In this episode, Lisa welcomes General Keith Kellogg to discuss the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas. They express concerns about the narrative surrounding the conflict and the potential for regional war under the Biden administration. General Kellogg criticizes the Biden administration's handling of global challenges and emphasizes the need for a strong response to provocations. Catch NEW episodes of The Truth with Lisa Boothe every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So he had the opportunity to meet General Keith Kellogg
last week in the green room at Fox. I had
so many questions for him about the hostages being released
from Israel and what this means for Israel's broader goal,
which is to eradicate Hamas. My concern stem from this
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ceasefire and this pause. How would that impact Israel's ability
to then re engage in war, you know, particularly at
this time when they're facing all of these calls, all
these international calls for a ceasefire, when they're facing pressure
from the Joe Biden administration, who has continuously and continually
has tried to slow walk Israel's ability to respond, slow
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walked Israel's initial ground invasion, and then now has been
putting pressure on Israel for this ceasefire.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So I had so many questions for him in the
green room.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I just wanted to hear his knowledge, wanted to hear
his feedback and his wisdom on all of this. So
I got with my producer and we figured, why not
have him on the show. Why not take the time
to bring that conversation to you and to be able
to ask all these questions to him. So that's what
we're going to do for this show is just get
his take on all of this. You know, how close
to our regional war are we? What do you need
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to know about the current situation and where is this
all heading. General Kellogg is a three star Army general
who has extensive experience in the military. He was also
the national security advisor to former Vice President Mike Pence.
You see him a lot on Fox News as well.
He's a great guy, smart man, and stay tuned for
that conversation. Well, General Kellugg, it's an honor to have
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you on the show, Sir. I saw you at the
Fox Green Room in DC when I was filling in
for Laura Ingram and you were about to go on
and talk about everything going on in Israel, and I
had all these questions for you about the hostage exchange
and what it meant for Israel and what it meant
for the war, and so I figured, you know what,
why not have him on and we can have this
conversation for the audience. So it was great to meet
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you in person, and I really appreciate you taking the
time today.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hey, Lisa, thanks for having me. It's good to be
with you.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You know, so one of the things I was talking
with you about, Sarah, are asking you questions about is
Obviously getting hostages home is a very positive thing. You know,
Lord only knows what they've been through with the pain
that their families have been through. Amas has had these
hostages since October seventh, So why now, why are they
engaging now?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah? And a Lisia, I think part of the reason
they're doing this is because the Israelis, the Raeli devents
forces have really put them on their heels. And the
Israelis have a very good strategic and operational plan with
Hamas and Gasha. And what they did is they cut Gaza,
the Gaza strip in half, a line called the Wadi
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Gaza line if you drew that right to the sea,
and then they cleared that to the north so they
could isolate Gaza City, which is really the center of gravity,
that the most important part of where Hamas is. And
then they started to reduce it reduce, meaning buildings, infrastructure,
Hamas terraces. And I think Hamas saw that and they
were on their back foot and they said, okay, we
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need a way to have a breathing spell. And they're
using the hostages in that regard and they're actually they
humus or being supported actually indirectly by the United States
in the sense that we are pushing Israel to come
up with a pause, which is going to a ceasefire
or an armistice long term, which I think is a
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huge mistake. They should let Israel finish the job. So
they're using the hostages as the region, and look what
they're doing. They're metering them out and they can't release
all the hostages if they're right now on their current timeline.
They just can't make it, especially when you looking at
a three to one transfer, where three Palestinians to every
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one Israeli or a foreign national. So the question you
have to ask is, Okay, what does this mean for
the long term. Oh, by the way, they've only released
one American and we're not sure how many they've gone.
Because the second part of that is this is what
I was with John roberts Es today explaining to him.
I said, my biggest concern, and I think it's going
to be born out, is that Hamas doesn't know where
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all these people are. They have no idea who they
have or where they're at. They don't have a good
we would call in the military a manifest that documents
how to reach these people, how to reach the organizations
that are holding them. So I think over the long term,
one of the reasons why they want to meet them
out is because they're not sure who they do have
and who they don't have. So again it was a
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long answer to a short question. They're looking because if
they want to get it to their advantage, go to
a ceasefire, which they want to go for a long
term armistice, and then that just actually is detrimental to
the Israeli effort.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And now that we've had this pause, I mean, Israel
has faced a tremendous amount of pressure for a ceasefire
internationally as well as from the media. Is it going
to be possible for Israel to re engage in their
overall goal, which is the destruction of hamas well?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's going to be hard because any time you're in
an operational pause, when we talk in the military of
an operational pause, we're only talking generally hours, and that's
to refit, rearm take a deep breath and go at
it again. When you're talking days or weeks, then the
whole idea of having the offensive capability is reduced considerably,
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not only in thinking through it, but in the be
able to fight and be find that where these people
are at because they're able to reconstitute themselves. So I
think over the long term, it's a huge mistake. And
that is where the duality of this really bothers me.
And what I mean by the duality. If you've got
our administration here in the United States, to Biden administration
saying well, we need to have a ceasefire, pause, long
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term worry about the hostages. What they have not talked
about is the ability for the Israelis to eradicate Hamas.
And when I say eradicate, I mean that in the
purest definition that you find, which means the elimination of
all of them as the leaders. And that includes made
this comment on the air yesterday, so I'm not running
from it. That includes Honiya, who is actually the Hamas
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Hamas political director in Kutter, and I said, he's one
of those guys that you know, you need to look
at real hard by taking him out as well, and
by you here and let me just do the bridge
with you. And here's what really bothers me with the
Biden administration. I have no idea why Joe Biden hasn't
picked up the phone and called chik Altani, who's the emir,
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the leader in Doha, and say to him, Okay, you
are also harboring the Hamas leadership, primarily Hania there. Why
don't you tell us how many Americans you've got or
why don't you tell me where they all the hostage are?
And he hasn't leveraged that, And I think it's a
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big mistake.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
There were a ton of reports about and Biden, I
think even more or less references in sixty minutes soon
after the terror attacks. You know, why has Biden pushed
back and tried to slow walk Israel's ground invasion initially
and then has also interfered and tried to, you know,
get these cease fires as well? Why is this administration
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so seemingly opposed to eradicating Hamas. You would think that
would be a shared interest.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, it's a great question, and I think it's in
his DNA as the commander in chief. Look, I think
of the White House in the situation room and who's
in there like a giant funnel, and you pour all
this information to the funnel and at the bottom end
of the funnel. There's only about seven or eight people
who really end up making helping with decisions. That's the President,
the Vice president, sex State sec, deaf, national Security Advisor,
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a couple of people like that. And I think what
you look at, though, the ultimate decision maker is always
the president constitutionally in itself, and he's always risk averse.
I reminded what Bob Gates said, he's former Secretary of
Defense and former CIA director. He said this on cb
Yes television episode and also wrote in his book that
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Joe Biden has been wrong on nearly every national security
decision in the last four years. And we all have
in our DNA how we react. And you and I
we probably both go to the same service station, same
grocery store, walk the walk the aisles the same way.
You know, we go to the same salons, whatever it is.
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It's always the same. And that's he's got that DNA.
He's developed this and bottom line, Joe Biden is risk averse.
He talks really good, but he doesn't play very well.
And that has been historically a pattern. I remind everybody
that when Obama went after Bin Laden and when they
were in the situation room, the word out of the
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situation room. There was only one person who tried to
push back on Obama and said don't do it yet,
and that was Joe Biden. So it's in his DNA
not to have risk, do risk. And I think that's
the big difference between he and the Trump administration, where
we would advise Trump and then he would make the
decision understanding the risk. In this administration and Biden, I
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don't think he's got advisors. I think he's got enablers,
and there's a huge difference enablers. Basically, you all agree
and then you go forward with an action. You know.
I'm reminded what Peter Drucker said. He was that great
management grew since past when he said, if everybody in
the room agrees with you, get rid of everybody in
the room. So basically, have people as advisors that would
push back, and we did in the Trump administration. So
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it's a long answered, short question, and I just think
it's as DNA not to do it. And it's proven
time and time begin and by the way, this you
can track this not only what's happened with with what's
happening in Israel, but he did the same thing with Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, but I think you know, Obama kind of nailed
it too when he reportedly said, don't underestimate Biden's ability
to f things up because the world.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I use that sometimes too as well.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, no kidding, right, and looking at everything going on
both here domestically and internationally as well. You know, I
was worried about this because I you know, I was
at un Fox the weekend that the terror attacks happened
and was co hosting the Big Show, and I remember
talking about how my concern was that Israel is not
just going to be fighting a war, but they would
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be fighting a propaganda war too, and that Biden would
end up kind of kneeling to the pressure that he
would be facing. You know, we're sort of seeing that happened.
I mean, how complicated is that when you're trying to
fight a war, but then you know you're also facing
this propaganda war, including having the military push the Gazen
Ministry of Health, which is Hamas.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And you're right on it, and they've kind of captured
they Hamas has kind of captured the narrative on this.
You know, this is a war of extinction between both
and I'm listening to BB not Naho. You know, the
Prime Minister of Israel. I'm fascinated in each of his speeches.
He always goes back and he talks in biblical terms.
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You know, in his first speech out he went back
to the Old Testament and Ecclesiastes three, you know, time
for all seasons. And he said, there's a time for war,
there's a time for peace. This is a time for war.
And I said, whoa. And every time he's talked now
he goes back and he talks like that, And so
you have to My belief has always been it's very
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important you look through the lens of the other person.
What is that he or she's seen that I'm not seeing,
and how they're talking. So Hamas is clearly in their
written charter talks about the elimination of Israel and the
Jewish people. They call him a zaion estate. And I
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think the Israelis understand that, and I don't think we do.
And I think we've put it where we've kind of said, well,
this is just another one of the local wars they've had.
Now this is much much deeper. They lost more people
on the seventh of October than they've lost the Jews
since the whole and if you look at it, if
you basically do it as would be per capita with
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the United States, we're talking thousands of people killed instead
of just hundreds. So I think they look at it
this way, and I think there's a frustration there that
has not been explained well, or people don't have And
I hate to say this, Lisa, I don't think some
people have a moral compass. I mean, it's very clear
to me, and I've got some moral certitude on this
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that I believe Historically, if we said at the end
of World War Two we would never tolerate this, we
the civilized population of the world would never tolerate something
like this again, Well, this is our moment, this is
our never again moment. You know. I've been a big
believer that you can have decency into pravity in the
same neighborhood, and decency meaning the Israelis into pravity, I
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mean a terrorist organization that, oh, by the way, we
declare a matory terroist organization in nineteen ninety seven. I
don't know what's missing here. We should understand that and
we should have the narrative. Now. I think where the
problem is and the solution is the same place is.
I don't think Joe Biden has been gone on to
national television and been the moral leader of this nation
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when it comes to this, when he's talked about just Israel,
don't conflate Israel and Ukraine together, don't bring it together,
don't talk about it, don't talk about Islamophobia, talk about
what this means from a moral certitude issue. And because
he hasn't done that, they've allowed other voices a lot
of anti Semitism to take hold and to include on
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campuses as well. So I think that's the problem. I
think there's a solution, they just haven't done it yet.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
We're going to take a quick commercial break more with
General Kellogg on the other side. I honestly, I don't
just say this, you know, obviously as a conservative who
you know obviously doesn't support this administration. I just really
do think Joe Biden lacks a backbone. And we've seen
it even you know, he changed his position on the
High Amendment during the campaign in twenty four hour. He
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just doesn't stand strong on any I don't really think
he believes in anything besides politics and staying in office.
And you know, like he just really is the epitome
of what a politician a week need politician. It was
even reading some articles on the prisoner the Palestinian prisoners,
and CBS was talking about, you know, oo, teen Palestinian prisoners,
like trying to act like somehow these people were innocent,
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and you know, you could go back to twenty eleven
when the Hamas leader was exchanged in a prisoner exchange
in twenty eleven. So we're not talking about just regular
civilians that are being released from these Israeli jails. We're
talking about many of these people who engaged in terror
attacks against Israelis.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
The narrative has picked up that it's an equivalence for
every Palestinian they've released, you you know, they've released Israelis.
The Israelis were taken by an incursion and invasion of
homage into Israel. A lot of those Palestinians are in
jail because of what they've done to police or civilians
as well. That's one of the things we did in
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the Trump administration. We took money away from the Palestinian
authority because they had to pay for slaver program where
they would pay money a big stipend. Doubt if somebody
in Palestinian would kill, shoot, wound may Israeli civilian. And
what happened is the Taylor Force Issue Act came out
because one of them killed in an American happened to
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be a West Point graduate, happened to be in Tel
Aviv and he was killed. And so we basically said, no,
that's not going to happen. We're not going to give
it to you. Now they've reinstituted the funding back into
into the Palestine Authority, and it's one of the reasons
why I think that the Palestinian authorities can't be allowed
to do something in a new gaza. I think they
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need to bring somebody else besides the boss, because his
portfolio shot out and there are people out there, and
I said that yesterday to some people. There are some
people out there that who actually I think Israelis could
work with that are Palestinian, not homage and long term.
They need to think like that, because somebody has to
think least a long term. How do they get out
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of the box they're in right now, And they're in
a box. Joe Biden isn't going to help them. You're
absolutely right, he's risk averse, but it's in his DNA.
It's the way he is. And I think is if
nobody's pushing back on in his advisors. I think that's
been proven from Afghanistan to now.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I mean to be honest, I just think he's
a coward.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
We've seen a lot of attacks on US basis in
the Middle East following the terror attacks, a lot of
attacks on US soldiers. What do you think the goal
of those attacks are? Is it just to kill US forces?
Does it try is it to try to get us
to engage in a war? What's the objective with those
do you think? And how concerned are you that that
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could lead to something bigger or even worse, you know,
could kill a bunch of US soldiers.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think they're deliberately tweaking our nose, we the United
States by doing these attacks. And it's well o verse
seventy right now. I remind people, I said, go back
to the State of the Union addressed by President Trump
in January of twenty twenty, when he said very clearly
and people can find it, you know, on Google on tape,
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if you attack an American, he didn't say kill. If
you attack an American in your life, is forfeit. Bingo
got it. Real clear message was sent out there, and
I think what they're doing right now is you're just
harashing and showing to us through kind of saying, see,
we can kick sand in the Americans face and they're
not going to do anything. And it lowers our prestige
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level in the region because they're saying, Jesus, the Americans,
with all the combat capability and capacity they have in
the region, which is significant, they're not going to do anything.
I think the first thing this happened is through our
protecting power, which is the Swiss with Iran, because we
don't have relations with the Iranians, diplomatic relations as we
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should have passed them. Shoot another you use a drone
to shoot in an American base and all of your
drone factories are at nine o'clock tomorrow morning going to
be gone. And you use your Tomaul land attack missiles
and they've got over six hundred of them in the
Gulf region right now. You just start doing it to
this infrastructure and then you go up the line you say, okay,
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the next one is this until you get the Supreme
leader and then you tell Kameni, okay, you're going to
put a tea lamp through your front door. And once
they understand you're serious, they're going to back off. But
they don't think we're serious about anything. And my concern
again is if they kill an American, then it's going
to be what does Biden do then? And then the
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voices are going to be raised, why didn't you do
something earlier? And that'll be a good question. It goes
back to what you said. You said, he's a coward.
I can't disagree with you at all, but he's not
willing to take the hard risks to do anything. You know,
that was one thing I admired President Trump. What I
admired about Tresident Trump is you know, you use the
hockey term. He was willing to drop gloves and fight.
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He didn't want to fight. He was a reluctant warrior.
And the first time I told him that, he got
a little bit upset with me, and I said, you know,
mister President, that's a compliment. You know, if you're a
military guy, you're willing to fight for somebody who's not
going to use you in a stupid way, but if
there's reasons to be used, and the commander in chief
says do it. You're confident that you're going to get
the job done because the people believe in what you're
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doing or what you want to have happen. And I
don't think we're there right now with this president.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That makes sense because it gives our soldiers the confidence
of Okay, if this is the go ahead, it's a
worthwhile go ahead. It's you know, this is what we
should be doing versus you know, just sort of indiscriminately,
you know, fighting wars. How close to a regional war
are we? Will this become a regional war?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
If Trump was in the White House, he answered me
without question no, because people wouldn't want to go there
with this administration. I think the answer could be yes.
In a regional war meaning Iran support and hesbalah hamas
Israel under pressure the Saudi's kind of standing back and
saying no, I'm not too sure you want to play
with Biden's administration, and then you're kind of it'd be
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a limited war, wouldn't be a major war. But there's
a lot of consequences what we call branches and sequels
from something like that. You know, what would happen in
the Strait of Oramuz, What would happen in the Persian Gulf,
you know, what would happen in Israel, what would happen
in Iraq. So the possibility of that happening is there,
and that's the reason why the United States should act
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very very hard and be very very tough when they
deal with the Iranians and they deal with the Hamas,
or deal with anybody in the region. You know, I
reminded what Teddy Roosevelt said years and years and years
ago when he said, when you strike strike hard, that
makes sense to me. Man a few words and he
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gets it across, and that's what needs to be done.
So I think the potential is there. It has grown significantly,
I think, I think, just not in a regional more.
But I am very concerned that I have. I don't
think I've ever seen in my time that the world
is as unstable as is today. U, and I'm talking
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about what you're seeing in Europe with Russia, Ukraine, what
you're seeing in the Pacific with the escalation of China
as necessarily a regional power, but a global power. What
you're seeing what's happening in the Middle East, what you're
actually seeing in South America, in Latin America as well.
I think there's more problems on your plate than you
can you can handle right now. And I don't think
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they're good at doing a good job day the Biden administration,
and I don't think Jake Sullivan is either being able
to juggle all these balls at the same time, and
some of them are going to drop.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's a very scary time to be alive, you know.
I obviously you understand it in very very real terms
as someone who's spent so long serving your country. But
you know, I think just even to the average American,
you know, we all feel how unstable everything is. This
instability in the country and or throughout the world rather
quick break more in the Middle East, stay tuned. You know,
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there's been this intense focus on gas and deaths and
you know, one we don't really know the exact number
because Hamas is the government of Gaza, and you know
they're terrorists and their liars. And then secondly, I mean,
as sad as it is, I mean it's war, and
some of that is inevitable. What do you make of then,
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and why this intense focus on you know, numbers as
opposed to why is Ree's at war? Why is real
needs to defend itself and what the ultimate goal should be.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, I think part of it is a lack of knowledge.
What I mean by a lack of knowledge is from
a soldier's perspective, war is terrible, and those that have
fought in it know how terrible it is. And I
remember it used to when I would talk with the
president or the vice president, I'd say, you know, before
you go in here, you understand people are going to die,
a lot of them, and these you know, when you
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see these distinguished the transfers up at Dover, that's the
result of the decision that you will make or not make.
And I think they just don't understand how hard it is.
But historically speaking, it's a lack of historical knowledge, Lisa,
You know I remind people I said, you know, I'll
just give you some I'll give you three examples. You know,
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when ship back in the Third Punic War, back a
few days when Sippio Africanus went into Carthage, and they
were so mad at the Carthaginians from what they'd done
from Hannibal on. They basically destroyed Carthage. The last seventy
thousand they took as slaves and they destroyed the city
and then tilted under using sand. Fast forward to the
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Civil War with Ulysses s Grant and he was sent
Sherman in his march to the sea and they burned
it in Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground no military reason.
Just did it. Sent a point World War two when
you look at what we did with both resident in
Tokyo with Dresden, we just did that deliberately to level
a complete German city for no military reason. We're just
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sending a message. And that's what's going to have to happen.
And that's where our war is so hard, and there's
there's there is not good accountability. And when you get
into a built up area or a city and you're fighting,
it gets even worse because inside the rubble there are
going to be bodies. There's going to be civilians that
are killed. But that is the reason why you never
want to get into war. But if you get into
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the war, you need to prosecute it as hard as
you can to limit the damage long term and bring
into a conclusion as best you can. And sometimes bringing
it to inclusion conclusion is you have to be very
very hard. I mean again. I made a comment in
you know John Roberts yesterday, I said, this is the
time when inside the situation room you need to have
people who have nerves of steel and a steel spine,
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and they need to make those hard calls and afterwards
they probably want to go up and you know, throw
throw up in the corner, because what they're doing is
making sure that people understand this is going to be
a very horrific fight and there's going to be civilians
that are going to die. We didn't want this fight,
but this is the way it's going to be, and
you prosecute to its fullest, because if you don't prosecute
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war to its fullest, then you're going to end up
with another Hamas year, two years, five years, ten years
down the line with no resolution. And I don't think
the Israeli's leads can afford that. I think they've got
to eradicate this and they need to start all over again.
You know, when we were doing the Abraham Abraham Accords,
we actually went to Bahrain and we did Peace through
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Prosperity where Jared Kushner went there and we wanted to
show the Palestinians in a briefing what this could look like.
Palestinians would even show up to the meeting, so we
never really got to show him what we tried to
do economically, because Trump always came at the world from
an economic vision first, and then he went to a
military version instead of the other way around. Instead of
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a military or kinetic version, then they're an economic version.
It was all is the economic, diplomatic then military, you.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Know, and then also we know that you know, obviously
Hamas tries to increase those civilian deaths, and then you know,
even further, it's you know, I think it's kind of
difficult to differentiate between the average Palestinian and Hamas when
polls show so many Palestinians support Hamas and have taken
part in the attacks, and you know, so there's a
lot of great territory in that way.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Can Israel go it alone?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know, if they continue to face this pushback from
the Biden administration, from the international community, should they go
it alone?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Can they go it alone?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I think if you're looking at Hamash and Hesblah, I
think right now they can contain it. But if it
starts being involved with outside actors Iran, they cannot then
I think my concern then is you go to a
real escalation phase and the Israelis are not afraid to escalate,
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and who knows where that will take them, but they
are not willing. And I said earlier these historical references
are very important biblical references because they really mean never again,
and if they have to, they will use an ultimate weapon,
and that means within the region. And I really believe that.
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So right now, I think we need to support them.
They can handle Hamas. I don't think HESBLA really wants
to get involved because so they're now more of a
political party than a military party in Lebanon. But I
think they're going to be okay. But if they don't
have our support, it's going to be a really really
hard slog form. And what I mean by our support,
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the President needs to say, hey, BB dude, eradicate Hamas
over to you, instead of saying, well, we need to
worry about the prisoners, we need to worry about the
use of force, which to me is an insult to
the Israelis when we start talking to them about the
rules of war when the other side hasn't even acknowledged
them at all. I said guys. You know, if anybody's
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been following the rules of war warfare is the Israeli
and not Hamas. So I think they can contain it,
but they need to finish the job. But they need
our support to do it. And I think everybody's waiting
in the world waiting how the United States is going
to react to this. There's a lot of countries waiting
on the sidelines right now. Are they going to weigh in?
And I don't think they're going to weigh in until
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they have firm commitment and confidence in President Joe Biden
that he's going to do the right thing. I think
they're just going to stand back and watch, which.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Is a sad state of the fairs because you know,
I don't have confidence in this president to do the
right thing, you know, particularly when all of a sudden
the issue is Islamophobia. After he pulls with seventeen percent
of Arab Americans, you know, a cle clear political move
on his behalf, and instead of just doing the right thing,
General Keith Kellogg, I've learned so much from you today.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Is there anything you'd like to leave us with before
we go?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I actually go back to J. R. R. Tolkien you
know who wrote The Lord of the Rings since deceased,
and he said there's a great comment he made. He said,
there's a lot of good in this world and it's
worth fighting for. And I really believe that, and I
think this is the time when you have to support
people who want to fight, regardless of where they're at,
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for good in the world. And I think if we
don't fight for good in the world, I don't care
if it's economically, I don't care if it's politically, I
don't care if it's militarily it can be all those
things are one of those things, then I think we
need a huge mistake, and I think people need to
sit back and really think real hard, think about history
and think about how we got here and how we're
kind of a blessed nation and what that means, and
put everybody pull together. I don't think this administration is
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can do it for us. I think we have to
do it on our own.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Jeneral Kellogg, I appreciate your wisdom and bringing this information
to my audience and taking the time to join us today.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
It's an honor. I really do appreciate your time, sir.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Thanks Lisa, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That was General Pete Kellogg.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I appreciate him taking the time to come on the
show learn so much from him. I hope you guys
did too. I appreciate you for listening every Monday and
his debut. You can listen throughout the week. I want
to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the
show together.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Until next time,
So he had the opportunity to meet General Keith Kellogg
last week in the green room at Fox. I had
so many questions for him about the hostages being released
from Israel and what this means for Israel's broader goal,
which is to eradicate Hamas. My concern stem from this
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ceasefire and this pause. How would that impact Israel's ability
to then re engage in war, you know, particularly at
this time when they're facing all of these calls, all
these international calls for a ceasefire, when they're facing pressure
from the Joe Biden administration, who has continuously and continually
has tried to slow walk Israel's ability to respond, slow
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walked Israel's initial ground invasion, and then now has been
putting pressure on Israel for this ceasefire.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So I had so many questions for him in the
green room.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I just wanted to hear his knowledge, wanted to hear
his feedback and his wisdom on all of this. So
I got with my producer and we figured, why not
have him on the show. Why not take the time
to bring that conversation to you and to be able
to ask all these questions to him. So that's what
we're going to do for this show is just get
his take on all of this. You know, how close
to our regional war are we? What do you need
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to know about the current situation and where is this
all heading. General Kellogg is a three star Army general
who has extensive experience in the military. He was also
the national security advisor to former Vice President Mike Pence.
You see him a lot on Fox News as well.
He's a great guy, smart man, and stay tuned for
that conversation. Well, General Kellugg, it's an honor to have
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you on the show, Sir. I saw you at the
Fox Green Room in DC when I was filling in
for Laura Ingram and you were about to go on
and talk about everything going on in Israel, and I
had all these questions for you about the hostage exchange
and what it meant for Israel and what it meant
for the war, and so I figured, you know what,
why not have him on and we can have this
conversation for the audience. So it was great to meet
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you in person, and I really appreciate you taking the
time today.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hey, Lisa, thanks for having me. It's good to be
with you.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You know, so one of the things I was talking
with you about, Sarah, are asking you questions about is
Obviously getting hostages home is a very positive thing. You know,
Lord only knows what they've been through with the pain
that their families have been through. Amas has had these
hostages since October seventh, So why now, why are they
engaging now?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah? And a Lisia, I think part of the reason
they're doing this is because the Israelis, the Raeli devents
forces have really put them on their heels. And the
Israelis have a very good strategic and operational plan with
Hamas and Gasha. And what they did is they cut Gaza,
the Gaza strip in half, a line called the Wadi
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Gaza line if you drew that right to the sea,
and then they cleared that to the north so they
could isolate Gaza City, which is really the center of gravity,
that the most important part of where Hamas is. And
then they started to reduce it reduce, meaning buildings, infrastructure,
Hamas terraces. And I think Hamas saw that and they
were on their back foot and they said, okay, we
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need a way to have a breathing spell. And they're
using the hostages in that regard and they're actually they
humus or being supported actually indirectly by the United States
in the sense that we are pushing Israel to come
up with a pause, which is going to a ceasefire
or an armistice long term, which I think is a
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huge mistake. They should let Israel finish the job. So
they're using the hostages as the region, and look what
they're doing. They're metering them out and they can't release
all the hostages if they're right now on their current timeline.
They just can't make it, especially when you looking at
a three to one transfer, where three Palestinians to every
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one Israeli or a foreign national. So the question you
have to ask is, Okay, what does this mean for
the long term. Oh, by the way, they've only released
one American and we're not sure how many they've gone.
Because the second part of that is this is what
I was with John roberts Es today explaining to him.
I said, my biggest concern, and I think it's going
to be born out, is that Hamas doesn't know where
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all these people are. They have no idea who they
have or where they're at. They don't have a good
we would call in the military a manifest that documents
how to reach these people, how to reach the organizations
that are holding them. So I think over the long term,
one of the reasons why they want to meet them
out is because they're not sure who they do have
and who they don't have. So again it was a
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long answer to a short question. They're looking because if
they want to get it to their advantage, go to
a ceasefire, which they want to go for a long
term armistice, and then that just actually is detrimental to
the Israeli effort.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And now that we've had this pause, I mean, Israel
has faced a tremendous amount of pressure for a ceasefire
internationally as well as from the media. Is it going
to be possible for Israel to re engage in their
overall goal, which is the destruction of hamas well?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's going to be hard because any time you're in
an operational pause, when we talk in the military of
an operational pause, we're only talking generally hours, and that's
to refit, rearm take a deep breath and go at
it again. When you're talking days or weeks, then the
whole idea of having the offensive capability is reduced considerably,
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not only in thinking through it, but in the be
able to fight and be find that where these people
are at because they're able to reconstitute themselves. So I
think over the long term, it's a huge mistake. And
that is where the duality of this really bothers me.
And what I mean by the duality. If you've got
our administration here in the United States, to Biden administration
saying well, we need to have a ceasefire, pause, long
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term worry about the hostages. What they have not talked
about is the ability for the Israelis to eradicate Hamas.
And when I say eradicate, I mean that in the
purest definition that you find, which means the elimination of
all of them as the leaders. And that includes made
this comment on the air yesterday, so I'm not running
from it. That includes Honiya, who is actually the Hamas
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Hamas political director in Kutter, and I said, he's one
of those guys that you know, you need to look
at real hard by taking him out as well, and
by you here and let me just do the bridge
with you. And here's what really bothers me with the
Biden administration. I have no idea why Joe Biden hasn't
picked up the phone and called chik Altani, who's the emir,
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the leader in Doha, and say to him, Okay, you
are also harboring the Hamas leadership, primarily Hania there. Why
don't you tell us how many Americans you've got or
why don't you tell me where they all the hostage are?
And he hasn't leveraged that, And I think it's a
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big mistake.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
There were a ton of reports about and Biden, I
think even more or less references in sixty minutes soon
after the terror attacks. You know, why has Biden pushed
back and tried to slow walk Israel's ground invasion initially
and then has also interfered and tried to, you know,
get these cease fires as well? Why is this administration
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so seemingly opposed to eradicating Hamas. You would think that
would be a shared interest.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, it's a great question, and I think it's in
his DNA as the commander in chief. Look, I think
of the White House in the situation room and who's
in there like a giant funnel, and you pour all
this information to the funnel and at the bottom end
of the funnel. There's only about seven or eight people
who really end up making helping with decisions. That's the President,
the Vice president, sex State sec, deaf, national Security Advisor,
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a couple of people like that. And I think what
you look at, though, the ultimate decision maker is always
the president constitutionally in itself, and he's always risk averse.
I reminded what Bob Gates said, he's former Secretary of
Defense and former CIA director. He said this on cb
Yes television episode and also wrote in his book that
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Joe Biden has been wrong on nearly every national security
decision in the last four years. And we all have
in our DNA how we react. And you and I
we probably both go to the same service station, same
grocery store, walk the walk the aisles the same way.
You know, we go to the same salons, whatever it is.
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It's always the same. And that's he's got that DNA.
He's developed this and bottom line, Joe Biden is risk averse.
He talks really good, but he doesn't play very well.
And that has been historically a pattern. I remind everybody
that when Obama went after Bin Laden and when they
were in the situation room, the word out of the
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situation room. There was only one person who tried to
push back on Obama and said don't do it yet,
and that was Joe Biden. So it's in his DNA
not to have risk, do risk. And I think that's
the big difference between he and the Trump administration, where
we would advise Trump and then he would make the
decision understanding the risk. In this administration and Biden, I
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don't think he's got advisors. I think he's got enablers,
and there's a huge difference enablers. Basically, you all agree
and then you go forward with an action. You know.
I'm reminded what Peter Drucker said. He was that great
management grew since past when he said, if everybody in
the room agrees with you, get rid of everybody in
the room. So basically, have people as advisors that would
push back, and we did in the Trump administration. So
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it's a long answered, short question, and I just think
it's as DNA not to do it. And it's proven
time and time begin and by the way, this you
can track this not only what's happened with with what's
happening in Israel, but he did the same thing with Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, but I think you know, Obama kind of nailed
it too when he reportedly said, don't underestimate Biden's ability
to f things up because the world.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I use that sometimes too as well.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, no kidding, right, and looking at everything going on
both here domestically and internationally as well. You know, I
was worried about this because I you know, I was
at un Fox the weekend that the terror attacks happened
and was co hosting the Big Show, and I remember
talking about how my concern was that Israel is not
just going to be fighting a war, but they would
(10:19):
be fighting a propaganda war too, and that Biden would
end up kind of kneeling to the pressure that he
would be facing. You know, we're sort of seeing that happened.
I mean, how complicated is that when you're trying to
fight a war, but then you know you're also facing
this propaganda war, including having the military push the Gazen
Ministry of Health, which is Hamas.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And you're right on it, and they've kind of captured
they Hamas has kind of captured the narrative on this.
You know, this is a war of extinction between both
and I'm listening to BB not Naho. You know, the
Prime Minister of Israel. I'm fascinated in each of his speeches.
He always goes back and he talks in biblical terms.
(11:01):
You know, in his first speech out he went back
to the Old Testament and Ecclesiastes three, you know, time
for all seasons. And he said, there's a time for war,
there's a time for peace. This is a time for war.
And I said, whoa. And every time he's talked now
he goes back and he talks like that, And so
you have to My belief has always been it's very
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important you look through the lens of the other person.
What is that he or she's seen that I'm not seeing,
and how they're talking. So Hamas is clearly in their
written charter talks about the elimination of Israel and the
Jewish people. They call him a zaion estate. And I
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think the Israelis understand that, and I don't think we do.
And I think we've put it where we've kind of said, well,
this is just another one of the local wars they've had.
Now this is much much deeper. They lost more people
on the seventh of October than they've lost the Jews
since the whole and if you look at it, if
you basically do it as would be per capita with
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the United States, we're talking thousands of people killed instead
of just hundreds. So I think they look at it
this way, and I think there's a frustration there that
has not been explained well, or people don't have And
I hate to say this, Lisa, I don't think some
people have a moral compass. I mean, it's very clear
to me, and I've got some moral certitude on this
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that I believe Historically, if we said at the end
of World War Two we would never tolerate this, we
the civilized population of the world would never tolerate something
like this again, Well, this is our moment, this is
our never again moment. You know. I've been a big
believer that you can have decency into pravity in the
same neighborhood, and decency meaning the Israelis into pravity, I
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mean a terrorist organization that, oh, by the way, we
declare a matory terroist organization in nineteen ninety seven. I
don't know what's missing here. We should understand that and
we should have the narrative. Now. I think where the
problem is and the solution is the same place is.
I don't think Joe Biden has been gone on to
national television and been the moral leader of this nation
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when it comes to this, when he's talked about just Israel,
don't conflate Israel and Ukraine together, don't bring it together,
don't talk about it, don't talk about Islamophobia, talk about
what this means from a moral certitude issue. And because
he hasn't done that, they've allowed other voices a lot
of anti Semitism to take hold and to include on
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campuses as well. So I think that's the problem. I
think there's a solution, they just haven't done it yet.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
We're going to take a quick commercial break more with
General Kellogg on the other side. I honestly, I don't
just say this, you know, obviously as a conservative who
you know obviously doesn't support this administration. I just really
do think Joe Biden lacks a backbone. And we've seen
it even you know, he changed his position on the
High Amendment during the campaign in twenty four hour. He
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just doesn't stand strong on any I don't really think
he believes in anything besides politics and staying in office.
And you know, like he just really is the epitome
of what a politician a week need politician. It was
even reading some articles on the prisoner the Palestinian prisoners,
and CBS was talking about, you know, oo, teen Palestinian prisoners,
like trying to act like somehow these people were innocent,
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and you know, you could go back to twenty eleven
when the Hamas leader was exchanged in a prisoner exchange
in twenty eleven. So we're not talking about just regular
civilians that are being released from these Israeli jails. We're
talking about many of these people who engaged in terror
attacks against Israelis.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
The narrative has picked up that it's an equivalence for
every Palestinian they've released, you you know, they've released Israelis.
The Israelis were taken by an incursion and invasion of
homage into Israel. A lot of those Palestinians are in
jail because of what they've done to police or civilians
as well. That's one of the things we did in
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the Trump administration. We took money away from the Palestinian
authority because they had to pay for slaver program where
they would pay money a big stipend. Doubt if somebody
in Palestinian would kill, shoot, wound may Israeli civilian. And
what happened is the Taylor Force Issue Act came out
because one of them killed in an American happened to
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be a West Point graduate, happened to be in Tel
Aviv and he was killed. And so we basically said, no,
that's not going to happen. We're not going to give
it to you. Now they've reinstituted the funding back into
into the Palestine Authority, and it's one of the reasons
why I think that the Palestinian authorities can't be allowed
to do something in a new gaza. I think they
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need to bring somebody else besides the boss, because his
portfolio shot out and there are people out there, and
I said that yesterday to some people. There are some
people out there that who actually I think Israelis could
work with that are Palestinian, not homage and long term.
They need to think like that, because somebody has to
think least a long term. How do they get out
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of the box they're in right now, And they're in
a box. Joe Biden isn't going to help them. You're
absolutely right, he's risk averse, but it's in his DNA.
It's the way he is. And I think is if
nobody's pushing back on in his advisors. I think that's
been proven from Afghanistan to now.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I mean to be honest, I just think he's
a coward.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
We've seen a lot of attacks on US basis in
the Middle East following the terror attacks, a lot of
attacks on US soldiers. What do you think the goal
of those attacks are? Is it just to kill US forces?
Does it try is it to try to get us
to engage in a war? What's the objective with those
do you think? And how concerned are you that that
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could lead to something bigger or even worse, you know,
could kill a bunch of US soldiers.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think they're deliberately tweaking our nose, we the United
States by doing these attacks. And it's well o verse
seventy right now. I remind people, I said, go back
to the State of the Union addressed by President Trump
in January of twenty twenty, when he said very clearly
and people can find it, you know, on Google on tape,
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if you attack an American, he didn't say kill. If
you attack an American in your life, is forfeit. Bingo
got it. Real clear message was sent out there, and
I think what they're doing right now is you're just
harashing and showing to us through kind of saying, see,
we can kick sand in the Americans face and they're
not going to do anything. And it lowers our prestige
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level in the region because they're saying, Jesus, the Americans,
with all the combat capability and capacity they have in
the region, which is significant, they're not going to do anything.
I think the first thing this happened is through our
protecting power, which is the Swiss with Iran, because we
don't have relations with the Iranians, diplomatic relations as we
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should have passed them. Shoot another you use a drone
to shoot in an American base and all of your
drone factories are at nine o'clock tomorrow morning going to
be gone. And you use your Tomaul land attack missiles
and they've got over six hundred of them in the
Gulf region right now. You just start doing it to
this infrastructure and then you go up the line you say, okay,
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the next one is this until you get the Supreme
leader and then you tell Kameni, okay, you're going to
put a tea lamp through your front door. And once
they understand you're serious, they're going to back off. But
they don't think we're serious about anything. And my concern
again is if they kill an American, then it's going
to be what does Biden do then? And then the
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voices are going to be raised, why didn't you do
something earlier? And that'll be a good question. It goes
back to what you said. You said, he's a coward.
I can't disagree with you at all, but he's not
willing to take the hard risks to do anything. You know,
that was one thing I admired President Trump. What I
admired about Tresident Trump is you know, you use the
hockey term. He was willing to drop gloves and fight.
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He didn't want to fight. He was a reluctant warrior.
And the first time I told him that, he got
a little bit upset with me, and I said, you know,
mister President, that's a compliment. You know, if you're a
military guy, you're willing to fight for somebody who's not
going to use you in a stupid way, but if
there's reasons to be used, and the commander in chief
says do it. You're confident that you're going to get
the job done because the people believe in what you're
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doing or what you want to have happen. And I
don't think we're there right now with this president.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That makes sense because it gives our soldiers the confidence
of Okay, if this is the go ahead, it's a
worthwhile go ahead. It's you know, this is what we
should be doing versus you know, just sort of indiscriminately,
you know, fighting wars. How close to a regional war
are we? Will this become a regional war?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
If Trump was in the White House, he answered me
without question no, because people wouldn't want to go there
with this administration. I think the answer could be yes.
In a regional war meaning Iran support and hesbalah hamas
Israel under pressure the Saudi's kind of standing back and
saying no, I'm not too sure you want to play
with Biden's administration, and then you're kind of it'd be
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a limited war, wouldn't be a major war. But there's
a lot of consequences what we call branches and sequels
from something like that. You know, what would happen in
the Strait of Oramuz, What would happen in the Persian Gulf,
you know, what would happen in Israel, what would happen
in Iraq. So the possibility of that happening is there,
and that's the reason why the United States should act
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very very hard and be very very tough when they
deal with the Iranians and they deal with the Hamas,
or deal with anybody in the region. You know, I
reminded what Teddy Roosevelt said years and years and years
ago when he said, when you strike strike hard, that
makes sense to me. Man a few words and he
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gets it across, and that's what needs to be done.
So I think the potential is there. It has grown significantly,
I think, I think, just not in a regional more.
But I am very concerned that I have. I don't
think I've ever seen in my time that the world
is as unstable as is today. U, and I'm talking
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about what you're seeing in Europe with Russia, Ukraine, what
you're seeing in the Pacific with the escalation of China
as necessarily a regional power, but a global power. What
you're seeing what's happening in the Middle East, what you're
actually seeing in South America, in Latin America as well.
I think there's more problems on your plate than you
can you can handle right now. And I don't think
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they're good at doing a good job day the Biden administration,
and I don't think Jake Sullivan is either being able
to juggle all these balls at the same time, and
some of them are going to drop.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's a very scary time to be alive, you know.
I obviously you understand it in very very real terms
as someone who's spent so long serving your country. But
you know, I think just even to the average American,
you know, we all feel how unstable everything is. This
instability in the country and or throughout the world rather
quick break more in the Middle East, stay tuned. You know,
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there's been this intense focus on gas and deaths and
you know, one we don't really know the exact number
because Hamas is the government of Gaza, and you know
they're terrorists and their liars. And then secondly, I mean,
as sad as it is, I mean it's war, and
some of that is inevitable. What do you make of then,
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and why this intense focus on you know, numbers as
opposed to why is Ree's at war? Why is real
needs to defend itself and what the ultimate goal should be.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, I think part of it is a lack of knowledge.
What I mean by a lack of knowledge is from
a soldier's perspective, war is terrible, and those that have
fought in it know how terrible it is. And I
remember it used to when I would talk with the
president or the vice president, I'd say, you know, before
you go in here, you understand people are going to die,
a lot of them, and these you know, when you
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see these distinguished the transfers up at Dover, that's the
result of the decision that you will make or not make.
And I think they just don't understand how hard it is.
But historically speaking, it's a lack of historical knowledge, Lisa,
You know I remind people I said, you know, I'll
just give you some I'll give you three examples. You know,
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when ship back in the Third Punic War, back a
few days when Sippio Africanus went into Carthage, and they
were so mad at the Carthaginians from what they'd done
from Hannibal on. They basically destroyed Carthage. The last seventy
thousand they took as slaves and they destroyed the city
and then tilted under using sand. Fast forward to the
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Civil War with Ulysses s Grant and he was sent
Sherman in his march to the sea and they burned
it in Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground no military reason.
Just did it. Sent a point World War two when
you look at what we did with both resident in
Tokyo with Dresden, we just did that deliberately to level
a complete German city for no military reason. We're just
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sending a message. And that's what's going to have to happen.
And that's where our war is so hard, and there's
there's there is not good accountability. And when you get
into a built up area or a city and you're fighting,
it gets even worse because inside the rubble there are
going to be bodies. There's going to be civilians that
are killed. But that is the reason why you never
want to get into war. But if you get into
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the war, you need to prosecute it as hard as
you can to limit the damage long term and bring
into a conclusion as best you can. And sometimes bringing
it to inclusion conclusion is you have to be very
very hard. I mean again. I made a comment in
you know John Roberts yesterday, I said, this is the
time when inside the situation room you need to have
people who have nerves of steel and a steel spine,
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and they need to make those hard calls and afterwards
they probably want to go up and you know, throw
throw up in the corner, because what they're doing is
making sure that people understand this is going to be
a very horrific fight and there's going to be civilians
that are going to die. We didn't want this fight,
but this is the way it's going to be, and
you prosecute to its fullest, because if you don't prosecute
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war to its fullest, then you're going to end up
with another Hamas year, two years, five years, ten years
down the line with no resolution. And I don't think
the Israeli's leads can afford that. I think they've got
to eradicate this and they need to start all over again.
You know, when we were doing the Abraham Abraham Accords,
we actually went to Bahrain and we did Peace through
(25:34):
Prosperity where Jared Kushner went there and we wanted to
show the Palestinians in a briefing what this could look like.
Palestinians would even show up to the meeting, so we
never really got to show him what we tried to
do economically, because Trump always came at the world from
an economic vision first, and then he went to a
military version instead of the other way around. Instead of
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a military or kinetic version, then they're an economic version.
It was all is the economic, diplomatic then military, you.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Know, and then also we know that you know, obviously
Hamas tries to increase those civilian deaths, and then you know,
even further, it's you know, I think it's kind of
difficult to differentiate between the average Palestinian and Hamas when
polls show so many Palestinians support Hamas and have taken
part in the attacks, and you know, so there's a
lot of great territory in that way.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Can Israel go it alone?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know, if they continue to face this pushback from
the Biden administration, from the international community, should they go
it alone?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Can they go it alone?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I think if you're looking at Hamash and Hesblah, I
think right now they can contain it. But if it
starts being involved with outside actors Iran, they cannot then
I think my concern then is you go to a
real escalation phase and the Israelis are not afraid to escalate,
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and who knows where that will take them, but they
are not willing. And I said earlier these historical references
are very important biblical references because they really mean never again,
and if they have to, they will use an ultimate weapon,
and that means within the region. And I really believe that.
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So right now, I think we need to support them.
They can handle Hamas. I don't think HESBLA really wants
to get involved because so they're now more of a
political party than a military party in Lebanon. But I
think they're going to be okay. But if they don't
have our support, it's going to be a really really
hard slog form. And what I mean by our support,
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the President needs to say, hey, BB dude, eradicate Hamas
over to you, instead of saying, well, we need to
worry about the prisoners, we need to worry about the
use of force, which to me is an insult to
the Israelis when we start talking to them about the
rules of war when the other side hasn't even acknowledged
them at all. I said guys. You know, if anybody's
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been following the rules of war warfare is the Israeli
and not Hamas. So I think they can contain it,
but they need to finish the job. But they need
our support to do it. And I think everybody's waiting
in the world waiting how the United States is going
to react to this. There's a lot of countries waiting
on the sidelines right now. Are they going to weigh in?
And I don't think they're going to weigh in until
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they have firm commitment and confidence in President Joe Biden
that he's going to do the right thing. I think
they're just going to stand back and watch, which.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Is a sad state of the fairs because you know,
I don't have confidence in this president to do the
right thing, you know, particularly when all of a sudden
the issue is Islamophobia. After he pulls with seventeen percent
of Arab Americans, you know, a cle clear political move
on his behalf, and instead of just doing the right thing,
General Keith Kellogg, I've learned so much from you today.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Is there anything you'd like to leave us with before
we go?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I actually go back to J. R. R. Tolkien you
know who wrote The Lord of the Rings since deceased,
and he said there's a great comment he made. He said,
there's a lot of good in this world and it's
worth fighting for. And I really believe that, and I
think this is the time when you have to support
people who want to fight, regardless of where they're at,
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for good in the world. And I think if we
don't fight for good in the world, I don't care
if it's economically, I don't care if it's politically, I
don't care if it's militarily it can be all those
things are one of those things, then I think we
need a huge mistake, and I think people need to
sit back and really think real hard, think about history
and think about how we got here and how we're
kind of a blessed nation and what that means, and
put everybody pull together. I don't think this administration is
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can do it for us. I think we have to
do it on our own.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Jeneral Kellogg, I appreciate your wisdom and bringing this information
to my audience and taking the time to join us today.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
It's an honor. I really do appreciate your time, sir.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Thanks Lisa, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That was General Pete Kellogg.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I appreciate him taking the time to come on the
show learn so much from him. I hope you guys
did too. I appreciate you for listening every Monday and
his debut. You can listen throughout the week. I want
to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the
show together.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
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