September 15, 2023 • 40 mins
In this episode, Tudor welcomes Calley Means back to the podcast to discuss healthcare in America. They discuss the dos and don'ts as your kids head back to school. Plus, a ton of hidden secrets behind some of the foods you have loved for years and how powerful politicians are keeping the jig going. A must hear episode for parents. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. For more information visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Tudor Dixon podcast in the Clay
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Back to school session
is in full swing, which means now I, along with
so many other parents, are faced with the morning rush
question who wants hot lunch versus Mom's packed lunch. And
I got to tell you that there are days when
I say my kids, whoever wants hot lunch will be
Mommy's favorite today because it is just so crazy in
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the morning. And I'm going to get a lot of
hate mail over that, but they know it's a joke.
But the more I learn about the food that we
consume in the industry's influence as a whole, it terrifies
me to think about what I am putting in my
kids bodies. I'm always trying to make sure that they
have fruit, that they have vegetables, and I sometimes do
look at what's going on in the school lunch and
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I'm like, I'm not sure that that's the best thing
for them. Childhood obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and so many
other conditions are at an all time high, and my
guest today believes it's because of one culprit our food.
Callie Means is the founder of Truemed and currently writing
his latest book on metabolic health and how we fix
the issues plaguing American life. Callie, thank you so much
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for being here with me today.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Thanks jud thanks for highlighting this issue.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know it's terrifying to me. And I got to
tell you that today, as you know, I'm not in
my studio. I'm actually helping my mom out today because
she had her hip or placed a couple weeks ago.
So I left the kids at home with my husband
and he is in charge of lunch this week, so
he's the guy that has to make the decision every
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morning as to what's going on. And the girls, they're funny.
We were shopping on Sunday night and one of my
daughters was like, I'm getting lunchables because I don't want
the stress in the morning of trying to figure it out.
And I wanted to talk about this because I noticed
that lunchables just got this like big. They potentially are
going into school cafeterias. And I got to tell you
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that I caved on the lunchables because I'm like, I
just want to make it easier on him. And now
I feel like you're going to tell me something really
horrible about lunchables, to just lay it on me. This
is just day one. I can fix this by the
end of the week.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I think, you know, we're getting into I think it's
so funny right that lunchables is now being approved as
school lunch. The CEO actually bragged at The Wall Street
Journal that upwards of fifteen billion dollars of money from
the government treasury through federally funded school lunches, which is
one of the largest sources of childhood nutrition, can go
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directly from again the federal treasury to lunchibles. And no,
I don't really have a message for you too, write
I think you're you know, obviously trying really hard. You know.
It actually just scares me that, you know, parents have
to defer at some point in time to our trusted
medical authorities, and the fact that our medical authorities have
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and the federal government has completely caved special interests, you know,
and as serving the majority of schools still have vending
machines with with hugely laden sugar laden drinks. That lunchibles
is now considered essentially a vegetable. Uh literally, that's their
definition of it, because they put like one little fruit
of vegetable in there, and as being federally subsidized. The
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fact that, as we've talked about before, the number one
item on food stamps, which is a which is a
program you know, lower income mothers depend on for childhood nutrition,
the number one item is soda. Just again and again,
are are our programs that that I think it's reasonable
to say if we're going to have these programs, you
know there there's there's competent people at the wheel. We're
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following the science, we're doing right by our kids, but
but they're being let down again and again and on
school lunches. You know, I I got to say again
early on, I actually think Michelle Obama was on the
right track. You know, she said, you know, our kids'
health is out of control. Food is really important, but
it's notable. She actually caved. She actually caved very quickly.
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You know, John Carey's family, you know, Obama's chief of
staff later on, owns right craft times and they actually
lobbied the above administration. This is not really even reported
that much, but actually John Carrey's own family was aggressively
lobbying on the Let's Move program. They said, we got
to get away from food and very quickly, Michelle Obama
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actually partnered with with Big Food and Walmart and only
stressed exercise and totally changed your message today. Right with
kids going back to school, you know you as a parent,
I have got a young young son. You know, I
think parents always worry about kids in every generation. But
I think we're aligned to ourselves if we don't say
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there's something unique happening right now with kids. You know,
forty eight percent of high schoolers qualify as having a
mental health disorder. Twenty five percent of young adults. I mean,
this is just staggering, but twenty five percent of youngs
in twenty twenty one contemplated suicide. Accord to the CDC.
Eighteen percent of teens have fatty liver disease, obviously the
obese overweight of nearly fifty percent of teens qualifying that category. So,
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you know, from a human capital perspective, right, just from
a spiritual perspective, I think something really wrong is happening
with how we're treating kids. And then these are you know,
these folks are going out of the economy. They're the
inputs of our country, right, the individual humans and we're
just we're just decimating them again when we're I.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Think as parents, we're confused though, because we I mean,
in my generation, we grew up in the generation of
you should be fat free. You know. We went from
I remember having snack wells and all of these things
that were filled with sugar and they were all fat free.
So we thought that was good. But there was this
conversation that started with parents that was like, you know,
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these mental health disorders about weight are so bad in
young women. You should never talk about weight at all
with young women. And now that translated into you know,
don't talk about health almost because I think a lot
of parents were like afraid to say to their kids,
you know, you still have to be healthy, because they
were so scared by the big media, by by the
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health industry, by magazines who were saying a girl's body
image is critical to her survival because if she has
a bad body image, then she is going to be suicidal.
But then instead we went to the opposite extreme of saying,
you know, we're going to embrace an unhealthy lifestyle and
we're going to put models on the front of magazines
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who really are health wise in danger. And we've seen
our schools. I mean, I've even commented on the kids
in school are gaining weight at a much more rapid
pace than they were when we were kids, And I
think as parents, we don't know what is how do
we how do we buy things at the grocery store
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that are going to be healthy for them and focus
on their health. And I know that sounds crazy because
it's like, well, why why don't you just feed your
kids fruits and vegetables and make the food at home
and everything's safe and you know what you're putting in there.
But you know you're in the grocery store. You see
the foods that are quick and easy, and kids want
those foods, and sometimes as a parent, it's just easy
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to do that. How do you talk to parents when
you don't have this happening in the media, when we're
not talking about the increase in obesity, because quite frankly,
I don't think we really know how to change this
right now. And we are also at this point where
what you said is true. We see massive mental health
issues with kids, especially young girls. We're seeing a much
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higher rate of suicide, and how how do we talk
about that without saying, well, it could be linked to
what they're putting in their bodies, because what you put
in your body has a lot to do with how
you feel.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Let's talk bottoms up, like what you're shining a light on,
and then you know, maybe we could talk. I think
there's definitely some culpability on the policy level, but I
think the bottoms up is really important. So this is
my message to parent and how I'm thinking about it,
and I think mindset's really important here. But it's as
a parent, don't shame yourself for the fact that you
know you cave, as all parents do, I think, on
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the lunchables or you know, you have this real pushback
from your kids, you know, on eating that sugar, on
eating that processed food, on gravitating that that's normal. What
we have in this country is a addiction crisis, and
I think we have to understand that we've normalized. Literally,
the USDA recommends that a two year old that ten
percent of their diet can be added sugar. The added
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sugar consumption among children has gone up one hundred times
and one hundred years literally, recommended by our health authorities
by the Nutritional Guidelines, which are totally co opted by
food companies, the scientists on the nutritional guidelines, ninety five
percent of them except personal bribes, personal constut payments from
food and or pharma companies. So as a parent, I'd say,
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we've got to change our mindset. Don't be hard on yourself,
but be realistic with yourself and your chut children. This
system has let them down, and we've loaded our foods
with highly addictive companies. You know, when we started regulating
the sugar excuse me, the tobacco companies in the nineteen eighties.
People don't realize this, but Philip Morris, RJ. Reynolds, they
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actually became the largest food companies. So in the nineteen nineties,
actually they were the largest food companies. They started buying
up Craft and all these other companies. So literally, when
tobacco companies got the hammer put down on them, they
literally brought their scientists to food. So when I say
our food is weaponized.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Big sugar pays politicians a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The two of the biggest spenders in Washington you see,
are big food. The number one is pharma, which benefits
from people being sick. So our food truly had that's
not hyperbolic, it truly has been weaponized, you know, the
perfect addictive chemicals, sugar seed oils, things like that. So
kids really are fighting with an addiction crisis. And I'm
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trying to, you know, talking to a lot of parents
just just just level with our kids. I mean, this
is just an example of how the systems let them down.
And I frankly think dealing with dopamine, understanding dopamine and
addiction drives so many behaviors of what we do, and
this is just I think a really important first example
and frankly just something kids need to learn how to
deal with. They've been toilet down, their food's addictive, so
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it's normal what their behavior is. But I think truly
we need to.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Put some of those sugar highs and lows then also
kind of mimic manic depressive. I mean, if you're high
and then you're low, your body feels out of sync
all the time. If this is happening in high school,
you have hormones raging through your body, You're going at
lunch and you're getting a sugary soda. By the end
of the day, you're mad at your friends, you feel
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like you've been abandoned. You know, if that high and
low is going on throughout the day at that critical
point in time, Does that have an impact on your
mental health and how you view what's actually happening during
the day at school.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean just growing earlier. Right when we see
kids just absolutely have like like younger children just have
absolute mental breakdowns when they're not given the food that
they want, usually containing sugar. I have real compassion for
both the parents and the kids because that kid is
truly in their brain. If you do a brain scan
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and a doctor looked at the brain scan on their
reward signaling, it's indistinguishable from any other drug. You know,
there's different ranges, but the dopamine receptors when that kid
is craving sugar alutely, they are absolutely exhibiting the same
behaviors as any other type of dependency of drugs. Which
is why every parent sees an absolute like there's the
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kids seeing red until they get that food.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But no one's talking about this. I mean, my pediatrician
has never said this to me. The pediatrician says, you know,
make sure they're eating a healthy diet. But there's no
one out there, and maybe I'm just I just sound
like I'm whining now. But we kids don't come with
a handbook. You know, we end up in the situation
where you've got one screaming, you've got another one that
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is running around the house, and you're like, I'm gonna
give them what they want because things are out of control.
At what point, how do you find this information as
a parent, like I might actually be causing the issues
by what I'm putting into their systems sort of in
a way, unknowingly causing this crash and this high and
this crash.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So ninety percent of med schools don't require one nutrition class.
The nutrition science research has been totally co opted by
big food. Big food processed food companies spend eleven times
more nutritional research funding nutritional research to the NIH. When
I started calling out this, you know, rigged food company
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is funded by Tough Nutrition School, which is the top
nutrition school. And then IH for saying Lucky Charms is
healthier than beef, I got a call from the president
of that school saying, why are you attacking me? On
Fox News on with Jesse Waters and why it's Joe
Rogan tweeting about this. He's like this, this is hurting
our science. And I said, is your school funded by
big food. He's like, yeah, we wouldn't be able to
exist but without food donations. But those don't but those
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don't impact our findings are eighty percent of our budget.
Is basically, I'm like, you know, I don't know what
to tell you, but but the thing i'd say to
parents from the bottom up, and then hopefully where there's
some hope. I think there's some outrage but also some
hope is that humans are the only animals that are
systematically obese, that are seeing like epidemic rates of diabetes,
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of I deliver disease. Humans and animals we've domesticated. So
actually it's very instructive to me. You look at a dog, right,
and we've given our dogs our same habits. We feed
them gross, highly processed food, We keep them indoors with
limited sun, lack of movement, right, what we're doing to teenagers. Basically,
dogs have a fifty percent cancer rate. Fifty percent of
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dogs get cancer. A wolf in the wild or wild
animals have a one percent cancer rate. So dogs also
have over a fifty percent depression rate, and and and
you don't have a lot of chronically depressed drafts or
zebras in the wild, right, you actually only have you know,
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seventy percent of deaths plus and the United States are
tied to preventable food worn issues, right, diabetes, heart disease,
knney disease, things like that. That that that's those are
very low rates in the wild. So actually, every animal
except us has the ability of the innate ability to
know what we want to eat, to regulate that. And
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the only difference we have its humans is the experts,
experts telling us that you know, lucky charms are healthy
than beef. Experts, you're pediatricians systematically, right, not raising the
alarm bell on sugar. And I just say, just to
tie a couple of points together, tutor, you know working
for these companies in the past. Uh, the you know
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health eating disorders, it's a huge issue. I mean, it's
one of the you know, top causes of death for
any mental health disorder. It's it's it's not something to
take lightly. But the food industry absolutely systematically and I
saw it weaponizes fear about that issue to shut down
debate right now. Actually, it came out that big food
companies are funding millions of dollars to body inclusive TikTok
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influencers who are saying, yeah, so actually there was a
there was a big millions and millions of views that
this big campaign to say that the only food we
should stigmatize is food with mold on it, That a
don it's fine unless it has mold on it, That
it's actually racist to stigmatize any type of food because
people of color communities have are disproportionately overweight. And that
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video was actually done in conjunction. You can't even make
this up with the La Unified School District, which is
the largest school district in the country, and they actually
shared a video that was funded by Nestli. You literally
can't make this up of people saying that you should
not stigmatize food in that point about the donut. That's
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how you know systematic. This is Neslie's literally funding these
body inclusive videos kind of weaponizing this idea about fat shaming,
this idea about you know, the anything on anything I
tweet on Twitter. Right, there's a bunch of trolls saying, well, well, Anna, right,
you're going to make people at Arexica.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's like, yes, but that's exactly what I'm saying. That
was what our generation growing up. That's what we were
told and it was really I mean that actually happened
in health class. We were told as kids like, don't
ever talk about anybody's weight, and then our parents were also.
This was a big push and that did come out
in the media, and I think that both sides, and
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when you look at it from a political standpoint, I
think both sides right now are saying, oh, you know,
I don't want to get into it because I don't
want government telling me telling people what to do, and
my side doesn't want government telling them what to do,
and the other side doesn't want government telling them what
to do. But what we don't know is that government
is controlling what we do behind the scenes by not
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talking about it. You've kind of praised RFK Junior for
coming out and talking about this, and I think that, honestly,
the refreshing truths from him talking about food dies and
all these things, and food dies, actually food dies is
one of the things that scares me the most because
we've seen kids with ticks, we've seen things that if
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you take away the food die, their behavior completely changes.
And this is something that only the United States has.
We do not have it in other countries, and our
RFK has been incredibly vocal about the differences between our
food supply and European food supply and what we allow
in our food, and he's gotten a lot of pushback
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from the at least the financial powers that be, like,
you know what, dude, shut up, you can't talk about this,
and you say more politicians should talk about it. I
think that, you know, having gone through a race myself,
you get all these people that are like, don't say that,
you're going to make this person mad and this person
mad and you are. Politics is a weird place where
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you are controlled or they try to control you by
what you have. But what what the people with money say?
So what do you say politicians should be saying about
our food supply right now? And how can they be
open and honest with the American people and fight for
them on this?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah? I worked in politics early in my career, and
it definitely seems like there's this consultant driven kind of
range of things you can talk about. And I think
what President Trump and Frankly RFK have shown is that
you can bust through that, and I think there's huge
lessons to learn from our I mean, you look at
he's the most popular politician in the country right now
among independence and actually among women, particularly mothers. If you
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take that women with kids out, it's the most by
far the most popular politician of America because I think
there is this real anxiety that people haven't fully voiced
and have it put their finger on about what's happening
to the health of kids and the mental health of kids.
And I think what RFK is really doing is he's
really tying the systemic incentives there. And just to take
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it to your point about high schoolers and whether these
mental health crisis we're seeing is related to food. Obviously
mental health is multifactorial. But I think what he's explaining
really well is right, we're seeing unprecedented things and then
we're kind of like throwing up our hands. We're being like, oh,
it's complicated. It's this. It's like if you take any animal, right,
any animal that there is, and put them in a
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relatively sedentary environment and put them, you know, with lack
of sun and feed you know, eighty percent of their
diet a highly processed basically frank in food, which is
you know, what we're feeding teenagers, you know, and you
look at any you know, teenager they're they're chugging their
their Starbucks with with sixty grams of sugar. They're they're
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they're literally addicted to highly processed food. If you do
that to any animal, they're gonna literally go crazy. You know,
our brain produced, you know, is two percent of the
weight of our body, produces twenty five percent of their energy.
It literally runs on what we're eating. I mean, these
are all basic points, right, and honestly points years ago
working for the food cosa sound like hippie points, but
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like it's just we've almost been gaslighted to not even
like realize like the one of the most important things
with the human capital for the functioning of our body,
for the functioning of our brain is like whether we're moving,
whether we're sleeping, whether we're like feeding our body with
the right fuel. And that's just been like totally taken
off the table through really like through really bad incentives.
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And as as our f case pointed out, like during COVID,
why the hell wasn't doctor Fauci on a microphone using
that as a moment to talk about the fact that
if you were metabolically healthy, if you had a stable weight,
if you exercise, if you didn't eat processed food, you
had essentially a zero percent chance of dying of COVID.
Even if you go up into the age brackets of
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the highly very very old folks, almost all of them
had metabolic dysfunction of some kind. If you were metabolically healthy,
you didn't die of COVID. But instead, what do we do?
We pushed almost primarily, almost exclusively, a pharmaceutical solution. Did
not talk and use this as as an opportunity to
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really attack the root cause not just of COVID deaths,
but eight of the ten largest killers of Americans, which
are highly tied to food. So the fact that this
is even like the fact that this is even like
surprising or like like even a discussion that that the
fact that we're filling our bodies with toxic crap and
that's impacting health and mental health, I think shows how
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much the systems won. And I think RFK bashing through that,
and again I think it's analogous to Trump kind of
killing the sacred cows. I think that's really resonating with folks,
And because it's resonating so strong with independence and women,
I think it's something every politician should be taking note on.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I want to go to something
that you talked about healthcare or I guess what we
should call it sick care, and you talked about the
pharmaceutical companies. We just recently had the FDA come out
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and say that all of these decongestions actually don't work.
We have a huge problem right now where people are
very leery of the CDC, they're questioning the FDA. I mean,
I'm impressed that the FDA came out and said this
at this time when we have a lot of people
who are saying, who do we trust? But they did.
They came out and they said, this stuff that's been
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on the market for decades and people have been taking
for decades, it's really not doing anything. But what it's
not doing what it's supposed to be doing. I should say,
what is it doing? If we're taking a drug that
isn't doing what we think it's going to do, how
could they have allowed us to put this in our
system for all these years?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Well, I mean, I think it's much worse than that.
I mean, I think it represents actually you know, and
I think it's great. The FDA spoke about it. This
one thing. Seventy five percent of the funding of the
FDA comes from drug companies. The the institution is designed
incentivized to grow the drug industry. Instead of an adversarial force,
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there a clubby force. As we know, Trump's FDA director
immediately went to be on the board of Pfizer and
it is one of the biggest apologists. You know, for
the pharmaceutical industry. You have a revolving door entirely the
FDA panels that approve drugs. There's not conflict of interest,
and they're often paid by the drug makers they're actually approving.
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The FDA is completely that with the pharma and I
think what you what's represented. Thankfully they called out that drug.
But we have totally lost our way and even this
assumption that we're making that diseases are in silos, right,
we have over ten thousand, you know, major drugs. You know,
my sister of medical school, you graduate, you choose one
of forty two specialties eighty two sub specialties against thousands
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of drugs. So the siloing of disease has been a
total failure. You know, heart disease isn't a stat deficiency.
Diabetes isn't a met form in deficiency. OBEs isn't an
ozmbic deficiency. Right. But but the average American at fifty
years old is on six different drugs. You know, they're
they're on a high cholesterol medication, is STAD and met
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form and all those things are the same like like,
and they're nevitably going to have you know, chess, you
know issues, chronic you know, sinus infections, all these things.
So the medical system gives you a drug for all
they're the same thing. They're fundamentally rooted in inflammation, are
fundamentally rooted in metabolic dysfunction. And and and that's the campaign.
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That's what our books about. That that that is I
think what a number of leaders, what RFK frankly is saying,
is the true paradigm shift we need to have in health.
It is a total lie that that we have these
siloed issues and and that six drugs are going to
help you if you if you literally, as a medical system,
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as a public policy question asked, how can we make
that person healthier? How can we reduce everything down? Right?
If that person's on Medicaid? Right, a diabetic person on medicaid.
You know, in their thirties, we're paying millions of dollars
or drugs and treatments over their lives. We could actually
work with that person which with much less money, to
actually incentivize them to exercise, to give them better food.
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It actually save the government a lot of money and
actually reduce the root cause of everything. So so that
that's where I think the fact that we even see
things in silos is I think a huge problem.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So this was not a discussion in the debate. I mean,
public health was not discussion in the latest Republican debate
on the president of the presidential candidates. What is your
what was your thoughts on What were your thoughts on
how the debate went, and what would you like to
see the questions be in the next debate, because I
think that that's something as we look at what we've
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talked about today, obesity, public health, these are real problems
facing America. They outrageous cost of health insurance, the outrageous
cost of these drugs, the fact that we don't talk
about a healthy lifestyle. These things were not covered at
the debate. How do you want to see that covered
at the next debate? What kinds of questions do you
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want to see asked, why do you think that the candidates,
how do you think the candidates will react to that?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean watching the debate quite frankly, it felt
like there's a you know, massive fire, you know, Rome
is burning and we're just talking trivia. I mean literally,
the healthcare is the largest, as we know, the largest
insuct in the country. It's twenty percent of GDP at
two times the rate. It's going to bankrupt our country. Right,
we spend more on diabetes management than the all of
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defense and intelligence, and that it's growing at a much
faster rate. It's going to bankrupt our country. And it's
not hyperbolic to say that our precious human capital is
being destroyed at a much higher rate than most other
developed countries. When you look at rates of OBESI eighty
percent of adults or a be sort of a weight,
I mean, that's that's literally our body physically telling us
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that something wrong is happening with ourselves. So what I
would like, you know, is to is to really address
this unifying issue again that our CA is tapping into.
President Trump has made some very strong statements on it,
but but we have a problem where we're where we're
really actually again it's it's it's not a free market.
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We actually have a total crony capitalist takeover of farm
and food, the two largest funders of DC that are
making our population sick, profiting those industries, but going to
bankrupt our country and destroy our human capital. So I'd
like to see questions about that, and and I think
for particularly with the presidential debate now, I hope and
pray that these candidates can understand this issue better because
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there's a ton of executive action that can be taken
day one. And just just to just to list a couple,
I think we talked about this before, that fifty five
percent of media funding comes from pharma. This is hard
to get your head around. The majority of mainstream media
funding is pharma, which of course is why the mainstream
media is a mouthpiece for the pharmaceutical industry literally tries
(28:27):
to destroy anyone who questions or asks, you know, why
we should be injecting our kids with seventy shots. But
but but but but but that's their life. But that's
their funding. It's and it's also why I think the
media is completely not curious about why everyone's getting sicker
or fat or more depressed, more and fertile. So day one,
the President can issue in executive order the FDA to
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say no more pharma ads on TV, which actually has
the benefit of taking out the main funding. Yeah, that's
that's the standard in every other country in the world,
and that would actually be the morally right thing to
do and take away the lifeblood of mainstream media advertising.
So that would be an easy day one executive order.
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We've talked about food stamps. Obviously, we're the only country
in the world which provides our lower income nutrition substance
to sugar water. It's the number one item, soota that
could be changed. Day one should immediately get the crotny
cronies at the USDA, get actual doctors who are not
paid by food companies, and reverse the criminal recommendation that
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two year old should be eating ten percent their diet
as added sugar. You know when parents, you know, are
at a birthday party right with three year olds and
they're all eating sugar, they're actually those parents are actually
following government recommendations to be given their kids sugar. We
need to stop that immediately. RFK. This is a hot topic,
but he's pointed on this. Vaccines recommended or really mandated
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vaccines has risen from twenty to seventy for a six
year old by the time, and that's just been in the
past twenty years now. Number of those might be good,
and I don't want to get into that debate, and
and and and you know, they could they could very
well be great, But it is true and RF case
point this out. Mark and Glaxo Smith Klein, the two
(30:15):
largest vaccine makers, literally are the two largest criminal enterprises
in the country. They've paid in the past five years
the largest criminal penalties of any company in America billions
of dollars for directly bribing doctors and falsifying data. So
you have companies that are literally criminal enterprises, right that
(30:38):
are making tens of billions of dollars off uh these
mandated drugs with full support from the government and media.
Who's destroying anyone who's asking a question? You know again,
I think many of these might be great. But the
fact that we can't ask a question about that about
shots that, by their own, by their own advertising on them,
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are changing a child's immune system for the rest of
our lives. That just represents I think how we've totally
lost our way, and we really have a government media
cooperation to prevent questioning of literal criminal enterprises who are
pushing drugs on us. The other thing that I just
think should be done immediately and that candidates should be
(31:21):
talking about, and this you can't even wrap your head around,
but the NIH, which really is the lifeblood of research,
is at R and D outsourcing for pharmaceutical companies. Ninety
one percent of the NIH budget is grants that are
generally going to pharmaceutical research. And there are eight thousand
NIH researchers who have conflicts of interest paid for by
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drug companies on the exact subject they're talking. The NIH
actually has recently affirmed that they do not have a
conflict of interest policy. It's voluntary, and it's rife with
conflicts of interest, which is which is getting you to
where we are today, where everything is about a drug
for something we're already sick, for sick care, instead of
actually researching why we're getting sick.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's all very interesting. I mean, I think if you
really break down what's happening today, there has been real
pushback on anybody talking about what we put in food.
I mean, I remember mayor Bloomberg banning the big gulp,
and you know, we all went, how can you possibly
do that? And I think that's the wrong approach. You
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can't try to just shoot little things down and see
if you can actually have an impact. I don't think
that that's right, But I do think that in the
midst of a world where we see a daily conversation
on climate and a daily attack on big oil and
increased prices on everything, including food, and that attack on
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big oil affects our food supply from farms and our
natural food supply significantly. When we see that that is
acceptable and that people can attack big industries like that,
somehow big food and big pharma are left alone in
that conversation is something that we can't have. And you
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have other countries that are saying, you know what we're
going to for the health of our nation and the
protection of our nation, and really that is truly what
it is. And it's hard to have that conversation because
we are we love freedom, we love to be able
to do whatever we want, but they have taken a
stance for the health of our people. We are going
to say, you can't put these kinds of toxic dyes
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into our food. You can't have this kind of unlimited
sugar in our children's diets, and other countries have thrived
much more so than the United States from a health standpoint,
and it just seems like we are still at the
point where somehow, I'm guessing it's money in politics, and
like you're talking about money and media, because politicians need
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the media. They're not going to go against the media.
It's a kind of a broken system. And maybe it
does take some more people like in ourk coming out
and speaking out. And I do believe what you're saying about.
If some of these other candidates came out and started
having this conversation, there would be a lot of support.
And in the end, shouldn't it be the people's vote
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that is what you are trying to earn, not the
pocketbooks of big pharma and not getting into the earnings
of big sugar, not getting into the earnings of big food.
That you should be trying to win over the hearts
and minds of people and make it the best country
we can possibly have. And I think that conversations like
these are important so that when people hear this, they go, well,
(34:36):
wait a minute, I'm going to start asking those questions
when we have these town halls, when we see these
presidential candidates go out and say I want to talk
to the people when they go to diners and just
take whatever question it is. Start asking, how do you
feel about what the toxic chemicals, the toxic products that
we're putting in our bodies, whether it is pharma, whether
it is food, how do you feel about that? And
(34:58):
what are you going to do to protect our youth,
but to protect all ages, because when you talk about
fatty livers and liver transplants and all of these things
that we're seeing that, like we said, it used to
be only older alcoholics that we were seeing these issues,
and now we're seeing these issues and kids. You were
telling me about pediatric liver transplant places where people can
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go and actually we're really starting up these clinics. I
mean that is shocking to me. And I just appreciate
having you on today because I think it's so key
that we help people to think about this in a
different way and say, you know what, we don't have
to stand for this. We don't necessarily even know what
we're getting, but somebody needs to stand up and say
we want the American people to know what they're getting,
(35:39):
and we want them to know that it's safe. So
thank you so much for coming on and talking about
this today.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Thank you so much, Tutor. I mean just that was
profound what you just said. And I just say, this
is the policy. This has to happen. It's so important
to help our kids. I think the politics are changing.
I think moms. I think parents are really waking up
these This is really resonating, I think among conservatives. And
then to the last point, I just say, as a conservative,
(36:05):
I used to think this was nanny state saying that
we need to look into food. What's happening right now
is the reverse of that. It is not conservative, that
crony capitalism is happening where the food companies are lobbying
to rig food stamps to serve our kids sugar. And
then people are called nanny state people for questioning that.
It's a total perversion of the system. Our system is
(36:28):
rigged right now. It is completely a rigged and our
kids are being poisoned by design and calling that out
and getting to an actual free market where right now
we subsidized, literally with federal substance cigarettes tobacco more than fruits,
and vegetables. That's literally true. So we have a rigged market.
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All I'm asking is that we get to a free market.
We should not be taxing, we should not be banning.
Coke should be legal, but it should not be subsident
with tens of billions of dollars of government money to
feed the kids. That's the key point here, and I
think conservatives need to need to fully understand that I've
been wrong on in the past. This is a huge
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conservative issue to take on the crony capitalism, then food
and pharma. We are subsidizing our kids destruction and bad health,
which pharma and healthcare industry is standing silent on because
they profit from people being sick. That's fundamentally what's happening.
And I think it's the conservative issue of our time
to understand those incentives and call that out and get
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back to what I would call free market.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. I feel like I'm feeding my
kids something healthy, and I'm still struggling with weight, with behavior,
with all of these things. I mean, so many of
my friends, like I said, they took out food dies
from their child's diet and their behavior was shockingly different.
(37:56):
And if you think that this is not a dirty cabal,
it is. These lobbyists get paid to put this food
in your child's school, to put this food in your
child's lunch box. This is not something that is happening
by chance. You don't see this on the end of
shelves because it's just like, oh wow, look, that'll be easy.
It's because they're paying to be there. They're paying to
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be in front of your face and get into your
child's mouth and get into your child's lunchbox and all
of these places. They are trying to get this food
into your child's body because it's beneficial to them financially.
I mean, as scary as that is, these people are
paying for this because getting into your child's lunch box
and affecting your child's health is a huge industry. But
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it's not just your kid, it's you. It's your parents.
When you are dealing with the sickness of your elderly
parents and all of these cancers that we're facing. That
is a manipulation behind the scenes of lobbyists in many cases,
I mean obviously not in all cases, but I agree
with you. I mean We could probably talk about this
for hours, and I'm so grateful we'll have you back.
(39:05):
I mean, we've had you on before. There's a lot
to talk about here, just a lot of education to
put parents, to put out there for parents, and I
would like to start breaking down how different things affect kids'
behaviors because that food dye situation, We've really found that
a lot of people that think that their kids are
suffering with being on the spectrum or add a lot
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of these behaviors. If you take that food diet out
of their diet, suddenly you have a totally different child.
And that alone should convince you what CALLI means is
saying here about we need to be involved, we need
to be loud about these issues. It's really true because
it can impact your child's life for the rest of
their life. So thank you, CALLI, thank you so much
(39:49):
for being here today. Thank you all for listening to
us go on and on about this topic. But you
know it's important to me as a mom. I know
it's important to you as parents, as people who are
caring for elderly parents as well. Thank you for joining
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Back to school session
is in full swing, which means now I, along with
so many other parents, are faced with the morning rush
question who wants hot lunch versus Mom's packed lunch. And
I got to tell you that there are days when
I say my kids, whoever wants hot lunch will be
Mommy's favorite today because it is just so crazy in
(00:32):
the morning. And I'm going to get a lot of
hate mail over that, but they know it's a joke.
But the more I learn about the food that we
consume in the industry's influence as a whole, it terrifies
me to think about what I am putting in my
kids bodies. I'm always trying to make sure that they
have fruit, that they have vegetables, and I sometimes do
look at what's going on in the school lunch and
(00:52):
I'm like, I'm not sure that that's the best thing
for them. Childhood obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and so many
other conditions are at an all time high, and my
guest today believes it's because of one culprit our food.
Callie Means is the founder of Truemed and currently writing
his latest book on metabolic health and how we fix
the issues plaguing American life. Callie, thank you so much
(01:15):
for being here with me today.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Thanks jud thanks for highlighting this issue.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know it's terrifying to me. And I got to
tell you that today, as you know, I'm not in
my studio. I'm actually helping my mom out today because
she had her hip or placed a couple weeks ago.
So I left the kids at home with my husband
and he is in charge of lunch this week, so
he's the guy that has to make the decision every
(01:38):
morning as to what's going on. And the girls, they're funny.
We were shopping on Sunday night and one of my
daughters was like, I'm getting lunchables because I don't want
the stress in the morning of trying to figure it out.
And I wanted to talk about this because I noticed
that lunchables just got this like big. They potentially are
going into school cafeterias. And I got to tell you
(01:59):
that I caved on the lunchables because I'm like, I
just want to make it easier on him. And now
I feel like you're going to tell me something really
horrible about lunchables, to just lay it on me. This
is just day one. I can fix this by the
end of the week.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I think, you know, we're getting into I think it's
so funny right that lunchables is now being approved as
school lunch. The CEO actually bragged at The Wall Street
Journal that upwards of fifteen billion dollars of money from
the government treasury through federally funded school lunches, which is
one of the largest sources of childhood nutrition, can go
(02:34):
directly from again the federal treasury to lunchibles. And no,
I don't really have a message for you too, write
I think you're you know, obviously trying really hard. You know.
It actually just scares me that, you know, parents have
to defer at some point in time to our trusted
medical authorities, and the fact that our medical authorities have
(02:57):
and the federal government has completely caved special interests, you know,
and as serving the majority of schools still have vending
machines with with hugely laden sugar laden drinks. That lunchibles
is now considered essentially a vegetable. Uh literally, that's their
definition of it, because they put like one little fruit
of vegetable in there, and as being federally subsidized. The
(03:20):
fact that, as we've talked about before, the number one
item on food stamps, which is a which is a
program you know, lower income mothers depend on for childhood nutrition,
the number one item is soda. Just again and again,
are are our programs that that I think it's reasonable
to say if we're going to have these programs, you
know there there's there's competent people at the wheel. We're
(03:43):
following the science, we're doing right by our kids, but
but they're being let down again and again and on
school lunches. You know, I I got to say again
early on, I actually think Michelle Obama was on the
right track. You know, she said, you know, our kids'
health is out of control. Food is really important, but
it's notable. She actually caved. She actually caved very quickly.
(04:06):
You know, John Carey's family, you know, Obama's chief of
staff later on, owns right craft times and they actually
lobbied the above administration. This is not really even reported
that much, but actually John Carrey's own family was aggressively
lobbying on the Let's Move program. They said, we got
to get away from food and very quickly, Michelle Obama
(04:29):
actually partnered with with Big Food and Walmart and only
stressed exercise and totally changed your message today. Right with
kids going back to school, you know you as a parent,
I have got a young young son. You know, I
think parents always worry about kids in every generation. But
I think we're aligned to ourselves if we don't say
(04:50):
there's something unique happening right now with kids. You know,
forty eight percent of high schoolers qualify as having a
mental health disorder. Twenty five percent of young adults. I mean,
this is just staggering, but twenty five percent of youngs
in twenty twenty one contemplated suicide. Accord to the CDC.
Eighteen percent of teens have fatty liver disease, obviously the
obese overweight of nearly fifty percent of teens qualifying that category. So,
(05:14):
you know, from a human capital perspective, right, just from
a spiritual perspective, I think something really wrong is happening
with how we're treating kids. And then these are you know,
these folks are going out of the economy. They're the
inputs of our country, right, the individual humans and we're
just we're just decimating them again when we're I.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Think as parents, we're confused though, because we I mean,
in my generation, we grew up in the generation of
you should be fat free. You know. We went from
I remember having snack wells and all of these things
that were filled with sugar and they were all fat free.
So we thought that was good. But there was this
conversation that started with parents that was like, you know,
(05:55):
these mental health disorders about weight are so bad in
young women. You should never talk about weight at all
with young women. And now that translated into you know,
don't talk about health almost because I think a lot
of parents were like afraid to say to their kids,
you know, you still have to be healthy, because they
were so scared by the big media, by by the
(06:18):
health industry, by magazines who were saying a girl's body
image is critical to her survival because if she has
a bad body image, then she is going to be suicidal.
But then instead we went to the opposite extreme of saying,
you know, we're going to embrace an unhealthy lifestyle and
we're going to put models on the front of magazines
(06:39):
who really are health wise in danger. And we've seen
our schools. I mean, I've even commented on the kids
in school are gaining weight at a much more rapid
pace than they were when we were kids, And I
think as parents, we don't know what is how do
we how do we buy things at the grocery store
(06:59):
that are going to be healthy for them and focus
on their health. And I know that sounds crazy because
it's like, well, why why don't you just feed your
kids fruits and vegetables and make the food at home
and everything's safe and you know what you're putting in there.
But you know you're in the grocery store. You see
the foods that are quick and easy, and kids want
those foods, and sometimes as a parent, it's just easy
(07:20):
to do that. How do you talk to parents when
you don't have this happening in the media, when we're
not talking about the increase in obesity, because quite frankly,
I don't think we really know how to change this
right now. And we are also at this point where
what you said is true. We see massive mental health
issues with kids, especially young girls. We're seeing a much
(07:43):
higher rate of suicide, and how how do we talk
about that without saying, well, it could be linked to
what they're putting in their bodies, because what you put
in your body has a lot to do with how
you feel.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Let's talk bottoms up, like what you're shining a light on,
and then you know, maybe we could talk. I think
there's definitely some culpability on the policy level, but I
think the bottoms up is really important. So this is
my message to parent and how I'm thinking about it,
and I think mindset's really important here. But it's as
a parent, don't shame yourself for the fact that you
know you cave, as all parents do, I think, on
(08:18):
the lunchables or you know, you have this real pushback
from your kids, you know, on eating that sugar, on
eating that processed food, on gravitating that that's normal. What
we have in this country is a addiction crisis, and
I think we have to understand that we've normalized. Literally,
the USDA recommends that a two year old that ten
percent of their diet can be added sugar. The added
(08:41):
sugar consumption among children has gone up one hundred times
and one hundred years literally, recommended by our health authorities
by the Nutritional Guidelines, which are totally co opted by
food companies, the scientists on the nutritional guidelines, ninety five
percent of them except personal bribes, personal constut payments from
food and or pharma companies. So as a parent, I'd say,
(09:06):
we've got to change our mindset. Don't be hard on yourself,
but be realistic with yourself and your chut children. This
system has let them down, and we've loaded our foods
with highly addictive companies. You know, when we started regulating
the sugar excuse me, the tobacco companies in the nineteen eighties.
People don't realize this, but Philip Morris, RJ. Reynolds, they
(09:26):
actually became the largest food companies. So in the nineteen nineties,
actually they were the largest food companies. They started buying
up Craft and all these other companies. So literally, when
tobacco companies got the hammer put down on them, they
literally brought their scientists to food. So when I say
our food is weaponized.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Big sugar pays politicians a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The two of the biggest spenders in Washington you see,
are big food. The number one is pharma, which benefits
from people being sick. So our food truly had that's
not hyperbolic, it truly has been weaponized, you know, the
perfect addictive chemicals, sugar seed oils, things like that. So
kids really are fighting with an addiction crisis. And I'm
(10:10):
trying to, you know, talking to a lot of parents
just just just level with our kids. I mean, this
is just an example of how the systems let them down.
And I frankly think dealing with dopamine, understanding dopamine and
addiction drives so many behaviors of what we do, and
this is just I think a really important first example
and frankly just something kids need to learn how to
deal with. They've been toilet down, their food's addictive, so
(10:33):
it's normal what their behavior is. But I think truly
we need to.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Put some of those sugar highs and lows then also
kind of mimic manic depressive. I mean, if you're high
and then you're low, your body feels out of sync
all the time. If this is happening in high school,
you have hormones raging through your body, You're going at
lunch and you're getting a sugary soda. By the end
of the day, you're mad at your friends, you feel
(11:00):
like you've been abandoned. You know, if that high and
low is going on throughout the day at that critical
point in time, Does that have an impact on your
mental health and how you view what's actually happening during
the day at school.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean just growing earlier. Right when we see
kids just absolutely have like like younger children just have
absolute mental breakdowns when they're not given the food that
they want, usually containing sugar. I have real compassion for
both the parents and the kids because that kid is
truly in their brain. If you do a brain scan
(11:33):
and a doctor looked at the brain scan on their
reward signaling, it's indistinguishable from any other drug. You know,
there's different ranges, but the dopamine receptors when that kid
is craving sugar alutely, they are absolutely exhibiting the same
behaviors as any other type of dependency of drugs. Which
is why every parent sees an absolute like there's the
(11:57):
kids seeing red until they get that food.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But no one's talking about this. I mean, my pediatrician
has never said this to me. The pediatrician says, you know,
make sure they're eating a healthy diet. But there's no
one out there, and maybe I'm just I just sound
like I'm whining now. But we kids don't come with
a handbook. You know, we end up in the situation
where you've got one screaming, you've got another one that
(12:19):
is running around the house, and you're like, I'm gonna
give them what they want because things are out of control.
At what point, how do you find this information as
a parent, like I might actually be causing the issues
by what I'm putting into their systems sort of in
a way, unknowingly causing this crash and this high and
this crash.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So ninety percent of med schools don't require one nutrition class.
The nutrition science research has been totally co opted by
big food. Big food processed food companies spend eleven times
more nutritional research funding nutritional research to the NIH. When
I started calling out this, you know, rigged food company
(13:00):
is funded by Tough Nutrition School, which is the top
nutrition school. And then IH for saying Lucky Charms is
healthier than beef, I got a call from the president
of that school saying, why are you attacking me? On
Fox News on with Jesse Waters and why it's Joe
Rogan tweeting about this. He's like this, this is hurting
our science. And I said, is your school funded by
big food. He's like, yeah, we wouldn't be able to
exist but without food donations. But those don't but those
(13:22):
don't impact our findings are eighty percent of our budget.
Is basically, I'm like, you know, I don't know what
to tell you, but but the thing i'd say to
parents from the bottom up, and then hopefully where there's
some hope. I think there's some outrage but also some
hope is that humans are the only animals that are
systematically obese, that are seeing like epidemic rates of diabetes,
(13:46):
of I deliver disease. Humans and animals we've domesticated. So
actually it's very instructive to me. You look at a dog, right,
and we've given our dogs our same habits. We feed
them gross, highly processed food, We keep them indoors with
limited sun, lack of movement, right, what we're doing to teenagers. Basically,
dogs have a fifty percent cancer rate. Fifty percent of
(14:08):
dogs get cancer. A wolf in the wild or wild
animals have a one percent cancer rate. So dogs also
have over a fifty percent depression rate, and and and
you don't have a lot of chronically depressed drafts or
zebras in the wild, right, you actually only have you know,
(14:29):
seventy percent of deaths plus and the United States are
tied to preventable food worn issues, right, diabetes, heart disease,
knney disease, things like that. That that that's those are
very low rates in the wild. So actually, every animal
except us has the ability of the innate ability to
know what we want to eat, to regulate that. And
(14:52):
the only difference we have its humans is the experts,
experts telling us that you know, lucky charms are healthy
than beef. Experts, you're pediatricians systematically, right, not raising the
alarm bell on sugar. And I just say, just to
tie a couple of points together, tutor, you know working
for these companies in the past. Uh, the you know
(15:16):
health eating disorders, it's a huge issue. I mean, it's
one of the you know, top causes of death for
any mental health disorder. It's it's it's not something to
take lightly. But the food industry absolutely systematically and I
saw it weaponizes fear about that issue to shut down
debate right now. Actually, it came out that big food
companies are funding millions of dollars to body inclusive TikTok
(15:38):
influencers who are saying, yeah, so actually there was a
there was a big millions and millions of views that
this big campaign to say that the only food we
should stigmatize is food with mold on it, That a
don it's fine unless it has mold on it, That
it's actually racist to stigmatize any type of food because
people of color communities have are disproportionately overweight. And that
(16:04):
video was actually done in conjunction. You can't even make
this up with the La Unified School District, which is
the largest school district in the country, and they actually
shared a video that was funded by Nestli. You literally
can't make this up of people saying that you should
not stigmatize food in that point about the donut. That's
(16:25):
how you know systematic. This is Neslie's literally funding these
body inclusive videos kind of weaponizing this idea about fat shaming,
this idea about you know, the anything on anything I
tweet on Twitter. Right, there's a bunch of trolls saying, well, well, Anna, right,
you're going to make people at Arexica.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's like, yes, but that's exactly what I'm saying. That
was what our generation growing up. That's what we were
told and it was really I mean that actually happened
in health class. We were told as kids like, don't
ever talk about anybody's weight, and then our parents were also.
This was a big push and that did come out
in the media, and I think that both sides, and
(17:03):
when you look at it from a political standpoint, I
think both sides right now are saying, oh, you know,
I don't want to get into it because I don't
want government telling me telling people what to do, and
my side doesn't want government telling them what to do,
and the other side doesn't want government telling them what
to do. But what we don't know is that government
is controlling what we do behind the scenes by not
(17:23):
talking about it. You've kind of praised RFK Junior for
coming out and talking about this, and I think that, honestly,
the refreshing truths from him talking about food dies and
all these things, and food dies, actually food dies is
one of the things that scares me the most because
we've seen kids with ticks, we've seen things that if
(17:46):
you take away the food die, their behavior completely changes.
And this is something that only the United States has.
We do not have it in other countries, and our
RFK has been incredibly vocal about the differences between our
food supply and European food supply and what we allow
in our food, and he's gotten a lot of pushback
(18:08):
from the at least the financial powers that be, like,
you know what, dude, shut up, you can't talk about this,
and you say more politicians should talk about it. I
think that, you know, having gone through a race myself,
you get all these people that are like, don't say that,
you're going to make this person mad and this person
mad and you are. Politics is a weird place where
(18:29):
you are controlled or they try to control you by
what you have. But what what the people with money say?
So what do you say politicians should be saying about
our food supply right now? And how can they be
open and honest with the American people and fight for
them on this?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah? I worked in politics early in my career, and
it definitely seems like there's this consultant driven kind of
range of things you can talk about. And I think
what President Trump and Frankly RFK have shown is that
you can bust through that, and I think there's huge
lessons to learn from our I mean, you look at
he's the most popular politician in the country right now
among independence and actually among women, particularly mothers. If you
(19:08):
take that women with kids out, it's the most by
far the most popular politician of America because I think
there is this real anxiety that people haven't fully voiced
and have it put their finger on about what's happening
to the health of kids and the mental health of kids.
And I think what RFK is really doing is he's
really tying the systemic incentives there. And just to take
(19:29):
it to your point about high schoolers and whether these
mental health crisis we're seeing is related to food. Obviously
mental health is multifactorial. But I think what he's explaining
really well is right, we're seeing unprecedented things and then
we're kind of like throwing up our hands. We're being like, oh,
it's complicated. It's this. It's like if you take any animal, right,
any animal that there is, and put them in a
(19:50):
relatively sedentary environment and put them, you know, with lack
of sun and feed you know, eighty percent of their
diet a highly processed basically frank in food, which is
you know, what we're feeding teenagers, you know, and you
look at any you know, teenager they're they're chugging their
their Starbucks with with sixty grams of sugar. They're they're
(20:10):
they're literally addicted to highly processed food. If you do
that to any animal, they're gonna literally go crazy. You know,
our brain produced, you know, is two percent of the
weight of our body, produces twenty five percent of their energy.
It literally runs on what we're eating. I mean, these
are all basic points, right, and honestly points years ago
working for the food cosa sound like hippie points, but
(20:31):
like it's just we've almost been gaslighted to not even
like realize like the one of the most important things
with the human capital for the functioning of our body,
for the functioning of our brain is like whether we're moving,
whether we're sleeping, whether we're like feeding our body with
the right fuel. And that's just been like totally taken
off the table through really like through really bad incentives.
(20:52):
And as as our f case pointed out, like during COVID,
why the hell wasn't doctor Fauci on a microphone using
that as a moment to talk about the fact that
if you were metabolically healthy, if you had a stable weight,
if you exercise, if you didn't eat processed food, you
had essentially a zero percent chance of dying of COVID.
Even if you go up into the age brackets of
(21:13):
the highly very very old folks, almost all of them
had metabolic dysfunction of some kind. If you were metabolically healthy,
you didn't die of COVID. But instead, what do we do?
We pushed almost primarily, almost exclusively, a pharmaceutical solution. Did
not talk and use this as as an opportunity to
(21:36):
really attack the root cause not just of COVID deaths,
but eight of the ten largest killers of Americans, which
are highly tied to food. So the fact that this
is even like the fact that this is even like
surprising or like like even a discussion that that the
fact that we're filling our bodies with toxic crap and
that's impacting health and mental health, I think shows how
(21:57):
much the systems won. And I think RFK bashing through that,
and again I think it's analogous to Trump kind of
killing the sacred cows. I think that's really resonating with folks,
And because it's resonating so strong with independence and women,
I think it's something every politician should be taking note on.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I want to go to something
that you talked about healthcare or I guess what we
should call it sick care, and you talked about the
pharmaceutical companies. We just recently had the FDA come out
(22:38):
and say that all of these decongestions actually don't work.
We have a huge problem right now where people are
very leery of the CDC, they're questioning the FDA. I mean,
I'm impressed that the FDA came out and said this
at this time when we have a lot of people
who are saying, who do we trust? But they did.
They came out and they said, this stuff that's been
(22:59):
on the market for decades and people have been taking
for decades, it's really not doing anything. But what it's
not doing what it's supposed to be doing. I should say,
what is it doing? If we're taking a drug that
isn't doing what we think it's going to do, how
could they have allowed us to put this in our
system for all these years?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Well, I mean, I think it's much worse than that.
I mean, I think it represents actually you know, and
I think it's great. The FDA spoke about it. This
one thing. Seventy five percent of the funding of the
FDA comes from drug companies. The the institution is designed
incentivized to grow the drug industry. Instead of an adversarial force,
(23:37):
there a clubby force. As we know, Trump's FDA director
immediately went to be on the board of Pfizer and
it is one of the biggest apologists. You know, for
the pharmaceutical industry. You have a revolving door entirely the
FDA panels that approve drugs. There's not conflict of interest,
and they're often paid by the drug makers they're actually approving.
(23:58):
The FDA is completely that with the pharma and I
think what you what's represented. Thankfully they called out that drug.
But we have totally lost our way and even this
assumption that we're making that diseases are in silos, right,
we have over ten thousand, you know, major drugs. You know,
my sister of medical school, you graduate, you choose one
of forty two specialties eighty two sub specialties against thousands
(24:21):
of drugs. So the siloing of disease has been a
total failure. You know, heart disease isn't a stat deficiency.
Diabetes isn't a met form in deficiency. OBEs isn't an
ozmbic deficiency. Right. But but the average American at fifty
years old is on six different drugs. You know, they're
they're on a high cholesterol medication, is STAD and met
(24:43):
form and all those things are the same like like,
and they're nevitably going to have you know, chess, you
know issues, chronic you know, sinus infections, all these things.
So the medical system gives you a drug for all
they're the same thing. They're fundamentally rooted in inflammation, are
fundamentally rooted in metabolic dysfunction. And and and that's the campaign.
(25:04):
That's what our books about. That that that is I
think what a number of leaders, what RFK frankly is saying,
is the true paradigm shift we need to have in health.
It is a total lie that that we have these
siloed issues and and that six drugs are going to
help you if you if you literally, as a medical system,
(25:25):
as a public policy question asked, how can we make
that person healthier? How can we reduce everything down? Right?
If that person's on Medicaid? Right, a diabetic person on medicaid.
You know, in their thirties, we're paying millions of dollars
or drugs and treatments over their lives. We could actually
work with that person which with much less money, to
actually incentivize them to exercise, to give them better food.
(25:46):
It actually save the government a lot of money and
actually reduce the root cause of everything. So so that
that's where I think the fact that we even see
things in silos is I think a huge problem.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So this was not a discussion in the debate. I mean,
public health was not discussion in the latest Republican debate
on the president of the presidential candidates. What is your
what was your thoughts on What were your thoughts on
how the debate went, and what would you like to
see the questions be in the next debate, because I
think that that's something as we look at what we've
(26:18):
talked about today, obesity, public health, these are real problems
facing America. They outrageous cost of health insurance, the outrageous
cost of these drugs, the fact that we don't talk
about a healthy lifestyle. These things were not covered at
the debate. How do you want to see that covered
at the next debate? What kinds of questions do you
(26:39):
want to see asked, why do you think that the candidates,
how do you think the candidates will react to that?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean watching the debate quite frankly, it felt
like there's a you know, massive fire, you know, Rome
is burning and we're just talking trivia. I mean literally,
the healthcare is the largest, as we know, the largest
insuct in the country. It's twenty percent of GDP at
two times the rate. It's going to bankrupt our country. Right,
we spend more on diabetes management than the all of
(27:05):
defense and intelligence, and that it's growing at a much
faster rate. It's going to bankrupt our country. And it's
not hyperbolic to say that our precious human capital is
being destroyed at a much higher rate than most other
developed countries. When you look at rates of OBESI eighty
percent of adults or a be sort of a weight,
I mean, that's that's literally our body physically telling us
(27:25):
that something wrong is happening with ourselves. So what I
would like, you know, is to is to really address
this unifying issue again that our CA is tapping into.
President Trump has made some very strong statements on it,
but but we have a problem where we're where we're
really actually again it's it's it's not a free market.
(27:46):
We actually have a total crony capitalist takeover of farm
and food, the two largest funders of DC that are
making our population sick, profiting those industries, but going to
bankrupt our country and destroy our human capital. So I'd
like to see questions about that, and and I think
for particularly with the presidential debate now, I hope and
pray that these candidates can understand this issue better because
(28:06):
there's a ton of executive action that can be taken
day one. And just just to just to list a couple,
I think we talked about this before, that fifty five
percent of media funding comes from pharma. This is hard
to get your head around. The majority of mainstream media
funding is pharma, which of course is why the mainstream
media is a mouthpiece for the pharmaceutical industry literally tries
(28:27):
to destroy anyone who questions or asks, you know, why
we should be injecting our kids with seventy shots. But
but but but but but that's their life. But that's
their funding. It's and it's also why I think the
media is completely not curious about why everyone's getting sicker
or fat or more depressed, more and fertile. So day one,
the President can issue in executive order the FDA to
(28:48):
say no more pharma ads on TV, which actually has
the benefit of taking out the main funding. Yeah, that's
that's the standard in every other country in the world,
and that would actually be the morally right thing to
do and take away the lifeblood of mainstream media advertising.
So that would be an easy day one executive order.
(29:09):
We've talked about food stamps. Obviously, we're the only country
in the world which provides our lower income nutrition substance
to sugar water. It's the number one item, soota that
could be changed. Day one should immediately get the crotny
cronies at the USDA, get actual doctors who are not
paid by food companies, and reverse the criminal recommendation that
(29:30):
two year old should be eating ten percent their diet
as added sugar. You know when parents, you know, are
at a birthday party right with three year olds and
they're all eating sugar, they're actually those parents are actually
following government recommendations to be given their kids sugar. We
need to stop that immediately. RFK. This is a hot topic,
but he's pointed on this. Vaccines recommended or really mandated
(29:53):
vaccines has risen from twenty to seventy for a six
year old by the time, and that's just been in the
past twenty years now. Number of those might be good,
and I don't want to get into that debate, and
and and and you know, they could they could very
well be great, But it is true and RF case
point this out. Mark and Glaxo Smith Klein, the two
(30:15):
largest vaccine makers, literally are the two largest criminal enterprises
in the country. They've paid in the past five years
the largest criminal penalties of any company in America billions
of dollars for directly bribing doctors and falsifying data. So
you have companies that are literally criminal enterprises, right that
(30:38):
are making tens of billions of dollars off uh these
mandated drugs with full support from the government and media.
Who's destroying anyone who's asking a question? You know again,
I think many of these might be great. But the
fact that we can't ask a question about that about
shots that, by their own, by their own advertising on them,
(31:00):
are changing a child's immune system for the rest of
our lives. That just represents I think how we've totally
lost our way, and we really have a government media
cooperation to prevent questioning of literal criminal enterprises who are
pushing drugs on us. The other thing that I just
think should be done immediately and that candidates should be
(31:21):
talking about, and this you can't even wrap your head around,
but the NIH, which really is the lifeblood of research,
is at R and D outsourcing for pharmaceutical companies. Ninety
one percent of the NIH budget is grants that are
generally going to pharmaceutical research. And there are eight thousand
NIH researchers who have conflicts of interest paid for by
(31:43):
drug companies on the exact subject they're talking. The NIH
actually has recently affirmed that they do not have a
conflict of interest policy. It's voluntary, and it's rife with
conflicts of interest, which is which is getting you to
where we are today, where everything is about a drug
for something we're already sick, for sick care, instead of
actually researching why we're getting sick.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's all very interesting. I mean, I think if you
really break down what's happening today, there has been real
pushback on anybody talking about what we put in food.
I mean, I remember mayor Bloomberg banning the big gulp,
and you know, we all went, how can you possibly
do that? And I think that's the wrong approach. You
(32:25):
can't try to just shoot little things down and see
if you can actually have an impact. I don't think
that that's right, But I do think that in the
midst of a world where we see a daily conversation
on climate and a daily attack on big oil and
increased prices on everything, including food, and that attack on
(32:46):
big oil affects our food supply from farms and our
natural food supply significantly. When we see that that is
acceptable and that people can attack big industries like that,
somehow big food and big pharma are left alone in
that conversation is something that we can't have. And you
(33:07):
have other countries that are saying, you know what we're
going to for the health of our nation and the
protection of our nation, and really that is truly what
it is. And it's hard to have that conversation because
we are we love freedom, we love to be able
to do whatever we want, but they have taken a
stance for the health of our people. We are going
to say, you can't put these kinds of toxic dyes
(33:30):
into our food. You can't have this kind of unlimited
sugar in our children's diets, and other countries have thrived
much more so than the United States from a health standpoint,
and it just seems like we are still at the
point where somehow, I'm guessing it's money in politics, and
like you're talking about money and media, because politicians need
(33:52):
the media. They're not going to go against the media.
It's a kind of a broken system. And maybe it
does take some more people like in ourk coming out
and speaking out. And I do believe what you're saying about.
If some of these other candidates came out and started
having this conversation, there would be a lot of support.
And in the end, shouldn't it be the people's vote
(34:13):
that is what you are trying to earn, not the
pocketbooks of big pharma and not getting into the earnings
of big sugar, not getting into the earnings of big food.
That you should be trying to win over the hearts
and minds of people and make it the best country
we can possibly have. And I think that conversations like
these are important so that when people hear this, they go, well,
(34:36):
wait a minute, I'm going to start asking those questions
when we have these town halls, when we see these
presidential candidates go out and say I want to talk
to the people when they go to diners and just
take whatever question it is. Start asking, how do you
feel about what the toxic chemicals, the toxic products that
we're putting in our bodies, whether it is pharma, whether
it is food, how do you feel about that? And
(34:58):
what are you going to do to protect our youth,
but to protect all ages, because when you talk about
fatty livers and liver transplants and all of these things
that we're seeing that, like we said, it used to
be only older alcoholics that we were seeing these issues,
and now we're seeing these issues and kids. You were
telling me about pediatric liver transplant places where people can
(35:18):
go and actually we're really starting up these clinics. I
mean that is shocking to me. And I just appreciate
having you on today because I think it's so key
that we help people to think about this in a
different way and say, you know what, we don't have
to stand for this. We don't necessarily even know what
we're getting, but somebody needs to stand up and say
we want the American people to know what they're getting,
(35:39):
and we want them to know that it's safe. So
thank you so much for coming on and talking about
this today.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Thank you so much, Tutor. I mean just that was
profound what you just said. And I just say, this
is the policy. This has to happen. It's so important
to help our kids. I think the politics are changing.
I think moms. I think parents are really waking up
these This is really resonating, I think among conservatives. And
then to the last point, I just say, as a conservative,
(36:05):
I used to think this was nanny state saying that
we need to look into food. What's happening right now
is the reverse of that. It is not conservative, that
crony capitalism is happening where the food companies are lobbying
to rig food stamps to serve our kids sugar. And
then people are called nanny state people for questioning that.
It's a total perversion of the system. Our system is
(36:28):
rigged right now. It is completely a rigged and our
kids are being poisoned by design and calling that out
and getting to an actual free market where right now
we subsidized, literally with federal substance cigarettes tobacco more than fruits,
and vegetables. That's literally true. So we have a rigged market.
(36:51):
All I'm asking is that we get to a free market.
We should not be taxing, we should not be banning.
Coke should be legal, but it should not be subsident
with tens of billions of dollars of government money to
feed the kids. That's the key point here, and I
think conservatives need to need to fully understand that I've
been wrong on in the past. This is a huge
(37:11):
conservative issue to take on the crony capitalism, then food
and pharma. We are subsidizing our kids destruction and bad health,
which pharma and healthcare industry is standing silent on because
they profit from people being sick. That's fundamentally what's happening.
And I think it's the conservative issue of our time
to understand those incentives and call that out and get
(37:32):
back to what I would call free market.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. I feel like I'm feeding my
kids something healthy, and I'm still struggling with weight, with behavior,
with all of these things. I mean, so many of
my friends, like I said, they took out food dies
from their child's diet and their behavior was shockingly different.
(37:56):
And if you think that this is not a dirty cabal,
it is. These lobbyists get paid to put this food
in your child's school, to put this food in your
child's lunch box. This is not something that is happening
by chance. You don't see this on the end of
shelves because it's just like, oh wow, look, that'll be easy.
It's because they're paying to be there. They're paying to
(38:19):
be in front of your face and get into your
child's mouth and get into your child's lunchbox and all
of these places. They are trying to get this food
into your child's body because it's beneficial to them financially.
I mean, as scary as that is, these people are
paying for this because getting into your child's lunch box
and affecting your child's health is a huge industry. But
(38:43):
it's not just your kid, it's you. It's your parents.
When you are dealing with the sickness of your elderly
parents and all of these cancers that we're facing. That
is a manipulation behind the scenes of lobbyists in many cases,
I mean obviously not in all cases, but I agree
with you. I mean We could probably talk about this
for hours, and I'm so grateful we'll have you back.
(39:05):
I mean, we've had you on before. There's a lot
to talk about here, just a lot of education to
put parents, to put out there for parents, and I
would like to start breaking down how different things affect kids'
behaviors because that food dye situation, We've really found that
a lot of people that think that their kids are
suffering with being on the spectrum or add a lot
(39:27):
of these behaviors. If you take that food diet out
of their diet, suddenly you have a totally different child.
And that alone should convince you what CALLI means is
saying here about we need to be involved, we need
to be loud about these issues. It's really true because
it can impact your child's life for the rest of
their life. So thank you, CALLI, thank you so much
(39:49):
for being here today. Thank you all for listening to
us go on and on about this topic. But you
know it's important to me as a mom. I know
it's important to you as parents, as people who are
caring for elderly parents as well. Thank you for joining
us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As always for this episode,
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