December 2, 2023 • 36 mins
Presidential Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy joins Clay and Buck to discuss the DeSantis-Newsom debate, how Dems will replace Biden with Newsom, why he's a better choice than Trump, whether he'd support any candidate other than Trump. Hunter Biden goes on offense. Latest update on the 5-year-old Chiefs fan who was smeared by Deadspin. Jamie Dimon says Democrats should support Haley because she's better than Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Third hour.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Clay end Buck kicks off right now.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
We've got our friend vivek Ramas Swami with us now.
He is running for president of the United States. He's
in the Republican primary right now. The Vike always appreciate
you making the time for us.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Good to be on. Man, how are you?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Pretty good? Pretty good?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I wanted to get your take first off. I mean
we're you know, we're on the cusp pier of a
debate that you won't be a part of. One of
your competitors, Ron de Santis, governor Florida, will be tomorrow
this Gavin Newsom, Ron DeSantis throwdown the blue state red
state thunderdome if you will, or you know, the big
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the big battle underway. What do you make of what
we're seeing here? How do you think it's going to go?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I don't really care one or another. I think it's
a random charade between you know. I think it's interesting
how Ron DeSantis wasn't running for president for a year
and a half while being a governor, in much the
same way that Gavin Newsom is also now not running
for president. That times what Gavin Newsom is doing. So
I think it's a nice little win for Gavin Newsom
to be able to pre bolster what will almost surely
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be the seat that he takes as the Democratic nominee
after they get their puppet Joe Biden out of the way.
I do think that we're missing the point if we
think that Joe Biden is really the nominated. Republicans who
have trained their fire on Joe Biden are missing the
point that he's not really in any meaningful sense, the
president or the nominee. He is a puppet for the
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managerial class. And so in some ways I think that
this does a great favor to providing a platform for
Gavin Newsom to be able to advance and get a
head start on that presidential campaign, but without actually having
declared it. And you know Republican establishment that once again
continues scoring a series of own goals, it doesn't surprise
me that they have failed to see that for what
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it is.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I agree with you that Joe Biden is not going
to be the nominee. Buck and I have a stake
bet over this.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I do not agree. So I think this is going
off the rails real fast, but.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Go ahead, so you may be able to come join
us on that dinner if we end up being correct.
But if you are right, and if I am right
that Joe Biden is not going to be the nominee,
you think it will be Gavin Newsome. How do they
get past Kamala Harris without being racist and sexist? And
how does the fix happen? I was debating this with
my wife the other the other day. How do they
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go about removing Joe Biden? What do you think that
process would look like? Because I agree with you that
he's not going to be the guy. How do you
see it playing out?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Well, they've already got the cards lined up a little bit.
So first of all, the Kamala Harris problem is easy.
You make a hollowed out husk of a joke of
the vice presidential role and have her dude be in
the place where she can do the least damage possible,
be the vice president, give her no responsibility. And that's
the one thing that I would say that Joe Biden
has done well is make sure that Kamala Harris doesn't
have any responsibilit So I think the less she does
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for the country some people make fun of her for
not showing up. I think that's been one of the
great national services she possibly could have done, was actually
to stay far away from anything that affected this country.
So I think that can just continue for another forty
eight years in the Democrats view, I think that's solves
the identity politic problem. Now, what about the Biden problem
to the extent that there is still a man who
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has some semblance of free will left in that in
that body. You know, what if he doesn't want to
step aside and out of the way, Well, here's the
answer to that. This is what the so called documents
investigation on Biden is all about. And a little bit
of the Hunter Biden investigations play this role too. These
are cards that I think they don't want to pull
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unless they have to. But they are what you call
in the business world a call option, right. I think
that that's a option that they can exercise is they
need to in order to get the old man out
of the way. And so that's what that documents case
is all about. And there's a little bit of a
twofer built into that because they do that even if
Biden cries foul or whatever, they already have the narrative
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set up to say that, well, they said that we
had a politicized investigation of Donald Trump in the document's case.
But see now we're just applying it even handedly. That
there is actually one rule of law that's sort of
the Merrick Garland deep state line that they have ready
to go. It legitimizes everything they're doing against Trump while
also getting Biden out of the way in one fell swoop.
And so I think that's kind of how the managerial
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class deep state operates. It operates and transcends above the
lines of traditional partisanship. And so they'll just close the
loop in both addressing the allegations of politicization of the
justice system while using that very justice system or in
justice system as the case may be, to sideline Biden
and achieve the actual goals of the manual class that
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has lost or will have lost their use for Biden.
So mark my words, or maybe I should say our
words on that we're on the same at least one
of us is on the side of this, and I
think it'll be in the next three to four months
if this happens, and all give you a very specific
prediction on timing what they're waiting for is for the
Trump trials to begin, and that's really when they'll be
able to slip that in while minimizing the fallout from it,
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because their bet is that he'll be almost the runaway
nominee by then, wait for his trials to begin and
then and then roll that out. I think that's what
the establishment in the managerial class of the Democratic Party
is currently thinking.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Speaking of a Viake Ramaswami, he is running for president
and Vivek, you've you've got some interesting numbers looking forward
here into Iowa and New Hampshire. What is your pathway
here and and why at this point, I mean, you're
still still very much in the mix. Why at this
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point should it be you and not just Donald Trump,
who's out thirty points forty points depending on the poll,
ahead of the pack.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So, look, I think it's going to take a leader
from the next generation to do this. I think you
get to be an outsider one. And unlike the other
candidates who are trying to Monday Morning quarterback Trump, after
kissing his feet and begging for money and endorsement for years,
on the other way around, I have not been kissing
Donald Trump's feet, but I respect his legacy and I
think that he's been an excellent president. But I think
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it's going to take somebody from the next generation now
to take that America First movement to the next level.
And if you look at there are certain things I've
issues I've espoused in this race. I mean from being
open about the fact that Ukraine is not some democracy
and our own taxpayer money is funding the persecution of
Christians in Ukraine, or the persecution of Christians in Armenia,
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or for that matter, the fact that we need to
shut down agencies like the FBI, or that Ron McDaniel
needs to be fired, or the fact that the climate
change agenda is a hoax, and one of the Iowa's
specific issues a carbon capture pipeline that they're using and
building across the state, using eminent domain to seize the
land of farmers to bury carbon dioxide into the ground.
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Across any of these issues, there's a reason why I'm
the only Republican candidate who's actually been able to stand
for these issues with a spine. I'm an outsider in
this race, and you know what, every politician is dancing
to the tune of their biggest donor on that debate stage.
In my case, that biggest donor is me, and I
think that's a big difference between me and the rest
of this field. I think Trump had a big element
of that, which is why I respect him. But now
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it's going to take a leader from the next generation
with fresh legs to actually reach the next generation. Forty
percent of our donors right now are first time ever
donors to the Republican Party, which is unheard of in
our party, it's normally two percent. We're bringing young people
along in droves, so I think I can win that
general election and landslide by bringing those young people along.
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I also think my past that you're asking about, I
think we're going to shock the world with what we
do in those first two primary states, including in Iowa.
So I'm undoubtedly among the major candidates right now the underdog,
but I think that's exactly where we want to be sitting.
We're going to shatter expectations in Iowa and New Hampshire,
and that's going to propel us forward to the rest
of this race. And you know, I think that having
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the expectations set where they are exactly where we want them,
you know, guys running my Iowa operation used to do
this for both of Santorum in twenty twelve and then
Ted clus in sixteen. And you know, I'm pulling ahead
of where Santorum was at this time in that race,
and he ended up winning Iowa. Santorum didn't have the
money to continue though. In my case, we've lived the
American dream. We are stopping at nothing to succeed in
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reviving this country. And so yes, I'm confident we're going
to be able to go the distance.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You've done more events. I saw you share this than anybody.
I think Ron DeSantis in second place. If you are
not correct right, let's say you don't as shatter expectations
and you're not the clear number two in Iowa or
New Hampshire. Would you consider endorsing anyone other than Donald Trump?
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Or if at some point you have to put your
support behind someone else, is it fair to say Trump
has got your support, that he would be your guy?
Or would you consider Nicki Haley or Ron DeSantis or
Chris Christy or somebody else.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I mean, I think someone like a Nicky Haley should
come nowhere within spitting distance of the White House, not
just in the presidency, but even as it relates to
touching our foreign policy and marching US into World War
three so they can make more money off of it.
So put that to one side. I've said it's been
very clear since the beginning. There's two America First candidates
in this race, and I think it needs to be
one of us that leads this country. That's Donald Trump.
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For myself, I think I'm uniquely positioned to take our
agenda further because I can reach the next generation to
do it. And you know what, so I expect Donald
Trump's full support if I'm the nominee, and he'll have
my full support if he is a nominee. But I
think that's got to be an America First candidate. And
there's really only two of them in this race, and
I think both of us can win a general. But
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I think I could do this in a landslide, and
I can do this in a way that frankly goes
further with our own agenda because we're going to bring
that next generation along. We're already seeing that in this campaign,
and I think that's the way I'm going to lead
this country as well. So I've been crystal clear about that.
I think it's answer to your questions, not even close.
It's either Trump or myself.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Okay, So we had Chris Christy on Wednesday and I
asked him the same question, and he said, obviously he's
very anti Trump. He specifically said that he wouldn't support you.
He said he would support Nicki Haley or Ron DeSantis.
Mitt Romney basically said the same thing. Why do you
think Chris Christy and Mitt Romney have that perspective? And
(10:26):
I'm curious, given that Mitt Romney was the nominee in
twenty twelve, can you think of a bigger Republican turncoat
than Mitt Romney.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It'd be hard I'd be hard pressed to do it.
I think that his niece, who's running the RNC, has
been an abysmal failure. Ronna Romney McDaniel, who is running
the Republican National Committee, has led us through failure after
failure after failure after failure twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty
twenty two, and twenty twenty three. Her salary is nearly
tripled in the meantime, and so I called for her resignation.
So I think that that family, you know, doesn't I
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think have a lot of warm feelings towards me. But
the reason is deeper than that. It's an ideological divide
in the GOP. Do you want to go back in
the direction of Dick Cheney in believing that it's the
job of the US to serve as the global arbiter,
as the policeman of the world while a bunch of
people in the military industrial complex get to make money
doing it, from Dick Cheney to Nikki Haley to a
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lot of people on the Democratic side who are benefiting
from this financial grift of our military industrial complex as well.
Is that the direction you want to go? Or do
you want to go to a future where the US
president has a sole moral duty to the US citizens
right here at home. That's a fundamental ideological split. And
I think the Chris Christy and Mitt Romney and Karl
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Rove and Nick Cheney and Nikki Haley and Undzi Graham,
and you know, you can just put straight down the
list of that republic and establishment, Chris Sununu whatever. They're
all on one side of that ideological divide. And there
are certain day ron the Santas Is too, though sometimes
he's you know, Schrodinger is ron As. I like to
call him. You never know whether he's inside which side
of the wall he's actually on. To play on a
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physics analogy here, but yeah, I think that everybody else,
you know where they are. They're on one side of
that divide, and I think Donald Trump and I are
on the other side of that divide. And so it's
clear why that Mitt Romney, he was clear he said
he would rather vote for a Democrat in twenty twenty
four than Donald Trump. For myself, I take that as
a kind of positive endorsement, but I don't think he
meant it that way regardless. I think America First is
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the way of the future. I think we're bringing along
a suit. I was just in an event. I'm here
in rural Iowa looking at farmland on a bus. As
we're talking here, we actually just said that. Last event,
I had a number of people who were independence, one
of whom was the Libertarians that he switched over his
registration so that he's able to vote in the caucus
for us. These people are not polled. These people, I
think are going to be what allow us to shock
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the world. The set of people who are not polled
who are actually supporting us. The numbers are wild in
Iowa and in New Hampshire, Iowa in particular. That's going
to be a shock. And so I think we're going
to be successful, not only winning the nomination, but precisely
because I'm getting that back in I think I can
win the general in a landslide like what Reagan delivered
in nineteen eighty. And I know that sounds about as
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ridiculous for me to say as it did for Reagan
to say in November of seventy nine, but that's what
I think we're on track to do. And you know,
it's not just even winning the election that's the destination
for me. That's just the start line. The destination is
January twenty thirty three, when I leave this office after
two terms, what do I want to say we did.
I think we're going to shut down the deep state,
declare independence from China, keep us out of World War three,
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revive national pride in this country. And I think I'm
the single candidate who can do those things better than
anybody else. And so we're going to see this through
to the end, and I think we're going to be
successful in doing it.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The veg Ramaswami everybody but vague appreciate you being here.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Thank you, guys. Take care.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That is going to be interesting, right.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
If he's right and he's going to bring out a
lot of new voters, then that would be intriguing to see.
If he's not and he doesn't exceed expectations, I don't
know that I've seen him say anywhere else that he
would endorse Donald Trump. It's not shocking, but I think
he's the only person remaining in the race who would
endorse Trump. We'll talk about that a bit more when
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Speaker 3 (15:12):
Sexton just still wanted to touch base on this year
for a second play. Hunter Biden is out there and
he is saying he's going on offense. I'd mentioned this
movie before, and Parine Jean Pierre here is saying that,
you know, really they should just focus on the American
(15:32):
people's families and not Hunter Biden. This has to do
with his potential testimony to Congress. Play six here would you?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Hunter Biden's attorney, Abby Lowell has offered to testify, but
publicly does the White House support that when the White
House Counsel advise him and should have went get to
negotiate one of those terms on how how they should
be able to testify.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
House Republicans should should really focus on American families instead
of the president's family.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
That's what Americans want to see.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Focus on the American families in their needs and what
they want, and not the president's family.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
What do you make of all this?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I mean, first of all, I know she's saying what
she has to say there, but Hunter's saying he wants
to testify but it has to be public, and all
this wrangling.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
What is this?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I admire the hutzba from Hunter Biden, who seems to
have decided that he wants to try to start to
throw punches of his own right now. And for people
out there who are wondering, what's the difference here in
a deposition, You're not getting defended half the time, and
when you have this public hearing, correct me if I'm wrong, Buck,
(16:39):
But everybody gets five minutes to ask questions and you
basically alternate between Democrat and Republican. So all Hunter Biden
would turn into just a public mess and both sides
would be able to claim victory, and we know how
this would be covered by the media. Now, I'd still
like to see it. I still think that Hunter Biden
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is taking on a risk by being under oath to
make commentary in front of Congress. I think Vivek's answer
there was really interesting, that it's a version of what
I kind of thought might happen, but that the Democrats
are finally going to say to Joe Biden, Hey, the
gigs up. Trump's on trial. Now you've got your own
(17:21):
criminal culpability. Either we're going to have to turn our
cannons in some way on you, or you can ride
off into the sunset claim victory, say that you don't
have the health or stamina to still be president of
the United States, pardon your son, and allow yourself to
be considered the victor. I think that's a really interesting angle,
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and I could see it playing out like that. And
I then would of course invite Vivek to come out
for stakes with us and make you pay for his
steak as well, because that's.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Probably make fair fair now.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
And by the way, Vivek should be paying for all
the stakes, giving hes a billionaire, but I'd make you
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
We got a wacky update here.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
A lot of you may have seen this story because
it's gone quite viral. A kid went to the Kansas
City Chiefs game against the Las Vegas Raiders in Las
Vegas on Sunday, was shown on television. Kid had his
face painted half of it was red, half of it
was black and matched his red Chiefs jersey Travis Kelce
(19:23):
jersey and his black T shirt that was underneath that
jersey color coordinated. One of the four colors to the
Kansasity Chiefs is black and he wore a head dress
Kansas City Chiefs. You can see like a chief would
have a head dress. Picture was taken off of a
television broadcast. A website called dead Spin wrote about it
demanded that the kid be punished. Kid's mom has now
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spoken out. Story was up on Fox News, story was
up on OutKick and has gone megaviral, and she says
that the kid's grandfather and father are Native American and
that he was honoring his grandfather and his father by
being both a football fan and wearing the.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Chief's head dress to a game.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
This is just a perfect identity politics plot twist. By
the way, the reason it went viral the first time
was because of photo. The video still shot of the photo,
half of his face was black, and so sports media
members said, oh, my goodness, this is blackface. And then
when the full picture came out showing that he was
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half red faced right like painted in Chief's colors, they
then said, oh, this is awful too. Because of the
dress that he was wearing. Now the mom is saying
her son is Native American. He has been wronged by
the media coverage surrounding this. He is an elementary school kid,
and I think she's got buck one heck of a
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lawsuit now because her son has been branded a racist,
you know, bigot. First of all, he's an elementary school kid,
but now he is according to this report, the mom
is married to a Native American and the kid is
honoring his grandfather, who I believe they said, sits on
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a Native American council.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh, this is an amazing point.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I think we know that that dead Spin and whoever
the writer is a dead Spin who first put this
this post up. They had known that the what is
he like ten year old kid or something?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
He looks to me, I.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Think he's even younger than that, but yes, like like
your old kid. Yeah was in any way? You know, Look,
if it wasn't a kid who was white, who had
the face paint on, I don't think the dead Spin
would have gone after him.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now, correct, the.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Kid, you know, appears to be white, but the fact
that he has Native American heritage his father is apparently
Native American, according to the story, complicates thing from the
complicates things from the leftist intersectional point of view on
all this, it strikes me that they obviously would would
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have to defer a little bit more if they had
known about this, but they didn't know, and they went
after this this young young person.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
In a way.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Also, it's so obviously bad faith. I think that's why
people have reacted to this the way that they have.
It is so clearly done in bad faith. That you know,
the kid has red on one side of his black
and the other the team colors. We all know exactly
what's going on here. There's no person who can make
the case that this was meant to be a racial mockery,
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at least in terms.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Of the faith paint.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, he can't get in trouble for dressing up like
a chief, apparently because his dad is Native American, right,
so maybe there's there's more leeway because of that.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But no one thinks that he was doing.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Blackface and mockery of anyone of you know, anyone who
is black. And yet they did this anyway, And I
think that just goes to the mindset of the left
is always on a search and destroy mission, and I
think they're trying to push as much as they can,
as far as they can whatever the rules are that
they have here to see, well, maybe now we can
tell people, maybe we can get someone on this. You know,
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it sets like a new example of how extreme some
of these rules are that are constantly changing.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, and also intent matters, and it's like intent doesn't
matter in anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You know. The people who.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Wrote our criminal code years and years ago focus a
great deal on whether you intend to commit a crime
or not, or whether you're just engaging in neg negligent behavior.
How many people out there are legitimately wearing face paint
to change the color of their you know, otherwise skin
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right through face paint to ridicule a race at this
point in time, I mean, I mean, and honestly, nationwide,
how often does that happen?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Now?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
People might make decisions to you sometimes see this with
for instance, immigrant children, right Like, if you just suddenly
moved here from I don't know, Switzerland, and your kid
was dressing up and they were dressing up as a
black performer, maybe you don't know anything about the history
of blackface, and you're like, Okay, it's Halloween, I'm trying
to dress somebody up right. My point on this is
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intent should be all that matters. If your intent is
to be racist and to mean someone based on their race,
as we have seen frankly a lot of people do
surrounding the Israeli terror attacks, right attack people based on
their ethnicity, based on their religious based on their religion.
That should not happen and you should be rightly condemned
(24:48):
for it. But a little kid to costume, I mean,
who is actually harmed by this? And there's actually now
buck a video of the kid doing the tomahawk chop
and members of the Kansas City Chiefs joining with him
and doing the tomahawk chop on the sideline as they
often do in Arrowhead Stadium where the Kansas City Chiefs
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play to celebrate the fact that they beat the Las
Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So the players aren't.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Offended by the guy in the big little kid in
the Chiefs head dress with the painted face, they're doing
the tomahawk job with them.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I also feel like this is a reminder that to
be a truly committed leftist you have to you have
to be willing to go on a search and destroy
mission for anyone who is like having too much fun.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I think that there is a misery. There's a the
essence of the malcontent is at the heart of contemporary
American leftism. These are people who are deeply unhappy, and
when they see someone who's not from a group that
they think is victimized or protected having too much fun,
the opportunity to just crush that. I think they jumped Clay,
(26:02):
who gets mad about No, this isn't totally in a vacuum,
to be clear, Yeah, they went after this. Let's call
him eight year I don't know what his age. His
eight year old kid dressed up as the Chief and
his photos everywhere now.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But people have rallied his defense.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Same thing when you get into the Halloween costumes every
year for little kids who objects to that stuff the left,
they find reasons to say, oh, you know, you can't
dress up as particularly like the Native American costume. You
can't dress up as you know, the Native Americans from
Peter Pan or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Can't play cowboys and Indians anymore, dress up for it.
That's why I think it's so funny the left objects
to little kids dressing up as cowboys and Indians while
ridiculing anyone who doesn't accept the gender of a grown
man who decides that he's a woman, and that segues
(26:48):
into something I'm gonna be doing a little bit later
this evening, Buck. I can't wait to do it. I
think we're gonna have some of these guys on his
guests on Friday. The Daily Wire guys have made a
comedy called Lady Ballers about a group of guys that
dress up like women and claim to be a women's
basketball team in an effort to win a championship. I'm
(27:08):
in the movie. I am coaching a women's basketball team
that is getting dominated by the boys pretending to be girls.
So I don't know how my role will be perceived.
I only have a few lines, but I've never been
to a movie premiere, So I'm gonna walk the red
carpet with my wife and in the process, Riley Gaines
(27:31):
will also be there. In the process ridicule the idea
that men could decide to become women's athletes and win championships,
which is something that I think ninety percent of people
with functional brains and or sports fans agree with, but
something that most people at ESPN wouldn't say publicly because
they're afraid of being called anti trans when the reality
(27:52):
is be whatever sex you want, but just don't claim
that you're the woman of the year when you decide
to swim or compete against women in any kind of
poletic of it.
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Speaker 4 (29:16):
Find it in the Clay and Buck podcast feed, on
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you hanging out with us. We talked with Julie Kelly
an hour two. We talked with Vivek Ramaswami at the
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Speaker 2 (29:42):
Wanted to mention this.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
We talked about Jamie Diamond, the super i would say,
connected investment guru banker in New York City and he
also is totally enamored of Nikki Haley and he even
said on CNBC, I believe this was this morning that
(30:05):
he thought liberals should show up in the primary and
vote for Nicki Haley.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Listen to what he said. You have an election coming
up in about a year.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Ye, what do you think of the two leading candidates
right now?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
God, I'm not you know, I'm not going to tell you.
He did come out make a nice day about Nicki Helly.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
You did, I mean you were talking to Nicky very liberal?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Yes, I have even a very liberal Democrat. I urge you,
you know, help Nicki Helly too, you know, get a
choice on a Republican side that might be better than Trump.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Jamie Diamond, Liberal Democrats go out and vote, vote for
Nicki Haley. That might help her in the general. And
I do think Niki Haley, if she were the nominee,
would win a general election. But this battle for the
second spot now, and I was looking at the odds
markets and Nicki Haley has edged up to roughly even
(30:59):
with with Ron DeSantis. Now, and who's going to come
into second place in Iowa? We talked about yesterday. We
opened the show with just the raw math. I question
whether Nikki Haley could win a Republican primary against Trump.
But if there were independents as is certainly the case
in New Hampshire, and or Democrats who might show up
(31:23):
given the fact that Democrats don't have a contested primary,
that could start to get a little bit interesting, Buck,
because that would expand the number of people who might
be willing to vote. And again, given the fact that
Democrats right now are not going to have a contested primary.
It's a lot about sort of the equivalent of what
Rush said back in twenty twenty when Trump was obviously
(31:45):
running without opposition and Democrats were trying to pick their nominee,
and he suggested that some Republicans could decide to go
vote in the Democrat primaries as a part of that process.
I wonder when I hear Jamie Diamond say that whether
we might have to factor in how exactly the Republican
primaries are going to go, and whether there might be
(32:07):
more people who show up that are not traditional Republican voters.
That would be a game changer that could alter the
math in a way that maybe I hadn't thought about.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, you know, there's also.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
The third party situation that's going to factor into this, right,
I mean, there's so many competing variables. That's why when
we say things like, well, could the Biden administration's problems
with the Muslim American community cost the election? Yeah, but
there are probably twenty other things we could think about
(32:40):
that may cost them the election. Right, So it's very
hard in advance of all of this to figure out
what that one thing is likely to be. But I
do think that you're going to see a lot. I
know you'll see a lot of gamesmanship around how they're
going to try to get the most votes they need
in certain places in certain states. And remember there was
(33:01):
that effort in the twenty twenty two election. We've talked
about this to help some of the more hard right
candidates in Congress get wins this primary. Democrats spent money
to do this. People can dislike that reality, but that
is what happened. They did that, and most of the
time they ended up being victorious. I should clear something up.
(33:22):
I said that was CNBC. That's actually a New York
Times conference. You could hear people reacting and laughing in
the background there that Andrew Ross Sorkin was asking a
question of Jamie Dimond at a New York Times event.
And Buck, you're right, because that ultimately calls into question
and ridicule, how illegitimate. The argument is that democracy is
(33:43):
truly under attack, because if you really believe that, you
wouldn't be getting involved in all of these different Republican
primaries to pick the candidate that you thought was most
likely to lose to the Democrat because you would be
terrified that the candidate that you supported might actually win.
I'm not saying that Democrats are going to be organized
in that way in some form or fashion, but absent
(34:06):
a competitive primary on their own side, and in particular,
as you consider, I mean, even if they just told
us that he thinks he's bringing in a lot of
new voters to the Iowa caucuses, there probably are going
to be a lot of non traditional Republican voters showing
up as a part of Republican primaries and caucuses because
they want to be involved in the political process. But
(34:27):
there isn't a two way dynamic primary process because Joe Biden,
at least so far, has managed to avoid all challengers
that might otherwise rise up to threaten him. Although here's
a little bit of a wild card for you, buck.
We talked about Mark Cuban selling the Dallas Mavericks to
the Adolsons, the gambling family, Sheldon Adelson. What if Mark
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Cuban decided to run in the Democrat primary against Joe Biden.
Because I think Mark Cuban has sense of b that
would suggest that he's kind of a middle of the
road guy. But what if he's just super rich and
he's fed up that nobody is challenging Joe Biden, and
he decided the way to really kind of reconfigure the
(35:12):
entire primary process was to spend a billion dollars and
try to win the Democrat nomination. I don't know what
the deadlines are to file, but while some people are
focused on the idea that he might be running as
a third party, given the relationship with the Adolsons and
their relationship with Trump, could Mark Cuban be making a
play to be the Democrat nominee in twenty twenty four?
(35:36):
I mean, I can't say no, but it feels he's
basically what Bloomberg did, right, Like Bloomberg suddenly parachutes in
at the last possible moment and thinks, hey, if I
spend a billion dollars, I can win this thing.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Most of them traditionally have all done the math and
said you can't win as a third party candidate. You
need to be a major party nominee. I'm just tossing
it out there. Given the Adolson connection, could they think
to themselves, well, we're giving Mark Cuban billions of dollars,
but he's gonna potentially undercut Joe Biden in the process.
I just something to think about that I haven't seen
(36:11):
discussed anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Could you're talking about a version of Operation Chaos here,
my friend. You're talking about people making some big moves
here to play a little four DJs perhaps and make
it have.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
A big effect on the outcome of the election. Oh man,
we shall.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
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Speaker 2 (36:41):
Feels like this week is flying by.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Excited to talk to you all tomorrow and play is
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Third hour.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Clay end Buck kicks off right now.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
We've got our friend vivek Ramas Swami with us now.
He is running for president of the United States. He's
in the Republican primary right now. The Vike always appreciate
you making the time for us.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Good to be on. Man, how are you?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Pretty good? Pretty good?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I wanted to get your take first off. I mean
we're you know, we're on the cusp pier of a
debate that you won't be a part of. One of
your competitors, Ron de Santis, governor Florida, will be tomorrow
this Gavin Newsom, Ron DeSantis throwdown the blue state red
state thunderdome if you will, or you know, the big
(00:45):
the big battle underway. What do you make of what
we're seeing here? How do you think it's going to go?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I don't really care one or another. I think it's
a random charade between you know. I think it's interesting
how Ron DeSantis wasn't running for president for a year
and a half while being a governor, in much the
same way that Gavin Newsom is also now not running
for president. That times what Gavin Newsom is doing. So
I think it's a nice little win for Gavin Newsom
to be able to pre bolster what will almost surely
(01:14):
be the seat that he takes as the Democratic nominee
after they get their puppet Joe Biden out of the way.
I do think that we're missing the point if we
think that Joe Biden is really the nominated. Republicans who
have trained their fire on Joe Biden are missing the
point that he's not really in any meaningful sense, the
president or the nominee. He is a puppet for the
(01:36):
managerial class. And so in some ways I think that
this does a great favor to providing a platform for
Gavin Newsom to be able to advance and get a
head start on that presidential campaign, but without actually having
declared it. And you know Republican establishment that once again
continues scoring a series of own goals, it doesn't surprise
me that they have failed to see that for what
(01:58):
it is.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I agree with you that Joe Biden is not going
to be the nominee. Buck and I have a stake
bet over this.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I do not agree. So I think this is going
off the rails real fast, but.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Go ahead, so you may be able to come join
us on that dinner if we end up being correct.
But if you are right, and if I am right
that Joe Biden is not going to be the nominee,
you think it will be Gavin Newsome. How do they
get past Kamala Harris without being racist and sexist? And
how does the fix happen? I was debating this with
my wife the other the other day. How do they
(02:31):
go about removing Joe Biden? What do you think that
process would look like? Because I agree with you that
he's not going to be the guy. How do you
see it playing out?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Well, they've already got the cards lined up a little bit.
So first of all, the Kamala Harris problem is easy.
You make a hollowed out husk of a joke of
the vice presidential role and have her dude be in
the place where she can do the least damage possible,
be the vice president, give her no responsibility. And that's
the one thing that I would say that Joe Biden
has done well is make sure that Kamala Harris doesn't
have any responsibilit So I think the less she does
(03:02):
for the country some people make fun of her for
not showing up. I think that's been one of the
great national services she possibly could have done, was actually
to stay far away from anything that affected this country.
So I think that can just continue for another forty
eight years in the Democrats view, I think that's solves
the identity politic problem. Now, what about the Biden problem
to the extent that there is still a man who
(03:23):
has some semblance of free will left in that in
that body. You know, what if he doesn't want to
step aside and out of the way, Well, here's the
answer to that. This is what the so called documents
investigation on Biden is all about. And a little bit
of the Hunter Biden investigations play this role too. These
are cards that I think they don't want to pull
(03:44):
unless they have to. But they are what you call
in the business world a call option, right. I think
that that's a option that they can exercise is they
need to in order to get the old man out
of the way. And so that's what that documents case
is all about. And there's a little bit of a
twofer built into that because they do that even if
Biden cries foul or whatever, they already have the narrative
(04:04):
set up to say that, well, they said that we
had a politicized investigation of Donald Trump in the document's case.
But see now we're just applying it even handedly. That
there is actually one rule of law that's sort of
the Merrick Garland deep state line that they have ready
to go. It legitimizes everything they're doing against Trump while
also getting Biden out of the way in one fell swoop.
And so I think that's kind of how the managerial
(04:27):
class deep state operates. It operates and transcends above the
lines of traditional partisanship. And so they'll just close the
loop in both addressing the allegations of politicization of the
justice system while using that very justice system or in
justice system as the case may be, to sideline Biden
and achieve the actual goals of the manual class that
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has lost or will have lost their use for Biden.
So mark my words, or maybe I should say our
words on that we're on the same at least one
of us is on the side of this, and I
think it'll be in the next three to four months
if this happens, and all give you a very specific
prediction on timing what they're waiting for is for the
Trump trials to begin, and that's really when they'll be
able to slip that in while minimizing the fallout from it,
(05:10):
because their bet is that he'll be almost the runaway
nominee by then, wait for his trials to begin and
then and then roll that out. I think that's what
the establishment in the managerial class of the Democratic Party
is currently thinking.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Speaking of a Viake Ramaswami, he is running for president
and Vivek, you've you've got some interesting numbers looking forward
here into Iowa and New Hampshire. What is your pathway
here and and why at this point, I mean, you're
still still very much in the mix. Why at this
(05:45):
point should it be you and not just Donald Trump,
who's out thirty points forty points depending on the poll,
ahead of the pack.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So, look, I think it's going to take a leader
from the next generation to do this. I think you
get to be an outsider one. And unlike the other
candidates who are trying to Monday Morning quarterback Trump, after
kissing his feet and begging for money and endorsement for years,
on the other way around, I have not been kissing
Donald Trump's feet, but I respect his legacy and I
think that he's been an excellent president. But I think
(06:13):
it's going to take somebody from the next generation now
to take that America First movement to the next level.
And if you look at there are certain things I've
issues I've espoused in this race. I mean from being
open about the fact that Ukraine is not some democracy
and our own taxpayer money is funding the persecution of
Christians in Ukraine, or the persecution of Christians in Armenia,
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or for that matter, the fact that we need to
shut down agencies like the FBI, or that Ron McDaniel
needs to be fired, or the fact that the climate
change agenda is a hoax, and one of the Iowa's
specific issues a carbon capture pipeline that they're using and
building across the state, using eminent domain to seize the
land of farmers to bury carbon dioxide into the ground.
(06:54):
Across any of these issues, there's a reason why I'm
the only Republican candidate who's actually been able to stand
for these issues with a spine. I'm an outsider in
this race, and you know what, every politician is dancing
to the tune of their biggest donor on that debate stage.
In my case, that biggest donor is me, and I
think that's a big difference between me and the rest
of this field. I think Trump had a big element
of that, which is why I respect him. But now
(07:16):
it's going to take a leader from the next generation
with fresh legs to actually reach the next generation. Forty
percent of our donors right now are first time ever
donors to the Republican Party, which is unheard of in
our party, it's normally two percent. We're bringing young people
along in droves, so I think I can win that
general election and landslide by bringing those young people along.
(07:37):
I also think my past that you're asking about, I
think we're going to shock the world with what we
do in those first two primary states, including in Iowa.
So I'm undoubtedly among the major candidates right now the underdog,
but I think that's exactly where we want to be sitting.
We're going to shatter expectations in Iowa and New Hampshire,
and that's going to propel us forward to the rest
of this race. And you know, I think that having
(07:59):
the expectations set where they are exactly where we want them,
you know, guys running my Iowa operation used to do
this for both of Santorum in twenty twelve and then
Ted clus in sixteen. And you know, I'm pulling ahead
of where Santorum was at this time in that race,
and he ended up winning Iowa. Santorum didn't have the
money to continue though. In my case, we've lived the
American dream. We are stopping at nothing to succeed in
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reviving this country. And so yes, I'm confident we're going
to be able to go the distance.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You've done more events. I saw you share this than anybody.
I think Ron DeSantis in second place. If you are
not correct right, let's say you don't as shatter expectations
and you're not the clear number two in Iowa or
New Hampshire. Would you consider endorsing anyone other than Donald Trump?
(08:47):
Or if at some point you have to put your
support behind someone else, is it fair to say Trump
has got your support, that he would be your guy?
Or would you consider Nicki Haley or Ron DeSantis or
Chris Christy or somebody else.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I mean, I think someone like a Nicky Haley should
come nowhere within spitting distance of the White House, not
just in the presidency, but even as it relates to
touching our foreign policy and marching US into World War
three so they can make more money off of it.
So put that to one side. I've said it's been
very clear since the beginning. There's two America First candidates
in this race, and I think it needs to be
one of us that leads this country. That's Donald Trump.
(09:23):
For myself, I think I'm uniquely positioned to take our
agenda further because I can reach the next generation to
do it. And you know what, so I expect Donald
Trump's full support if I'm the nominee, and he'll have
my full support if he is a nominee. But I
think that's got to be an America First candidate. And
there's really only two of them in this race, and
I think both of us can win a general. But
(09:43):
I think I could do this in a landslide, and
I can do this in a way that frankly goes
further with our own agenda because we're going to bring
that next generation along. We're already seeing that in this campaign,
and I think that's the way I'm going to lead
this country as well. So I've been crystal clear about that.
I think it's answer to your questions, not even close.
It's either Trump or myself.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Okay, So we had Chris Christy on Wednesday and I
asked him the same question, and he said, obviously he's
very anti Trump. He specifically said that he wouldn't support you.
He said he would support Nicki Haley or Ron DeSantis.
Mitt Romney basically said the same thing. Why do you
think Chris Christy and Mitt Romney have that perspective? And
(10:26):
I'm curious, given that Mitt Romney was the nominee in
twenty twelve, can you think of a bigger Republican turncoat
than Mitt Romney.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It'd be hard I'd be hard pressed to do it.
I think that his niece, who's running the RNC, has
been an abysmal failure. Ronna Romney McDaniel, who is running
the Republican National Committee, has led us through failure after
failure after failure after failure twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty
twenty two, and twenty twenty three. Her salary is nearly
tripled in the meantime, and so I called for her resignation.
So I think that that family, you know, doesn't I
(10:56):
think have a lot of warm feelings towards me. But
the reason is deeper than that. It's an ideological divide
in the GOP. Do you want to go back in
the direction of Dick Cheney in believing that it's the
job of the US to serve as the global arbiter,
as the policeman of the world while a bunch of
people in the military industrial complex get to make money
doing it, from Dick Cheney to Nikki Haley to a
(11:18):
lot of people on the Democratic side who are benefiting
from this financial grift of our military industrial complex as well.
Is that the direction you want to go? Or do
you want to go to a future where the US
president has a sole moral duty to the US citizens
right here at home. That's a fundamental ideological split. And
I think the Chris Christy and Mitt Romney and Karl
(11:40):
Rove and Nick Cheney and Nikki Haley and Undzi Graham,
and you know, you can just put straight down the
list of that republic and establishment, Chris Sununu whatever. They're
all on one side of that ideological divide. And there
are certain day ron the Santas Is too, though sometimes
he's you know, Schrodinger is ron As. I like to
call him. You never know whether he's inside which side
of the wall he's actually on. To play on a
(12:01):
physics analogy here, but yeah, I think that everybody else,
you know where they are. They're on one side of
that divide, and I think Donald Trump and I are
on the other side of that divide. And so it's
clear why that Mitt Romney, he was clear he said
he would rather vote for a Democrat in twenty twenty
four than Donald Trump. For myself, I take that as
a kind of positive endorsement, but I don't think he
meant it that way regardless. I think America First is
(12:22):
the way of the future. I think we're bringing along
a suit. I was just in an event. I'm here
in rural Iowa looking at farmland on a bus. As
we're talking here, we actually just said that. Last event,
I had a number of people who were independence, one
of whom was the Libertarians that he switched over his
registration so that he's able to vote in the caucus
for us. These people are not polled. These people, I
think are going to be what allow us to shock
(12:44):
the world. The set of people who are not polled
who are actually supporting us. The numbers are wild in
Iowa and in New Hampshire, Iowa in particular. That's going
to be a shock. And so I think we're going
to be successful, not only winning the nomination, but precisely
because I'm getting that back in I think I can
win the general in a landslide like what Reagan delivered
in nineteen eighty. And I know that sounds about as
(13:06):
ridiculous for me to say as it did for Reagan
to say in November of seventy nine, but that's what
I think we're on track to do. And you know,
it's not just even winning the election that's the destination
for me. That's just the start line. The destination is
January twenty thirty three, when I leave this office after
two terms, what do I want to say we did.
I think we're going to shut down the deep state,
declare independence from China, keep us out of World War three,
(13:30):
revive national pride in this country. And I think I'm
the single candidate who can do those things better than
anybody else. And so we're going to see this through
to the end, and I think we're going to be
successful in doing it.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The veg Ramaswami everybody but vague appreciate you being here.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Thank you, guys. Take care.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That is going to be interesting, right.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
If he's right and he's going to bring out a
lot of new voters, then that would be intriguing to see.
If he's not and he doesn't exceed expectations, I don't
know that I've seen him say anywhere else that he
would endorse Donald Trump. It's not shocking, but I think
he's the only person remaining in the race who would
endorse Trump. We'll talk about that a bit more when
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Speaker 3 (15:12):
Sexton just still wanted to touch base on this year
for a second play. Hunter Biden is out there and
he is saying he's going on offense. I'd mentioned this
movie before, and Parine Jean Pierre here is saying that,
you know, really they should just focus on the American
(15:32):
people's families and not Hunter Biden. This has to do
with his potential testimony to Congress. Play six here would you?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Hunter Biden's attorney, Abby Lowell has offered to testify, but
publicly does the White House support that when the White
House Counsel advise him and should have went get to
negotiate one of those terms on how how they should
be able to testify.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
House Republicans should should really focus on American families instead
of the president's family.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
That's what Americans want to see.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Focus on the American families in their needs and what
they want, and not the president's family.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
What do you make of all this?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I mean, first of all, I know she's saying what
she has to say there, but Hunter's saying he wants
to testify but it has to be public, and all
this wrangling.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
What is this?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I admire the hutzba from Hunter Biden, who seems to
have decided that he wants to try to start to
throw punches of his own right now. And for people
out there who are wondering, what's the difference here in
a deposition, You're not getting defended half the time, and
when you have this public hearing, correct me if I'm wrong, Buck,
(16:39):
But everybody gets five minutes to ask questions and you
basically alternate between Democrat and Republican. So all Hunter Biden
would turn into just a public mess and both sides
would be able to claim victory, and we know how
this would be covered by the media. Now, I'd still
like to see it. I still think that Hunter Biden
(17:00):
is taking on a risk by being under oath to
make commentary in front of Congress. I think Vivek's answer
there was really interesting, that it's a version of what
I kind of thought might happen, but that the Democrats
are finally going to say to Joe Biden, Hey, the
gigs up. Trump's on trial. Now you've got your own
(17:21):
criminal culpability. Either we're going to have to turn our
cannons in some way on you, or you can ride
off into the sunset claim victory, say that you don't
have the health or stamina to still be president of
the United States, pardon your son, and allow yourself to
be considered the victor. I think that's a really interesting angle,
(17:42):
and I could see it playing out like that. And
I then would of course invite Vivek to come out
for stakes with us and make you pay for his
steak as well, because that's.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Probably make fair fair now.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
We got a wacky update here.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
A lot of you may have seen this story because
it's gone quite viral. A kid went to the Kansas
City Chiefs game against the Las Vegas Raiders in Las
Vegas on Sunday, was shown on television. Kid had his
face painted half of it was red, half of it
was black and matched his red Chiefs jersey Travis Kelce
(19:23):
jersey and his black T shirt that was underneath that
jersey color coordinated. One of the four colors to the
Kansasity Chiefs is black and he wore a head dress
Kansas City Chiefs. You can see like a chief would
have a head dress. Picture was taken off of a
television broadcast. A website called dead Spin wrote about it
demanded that the kid be punished. Kid's mom has now
(19:47):
spoken out. Story was up on Fox News, story was
up on OutKick and has gone megaviral, and she says
that the kid's grandfather and father are Native American and
that he was honoring his grandfather and his father by
being both a football fan and wearing the.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Chief's head dress to a game.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
This is just a perfect identity politics plot twist. By
the way, the reason it went viral the first time
was because of photo. The video still shot of the photo,
half of his face was black, and so sports media
members said, oh, my goodness, this is blackface. And then
when the full picture came out showing that he was
(20:31):
half red faced right like painted in Chief's colors, they
then said, oh, this is awful too. Because of the
dress that he was wearing. Now the mom is saying
her son is Native American. He has been wronged by
the media coverage surrounding this. He is an elementary school kid,
and I think she's got buck one heck of a
(20:52):
lawsuit now because her son has been branded a racist,
you know, bigot. First of all, he's an elementary school kid,
but now he is according to this report, the mom
is married to a Native American and the kid is
honoring his grandfather, who I believe they said, sits on
(21:15):
a Native American council.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh, this is an amazing point.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I think we know that that dead Spin and whoever
the writer is a dead Spin who first put this
this post up. They had known that the what is
he like ten year old kid or something?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
He looks to me, I.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Think he's even younger than that, but yes, like like
your old kid. Yeah was in any way? You know, Look,
if it wasn't a kid who was white, who had
the face paint on, I don't think the dead Spin
would have gone after him.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now, correct, the.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Kid, you know, appears to be white, but the fact
that he has Native American heritage his father is apparently
Native American, according to the story, complicates thing from the
complicates things from the leftist intersectional point of view on
all this, it strikes me that they obviously would would
(22:06):
have to defer a little bit more if they had
known about this, but they didn't know, and they went
after this this young young person.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
In a way.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Also, it's so obviously bad faith. I think that's why
people have reacted to this the way that they have.
It is so clearly done in bad faith. That you know,
the kid has red on one side of his black
and the other the team colors. We all know exactly
what's going on here. There's no person who can make
the case that this was meant to be a racial mockery,
(22:37):
at least in terms.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Of the faith paint.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, he can't get in trouble for dressing up like
a chief, apparently because his dad is Native American, right,
so maybe there's there's more leeway because of that.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But no one thinks that he was doing.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Blackface and mockery of anyone of you know, anyone who
is black. And yet they did this anyway, And I
think that just goes to the mindset of the left
is always on a search and destroy mission, and I
think they're trying to push as much as they can,
as far as they can whatever the rules are that
they have here to see, well, maybe now we can
tell people, maybe we can get someone on this. You know,
(23:13):
it sets like a new example of how extreme some
of these rules are that are constantly changing.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, and also intent matters, and it's like intent doesn't
matter in anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You know. The people who.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Wrote our criminal code years and years ago focus a
great deal on whether you intend to commit a crime
or not, or whether you're just engaging in neg negligent behavior.
How many people out there are legitimately wearing face paint
to change the color of their you know, otherwise skin
(23:48):
right through face paint to ridicule a race at this
point in time, I mean, I mean, and honestly, nationwide,
how often does that happen?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Now?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
People might make decisions to you sometimes see this with
for instance, immigrant children, right Like, if you just suddenly
moved here from I don't know, Switzerland, and your kid
was dressing up and they were dressing up as a
black performer, maybe you don't know anything about the history
of blackface, and you're like, Okay, it's Halloween, I'm trying
to dress somebody up right. My point on this is
(24:24):
intent should be all that matters. If your intent is
to be racist and to mean someone based on their race,
as we have seen frankly a lot of people do
surrounding the Israeli terror attacks, right attack people based on
their ethnicity, based on their religious based on their religion.
That should not happen and you should be rightly condemned
(24:48):
for it. But a little kid to costume, I mean,
who is actually harmed by this? And there's actually now
buck a video of the kid doing the tomahawk chop
and members of the Kansas City Chiefs joining with him
and doing the tomahawk chop on the sideline as they
often do in Arrowhead Stadium where the Kansas City Chiefs
(25:09):
play to celebrate the fact that they beat the Las
Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So the players aren't.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Offended by the guy in the big little kid in
the Chiefs head dress with the painted face, they're doing
the tomahawk job with them.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I also feel like this is a reminder that to
be a truly committed leftist you have to you have
to be willing to go on a search and destroy
mission for anyone who is like having too much fun.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I think that there is a misery. There's a the
essence of the malcontent is at the heart of contemporary
American leftism. These are people who are deeply unhappy, and
when they see someone who's not from a group that
they think is victimized or protected having too much fun,
the opportunity to just crush that. I think they jumped Clay,
(26:02):
who gets mad about No, this isn't totally in a vacuum,
to be clear, Yeah, they went after this. Let's call
him eight year I don't know what his age. His
eight year old kid dressed up as the Chief and
his photos everywhere now.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But people have rallied his defense.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Same thing when you get into the Halloween costumes every
year for little kids who objects to that stuff the left,
they find reasons to say, oh, you know, you can't
dress up as particularly like the Native American costume. You
can't dress up as you know, the Native Americans from
Peter Pan or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Can't play cowboys and Indians anymore, dress up for it.
That's why I think it's so funny the left objects
to little kids dressing up as cowboys and Indians while
ridiculing anyone who doesn't accept the gender of a grown
man who decides that he's a woman, and that segues
(26:48):
into something I'm gonna be doing a little bit later
this evening, Buck. I can't wait to do it. I
think we're gonna have some of these guys on his
guests on Friday. The Daily Wire guys have made a
comedy called Lady Ballers about a group of guys that
dress up like women and claim to be a women's
basketball team in an effort to win a championship. I'm
(27:08):
in the movie. I am coaching a women's basketball team
that is getting dominated by the boys pretending to be girls.
So I don't know how my role will be perceived.
I only have a few lines, but I've never been
to a movie premiere, So I'm gonna walk the red
carpet with my wife and in the process, Riley Gaines
(27:31):
will also be there. In the process ridicule the idea
that men could decide to become women's athletes and win championships,
which is something that I think ninety percent of people
with functional brains and or sports fans agree with, but
something that most people at ESPN wouldn't say publicly because
they're afraid of being called anti trans when the reality
(27:52):
is be whatever sex you want, but just don't claim
that you're the woman of the year when you decide
to swim or compete against women in any kind of
poletic of it.
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Speaker 2 (29:42):
Wanted to mention this.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
We talked about Jamie Diamond, the super i would say,
connected investment guru banker in New York City and he
also is totally enamored of Nikki Haley and he even
said on CNBC, I believe this was this morning that
(30:05):
he thought liberals should show up in the primary and
vote for Nicki Haley.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Listen to what he said. You have an election coming
up in about a year.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Ye, what do you think of the two leading candidates
right now?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
God, I'm not you know, I'm not going to tell you.
He did come out make a nice day about Nicki Helly.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
You did, I mean you were talking to Nicky very liberal?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Yes, I have even a very liberal Democrat. I urge you,
you know, help Nicki Helly too, you know, get a
choice on a Republican side that might be better than Trump.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Jamie Diamond, Liberal Democrats go out and vote, vote for
Nicki Haley. That might help her in the general. And
I do think Niki Haley, if she were the nominee,
would win a general election. But this battle for the
second spot now, and I was looking at the odds
markets and Nicki Haley has edged up to roughly even
(30:59):
with with Ron DeSantis. Now, and who's going to come
into second place in Iowa? We talked about yesterday. We
opened the show with just the raw math. I question
whether Nikki Haley could win a Republican primary against Trump.
But if there were independents as is certainly the case
in New Hampshire, and or Democrats who might show up
(31:23):
given the fact that Democrats don't have a contested primary,
that could start to get a little bit interesting, Buck,
because that would expand the number of people who might
be willing to vote. And again, given the fact that
Democrats right now are not going to have a contested primary.
It's a lot about sort of the equivalent of what
Rush said back in twenty twenty when Trump was obviously
(31:45):
running without opposition and Democrats were trying to pick their nominee,
and he suggested that some Republicans could decide to go
vote in the Democrat primaries as a part of that process.
I wonder when I hear Jamie Diamond say that whether
we might have to factor in how exactly the Republican
primaries are going to go, and whether there might be
(32:07):
more people who show up that are not traditional Republican voters.
That would be a game changer that could alter the
math in a way that maybe I hadn't thought about.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, you know, there's also.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
The third party situation that's going to factor into this, right,
I mean, there's so many competing variables. That's why when
we say things like, well, could the Biden administration's problems
with the Muslim American community cost the election? Yeah, but
there are probably twenty other things we could think about
(32:40):
that may cost them the election. Right, So it's very
hard in advance of all of this to figure out
what that one thing is likely to be. But I
do think that you're going to see a lot. I
know you'll see a lot of gamesmanship around how they're
going to try to get the most votes they need
in certain places in certain states. And remember there was
(33:01):
that effort in the twenty twenty two election. We've talked
about this to help some of the more hard right
candidates in Congress get wins this primary. Democrats spent money
to do this. People can dislike that reality, but that
is what happened. They did that, and most of the
time they ended up being victorious. I should clear something up.
(33:22):
I said that was CNBC. That's actually a New York
Times conference. You could hear people reacting and laughing in
the background there that Andrew Ross Sorkin was asking a
question of Jamie Dimond at a New York Times event.
And Buck, you're right, because that ultimately calls into question
and ridicule, how illegitimate. The argument is that democracy is
(33:43):
truly under attack, because if you really believe that, you
wouldn't be getting involved in all of these different Republican
primaries to pick the candidate that you thought was most
likely to lose to the Democrat because you would be
terrified that the candidate that you supported might actually win.
I'm not saying that Democrats are going to be organized
in that way in some form or fashion, but absent
(34:06):
a competitive primary on their own side, and in particular,
as you consider, I mean, even if they just told
us that he thinks he's bringing in a lot of
new voters to the Iowa caucuses, there probably are going
to be a lot of non traditional Republican voters showing
up as a part of Republican primaries and caucuses because
they want to be involved in the political process. But
(34:27):
there isn't a two way dynamic primary process because Joe Biden,
at least so far, has managed to avoid all challengers
that might otherwise rise up to threaten him. Although here's
a little bit of a wild card for you, buck.
We talked about Mark Cuban selling the Dallas Mavericks to
the Adolsons, the gambling family, Sheldon Adelson. What if Mark
(34:51):
Cuban decided to run in the Democrat primary against Joe Biden.
Because I think Mark Cuban has sense of b that
would suggest that he's kind of a middle of the
road guy. But what if he's just super rich and
he's fed up that nobody is challenging Joe Biden, and
he decided the way to really kind of reconfigure the
(35:12):
entire primary process was to spend a billion dollars and
try to win the Democrat nomination. I don't know what
the deadlines are to file, but while some people are
focused on the idea that he might be running as
a third party, given the relationship with the Adolsons and
their relationship with Trump, could Mark Cuban be making a
play to be the Democrat nominee in twenty twenty four?
(35:36):
I mean, I can't say no, but it feels he's
basically what Bloomberg did, right, Like Bloomberg suddenly parachutes in
at the last possible moment and thinks, hey, if I
spend a billion dollars, I can win this thing.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Most of them traditionally have all done the math and
said you can't win as a third party candidate. You
need to be a major party nominee. I'm just tossing
it out there. Given the Adolson connection, could they think
to themselves, well, we're giving Mark Cuban billions of dollars,
but he's gonna potentially undercut Joe Biden in the process.
I just something to think about that I haven't seen
(36:11):
discussed anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Could you're talking about a version of Operation Chaos here,
my friend. You're talking about people making some big moves
here to play a little four DJs perhaps and make
it have.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
A big effect on the outcome of the election. Oh man,
we shall.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
See, mister Clay, very very intriguing thoughts and processes. Let
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Speaker 2 (36:41):
Feels like this week is flying by.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Excited to talk to you all tomorrow and play is
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