December 2, 2023 • 36 mins
The cost of illegal immigration estimated at $450 billion a year. Polls show Dems and Independents disapprove of Biden's handling of immigration. The View on feminist silence on Hamas rapists. Piers Morgan draws moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas. Clay and family attend WWE Raw in Nashville.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off right now, and
let's talk about something that I think is going to
be one of the primary issues and concerns of the
entire twenty twenty four election cycle. It's going to effect
not just the presidential race, but key Senate race is
congressional races, because people realize now that, as the phrase
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has become one popular, every state is a border state.
Every town is a border town. When you have over
six million illegal entries into the country in less than
four years, that will probably be seven or eight million
by the time we find out who the next president
is and who has control of the Congress the next congress.
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When you're looking at numbers like that, everyone recognizes, or
rather anyone who's paying attention recognizes how big a challenge
it is and how big of a problem it is
for the country. But let's let's put some numbers this, Clay,
because there's a bunch of data that has just come
out in recent days. And actually, here is a Fox
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let's start with this when this is cut twenty a
Fox Business reporter who has done the math on what
does it cost the US. As you're thinking about I'm
already starting to think about Oh gosh, and I gotta
start pulling together all my stuff to file taxes for
next year because it takes for evers. It's so complicated.
What are we paying in this country? What are you
paying as the price for everything you need goes up
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all the time? What are you paying for illegal immigrants?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Play twenty We have new numbers, a new report from
the US House Committee on Homeland Security. Majority They say
the price tag per year is four hundred and fifty
one billion dollars. That is both for the housing and
care of the asylum seekers as well as those known godaways.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So we're looking at half a trillion pretty much, getting
pretty close there. That seems like it seems like a
big deal. Clay, And what I think is so funny
is not funny, but interesting is that the way the
Daily Mail, British news site posed what Texas has done.
They said Texas spent is staggering eighty six million dollars
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busing migrants to New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles
and DC. Meanwhile, places like New York City, which only
got a fraction of the migrants, are spending four billion
dollars a year twelve billion over three years is the
New York City official projection for illegal immigrants. They're cost
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their housing and they're saying, whoh, Texas spent eighty million dollars. Yeah,
I'd much rather have my state budget get hit for
eighty million and not have to worry about the problem
than have to spend four billion. You know, we're not
big numbers, guys, but these numbers are pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, the math isn't that hard to add up when
it's going out as opposed to coming in. And you know,
this is becoming a political albatross for Joe Biden. Buck
because I read a story I think on say maybe
it was yesterday saying that there's quiet momentum to basically
end the asylum rules and start to modify them so
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that you can't just claim asylum and immediately get into
the country. And that is a sign of how politically
toxic this is for Joe Biden is in his administration.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
The piece in the Wall Street Journal, I think you're
referring to have in front of me senator's top target
in border talks, tighter asylum rules for migrants. This is
what I've been pounding the table about here, not just
on this show for years because people will talk about
they'll talk about border security and they'll say the wall,
and they'll say, we need more border patrol agents, got
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to stop the fentinel, gotta deal with the cartels. All
of that is true. But if people can show up
at our border, flag down border patrol, there's people need
to understand the gotaways are separate issue. The drug cartel,
drug smuggling, that's a separate related but a separate issue.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Most of the people that are doing a legal.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Entry show up and say, hi, I have a fear
of persecution in my home country and I want asylum.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And that is it.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
That's all they have to do. And then they get processed,
they get led into the country. Maybe they get a
ticket to a pier, maybe they don't. They just told
the check in to some immigration facility on their own,
and they just disappear into the American interior.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
If you don't.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Change that clay, nothing else we do with the border matters.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
You can build a one hundred, You could have.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
A you know, a wall, a moat, you could have
all the drones and security imaginable. If you can get
waved down and say, hey, guys, I'm at a port
of entry. I'm just gonna walk in now, and you're
gonna give me asylum or just find a place where
there's you know, a space in the wall or whatever.
Then it doesn't change. Democrats realize this to your point.
(04:52):
Washington Post published just a few days ago and our
ed just with some of the numbers here showing that
Democrats are very concerned about this one. But I'll just
give you this, fifty three percent of New York Democrats
say that New York has done enough for migrants and
needs to stop the flow of New York Democrats.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, well, this is where you know that it's a
major issue. When Eric Adams and in New York City,
and when you've got all of these different big city
mayors suddenly lining up. Muriel Bowser, I think, is the
mayor of Washington, DC lining up and saying this isn't
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working for us. We've got to fix it. And I
don't think we even hardly talked about this on the
program very much. Buck, But how about the fact that
Eric Adams, who has been probably the biggest outspoken opponent
to the migrant situation in America big city mayor, got
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his top campaign fundraiser rated on the day he was
supposed to speak about the migrant crisis in DC. He
cancels everything. Then the FBI seizes his phones and his
iPad as a part of an investigation into whether or
not he's received improper campaign donations from Turkey. This to
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me again, it's not even Biden just weaponizing his Department
of Justice against the political party and opposition to him.
It's also anyone inside the Democrat Party who raises any
sort of issues with the way this thing is going.
But you're starting to see in the numbers. We talked
about the polls earlier for Joe Biden. One of the
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real issues that Biden has is he's hemorrhaging minority support, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
They are leaving the Democrat Party according to these polls,
at levels that we have not seen before. And much
of it, I think buck is in Chicago and in
New York City and in Washington, d C. And a
lot of these big cities that are overloaded with my ignorance.
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Minorities are looking around and saying, wait a minute, you're
spending billions of dollars on illegal immigrants and our communities
aren't taken care of. That's a conflict. Again, it's the
identity politics coalition of the Democrat party coming into direct
conflict with each other, and you have to pick a side.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It's white liberals in rich Democrat enclaves of the country
who are the open borders people. They're the ones who
want the open borders overwhelmingly. They'll fund organizations that maybe
have somebody who you know, is like a Latino spokesperson
or something to help with border communities, whatever it may be.
But they ultimately it is the Pelosis and the Shoomers
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of the world who want open borders.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
They want it because the donor class wants it. They
want they're on board with this. But to your point
about about minority support for it, a lot of minorities,
I think rightly. I mean when I say minorities, Black Americans,
Latino Americans and you know other groups you could put
in the same on the same side of this are
looking at You're spending billions of dollars. People aren't even
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supposed to be in the country legally, right And I
think some immigrants too even realize. Hold on a second,
I went through some process. I had to wait years,
I had to pay immigration lawyers. I could have just said, oh,
I'm scared to be in my home country.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Is it true or not?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think lying should matter. By the way, lying to
federal officials is actually a crime. Just I know, we
only enforced laws very selectively now in the new era
of America we're in. But you know, social Security card presentation, fraud,
signing documents that say you're a citizen or that you
are legally working here, these are all crimes. Lying to
immigration officials of the border that's a crime. Entering the
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US without permission, crossing our federal boundary at the southern border,
that's a crime.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
These are all violations of law. Why are we not
supposed to care.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I'm supposed to pay my taxes, but all the illegal
stuff that's going on with immigration, that's supposed to be
fine based on what based on the power needs of
Democrat's I don't sign on to that one.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I can't say that's okay with me.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I also wonder to what extent, you know, Trump did
everything that the Republican Party brain trust said he should
not do in twenty sixteen, and he won. And not
only did he win, he's increased his minority support as
people have become more aware of him and aware of
his policies. Twenty twenty now twenty twenty four. I think
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the numbers are reflecting that if Trump's the nominee, he
will have more minority support than maybe any Republican has
ever had among black voters, for instance, and certainly Hispanic
vote is increasing. I wonder if if Democrats buck ever
start to look back at these these numbers, because here's
the reality of y Can I give you some of
the numbers real, real quick? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I mean, because the Washington Post wrote this off ed
and this is why there are at least they at
least have to make the noise. This always happens in
election cycles. Democrats go, we care about the border too,
and okay, maybe this kind of They start, they start
pivoting a little bit toward the center because the country,
all the polling shows this, the country is not with
them on this open border stuff. They lie about it.
They try to come up with polls like, oh, do
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you like immigrants or not? Well, that's not what the
issue is. The issue is illegal immigration on our southern border.
That's a violation of law and exploitation of asylum okay,
majority of Democrats. Okay, this is a Fox News poll,
but earlier this month, the majority of Democrats very concerned
about border security. Quinnipiac polling this month, seventy one percent
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of Independence and thirty percent of Democrats disapproved of Biden's
handling of immigration. I say, okay, only thirty percent disapprove
of Biden overall on this seventy one percent of Independence.
That's a rough number for these Democrats going into the
election year.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Even thirty percent of your own political party disapproving of
your position on something. I mean, I think the numbers
reflect that immigration is the single weakest of all of
Joe Biden's policies in terms of independence and national response.
And so that's why they're trying to figure out a
way to take action on what's going on in our
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southern border. The challenge, and as you well know, Buck,
the challenge here is will anything get passed? Who knows?
And the problem is it takes months for the action
to have consequences in terms of border flow, and in
the meantime, we've got eight million people across the border.
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I do think one of the ultimate plays here has
been all of these people are going to come to
the country and they're likely Democrat voters, and this will
guarantee that we win elections long into the future. I
don't think there's any doubt that that is the calculus
behind why these open border policies are in many ways embraced.
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The challenge is, what if that calculus is wrong. What
if really the population is increasing and the numbers are
roughly staying the same in terms of Hispanic support for
Democrats and Republicans, hech what if as Hispanics live in
the country, they become more conservative. I'm talking about legal
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immigrants because they look around and they say, there's a
lot of craziness in the Democrat Party right now, and
I think it's going to take at some point a
This is my theory, and I've had this theory for
a while. The identity politics coalition of the Democrat Party
is not sustainable. At some point, it's going to explode
and feed on itself. Maybe Israel, the situation there is
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starting to accelerate that. But certainly we had already seen
minority voters fleeing before we even got to this situation.
And I think the border is a big reason why.
I hope so we do get excited about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
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some nonprofit that comes forward that's like, we're going to win,
we're going to win the Black American vote this year
as Republicans, or we're going to get you know, sixty
five percent of lets.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I'm just saying it never somehow never materializes, but maybe
this time around will actually make some headway.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It'll make the difference. That would be nice.
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Speaker 3 (14:11):
One of the big topics we've been discussing, frankly for
a couple of years plus on this show now is
the toxicity of identity politics. And I think a lot
of you out there listening, maybe you hadn't really noticed it,
maybe you weren't even listening to the show, because we've
certainly added a lot of people as listeners over the
nearly three years now that Buck and I have been
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doing this program together for all of you, and the
view had an interesting discussion. You may have noticed that
all these organizations that defend women, not only are they
always silent on men identifying as women in becoming women's
sports champions. Isn't it interesting that no women's groups ever
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demean or attack or an anyway comments on the idea
of a man identifying as a woman becoming a woman
of the year. What about all the awful sexual assaults,
the rapes, the depredations that have been inflicted upon Israeli
women by Hamas. There's been no condemnation by any of
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these ostensible women's rights groups. And our good friends at
the View, led by Whoope Goldberg, had a discussion about
that silence, and here's what Whoopee had to say. I
am still devastated.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
We're two months since this war has been underway by
the silence from women's group in this country about the
rape being used as an act of war in this attack,
the fact that sexual violence was used against Israeli women
in the major women's groups in.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
This country have not come out and denounced it.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
This week in Cheryl Sandberg put out a gripping video
calling for it. That violates every rule of warfare. It
is the height of immorality. And the fact that the
United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and Women Empowerment has
been silent, the You and Committee on Elimination of Discrimination
against Women has been silent, and the International me To Movement.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Had Perhaps the reason they've been silenced is for the
same reason that you just described.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
They don't want to eat well, they don't want to.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Exacerbate that's that's that's delusion. First of all, good, good
for a listen, par for bringing this up. A couple
things play. One is that the uh, the leftist institutional,
the institutional feminist left is a fraud. The institutional feminist
left is a fraud. Trust me as somebody who was
walking around in Afghanistan not too long ago, watching women
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in burkas everywhere and wondering, hey, hold on a second,
where's all the international feminist coalitions on this issue, never
mind all the horrible things they can do to women
in Afghanistan. This is before the Taliban took over, by
the way, But you know, put that aside for a moment.
Any Muslim country, by the way, where women are oppressed,
which is basically all Muslim countries, you know, they won't
talk about that. But I think she hit something. I
want to come back to this clay. She She touches
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on a very important point, which is, as we're now
being to gauge the morality of the Israeli response visa VI,
what happened from the mass casualty terror attack of Hamas. Okay, well,
let's actually have that conversation. As I said yesterday, there's
only one side that kidnaps four year olds and terrorizes
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them and uses them as leverage by threatening to murder
them in negotiations. There's only one side here, Israel, between
Israel and Hamas that engages in systematic rape campaigns to
terrify people.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's not the Israelis.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
They can't speak out, Buck because the wrong people are bad.
And again, this is what happens when the identity politics
coalition collapses. Credit to the view for actually pointing that
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Clayan Bucks. So we're talking about the big debate, global
debate that is happening every day now over the Israeli
response to Hamas's October seventh mass casualty terror attack, mass
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murder and mass rape terror attack.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And I do think that that does not get brought
into the conversation enough. I appreciate that Douglas Murray made
the point and this went very viral. We played this
for you on the show, that it is a historical
fact that there were there were high level Nazis who
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recognized that what they were doing was evil.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
They still did it.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
This is not in any way mitigating the evil of
what they did, but they recognize the evil and so
some of them had to turn to extremely high levels
of drinking. They would have to get very very drunk
before they would do some of the executions. Again, Doug
Murray talked about this and we played that clip for
you on the show, and you can then compare that
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with the reports and the audio of Hamas terrorists calling
their parents to say, I just cut the head off
of a Jew.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I'm a hero. Now, I mean the true.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Vile psychopathy that is not only celebrated by members of Hamas,
but there's broad support for Hamas inside of Gaza, which
you will also not hear very much. Now, these are
uncomfortable truths, but these are realities as well. And if
you've seen some of the videos of the Israeli hostages
being taken away to be traded and the way that
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people on the street in Gaza respond to this, you
know they basically act like you know, they're an angry,
jeering mob at these hostages who have been taken. So
Piers Morgan, who sometimes says things that I agree with,
sometimes says things that I think you're very dumb, and
I would say that to him if you were here
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on the show. We'll probably have him on at some point.
Occasionally he's right. Sometimes he's a buffoon, or I should
say his opinions I feel are deeply ignorant and very wrong.
Buffoon is You know that's a little.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Unfair, But here he is not an unintelligent guy.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
That's what I mean. That correct.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I think he's deeply wrong on some things. I'm not
saying he's a dumb guy, but I think he's right
on some things too. We've played when he's right. Here
he is though he's asking a question. I think we
should try to answer this question about when is Israel
going too far?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Place seven.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
I've been picked up this weekend by people reminding me
of tweets from twenty fourteen. Back then Israel launched a
massive bombardment of guards from response to the murder of
three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank. What happened? I'm asked,
why did I change my position? Well, haven't changed my position.
Israel committed atrocities in twenty fourteen. In my estimation, it
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was a completely disproportionate response to what had happened. It
looked more like revenge to me than a military strategy.
And President Obama told him to call it off. We'll
doing that at bombardment. And I asked, at what point
does Israel's current military strategy become the very terrorism professes
to be fighting. And today I'm beginning to ask myself
that exact same question.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Now, Clay, I could cite another British voice on this
one who has since passed away, Christopher Hitchins, who, while
again wrong on some things, understood the threat of radical
Islam very well and said that the root fallacy in
the fight against radical Islam is that the fighting against
terrorism is the cause of it, and that this is
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very popular on the left. You'll often see this, this
leftist in this country college campuses, leftists in the media.
You know, they'll say, well, for every terrist we kill,
we create one hundred more. For example, Well, what are
we supposed to do then, what is the response supposed
to be when they invade your country effectively and rape
and murder to the greatest degree they possibly can civilians.
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Then we go to the negotiating table and say, you
know what, We're going to send you more aid, We're
going to give you more money. No, you have to
go and kill them. Elon Musk just visited Israel. Here's
what he says. Cut six. He understands this moment.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
There are three things that need to happen in the
cause of the situation. I mean, there's no choice but
to kill those who insist on murdering civilians. There's no choice.
They're not going to change their mind. And then the
second thing is to change the education so that a
new generation of murderers is not trained to be murderous.
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And then the third thing, it's also very important, is
to try to build prosperity.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's basically saying you've got to fix Gaza, and it's
on Gaza to be fixed because the rock stretches far
beyond Hamas Clay to the question appears we're gonna asks
or that he's raising, when does Israel? When does the
Israeli response become terrorism? It becomes terrorism when Israel decides
they're going to kill as many civilians as they possibly can,
which they don't do, so it is not terrorism.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Now, you're one hundred percent right. And I think it's
important to point out that Elon Musk is being characterized
as an anti Semite and that there are a lot
of different brands that are pulling their advertising off of
Twitter because he has been unwilling to tiptoe up to
the truth here, which is good and evil exists, and
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I think maybe this is you know, I had this
conversation with some people around Thanksgiving. I hope some of
you did with your kids and your grandkids. The illusion
that everything is gray, that is, there is no black
and white, there is no good and evil has I
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think taken over much of the United States. And I
think it's because, by and large, and I'm curious if
you would agree with this thesis, Buck, most Americans thankfully
do not experience evil in our day to day life.
Most now. Occasionally you or your close relatives, your friends,
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your family may be a victim of some sort of
violent crime, and you may for a pen prick of
time stare into what it is to see evil in
this country. But I think most Americans we have created
a society, particularly if you are wealthy or you are
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upper middle class, where actual evil doesn't exist in your life,
and kids need to buy into the idea. I think
that they are on the side of truth and justice.
That's part of growing up, that you are going to
fight for a cause, and the cause isn't actually anything
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in the good and evil realm. It's oh my goodness,
somebody has a different opinion than me on social media,
and so they aren't able to even recognize evil when
they see it, which is scary.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
That's the critical point because when you said that, they
don't believe that there's evil. No, No, they just don't
recognize what is evil and have replaced it with fashions
and widespread trends and sort of a mass delusion theory
about things like you know, you're you're literally committing genocide,
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they will say against trans people by negating their transition
or negating their you know, their gender pronouns.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I mean, this is crazy. They believe this.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
You're actually helping bring about the end of humanity if
you don't address the imminent threat of climate change, which
is insane. I mean, these are crazy itea is. But
what they've done is that impulse that we have that
we all have as human beings, I think, to do
good and to fight against evil. They've replaced what is
good and evil in their minds, and the left adopts
a philosophy of moral relativity and collectivism. So they sign
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onto these things, they sign onto the battle against these
these great evils in their minds that in some cases
are entirely just entirely irrelevant I mean it's a phantom,
but also makes them useful Saulolynski style for the mobilization
against political opponents. And in this case, their political opponents
are people like you and me and this audience who
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recognize that Hamas are the bad guys and all this
other talk about, oh, but they're oppressed, or look at
history or it's great or whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
No, at some point, the guy who's breaking into a
house to murder the whole family and steal everything they
have is.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Just the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I don't care how he grew up. I don't care
what was done to him twenty years ago. I don't
care about you know, historical oppression or whatever. He's just
a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And you want to help that homeowner defend himself and
eliminate the for civilization.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, and increasingly, it seems to me, and we'll talk
about this some in the third hour. The left focuses
on things that are not actual crimes and treats them
as moral, morally and defensible, like this little kid painting
his face and go into a football game while refusing
to condemn actual violence. And here's the reality. Everybody before
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us was not an imbecile right. Part of I think
conservatism in general is presuming that people who lived and
died before you were not all total morons, that they
did understand some of what it was to be human.
But the entire precept of our criminal justice code, to
your point, is that we rank violence and treat violent
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crimes differently. Murder in the first degree is different than jaywalking, right,
And the punishments for crimes should be commensurate with the
quality and severity of those crimes. And we don't even
we're not able to do that in this day and age,
younger people have lost that ability.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
An un understanding of degree and severity is I think
one of the most important things that you can have
as a judgment. I mean to be able to be
a person of judgment or a nation that can exercise judgment,
who can understand that there are things that can be
broadly similar, but there are critical distinctions within them. I
give a perfect example. I mean the Soviets when they
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were running anti Us proper Ganda and don't even get
me started.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
On Oppenheimer again, that Kami Trash movie.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
But when they're running you know, propaganda, they would always
talk about America's.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
History of.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Slavery.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know, it's like, well, they're doing this in the
nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties. Why they're talking about
America's history of slavery, and anytime they would be pressed
on an issue, they would revert.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
The same thing.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
In Cuba, all the worst dictators, all the worst authoritarians,
they will find those who actually stand for freedom and
point out that they are imperfect and then say, so
we don't have to Ahmedinajod you remember him, Yeah, leader
of Iran back in the day, invited to Columbia University
in two thousand and seven. I'll never forget this. I
was still at the CIA at the time. I was
just reading about the newspapers. Akhmedinajod, president of Iran, shows
(29:44):
up at Columbia University, and you know, all those kids
are there to hear about Oh yeah, like oppression and
the Zionist entity, and we see what goes on campuses.
But they realize Hold on a second. When he was
asked about gay people in his country and opression of gays.
You know what he said, right, we don't have any
gay people.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Oh yeah, I remember that, And all.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Of a sudden, the left was like, oh, wait a second,
Wait a second, because he's an evil man representing an
evil regime, and his criticisms of the US are made
in entirely bad faith, very similar to what I see
going on with Hamas and the Palestinian cause. By the way,
all these people say, oh, you just want all the
Palestinians to die. Anyone who says that on my Twitter
mentions is a moron. I don't even engage with them
(30:24):
because of course that's not true. And if Israel wanted
every Palestinian to die in Gaza, you know what, they
could do exactly that, but they don't want to do
that because they try to act with morality. China to
build on your analogy. In its most recent one of
its most recent meetings with America, spent almost the entire
meeting in the public sphere arguing that America didn't have
(30:46):
to be accepted because of its legacy of racism. Yeah,
I mean, this is what you mean, the Hamas Israel thing,
And be like if you sat down with somebody Clay,
who's a serial killer, and you're like, why do you
kill all those people? And he's like, Clay, why did
you speed five years ago? You're a criminal too. Yeah, well,
but that's not how morality works, folks, is it. But
you look at the left. That's exactly what they're doing
now with Israel and Palestine. And when is it terrorism?
(31:08):
When Israel responds, you know when you see it, and
what they're doing is a military campaign to destroy a
terrorist entity that's a continuous threat to the Israeli people.
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Speaker 3 (32:23):
Buck. You've ever been to a WWF or a WWE
wrestling event. Did you grow up a fan of Macho Man,
Randy Savage, of Hul Cogan, Hacksaw, Jim Drug and cocob
Ware that era? That was oh Man, Ravishing, Rick Ruth, Yes,
super Fly, Jimmy snook Othough, I know things took a
very bad turn there, all those guys, the British Bulldog.
(32:48):
I love bulldogs, so that was exciting.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I did. I did grow up watching that. I
was a huge Hulk Hogan fan.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
How many people do you think listening to us right
now watched last night WWE raw. What percentage of our
audience the overlap.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Five or ten?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, I think that's probably about right. I was there
last night with my kids. They did their show from Nashville.
It is so much fun. And I was watching. I
grew up, like you did, a fan of wrestling. And
also remember, you know, I didn't pay attention for a
(33:28):
long time, and then my kids got really into it
and so we went back through all the old wrestlers
and everything else. I'm not sure anybody in entertainment is
better for their fans than wrestlings then wrestling and wrestling entertainers.
(33:49):
They're like, they are so good at the entertainment aspect
of what they do. And obviously they're athletes and they
have to be strong and physically fit and all those things.
But we had an incredible time at this event, and
it was family friendly. It was it was fantastic and
(34:11):
I was watching and I was thinking, wrestling is it
the only thing that has never really had any controversial,
you know, scandal associated with it, leaving aside like steroids
and the weightlifting and all those things. Right, but there
are no storylines that pit people against each other in wrestling.
(34:35):
It's just good and bad, right. They have the good
guy and the bad guy. Maybe back in the day
you had like the iron cheek stuff like that, but
it's very like nineteen seventies nineteen eighties Pro America and.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
What do you call the guy who's supposed to lose?
I always felt bad for the heel. The heel well,
oh no, no, no, no, the hell's the bag? I mean the
guy who just runs out there so Hulk Hogan can
body slam him ten times.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I don't even have very many of them those guys anymore.
They have people you didn't know.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I think it was pretty much everybody originally.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
The way they built these guys up was there were
the dudes who just went out there with you know,
a man KINI and you know, and like the boots
or whatever, and and would just get get crushed, you know,
just get.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Over and over again.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And you know the guy that it would be like
Hulk Hogan and he was I was like, raw, it's amazing,
Rivers T shirt.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
And then they'd be like and John from Accounting and this.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Guy would like come running out and he's got like
he's kind of pasty and looks like he hasn't worked
out much and he just gets crushed.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
They don't really have as many of those guys anymore.
I think they have pretty much. You know, both sides
are bonafide and known by the audience at this point
in time. But we also got to meet jelly Roll.
I know you have no idea who jelly Roll is, Buck,
but he is a famous country music singer. Now he
was fabulous to my kids, just an awesome time. But
(35:56):
I was actually curious how many of our listeners watch
w UE. So if you do, hop in my mentions,
his name is jelly Roll. Jelly Roll.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Wow, I mean we have a jelly Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But yeah, well he's got he's got a few lbs
that he could lose. I think he would acknowledge that.
But he won Best Album, Best New Artist I think
award at the CMAS, and uh is pretty well known
at this point. But he was fantastic. Just an awesome night.
We come back. Something that's not awesome a kid getting
ripped for not something he didn't do. Lade Travis and
(36:31):
Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off right now, and
let's talk about something that I think is going to
be one of the primary issues and concerns of the
entire twenty twenty four election cycle. It's going to effect
not just the presidential race, but key Senate race is
congressional races, because people realize now that, as the phrase
(00:23):
has become one popular, every state is a border state.
Every town is a border town. When you have over
six million illegal entries into the country in less than
four years, that will probably be seven or eight million
by the time we find out who the next president
is and who has control of the Congress the next congress.
(00:44):
When you're looking at numbers like that, everyone recognizes, or
rather anyone who's paying attention recognizes how big a challenge
it is and how big of a problem it is
for the country. But let's let's put some numbers this, Clay,
because there's a bunch of data that has just come
out in recent days. And actually, here is a Fox
(01:04):
let's start with this when this is cut twenty a
Fox Business reporter who has done the math on what
does it cost the US. As you're thinking about I'm
already starting to think about Oh gosh, and I gotta
start pulling together all my stuff to file taxes for
next year because it takes for evers. It's so complicated.
What are we paying in this country? What are you
paying as the price for everything you need goes up
(01:26):
all the time? What are you paying for illegal immigrants?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Play twenty We have new numbers, a new report from
the US House Committee on Homeland Security. Majority They say
the price tag per year is four hundred and fifty
one billion dollars. That is both for the housing and
care of the asylum seekers as well as those known godaways.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So we're looking at half a trillion pretty much, getting
pretty close there. That seems like it seems like a
big deal. Clay, And what I think is so funny
is not funny, but interesting is that the way the
Daily Mail, British news site posed what Texas has done.
They said Texas spent is staggering eighty six million dollars
(02:09):
busing migrants to New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles
and DC. Meanwhile, places like New York City, which only
got a fraction of the migrants, are spending four billion
dollars a year twelve billion over three years is the
New York City official projection for illegal immigrants. They're cost
(02:31):
their housing and they're saying, whoh, Texas spent eighty million dollars. Yeah,
I'd much rather have my state budget get hit for
eighty million and not have to worry about the problem
than have to spend four billion. You know, we're not
big numbers, guys, but these numbers are pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, the math isn't that hard to add up when
it's going out as opposed to coming in. And you know,
this is becoming a political albatross for Joe Biden. Buck
because I read a story I think on say maybe
it was yesterday saying that there's quiet momentum to basically
end the asylum rules and start to modify them so
(03:09):
that you can't just claim asylum and immediately get into
the country. And that is a sign of how politically
toxic this is for Joe Biden is in his administration.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
The piece in the Wall Street Journal, I think you're
referring to have in front of me senator's top target
in border talks, tighter asylum rules for migrants. This is
what I've been pounding the table about here, not just
on this show for years because people will talk about
they'll talk about border security and they'll say the wall,
and they'll say, we need more border patrol agents, got
(03:41):
to stop the fentinel, gotta deal with the cartels. All
of that is true. But if people can show up
at our border, flag down border patrol, there's people need
to understand the gotaways are separate issue. The drug cartel,
drug smuggling, that's a separate related but a separate issue.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Most of the people that are doing a legal.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Entry show up and say, hi, I have a fear
of persecution in my home country and I want asylum.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And that is it.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
That's all they have to do. And then they get processed,
they get led into the country. Maybe they get a
ticket to a pier, maybe they don't. They just told
the check in to some immigration facility on their own,
and they just disappear into the American interior.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
If you don't.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Change that clay, nothing else we do with the border matters.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
You can build a one hundred, You could have.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
A you know, a wall, a moat, you could have
all the drones and security imaginable. If you can get
waved down and say, hey, guys, I'm at a port
of entry. I'm just gonna walk in now, and you're
gonna give me asylum or just find a place where
there's you know, a space in the wall or whatever.
Then it doesn't change. Democrats realize this to your point.
(04:52):
Washington Post published just a few days ago and our
ed just with some of the numbers here showing that
Democrats are very concerned about this one. But I'll just
give you this, fifty three percent of New York Democrats
say that New York has done enough for migrants and
needs to stop the flow of New York Democrats.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, well, this is where you know that it's a
major issue. When Eric Adams and in New York City,
and when you've got all of these different big city
mayors suddenly lining up. Muriel Bowser, I think, is the
mayor of Washington, DC lining up and saying this isn't
(05:35):
working for us. We've got to fix it. And I
don't think we even hardly talked about this on the
program very much. Buck, But how about the fact that
Eric Adams, who has been probably the biggest outspoken opponent
to the migrant situation in America big city mayor, got
(05:55):
his top campaign fundraiser rated on the day he was
supposed to speak about the migrant crisis in DC. He
cancels everything. Then the FBI seizes his phones and his
iPad as a part of an investigation into whether or
not he's received improper campaign donations from Turkey. This to
(06:16):
me again, it's not even Biden just weaponizing his Department
of Justice against the political party and opposition to him.
It's also anyone inside the Democrat Party who raises any
sort of issues with the way this thing is going.
But you're starting to see in the numbers. We talked
about the polls earlier for Joe Biden. One of the
(06:38):
real issues that Biden has is he's hemorrhaging minority support, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
They are leaving the Democrat Party according to these polls,
at levels that we have not seen before. And much
of it, I think buck is in Chicago and in
New York City and in Washington, d C. And a
lot of these big cities that are overloaded with my ignorance.
(07:00):
Minorities are looking around and saying, wait a minute, you're
spending billions of dollars on illegal immigrants and our communities
aren't taken care of. That's a conflict. Again, it's the
identity politics coalition of the Democrat party coming into direct
conflict with each other, and you have to pick a side.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It's white liberals in rich Democrat enclaves of the country
who are the open borders people. They're the ones who
want the open borders overwhelmingly. They'll fund organizations that maybe
have somebody who you know, is like a Latino spokesperson
or something to help with border communities, whatever it may be.
But they ultimately it is the Pelosis and the Shoomers
(07:43):
of the world who want open borders.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
They want it because the donor class wants it. They
want they're on board with this. But to your point
about about minority support for it, a lot of minorities,
I think rightly. I mean when I say minorities, Black Americans,
Latino Americans and you know other groups you could put
in the same on the same side of this are
looking at You're spending billions of dollars. People aren't even
(08:07):
supposed to be in the country legally, right And I
think some immigrants too even realize. Hold on a second,
I went through some process. I had to wait years,
I had to pay immigration lawyers. I could have just said, oh,
I'm scared to be in my home country.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Is it true or not?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think lying should matter. By the way, lying to
federal officials is actually a crime. Just I know, we
only enforced laws very selectively now in the new era
of America we're in. But you know, social Security card presentation, fraud,
signing documents that say you're a citizen or that you
are legally working here, these are all crimes. Lying to
immigration officials of the border that's a crime. Entering the
(08:42):
US without permission, crossing our federal boundary at the southern border,
that's a crime.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
These are all violations of law. Why are we not
supposed to care.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I'm supposed to pay my taxes, but all the illegal
stuff that's going on with immigration, that's supposed to be
fine based on what based on the power needs of
Democrat's I don't sign on to that one.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I can't say that's okay with me.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I also wonder to what extent, you know, Trump did
everything that the Republican Party brain trust said he should
not do in twenty sixteen, and he won. And not
only did he win, he's increased his minority support as
people have become more aware of him and aware of
his policies. Twenty twenty now twenty twenty four. I think
(09:28):
the numbers are reflecting that if Trump's the nominee, he
will have more minority support than maybe any Republican has
ever had among black voters, for instance, and certainly Hispanic
vote is increasing. I wonder if if Democrats buck ever
start to look back at these these numbers, because here's
the reality of y Can I give you some of
the numbers real, real quick? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I mean, because the Washington Post wrote this off ed
and this is why there are at least they at
least have to make the noise. This always happens in
election cycles. Democrats go, we care about the border too,
and okay, maybe this kind of They start, they start
pivoting a little bit toward the center because the country,
all the polling shows this, the country is not with
them on this open border stuff. They lie about it.
They try to come up with polls like, oh, do
(10:11):
you like immigrants or not? Well, that's not what the
issue is. The issue is illegal immigration on our southern border.
That's a violation of law and exploitation of asylum okay,
majority of Democrats. Okay, this is a Fox News poll,
but earlier this month, the majority of Democrats very concerned
about border security. Quinnipiac polling this month, seventy one percent
(10:31):
of Independence and thirty percent of Democrats disapproved of Biden's
handling of immigration. I say, okay, only thirty percent disapprove
of Biden overall on this seventy one percent of Independence.
That's a rough number for these Democrats going into the
election year.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Even thirty percent of your own political party disapproving of
your position on something. I mean, I think the numbers
reflect that immigration is the single weakest of all of
Joe Biden's policies in terms of independence and national response.
And so that's why they're trying to figure out a
way to take action on what's going on in our
(11:08):
southern border. The challenge, and as you well know, Buck,
the challenge here is will anything get passed? Who knows?
And the problem is it takes months for the action
to have consequences in terms of border flow, and in
the meantime, we've got eight million people across the border.
(11:29):
I do think one of the ultimate plays here has
been all of these people are going to come to
the country and they're likely Democrat voters, and this will
guarantee that we win elections long into the future. I
don't think there's any doubt that that is the calculus
behind why these open border policies are in many ways embraced.
(11:50):
The challenge is, what if that calculus is wrong. What
if really the population is increasing and the numbers are
roughly staying the same in terms of Hispanic support for
Democrats and Republicans, hech what if as Hispanics live in
the country, they become more conservative. I'm talking about legal
(12:12):
immigrants because they look around and they say, there's a
lot of craziness in the Democrat Party right now, and
I think it's going to take at some point a
This is my theory, and I've had this theory for
a while. The identity politics coalition of the Democrat Party
is not sustainable. At some point, it's going to explode
and feed on itself. Maybe Israel, the situation there is
(12:35):
starting to accelerate that. But certainly we had already seen
minority voters fleeing before we even got to this situation.
And I think the border is a big reason why.
I hope so we do get excited about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I feel like every election cycle and there'll probably be
some nonprofit that comes forward that's like, we're going to win,
we're going to win the Black American vote this year
as Republicans, or we're going to get you know, sixty
five percent of lets.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I'm just saying it never somehow never materializes, but maybe
this time around will actually make some headway.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It'll make the difference. That would be nice.
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Speaker 3 (14:11):
One of the big topics we've been discussing, frankly for
a couple of years plus on this show now is
the toxicity of identity politics. And I think a lot
of you out there listening, maybe you hadn't really noticed it,
maybe you weren't even listening to the show, because we've
certainly added a lot of people as listeners over the
nearly three years now that Buck and I have been
(14:32):
doing this program together for all of you, and the
view had an interesting discussion. You may have noticed that
all these organizations that defend women, not only are they
always silent on men identifying as women in becoming women's
sports champions. Isn't it interesting that no women's groups ever
(14:56):
demean or attack or an anyway comments on the idea
of a man identifying as a woman becoming a woman
of the year. What about all the awful sexual assaults,
the rapes, the depredations that have been inflicted upon Israeli
women by Hamas. There's been no condemnation by any of
(15:20):
these ostensible women's rights groups. And our good friends at
the View, led by Whoope Goldberg, had a discussion about
that silence, and here's what Whoopee had to say. I
am still devastated.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
We're two months since this war has been underway by
the silence from women's group in this country about the
rape being used as an act of war in this attack,
the fact that sexual violence was used against Israeli women
in the major women's groups in.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
This country have not come out and denounced it.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
This week in Cheryl Sandberg put out a gripping video
calling for it. That violates every rule of warfare. It
is the height of immorality. And the fact that the
United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and Women Empowerment has
been silent, the You and Committee on Elimination of Discrimination
against Women has been silent, and the International me To Movement.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Had Perhaps the reason they've been silenced is for the
same reason that you just described.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
They don't want to eat well, they don't want to.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Exacerbate that's that's that's delusion. First of all, good, good
for a listen, par for bringing this up. A couple
things play. One is that the uh, the leftist institutional,
the institutional feminist left is a fraud. The institutional feminist
left is a fraud. Trust me as somebody who was
walking around in Afghanistan not too long ago, watching women
(16:35):
in burkas everywhere and wondering, hey, hold on a second,
where's all the international feminist coalitions on this issue, never
mind all the horrible things they can do to women
in Afghanistan. This is before the Taliban took over, by
the way, But you know, put that aside for a moment.
Any Muslim country, by the way, where women are oppressed,
which is basically all Muslim countries, you know, they won't
talk about that. But I think she hit something. I
want to come back to this clay. She She touches
(16:57):
on a very important point, which is, as we're now
being to gauge the morality of the Israeli response visa VI,
what happened from the mass casualty terror attack of Hamas. Okay, well,
let's actually have that conversation. As I said yesterday, there's
only one side that kidnaps four year olds and terrorizes
(17:17):
them and uses them as leverage by threatening to murder
them in negotiations. There's only one side here, Israel, between
Israel and Hamas that engages in systematic rape campaigns to
terrify people.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's not the Israelis.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
They can't speak out, Buck because the wrong people are bad.
And again, this is what happens when the identity politics
coalition collapses. Credit to the view for actually pointing that
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Clayan Bucks. So we're talking about the big debate, global
debate that is happening every day now over the Israeli
response to Hamas's October seventh mass casualty terror attack, mass
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murder and mass rape terror attack.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And I do think that that does not get brought
into the conversation enough. I appreciate that Douglas Murray made
the point and this went very viral. We played this
for you on the show, that it is a historical
fact that there were there were high level Nazis who
(19:25):
recognized that what they were doing was evil.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
They still did it.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
This is not in any way mitigating the evil of
what they did, but they recognize the evil and so
some of them had to turn to extremely high levels
of drinking. They would have to get very very drunk
before they would do some of the executions. Again, Doug
Murray talked about this and we played that clip for
you on the show, and you can then compare that
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with the reports and the audio of Hamas terrorists calling
their parents to say, I just cut the head off
of a Jew.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I'm a hero. Now, I mean the true.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Vile psychopathy that is not only celebrated by members of Hamas,
but there's broad support for Hamas inside of Gaza, which
you will also not hear very much. Now, these are
uncomfortable truths, but these are realities as well. And if
you've seen some of the videos of the Israeli hostages
being taken away to be traded and the way that
(20:27):
people on the street in Gaza respond to this, you
know they basically act like you know, they're an angry,
jeering mob at these hostages who have been taken. So
Piers Morgan, who sometimes says things that I agree with,
sometimes says things that I think you're very dumb, and
I would say that to him if you were here
(20:48):
on the show. We'll probably have him on at some point.
Occasionally he's right. Sometimes he's a buffoon, or I should
say his opinions I feel are deeply ignorant and very wrong.
Buffoon is You know that's a little.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Unfair, But here he is not an unintelligent guy.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
That's what I mean. That correct.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I think he's deeply wrong on some things. I'm not
saying he's a dumb guy, but I think he's right
on some things too. We've played when he's right. Here
he is though he's asking a question. I think we
should try to answer this question about when is Israel
going too far?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Place seven.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
I've been picked up this weekend by people reminding me
of tweets from twenty fourteen. Back then Israel launched a
massive bombardment of guards from response to the murder of
three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank. What happened? I'm asked,
why did I change my position? Well, haven't changed my position.
Israel committed atrocities in twenty fourteen. In my estimation, it
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was a completely disproportionate response to what had happened. It
looked more like revenge to me than a military strategy.
And President Obama told him to call it off. We'll
doing that at bombardment. And I asked, at what point
does Israel's current military strategy become the very terrorism professes
to be fighting. And today I'm beginning to ask myself
that exact same question.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Now, Clay, I could cite another British voice on this
one who has since passed away, Christopher Hitchins, who, while
again wrong on some things, understood the threat of radical
Islam very well and said that the root fallacy in
the fight against radical Islam is that the fighting against
terrorism is the cause of it, and that this is
(22:21):
very popular on the left. You'll often see this, this
leftist in this country college campuses, leftists in the media.
You know, they'll say, well, for every terrist we kill,
we create one hundred more. For example, Well, what are
we supposed to do then, what is the response supposed
to be when they invade your country effectively and rape
and murder to the greatest degree they possibly can civilians.
(22:43):
Then we go to the negotiating table and say, you
know what, We're going to send you more aid, We're
going to give you more money. No, you have to
go and kill them. Elon Musk just visited Israel. Here's
what he says. Cut six. He understands this moment.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
There are three things that need to happen in the
cause of the situation. I mean, there's no choice but
to kill those who insist on murdering civilians. There's no choice.
They're not going to change their mind. And then the
second thing is to change the education so that a
new generation of murderers is not trained to be murderous.
(23:19):
And then the third thing, it's also very important, is
to try to build prosperity.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's basically saying you've got to fix Gaza, and it's
on Gaza to be fixed because the rock stretches far
beyond Hamas Clay to the question appears we're gonna asks
or that he's raising, when does Israel? When does the
Israeli response become terrorism? It becomes terrorism when Israel decides
they're going to kill as many civilians as they possibly can,
which they don't do, so it is not terrorism.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Now, you're one hundred percent right. And I think it's
important to point out that Elon Musk is being characterized
as an anti Semite and that there are a lot
of different brands that are pulling their advertising off of
Twitter because he has been unwilling to tiptoe up to
the truth here, which is good and evil exists, and
(24:09):
I think maybe this is you know, I had this
conversation with some people around Thanksgiving. I hope some of
you did with your kids and your grandkids. The illusion
that everything is gray, that is, there is no black
and white, there is no good and evil has I
(24:30):
think taken over much of the United States. And I
think it's because, by and large, and I'm curious if
you would agree with this thesis, Buck, most Americans thankfully
do not experience evil in our day to day life.
Most now. Occasionally you or your close relatives, your friends,
(24:53):
your family may be a victim of some sort of
violent crime, and you may for a pen prick of
time stare into what it is to see evil in
this country. But I think most Americans we have created
a society, particularly if you are wealthy or you are
(25:14):
upper middle class, where actual evil doesn't exist in your life,
and kids need to buy into the idea. I think
that they are on the side of truth and justice.
That's part of growing up, that you are going to
fight for a cause, and the cause isn't actually anything
(25:34):
in the good and evil realm. It's oh my goodness,
somebody has a different opinion than me on social media,
and so they aren't able to even recognize evil when
they see it, which is scary.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
That's the critical point because when you said that, they
don't believe that there's evil. No, No, they just don't
recognize what is evil and have replaced it with fashions
and widespread trends and sort of a mass delusion theory
about things like you know, you're you're literally committing genocide,
(26:05):
they will say against trans people by negating their transition
or negating their you know, their gender pronouns.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I mean, this is crazy. They believe this.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
You're actually helping bring about the end of humanity if
you don't address the imminent threat of climate change, which
is insane. I mean, these are crazy itea is. But
what they've done is that impulse that we have that
we all have as human beings, I think, to do
good and to fight against evil. They've replaced what is
good and evil in their minds, and the left adopts
a philosophy of moral relativity and collectivism. So they sign
(26:39):
onto these things, they sign onto the battle against these
these great evils in their minds that in some cases
are entirely just entirely irrelevant I mean it's a phantom,
but also makes them useful Saulolynski style for the mobilization
against political opponents. And in this case, their political opponents
are people like you and me and this audience who
(27:01):
recognize that Hamas are the bad guys and all this
other talk about, oh, but they're oppressed, or look at
history or it's great or whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
No, at some point, the guy who's breaking into a
house to murder the whole family and steal everything they
have is.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Just the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I don't care how he grew up. I don't care
what was done to him twenty years ago. I don't
care about you know, historical oppression or whatever. He's just
a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And you want to help that homeowner defend himself and
eliminate the for civilization.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, and increasingly, it seems to me, and we'll talk
about this some in the third hour. The left focuses
on things that are not actual crimes and treats them
as moral, morally and defensible, like this little kid painting
his face and go into a football game while refusing
to condemn actual violence. And here's the reality. Everybody before
(27:52):
us was not an imbecile right. Part of I think
conservatism in general is presuming that people who lived and
died before you were not all total morons, that they
did understand some of what it was to be human.
But the entire precept of our criminal justice code, to
your point, is that we rank violence and treat violent
(28:16):
crimes differently. Murder in the first degree is different than jaywalking, right,
And the punishments for crimes should be commensurate with the
quality and severity of those crimes. And we don't even
we're not able to do that in this day and age,
younger people have lost that ability.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
An un understanding of degree and severity is I think
one of the most important things that you can have
as a judgment. I mean to be able to be
a person of judgment or a nation that can exercise judgment,
who can understand that there are things that can be
broadly similar, but there are critical distinctions within them. I
give a perfect example. I mean the Soviets when they
(28:58):
were running anti Us proper Ganda and don't even get
me started.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
On Oppenheimer again, that Kami Trash movie.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
But when they're running you know, propaganda, they would always
talk about America's.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
History of.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Slavery.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know, it's like, well, they're doing this in the
nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties. Why they're talking about
America's history of slavery, and anytime they would be pressed
on an issue, they would revert.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
The same thing.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
In Cuba, all the worst dictators, all the worst authoritarians,
they will find those who actually stand for freedom and
point out that they are imperfect and then say, so
we don't have to Ahmedinajod you remember him, Yeah, leader
of Iran back in the day, invited to Columbia University
in two thousand and seven. I'll never forget this. I
was still at the CIA at the time. I was
just reading about the newspapers. Akhmedinajod, president of Iran, shows
(29:44):
up at Columbia University, and you know, all those kids
are there to hear about Oh yeah, like oppression and
the Zionist entity, and we see what goes on campuses.
But they realize Hold on a second. When he was
asked about gay people in his country and opression of gays.
You know what he said, right, we don't have any
gay people.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Oh yeah, I remember that, And all.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Of a sudden, the left was like, oh, wait a second,
Wait a second, because he's an evil man representing an
evil regime, and his criticisms of the US are made
in entirely bad faith, very similar to what I see
going on with Hamas and the Palestinian cause. By the way,
all these people say, oh, you just want all the
Palestinians to die. Anyone who says that on my Twitter
mentions is a moron. I don't even engage with them
(30:24):
because of course that's not true. And if Israel wanted
every Palestinian to die in Gaza, you know what, they
could do exactly that, but they don't want to do
that because they try to act with morality. China to
build on your analogy. In its most recent one of
its most recent meetings with America, spent almost the entire
meeting in the public sphere arguing that America didn't have
(30:46):
to be accepted because of its legacy of racism. Yeah,
I mean, this is what you mean, the Hamas Israel thing,
And be like if you sat down with somebody Clay,
who's a serial killer, and you're like, why do you
kill all those people? And he's like, Clay, why did
you speed five years ago? You're a criminal too. Yeah, well,
but that's not how morality works, folks, is it. But
you look at the left. That's exactly what they're doing
now with Israel and Palestine. And when is it terrorism?
(31:08):
When Israel responds, you know when you see it, and
what they're doing is a military campaign to destroy a
terrorist entity that's a continuous threat to the Israeli people.
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Speaker 3 (32:23):
Buck. You've ever been to a WWF or a WWE
wrestling event. Did you grow up a fan of Macho Man,
Randy Savage, of Hul Cogan, Hacksaw, Jim Drug and cocob
Ware that era? That was oh Man, Ravishing, Rick Ruth, Yes,
super Fly, Jimmy snook Othough, I know things took a
very bad turn there, all those guys, the British Bulldog.
(32:48):
I love bulldogs, so that was exciting.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I did. I did grow up watching that. I
was a huge Hulk Hogan fan.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
How many people do you think listening to us right
now watched last night WWE raw. What percentage of our
audience the overlap.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Five or ten?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, I think that's probably about right. I was there
last night with my kids. They did their show from Nashville.
It is so much fun. And I was watching. I
grew up, like you did, a fan of wrestling. And
also remember, you know, I didn't pay attention for a
(33:28):
long time, and then my kids got really into it
and so we went back through all the old wrestlers
and everything else. I'm not sure anybody in entertainment is
better for their fans than wrestlings then wrestling and wrestling entertainers.
(33:49):
They're like, they are so good at the entertainment aspect
of what they do. And obviously they're athletes and they
have to be strong and physically fit and all those things.
But we had an incredible time at this event, and
it was family friendly. It was it was fantastic and
(34:11):
I was watching and I was thinking, wrestling is it
the only thing that has never really had any controversial,
you know, scandal associated with it, leaving aside like steroids
and the weightlifting and all those things. Right, but there
are no storylines that pit people against each other in wrestling.
(34:35):
It's just good and bad, right. They have the good
guy and the bad guy. Maybe back in the day
you had like the iron cheek stuff like that, but
it's very like nineteen seventies nineteen eighties Pro America and.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
What do you call the guy who's supposed to lose?
I always felt bad for the heel. The heel well,
oh no, no, no, no, the hell's the bag? I mean the
guy who just runs out there so Hulk Hogan can
body slam him ten times.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I don't even have very many of them those guys anymore.
They have people you didn't know.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I think it was pretty much everybody originally.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
The way they built these guys up was there were
the dudes who just went out there with you know,
a man KINI and you know, and like the boots
or whatever, and and would just get get crushed, you know,
just get.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Over and over again.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And you know the guy that it would be like
Hulk Hogan and he was I was like, raw, it's amazing,
Rivers T shirt.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
And then they'd be like and John from Accounting and this.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Guy would like come running out and he's got like
he's kind of pasty and looks like he hasn't worked
out much and he just gets crushed.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
They don't really have as many of those guys anymore.
I think they have pretty much. You know, both sides
are bonafide and known by the audience at this point
in time. But we also got to meet jelly Roll.
I know you have no idea who jelly Roll is, Buck,
but he is a famous country music singer. Now he
was fabulous to my kids, just an awesome time. But
(35:56):
I was actually curious how many of our listeners watch
w UE. So if you do, hop in my mentions,
his name is jelly Roll. Jelly Roll.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Wow, I mean we have a jelly Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But yeah, well he's got he's got a few lbs
that he could lose. I think he would acknowledge that.
But he won Best Album, Best New Artist I think
award at the CMAS, and uh is pretty well known
at this point. But he was fantastic. Just an awesome night.
We come back. Something that's not awesome a kid getting
ripped for not something he didn't do. Lade Travis and
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