September 30, 2023 • 36 mins
Axios story on Biden team's don't-let-him-trip strategy. Democrats don't care if Biden is unfit, he's just a figurehead for the continuation of Obama polices (Obama 4.0, in essence). Historian Jon Meacham says if Trump wins, the Constitution will be terminated. Important Virginia and Kentucky elections coming up. Wild animal fights.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, our number three.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We talked about the fact that Donald Trump has now
moved to the top of the overall odds markets to
be elected president of the United States in twenty twenty four.
There are a lot of different storylines to follow and
be associated with there, but a big part of this
(00:38):
is what's going to happen with the third party process.
And we say this, by the way, on the eve
of the second Republican primary debate, which will be taken
place in California at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, and
that we know Donald Trump will not be involved in.
But big story out there is that there may be
a third party, and in particular, Robert F. Kennedy Junior
(01:02):
may be entering as a libertarian. Buck is of the
opinion and I think I would maybe sign on with
this that an RFK Junior libertarian candidacy could be a
challenge to Trump as much or more than it would
be to Biden. That will be a huge topic of debate.
But I've got to pull up right now, and among
(01:23):
my group of Twitter followers out there, about thirty percent
of you said that you would vote again. This is
on Twitter. You can go vote at Clay Travis. About
thirty percent of you said that you would vote for
Robert F. Kennedy Junior over Donald Trump. Sixty some odd
percent say for Trump, five percent say for Biden. Again,
(01:44):
that's people who follow me on Twitter. Anybody can go
vote in that poll, and that would suggest that that's
not a ridiculous proposition. That Buck may well be right
about this overall impact. But I think the biggest storyline
is Joe Biden's incompetence. And when I woke up this morning,
(02:04):
I saw this thing. This is the headline of Axios,
which does a good job with.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
A morning newsletter.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
One big thing scoop and Buck, this is not the
kind of scoop that you want associated with Joe Biden.
So this is not something where sometimes you're like, Okay,
they leaked this, they want this story out there, Scoop
Biden's don't trip plan, And I thought, well, certainly this
is a metaphor, it can't actually be what it says.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
No, no, No.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The opening paragraph President Biden and his staff are working
on an urgent project to protect his reelection bid a
don't trip strategy. Democrats, this is this is crazy. Democrats,
including some in the administration, are terrified Biden will have
(02:53):
a bad fall, with a nightmare scenario of it happening
in the weeks before the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So what are they doing?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Remember Biden tripped and fell on the stage at the
Air Force Academy. Biden is working every day with a
physical therapist to try to improve his balance.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Since his stumble in June.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Buck They put him in tennis shoes, with the idea
being it's better for him to be walking in tennis shoes,
I guess, than dress shoes, which tend to be slicker.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I'm guessing that's the theory.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And they have change and this is a big story
that I don't think has been talked about enough. They
change the stairs on Air Force One so that the
steps are shorter so he doesn't have to climb as
many stairs in order to get on the plane. Now,
the worst case scenario here, and this is sad to
even think about, is when Biden gets off Air Force One,
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you know, and he stands up at the top of
the parapet there buck and waves as he starts to
walk down, he could trip and then there's a lot
of stairs and you bang and fall and like break
a bone and mean, he could kill himself falling down
as many stairs as there are on Air Force One,
which is crazy, But the fact that Democrats have a
top story coming out a little bit over thirty a
(04:11):
little bit less than fourteen months thirteen and a half
months from the election, where the story is Biden is
training to try to fall less. They're putting him in
tennis shoes and they've had to change the steps on
Air Force one. I don't know how they escape this storyline,
but it ain't a good storyline that they're terrified that
he's going to fall and what it could mean for
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the twenty twenty four election. Can you believe this is real?
Like would you have ever believe that this was possible?
I mean, this is crazy. I mean it's this is
a recognition of reality. There's nothing about this that's that's strange.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I mean, this is I mean I shouldn't say there's
nothing about them writing this or this being a story
that's strange, because we can all see it of course
it's strange to have a president who's stumbling around in
this way. But I think, man, if this were this
is my my baseline assumption here for everything that we're
talking about, is if this were September of twenty twenty four,
(05:13):
I think the Democrats would be in a lot of
trouble with these numbers and Biden everything else. But it's
there's so much time here that they may be able
to at some level normalize Joe Biden and meaning normalize
his physical infirmities. I'm not convinced that Democrats remember what
(05:35):
they did with Fetterman. If you criticized his cognition issues,
you were being in You were criticizing a man for
his disability and that he's strong and and you should
encourage him to come forward and talk about you know,
the severe depression, all all of these things, and they
turn that around pretty effectively.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
At the time.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I'm not convinced that Joe Biden, I mean, this is
gonna sound crazy, and this will probably be you know,
used against me at some point in the future. I'm
not convinced that if they wheeled Joe Biden out in
a wheelchair and they're just like, hey, guys, he's gotten
a little bit weaker or whatever that Democrats would necessarily
say he can't. They just say his mind as sharp
as attack. I mean, this is what they've been saying
(06:18):
behind closed doors. We all have to understand, Clay, We're
operating in a world where for four years Democrats claimed
that there was a plot with Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin
and the Kremlin that involved tapes of prostitutes urinating on
the then president of the United States. Sorry, but that's
what the allegation was, that there was a Kremlin Putin
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Trump plot with zero evidence to steal the twenty sixteen election.
Every person who is on TV talking about Joe Biden,
who's a Biden partisan, went along with that. So the
notion that I mean, I just think we've entered an
era of political mass hysteria. I think that, you know,
if you want to get a sense of where we are,
(07:00):
forget about Axios. Read Gustave Lebon, the the you know,
the French political philosopher who just talked about how mobs
just wants slogans, They want to be around other people,
they want chance, they want to feel like there's meaning
to their lives. You know, whatever, all this other stuff
we get into. I mean, you know, the marginal tax
rate and manufacturing, and I don't know if it really
(07:21):
moves the needle.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Is this too crazy for you?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
No, I don't think it's crazy at all, which is
why I think there's there's going to be probably tens
of billions of dollars spent over the next thirteen and
a half months to get ready for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And I think almost all.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That's going to be wasted because I don't think they
are that many people that have not already made up
their opinion, which is why I say, and this has
been my argument for a while, and if it's Trump Biden,
it's going to stay my argument. Trump can win three ways, right.
One is a third party, although third party could cut
against him too, but but I think in general a
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third party could help Trump. Another is and I think
this is going to be true. I think a lot
less people we've got a stake bed I think on this.
I think a lot less people are going to vote
in twenty twenty four than voted in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yes, we do have a stake that on this. I
wrote this, I wrote this one down. I think the
turnout will be higher than it was in the last election.
You think it will be dramatically lower.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Hey, yeah, I think that a lot of people bought
into Biden will make America normal again. Just to be clear,
we're talking aggregate turnout. Cross reports totally.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
There're one hundred they counted one hundred and fifty six.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Million, and I'm votes in twenty twenty. I think fewer
than one hundred and fifty six million people will vote
in twenty twenty four. I'm gonna have Clay cut up
my file Mignon in little pieces, you know, and I'm
gonna have them call me like, you know, Lord Buck
or something. Go ahead, And then the third here is
exactly what they're talking about. I think that Biden could
(08:55):
have such a debilitating moment that it's impossible or anyone
with a functional brain to vote for him. And that
could be he's coming down Air Force one and he
just trips and falls, and he just bounced like.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Boom boom boom boom boom, he falls.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It could be at the at the debate, to the
extent that we have a debate that he has a
Mitch mcconoll.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
On the president tripping and falling. Are you aware this?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I mean, this is the whole the axios, Buck, this
is what I'm saying, their whole story.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I mean, I couldn't you are you are?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I'm falling and I can't get up to Joe Biden
right now?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You are? You are doing that to him.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I think that Joe Biden is so incompetent, and I
hate that the Democrats have even made this a reality
no one has ever had a discussion about. They had
to change the president shoes to try to make it
less likely that he's gonna fall. I mean this, this
is crazy talk that we're in this scenario. And this
is the analogy that I was gonna make with you, Buck.
(09:56):
Sometimes you get so close to an issue, you're gonna
find this with your book and some perfect example when
you write a book. At some point you've read your
book so many times that you can't see it with
fresh eyes. And this is an analogy that I've made before.
It's a good one. You guys steal this, all right.
(10:16):
If you are married or you have a long term girlfriend,
you steal this. Hopefully they don't listen to the show,
but you can steal this and claim it's yours, and
I wonder, I bet this has happened to you every
now and then, Buck, you're a newlywed. Every now and then,
you are out somewhere, if you are man, this has
been my experience. I've been married almost twenty years. You
are out somewhere with your wife. Maybe it's a grocery store,
(10:39):
maybe it's a mall shopping mall eight, and you're separated,
right like, maybe you go to get the milk and
she's going to get the chips or the cereal or
whatever else. Maybe you're in a bookstore and you're looking
in different sections of the bookstore and you come around
a corner and you see your wow wife.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I hope this happens to some of you, And.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
For a moment you think, oh, who's that pretty girl,
And then you're like, oh, it's my wife, because you
aren't expecting to see her, and you see her again
in a way that you did for the first time, right,
because you're used to if you're in your house, you're
used to seeing your wife.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And maybe women do this for husbands. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I don't think I'm that good looking. I doubt my
wife is like, oh, that's my husband. He's attractive, but
I know this happens for me with my wife. You
see your spouse as if you are not used to
seeing them. It takes you out of the relationship that
you're in, and you see it somewhat more objectively. The
Democrats not realize because they're so close to this reelection campaign.
(11:45):
You're changing the president shoes because you're afraid that he
can't walk in normal shoes and that he's going to fall.
You're changing the steps on Air Force one because you're
afraid that he's going to trip. That's a sign if
you pull yourself out of the campaign, that you are
(12:06):
working to elect someone who is unable physically. I'm not
even talking about mentally unable physically to.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Do the job.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Pull yourself out of this crazy, myopic view where you're
writing a book and you're so close to it that
you can't see it. Crazy. Fuck, they're crazy. If this
all mattered in the.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Way that it matters to you.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You wouldn't meaning at this.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
If this was as cut and dry and clear of
an impact on the electorate, you wouldn't have Trump and
Biden effectively tied in all the national.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Polls right now.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Now, that's not good for by. I know, you can
look deeper in the data and there's a lot of
things that indicate weakness and they want different candidates and
all this. But you know, every every Democratic voted from
the last time is going to vote for from this time.
I mean, this is that is not changing with Trump
as his opponent. There is not a single person that
I can think of that I have ever spoken to
in real life who was like, yeah, I voted for
(13:05):
Biden in twenty twenty. This time around, I'm voting for
Donald James. But see what they're not gonna do is
show up. That's my theory.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I think a lot of people, because they're so invested,
they may even say I'm voting for Biden, but then
they're gonna be like, I'm not gonna go stand in
line on election.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I'm not even going to fill out this ballot.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
No one really believes who's casting a ballot for Biden
next year. No one really would believe that they're voting
for four years of Biden. They're voting for the continuation
of Democrat control with Obama advisors and policies to be implemented.
That's you know, remember in the beginning with Joe Biden.
(13:43):
It was he was a trojan horse, and now we
see he's like a figurehead, right. I mean, the trojan
horse component was I'm gonna unify the country. I'm good,
old Grandpa Joe, you can trust me. Now he's just
the vessel through which the Democrats can continue to pursue
the policies they want, really think, I mean, it's one
of the most important political essays I've read all year,
(14:04):
was that Obama factor essay that we talked about on
the show, where it was just this is a day
facto continuation of Obama's third term with some you know,
old befuddeled white dude as the president. You know, you know, technically,
but the advisors around him, and the apparatus of the
(14:24):
Democrat Party and the cabinet members and all the rest
of it is effectively Obama three point zero. And so
if that is what you're getting for a lot of Democrats,
they're like, well, let's just do Obama four point zero
in essence, without it necessarily even being Michelle Obama who's
on the ticket. It's just Joe Biden as the guy.
When was the here's the question for you, When was
(14:45):
the last time. You think Joe Biden pounded the table
in the Oval Office and made a decision that overrode
his advisers that didn't have anything to do with Hunter Biden. Yeah,
take that off the table, you know what I mean.
I don't think it's happened.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
This is why the ultimate question is who's the decider?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Ultimately, when you vote for president of the United States,
they are putting the most in you know, because you
walked into the Oval Office and briefed George w. You're
giving the most difficult decisions people, things that no one
else can figure out. You're putting them on that resolute desk.
Biden is not the decider in chief. It's actually making
(15:23):
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it's like the Paris Communes. You know, it's a bunch
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Sanity in an Insane World The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Welcome Back Team eight hundred two eight two two eight
A two. I want to take some more of your
calls here in the back part of the show. You know,
we don't have time to uh play this soundby for
you right now, but we're going to play when we
come back.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Okay, Clay and I both you know. I sit here.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I do a radio show every day and I feel
like I'm surrounded by friends, well all of you listening,
but my written friends, as in books, history books all
over my studio. People can't really see them, but I have,
you know, just a wall of books, mostly history books.
I'd say seventy five eighty percent history books.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
When they start taking the historians and using the historians
to make the radical left arguments, I just feel like,
come on, man.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
You know, stay in your lane, historians.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
But they won't.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
No one stays in the lanes these days. I get that,
and I guess now Trump is a threat to democracy,
is what historians have to say.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
We need to play that, John Meacham, because you and
I are both history nerds, and you would think history
would teach these historians to have a bit of perspective,
and yet they are among the most outlandish in their
crazy hyperbole as to what's going to happen if Trump wins.
(18:00):
I want to make sure we play this for people
because I do think even by that standard, this is
this is madness, and they aren't helping things in any way. Look,
you know testosterone levels in America are down fifty percent
from when your grandfather, your great grandfather were in this country.
Do you know that overall testosterone levels have completely collapsed?
And certainly the Biden White House has the lowest testosterone
(18:22):
level of any white house in any of our lives.
I'd like to send a truckload of testosterone to the
Biden White House and whoever is currently making decisions in
the desider in chief roles, and it's not Joe Biden.
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(18:58):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Bucks Show. So, I I
bet a huge percentage of you are not on TikTok.
I am I have a TikTok account. I've never posted anything.
I'm mostly there to make sure my kids don't post
crazy things. But we've got to Clay and buck TikTok account,
So if you are interested in TikTok, Buckett spent more
(19:19):
time there than I have. A lot of people evidently
are now following us on TikTok. Like you said, we've
got like fifty thousand followers or something on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I mean there are girls who do makeup tutorials who
have like six million, but we do have fifty thousand,
so that well, this.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Is why I could barely spend any time on Instagram,
because you know, I'm out there grinding away every day
for however many hours I'm working. And then you know,
some random hot chicken a bikini has like four million
Twitter followers, and I'm like, this is probably not my
probably not my place to Instagram followers probably more than
Twitter followers. Yes, yes, oh did I say Twitter? I'm
(19:56):
in Instagram. Yes, I maybe she's a scholar as well,
but yeah, I post from my own Twitter account.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Instagram.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know, I have people who post things and everything else,
but we have got a smart social media team, and
we have a take that we put up of Travis
Kelcey and Taylor Swift, and I was ripping Travis kelce
for taking money from bud Light, but worse than that,
taking money from Pfizer and trying to encourage young people
(20:23):
out there, which is the target market that they're using
and trying to reach by using Travis kelce to get
the COVID shot. My argument is, certainly, you know, if
you're a teenager twenty thirty, certainly if you're younger than twenty,
the idea that you would get the COVID shot, to
me is crazy. You actually have far more risk as
a young man than you do any benefit. So but
(20:43):
they put up a clip and it wasn't about the
COVID shot necessarily, and we got like five hundred thousand
Twitter fall I mean use on TikTok, and then we
got a strike because the Taylor Swift people evidently were
upset because we weren't being nice enough to Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Clay Clay got dinged by the swifties for hate's speech
against Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's how this all went down.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
These stories are crazy, by the way, would you have
ever believed that you would be on this show saying
Clay got dinged by the Swifties for hate speech about
Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It's a crazy world we live in, or.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And you just watched this clip, and I'm about to
play a historian clip I shared with you. Biden went
spent twelve minutes with the UAW in Michigan and then
turned around and got back on the plane. But we
mentioned that this Axios lead story was about the fact
that they have changed the steps for Air Force One.
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You watch this video Buck the new like they're basically
putting him in the very bottom of Air Force One.
If you have ever seen that sort of majestic scene
where the president lands, comes out on Air Force one,
or walks up the steps, turns, almost always waves right
president comes out, it's a very staged affair. Hey let
(22:02):
me wave. I'm at the very top of this huge staircase.
Every single one of you listening right now has seen
that at some point in time, the idea is its
majestic Air Force One conveys the pomp, the circumstance, the
power of the United States of America. They now buck
when you see this staircase that they're putting him on
(22:24):
they're basically having him walk up like fifteen stairs and
go into the bowels of the airplane because they don't
think he can walk the stairs anymore. Again, I just
say to everyone out there, if you are a Democrat
and you are doing all of this, pull yourself out
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of how close you are watching this and think what
are we doing? Every Democrat is thinking the choice is
between Biden and his is walker and his sippy cup
and the end of democracy. Okay, that's what they've convinced themselves.
(23:06):
Here is historian John Meetchim saying that this is basically
the end. If we don't have a Biden Democrat victory,
play ten.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
This whole election.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
The Constitution.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Think about this.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
The Constitution, if the numbers are even remotely true, is
going to come down to a couple one hundred thousand
people in five states.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
That's that's where we are. And so to some extent,
the appeal has to be if you are one.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Of these folks in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, in Arizona, if
you're there, do you want to terminate the Constitution? And
if you do, you better be sure your team's always
going to be in power.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Think just a quick wait, just a quick case here
on the terminate the constitution argument. Donald Trump at various
points when he was president, many points, and I think
it was an abuse of the law. Had federal judges
who put forward these universal one federal judge would say Nope, sorry,
President can't do that. And then you know what Trump's
(24:16):
response always was, It's not what the Obama response was,
It's not what the Biden response was. They would always
try to just do it and make someone stop.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Them from doing it.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
The Trump response was, all right, well, we'll see you
in court and we'll see if we can make it
up through the appeals process and take it to the
Supreme Court. Remember Obama lost the Supreme Court eleven out
of thirteen times on issues of basically abuse of power.
That's one part and the other part. You and I
both made this point many times. It's a critical one.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Trump was given the biggest invitation to straight up autocracy
in certainly in living memory in this country.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I mean, nothing else I think even comes close. I
mean even much more so than even in the aftermath
of nine to eleven. We were united to face an enemy.
When you're looking at a pandemic and everyone's scared of
their neighbor. The opening for autocracy there is enormous. And
while I have some criticisms of everybody involved in COVID,
including Trump, at the end of the day, he left
(25:14):
it to states to make their own decisions and did
not take it as an opportunity to be a tyrant.
And Joe Biden did take it as an opportunity to
be a tyrant. So this notion and an unconstitutional one. Yeah,
the notion that Trump is the end of the Constitution
is a hysterical nonsense and people who say it should
should honestly take take a walk, calm down.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I think from a historic perspective, Trump had an opportunity
the likes of which we have not seen since World
War Two to enact sweeping federal power, and obviously Roosevelt
did it during World War Two to even use Japanese
internment camps as an example, that was how sweeping his
power was during World War Two. Since then your point,
(26:00):
I think it makes sense. In the immediate aftermath of
nine to eleven, when we were unclear whether there might
be more attacks coming, the president to protect the country
did enact many different policies, but that was a relatively
short lived process other than World War Two. Most of
us right now, and I know there are some of
you out there that in living memory can recall the
(26:22):
World War II process, Most of us cannot. You're right,
and these historians really and this particular clip we're playing
as John Meacham, but also Michael Beschlos said, do you
remember what he said? If Republicans win in twenty twenty two,
there's going to be firing squads. I'm paraphrasing, but he
went on MSNBC and basically said, people are going to
(26:44):
be lining up and shooting people who disagree with them politically.
These people are uniquely indefensible to me, Buck, because I look,
if you're Karine Jean Pierre and you are a partisan
political shill and you go on and you make arguments
that are true, I don't appreciate it, but I understand
that it's part of the game. You always talk about
(27:05):
Senator Harry Reid lying about Miss Romney Romney and it worked,
and so that's it's unfortunate to have lies at the
heart of the political process.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But if you're a rabid partisan, that often happens.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
The whole point of being a historian and certainly one
of these public historians who goes on and talks about
the context of American history and are a unique experiment
as a republic, is that you have perspective and aren't
a prisoner of the moment to say that the Constitution
won't exist if Donald Trump is elected president?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Do we?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, I would love to hear John Meacham say, okay,
so historically, can you point me to a moment in
time where any president has been trying to put his
chief political rival in prison for the rest of his life.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
This has never happened before, so he wouldn't be able
to point to a historic moment. Isn't that a bigger.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Threat than anything that Donald Trump might do if he
were elected president?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
These people, these historians.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Frankly Buck, I mean, I get really fired up about this,
the fact that they would go on because they're leaning,
they're using their imprimature of legitimacy to argue something that
isn't entirely without defense from a historical basis.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
You know, It's like I wrote a big, dusty book
about Rutherford B. Hayes, So listen to me now. On
the future of democracy in twenty twenty three, that's kind
of how this goes.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, and they're they're treated as if they are above reproach.
I mean, I think Beschelo's saying people are gonna get shot,
lined up and shot. If I think he said, I'm
not sure we'll have another pre election after this, this should.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Be credibility destroying immediately. But this, Clay, this is all
going to why, you know, I think we have to
be so careful about analyzing the feelings and the mood
of the country from a right of center perspective. People
Democrats on the left when it comes to Trump. I mean,
they we're going now into eight years of this. They
(29:13):
have been conditioned in like Pavlovian fashion, they have been
conditioned to be terrified at the prospect of Trump being
in office again. Yeah, and that means that, you know,
it's it's a very different calculation than it would be
in a normal, you know, normal election year. You know,
would would some random Republican up against Joe Biden doddering
(29:35):
around do better? You know, I don't think we're going
to get to find out. We'll see.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Let's let's switch gears here for a second.
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I'll accept that between the two of us, I would
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Speaker 3 (31:46):
I like Patty from Kentucky a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Great lady not that there's anything not that there's anything
wrong with rainbows and and unicorns.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Very popular.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
And for people out there who don't know who was
what was our caller who has the best taste in
radio on the planet, who called from Kentucky in Kentucky's
Kentucky from Kentucky and Kentucky if I remember correctly, And
by the way, Kentucky has one of probably the biggest
election in twenty twenty three because the governor is I
(32:20):
know there's elections in Virginia. I know there's elections in Louisiana.
I'm sure I'm missing some states. It's sort of the
off year elections. Republicans are gonna win in Louisiana. We'll
see what happens with the legislature. You know, I actually
watched the videos, by the way, Buck of that crazy
state representative, the porn videos. They they aren't just wait
(32:44):
what the Virginia House delegate Canada who was making they
got sent to me and uh and I did the research.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I clicked on him like this is not this is
not like hey.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Like tasteful nudity, right, this is not like even Playboy
centerfold back in the day.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
This is like really graphic.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I can't believe that anyone would ever run for political
office who made these videos crazy so that they got
the elections going on in the state of Virginia, and
then in Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
You have got this is big, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I mean, I want everybody listening to me in the
entire state of Kentucky to sit up and take notice.
Right now, there has been almost no one, as we
have talked about on this show, who has been held
accountable for his or her failures on COVID. Andy Basher,
the governor of Kentucky, was an unmitigated disaster on COVID.
(33:43):
He was a tyrant. He is running for reelection in
a red state. Y'all have to rise up and kick
his ass in Kentucky. I'm sorry, Daniel Cameron has to
win this race, and it's gonna be right in the march. Buck,
because evidently no incumbent can be held responsible for screwing up.
(34:05):
I lived in Tennessee. I went to Louisville in May
of twenty one, and I went up at a great time,
went to Buffalo Trace. May have had a lot of bourbon.
Incredible trip Buffalo Trace Distillery. Awesome time. Buck, Louisville. They
basically shut down the whole city of Louisville because of
(34:26):
Andy Basheer. You got screwed if you lived in Kentucky
because Andy Basheer was your governor, you better be working
your ass off to vote for Daniel Cameron if you're
listening to us right now in Kentucky. And Andy Basheer
has to be beaten. I'm fire up about this race.
It's the most consequential, closest race probably that's gonna happen
(34:48):
in November anywhere in the country, and Daniel Cameron has
to win. I thought Clay and I were going to
have a conversation about in a one v one match,
what is the scariest animal that we could beat in
a fight to the death each one of us about
serious political issues end of the show. I was thinking,
because there are people out there, for example, that you know,
(35:09):
talking crazy talk, they think they could beat a ten
foot alligator, we.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Should have this conversation tomorrow. I think I could. I
think I could kill an alligator.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You think you could take a ten foot alligator alligator
on on land, not water? You're your toast, you have
no shot on land. I think I could take. I
think I could take a five to six foot alligator.
And here's my theory on why I think I could
beat the alligator. I've studied this. You flip the alligator over.
(35:37):
This is big alligators. A lot of people don't know this,
and I might save somebody's life in Florida right now.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
You know they can't open their mouths very well. The
musculature is very weak.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's right, This is this is this is how I
would win you. Yes, bucked, you're right, But did you
know if you can flip a gator over, you get
them on their back, they go to sleep. If you
hold they can't. I swear this is true. I swear
this is you.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Hold their mouth.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
They can't open your mouth if you hold it, and
then you get them on their back, they go to sleep.
And then I would just go, like the people's elbow
right on the unprotected undercarriage of the alligator, over and
over and over again until I killed them. I would
go as long as I needed to elbow elbow, elbow
right in the mid section. I think I could kill
(36:24):
a five or six foot alligator that way.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Five or six feet maybe, but we're really we really
got to get into the eight to ten foot range.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
No, I would use that battle. But I say I
could kill a five to six foot alligator.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
I mean I could kill a two foot long Great
white shark probably, But that doesn't mean I could take
like a real great white shark.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well, but you could like No, but you could throw
the great white shark. If you grab the tail, you
could just throw it out of water and it would
it would die, right, I'm talking show. Flip them over,
they go to sleep, elbow mid section.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
That's the wind.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, our number three.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We talked about the fact that Donald Trump has now
moved to the top of the overall odds markets to
be elected president of the United States in twenty twenty four.
There are a lot of different storylines to follow and
be associated with there, but a big part of this
(00:38):
is what's going to happen with the third party process.
And we say this, by the way, on the eve
of the second Republican primary debate, which will be taken
place in California at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, and
that we know Donald Trump will not be involved in.
But big story out there is that there may be
a third party, and in particular, Robert F. Kennedy Junior
(01:02):
may be entering as a libertarian. Buck is of the
opinion and I think I would maybe sign on with
this that an RFK Junior libertarian candidacy could be a
challenge to Trump as much or more than it would
be to Biden. That will be a huge topic of debate.
But I've got to pull up right now, and among
(01:23):
my group of Twitter followers out there, about thirty percent
of you said that you would vote again. This is
on Twitter. You can go vote at Clay Travis. About
thirty percent of you said that you would vote for
Robert F. Kennedy Junior over Donald Trump. Sixty some odd
percent say for Trump, five percent say for Biden. Again,
(01:44):
that's people who follow me on Twitter. Anybody can go
vote in that poll, and that would suggest that that's
not a ridiculous proposition. That Buck may well be right
about this overall impact. But I think the biggest storyline
is Joe Biden's incompetence. And when I woke up this morning,
(02:04):
I saw this thing. This is the headline of Axios,
which does a good job with.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
A morning newsletter.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
One big thing scoop and Buck, this is not the
kind of scoop that you want associated with Joe Biden.
So this is not something where sometimes you're like, Okay,
they leaked this, they want this story out there, Scoop
Biden's don't trip plan, And I thought, well, certainly this
is a metaphor, it can't actually be what it says.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
No, no, No.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The opening paragraph President Biden and his staff are working
on an urgent project to protect his reelection bid a
don't trip strategy. Democrats, this is this is crazy. Democrats,
including some in the administration, are terrified Biden will have
(02:53):
a bad fall, with a nightmare scenario of it happening
in the weeks before the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So what are they doing?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Remember Biden tripped and fell on the stage at the
Air Force Academy. Biden is working every day with a
physical therapist to try to improve his balance.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Since his stumble in June.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Buck They put him in tennis shoes, with the idea
being it's better for him to be walking in tennis shoes,
I guess, than dress shoes, which tend to be slicker.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I'm guessing that's the theory.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And they have change and this is a big story
that I don't think has been talked about enough. They
change the stairs on Air Force One so that the
steps are shorter so he doesn't have to climb as
many stairs in order to get on the plane. Now,
the worst case scenario here, and this is sad to
even think about, is when Biden gets off Air Force One,
(03:49):
you know, and he stands up at the top of
the parapet there buck and waves as he starts to
walk down, he could trip and then there's a lot
of stairs and you bang and fall and like break
a bone and mean, he could kill himself falling down
as many stairs as there are on Air Force One,
which is crazy, But the fact that Democrats have a
top story coming out a little bit over thirty a
(04:11):
little bit less than fourteen months thirteen and a half
months from the election, where the story is Biden is
training to try to fall less. They're putting him in
tennis shoes and they've had to change the steps on
Air Force one. I don't know how they escape this storyline,
but it ain't a good storyline that they're terrified that
he's going to fall and what it could mean for
(04:33):
the twenty twenty four election. Can you believe this is real?
Like would you have ever believe that this was possible?
I mean, this is crazy. I mean it's this is
a recognition of reality. There's nothing about this that's that's strange.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I mean, this is I mean I shouldn't say there's
nothing about them writing this or this being a story
that's strange, because we can all see it of course
it's strange to have a president who's stumbling around in
this way. But I think, man, if this were this
is my my baseline assumption here for everything that we're
talking about, is if this were September of twenty twenty four,
(05:13):
I think the Democrats would be in a lot of
trouble with these numbers and Biden everything else. But it's
there's so much time here that they may be able
to at some level normalize Joe Biden and meaning normalize
his physical infirmities. I'm not convinced that Democrats remember what
(05:35):
they did with Fetterman. If you criticized his cognition issues,
you were being in You were criticizing a man for
his disability and that he's strong and and you should
encourage him to come forward and talk about you know,
the severe depression, all all of these things, and they
turn that around pretty effectively.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
At the time.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I'm not convinced that Joe Biden, I mean, this is
gonna sound crazy, and this will probably be you know,
used against me at some point in the future. I'm
not convinced that if they wheeled Joe Biden out in
a wheelchair and they're just like, hey, guys, he's gotten
a little bit weaker or whatever that Democrats would necessarily
say he can't. They just say his mind as sharp
as attack. I mean, this is what they've been saying
(06:18):
behind closed doors. We all have to understand, Clay, We're
operating in a world where for four years Democrats claimed
that there was a plot with Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin
and the Kremlin that involved tapes of prostitutes urinating on
the then president of the United States. Sorry, but that's
what the allegation was, that there was a Kremlin Putin
(06:38):
Trump plot with zero evidence to steal the twenty sixteen election.
Every person who is on TV talking about Joe Biden,
who's a Biden partisan, went along with that. So the
notion that I mean, I just think we've entered an
era of political mass hysteria. I think that, you know,
if you want to get a sense of where we are,
(07:00):
forget about Axios. Read Gustave Lebon, the the you know,
the French political philosopher who just talked about how mobs
just wants slogans, They want to be around other people,
they want chance, they want to feel like there's meaning
to their lives. You know, whatever, all this other stuff
we get into. I mean, you know, the marginal tax
rate and manufacturing, and I don't know if it really
(07:21):
moves the needle.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Is this too crazy for you?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
No, I don't think it's crazy at all, which is
why I think there's there's going to be probably tens
of billions of dollars spent over the next thirteen and
a half months to get ready for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And I think almost all.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That's going to be wasted because I don't think they
are that many people that have not already made up
their opinion, which is why I say, and this has
been my argument for a while, and if it's Trump Biden,
it's going to stay my argument. Trump can win three ways, right.
One is a third party, although third party could cut
against him too, but but I think in general a
(08:01):
third party could help Trump. Another is and I think
this is going to be true. I think a lot
less people we've got a stake bed I think on this.
I think a lot less people are going to vote
in twenty twenty four than voted in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yes, we do have a stake that on this. I
wrote this, I wrote this one down. I think the
turnout will be higher than it was in the last election.
You think it will be dramatically lower.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Hey, yeah, I think that a lot of people bought
into Biden will make America normal again. Just to be clear,
we're talking aggregate turnout. Cross reports totally.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
There're one hundred they counted one hundred and fifty six.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Million, and I'm votes in twenty twenty. I think fewer
than one hundred and fifty six million people will vote
in twenty twenty four. I'm gonna have Clay cut up
my file Mignon in little pieces, you know, and I'm
gonna have them call me like, you know, Lord Buck
or something. Go ahead, And then the third here is
exactly what they're talking about. I think that Biden could
(08:55):
have such a debilitating moment that it's impossible or anyone
with a functional brain to vote for him. And that
could be he's coming down Air Force one and he
just trips and falls, and he just bounced like.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Boom boom boom boom boom, he falls.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It could be at the at the debate, to the
extent that we have a debate that he has a
Mitch mcconoll.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
On the president tripping and falling. Are you aware this?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I mean, this is the whole the axios, Buck, this
is what I'm saying, their whole story.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I mean, I couldn't you are you are?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I'm falling and I can't get up to Joe Biden
right now?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You are? You are doing that to him.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I think that Joe Biden is so incompetent, and I
hate that the Democrats have even made this a reality
no one has ever had a discussion about. They had
to change the president shoes to try to make it
less likely that he's gonna fall. I mean this, this
is crazy talk that we're in this scenario. And this
is the analogy that I was gonna make with you, Buck.
(09:56):
Sometimes you get so close to an issue, you're gonna
find this with your book and some perfect example when
you write a book. At some point you've read your
book so many times that you can't see it with
fresh eyes. And this is an analogy that I've made before.
It's a good one. You guys steal this, all right.
(10:16):
If you are married or you have a long term girlfriend,
you steal this. Hopefully they don't listen to the show,
but you can steal this and claim it's yours, and
I wonder, I bet this has happened to you every
now and then, Buck, you're a newlywed. Every now and then,
you are out somewhere, if you are man, this has
been my experience. I've been married almost twenty years. You
are out somewhere with your wife. Maybe it's a grocery store,
(10:39):
maybe it's a mall shopping mall eight, and you're separated,
right like, maybe you go to get the milk and
she's going to get the chips or the cereal or
whatever else. Maybe you're in a bookstore and you're looking
in different sections of the bookstore and you come around
a corner and you see your wow wife.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I hope this happens to some of you, And.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
For a moment you think, oh, who's that pretty girl,
And then you're like, oh, it's my wife, because you
aren't expecting to see her, and you see her again
in a way that you did for the first time, right,
because you're used to if you're in your house, you're
used to seeing your wife.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And maybe women do this for husbands. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I don't think I'm that good looking. I doubt my
wife is like, oh, that's my husband. He's attractive, but
I know this happens for me with my wife. You
see your spouse as if you are not used to
seeing them. It takes you out of the relationship that
you're in, and you see it somewhat more objectively. The
Democrats not realize because they're so close to this reelection campaign.
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You're changing the president shoes because you're afraid that he
can't walk in normal shoes and that he's going to fall.
You're changing the steps on Air Force one because you're
afraid that he's going to trip. That's a sign if
you pull yourself out of the campaign, that you are
(12:06):
working to elect someone who is unable physically. I'm not
even talking about mentally unable physically to.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Do the job.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Pull yourself out of this crazy, myopic view where you're
writing a book and you're so close to it that
you can't see it. Crazy. Fuck, they're crazy. If this
all mattered in the.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Way that it matters to you.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You wouldn't meaning at this.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
If this was as cut and dry and clear of
an impact on the electorate, you wouldn't have Trump and
Biden effectively tied in all the national.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Polls right now.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Now, that's not good for by. I know, you can
look deeper in the data and there's a lot of
things that indicate weakness and they want different candidates and
all this. But you know, every every Democratic voted from
the last time is going to vote for from this time.
I mean, this is that is not changing with Trump
as his opponent. There is not a single person that
I can think of that I have ever spoken to
in real life who was like, yeah, I voted for
(13:05):
Biden in twenty twenty. This time around, I'm voting for
Donald James. But see what they're not gonna do is
show up. That's my theory.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I think a lot of people, because they're so invested,
they may even say I'm voting for Biden, but then
they're gonna be like, I'm not gonna go stand in
line on election.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I'm not even going to fill out this ballot.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
No one really believes who's casting a ballot for Biden
next year. No one really would believe that they're voting
for four years of Biden. They're voting for the continuation
of Democrat control with Obama advisors and policies to be implemented.
That's you know, remember in the beginning with Joe Biden.
(13:43):
It was he was a trojan horse, and now we
see he's like a figurehead, right. I mean, the trojan
horse component was I'm gonna unify the country. I'm good,
old Grandpa Joe, you can trust me. Now he's just
the vessel through which the Democrats can continue to pursue
the policies they want, really think, I mean, it's one
of the most important political essays I've read all year,
(14:04):
was that Obama factor essay that we talked about on
the show, where it was just this is a day
facto continuation of Obama's third term with some you know,
old befuddeled white dude as the president. You know, you know, technically,
but the advisors around him, and the apparatus of the
(14:24):
Democrat Party and the cabinet members and all the rest
of it is effectively Obama three point zero. And so
if that is what you're getting for a lot of Democrats,
they're like, well, let's just do Obama four point zero
in essence, without it necessarily even being Michelle Obama who's
on the ticket. It's just Joe Biden as the guy.
When was the here's the question for you, When was
(14:45):
the last time. You think Joe Biden pounded the table
in the Oval Office and made a decision that overrode
his advisers that didn't have anything to do with Hunter Biden. Yeah,
take that off the table, you know what I mean.
I don't think it's happened.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
This is why the ultimate question is who's the decider?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Ultimately, when you vote for president of the United States,
they are putting the most in you know, because you
walked into the Oval Office and briefed George w. You're
giving the most difficult decisions people, things that no one
else can figure out. You're putting them on that resolute desk.
Biden is not the decider in chief. It's actually making
(15:23):
decisions right now. It's a collective man. It's like, uh,
it's like the Paris Communes. You know, it's a bunch
of It's a bunch of people coming together and around
in the corridors of power and pushing out. Well, let's
we gotta we got to bounce for a second. Here,
we'll come back. Eight hundred two eight two two eight
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(16:06):
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Sanity in an Insane World The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Welcome Back Team eight hundred two eight two two eight
A two. I want to take some more of your
calls here in the back part of the show. You know,
we don't have time to uh play this soundby for
you right now, but we're going to play when we
come back.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Okay, Clay and I both you know. I sit here.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I do a radio show every day and I feel
like I'm surrounded by friends, well all of you listening,
but my written friends, as in books, history books all
over my studio. People can't really see them, but I have,
you know, just a wall of books, mostly history books.
I'd say seventy five eighty percent history books.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
When they start taking the historians and using the historians
to make the radical left arguments, I just feel like,
come on, man.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
You know, stay in your lane, historians.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
But they won't.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
No one stays in the lanes these days. I get that,
and I guess now Trump is a threat to democracy,
is what historians have to say.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
We need to play that, John Meacham, because you and
I are both history nerds, and you would think history
would teach these historians to have a bit of perspective,
and yet they are among the most outlandish in their
crazy hyperbole as to what's going to happen if Trump wins.
(18:00):
I want to make sure we play this for people
because I do think even by that standard, this is
this is madness, and they aren't helping things in any way. Look,
you know testosterone levels in America are down fifty percent
from when your grandfather, your great grandfather were in this country.
Do you know that overall testosterone levels have completely collapsed?
And certainly the Biden White House has the lowest testosterone
(18:22):
level of any white house in any of our lives.
I'd like to send a truckload of testosterone to the
Biden White House and whoever is currently making decisions in
the desider in chief roles, and it's not Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
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(18:58):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Bucks Show. So, I I
bet a huge percentage of you are not on TikTok.
I am I have a TikTok account. I've never posted anything.
I'm mostly there to make sure my kids don't post
crazy things. But we've got to Clay and buck TikTok account,
So if you are interested in TikTok, Buckett spent more
(19:19):
time there than I have. A lot of people evidently
are now following us on TikTok. Like you said, we've
got like fifty thousand followers or something on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I mean there are girls who do makeup tutorials who
have like six million, but we do have fifty thousand,
so that well, this.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Is why I could barely spend any time on Instagram,
because you know, I'm out there grinding away every day
for however many hours I'm working. And then you know,
some random hot chicken a bikini has like four million
Twitter followers, and I'm like, this is probably not my
probably not my place to Instagram followers probably more than
Twitter followers. Yes, yes, oh did I say Twitter? I'm
(19:56):
in Instagram. Yes, I maybe she's a scholar as well,
but yeah, I post from my own Twitter account.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Instagram.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know, I have people who post things and everything else,
but we have got a smart social media team, and
we have a take that we put up of Travis
Kelcey and Taylor Swift, and I was ripping Travis kelce
for taking money from bud Light, but worse than that,
taking money from Pfizer and trying to encourage young people
(20:23):
out there, which is the target market that they're using
and trying to reach by using Travis kelce to get
the COVID shot. My argument is, certainly, you know, if
you're a teenager twenty thirty, certainly if you're younger than twenty,
the idea that you would get the COVID shot, to
me is crazy. You actually have far more risk as
a young man than you do any benefit. So but
(20:43):
they put up a clip and it wasn't about the
COVID shot necessarily, and we got like five hundred thousand
Twitter fall I mean use on TikTok, and then we
got a strike because the Taylor Swift people evidently were
upset because we weren't being nice enough to Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Clay Clay got dinged by the swifties for hate's speech
against Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's how this all went down.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
These stories are crazy, by the way, would you have
ever believed that you would be on this show saying
Clay got dinged by the Swifties for hate speech about
Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It's a crazy world we live in, or.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And you just watched this clip, and I'm about to
play a historian clip I shared with you. Biden went
spent twelve minutes with the UAW in Michigan and then
turned around and got back on the plane. But we
mentioned that this Axios lead story was about the fact
that they have changed the steps for Air Force One.
(21:40):
You watch this video Buck the new like they're basically
putting him in the very bottom of Air Force One.
If you have ever seen that sort of majestic scene
where the president lands, comes out on Air Force one,
or walks up the steps, turns, almost always waves right
president comes out, it's a very staged affair. Hey let
(22:02):
me wave. I'm at the very top of this huge staircase.
Every single one of you listening right now has seen
that at some point in time, the idea is its
majestic Air Force One conveys the pomp, the circumstance, the
power of the United States of America. They now buck
when you see this staircase that they're putting him on
(22:24):
they're basically having him walk up like fifteen stairs and
go into the bowels of the airplane because they don't
think he can walk the stairs anymore. Again, I just
say to everyone out there, if you are a Democrat
and you are doing all of this, pull yourself out
(22:46):
of how close you are watching this and think what
are we doing? Every Democrat is thinking the choice is
between Biden and his is walker and his sippy cup
and the end of democracy. Okay, that's what they've convinced themselves.
(23:06):
Here is historian John Meetchim saying that this is basically
the end. If we don't have a Biden Democrat victory,
play ten.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
This whole election.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
The Constitution.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Think about this.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
The Constitution, if the numbers are even remotely true, is
going to come down to a couple one hundred thousand
people in five states.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
That's that's where we are. And so to some extent,
the appeal has to be if you are one.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Of these folks in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, in Arizona, if
you're there, do you want to terminate the Constitution? And
if you do, you better be sure your team's always
going to be in power.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Think just a quick wait, just a quick case here
on the terminate the constitution argument. Donald Trump at various
points when he was president, many points, and I think
it was an abuse of the law. Had federal judges
who put forward these universal one federal judge would say Nope, sorry,
President can't do that. And then you know what Trump's
(24:16):
response always was, It's not what the Obama response was,
It's not what the Biden response was. They would always
try to just do it and make someone stop.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Them from doing it.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
The Trump response was, all right, well, we'll see you
in court and we'll see if we can make it
up through the appeals process and take it to the
Supreme Court. Remember Obama lost the Supreme Court eleven out
of thirteen times on issues of basically abuse of power.
That's one part and the other part. You and I
both made this point many times. It's a critical one.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Trump was given the biggest invitation to straight up autocracy
in certainly in living memory in this country.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I mean, nothing else I think even comes close. I
mean even much more so than even in the aftermath
of nine to eleven. We were united to face an enemy.
When you're looking at a pandemic and everyone's scared of
their neighbor. The opening for autocracy there is enormous. And
while I have some criticisms of everybody involved in COVID,
including Trump, at the end of the day, he left
(25:14):
it to states to make their own decisions and did
not take it as an opportunity to be a tyrant.
And Joe Biden did take it as an opportunity to
be a tyrant. So this notion and an unconstitutional one. Yeah,
the notion that Trump is the end of the Constitution
is a hysterical nonsense and people who say it should
should honestly take take a walk, calm down.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I think from a historic perspective, Trump had an opportunity
the likes of which we have not seen since World
War Two to enact sweeping federal power, and obviously Roosevelt
did it during World War Two to even use Japanese
internment camps as an example, that was how sweeping his
power was during World War Two. Since then your point,
(26:00):
I think it makes sense. In the immediate aftermath of
nine to eleven, when we were unclear whether there might
be more attacks coming, the president to protect the country
did enact many different policies, but that was a relatively
short lived process other than World War Two. Most of
us right now, and I know there are some of
you out there that in living memory can recall the
(26:22):
World War II process, Most of us cannot. You're right,
and these historians really and this particular clip we're playing
as John Meacham, but also Michael Beschlos said, do you
remember what he said? If Republicans win in twenty twenty two,
there's going to be firing squads. I'm paraphrasing, but he
went on MSNBC and basically said, people are going to
(26:44):
be lining up and shooting people who disagree with them politically.
These people are uniquely indefensible to me, Buck, because I look,
if you're Karine Jean Pierre and you are a partisan
political shill and you go on and you make arguments
that are true, I don't appreciate it, but I understand
that it's part of the game. You always talk about
(27:05):
Senator Harry Reid lying about Miss Romney Romney and it worked,
and so that's it's unfortunate to have lies at the
heart of the political process.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But if you're a rabid partisan, that often happens.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
The whole point of being a historian and certainly one
of these public historians who goes on and talks about
the context of American history and are a unique experiment
as a republic, is that you have perspective and aren't
a prisoner of the moment to say that the Constitution
won't exist if Donald Trump is elected president?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Do we?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, I would love to hear John Meacham say, okay,
so historically, can you point me to a moment in
time where any president has been trying to put his
chief political rival in prison for the rest of his life.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
This has never happened before, so he wouldn't be able
to point to a historic moment. Isn't that a bigger.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Threat than anything that Donald Trump might do if he
were elected president?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
These people, these historians.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Frankly Buck, I mean, I get really fired up about this,
the fact that they would go on because they're leaning,
they're using their imprimature of legitimacy to argue something that
isn't entirely without defense from a historical basis.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
You know, It's like I wrote a big, dusty book
about Rutherford B. Hayes, So listen to me now. On
the future of democracy in twenty twenty three, that's kind
of how this goes.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, and they're they're treated as if they are above reproach.
I mean, I think Beschelo's saying people are gonna get shot,
lined up and shot. If I think he said, I'm
not sure we'll have another pre election after this, this should.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Be credibility destroying immediately. But this, Clay, this is all
going to why, you know, I think we have to
be so careful about analyzing the feelings and the mood
of the country from a right of center perspective. People
Democrats on the left when it comes to Trump. I mean,
they we're going now into eight years of this. They
(29:13):
have been conditioned in like Pavlovian fashion, they have been
conditioned to be terrified at the prospect of Trump being
in office again. Yeah, and that means that, you know,
it's it's a very different calculation than it would be
in a normal, you know, normal election year. You know,
would would some random Republican up against Joe Biden doddering
(29:35):
around do better? You know, I don't think we're going
to get to find out. We'll see.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Let's let's switch gears here for a second.
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Speaker 3 (30:58):
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Voice from Kentucky, mister Clay Travis, a VIP listener named Patty,
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Speaker 3 (31:36):
Love you guys.
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I'll accept that between the two of us, I would
be rainbow and unicorn connected.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I like Patty from Kentucky a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Great lady not that there's anything not that there's anything
wrong with rainbows and and unicorns.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Very popular.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
And for people out there who don't know who was
what was our caller who has the best taste in
radio on the planet, who called from Kentucky in Kentucky's
Kentucky from Kentucky and Kentucky if I remember correctly, And
by the way, Kentucky has one of probably the biggest
election in twenty twenty three because the governor is I
(32:20):
know there's elections in Virginia. I know there's elections in Louisiana.
I'm sure I'm missing some states. It's sort of the
off year elections. Republicans are gonna win in Louisiana. We'll
see what happens with the legislature. You know, I actually
watched the videos, by the way, Buck of that crazy
state representative, the porn videos. They they aren't just wait
(32:44):
what the Virginia House delegate Canada who was making they
got sent to me and uh and I did the research.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I clicked on him like this is not this is
not like hey.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Like tasteful nudity, right, this is not like even Playboy
centerfold back in the day.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
This is like really graphic.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I can't believe that anyone would ever run for political
office who made these videos crazy so that they got
the elections going on in the state of Virginia, and
then in Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
You have got this is big, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I mean, I want everybody listening to me in the
entire state of Kentucky to sit up and take notice.
Right now, there has been almost no one, as we
have talked about on this show, who has been held
accountable for his or her failures on COVID. Andy Basher,
the governor of Kentucky, was an unmitigated disaster on COVID.
(33:43):
He was a tyrant. He is running for reelection in
a red state. Y'all have to rise up and kick
his ass in Kentucky. I'm sorry, Daniel Cameron has to
win this race, and it's gonna be right in the march. Buck,
because evidently no incumbent can be held responsible for screwing up.
(34:05):
I lived in Tennessee. I went to Louisville in May
of twenty one, and I went up at a great time,
went to Buffalo Trace. May have had a lot of bourbon.
Incredible trip Buffalo Trace Distillery. Awesome time. Buck, Louisville. They
basically shut down the whole city of Louisville because of
(34:26):
Andy Basheer. You got screwed if you lived in Kentucky
because Andy Basheer was your governor, you better be working
your ass off to vote for Daniel Cameron if you're
listening to us right now in Kentucky. And Andy Basheer
has to be beaten. I'm fire up about this race.
It's the most consequential, closest race probably that's gonna happen
(34:48):
in November anywhere in the country, and Daniel Cameron has
to win. I thought Clay and I were going to
have a conversation about in a one v one match,
what is the scariest animal that we could beat in
a fight to the death each one of us about
serious political issues end of the show. I was thinking,
because there are people out there, for example, that you know,
(35:09):
talking crazy talk, they think they could beat a ten
foot alligator, we.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Should have this conversation tomorrow. I think I could. I
think I could kill an alligator.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You think you could take a ten foot alligator alligator
on on land, not water? You're your toast, you have
no shot on land. I think I could take. I
think I could take a five to six foot alligator.
And here's my theory on why I think I could
beat the alligator. I've studied this. You flip the alligator over.
(35:37):
This is big alligators. A lot of people don't know this,
and I might save somebody's life in Florida right now.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
You know they can't open their mouths very well. The
musculature is very weak.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's right, This is this is this is how I
would win you. Yes, bucked, you're right, But did you
know if you can flip a gator over, you get
them on their back, they go to sleep. If you
hold they can't. I swear this is true. I swear
this is you.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Hold their mouth.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
They can't open your mouth if you hold it, and
then you get them on their back, they go to sleep.
And then I would just go, like the people's elbow
right on the unprotected undercarriage of the alligator, over and
over and over again until I killed them. I would
go as long as I needed to elbow elbow, elbow
right in the mid section. I think I could kill
(36:24):
a five or six foot alligator that way.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Five or six feet maybe, but we're really we really
got to get into the eight to ten foot range.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
No, I would use that battle. But I say I
could kill a five to six foot alligator.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
I mean I could kill a two foot long Great
white shark probably, But that doesn't mean I could take
like a real great white shark.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well, but you could like No, but you could throw
the great white shark. If you grab the tail, you
could just throw it out of water and it would
it would die, right, I'm talking show. Flip them over,
they go to sleep, elbow mid section.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
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