A Missing 9-Year-Old, a Fallen News Anchor, and New Epstein Fallout

It’s Talkback Tuesday, and we’re diving into listener messages on a wild night of headlines. A former FOX 2 news anchor is accused of murdering her 80-year-old mother — what really happened behind closed doors? The hunt for 9-year-old Melodee Buzzard takes a darker turn as investigators uncover a trail of disguises, fake plates, and deception. Tune in for all the details.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This program features the individual opinions of the hosts, guests,
and callers, and not necessarily those of the producer, the station,
it's affiliates, or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Tuesday, November fourth, Happy election day, everyone,
and we have a stacked night of headlines. First and foremost,
we want to acknowledge the tragedy happening right now in Louisville.
There has been a very horrible plane crash. A ups

(00:41):
plane has crashed. Three have been reported dead, eleven injured.
This is an unfolding story and we just all want
to send our love and prayers to the victims, families
and friends. And we will keep you updated over the
next few hours as things develop. Because it's Talkback Tuesday,

(01:03):
and we have some new cases to cover. For example,
this former Fox News anchor, she stabbed her eighty year
old mother to death in her bed and the motive
is still very unclear. Also, we have some new developments
with this horrific Ashleigh Buzzard Melody Buzzard case. Melody obviously

(01:25):
the nine year old young girl who has been missing
her mom, not cooperating with police, and now there's been
some new developments. She has been seen on camera apparently
taking and swapping license plates on the car that she
was driving cross country with with her daughter. We know
we talked about this last night. It's that infamous road

(01:47):
trip where mom and daughter went and only mom came home.
So this is escalating and escalating quickly. Also, the alleged murderer,
Barry Murphew Morphew rather was in court yesterday and we
didn't get a chance to really cover that and his
arraignment date and what this level of media coverage is
actually doing to this case. So one of those topics

(02:10):
that we have to talk about tonight. But it's also
Talk Back Tuesday, So this is the night that we
get to sound off and hear from you. Because today,
amongst all of the craziness in the world right now,
let's all put our hands together and clap for our
beautiful Courtney Armstrong because it is her birthday today and

(02:32):
very few people, very few people deserve as much happiness
as Courtney Armstrong does. She is one of the true greats,
and I am so proud to call you a dear friend,
a sister, and man, it is a joy to get
to be here with you every night. Courtney is a
person who has seen me personally through so many of

(02:52):
life's developments, really great ones, really wealthy ones, and everything
in between. She is the one that you want in
your corner. She will be the one backing you up
in a bar fight, God forbid. She is the one
that will keep your secrets the closest and will never repeat.
She is good stock, through and through, and the kindest and,

(03:14):
let's be honest, the smartest girl we know. Right so,
prison company excluded, I'm speaking that on myself and Courtney Armstrong.
May this year ahead be filled with all the love
and happiness and joy you deserve. The best is yet
to come, and man, we're all putting on our party hats,
even in these very tenuous times. I hope everybody gets

(03:36):
who they want. As far as elected officials, whoever you
voted for, I hope they win. And you know, more
on that to come, because these are developing stories. As
I'm talking to Courtney right now, she is wearing the
greatest birthday cap, slightly phallic but totally awesome. And we
encourage everybody to put their party hats on and you

(03:59):
grab your part what are your shoes out? And you
know we all are all are proverbally proverbally, we're all
hugging you, is my point. And whether we're in person
or not, we are giving you the biggest birthday hug. So, ladies,
how was your birthday? First and foremost, it was great?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
And I really want to thank you for those unbelievably
kind words. And man, can I say back at you?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
You've been in some funky spots. We've been to places together.
We've covered many stories together. We have been in wacky
and wild, unimaginable places, and man, the tales we could tell, yeah,
but we won't it.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
And yeah, I am so thrilled to be here this
evening with you guys. That's literally the greatest pleasure that
I could imagine.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
To take the night off we did. We said a
lot and clear, honey, you just go out and just
you know, leave us behind. We got this. But I
know I would be like, okay, Tuesday, but I will
say this and then we of course will switch gears.
It's really rare to meet women or any friends later

(05:11):
in life, right, And I'm one of those that I
like to think I like, it's love at first sight,
you know, whether it's a friend or you know, you
meet a person and you're like, I'm I gonna know
you forever. And uh, you know both of you girls,
I body whether you when I tackled you the minute
we met, I was like, I like it or not,
You're gonna know me your whole life. And Courtney armstrong Man,

(05:34):
that was accurate. She was gonna be We were going
to work together for two weeks and now it's been,
you know, a bajillion years. So uh, just the gratitude
that I have for incredible friends, and I'm so grateful
for it. More of it. We all have a Courtney,
I'm strong in our corner goodness, especially on a tonight
light tonight with such tough stuff happening. Right, So this

(05:58):
is these are wild time the government remains shut down.
We are sending our heart in prayers to everyone affected
in a very deep way financially speaking. And listen, there's
this story that we just have to talk about. Even
before we get to the talkbacks. You know about this
this former Fox News anchor and the story is incredibly wild.

(06:21):
So she lives with her mom. Her name is Angie
Mock and she lives with her mother, and apparently on
Halloween night, on the thirty first of October, she was
seen by neighbors. Somebody said as a passer by that
suddenly she was outside covered in blood, and she assumed
that this neighbor needed help because here she is covered

(06:43):
in blood, and asked the neighbor to call nine to
one one. The neighbor gives her a phone and suddenly,
suddenly Angie Mock takes the phone, runs into the house
and allegedly calls authorities. Authorities show up to find her
eighty year old mother stabbed to death in the bed.
Why there's no obvious motive. You know, Angie Mack had

(07:06):
a very big career. She was, you know, an affiliate
on Fox News and was, you know, literally reading the
news that she is now reporting on. Doesn't seem to
have any sort of a criminal record. There's no historical
background between the two of them. There has not been, frankly,
any police record between mom and daughter or the dispute itself.

(07:28):
So more questions than anything. Angie Mack is now being
held on bond for one million dollars, and we don't
really have a ton of answers. But it's a really
unexpected thing, a woman who's a killer. First of all,
that's even in of itself. You know, women are typically
not the most violent of the two genders. That that
isn't a generalization, it's kind of a fact. And the

(07:51):
idea of killing your own mother at eighty years old
while she's in bed, what does this say? And you
know what a fake.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Of it right in like a psychotic break of some
kind or something. And there's another story, not to derail,
but there's another story. It's not in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Her name is.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
I think it's like Samantha Booth. She's a nanny. She's
a nanny, same situation, literally, the same kind of situation.
Freak out. She ends up killing the grandfather of the
the children she nannies wore when they went to go
check on her, covered in blood, she strips naked, she's
she strips naked.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, a total freak out. Is there something going on?
Why would this possibly be the case? I mean, this
is happening in Wichitah. Hans Is they shared a house together. Mom,
like I mentioned, was eighty years old, and Anita Avers
is her name. There doesn't seem to be any disputes
between them. Frankly they live together. You know, the accused

(08:51):
or you know, the alleged assailant is you know, was
a beloved member of society. She apparently told her neighbor
that she was defending herself, she had to save herself,
which is why this happened. Is that possible? Was this
somehow self defense? But it seems very out of character

(09:13):
based on you know, the type of person that she
seems to be on its nose. But man, this was
a real blood bath and people really need some answers. Wow.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
And the same thing with the Samantha story that I
just said, total she's a nanny, beloved and just some
sort of snap and this just happened like two days ago, Wow,
the same time. Yeah, that's why I'm like, a something I.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Didn't know that? Is that right? Yeah? I hadn't heard
that before it just happened.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I want to say this weekend, that's wild because we
kind of pulled up some stats even just looking into
the idea of family killing family, right, it is a
pretty rare occasion, and it's pretty rare that moms are
being murdered. You know, we've seen this in the menandaz
brothers for example. Right, So there was you know, alleged
sexual abuse in the home home and you know that
you know, violence and anger and rage taken out on

(10:07):
their parents. Right, There's very few examples really of metricide
or matricide is how it's referred to. It's like, I
don't know, one to two percent of the types of
homicides where you actually kill a parent. This isn't even
smaller fraction of that. It's rare.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
So that point zero zero one is what that stat
would be actually, which is is that rare? Because one
to two percent of families idea.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Of a woman killing her own mother again forty seven
years old, so this is an adult. If it's a
blood death, I mean, that's very very rare, right, And there, Yeah,
there seemed to have been something because the daughter was
taken to the hospital and checked out and you know,
treated for whatever scrapes and bruises she had happening, and

(10:56):
then was basically arrested. And you know, the bond is
very high and there's no more real information from that. Well,
I'm very interested.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, we'll obviously keep following the story of TV news
anchor Angie Mock who's been charged with, you know, stabbing
her elderly mother. This is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio.
I'm Courtney. I am lucky enough to be here with
Stephanie Leidecker and Body Movin. And I'm terribly sad to

(11:29):
update what you said, Stephanie about three people dying in
the ups plane crash near Louisville, Kentucky. It is now
four and there are eleven injuries and apparently some of
the injuries are quite critical. So we will keep you

(11:49):
up to date as this story unfolds. And in the meantime, Body,
you were going to give us some information on Ashley Buzzard.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, Ashley Buzzard is the mother of Melody Bluzzard Buzzard.
She's a nine year old that's missing out of Lompoc, California.
While Santa Barbara County Sheriff's detectives are sharing additional information
a map of the route that was taken and a
photo that includes Ashley Buzzard in their ongoing search for missing,
at risk nine year old Melody Buzzard. The Santa Barbara

(12:21):
County Sheriff's Office began investigating this case back in October fourteenth,
when a school administrator reported that Melody had been gone
from you know for a while, and deputies attempted to
locate Melody and her mother, Ashley, at the residence in Lompoc, California,
But we're only able to speak with Ashley, who provided
no verifiable explanation for Melody's whereabouts. A search of the

(12:46):
residents confirmed that she wasn't there, and Ashley has remained
uncooperative and has not confirmed Melody's location.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Or her welfare. So, Ashley Buzzard, this is the update,
Ashley Buzzard.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
You know, along with the oh that we know they
took now allegedly switched license plates on the rented car
that they rented to drive to Nebraska during the cross
country trip before returning to California without Melody. Investigators are
focusing now on the timeline between October ninth and October tenth.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So, yeah, she.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Switched plates, and they don't know where she got this
license plate that she put on the car, but when
she returned the car, the license plate that was on
the car was the one that belonged there.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Why do I have the scariest feeling when I'm thinking
about this? I mean, also a couple of details that
stuck out to me. One is that obviously they're searching
mom's house and her vehicle, et cetera. Also this you know,
storage unit which I don't love, that always sort of
has a creepy undertone to it, you know, as a reminder.

(13:52):
Dad lost his life. So you know, little little Melody's mom.
You know, she's a widow and apparently has had a
lot of tragedy and since then, her family claims that,
you know, they've really she's really kept the daughter, nine
year old Melody, from the paternal side of the family,

(14:12):
and that since her since his death, she's been struggling, right,
maybe with some mental issues. Yeah, I don't know though,
when you start taking a road trip and switching out plates,
I don't know about the mental illness, And that that
seems pretty calculated and pretty well planned. Those wigs were

(14:33):
really a catch and it's so scary, and I hope
we find her. Okay, I know me too.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
One thing I really want people to know is that
the surveillance footage now has been updated as the last
sighting of Melody, and that is October ninth, near the
Colorado Utah border and the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
are asking that if you live in the route the
route path and I'm going to tell you what that is,

(14:58):
to check surveillance camera and things like that. And that
route is Green River, Utah Penguin. It's Utah, Northwestern Arizona,
prim Nevada, which would include Las Vegas by the way
in Ranch Cucamaga, California.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So if you live in.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Those areas, please check your ring see if you've see
in a white Chevy Malibu on around October ninth, and
if you do, let the police know.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
There's a lot of chatter online about this breaking of
trafficking in some way. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I pray that is not the case. That's say for
a melodies safe return home and mom needs to step
up and start sharing. Now that's right.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Well, listen, when we come back, it is talk Back Tuesday,
so we will be hearing from you. We have stories,
we have suggestions, we have thoughts on headlines, and we
are so excited to hear what you're thinking. True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here, of course,
with my two favorite True Crime mates, Courtney Armstrong, our
very favorite birthday girl, and of course my beautiful body
move in and Taha, Sam and Adam are also in
the house, and we are celebrating Courtney all day, all night.

(16:26):
So if you have a special message or you know
something to share about your birthday, we want to hear
about it. In fact, we'll go to a talkback right now.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Hi, True Crime tonight. I just wanted to wish Courtney
a happy birthday. I could listen to your voice all day,
especially when you're narrating a story. So I hope you
have a great day and year to come.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
I am physically teared up. That is so fine.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
OK.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
So I have a fun fact about Courtney in this
beautiful voice of hers. Right, So, Corny and I have
worked in trenches as producers, like deep in the trenches,
under tables, undertable like literally finding post its that we
thought had like secret evidence and whether we were forever
like trying to crack the case and solve the murder.
And have been to really weird places doing so, and

(17:16):
really exciting places and really moving places. So you know
that becomes a real shared experience. So when we were
switching gears, I guess this was COVID, right, So we
were shooting documentaries and we were finally like having a
moment and kat was so new by the way, Katie
stands for a kitchen table, so you know, we were
finally like, oh my gosh, we're making content. And then

(17:38):
COVID happened and we got shut down, and and so
we switched gears to podcasts. Right, So we make in
our closets. It was Courtney, Jeff Shane, and myself making
our first podcast same here, and we were each in
our individual you know, little closets and Courtney and I'm

(17:58):
paraphrasing here, but like somehow it comes up that first
of all, we didn't know that Courtney was the most
epic reader in the history of the world. And that
heard like dream scenario is to be doing vo voiceover.
That's like code voice vo I think inside talk, so voiceover.
And by the way, I I've been working with Cortney

(18:19):
for a f I'm like, you know, we make content
for a living, Like, how have you never said that
out loud? Well, welcome and she becomes the voice of
the piked and massacre, by the way, so good at
it if you haven't heard it before. Her voice is
tremendous and beautiful and soothing and kind of like iconic frankly,
and then totally to switch gears. So now she's really

(18:41):
the voice of all of our major stories and she
does it like so beautifully. But also, you know, when
you're gifted, it just kind of happens very quick. You know,
it's like this is something that she just could do
in her sleep. It's like a natural skill, but like
a natural skill that was almost unrealized. And now fast
forward here we are even now on True Crime tonight,

(19:03):
like the worlds have changed, right, like where it has begun,
the kitchen table has gotten larger, and the world has changed.
And man, you are good at what you do and
does she has a voice that you could listen to
all day or night.

Speaker 8 (19:17):
Right.

Speaker 9 (19:17):
It's calming but a little sultry at the same time.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
No, it's like a little sexy. Writ it's a little breathy.
She's giving us breathy Courtney. It's at like it's a
little sexy and it's awesome. And you know that's not
to say that she can't scream and yell and be like,
you know, uh, give us a little you know queens.
When she wants to write. You know, she's saucy and
body at the same time, but at the same level

(19:41):
when she's doing you know, important stories, your voice is
so great and I think it's really become legendary. Yay. Yes,
you both have the most beautiful voices in my humble opinion. Yeah, yeah, truly, truly.

Speaker 9 (19:54):
That's what makes the shows to So it's really yay.
Can we go to another talk about lets have friends?

Speaker 10 (20:03):
It's a lea NBC in regards to like diets and
prisons and stuff. I totally get you. If there's like
a valid health concern, yes, I think it should cater
to that. But if it's not a health thing and
it's simply a personal preference, that could even be feeding
into the eating disorder itself. I have a family member

(20:25):
who's always suffered from eating disorders. She always makes up
another excuse, but she keeps eating diet on top of
diet on top of diet because she actually just has
eating disorder. So I think in that situation they should
be forced to eat what everybody gets. But if there's
something like an allergy or you know chromes or something

(20:45):
like that. Well, then yes, that needs to be catered too,
because that's a medical health reason.

Speaker 9 (20:52):
I see a lot of hay.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I mean, I think what you're saying, I do.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
But you know, eating disorders are a medical thing, right,
Like it's it's just in your head. It requires like
a lot of treatment. And I think what you know,
she's And by the way, I kind of agree with
you too, you know what I mean, Like you've committed
the crime, do the time, you have to eat the
bread and water, right, whatever they give you. But with
you know Brian, I think you're talking about Brian Coberger

(21:16):
here and.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
His meals that he has requested in demand, right, Yes,
but he.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Has this ARPHID, which is this avoidant restrictive food and
take disorder. And you know, it's a diagnosable thing. He's
had it for a very long time. And it's not
just about being a picky eater, right, It's not just
about you know, not liking a certain kind of food.
It's it's a it's a verifiable, real disorder and he

(21:45):
needs treatment for it. And you know, fee force feeding somebody, now,
normal people that aren't criminals, you know, force feeding it
is makes it worse. Like forcing people that will make
it worse. They require treatment. However, he's in he's in prison, right,
he did that, he did this horrendous crime. He should
he should just eat what he's given. I kind of
agree with you, but it will make it worse, and

(22:07):
unfortunately the prison needs to keep him safe, and it
will put them in such a state of fear and
panic that he might hurt himself.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Right, and the response on this one, and this is
a tough get people by your own admission. I get it,
by the way. I'm allergic to everything, as we all know.
So I'd be a dead man, a dead woman behind bars.
I'd be eating free Doos and Cheetos exclusively with my
gluten issues. Like I'd be really like the problem child
forever raising my hand. Can I get that unbredded and

(22:39):
on the side thin like that annoying prisoner, So I do.
I can really relate to that. You would be really
sick though, that's you know, I would be really sick.
I was really sick.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
That goes into torture in my mind, actually, like state
sanctioned torture, which I.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
I mean, I kind of for the torture I'm kind
of for the torture of Brian Coburger. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm kind of for it. I'm not like against it.
I'm kind of just speaking in general broad strokes. Like
you know, people with genuine eating disorders, they do need treatment.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
It is a medical issue, totally fair and by the way,
the Brian Coburger thing. And I've had to really rethink
this because I think I was a little glib about
it when he was making his requests for certain meals
and at a certain time too. It's easy. You schooled me, actually,
and I really learned. My instinct was, well, this guy
gets a vote, what about you know, Kaylea gonzalvaz at

(23:33):
Mogan's vote and just you know, do Zanna, And that's valid.
They get a vote, that's valid. But like, at the
same time, this is our system and it is not human.
And you know, Brian Coburger, despite what he has done,
is a human being living within our system and has
a family, and they also want safety for him and
he should be healthy behind bars. It is a complicated one.

(23:56):
I do see that though, and I didn't before, and
I was very quick to say I don't know who
cares too bad, you have to eat meat.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Welcome to prison, right, and I listen, I get, I
totally get. I mean, I'm not a you know, I'm
not a BK fan at all in any know.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, no, but you did really, actually really educate
me on on that. I just really it's easy.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
It's easy to be like screw him, and you know,
it takes a little bit more strength to be like,
well wait a minute, you.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Know, yes, no, it's totally fair. Anyway, court, what do
you think particular, Yeah, I think that you you should.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
You know, the example with you Stephanie, if you're going
to be sick or in his case, if you have
a diagnosable situation that the prison should not be enforcing,
you know, torture three times a day. So no, I
think you should for religious reasons. It just goes to
a place of sort of degradation for me. If there

(24:53):
are food, you candy, I'm not talking about gourmet. But again,
if it's if it's diagnosable, if it's religious, if it's X,
Y or Z, I think you should be getting that,
you know. And in the same vein, I do understand
the other part, but you know, let the inmates.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Talk through the walls.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Let him live in a torture of his own mind.
I don't think the prisons, federally funded or the privatized
different story, should participate in, you know, not giving people
what they need to eat to live sustain.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
That is fair. Yeah, it's a complicated one. I see
also of this one. It makes me want to eat
a carvil cake, like immediately in your honor curtain. I
just want to have like a Fudgi the whale carvel
cake right now, eating a little cake Susie cakes? Right? Well, no,
what was it called.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Susie cake that these guys, if I could just say,
sent to my house, all of these wonderful everybody's spearheaded
by Stephanie Leidecker. It is a Susie cake which I
have never had, and everyone talks about And now I
know what everyone talks about.

Speaker 9 (26:04):
It.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
What's your food of choice? Give us a call? Eighty
eight three one crime? What's your what's your cake? What's
your go to?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I made the chili last night that we got the
recommendation for it, but I made it chili. Yes, wow,
I like after the show, I took out the chicken,
I put it. I defrosted it. I did it exactly
as said. I didn't have corn, but I had everything else,
the two jars of salsa. I laid the chicken on
and then I was able to break it out. I
left it in way longer than the four hours recommended,

(26:33):
but awesome, awesome recommendation. I didn't have free doo's, but
next time I would like layer some fritos over it,
and I just ate it as it sounds like right comfort.

Speaker 9 (26:47):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
So good and so delicious and so moist and high
five the great recommendation easy like I did, slow cooking.
Keep them coming. I love it. I love it and
is eating it right now. It's so Yeah, it's amazing.
I love that. Let's uh, maybe we'll get another one.
Maybe ye keep them coming.

Speaker 11 (27:08):
Hey, y'all, y'all have y'all, y'all have this thing going, y'all.

Speaker 12 (27:16):
Manished a flow of vibe is like really starting to
really get good because y'all are constantly making me laugh
and my family, my kids, my husband must think I'm
crazy because I'm sitting there getting ready to work and
I'm just like dying laughing, Like I'm just pulled up
at the table with y'all or something, just like you know. Anyways,

(27:40):
keep going, y'all are doing awesome, all of y'all, Taha
and Sam and all of you.

Speaker 11 (27:46):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's so good.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
The kitchen is the vibe, and you never I mean,
this is a true crime show. We're not supposed to
be laughing, but you have to. We have to cut
up a little bit otherwise they call it.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Gallows humor, right, when you have to kind of take
a breather, like that's what surgeon. Not that I'm suggesting
that we're surgeons by any means, but in hospitals, like,
that's what they call it. That's what Joseph Scott Morgan
always tells me. It's called gallows humor where it's like
so dark that you almost have to like, yeah, disconnect
with a giggle, which you can only really do with friends.

Speaker 12 (28:17):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
And by the way, Sam has now off his facial
hair and unbeknown to anybody, has dimples and he smiles dimples.

Speaker 13 (28:28):
I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
How would you possibly cover your dimples? But that's amazing.

Speaker 13 (28:35):
I don't think I am when I have facial hair.
But I don't know, I don't see, so I don't
know you go.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Wrong, Sam, But yeah, we have the greatest crew and
team in the business. So thank you for being at
our kitchen table.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah yeah, thanks for cutting it up with us a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Let's do another time.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Oh h fun is just for Kurnie goom clean you
lean your day, many many, many happy returns.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
I just turned fifty and it is so much better
than being twenty three.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
I love you all.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Oh my word, Jo, it's beautiful, so sweet.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Oh my, you have back on. Thank goodness. Put the
balac hat back on hat.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
It's not that Falax definitely is making it sound like
I'm here with like a rubber you know, mold of a.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Ballas Oh it is adorable.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
It says happy birthday. It's got a little thing on top.
I mean, she's not as wrong, but I just you know,
you do.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
It is your birthday and I wish I was bringing
the exact same hat. We should all be wearing the
same hat. I know we didn't think he's through, explained mad.
That's why call it.

Speaker 9 (30:03):
Perfectly. But next time, we love you.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Thank you for the call that was so beautiful. Do
another talk about this talk that Tuesday is amazing? What
are you at? This is Jess Crocker from New Zeudland.

Speaker 14 (30:16):
We say why do you at?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
People say this is it?

Speaker 14 (30:19):
Just wanted to share a newb accent.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
We are our own category of Canadian Best. When I
first heard you talk about it, I thought it was
a weighted.

Speaker 14 (30:27):
Blanket type shawl that you put on your shoulders to
relieve tension.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Then I realized it was the fitness waited best and
we're only wearing it for a short period of time.

Speaker 10 (30:38):
But I believe this.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Weighted blanket shawl you can wear for longer.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Oh, by the way, why why are you in my head?
I have just discovered the weighted blanket shawl and it's
a little bit more it's a little bit more even,
and you could wear it if you're sitting now. I
don't know if that's supposed to be for posture or
if you can add a heat element by the way,
doesn't that sound good, or if it's like a weighted

(31:06):
stress reliever, or if it's for exercise like we're wearingaring. Yeah,
we're wearing our weighted vests so that we can be
ripped by summertime and we're getting our summer bods going ish.
But also, just having like a heavy weighted blanket around
our next is awesome. I don't know what the difference is. Though.

(31:27):
We have a caller on the line right now. Welcome
to the show. Erin, Hi, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 14 (31:35):
I'm good? How are you?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
We are so good?

Speaker 15 (31:38):
Tod sorry rutting my dog outside?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
What kind of dog do you have? Erin? Oh? Big dog?
Big dog? I think they're very bright and smart as well.
Talk to us. What's your question?

Speaker 14 (31:50):
Oh, I don't have a question.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I just had a thought.

Speaker 14 (31:52):
So my son has been diagnosed with ARFID, and so
I just had some some viewpoints on that. A is
like how the treatment should go.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Tell us, tell us everything. So he's only eleven.

Speaker 14 (32:06):
Okay, but he does have our FID, and it is
it's a legitimate, legitimate concern, and we do have him
in some food treatment therapy every single week. But I
don't know, I just feel like, if you've been through
that and you've committed this crime, there are some consequences

(32:27):
and I don't know that you get special treatment for that,
even though, like so the diagnosis for a kid with
OURPHID versus a picky eater is a person with ARFID
will starve, literally starve for eating, where a picky eater
will eventually eat and they're hungry.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
How interesting. That's really brutal for even for you as
a mom raising an eleven year old. You know, that's
a that's a big diagnosis to have to manage as
a mother. If you have any tists for anyone else
who's kind of managing that in their.

Speaker 14 (32:57):
Own world, I think it's just you just to think
about it differently, approach your parenting a little bit differently,
you know, just kind of like giving them more options
and understanding that they have anxiety. It's literally anxiety. Think

(33:17):
about like your anxiety that you might have as a
person from day to day, whether it's fear of crowds
or heights. It's anxiety for food, right, Like, so trying
new things makes them really really anxious, right, So just
kind of going into it with a different mindset that like, oh,
this is gonna present some sort of anxiety for them,

(33:38):
and I need to think about it a little bit differently,
Like I need I need to have some different options
for them for coping, Like going into a birthday party,
for example, my son's not gonna eat cake. He's not
gonna eat pizza, but I'm gonna maybe feed him ahead
of time. There's just there's just there's options to look
at you might go into for whatever it.

Speaker 15 (34:01):
Is that you're anxious about.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Right, Yeah, that makes sense, though I feel like I'm
hearing that a lot more to just I don't know
that that term and that diagnosis I am. It's sort
of like I hear it more than I ever had before,
and it's really tough to identify. And how lucky that
he has such a mom that's really taking it so
serious and making sure that he does have those options.
You know. Sometimes it's like eat what's in front of you,

(34:25):
period the end, you know, or approach.

Speaker 15 (34:29):
It's not my approach.

Speaker 14 (34:30):
It's like, yeah, I'm gonna want to try it, but
if you're not gonna, if you're not going to like it,
then that's okay. We're gonna. I'm going to present food
to you that you will maybe, Like, I'm going to
give you some options.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Right because hospitalization for dehydration or malnutrition when you have
our fit is very real, Like that's a very real possibility, right,
So you have to They will starve to death, they will,
you know, and that's the well.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
They need the food.

Speaker 14 (34:57):
And I remember when he was like, I don't know,
three or four, it was like, just eat one piece
of this chicken tender and you can have ice cream.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
And he was like no, no, right, And exposure therapy
is supposed to be something that you know works, but
it takes a long time. You know it, you know,
And again, we as a society and as the system
are responsible for these people's well beings. So just saying,
you know, eat the food, it's not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
It's so interesting too, like, yeah, it's a good point.
I used to just eat the same thing all the
time and kind of crave the same thing three men.
I do day. I still do that, but I also
have silly act disease. But I didn't really realize it
until so much later. So, yeah, food is a tricky
thing presents him.

Speaker 15 (35:41):
I think we have much more education now that are
well eron.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Thank you so much for the call. We really appreciate it.
Thank you, yeah, and good luck to you and to
your your sir old son.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yes, thank you, bye bye, great perspective to the great insight.
But yeah, that's the issue. He'll just starve to death.
And because we're responsible for his you know it sucks.
I'm not happy about it, but you know we're responsible
for him now, right right exactly, So that's the issue.
So this is your crime tonight on Iheartral. We're talking

(36:15):
true crime all the time. I'm body and I'm here
with Court and Steph. We got Taha here in Sam
and Adam on the board and we want to hear
from you. Give us a call eighty eight thirty one Crime.
It's talk back Tuesday. Let's hit it talk back right now.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
Hi, ladies, It's Cynthia from Canada calling long time no chat.
Just wanted to call in and mentioned something about it
all in Greenberg. I'm surprised no one has checked the cloud,
and I'm curious if anybody other than his family has
gotten ahold of her electronic devices and done a deep
dive on them. Even though they cleared them up, there's
always ways to find what was on there. Take care,

(36:50):
Happy Halloween fight.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
We we love you. Yeah, she's great, A really good point.
I'm sure, by the way, I know that one of
you have done some digging.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, but I actually I actually did a while ago. Actually,
So Allen died in I think January of twenty eleven
and the iCloud didn't like become available until the end
of that year. So the cloud, yeah, cloud wasn't really
a thing, right, it just wasn't a thing. So I

(37:25):
don't know, you know, what the status of that would
be for her because it just didn't it was you know,
it didn't exist. Now as far as her electronics are concerned,
I actually believe they did look at her electronics, but
it wasn't until after Sam's uncle had them for you know,
hot minutes. So I don't know what the status of
that is though. We don't know, but that's a really

(37:47):
good question.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I believe I remember that investigators or someone did indeed
look through but made the point that if you knew
what you were doing, you had the capacity to even
backdate something, sure and put it in a search.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Sure, And and you know, chain of custody has been
correct totally annihilated. So it's like, I don't know even
what good it would do, but it is it is
worth exploring, and I would imagine that the police officers
and the forensics units have done that, but I just don't.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I don't have access to that information. How do you
get away with any crimes? It is still so shocking
to me that with our digital footprices so widely utilized
and used, by the way, for anything, I could be
driving and if you go through a stop sign and
God forbid, you know, suddenly you get even if you've
moved nine. I had one of those, you know, so

(38:44):
like that is like the story that happens more often
than not. So how is anybody getting away with a crime?
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
I had the funniest story about that. By the way,
do you guys want to hell me?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah? Okay, so you know how they take a picture
of you? Yes, okay.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
So my friend Jody, my friend Jody, she's what doing
her living her life?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Okay, she gets a living's best life. She's living.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
She's like my best friend here in last thing. Okay,
so she's she's living her life. She goes to the mail,
opens it up, and she's got a ticket. She opens it,
there's a picture of her and dude, you guys, she
was running late to like somewhere in Arizona when she
lived there. She was literally stuffing her face with a
hot dog. Is the funniest thing ever, j It's the funniest.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I mean, you're like at least, if you're gonna give
me a ticket, at least make it a cute.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
She's literally stuffing her face with the hot dog as
she's driving through a red light, like, oh my god,
oh the photo.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
How's the picture so horrible? Works? I honestly will pay
the money and wait back in line just to know.
And I kind of like asked the guy because we're
kind of like looking for some approval it was on
the photo, oh you know? And he did. I could
tell he knew it wasn't. I wasn't going to be psyched.

(40:06):
It is terrible, and it's fine caring. Everybody's licenses are
supposed to be horrible. But I'd say, you know, you
gotta whip that out a lot. I don't have a
hot dog in my mouth, but it is just as bad.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Nonetheless, my friend, who had moved from Brooklyn to Los
Angeles so she didn't drive before she moved, she had
no reason to anyway, learned to drive and she same thing,
gets one of those tickets where they have the picture,
but she used it. It was her first year in
Los Angeles and she used it as her Christmas card.

(40:39):
Is the picture that it was like three angles and
you saw her realize the picture was taken im too,
and it's like recognition.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
The horror is very funny. Hilarious.

Speaker 9 (40:52):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
That is hilarious.

Speaker 9 (40:54):
Have your birthday card too.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
We get another talk back, we do.

Speaker 9 (41:01):
I'm going to warn you this one has a strong
opinion about something we may not all agree with me.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I love it, I can take it. All opinions are welcome,
all right, Right.

Speaker 7 (41:11):
This is Cam from New York and I think that
Luigi is a hero for what he did. The healthcare
system is extremely corrupt and continuously puts profit over human lives. Yes,
it was murder, but we also need to acknowledge that
the man he killed was responsible for the death of
so many people. If we're going to be upset about
Luigi's actions, then you are completely missing the point.

Speaker 9 (41:33):
Good point.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
A lot of people have that a lot of people
have that opinion. I really like he's getting a lot
much fan mail behind bars, right, you know, I feel
very torn.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
I'm very much a you know, a person that thinks
that you know, murder is not the answer, right, that
civil discourse is the answer, and you know, but that's
not working, right, But is murder working either? Because he's
just going to be replaced by someone maybe worse, you
know what I mean. I just don't know that murder's answer.

(42:06):
That's the only thing I have.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, Like I feel like I've gotten into this debate
a lot of times in a lot of places, and
I point, taken, but has anything changed? So you take
a man's life, it's a ceo I think, by the way,
has his own family as well. He had children and
a life to live. He was doing a job, so
all that to be said, So Luigi takes this man's life.

(42:32):
Has your insurance improved? Has there been any radical change
to actually gone up? Your mind? So expensive? If anything
has gone up more, and from what I'm told, is
about to go up even more and more. I don't
know how we're doing it. By the way, it's like
one of the most expensive bills you can possibly imagine.
And you know, thankfully we're healthy, right, So what happens

(42:56):
when it really hits? And you know, a bench shout
out to anybody who is dealing with illness and dealing
with the insurance companies. So I don't know. I know,
for my personal opinion, is it murders never the answer?
But what is the answer, because I agree it is
a it is a problem, and.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Well, I I civil discourse is the answer.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Either they'll be raging against the machine, baby, but you
don't take out a gun and shoot somebody. I do, like,
you know, and again like that seems slightly you know,
elementary of a point, but I know that's not the answer.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
And no organ yeah, to make if you want to
make a big statement, you can. There are many ways
to have newsworthy, grandiose you know, taken to the streets
whatever it may be, or protests, but it's yeah, agreed
that it's not the answer. But a lot of people
feel that way, and a lot of people, you know,

(43:58):
see him as a vigilante.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Or but like, would we agree. I'm so curious what
Luigi would say today about his big act. I wonder,
I wonder what Luigi thinks about it? Was that the best?
That's a good course of action to get his point
across the finish line. By the way, this is a
guy that was a valedictorian and went to Ivy League
schools and could have had a real impact on the world.
But instead he's going to sit in some stupid cell

(44:21):
for the rest of his life. And what a waste
of a big brain and so many resources. There's nothing
to come from that.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
What a waste, Stephanie. I'm so sorry, but I have
something very important to tell you. Okay, wait, my father
just texted me and it's about your driver's license photo.
And he says when he worked at Boeing, they had
a sign on the they used to have to wear badges,
you know, Boeing.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
It's a big thing, right. If you want a better picture,
bring a better face. Oh wowd to live by. I
had that thought. By the way, when I had the
thought of like, I was like beautiful, it kind of
does kind of look like you. You might not be

(45:06):
happy about that, but my eyes are a little kind
of shut. But yes, it is a point taken. You
can't you can't dress up. Can't dress up something that
isn't all the makeup in the world, and even a
blowout won't do the trick. Yeah, it was there for
a lack of trying though, you know those days that
you try real hard and it really backfires. It's so depressive,

(45:27):
and that it was, Yeah, that's exactly what I look like.
But I must have like the opposite of body dysmorphia.
I do too, but because I see photos of myself
and I'm like, who is that? Who is that? Horrible mirror?
I'm shocked, I know.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, when it's a rude surprise, like oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Somebody catches you at the worst, or you accidentally turn
your camera phone your picture the.

Speaker 9 (45:53):
Job of that, or zoom in general video shot of
myself from who is that? I may tell your dad smile.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Sorry, thanks dad, Thanks Dad. I appreciate by the way.
I know there's some problems you just can't solve with
the photo. But can we get the lighting a little
better at least or something? I don't know. It might
be worth thirty five bucks. Keep it here.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
It's Talk Back Tuesday all night. We'll be hearing from
you True Crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here of
course with my body. Move in and thank you to
her dad for listening. Of course, our birthday girl, Courtney Armstrong.
Very tragic update. There's no transition to make this less horrible.

(47:03):
The recent plane crash that happened just before we came
on air a ups plane in Louisville, Kentucky. We had
initially reported that three had died. That escalated four, and
now the count is seven seventh seven incredible souls have
lost their lives and that count may still change. Will

(47:24):
obviously be following it very closely. Boys at like incredibly sobering,
right So, you know what a tragedy. It's a fire.
People are in a five mile radius or asked to
shelter in place. This is a real tragedy.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
People are also being asked if you see any debris
or anything that you believe might possibly be debris, do
not touch it, do not take it, call your local authorities.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
That's the ask. Yeah, And that's a really big piece
of it because that helps and hurts the investigation otherwise. Right, so,
in order for them to piece back the suzzle of
what didn't didn't go wrong here right now, there's some
like loose reporting And what I'm seeing is that they're
saying there was maybe some technical issues and some fatigue
for the pilot. We're not placing blame. These are hard jobs, man,

(48:14):
It is hard job to be a pilot, and these
are tough conditions, The environment's tough, there's a government shutdown.
Who knows, but man, our hearts are with everybody being
affected by this real time.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Truly, truly, I mean, life can change at an instant
in a second.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, enjoy what we have honestly, and hug your loved ones.
I'm really sorry to have to report this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Well, moving on to Barry Morphew, we do have an update.
So alleged murderer Barry Morphew, he did have a court
hearing yesterday and the judge scheduled what the next status
hearing will be and at that point Morphew must enter
a plea. And also the judge reaffirmed restrictions on live

(49:00):
streaming his hearings. So the defense requested more time to
review evidence, which is very common. I don't think I've
ever known of a defense team to not request more
time to review evidence. And as a reminder, Barry is
accused of killing his wife, Suzanne. Her remains were ultimately
found in a remote area three years after she disappeared,

(49:25):
and Barry was re indicted in June of twenty twenty
five for this.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
This was Mother's Day too, wasn't it? It was Mother's
Day when she was Yeah, when she disappeared.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Barry more fused exactly right, his wife, Suzanne. She vanished
on Mother's Day of twenty twenty after allegedly leaving for
a bike ride near that area. And it was three
years later that her remains were found in a shallow
grave forty five miles or so from where she disappeared.
And then this, if you recall, her autopsy was done

(50:00):
in twenty twenty four. Her death, of course was ruled
a homicide, and in her body was found a wildlife
tranquilizer cocktail and it was incredibly specific and very more
few used it in his work as a deer farmer.
So this tranquilizer was found in her bone cocktail, and he,
if I'm remembering correctly, might have literally been the only

(50:22):
person in the.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
State to have that. That's accurate.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Yeah, I think it's like that's that corner of the state,
Like that the only one down in that corner of
that state that would have had a license. Because this
is like a drug, right, it's controlled substance. So yeah,
he was the only one with a license to this drug.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Listen, everyone is, you know, innocent until proven otherwise. But man,
that's a pretty freaking big coincidence, right.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I hope it's not crew too, because he has kids,
they have daughters, and I think she's very beloved, you do.
And by the way, we know that, you know, the
intention was that she was going to leave him, and
that was on the menu at that point. So the
timing is really troubling. But he has denied it to
and from court day in, day out, and you know,

(51:13):
last we heard his children were really standing by him
in defense of him. But a tough thing. Your mom
is dead, you know, you want answers. People are pointing
the fingers at dad, who you know in a very
specific way. I would imagine, what do you do? What
a tough thing? And those are some really hard forensics
to get around. I know we've covered this even with

(51:33):
Joseph Scott Morgan, and it's it is pretty tough to
talk yourself out of that. But he continues to say
he's not guilty. Well, that's right.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Do you remember he like went down to Arizona and
like told people he had a different name and he.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Was Yes, he was dancing at bar, dancing at the bar.
And remember the state that she was found in, so
she was on a bike ride on Mother's Day. You know,
imagine it's Mother's Day. You're a mom. She has beautiful
children who love her, and she's had an incredible job brazing.
And now suddenly you vanish. Her bike is found as
if she had been like run over or something. Right,

(52:10):
wasn't the bike like in terrible condition? And then no Suzanne.
Now for years, Dad goes on his life, and you know,
the girls pick up the pieces to start their life
over again without their beautiful mother. Now years later we're
finding out about this and now this you know, strange
tranquilizing drug, and you know, it's not great. It is

(52:31):
so horrible, it's very sad.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
And then just the brief nuts and bolts of yesterday's hearing,
Judge Michael Gonzalez has reaffirmed his decision to shut down
the livestream access and that is to prevent online violations,
to protect the due process because of the overwhelming public
and media attention, and that's the justification for the tighter restrictions.

(52:56):
Prosecutors really doubled down, saying the closure is necessary to
ensure a fair trial. And the next status hearing will
be or is set at this point for January twelfth
of twenty twenty six, and at that point a plea
is expected.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
No, what's saying he gets to be at home for
Thanksgiving and Christmas because.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
He's out on bond, right out on bond.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
He's got a three million dollar bond, he's under house arrest,
he has a GPS ankle monitor and strict travel limits
in Colorado. Correctly, I don't know if it's a Colorado
state thing. Yeah, this is like, I don't know it
one of the more interesting things to me. I wish
I was a lawyer maybe one day, because I just

(53:47):
really don't get it how it is so discriminating in
some ways about sentencing and who gets you know, bond,
who doesn't, who gets the house arrest, who gets an
easier pass, who gets like the keys thrown away without
even having been.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Properly charged with an actual crime? Right, So taking all
politics and race out of it, although all big pieces
of the puzzle. His clown Barry Morphew is being accused
of murdering his wife and like burying her in a
shallow grave for allegedly three years. How is he not
a danger to society if in fact that's the case, right,

(54:21):
because he has three million bucks in his bock. You know,
he has cash in his pocket. That's the problem. Like,
the justice system can't be run by cash, right, and
it is it is.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
I feel so fatalistic about it. I'm like, yeah, this
is this is our system. It's yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Whoever has the best lawyer wins in Sometimes the facts
of the case or the actual you know, confession, all
the things matter nothing if you have a super high
powered attorney or if your money to throw well, you
can't get a super high powered attorney without a bunch
of money. So unless you have super hardcore cash to

(54:58):
just throw out the problem, you're screwed. Right, And how
about all the people that are wrongfully convicted that are
behind bars, that are just relying on hopefully a public
defender who believes in them. But like, by the way,
that happens quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
There are amazing public defenders too, there, sure are. It's
a thankless gig.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Thank let's gig. Right, It's a hard job. And imagine
really wrongfully convicted, you have no cash in your pocket.
You mom and dad don't have cash in their pocket.
And then you know, any railroaded you're getting any railroaded. Yeah,
and then you know not to go back to the
Luigi conversation. But then you have Luigi. He has the
whole world ahead of him. He has a great education,
family that loves him, college degree, Ivy League everything, living

(55:41):
in a fat mansion. And this is how you make
your big message. Oh, I have an idea. I'm going
to murder somebody that's going to put me on the map.
How about you use that big brain that everybody was
talking about for your entire life and put that to
good use. That's probably a really good way to move
the insurance system that we're all suffering from his brains
and collaboration and thoughtfulness and kindness, empathy. Yeah, like, give

(56:05):
me a break. I'm sorry to get on the very
Morphy kick, but like crazy, how for I am like everything? Like,
ask every man of color who's behind bars right now.
It's so disproportionate that can't get a lawyer because they're
being railroaded by some FACACA system and it just stinks.

(56:25):
And not everybody has those resources. None of us do
that brother who's an amazing lawyer, So hey, thank god.
But that's not a financial thing. That's just belief in
having a family member. Oh no, I would be. So
everybody's like, the clock isn't in our favor in that regard,
and I don't think justice should be paid.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
For No, I totally of course, degree like a million
percent agree you kill your wife and leave her for
your kids to kind of grieve her for all this
allegedly allegedly.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Sorry Courtney with that hat saying allegedly sorry, coach, sorry, yes, judge, yes, yes, chef,
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Well, we of course will keep you updated on Barry
Morphew as we go along.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
This is true crime tonight.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
If you have any thoughts on Barry Morphew, or if
you have any thoughts on what happens during sentencing, because Stephanie,
you're correct, it's the disparity is crazy. We're at eight
and eight three one crime. We love to hear from
you always and now body you had another update as well.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Yeah, I found this story. This is kind of a
wild and wacky but really scary story too. This comes
to us from Chester County, South Carolina. On Halloween. Darius
Teres Edwards's twenty years old. Okay, he was arrested for
attempted kidnapping. Afterget this, he broke into a classroom through

(57:55):
a window, grabbed a student who's who, by the way,
did sustained some injuries, thank god they were not life threatening,
and like ran away. This incident occurred to Halloween at
the Chester Park School complex, and the school went on
lockdown while law enforcement intervened.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
He crashed his car. This diaryse or Darius tyrese edwards.
He crashed his car near the school and entered the
facility without knowing any of the children. There's no connection
between him or any of these children. He broke the
window of a classroom and like grabbed a kid.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Body did he break a double paned window with his
head to.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yes, this.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
I feel like people are like losing their mind, losing
their minds because everybody's.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Broken, hungry, where everybody's struggling. It's tough. Yeah, I'm not
saying everybody's a sweeping generalization. We should all be mentally
more optimistic. I take a bok. That was a very
grave way of looking at the world. I don't mean that.
But as know Jack is doing.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
This, so he he crashes this car he smacked near
the school. He runs to the window, bangs his head
against this double paned window, breaks the window, grabbed a
student and exited through the same window that he had
just broken. Three teachers were present during the incident, and
one was physically confronted and in a you know, in

(59:22):
an attempt to protect the child, right like, the teacher's like, no,
what the heck? You know, imagine you're teaching class and
this guy breaks.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Entering the window. The head the shot. I mean, so law.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Enforcement responded very quickly. They tasered him on the playground
and took him into custody, and the student that he
abducted sustained only minor, non life threatening injuries. Thank god, right,
thank god.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
But the traumatic events student and the teacher who had
to be you know, put their life on the line
defending this nut job who's knocking his head against the glass.
What is wrong with him?

Speaker 12 (01:00:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
So the Sheriff's department, the Chester County Sheriffs, his name
is Max Dorsey, the Sheriff of Chester County. He confirmed
that the incident involved a quote unquote domestic element, but
noted that he the guy Edwards, he had no connection
to the child.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Or the classroom.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
I don't understand that maybe there might have been something
that happened at home that set him off or something.
I don't know, but it involved some sort of domestic element.
Some interim superintendents Tammy Snipes praised the teachers, the profession,
I mean, the students, all the paramedics, everyone in the

(01:00:40):
community for their actions, noting the school remained secure despite
this breach.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Wow scary.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Can you imagine you're in classes learning ABC one two three,
some nut job is banging his head against the window,
breaks in and grabs you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Now, I mean, it's a scary movie. That has to
be drugs, right, It's Salts. That's what sad. Salts, That's
what I I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Mean, That's why I immediately go to do you guys
remember that guy in Miami?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
That are you that guy's face? Yeah, Miami when this happened.

Speaker 9 (01:01:15):
Were there, Oh yeah there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I wasn't physically in the in the mix. I just
in Miami at that time, but yeah, that was Bath Salts.
And I also knew a person whose younger brother like
threw themselves off the Miami Causeway bridge on the salt,
just like for the fun of it. Yeah, survived, thankfully,
but you know, it was unhelpful for law enforcement to
have to take him out of the water and you know,

(01:01:38):
I mean, this is like a whole ordeal. That bath
sauce is a good excuse, but that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 9 (01:01:45):
I haven't heard about bath salts in a while, though,
I wonder are they I just haven't heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I haven't heard either.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
It was it's definitely big talk twelve years ago when
a man on bath salts broke into my house.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I certainly, Oh my goodness, Courtney, that's right till the story.
We'll have a minute. You want to come back, and
maybe it's a tease.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Yes, okay, So yeah, you'll hear about when someone broke
into my house on bat salts. And also after the
break you have been flooding our dms and we like it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
So we'll be hearing that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Hopefully Taha will be reading those out with his pretty voice.
True Crime Tonight, We're talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Welcome back to true Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
Body Move In and our birthday girl, Courtney Armstrong. Keep
those birthday messages come in because this is the time
to celebrate you. Court So, do you have a wish
that you want to share with us for the year ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
You know you had said earlier, just friendship, and honestly, like,
it's such birthdays and I hope everyone gets to experience
and I know that is it is not the case,
but everyone, you know, just when you have outpouring of
love from old friends, new friends. It's just I'm very
filled with a great appreciation. So I want more of that.

(01:03:22):
I want more of you guys, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
So hopefully, yeah, we're available right by, We're available. She
had the perfect way to spend your birthday, though, which
I think sums up Courtney so perfectly, because sometimes birthdays
are a direct I've had birthdays that have been off
the chain so fun, so great, and others that you're
somehow like boohoo under the covers age, you know, the
age part of it. Side. Sometimes it feels lonesome, or

(01:03:47):
sometimes it's just it just hits different for reasons I
can't explain, or you miss people all the things. Right,
So this birthday, though, this is the big birthday in
my humble opinion. We were like, what what did you
do all day? And her answer was I binge.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
First of all, I was never allowed to have TV
on during the day when I was young, and I
still it's it's like I think the police is gonna
come if I do.

Speaker 8 (01:04:10):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I never watched TV in the daylight, as my mom
would say. So I went, I got a breakfast from McDonald's,
which I will never breakfast, came down, sat down to
eat it in my pajamas, and put on Netflix's Nobody
Wants This and I binge watched it and that's what

(01:04:32):
I did, and I hung out with my dogs. I'm
looking at it out of naps during the day, and
that was it was fuelous.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
It's the best. It was great.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Any grape Yeah, exactly right, I love it. I love
that's like the perfect day.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, those are the best too, because sometimes birthdays put
pressure on you too to like it needs to be
something or it has to be a certain way. I
don't know all of it, and sometimes it just feels lonesome.
And then sometimes it's just so fun and following your
own you know, your own little body clock and just
you know, sometimes you just need a good cozy Tuesday

(01:05:09):
in bed to watch. You never really watch TV during
the day. I have like TVs on in every room,
every office. I you're missing.

Speaker 9 (01:05:20):
I don't know all the soaps, even on the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Really, uh, I don't watch you don't watch him in
the Restless with missing? Okay, no hold on on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
On the weekend if I'm like cleaning or doing a thing.
But today I sat down and watched TV.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
You don't even watch the news. Astounding And by the way,
just don't you do you listen? That's fair? I like,
I just love to just watch everybody talking about the
news all day in the background, any source, any person.
I don't care what country, what place. I'm down so nice,

(01:05:59):
Well you left Cliffhanger with us? Or oh yeah, bath sets?
I don't reminder of bath selts. I will make this brief.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
So this was twelve years ago, and I remember very
well because my son was fourteen weeks old when this happened.
And I'm lying in bed and I wake up. I
hear something strange. I wake up my husband and then
we heard a big bang and the alarm in our
house went out. He left the bedroom where I was,

(01:06:32):
and I called the police even though the alarm was
going and they said they're on their way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I was hysterical.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
I was holding the baby infant in one arm, had
the phone to my ear. I had a ceramic lamp
in the other hand, just waiting, and then I could
hear punches being thrown and landing. So I thought, I
thought I was listening to my husband being beaten to
death by whomever just came in and curdled our house.

(01:07:01):
Turns out it was the police came and Wade actually
he's a black belt in taekwondo and he probably yeah,
And we were heavily in crab magaw, which is really
defensive fighting anyway, But this kid, it turned out I

(01:07:22):
lived near a college and he was on basalts and
had confused where I lived as some friend's house and
just banged in. But I could hear while the you know,
punching was going on, this guy saying and you owe
me money and there's a lawyer, and I mean, just
nonsense craziness. And that was my experience with basalts. Scary

(01:07:46):
With you, it was so it was so scary.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I feel like I just met you right after that,
because I remember thinking that was like a harrowing tale
beyond measure, like that's a scary tale. That's why I
had to lock you windows like I live in a
very happy place in my life. In my head, I
believe that the world is beautiful and safe and I
I love and that people do the right thing right.
But until they're own bath salts right like drugs that

(01:08:12):
could make it go real sideways and they're crawling through
the window that think they're going into their you know
bedroom at home, and hey they're actually in yours. I
can be very very scary.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
I can't be around unstable people, like I just can't.
I know that sounds crazy, but like I could never
be like a tweaker because they're so unstable, Like I
just couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I'm like the I'm like, you're the opposite stability.

Speaker 12 (01:08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yeah, Like I'm like the picture of stability, you know,
Like I have a like rejected way about me all
the time. I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:43):
I joy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Not that there's alcohol involved, but it is just sort
of a manner by which I live. I don't need
the booze. But you're very steady.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Yeah, I'm very steady, Like so loud no tweakers a
lout at my house.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Huh huh uh huh. I could not live that lifestyle.
I just couldn't. I Yeah, I'm kind of with you.
There's nothing grosser than that. Look. Also, yeah, it's tough
specifically like these bath salts things like that, where it's
like I don't know, you're you're taking, you're taking stuff
that's putting in a whole new planet that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
I'm not into it it anyway, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
But God's okay. Did Wade like karate chop his karate
chop the intruder?

Speaker 16 (01:09:29):
Yeah, he be honest, that is exactly what my friend
said after the Sorry kind of hot though, Yeah, over Wade,
and he was a big college kid, like a big
six long hair.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yeah, he was defending his woman in his baby and
the puppies.

Speaker 9 (01:09:49):
Yes, well we got more talk about.

Speaker 17 (01:09:56):
Hey guys, this is Brittany and the Philippines again. My
team and I who fight trafficking listen to all of
your shows. We love it and it just helps us
be compressed after some pretty long days. So I just
wanted to say thank you for bringing awareness about trafficking
and how.

Speaker 15 (01:10:12):
Abhorrent it is. And we just listened to your last
episode and I work with all locals and they were
so happy that in American podcast is talking about this
subject because sometimes we just wonder if people know about
the evil that happens around the world and in America.
So just thank you again for just using your voice

(01:10:36):
to talk about such a terrible topic and what goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Oh, Brittany, you're the hero. Thank you. That's a very
hard gig. You had a hard job, has a hard job,
and a really necessary one, I mean, and you're so
far away from home too.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
On top of it, like in the Philippines, Wow, hello
to the Philippines.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
You know, we did a documentary Murdered and Missing in Montana,
which kind of did focus around Native American reservations and
some of the issues that they're facing, not some the
most heavy issues about in real time. Yeah, it's unbearable, frankly,
and it was a real eye opener because I think
I felt as though I was a pretty functional person
in the world. We were working in true crime, Courtney,

(01:11:23):
you and I both had this experience, and it was
pretty shocking how little we knew and it was happening
right under our nose. Just didn't make any sense. And
like it's one of those things once you once you
hear more about trafficking, it's it's really hard to unsee it.
And when you realize that this is a real high
stakes operation happening at the highest level, and what a

(01:11:45):
money maker it is. I mean, that's personally why I'm
so crazy about the Epstein stuff. I just think it
all ties to a larger story and you just don't
know what that means. But like, you know, kids are
getting snatched. You know, we hear the statistics at the
Super Bowl and United States is one of the largest
sex traffickers events in the world. I didn't know that
much in the world. And by the way, the technology

(01:12:07):
that's being utilized is unimaginable. So we talk about our
digital footprints, you know, the digital footprints that are being
used to basically look for young adults that are you know,
either have a certain look about them because they're so
beautiful that they're probably top dollar, or they're so beautiful
that they're probably top dollar and they're in a wayward situation,

(01:12:31):
meaning that maybe maybe they just lost mom or dad
and they're depressed, or they're maybe easily taken from their
familial unit and maybe the family is so worked up
on other stuff they're not kind of paying attention in
real time. Sure, that's a traffickers dream and social media
is really the blueprint. Right, So the level at which

(01:12:52):
you know, we think of like CSI and like fancy
you know tech investigations that are happening in law enforcement.
Imagine that exact same level of technology that we see
in the movies being used for evil and being used
to essentially capture children. It's really no joke.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
You got to talk about that, that gang you were
talking about the technology.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah, to talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Oh my Goshren Stephanie, you said something so profound just
now when you were you were talking about the technology
being used for evil, right, and it reminds me of that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
So we have to touch on that. We we have to.

Speaker 9 (01:13:30):
Yeah, I would love to dig into that because I
hadn't heard about that case insane or even while we
were talking earlier. Stephan and I just statistics about child trafficking,
and one that surprised the two of us is that
nearly fifty percent of almost fifty percent of identified cases
of child trafficking began with some family members involvement, so

(01:13:50):
that the number.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Is somebody allowing you to go down.

Speaker 9 (01:13:53):
Yeah, like the exact numbers forty one percent, But that
is insane, Like all of these families, like someone is
actually involved.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
That they're profiting somehow.

Speaker 9 (01:14:04):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
It can be financial hardship, it can be substance abuse,
it can be deceptioned by traffickers, mental health coercion and these.
Taha and Eva and the whole team did research on this,
and what we're saying is from yeah, the International Organization
for Migration, which is a UN organization, so that's where
this information comes from.

Speaker 9 (01:14:26):
But I always assumed it would have been like, you know,
like someone's snatching all groups of people, just snatching kids,
if you will. But it's not always a case oh no.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
No, and you can be coerced and by the way,
you're coerced in some cases, not all cases, and sometimes
it's very young children. But in other cases it's like, hey,
here's some alcohol, young right, so your mom and dad
aren't understanding you, come on you party, I'll understand how, yeah, exactly,
and like and so it goes and then you're, you know,
suddenly you lose your license and you have no money
to get home. You know, they're they're they're really tricky.

(01:15:00):
Is a big one of them. I don't want to
say this because obviously innocent until proven guilty, period, the end,
the story about Melody is stressing me out a little
bit because it has some of the low key fundamentals
to some of the scarier sex trafficking cases that we've covered.
It's wigs, it's license plates, like some of that stuff

(01:15:21):
is a really organized machine. By the way, license plates
is a very big one. Like just the idea of
changing out license plates, like we're hearing in that case,
is a real identifier. Right, So if you have the
wherewithal to know how to get fake license plates and
how to actually put somebody that you love in a
disguise to get them out of a situation. Now, my

(01:15:43):
hope is that in Melody's case, maybe she's been taken
to a beloved family member and she's safe and she's sound,
and there was something that in her mother, Ashley's mind,
she's saving her child from. That's where I'm going to
put my thought, in my hope, in my prayer. But
in reality that us have a lot of trappings of trafficking.
And by the way, our caller can speak to this

(01:16:03):
way more than I can.

Speaker 9 (01:16:05):
Yeah, yeah, we really appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Britain.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Yes, and thank you for the job you do.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yes, and you and your your whole team.

Speaker 8 (01:16:13):
Yeah you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Please call us with some more info too of things
that you're looking out for and keeping us safe. The
statistics are always really hard and nebulous and by the way,
changing real time. But again we are seeing this happening
with really big, influential, important, wealthy men, real time children

(01:16:36):
and kids and adults. We don't get sold like cattle,
even cattle aren't being sold that way. Like that's a
real big operation. And the disdain that traffickers have for
human life is pretty unimaginable, and it's really hard to
get home.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
And it's not just sex trafficking, right, it's also like labor,
yea labor as well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Freely but even Stephanie, you mentioned people aren't cattle, and
of course they're not, but something else that's so traumatizing
for uh, you know, traffickers. I don't think often is
the word, but it's it is not uncommon for them
to tattoo, whether it's their name or their signal, and
that also creates such shame in victims, that makes them

(01:17:23):
shamed to try and get out.

Speaker 9 (01:17:26):
Because it's well, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
My understanding too is I'll often get rid of women's hairs,
and I because women often like our whole identity is
in our hair sometimes, like I know, at least for
me it is. And that's like, that's what I learned
that working on Chokaia's case Besaia Choicaia Blue Hearting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Yeah, no, they just cut your you know, Chokaia. We
obviously that's right. The podcast that you made, which is
following up from our dock. We just couldn't let it
go because there were others that just needed answers desperately,
and frankly there was nobody helping.

Speaker 12 (01:17:59):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Wow, so sad. It's something's really sad.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
We'll keep it here. We've gotten more to dig into.
We're gonna do some more talkbacks, maybe a couple of dms.
Keep it right here with True friend tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
Body Movin and our birthday girl, Courtney Armstrong. Huge round
of applause, everybody. We have Taha and Sam and Adam
in the house and also Gabe Castillo in the background
here in Nashville. Yay Gabe. Happy birthday. Gabe's dad, by

(01:18:42):
the way, Gabe's dad exactly exactly. Gabe works with us
at Katie Studios and I have dragged him to Nashville
to check it out, and I feel like we've gotten
a lot accomplished, right Gabe, Yeah, he is nodding with enthusiasm.
We are just has barbecue on our behalf.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
And Gabe the way he keeps the all of the
podcast flow and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Like his hands are in his hands are everything. Yeah,
Gabe's hands are literally in everything and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
He does it seamlessly and like gently, just for a gentleman.
And he has helped me and Stephanie through tech issues
and you know, you would think my hair was on
fire and he's like, I got it, there's no problem,
Like your manner is really good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
So true. He gave right out of college. Yes, Courtney
made us do a big round like she's very good.
This is where Courtney's like Courney Armstrong story extrata. We
were like, we need to hire somebody. So Courtney was like,
I'm going to do blind interviews and she interviewed like
two hundred people. It was a lot. And then I
did the second round with her. But like she was

(01:19:54):
like she does an interview. You know, I'm like, it
seems cool and like Barnie knows what's out with the interview,
you know, having had made a few bad choices in
my day. Like she's like, and then know I'm stepping
in here. And that's how we met Gabe and it
was instant we be worth were like He's the one.
And yeah, shout out to Gabe's dad, whose birthday is
also today, because man, you raised a great young man.

(01:20:17):
And we're all going to be working for Gabe. Yay,
Gae yay and rightleye.

Speaker 9 (01:20:24):
Right yeah, great team, a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Great team that just you know, right like that just
like says it all.

Speaker 9 (01:20:30):
Are we ready for another talkback? Yeah we are, let's
do it.

Speaker 11 (01:20:34):
Come on, hey, y'all from Bama. I wanted to throw
my hat in the ring for a cross pot rest
so family love. When I make the Mississippi pot roast
maka to make, it's just like six ingredients, I think.
So it's whatever South beef roast you want. Then you're
going to put in a packet of rants seasoning, one

(01:20:56):
packet of alls you Brady mix harrots, cut up potatoes,
then one stick of butter and peppercini, peppers, and some
of the juice from the jar. You want to get
them jarred anyway. You cook that on six on high
for six to eight hours.

Speaker 12 (01:21:15):
It's so good.

Speaker 11 (01:21:16):
I cook a little rice for it to have it
as like a sow, but it's really good without it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
It's delicious. I've had it many times. Really, I never
heard of it.

Speaker 18 (01:21:28):
The beef do I get? I actually get top pot
roast is what I would get. Yeah, so straight pot
roads that I do. I have to go to a
special butcher. Yeah, okay, so I get my butcher. Then
the pepper and chini.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
That's like the whole I sound like I'm a complete
more and I recognize I'm a pretty basics. So but
it comes in a sauce.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
No, the there's juice in the jar, you know, like
you just pour a little bit in there, like a
like a pickle juice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Yeah, it's kind of say, I say, okay, great, and
then the carrots and then the carrots and potatoes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
I just I just do the ranch the I'll do
and the pepperccini and the beef. It's in the stick
of butter and the stick of the butter. And I
don't like my food touching.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
I'm really weird about that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
So I don't like stew because like there's too many
there's food touching. I'm so weird about that, you guys.
I keep telling you guys, like I can't get into
an elevator.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I don't like my food touching. I sound like a
weird you sound like a human being. But though the
tip last night was a good one about layering in
the crock pot delicious beyond, there's a little left over
right now, and I'm gonna, you know, and and splitting
it up and like taking a fork and knife and
making it look shredding. Oh shredding. That's key. Did not

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know that?

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
It's wonderful and it stretches it and you get some
and avery bite and there's a lot of pluses.

Speaker 9 (01:23:02):
I'm like salivating right now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
The pot roast is going to happen tomorrow. I'm going
to really takes a really hip that I get. I
will well, I don't have the beat. I can get
that in the morning, though, I have just get like
in the morning anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
And you can make sandwiches. You can make oval rice
like you know, like she does. I do that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
I do it of rice.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
So good, but you know sandwiches, you can have it
even for I mean, it's so delicious and you don't
it's not spicy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
You think it would be with the peppercini, but it's
not at all.

Speaker 9 (01:23:29):
It's such a spicy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Oh, it's so good. That would be just savory, like
tang a little bit. It just gives them a little omph.
It's really good.

Speaker 9 (01:23:38):
I'm gonna be three pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
It is very protein based, so you can like nibble
on it all day throughout the day. I was doing again,
this is like, I'm not recommending this as a recipe,
but it is kind of delicious. And this is my
two ingredient Kracbot, which is I take apricot jam. This
is gonna sound gross, apricot jam and mustard, uh, and

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put them together and then I glaze that over my
crock pot. I'm sure I should add other things, but
it's actually pretty awesome. Wait wait, wait, yeah, I do
my Dijon mustard. Now you can get two kinds of
Dijon mustard. One that's a little bit more hearty and
it seems to have like some peppers in it, or

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just straight up Dijon mustard, and then I mix that
with africot jam and then ding ding ding ding, and
then I like glaze it all over my chicken breasts
and then yeah, aft no, yeah, but stranger things have happened.

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But okay, good adjustment. So yeah, Michael, I'm down. And
then you put it over your chicken and you just
let it rip and it's it's really delicious. It kind
of tastes a little bit like sweet and sourness. Way
just up with the cocktail.

Speaker 9 (01:25:01):
The cocktail?

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yes, what is the cocktail of choice? So I would
like to know what your cocktail of choice is these days, Courtney,
I couldn't answer this question if I haven't touched it.
My husband brought it in. I want to see you
just it's a background.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
It's an old fashioned and Wade also is a bartender.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
I love him. It is my favorite. The guy's got
like a lot of differ bartender. Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Can I actually can I tell you very briefly, it's
a one second story how I fell in love with him? Yes,
or the moment I knew I was in love with him.
He was fixing literally the guts of my computer, so
he had like wires out right and was telling me
as I mentioned he has you know, the black belt,
and was describing what he knows how to kill someone,

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and I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Was like, I love this man. This is pre her
working in true crime by my dad. Yes, guy has
defended your life. He knocked out an intruder. He just
brought you an old fashioned cocktail. Yeah, like my father
and Courtney shared the same drinking games. In terms of
Manhattan's those are complicated drinks to make too. I mean

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that's complicated but specific. No, you need to work it,
you know, you got to make it good. And is
it just an overall great guy. He appreciates the great
woman he has.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Oh he's a good Oh he just texted it's a Calvedo,
so old fashion with homemade black pepper, bay leaf, cinnamon,
simple syrups. So oh yeah, he makes simple syrup, orange
bitters and a splash of Liqueur forty three, which is
a Spanish vanilla liqueur.

Speaker 9 (01:26:32):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
He's very like who even I have. Like obviously I
have very a basic life starting over, but like pop
up with a prosecco. Baby, I'm having a prosecco that
works with you. The cond from Trader, Joe's in your
honor right, Like Trader Joe's little Prosecco. Come on on, Ice,
I'm having that in my head with you right now.

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Is your drink of choice?

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
I I really you know, I really like a Cadillac
Margarita is my favorite with salt. A Cadillac, A shot
of Grandmagnier. Yeah, and I had one. I had one
on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Was it so good?

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
It was so good and I wanted another one, but
I was driving, so I was like, I better know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
So, yeah, you don't really drink, period, I really don't drink.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
You're not a I'm not a drinker. I used to be,
but no, I'm too I listen, I'm fifty two now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
One drink very early. You know. My days start early,
like in they're law yeah, and they're long. They're long.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
When I drink, I feel like I wake up and
I'm like like, yeah, so I just don't drink anymore
just because of the hangover the next day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
I don't want to like it.

Speaker 9 (01:27:40):
I feel like I would go crazy in Vegas though,
I just walked through every casino and get a free cock,
give me another free drink on the way through.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
But you really don't get I mean, listen, it's just
not like that anymore. Walking from the casino to casino,
there are there's These casinos are huge, so walking the
strip is just like impossible to do now, Like it's
just not something that you can do. Like walking to
a casino will take you thirty five minutes at the cha, right,
and then you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Get their elevators and and everyone's smoking inside and right,
it's a thing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
So then you get inside and then you gotta if
you want a free drink, you got to put money
in a slot machine, and then you have to wait
for the cocktail waitress maybe to come over, you know
what I mean, Like it's just not a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Well, I have a different experience at black jack tables.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
I sound like a vapors every week. You're a good gambler.
She's a good gambler. I beat bodies a good gambler too.
I don't gamble either.

Speaker 9 (01:28:34):
If you have, if you did, right, I think you
probably remember I put.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
My money on you for sure. Totally.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
I have an addictive personality, do you know what I mean?
And like I just can't like I would be literally
broke because I live here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Like Spots the show, It's like she's like there's been
no daylight outside. It's like twenty four hours a day
in Vegas. Fair. That's a fair point.

Speaker 9 (01:29:06):
A favorite cocktail, yeah, mine is I like anything with
like vodka, probably, I like that. I like a Moscow mule.
That's a pretty easy one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
But I do like this is a Muscule mule.

Speaker 9 (01:29:19):
I think it's ginger beer, vodka and fresh line, so
it's pretty Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Thought it was gin no no no vodka. Yeah, I'm
so bumm taha. I just gave away. I had four
copper the copper mugs. I was just gonna say, must
but neither. I don't drink. I don't like vodka. Actually,
that makes me feel sick.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I don't like that. Yeah, but I would have given
them to you. By the way. Prosecco in those copper
mugs that are chilled, nothing to shake a stick.

Speaker 9 (01:29:54):
At, not at all. I love prosecco. That's another one
I like. And I'll splash the cranberry in it, yes,
because we're fancy taste.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
In my head, that seems fancy.

Speaker 9 (01:30:04):
Frozen food in it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
It's frozen fruit, like a frozen peach or something.

Speaker 9 (01:30:09):
Keeps it nice and cold.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
So yeah, I'm dabbling with a new non alcoholic wine line, which,
by the way, it's great, no one's against it tastes
like I don't I want to do a taste test
where I don't know that I'm not told which is
which I'm not sure I would be able to tell.
I'm also, you know, impressionable. But you know, I don't
know that. I think there's like a feeling of it

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where you're like, oh, this is so fun. Pour it out.
Anything in a wine glass is more fun, Sam, Adam,
what do you think I have cotail choice?

Speaker 9 (01:30:42):
Oh yeah, what's there?

Speaker 19 (01:30:44):
You know, I'm not a big drinker, so uh, I
haven't when you do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
If you were going to celebrate it's New Year's Eve
on the and you're in Paris, it's the best New
Year's Eve ever, and they're like, Sam, let's toast.

Speaker 19 (01:31:01):
I mean, I'll have like a beer, you know, Like
I mean I like whiskey and gen and tonic and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Oh yeah, okay, so that's like a cocktail.

Speaker 19 (01:31:11):
But it's expensive to drink, and if I'm not drinking
all the time, I'm not just like down to just
put down twenty dollars to experiment on a drink. You know.
It's like, I don't know I don't get a lot
of joy out of that. But we'll see if Sam area.

Speaker 13 (01:31:27):
It's a toss between white Russians.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Just Sam, I was not expecting you to say it. Yeah,
how big Lebowski of you? Yeah, well that's how I
got it. But I was just gonna say you for
sure got that for the big Lebowski shout out. That's
a good way I support a white Russian. Though. Boy,
that's thick, like it's a crazy in a glass.

Speaker 9 (01:31:52):
Yea thick and heavy, But it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
It's a little bit like the weird eggnug that I
can't totally get on board with. Boy do I want to?
But what goes on with eggnog? Is there? What hurt
my stomach drinking? I want to be on board.

Speaker 13 (01:32:09):
It's actually it's like just anything milk or cream or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
It's not no, I know, it's.

Speaker 9 (01:32:16):
Like it's kind of got that. It's not a far
cry like.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
Drinking like four glasses of milk. I'm gonna be full, right,
you know what I mean? Like I feel like I
would be full.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
I don't agnog is eggnog? Like why do I why
do we talk about eggnog the holiday?

Speaker 19 (01:32:40):
But listens I like agnog that I want to like
because wait.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Do you put alcohol in it? Or do you just
like it's straight?

Speaker 9 (01:32:51):
I think I think it's a rum mixture. Typically if
you do the alcohol, I think it's rum and nutmeg
or something.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
Fireball, fireball in Chada in an eggnog is delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
It tastes like a cinnamon roll.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
It's so do you like cinnamon most of course, So
even it's just a little bit of eggnog, some ram
chatta and a shot a fireball.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Good to go. Okay, So I have to come to
Vegas for that because I like a white Russian too, Sam,
you were not alone. I can't have it because I'm
probably allergic in some way to probably, but I like,
I want to real I want to understand eggnog. This
is the season that maybe we all understand eggnog a

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little bit better. And by the way, that'll be because
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