imbecile. Frankly,
if you were one. Look, if you wanted to say Hey,
on principle, I don't think we should be voting anybody
in the Tennessee Legislature. I don't think this makes sense.
I'm going to vote against all three. Okay, I can
see that argument, because you kind of turned them into martyrs.
You can see that argument. But if you tried to
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split the baby, and you're like, I'm going to toss
the two black dudes out, but I'm going to keep
the white chick who begged for forgiveness and then immediately
went outside had those crocodile tears, and then as soon
as she survived and wasn't kicked to the curb, she
immediately said, oh, it's racism. That's why I didn't get
kicked to the curb. You got played. You played yourself.
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And speaking of playing yourself, this is one of the
two expelled members of the Tennessee Democrat Party.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I believe we have this audio all cue up and
ready to go.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So he went to Boden, which is a super elite
problem with Boden cost probably seventy five thousand dollars a
year buck, I mean probably tuition something like that.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, it mean one of the same conference as my school.
AMers not as good as Amherst, but it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So in Maine. It is the one of the richest
whitest schools historically on the East Coast. This guy went
to that school, all right, and he didn't just go
to that school. He ran for student body president, and guys,
I'm going to ask you to stop it if we can.
Right at the end of his this is the same
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guy that was expelled that now is trying to pretend
like he's Malcolm X or Martin Luther King junior. Here
he is, in twenty sixteen running for student body president
of this elite, super white, liberal rich kids school in Maine.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Listen, Dustin J.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Pearson, and I'm running for president of FSG. There are
a few reasons that we're running this campaign this year.
One has to do with representation. Yeah, how can we
represent all voices in a conversation? I wanted to do
this by pargering with organizations from the booty Democrats to
the boon Republicans. I want to bring together different voices,
dissenting voices, voices that may be more liberal or more conservative,
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in order that we can reach a point of sort.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Of the radical middle.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Okay, pause, great, job there, guys. That is his campaign message.
Bowden Bow, you pronounce it Boden? All right, Boden. He
wanted to be the student body president. You need to
watch the video that is twenty sixteen. Here is this
past weekend in a Nashville church. He now has a
monster afro, same dude, listen.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Seemed like the Nraian gun.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Lobbyists might win.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
But oh that was good news for us.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
I don't know how long this Saturday in the state
of Tennessee might last.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
But oh, we have good news, folks.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
We've got good news that Sunday always comes.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
All right, now, I want to put him now back
to back. Now you heard him separated. This is the
same dude again, separated by seven years running for student
body president at his super white school in Maine that
costs seventy five thousand dollars a year, talking about how
he wants to bring everybody together. And then it's suddenly
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like record scratch nineteen sixty five and he's Martin Luther
King Junior.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Listen to the whole thing, Dustin J.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Pearson, and I'm running for president of PSG. There are
few reasons that we're running this campaign this year. One
has to do with representation. How can we represent all
voices in a conversation. I wanted to do this by
parkering with organizations from the booty Democrats to the boone Republicans.
I want to bring together different voices, dissenting voices, voices
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that may be more liberal or more conservative, in order
that we can reach a point of sort of the
radical middle.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Seemed like that NRA and gun lobbyists might win.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But oh, that was good news for us.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I don't know how long this Saturday in the state
of Tennessee might last, but oh, we have good news, folks,
We've got good He knows that Sunday always comes.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
This reminds me Buck of remember the movie eight Mile,
when Eminem's going up against the other elite rapper and
Eminem just takes all of me. He's a poor white kid,
literally eight Mile. And he points out that Clarence, if
I remember correctly was his name, went to Cranbrook, which
is the most exclusive and expensive private school in the
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Detroit area. For anybody listening to us who grew up
in the Detroit area. And he just says Clarence went
to Cranbrook, and everybody just loses it because the guy
is a total poser, right he's and I wish we
could curse. Sometimes he's full of crap. He is pretending
to be but like a cosplay a really bad actor
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that is trying to pretend like it's nineteen sixties in Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I mean, I get nervous if I say y'all that
people are going to think that I'm appropriated, you know,
but it is such a good CONDI.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
My wife was super nervous because she's from Michigan. She's
been in Tennessee for twenty years, and I remember having
a conversation with her, when can I use the word
y'all and not sound like I'm a faker, right like,
not sound like I'm.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
The real thing? Everybody.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Y'all is the is the best way to say what
you're trying to say.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Period.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
The most efficient is better than you all. Yes, you
guys is a very is a very. I think it's
definitely Northeastern, Midwest, mid Atlantic and Midwestern guys. Yeah, yeah,
you guys. You know, but we say you guys in
New York, y'all makes a lot a lot more sense.
Or or if you're really a New Yorker, you know, Manhattanite.
You might say all of you, but all of you
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is quite a mouthful.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
One truth revealed after another Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
The border is.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well, we thought it would be this bad, but when
you see the visual images of it, when it is
made real by the presence of thousands and thousands of
migrants camped out along the border and legal aliens, really
this term has completely faded out of our conversation. But
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these are people who are entering the United States illegally.
They are breaking our laws. They are over overwhelming the
system that we have in place to process them. We'll
get into the numbers and all of it, but the
end of Title forty two is obviously every bit as
much a disaster for border security as we thought it
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would be. And this is unfortunately the Democrat plan. I
think you have to understand that, and I'll get into
why that is in just a little bit.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know, CNN.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Still dealing with the aftermath of the town hall with
Donald Trump, where he got to just beat Trump. I
mean he was, he was trumping it up, and a
lot of their audience very upsetson. Cooper goes on his
show and says, I mean, look, if you never watch
us again, I understand, which that's the level things have
(18:07):
gotten to for CNN anchors who have been paid tens
of millions of dollars over the years to be propagandists.
So we shall discuss that too. But the biggest thing
that's on my mind today, and I'm sure we're gonna
take a lot of calls on it, so eight hundred.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Two eighty two to eight eight two.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
The biggest thing that's on my mind, I'm sure many
of yours as well, is the situation of Daniel Penny
and how he has now turned himself in. He is
facing manslaughter charges in the death of Jordan Neely, the
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career criminal who was threatening people on the subway and
was in a in a point where at a point
where Penny thought the only way to handle the situation
was to take matters into his own hands and do
something about it.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
This is deeply upsetting.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
As you know, I'm a New Yorker, bored and raised
and saw the difference New York City at that and
saw the difference between a city run for the benefit
of the law abiding and the decent and the productive
versus a city that bends over backwards to do everything
(19:31):
possible to cater to the criminals, to put the vagrant,
the predators, the criminals, the people who are making life
more difficult for others on the streets of New York City,
to put them first. I've seen the difference in the city.
(19:52):
I've seen the difference in various communities. During the time
I was doing a rotation and the Intelligence Division of
the I spent time in the highest crime parts of Manhattan,
not just driving through days and days in the highest
crime parts of all of New York City, I think
is in Manhattan. And what you realize very quickly when
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you actually do that, when you're not Chuck Schumer or
you know, Alcasio Cortes or Joe Biden, none of these
people have spent the night in a dangerous neighborhood in decades,
if ever. Okay, But when you actually go there, you
see that the elite liberal opinion that we should give
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criminals free reign first and foremost punishes people in those
communities who are trying to live their lives productively, peaceably,
and within the law. And that's for the highest concentration
minority neighborhoods of New York City, and any city for
(20:58):
that matter, It is always a small percentage of an
overall metropolis that is committing the vast majority of the
violent crimes, and overwhelmingly by the numbers. Minority communities are
places where there's a disproportioned impact on the many from
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the very small percentage of those who are committing crimes.
So basically you're letting by not enforcing the laws. The
black community, the Latino community in New York specifically, this
is true in many other cities suffer more because there's
more crime.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
In those communities.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
This is the root fallacy, if you will, This is
the baseline the foundational problem with the way Democrats are
approaching criminal justice. Once again, they are sacrificing the ninety
nine percent of the law abiding for the one percent
of the criminal element. And this then brings me deep
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into the Jordan Neely situation. I was worried this was
going to happen. The Left turned up the pressure. We'll
get to that in a second. Here is Daniel Penny's
attorney who is announcing that there is a surrender that
has occurred here. He has been taken into custody, cuffed process,
(22:19):
the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Play clip one.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
This morning, Daniel Penny surrendered at the Fifth Precinct at
the requests of the New York County District Attorney's Office.
He did so voluntarily and with the sort of dignity
and integrity that is characteristic of his history of service
to this grateful nation.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Now, a few things that I want to establish for
our conversation here. What was said on that train? There
are all these eyewitnesses. You've seen the video. There's a
more extended video you should see as well if you haven't,
that shows Neely and two others who also restrained Neely.
(23:05):
I'm sorry, it shows Penny and two others who were
restraining Neely. So there are three individuals who are trying
to restrain Jordan Neely, who subsequently died. The people on
the train, on the subway car in New York City
were grateful that someone stepped in. And you'd have to
ask why would they be grateful? Why wasn't Why don't
(23:26):
we see interviews? Wouldn't this be so easy if the
people on that subway car weren't frightened by what was happening.
Wouldn't they be frightened by this man just choking someone?
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
And now they're saying it's manslaughter, you know, intentionally choking
him or unintentionally as the manslaughter charge I believe allows
choking him to death. No, the other people on the
subway car were thankful that someone stepped in.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Let's ask the question why why would.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
They be if I saw someone put someone in a
choke hold and put that individuals. Yes, anytime you put
someone in choke hold, you have to be careful you
are you are taking what could be what could be
lethal force action. But if I saw someone do that
on the subway, we would people would be terrified, Oh
my god, what what is this guy doing?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Why is he choking this individual out?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
This is But if there was a reason for it,
you'd say, well, aren't we glad that someone stepped up
because something really awful was about to happen. You know,
you don't have to wait if someone pulls a knife
on you, or someone pulls a gun on you. You
don't have to wait for them to shoot you or
to stab you for you to do something about it.
I know, in New York and then the Democrat controlled
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states and cities, you do. Now they are making self
defense illegal. They are doing this purposefully because in a society,
which is what they want.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
With true status authoritarianism.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
You live and die, truly and literally die at the
whim of the state. If this is just what the
policies demand, if this is what the collect if once
you have to suffer through it, you are not allowed
to defend yourself because they say so. It's also why
they hate the Second Amendment. It's why they hate law
abiding citizens being able to arm themselves and defend themselves.
(25:14):
It all holds together. This is philosophical at its deepest level.
This is about the individual's relationship to the state. It's
also about good and evil too, because ultimately, what is
the purpose of laws an ordered society but a just society?
Are you living in a just society if every time
you get on the subway, some maniac can get in
(25:36):
your face and threaten to kill you, perhaps threaten to
kill your children, and you aren't allowed to do anything
about it. You sit there and hope that that forty
four times convicted criminal who had recently shattered an elderly
woman's occipital bone and nose, her eye socket and her nose.
(25:57):
You hope that he doesn't decide that this time he's
going to do what he had done before. Alvin Bragg
and Mayor Eric Adams and the Democrats who run New
York City are telling.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
You that's the situation.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
You sit there and hope that the maniac doesn't attack you,
doesn't maim you, perhaps in front of your wife, perhaps
in front of your children, or in front of your husband.
That's the city that you're supposed to live in now.
I think people have had enough of that, but the
Democrats haven't, not the Democrat apparatus, not the people in charge.
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Why did they feel unsafe on that subway? Why did
Daniel Penny step in? Key questions? God, I hope somebody
with common sense ends up on this jury and saves
this marine from this absolute abbe is It is appalling
what my home city is doing right now. It is appalling,
(26:56):
But here we are. Why were they afraid of Neeli quote?
This is from multiple eyewitnesses. There is no dispute about this.
Nearly is menacing everyone on the subway, saying, I don't care,
I'll take a bullet. I'll go to jail. He said
he would kill a MF word. I don't care, I'll
(27:21):
take a bullet, I'll go to jail. He's running around
shouting in people's faces, the threat that he will kill
someone on the train and doesn't care if he goes
to jail. Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney of Manhattan, is
telling all New Yorkers right now.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
That's just the way it is. That's just going to happen.
Deal with it.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
This is what social justice, and in the eyes of
the left, racial justice demands.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And you say to yourself, hold on a second. The
New York City subway.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I've spent countless thousands of hours in the New York
City subway.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
It's one of the most diverse places on the planet.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I'm sure if you ran the numbers, one of the
actually most diverse places on the planet. So the people
on that train there were black people being threatened, Hispanic
people being threatened, Asian people being threatened, White people being threatened,
and other races. I mean, we could list, you know,
everybody that's the New York City subway system. Oh, but
because of the elements here that you have an individual,
(28:23):
the perpetrator of the threats here is black. The Democrat Party,
Alcasio Cortes and many others take a very specific stance
on this, which is that there must be some form
of racism involved here.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
This is racist. It was a lynching. Aana Presley said,
you remember that, a lynching?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
As though this former marine no criminal history, done nothing
but what honorably serve? What's the problem here? How is
he a threat to society?
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Ask yourself this?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
What is the message the justice system is trying to send.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
In New York City that Daniel Penny.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You are You are better off on the New York
City subway system if young men, if marines, if people
who stand up to serve and to save, if they're
told by their own government, local government in this case,
sit down, shut up and take it, or we will
lock you up in a cell.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Does that make you safer?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Do any of you who actually go to New York
live there, travel there, work there? Any of you feel
safeer knowing that the next good samaritan, the next individual
who tries to do something, well, maybe they're gonna lock
him up.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Forty four arrests.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
How long did how long did Jordan Neely really serve
in prison? You ever asked that question? Forty four arrests?
Daniel Penny, the former Marine. He faces fifteen years in prison.
Now fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
For this circumstance, for the situation.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Understand that the message is being sent to all of
us across the country. Democrats control things. You can't defend yourself.
That is now the rule. You are not allowed submit,
submit to the criminals. Let them steal from your store,
let them rampage through your your restaurant, or your your deli,
(30:16):
your market, let them burn your gas station down. You
try to do anything and they'll step in and they'll
decide that.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
You are the bad person.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
It's quite a form of authoritarian obedience training we're all
going through right now. And I think I hope there's
enough of a national outcry about this that perhaps this
will become a turning point, that will become a moment
that everybody realizes what's really going on here.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
More fun and conversation coming up from Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck Buck rolling out solo
here for the last half hour or so. Well, actually
not solo really, Clay had to go catch a plane
because our friend Kat Timpf is with us now. She
is a Fox News contributor co host of Gutfeld, a
sabulous show on Monday through Fridays on Fox News. You
(31:18):
should all watch, and she's got a new book out.
You can't joke about that, Cat, I have a feeling
that whenever someone says you can't joke about that, you
pick that out and you make a joke about it.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (31:31):
That is absolutely true? Good to talk with you. Yeah,
That's why I'm sitting on a coffin on my book cover,
because I wanted to make it very clear that you
can joke about absolutely everything. And I don't think that
the people who say you can't joke about that are
just like snowflakes or whatever they're normally called. I think
that actually really harming people because a lot of people,
(31:52):
myself included, use humor as a healing mechanism, and they're
telling people that they can't do that, which also can
keep people from making connections with other people through humor.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Do you think we're gaining some ground though? You know,
we talk on the show a fair amount here, Kat
about some of the people, whether it's Bill Maher who's
a comedian slash political commentator. But obviously you know Dave
Chappelle has made jokes and had specials and things that
he didn't you bend the knee to the woke cancel crowd.
Is it moving finding the right direction? Or is that
(32:24):
a little too optimistic?
Speaker 9 (32:27):
You know, I hate to be optimistic, but I certainly
hope so right. I think that more and more people
are starting to see the reality of the situation, which
is a lot of these people who present themselves as
being these sensitive, compassionate people are actually jerks. Because I
write about this in my book too. I think it's
not a bad thing to talk about your feelings, to
(32:47):
have feelings that are hurt, to express that your feelings
are hurt. Where it becomes an issue is when you
expect the entire world to revolve around your specific feelings
and sensibility. That doesn't make you a sensitive person. That
actually makes you a self obsessed bully. And that is
the difference. And I think a lot of people really
(33:08):
are starting to see the difference between somebody who's just oh,
I'm sensitive, I feeling like they're in somebody who wants
to use that to gain power and control over other
people because maybe they haven't been as successful as they
want it to be in life and they want to
kick someone else down, or for whatever other reason.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Speaking of Cat Tim.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
If you've got a book out you can't joke about that,
you should go get your copy today. Kat, thank you
so much for making the time, thanks for coming on
the show, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
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