September 30, 2023 • 36 mins
White House trying to make sure Biden doesn't fall down. Biden joins UAW picket line. Bidenomics stats. Clay's RFK Jr. Twitter poll. Former Trump State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus joins Clay and Buck to discuss breaking news on a long-time Iranian campaign to influence Obama and Biden administration officials. VIP email sides with Clay on question of whether Biden will be the Democrat nominee.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. All right, second hour of Clay and
Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I wish we had the theme music for Mission Impossible
for a second here, because it would go well with
this scoop from Axios. Biden's teams don't let him trip mission.
Don't let him trip mission, Clay watch. Well, let's just let's.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Not underrate how crazy this is. I mean, this is
this is the lead story for Axios this morning. Buck,
I woke up, went into my email, I read the Axios.
I got a bunch of email newsletters with the news
and I saw this and I thought it was like
April Fool's Day that this would be out as a
legitimate story.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So it's a real thing. His team is trying to
prevent him from falling down. You all remember remember that
video of Hillary Clinton. They said that she had a
fever or something and the secret services around her and
she just flopped into the back of a van and
it was on video and at first they were like,
she didn't flop, it was a balletic uh, you know,
(01:11):
dismount into the rear of the vehicle. And then like Okay, yeah,
she flopped and then they said, oh, she had a
fever or something, and that became a moment in the
news cycle. I do not believe Joe Biden is going
to have a I don't I you know, man, I
don't like talking about this sometimes. I don't think he's
gonna have a dementia moment on stage. If there are debates,
(01:33):
I don't I think that they'll be able to no
more so than he already has, right, I mean, nothing
beyond what we've already seen. Anything could happen. But what
they are worried about is if Joe Biden has some
big stumble at the wrong moment, it just reminds everybody
of what's what's going on meanwhile. So so the mission
(01:53):
mission impossible, as I call it, is to prevent Biden
from stumbling as he walks around. And then you have
Biden set to join the picket line at the United
Auto Workers strike and they're saying this is the first
time a sitting president has ever gone to and in
(02:14):
effect joined I guess a picket line. This is all
about the unions, all about Michigan, particularly for twenty twenty four.
We can see that, and I think Joe Biden has
always done very well with unions and the Democrats still
maintained a pretty strong grip on them. Clay, I just
wanted to go through some interesting moments in Bidenomics right
(02:35):
now for everybody. Yeah, and then you know, you can
tell me where you think this is all heading or
how bad this is going to get. This is These
are just all stats and statistics that I pulled this
morning when I was looking up what's going on here?
The monthly average payment for a mortgage has gone from
one thousand dollars, I'm sorry, has gone from yeah, basically
(02:58):
one thousand dollars to two thousand dollars, an increase of
a thousand bucks and your mortgage payment so you can
afford quite truly about half the house you used to
be able to afford if you are getting a mortgage
at this point in time. Yes, sir, No, I think
it's also important.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So the mortgage rates have the cost of a mortgage
has gone up that much. Also important to reemphasize there
are tens of millions of people who would like to
move but have a two and a half or three
percent mortgage rate. Yeah, they're not going, So they're not
moving either, so they don't have a house that fits
necessarily their needs. But you feel so fortunate to have
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that rate locked in that you're not going to trade
up or trade down like you might be doing based
on the cycles of your life.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So car rate loans or car loan rates rather, have
also shot up dramatically, so it's a lot more expensive.
The number of monthly car payments at one thousand dollars
a month right now are at an all time high.
So a lot of people are making thousand dollars a
month car payments, and you know they're not driving around
(04:04):
that may Bocher or a Mercedes necessarily, right, So that
would be a lot more than a thousand. But demand
for these are all things. Demand for commercial real estate
loans is way down toward two thousand and eight levels.
You have seventeen trillion dollars of household debt right now.
(04:25):
I had to check that stat twice. I said that
seems crazy. Seventeen trillion dollars of household debt. Thirty six
percent of Americans have more credit card debt now than
they have in total savings thirty six percent. And the
average credit card loan right or credit card rate APR
(04:47):
is something in the seventeen to twenty percent range. So
you start to look at this and you start to
say to yourself, hold on a second, Oh, and I'm
not the I didn't even pull I should have pulled.
And groceries, which are the most common day to day
household expenses, which are far above what they were before
(05:08):
Biden took office. Everybody, except for people who are so
rich they don't really care, is poorer under Biden. That's
actually what this is. Forget about the unemployment rate, forget
about whatever the stock market's doing. Seven stocks. It's like,
you know, App, Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Microsoft, Tesla, What am
(05:30):
I missing?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Google, maybe alf Alphabet. Did I already say that one
those stocks, Clay, If you took them out of the
stock market, the stock market would be down this year. Yeah,
it'd be a down year in the stock market and
only seven stocks, all tech stocks that are holding the
whole thing up. The shoe is about to drop, folks.
I don't know what else to say. The music is
going to stop. Everyone's saying, oh, maybe we won't hit
a soft landing. We have some major economic dysfunction going
(05:54):
on right now.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And this is summed up buck NBC News poll, Republicans
have a twenty one point advantage on which party better
handles the economy, forty nine percent to twenty eight percent.
And this is according to Josh Krashauer, who I'm reading
from here. That's the largest lead Republicans have held in
(06:17):
this poll dating.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Back to nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Interesting, what also happened in nineteen ninety one third party
Ross perrout everybody was upset about the way the economy felt,
Ross Perot swept in. For those of you who remember
the nineteen ninety two election, and one, what did Piero
win Buck nineteen percent of the overall vote in nineteen
(06:45):
ninety two.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, crazy high number compared to what people thought was possible.
And so.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Is Again, history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. That's interesting,
just in the context of biggest lead Republicans have held
since nineteen ninety one. Now, also nineteen ninety two, Clinton won,
But this was the Bush Senior had some of the
highest approval ratings in nineteen ninety one in the history
(07:16):
of a president Clinton.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Clinton won with less than less than half the vote correct.
So let's all remember Clinton was not even a majority
president right, I mean Clinton either is tom accident he
never won a majority in ninety two or ninety six
because Perot ran again in ninety six he was less
powerful then. See, this is why you know, when everyone's
sitting here and you know, and I'll get to some
of the I've seen some of the vip emails. You
(07:39):
get nervous, Buck, do you think Biden's gonna make it?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think Biden's still gonna make it. I'm I am
quadrupling down. I am so deep in my Biden's gonna
be the nominee bunker that I can't even get any
natural sunlight anymore. But Clay, there are so many variables
here that I think you have to assume at some
at some level, the you know, inertia will win out
(08:06):
on some of these political realities, like you'd have to
get so much going to push Biden aside that to me,
inertia meaning just let it go as it is, is
the likelier scenario because there's also all these other variables
and factors that you count account for. And if you
start to create chaos in the system, if you start
to make distinctions and determinations about where there's where things
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are going in the future based upon incomplete information now
you know, and give up advantages in the process to
do that. I just think that that's that's bad. That's
bad strategy. We know we have the possibility of a
third party candidate. We also have the possibility. I don't
know what happens if Trump loses one of these trials.
I mean, I really don't know what happens to the
(08:52):
sentiment in the country. I don't know what And I
don't even mean that. I'm like, what are the polls show.
I'm like, I don't know how we get along. Well,
I've got a crazy theory on that. Buck. I don't
think it's gonna matter that much. That's possible. I don't
think I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I mean, I've been thinking a lot about that. I mean,
because there is I think so far correct. Me see
if you agree with this theory. I think that Democrats
never expected that they would be in this situation in
late September. No, I think they thought that Trump would
(09:30):
be maybe he's still leading in the Republican primary, but
I think they thought that he would be taking on
water uh, you know, with New York City, with d C,
with South Florida, and with Atlanta, I think they thought
that he would be weaker instead of getting stronger.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So I think that we've been very consistent here, stretching
back for a long time. Certainly really, I think for
this whole year, or since the indictment started to come down,
that we were saying the Democrats believe that Trump is
their best opponent, and they think that the indictments will
help him in the primary or else they won't do it. Comma,
(10:10):
that doesn't mean they're right in the general. Yeah, we've
been saying this all along, and what you're seeing right now,
based on the polling, is that reality I think is
starting to set in where yeah, it means Trump is
going to be the nominee. Yet it hasn't hurt him
in the primary at all. In fact, the indictments have
only helped him, but it may have helped them beyond
what they thought was possible. It may have pushed him
(10:31):
to a place where he becomes a candidate. Clay You added,
I mean, I know people that are talking about the
possibility of like bank runs. When you start to look
at what's going on, you know, Silicon Valley Bank, they
all want to tell you, oh, it's all fixed, it's fine.
Oh yeah, they got on the wrong They got on
the wrong side of interest rates. And and you know,
basically treasuries, and you look at the way rates are
(10:52):
going right now, you look at the both the persistently
high inflation and what's going on with the interest rate
hikes faster than has it. I think it's the fastest
it's been in history, right, the fastest interest rate certainly
modern history that anybody knows of it. And and there
are maybe some very large financial institutions, I mean the
largest financial institutions that are effectively sitting on a lot
(11:16):
of very bad decisions that they hope, you know, meeting.
They don't have that they wouldn't have the capitol on
hand if people realized that they wanted to take their
money out. Now, that's always a problem with banks, but
when you when you get on the wrong side of
interest rates like you did with that's a Silicon Valley
bank SBB that seems to become more of a possibility.
So think about this. I mean, this is my long
way of saying, if the economy starts to tank and
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Biden is where he is, then they're clearly going to
break the glass. Then then you I think, you know,
broker convention or whatever they got to do they're gonna do,
they'll come up with something. Yeah, And I think the
story to kind of sum that up. And by the way,
on your point on Silicon Valley Bank, I think I
talked about this. I was in.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Italy on my family vacation when those banks and I
got on the phone from Italy because I was worried
about my local bank that I do all of my
my business with. I mean, it's stock price was tanking
because there was a legitimate run on banks, and I'm
sitting around thinking how much you know, what accounts do
I have? Like, I think a lot of people were
(12:17):
in that perspective. But I think the big story here
so far of the Republican primary. We thought starting in
January the question was going to be who gives Republicans
the best chance to beat Biden. I think the story
as we sit here in late September is Biden's so
(12:38):
weak every Republican is going to beat Biden. Again, I'm
not saying that's going to happen. I think the electability
is less of a focus because Biden is so weak.
To your point, if the economy truly hits a recession
in the next year. There isn't this fear that Biden
looks inevitable in the Republican e A lite it. I
(13:01):
think that was a big part of the DeSantis push,
of the Nikki Hayley push, Like, oh, Trump has alienated
a lot of people. I think Biden's so bad that
a lot of people are just saying he's not gonna
wins here.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I mean, one is, most of the polls show Biden
and Trump basically tied. So that ten point poll is
an out there right so and a five point Messenger poll.
But yes, yeah, but in general, you're looking at its
fifty to fifty country, fifty to fifty, and we're a
year ahead of the elections. That keeps saying, and you
haven't run. They're just gonna run Jay six stuff all day,
all the time. And people can say, oh, that's all
(13:33):
old or whatever. It's a visual, it's a you know,
TV markets are what moves the needle with elections in
different states. I mean, it's that they're going to just
flood the airwaves with threat to democracy and J six stuff.
What will that actually mean? We'll have to see. But
I think Clay that we are in a situation where
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you could see something major happy to the economy because
they've done everything they can do. This is we're at
the point now where the Bazuoka has already been fired, right,
They've they've done that, brought up rates faster than they
ever have, They spent more money than they ever should have,
and it was a complete you know, free for all. Right,
basically what eight trillion in COVID spending all in when
(14:15):
you add the two brillion to buy.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It more than we spent, which I think is important
adjusted for inflation to beat the Nazis and win World
War two.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So it's as though I want to ever take a
step back. You know, I'm not an economist. Probably a
few economists are listening to this, but I you know,
I'm just somebody who reads a lot of stuff. But
we all understand this at a gut level and just
based on based on common sense. It's like we ran
an experiment to run up inflation as fast as we
possibly could, and then we've run up an experiment to
(14:45):
bring down inflation by bringing up rates as fast as
we possibly can. And we're told that the same people
more or less who did both of those things, and
some of whom were pretty much around and asleep at
the wheel back in the tooth and eight meltdown. Have
gotten this perfectly right, and it's all going to be fine,
and there's no real You can spend eight trillion dollars
(15:08):
and then you can raise rates as fast as you want,
avoider recession, avoid mass layoffs, avoid all these things. If
they pull this off, you would think it must be
some kind of active economic engineering genius. Does every want
to bet that they're gonna be able to pull this off?
I'm just I'm just putting it out there. I'm just
putting it out there. It's gonna be wild. Just let's
(15:31):
just sum it all up by you. It's going to
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Speaker 1 (16:36):
Buck, I put up a poll, and this is something.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And again, I'm not claiming certainly that my audience on
Twitter is reflective of anything other than a small subset
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
But you and I were discussing this. If Robert F.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Kennedy Junior runs, the expectation is, right now, conventional wisdom
that he would hurt Biden the most.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What if that's not right? Yeah, I don't I don't see.
I don't know who's conventional wisdom that is, I don't
buy that. I don't buy that for one second you
think he would hurt Trump more than absolutely Biden. I
think that. I think that more people who are right
leaning in their thinking, like RFK Junior than anybody who's
a real Democrat who's voted for Biden. Uh and you
a vote for Biden and going to continue to be
(17:24):
a Democrat going forward. I don't look. I think this
was at some level a desire on the right for
something just sort of you know, new and interesting, which
often happens in these different campaigns. But I think if
you have an RFK Junior ticket, you can say hello
to four more years at Joe Biden. If he's if
he's third party, it's going to cost people on the right,
(17:45):
because you know what, Clay, at the end of the day, Democrats,
they just want to win people on the right. They're like,
I have a principle that voting the right in candidate
will support No, you're just helping Joe Biden win. That's
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Welcome back, everybody. We're joined by our friend Morgan or Tagish.
She's the founder of Polaris National Security, former spokesperson for
the US State Department, and a Naval Reserve officer, former
intelligence analyst. You see her, You've seen her a lot
in the past on Fox News. Morgan, thanks for being
(19:13):
here with us. Also a friend of mine, friend of Clay,
so that means she's good. People. Everybody tell us about
this story because I think you're got to lay it out.
This This crosses over into the realm of major Iranian
foreign policy. The Obama administration holdovers to the Biden administration
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nuclear policy? What went on here? Like, tell everybody about this,
this situation, because it's gonna be the first time they've
heard it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, so it's pretty breaking news this morning. I will say,
you know, I live in Nashville, where Clay lives, and
I was getting ready to drive to Memphis. Got up
at I'm speaking at the Lincoln Day dinner tonight for
anybody who's listening for Memphis up to see you there.
But I was wiping the sleep out of my eyes,
and I thought, am I actually read what I think
I'm reading here? And it's I think it should be
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the foreign policy scandal of a generation. If everything that
Semaphor is reporting is true. So to take a really
complicated picture and try to distill it down quickly so
all the listeners can understand essentially what happened in Semaphore,
by the way, is a pretty mainstream media organization started
by some New York Times journalists. Semaphore reported that they
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got a hold of a lot of emails internal correspondents
from the Iranian regime, but also correspondence that the Iranians
were having with Americans, and essentially what the correspondent said
is the Iranian regime and around twenty fourteen, they were
heavily under US sanctions at that point from both the
Bush administration and the Obama administration, and they wanted to
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improve their image in the United States, and they wanted
to get favorable terms for a nuclear deal that have
been begun being negotiated in secret. Right, So these are
things like how many centrifuge is should Iron be allowed
to have. So it wasn't just trying to like blanket
improve the reputation in the United States. It was trying
to trying to get favorable terms for that nuclear deal negotiation.
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Now that deal was the JCPOA that President Obama signed.
Remember this was a political deal. It was not ratified
by the Senate, and that's why. And the Trump administration
in which I served, we were able to tear up
that nuclear deal because we didn't think it was a
good deal. And I could go into another hour on
your show explaining why that wasn't a good deal. You
know this stuff really well, Buck. So what was really
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mind blowing about these internal communications about this foreign influence
plan that they had in the United States is they
had a list of officials of people of influential, mostly
Iranian Americans, that they wanted to recruit to be a
part of this. Well, the big problem is it appears
on that list again, if the Semaphore reporting is true,
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that it was Obama officials and current ident officials who
were not only a part of the list of people
that were, you know, a part of this influence campaign,
but to actually saw emails from these people. Now they
were at think tanks at the time that they call
that they saw some of these emails, but it was emails.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
One guy essentially said to the to the foreign minister,
I'm a proud Iranian American. I'm going to do anything
that I can to help Iran, almost pledging allegiance to Iran.
And so when you when you start to look at
the correspondence. It's pretty damning from the perspective of Buck.
I thought, how in the world did these people have
security clearances? You know, how are you currently working in government?
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If you were emailing the Iranians Foreign Minister's age talking
about how you would publish publicly support their side during
the nuclear negotiations, you weren't talking about it as an
independent analyst. You were talking about not taking the American side.
You were talking about taking the Iranian side, which is
just pretty wild and mind blowing to me. And also
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there you know, some of these people that were involved
and caught up in these emails also were a part
of the six billion dollar rents and payment agreement that
the Biden team just paid to the Iranians last week.
So this is why would it can easily be looked
at as like, well, this is a niche story. I
don't think it's a niche story because it shows that
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the Iranian regime set out to get these former Obama
and some current Biden officials to get them to influence
United States foreign policy on behalf of Iran.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Morgan, thanks for coming on with us, and I saw
your tweets this morning, which was what which was kind
of made me think, oh my god, this is kind
of a big story, and I bet a lot of
our audience would know.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And you just hit on it.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
We just gave six billion dollars to Iran, I think
for five prisoners to be returned as part of a
prisoner exchange. Also, how much money did we give Iran
over the initial Obama deal? Because am I correct to
remember that basically we just flew in planes filled with
cash and that happened, right.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
That absolutely happened. That was reported, that was uncovered by
the Wall Street Journal. The Obama teams thought that they
would get away with that. It ended up being at
least ninety billions of dollars also in sanctions relief. And
by the way, you know, what do we think the
Iranians did with that money. Well, we know that they
increased their ballistic missile production so that they can more
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easily threaten Israel, threaten their neighbors, eventually threaten the United States.
We obviously have troops in the region. You know that
money did not go to public health, infrastructure, right, or
roads or bridges or new schools. That money and sanctions
relief went to the Shia militias. Around the region that
Iran uses to destabilize and to commit acts of terrorism.
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So the United States sanctions relief directly contributed, directly contributed
to groups like you know has Bulah and Hamas and
other Shia militants, for example, the ones in Iraq, which
Buck knows quite well, which attacked American interest in have
seeing some American contractor deaths due to that. So they
you know, they didn't keep any of their promises. Of
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course they didn't. You'd be silly to be silly to
believe in the first time, and especially silly to believe
of the second time.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
While we've got you, Morgan, I saw a story and
I bet you have an interesting take on it speaking
of Iran, where MBS who basically run Saudi Arabia said, well,
if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, then Saudi Arabia is
also going to need nuclear weapons. Yeah, what do you
think about that? And what is the geopolitical status right
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now as you see it of the Middle East. We
tend to focus right now on obviously Europe with Ukraine, Russia,
and then the threat of China Taiwan. My eyebrows got
raised a little bit about the idea of Saudi Arabia
also having nukes, Iran having nukes, given how unstable many
of those countries in the Middle East could be, how
nervous should we be about that?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Well, Listen, I lived in Saudi Arabia at the US
embassy from twenty ten and eleven in the Saudist told
me that back then, right, they said, if Iran is
a nuclear weapon, we have to get one. So while
that position is not is not new, I definitely think
that it's the first time many Americans are hearing it,
and we should be very considered concerned because there is
no plan from the Biden team to stop Iran from
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getting a nuclear weapon. We were very clear in the
Trump administration. We ripped up the JCPUA. We said, this
is not a treaty, right, the Obama team did not
go to the Senate to get it ratified as a treaty.
It's a political document. By the way, they didn't go
to the Senate because they knew they couldn't get the votes. Also,
not even from their own party, Chuck Schumer and others
other Meninda's well, Menandaz isn't a great example, but at
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the time, but you know, so, we've never believed that
we instituted the maximum economic pressure campaign, and President Trump
stated it very clearly, by any means necessary, Iran was
not going to obtain a nuclear weapon. And the Iranians
knew that Trump was serious because he took out Costom Soul,
the money, you know, their world leading terrorists, the person
who is in charge of the IRGC and so, which
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is the Iran Revolutionary Guard by the way, sary to
use the acronyms. So that's I think what we're missing
from Team Biden is they have tried for three years now.
They chase the Iranians around the world, tried to negotiate, begged, cajoled,
pleaded for them to get back into the deal. The
Iranians haven't done that because the Americans, the current administration
is not enforcing the sanctions on Iran, So like, why
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would they make a deal with us. There's sanctions placed
on them that no one respects her or enforces. There's
no credible threat of force from the Biden team saying
if you do this, we're going to stop you. So, like,
what'sn't it for them to get a deal. There's nothing
really good in it for them.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
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Speaker 2 (29:15):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate Morgan
or tagus there explaining what I think is kind of
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(29:40):
And uh, I just I just come back to this, Buck.
I know we're gonna be talking a lot about twenty
twenty four. Tomorrow is the debate. We'll spend a lot
of time talking about the debate. What can you point to?
This is a question that I think is going to
continue to echo all throughout the next you know, thirteen
(30:02):
or fourteen months.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
As we get ready for the election.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
What can you point to and say, you know what
the Bidens were really on top of this.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Graft corruption getting money from China. I mean they do
have some skills, Clay be fair.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I mean that is objectively, their entire campaign is going
to be Trump is an existential threat to democracy with
a with also a layering of they're going to put
you in prison if you get an abortion. But none
of it is going to be hey, we've actually done well.
(30:38):
And this is where I think this Bidenomics argument that
you laid out is really going to blow up in
their face when you argue, hey, we're responsible for the
economy and it's the worst economy ever for many people
out there. When it comes to we're about to hit
four dollars a gallon gas inflation, everything has cost everybody
(30:59):
who has got who has been working, has gotten a
default pay decrease because of this.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's a tough spot to be in. They will use
every lever at their disposal, to obviously to include mortgaging
our future financial prospects in this country to make it
look good in the election year. As I said before,
though they don't really have that much that they or
at least it's not readily apparent to me what they
can do to try to juice the numbers in their
(31:27):
favor all that much. But I also this is the
eor in me hers been he I know I was
in it. I was like very I've been very positive
recently about Trump's prospects, but this is one thought that
I keep having. Obama went into Now, Obama was a
once centner generation Democrat, political talent, et cetera, et cetera. Fine,
(31:49):
he went into the twenty twelve election with it was
it was the case, the worst recovery out of a
recession in seventy years, Okay, the worst, the slowest, most
sort of anemic recovery possible, and yet he won reelection
by a lot. You know, I think what Biden's going
(32:10):
to do is say, effectively juxtapos where we are against
when everyone's masked and fighting the virus and COVID and
lockdowns and all that stuff, and say, see how far
we've come now. I don't know if that's going to
work for their purposes. To me, that argument is is preposterous.
Right to me, that argument makes absolutely no sense. But
(32:35):
that's something I think that they will try. And I
think that the January sixth stuff, you know, to what
I want to know is if you get swing voters
in the key states to sit down and you start
asking them, you know, does your opinion of Trump? Did
it change after January sixth of twenty twenty one. I
(32:57):
would like to see what that data looks like, because
that's the thing that's concerned learning to me about Trump prospects.
Maybe the answer, by the way, is they've overplayed it
and we've heard it a million times and who cares.
But I don't think Democrats believe that will be the answer.
I think that that's the center of their plan.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I want at the start of the next hour, I
want to go back into buck this Axios headline.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I swear I know. I'm like, I know what Clay's
gonna say. Let's talk about how Biden can't walk. Let's
talk about how Biden's stumbling all over the place. That's
what Clay wants.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Just like, let's set the table here for everybody just
to think about. Wake up the morning. We talked about
the prep. Everybody like we're reading, trying to make make
sure we're on.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Top of everything.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I open up the Axios Morning Email because they do
a good job kind of distilling and giving you an
idea of what the talking points of the day are
going to be, and the Biden campaign's top focus right
now is let's figure out how to stop Biden from
tripping again. I can't believe that this is real, and
it reminds me of as a mission I know, and it
(34:06):
brings me that I wanted to hit this from our VIPs.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Mark says Buck, gentleman, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
It's time for Buck to capitulate. The chances of Joe
Biden making it to the campaign finish line are zero.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I'm not joking.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
The Democrats have tried everything they can think of to
put lipstick on this political pig. But if you ever
seen an elderly woman with lipstick on her face because
she can't find her lips, that's Uncle Joe. It's a
good analogy. Energy, border, inflation, crime, go no further. He
(34:45):
loses on every one of these issues. Add in that
he probably will be needing twenty four hour nursing care
by this time next year. It's a fantasy that he'll
be a candidate. Just saying, I think Mark various stute
of of the political process. We migulate Buck.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
We need fewer of Clay's extended family to call an
email today. I'm just gonna put that out there, all right,
second cousins in uh In, you know, different parts of
the SEC country need to stop. I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I appreciate my good friend Judy in Kentucky, eighty three
year old grandma of three who has excellent taste in radio.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That's all. I thought. She'd even thrown me a little like,
you know, consolation, like you're okay, Buck, nothing nothing from Judy,
no love, no but but seriously on the on the
VIP listener, mark, vip listener, Mark. I'm going to mark
this day because I expect that when Joe Biden is
in fact the Democrat nominee, Uncle Bill Bill o'riley's gonna
(35:42):
be in the show tomorrow, I'm gonna do the same
thing with him. When that happens, I expect an email
in perhaps Shakespearean's sonnet form about what a a a
brilliant political mind who will not buckle to conventional wisdom.
Mister Buck Sexton is okay, k vip mark you mark
this day.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I am going to read some of these axios headlines
in the Biden They're worried, they're trying to make sure
he can walk. This is not like your ten month
old grandchild. And you're like, well, we're trying to make sure.
We're hoping that he can walk by Christmas. We're hoping that,
you know, he's going to be able to wear these
new shoes that we got for him. It's the president
(36:23):
of the flipping the United States, Buck, and the Democrat
twenty twenty four political strategy is we got to do
everything we can to keep him from falling.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And I just want everybody to think about this for
a minute.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Sometimes you have to pull yourself and I'll expand on
this a little bit, Buck, but if you ever think
to yourself, am I behaving in a crazy way? Sometimes
you have to take yourself out of the context. You'll
look crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Democrats
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Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I wish we had the theme music for Mission Impossible
for a second here, because it would go well with
this scoop from Axios. Biden's teams don't let him trip mission.
Don't let him trip mission, Clay watch. Well, let's just let's.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Not underrate how crazy this is. I mean, this is
this is the lead story for Axios this morning. Buck,
I woke up, went into my email, I read the Axios.
I got a bunch of email newsletters with the news
and I saw this and I thought it was like
April Fool's Day that this would be out as a
legitimate story.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So it's a real thing. His team is trying to
prevent him from falling down. You all remember remember that
video of Hillary Clinton. They said that she had a
fever or something and the secret services around her and
she just flopped into the back of a van and
it was on video and at first they were like,
she didn't flop, it was a balletic uh, you know,
(01:11):
dismount into the rear of the vehicle. And then like Okay, yeah,
she flopped and then they said, oh, she had a
fever or something, and that became a moment in the
news cycle. I do not believe Joe Biden is going
to have a I don't I you know, man, I
don't like talking about this sometimes. I don't think he's
gonna have a dementia moment on stage. If there are debates,
(01:33):
I don't I think that they'll be able to no
more so than he already has, right, I mean, nothing
beyond what we've already seen. Anything could happen. But what
they are worried about is if Joe Biden has some
big stumble at the wrong moment, it just reminds everybody
of what's what's going on meanwhile. So so the mission
(01:53):
mission impossible, as I call it, is to prevent Biden
from stumbling as he walks around. And then you have
Biden set to join the picket line at the United
Auto Workers strike and they're saying this is the first
time a sitting president has ever gone to and in
(02:14):
effect joined I guess a picket line. This is all
about the unions, all about Michigan, particularly for twenty twenty four.
We can see that, and I think Joe Biden has
always done very well with unions and the Democrats still
maintained a pretty strong grip on them. Clay, I just
wanted to go through some interesting moments in Bidenomics right
(02:35):
now for everybody. Yeah, and then you know, you can
tell me where you think this is all heading or
how bad this is going to get. This is These
are just all stats and statistics that I pulled this
morning when I was looking up what's going on here?
The monthly average payment for a mortgage has gone from
one thousand dollars, I'm sorry, has gone from yeah, basically
(02:58):
one thousand dollars to two thousand dollars, an increase of
a thousand bucks and your mortgage payment so you can
afford quite truly about half the house you used to
be able to afford if you are getting a mortgage
at this point in time. Yes, sir, No, I think
it's also important.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So the mortgage rates have the cost of a mortgage
has gone up that much. Also important to reemphasize there
are tens of millions of people who would like to
move but have a two and a half or three
percent mortgage rate. Yeah, they're not going, So they're not
moving either, so they don't have a house that fits
necessarily their needs. But you feel so fortunate to have
(03:35):
that rate locked in that you're not going to trade
up or trade down like you might be doing based
on the cycles of your life.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So car rate loans or car loan rates rather, have
also shot up dramatically, so it's a lot more expensive.
The number of monthly car payments at one thousand dollars
a month right now are at an all time high.
So a lot of people are making thousand dollars a
month car payments, and you know they're not driving around
(04:04):
that may Bocher or a Mercedes necessarily, right, So that
would be a lot more than a thousand. But demand
for these are all things. Demand for commercial real estate
loans is way down toward two thousand and eight levels.
You have seventeen trillion dollars of household debt right now.
(04:25):
I had to check that stat twice. I said that
seems crazy. Seventeen trillion dollars of household debt. Thirty six
percent of Americans have more credit card debt now than
they have in total savings thirty six percent. And the
average credit card loan right or credit card rate APR
(04:47):
is something in the seventeen to twenty percent range. So
you start to look at this and you start to
say to yourself, hold on a second, Oh, and I'm
not the I didn't even pull I should have pulled.
And groceries, which are the most common day to day
household expenses, which are far above what they were before
(05:08):
Biden took office. Everybody, except for people who are so
rich they don't really care, is poorer under Biden. That's
actually what this is. Forget about the unemployment rate, forget
about whatever the stock market's doing. Seven stocks. It's like,
you know, App, Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Microsoft, Tesla, What am
(05:30):
I missing?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Google, maybe alf Alphabet. Did I already say that one
those stocks, Clay, If you took them out of the
stock market, the stock market would be down this year. Yeah,
it'd be a down year in the stock market and
only seven stocks, all tech stocks that are holding the
whole thing up. The shoe is about to drop, folks.
I don't know what else to say. The music is
going to stop. Everyone's saying, oh, maybe we won't hit
a soft landing. We have some major economic dysfunction going
(05:54):
on right now.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And this is summed up buck NBC News poll, Republicans
have a twenty one point advantage on which party better
handles the economy, forty nine percent to twenty eight percent.
And this is according to Josh Krashauer, who I'm reading
from here. That's the largest lead Republicans have held in
(06:17):
this poll dating.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Back to nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Interesting, what also happened in nineteen ninety one third party
Ross perrout everybody was upset about the way the economy felt,
Ross Perot swept in. For those of you who remember
the nineteen ninety two election, and one, what did Piero
win Buck nineteen percent of the overall vote in nineteen
(06:45):
ninety two.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, crazy high number compared to what people thought was possible.
And so.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Is Again, history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. That's interesting,
just in the context of biggest lead Republicans have held
since nineteen ninety one. Now, also nineteen ninety two, Clinton won,
But this was the Bush Senior had some of the
highest approval ratings in nineteen ninety one in the history
(07:16):
of a president Clinton.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Clinton won with less than less than half the vote correct.
So let's all remember Clinton was not even a majority
president right, I mean Clinton either is tom accident he
never won a majority in ninety two or ninety six
because Perot ran again in ninety six he was less
powerful then. See, this is why you know, when everyone's
sitting here and you know, and I'll get to some
of the I've seen some of the vip emails. You
(07:39):
get nervous, Buck, do you think Biden's gonna make it?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think Biden's still gonna make it. I'm I am
quadrupling down. I am so deep in my Biden's gonna
be the nominee bunker that I can't even get any
natural sunlight anymore. But Clay, there are so many variables
here that I think you have to assume at some
at some level, the you know, inertia will win out
(08:06):
on some of these political realities, like you'd have to
get so much going to push Biden aside that to me,
inertia meaning just let it go as it is, is
the likelier scenario because there's also all these other variables
and factors that you count account for. And if you
start to create chaos in the system, if you start
to make distinctions and determinations about where there's where things
(08:29):
are going in the future based upon incomplete information now
you know, and give up advantages in the process to
do that. I just think that that's that's bad. That's
bad strategy. We know we have the possibility of a
third party candidate. We also have the possibility. I don't
know what happens if Trump loses one of these trials.
I mean, I really don't know what happens to the
(08:52):
sentiment in the country. I don't know what And I
don't even mean that. I'm like, what are the polls show.
I'm like, I don't know how we get along. Well,
I've got a crazy theory on that. Buck. I don't
think it's gonna matter that much. That's possible. I don't
think I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I mean, I've been thinking a lot about that. I mean,
because there is I think so far correct. Me see
if you agree with this theory. I think that Democrats
never expected that they would be in this situation in
late September. No, I think they thought that Trump would
(09:30):
be maybe he's still leading in the Republican primary, but
I think they thought that he would be taking on
water uh, you know, with New York City, with d C,
with South Florida, and with Atlanta, I think they thought
that he would be weaker instead of getting stronger.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So I think that we've been very consistent here, stretching
back for a long time. Certainly really, I think for
this whole year, or since the indictment started to come down,
that we were saying the Democrats believe that Trump is
their best opponent, and they think that the indictments will
help him in the primary or else they won't do it. Comma,
(10:10):
that doesn't mean they're right in the general. Yeah, we've
been saying this all along, and what you're seeing right now,
based on the polling, is that reality I think is
starting to set in where yeah, it means Trump is
going to be the nominee. Yet it hasn't hurt him
in the primary at all. In fact, the indictments have
only helped him, but it may have helped them beyond
what they thought was possible. It may have pushed him
(10:31):
to a place where he becomes a candidate. Clay You added,
I mean, I know people that are talking about the
possibility of like bank runs. When you start to look
at what's going on, you know, Silicon Valley Bank, they
all want to tell you, oh, it's all fixed, it's fine.
Oh yeah, they got on the wrong They got on
the wrong side of interest rates. And and you know,
basically treasuries, and you look at the way rates are
(10:52):
going right now, you look at the both the persistently
high inflation and what's going on with the interest rate
hikes faster than has it. I think it's the fastest
it's been in history, right, the fastest interest rate certainly
modern history that anybody knows of it. And and there
are maybe some very large financial institutions, I mean the
largest financial institutions that are effectively sitting on a lot
(11:16):
of very bad decisions that they hope, you know, meeting.
They don't have that they wouldn't have the capitol on
hand if people realized that they wanted to take their
money out. Now, that's always a problem with banks, but
when you when you get on the wrong side of
interest rates like you did with that's a Silicon Valley
bank SBB that seems to become more of a possibility.
So think about this. I mean, this is my long
way of saying, if the economy starts to tank and
(11:38):
Biden is where he is, then they're clearly going to
break the glass. Then then you I think, you know,
broker convention or whatever they got to do they're gonna do,
they'll come up with something. Yeah, And I think the
story to kind of sum that up. And by the way,
on your point on Silicon Valley Bank, I think I
talked about this. I was in.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Italy on my family vacation when those banks and I
got on the phone from Italy because I was worried
about my local bank that I do all of my
my business with. I mean, it's stock price was tanking
because there was a legitimate run on banks, and I'm
sitting around thinking how much you know, what accounts do
I have? Like, I think a lot of people were
(12:17):
in that perspective. But I think the big story here
so far of the Republican primary. We thought starting in
January the question was going to be who gives Republicans
the best chance to beat Biden. I think the story
as we sit here in late September is Biden's so
(12:38):
weak every Republican is going to beat Biden. Again, I'm
not saying that's going to happen. I think the electability
is less of a focus because Biden is so weak.
To your point, if the economy truly hits a recession
in the next year. There isn't this fear that Biden
looks inevitable in the Republican e A lite it. I
(13:01):
think that was a big part of the DeSantis push,
of the Nikki Hayley push, Like, oh, Trump has alienated
a lot of people. I think Biden's so bad that
a lot of people are just saying he's not gonna
wins here.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I mean, one is, most of the polls show Biden
and Trump basically tied. So that ten point poll is
an out there right so and a five point Messenger poll.
But yes, yeah, but in general, you're looking at its
fifty to fifty country, fifty to fifty, and we're a
year ahead of the elections. That keeps saying, and you
haven't run. They're just gonna run Jay six stuff all day,
all the time. And people can say, oh, that's all
(13:33):
old or whatever. It's a visual, it's a you know,
TV markets are what moves the needle with elections in
different states. I mean, it's that they're going to just
flood the airwaves with threat to democracy and J six stuff.
What will that actually mean? We'll have to see. But
I think Clay that we are in a situation where
(13:54):
you could see something major happy to the economy because
they've done everything they can do. This is we're at
the point now where the Bazuoka has already been fired, right,
They've they've done that, brought up rates faster than they
ever have, They spent more money than they ever should have,
and it was a complete you know, free for all. Right,
basically what eight trillion in COVID spending all in when
(14:15):
you add the two brillion to buy.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It more than we spent, which I think is important
adjusted for inflation to beat the Nazis and win World
War two.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So it's as though I want to ever take a
step back. You know, I'm not an economist. Probably a
few economists are listening to this, but I you know,
I'm just somebody who reads a lot of stuff. But
we all understand this at a gut level and just
based on based on common sense. It's like we ran
an experiment to run up inflation as fast as we
possibly could, and then we've run up an experiment to
(14:45):
bring down inflation by bringing up rates as fast as
we possibly can. And we're told that the same people
more or less who did both of those things, and
some of whom were pretty much around and asleep at
the wheel back in the tooth and eight meltdown. Have
gotten this perfectly right, and it's all going to be fine,
and there's no real You can spend eight trillion dollars
(15:08):
and then you can raise rates as fast as you want,
avoider recession, avoid mass layoffs, avoid all these things. If
they pull this off, you would think it must be
some kind of active economic engineering genius. Does every want
to bet that they're gonna be able to pull this off?
I'm just I'm just putting it out there. I'm just
putting it out there. It's gonna be wild. Just let's
(15:31):
just sum it all up by you. It's going to
be wild. I can tell me Clay, he's got to
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Speaker 1 (16:36):
Buck, I put up a poll, and this is something.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And again, I'm not claiming certainly that my audience on
Twitter is reflective of anything other than a small subset
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
But you and I were discussing this. If Robert F.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Kennedy Junior runs, the expectation is, right now, conventional wisdom
that he would hurt Biden the most.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What if that's not right? Yeah, I don't I don't see.
I don't know who's conventional wisdom that is, I don't
buy that. I don't buy that for one second you
think he would hurt Trump more than absolutely Biden. I
think that. I think that more people who are right
leaning in their thinking, like RFK Junior than anybody who's
a real Democrat who's voted for Biden. Uh and you
a vote for Biden and going to continue to be
(17:24):
a Democrat going forward. I don't look. I think this
was at some level a desire on the right for
something just sort of you know, new and interesting, which
often happens in these different campaigns. But I think if
you have an RFK Junior ticket, you can say hello
to four more years at Joe Biden. If he's if
he's third party, it's going to cost people on the right,
(17:45):
because you know what, Clay, at the end of the day, Democrats,
they just want to win people on the right. They're like,
I have a principle that voting the right in candidate
will support No, you're just helping Joe Biden win. That's
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Welcome back, everybody. We're joined by our friend Morgan or Tagish.
She's the founder of Polaris National Security, former spokesperson for
the US State Department, and a Naval Reserve officer, former
intelligence analyst. You see her, You've seen her a lot
in the past on Fox News. Morgan, thanks for being
(19:13):
here with us. Also a friend of mine, friend of Clay,
so that means she's good. People. Everybody tell us about
this story because I think you're got to lay it out.
This This crosses over into the realm of major Iranian
foreign policy. The Obama administration holdovers to the Biden administration
(19:33):
nuclear policy? What went on here? Like, tell everybody about this,
this situation, because it's gonna be the first time they've
heard it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, so it's pretty breaking news this morning. I will say,
you know, I live in Nashville, where Clay lives, and
I was getting ready to drive to Memphis. Got up
at I'm speaking at the Lincoln Day dinner tonight for
anybody who's listening for Memphis up to see you there.
But I was wiping the sleep out of my eyes,
and I thought, am I actually read what I think
I'm reading here? And it's I think it should be
(20:03):
the foreign policy scandal of a generation. If everything that
Semaphor is reporting is true. So to take a really
complicated picture and try to distill it down quickly so
all the listeners can understand essentially what happened in Semaphore,
by the way, is a pretty mainstream media organization started
by some New York Times journalists. Semaphore reported that they
(20:25):
got a hold of a lot of emails internal correspondents
from the Iranian regime, but also correspondence that the Iranians
were having with Americans, and essentially what the correspondent said
is the Iranian regime and around twenty fourteen, they were
heavily under US sanctions at that point from both the
Bush administration and the Obama administration, and they wanted to
(20:48):
improve their image in the United States, and they wanted
to get favorable terms for a nuclear deal that have
been begun being negotiated in secret. Right, So these are
things like how many centrifuge is should Iron be allowed
to have. So it wasn't just trying to like blanket
improve the reputation in the United States. It was trying
to trying to get favorable terms for that nuclear deal negotiation.
(21:11):
Now that deal was the JCPOA that President Obama signed.
Remember this was a political deal. It was not ratified
by the Senate, and that's why. And the Trump administration
in which I served, we were able to tear up
that nuclear deal because we didn't think it was a
good deal. And I could go into another hour on
your show explaining why that wasn't a good deal. You
know this stuff really well, Buck. So what was really
(21:34):
mind blowing about these internal communications about this foreign influence
plan that they had in the United States is they
had a list of officials of people of influential, mostly
Iranian Americans, that they wanted to recruit to be a
part of this. Well, the big problem is it appears
on that list again, if the Semaphore reporting is true,
(21:56):
that it was Obama officials and current ident officials who
were not only a part of the list of people
that were, you know, a part of this influence campaign,
but to actually saw emails from these people. Now they
were at think tanks at the time that they call
that they saw some of these emails, but it was emails.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
One guy essentially said to the to the foreign minister,
I'm a proud Iranian American. I'm going to do anything
that I can to help Iran, almost pledging allegiance to Iran.
And so when you when you start to look at
the correspondence. It's pretty damning from the perspective of Buck.
I thought, how in the world did these people have
security clearances? You know, how are you currently working in government?
(22:38):
If you were emailing the Iranians Foreign Minister's age talking
about how you would publish publicly support their side during
the nuclear negotiations, you weren't talking about it as an
independent analyst. You were talking about not taking the American side.
You were talking about taking the Iranian side, which is
just pretty wild and mind blowing to me. And also
(23:00):
there you know, some of these people that were involved
and caught up in these emails also were a part
of the six billion dollar rents and payment agreement that
the Biden team just paid to the Iranians last week.
So this is why would it can easily be looked
at as like, well, this is a niche story. I
don't think it's a niche story because it shows that
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the Iranian regime set out to get these former Obama
and some current Biden officials to get them to influence
United States foreign policy on behalf of Iran.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Morgan, thanks for coming on with us, and I saw
your tweets this morning, which was what which was kind
of made me think, oh my god, this is kind
of a big story, and I bet a lot of
our audience would know.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And you just hit on it.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
We just gave six billion dollars to Iran, I think
for five prisoners to be returned as part of a
prisoner exchange. Also, how much money did we give Iran
over the initial Obama deal? Because am I correct to
remember that basically we just flew in planes filled with
cash and that happened, right.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
That absolutely happened. That was reported, that was uncovered by
the Wall Street Journal. The Obama teams thought that they
would get away with that. It ended up being at
least ninety billions of dollars also in sanctions relief. And
by the way, you know, what do we think the
Iranians did with that money. Well, we know that they
increased their ballistic missile production so that they can more
(24:25):
easily threaten Israel, threaten their neighbors, eventually threaten the United States.
We obviously have troops in the region. You know that
money did not go to public health, infrastructure, right, or
roads or bridges or new schools. That money and sanctions
relief went to the Shia militias. Around the region that
Iran uses to destabilize and to commit acts of terrorism.
(24:47):
So the United States sanctions relief directly contributed, directly contributed
to groups like you know has Bulah and Hamas and
other Shia militants, for example, the ones in Iraq, which
Buck knows quite well, which attacked American interest in have
seeing some American contractor deaths due to that. So they
you know, they didn't keep any of their promises. Of
(25:07):
course they didn't. You'd be silly to be silly to
believe in the first time, and especially silly to believe
of the second time.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
While we've got you, Morgan, I saw a story and
I bet you have an interesting take on it speaking
of Iran, where MBS who basically run Saudi Arabia said, well,
if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, then Saudi Arabia is
also going to need nuclear weapons. Yeah, what do you
think about that? And what is the geopolitical status right
(25:34):
now as you see it of the Middle East. We
tend to focus right now on obviously Europe with Ukraine, Russia,
and then the threat of China Taiwan. My eyebrows got
raised a little bit about the idea of Saudi Arabia
also having nukes, Iran having nukes, given how unstable many
of those countries in the Middle East could be, how
nervous should we be about that?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Well, Listen, I lived in Saudi Arabia at the US
embassy from twenty ten and eleven in the Saudist told
me that back then, right, they said, if Iran is
a nuclear weapon, we have to get one. So while
that position is not is not new, I definitely think
that it's the first time many Americans are hearing it,
and we should be very considered concerned because there is
no plan from the Biden team to stop Iran from
(26:17):
getting a nuclear weapon. We were very clear in the
Trump administration. We ripped up the JCPUA. We said, this
is not a treaty, right, the Obama team did not
go to the Senate to get it ratified as a treaty.
It's a political document. By the way, they didn't go
to the Senate because they knew they couldn't get the votes. Also,
not even from their own party, Chuck Schumer and others
other Meninda's well, Menandaz isn't a great example, but at
(26:42):
the time, but you know, so, we've never believed that
we instituted the maximum economic pressure campaign, and President Trump
stated it very clearly, by any means necessary, Iran was
not going to obtain a nuclear weapon. And the Iranians
knew that Trump was serious because he took out Costom Soul,
the money, you know, their world leading terrorists, the person
who is in charge of the IRGC and so, which
(27:07):
is the Iran Revolutionary Guard by the way, sary to
use the acronyms. So that's I think what we're missing
from Team Biden is they have tried for three years now.
They chase the Iranians around the world, tried to negotiate, begged, cajoled,
pleaded for them to get back into the deal. The
Iranians haven't done that because the Americans, the current administration
is not enforcing the sanctions on Iran, So like, why
(27:29):
would they make a deal with us. There's sanctions placed
on them that no one respects her or enforces. There's
no credible threat of force from the Biden team saying
if you do this, we're going to stop you. So, like,
what'sn't it for them to get a deal. There's nothing
really good in it for them.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Morgan or tegis everybody. Morgan appreciate you being here.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Thanks for having me. Guys appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
She's great.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Another Nashville person, Buck, just continue to stack them here.
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Speaker 2 (29:15):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate Morgan
or tagus there explaining what I think is kind of
a complicated story, but basically Iran go figure playing us
getting billions of dollars that was that was sent in
partly based on that that being able to play us,
(29:40):
And uh, I just I just come back to this, Buck.
I know we're gonna be talking a lot about twenty
twenty four. Tomorrow is the debate. We'll spend a lot
of time talking about the debate. What can you point to?
This is a question that I think is going to
continue to echo all throughout the next you know, thirteen
(30:02):
or fourteen months.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
As we get ready for the election.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
What can you point to and say, you know what
the Bidens were really on top of this.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Graft corruption getting money from China. I mean they do
have some skills, Clay be fair.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I mean that is objectively, their entire campaign is going
to be Trump is an existential threat to democracy with
a with also a layering of they're going to put
you in prison if you get an abortion. But none
of it is going to be hey, we've actually done well.
(30:38):
And this is where I think this Bidenomics argument that
you laid out is really going to blow up in
their face when you argue, hey, we're responsible for the
economy and it's the worst economy ever for many people
out there. When it comes to we're about to hit
four dollars a gallon gas inflation, everything has cost everybody
(30:59):
who has got who has been working, has gotten a
default pay decrease because of this.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's a tough spot to be in. They will use
every lever at their disposal, to obviously to include mortgaging
our future financial prospects in this country to make it
look good in the election year. As I said before,
though they don't really have that much that they or
at least it's not readily apparent to me what they
can do to try to juice the numbers in their
(31:27):
favor all that much. But I also this is the
eor in me hers been he I know I was
in it. I was like very I've been very positive
recently about Trump's prospects, but this is one thought that
I keep having. Obama went into Now, Obama was a
once centner generation Democrat, political talent, et cetera, et cetera. Fine,
(31:49):
he went into the twenty twelve election with it was
it was the case, the worst recovery out of a
recession in seventy years, Okay, the worst, the slowest, most
sort of anemic recovery possible, and yet he won reelection
by a lot. You know, I think what Biden's going
(32:10):
to do is say, effectively juxtapos where we are against
when everyone's masked and fighting the virus and COVID and
lockdowns and all that stuff, and say, see how far
we've come now. I don't know if that's going to
work for their purposes. To me, that argument is is preposterous.
Right to me, that argument makes absolutely no sense. But
(32:35):
that's something I think that they will try. And I
think that the January sixth stuff, you know, to what
I want to know is if you get swing voters
in the key states to sit down and you start
asking them, you know, does your opinion of Trump? Did
it change after January sixth of twenty twenty one. I
(32:57):
would like to see what that data looks like, because
that's the thing that's concerned learning to me about Trump prospects.
Maybe the answer, by the way, is they've overplayed it
and we've heard it a million times and who cares.
But I don't think Democrats believe that will be the answer.
I think that that's the center of their plan.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I want at the start of the next hour, I
want to go back into buck this Axios headline.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I swear I know. I'm like, I know what Clay's
gonna say. Let's talk about how Biden can't walk. Let's
talk about how Biden's stumbling all over the place. That's
what Clay wants.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Just like, let's set the table here for everybody just
to think about. Wake up the morning. We talked about
the prep. Everybody like we're reading, trying to make make
sure we're on.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Top of everything.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I open up the Axios Morning Email because they do
a good job kind of distilling and giving you an
idea of what the talking points of the day are
going to be, and the Biden campaign's top focus right
now is let's figure out how to stop Biden from
tripping again. I can't believe that this is real, and
it reminds me of as a mission I know, and it
(34:06):
brings me that I wanted to hit this from our VIPs.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Mark says Buck, gentleman, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
It's time for Buck to capitulate. The chances of Joe
Biden making it to the campaign finish line are zero.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I'm not joking.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
The Democrats have tried everything they can think of to
put lipstick on this political pig. But if you ever
seen an elderly woman with lipstick on her face because
she can't find her lips, that's Uncle Joe. It's a
good analogy. Energy, border, inflation, crime, go no further. He
(34:45):
loses on every one of these issues. Add in that
he probably will be needing twenty four hour nursing care
by this time next year. It's a fantasy that he'll
be a candidate. Just saying, I think Mark various stute
of of the political process. We migulate Buck.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
We need fewer of Clay's extended family to call an
email today. I'm just gonna put that out there, all right,
second cousins in uh In, you know, different parts of
the SEC country need to stop. I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I appreciate my good friend Judy in Kentucky, eighty three
year old grandma of three who has excellent taste in radio.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That's all. I thought. She'd even thrown me a little like,
you know, consolation, like you're okay, Buck, nothing nothing from Judy,
no love, no but but seriously on the on the
VIP listener, mark, vip listener, Mark. I'm going to mark
this day because I expect that when Joe Biden is
in fact the Democrat nominee, Uncle Bill Bill o'riley's gonna
(35:42):
be in the show tomorrow, I'm gonna do the same
thing with him. When that happens, I expect an email
in perhaps Shakespearean's sonnet form about what a a a
brilliant political mind who will not buckle to conventional wisdom.
Mister Buck Sexton is okay, k vip mark you mark
this day.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I am going to read some of these axios headlines
in the Biden They're worried, they're trying to make sure
he can walk. This is not like your ten month
old grandchild. And you're like, well, we're trying to make sure.
We're hoping that he can walk by Christmas. We're hoping that,
you know, he's going to be able to wear these
new shoes that we got for him. It's the president
(36:23):
of the flipping the United States, Buck, and the Democrat
twenty twenty four political strategy is we got to do
everything we can to keep him from falling.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And I just want everybody to think about this for
a minute.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Sometimes you have to pull yourself and I'll expand on
this a little bit, Buck, but if you ever think
to yourself, am I behaving in a crazy way? Sometimes
you have to take yourself out of the context. You'll
look crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
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