Disturbing Finds in D4vd’s Home, New Epstein Revelations & Louvre Heist Arrests

Discussing the latest developments in the investigation into the tragic death of 14-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez, as a private investigator reveals disturbing items found in singer D4vd’s home. Newly unsealed documents expose decades of suspicious financial activity linked to Jeffrey Epstein. Additional arrests have been made in the high-profile Louvre heist, while the $40 million civil trial continues in which a teacher shot by a six-year-old student is seeking damages. Tune in for all the details.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Monday, November third. Everybody, Welcome
to Monday. I hope you had a great one. I'm
Stephanie Leidecker and I'm here, of course with my favorite
true crime amigos, Courtney Armstrong and Body Moven and of
course we have Taha, Sam and Adam and even a

(00:42):
secret surprise by Gabe with us this evening. So listen up, everybody.
It is Monday, and we have a stacked night of headlines.
So many things to unpack tonight. We talked about it
briefly last night. Lots going on with this trial, the
forty million dollars suit by the first grade teacher who

(01:03):
was shot by her student. Yes, her student, So that
is an ongoing event happening in real time.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
So much to unpack.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Also in this Epstein Fiesco it continues, and listen, we
have really firm information that JP Morgan was potentially overlooking
some very shady transactions allegedly allegedly allegedly to the now
disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. And what does that mean. The

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numbers that we're talking about are astounding, So we're going
to follow the money train tonight a little bit. Also
pop star David and Celestrevus, the body's friend or somebody
who she knows well. The private investigator who has been
hired by family or by the landlord rather that is
doing an investigation on behalf of the landlord has some

(01:56):
really interesting items that he claims were gotten out of
David's home, So we're going to be covering that as well.
And remember, everybody, it's talk Back Tuesday tomorrow, so we
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Speaker 4 (02:34):
In fact, let's go to one right now. This is
Andy from Minnesota. Again, I just want to say I
love you guys. I listen to you. I try to
get every day, but I love that I can just
get you on the podcast and catch up and psych
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are chatting while I'm washing the dishes or cleaning the
car or whatever I'm doing, and I just really appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Thank you all so much. Nice way to start the show.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Great, Adam, you outdid yourself. He said, he had a
nice talkback to play for us, and I had some doubts.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
He blew it out of the park.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Thank you so much for that.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
That was so kind, happy to do it. That makes
me so happy.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's been sort of a odd day at least in
my little world. So I am just so styched to
be with you guys right now.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I needed this number two. What a lovely talkback. Join
us at the table, Pull up a chair. We are
all in this together. Bring some wine, yeah, bring a
cocktail or something. We were just all saying at some
point we're going to have a cocktail, and that maybe tomorrow,
because somebody has a birthday tomorrow. Courtney Armstrong is celebrating
her twenty third birthday, and we're here for it.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Absolutely, it's going to be so good.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Can we dance on tables tomorrow night? Is that finally
a thing? I think so for Talkback Tuesday? What's your
dancing song or what's your karaoke song? Eight at eight
three to one crime? That would be fun to know people.
I don't they do karaoke, not because I don't enjoy it.
I love it it. But back to the you know
that's so satisfying. I'm a great background. I am a

(04:06):
really good backup dancer.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I love karaoke bars though.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Like going to a karaoke bar people, it's the best.

Speaker 8 (04:14):
Got it?

Speaker 9 (04:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, and I'm in courtant. I mean this is again,
we're all kind of this is the Irish side.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Listen, just because I can't sing or dance doesn't prevent
it from happening exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
You know, talk about a camera, a micg come on
for you the noise? Yeah you have a secret song
that you love.

Speaker 8 (04:33):
As you said that, I was trying to think of
one for some reason, only think of dancing on the table.
That line that came to mind quickly. Suddenly, what a hip.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Cat you are a coolest cat in town. You're Rita,
has nothing, nothing.

Speaker 8 (04:53):
To worry about exactly. I'll come up with a better one.
Let me wrap my head around a body.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
What was yours?

Speaker 8 (04:57):
You were about to say a song?

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Jone Jets I love rock and roll or Jone Jet
bad reputation.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I love those two songs for karaoke. Everyone their mind
when Jet comes one.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah, sorry, and you get everybody clapping, you know, like.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
The I love ban it.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that one.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
It just gets everybody riled up. I like it.

Speaker 8 (05:24):
We're gonna have to do a little dance or something
like that. Tomorrow night will celebrate no.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Singing, singing, Courtney. When you have a song, I have
a feeling you have a song tip of tongue.

Speaker 7 (05:33):
No, I really don't. I'm kind of the same as you.
I'll be the I will cheer, I will get on
stage when it's not my song and dance in the back.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
But no, that's more my m.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
You're a really good tem gallery put it that way.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, well, listen, not to switch gears. But there is
only very dark and devastating things to talk about, So
let's dig in to it real quick.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Courtney, this case.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I know we've been wanting to talk about this for
several days now. This teacher who was shot by her
first grade student. Yeah, fill us in.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
And the implications could be really serious. So the trivial,
the civil trial has resumed this morning, and that's between
former teacher Abby's Werner and she is suing for forty
million dollars in damages against the former assistant principal of
her school, Ebeny Parker, and the allegation is that Parker

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failed to act on multiple gun warnings before the teacher,
Abby's Warner was shot in her classroom by as you said, Stephanie,
a six year old. So this happened in January of
twenty twenty three in first grade and she was in
her classroom at rich Neck Elementary. This happened in Virginia,

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and the six year old student had a history of
behavioral problem problems. In the lawsuit, the teacher Abby's Werner
accuses the assistant principle of ignoring repeated, repeated staff warnings
that the boy had a gun, and the teacher argues
that her inaction violated her legal duty to protect students

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and staff from foreseeable harm.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
That's a tough spot, you know, and she the woman
who is now being you know, basically accused of overlooking
these many red flags frankly straight up threats that were
not only called in but reported to the school. She's
kind of, you know, pretty indignant about the fact that
it is not really her responsibility.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
That's exactly right, And indeed it was four step meant
four staff members who did Warren Parker the assistant principle
that the student might be armed, and allegedly she declined
to act on that information. So I kind of I
don't understand any.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Situation where you don't missing something like all these people
knew that this kid was armed, and somehow it was
only this one person's responsibility to like disarm him or
something like.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I don't understand. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (08:14):
Well, she was the assistant principal. I guess it was
her cause to action to do something. Yeah, and the
teacher abby she During her testimony, she recalled thinking she
had died after she was shot, and she thought she
was dead and experienced a brief moment of darkness before
realizing her coworkers were applying pressures to her wounds. She

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has undergone at least six surgeries, she still has a
bullet fragment lodge in her body, she has permanent damage
to her hand that restricts her daily use. And this
six year old shooter had a documented history of behavioral problems,
including prior violent outbursts and disciplinary actions before the day
of the shooting. So it's so complicated. I mean, six

(09:03):
years old. We can all picture what a six year
old looks like.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
First grade? Yeah, right, first grade. This is just a nugget,
you know, just a little baby teeth.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
There's a lot of things that are wrong in this story, right,
So number one, how does a six year old have
access to a gun?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Let's start there, where's mom and dad in the equation?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I assume they're being roped into this in some
meaningful way, and that they, in fact are being called
to the carpet about gun safety.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
I would imagine you're exactly right, Stephanie. So since the incident,
the child's mother has pled guilty to child neglect. I
had to say, no surprise there to child neglect and
federal firearm charges and received a combined sentence of nearly
four years in prison. Oh wow, So that what happened

(09:51):
on the parents side? On the administrative side. The fallout
was the new poor news. School board removed the district superintendent,
reassigned the school principle, and faced really intense public criticism
for safety lapses.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
So this is interesting.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Under Virginia law, administrators have a quote duty of care
to take reasonable steps to prevent foreseeable harm. Parker's alleged
in action may represent a breach of that duty. So body,
when you asked, why is she because it's different an
administrator versus a teacher, it's it's a different different duties,

(10:32):
different responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
That makes sense. That makes sense. Wow.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
So if if a teacher knows and and I'm not asking,
I'm not accusing and just asking questions.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes, same.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
So if a teacher knows, hey, this kid has a gun,
it's not their responsibility to take the gun away from
the kid.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I guess I just don't.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
If four people this kid had a gun and they
went to the assistant principle, and maybe I'm a simplifying this.
Maybe there's more steps here that we just don't know about,
but I just don't understand why. Okay, well, she's not
doing anything. This system principle is not doing anything, so
just let them go to class. It's just it's strange
to me, very because it's strange. Of course, it's strange.

(11:13):
I mean, I don't understand. I mean, if anyone in
my proximity has a gun, I don't.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Care about my job. I'm going to get the gun
from the.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
Kid, or get my you know, get on the phone
with an on one or I don't know. And I
have a feeling that once this goes to criminal trial,
a lot of these questions.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Will be revealed of who precisely knew.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
What is there going to be yes, oh, yes, there
is okay, all right?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Good wow. I mean a six year old.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
I can't imagine having that kind of animosity and anger
at such a young.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
I know it's terrible to think what this child went through.
But listen, you're listening to True Crime tonight. I'm Courtney.
I am here as always with Body Moven and with
Stephanie Leidecker, and we'd love to hear your thoughts on
this complicated case eighty eight to three to one crime stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
And think about the other classmates. You know, you're a
first grader, you are six years old, and you are
in school. It's your first big year in elementary school.
It's like you're learning AB's and c's right. It's a
very important year. It takes a lot of guts, a
lot of courage. It's a big transition, and you're, as
a parent, sending your most precious human to school. Assuming

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there's some level of safety and a fellow six year
old has access to a gun. There is no checkpoint
where that gun therefore gets into the school, and there
have in fact been red flags and whistles blown if
I'm a parent at that school. Oh and my child
has witnessed this event, which has got to be extremely traumatic.

(12:55):
It's traumatic even discussing it. Can you believe thirty million
dollars isn't enough?

Speaker 5 (13:01):
No, I agree, And where does a six year old learn,
you know, about the safety and racking the gun and
loading it, and you know, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
It's just insane. Where is dad?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
So Mom's behind bars doing four years. So that's not servicing,
you know, that's not This kid is now out in
the world alone. And you know, listen, you can't look
at a six year old and in place blame, right,
you know, it's a tough thing and this is not
parent shaming, but you can't allow your kid to have
access to a gun.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Well, there was a child neglect, so I don't think
in the biggest way it's a criminal kid collecting.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, set up for zero success. And you know is
dad in the mix doesn't sound like it.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
It's unclear to me. I don't know the details of that.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
Yeah, a mention of the dad involved with the situations.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I just like, throw away the key on mom.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Then I guess like again, like you know, the odds
are stacked against everybody in play here and it's so upsetting.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yes, it's just I'm surprised.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
I've thought a lot of schools, I mean not that're
putting blame on the school completely with this, but with
metal detectors. Don't a lot of them have that? Or
do they stop them at Is it too early an
age to start metal detectors because.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
It varies so widely based on jurisdiction and where you are,
so like the district, I would say the majority of
elementary schools don't have metal detectors. That's a guest. I
don't have the statistics, but a couple more things. We're
about to run out of time, and we will follow
this as it goes. Along but Parker the assistant principals attorneys.

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They reiterated that Parker had no legal duty to intervene,
and they argued that while yes, the incident was tragic,
it was unforseeable that a first grader would bring a
gun to school to shoot his teachers. But the out
come of this may a influence the upcoming criminal trial

(15:07):
and where she's going. Where Parker is going to face
eight felony counts of child neglect and it's going to
be a rare attempt to hold a school official criminally
responsible for a student's violent act and could change national precedents.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
So it's important.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
But listen. Also important when we come back, Epstein's money
trail exposed and later the Louver heist case just got bigger.
There are new arrest, new evidence, and even more unanswered questions.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Keep it here.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
True Crime Tonight, we are talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Monday, November three, everybody, and yes,
we have a stack knight of headlines. Wild story that
Courtney was just filling us in on about the first
grade elementary's teacher who was shot by her student and
the potential implications for that. We really want to hear

(16:10):
from you if you want to join the conbo eight
eight eight three one crime or of course you cant
always leave us a talk back, and you know, switching
gears to all things Epstein and potentially this big money trail.
And you know, curious if anybody has any opinions on
this as well, because it does appear that there have been,
you know, more transactions than JP Morgan would probably like

(16:35):
to admit. And I guess the question is why and
what does that really mean?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
And ps, before.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
We get into too many other specifics, it's not just
JP Morgan implicated has also been the Deutsche Bank, which
is pretty major.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
There have been some.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Conversations regarding Bank of America and what does that mean.
So we're talking so deeply about Epsteen files, Epstein files,
names names, Maybe.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's part of the issue.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Maybe we put the names aside for a second and
really follow the money, because at the end of the day,
it seems like that's what does and does not move
the needle. And the fact that there have been close
to a billion dollars worth of exchanges and transactions with
Jeffrey Epstein when they actually knew that he was a

(17:28):
convicted sex offender is pretty astounding.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
So should I break it down for us? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (17:35):
Absolutely, it's complicated.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, it is a little complicated.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So JP Morgan's newly unsealed records reveal that the bank
flagged over one billion dollars I repeat, one billion dollars
in suspicious transactions linked to Jeffrey Epstein, by the way,
including payments to Russian banks and high profile associates. But

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apparently the regulators did never really did nothing about it.
They were aware that this was happening, but chose to
ultimately look the other way. So reminder, if you're not following,
Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted sex offender and financier. He
was arrested in July twenty nineteen on federal sex trafficking

(18:20):
charges involving minors and died by suicide weeks later. So
this is where it gets a little complicated, right, So
why does the money matter so much?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Number one?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Where is Jeffrey Epstein getting all this money? Why is
he allowed to make a billion dollars in transactions If
the implication is that he was running allegedly a worldwide
sex trafficking ring. Who's paying for that, Who's paying for
all the hush money, who's paying for all the nbas,

(18:54):
who's paying for all the cover ups? How is that
not getting flagged? And that is a bit big ticket
item right now. In order for these big offenders to
exist in the world, they're doing a lot of financial
a lot of financial dealings, right So imagine this number
and all of these complaints are being flagged and everybody

(19:17):
just looks the other way. Why, Well, one of his lawyers,
for example, was also implicated in this, meaning Jeffrey Epstein's
Also there was this gentleman. I'm actually not going to
use his name quite yet until this has been ultimately
really verified, but there is a gentleman that was working
at this said bank.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
He has since left this bank, and it's a big.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Deal because allegedly he was having a little bit of
a tryst with one of Jeffrey's staff members, maybe an assistant.
So again, if we're getting back to the original story
that potentially Jeffrey Epstein was operating out of this said
island and there were cameras on this said island, and

(20:02):
high profile people and bankers are being drawn to this
island for favor, and you know, air quotes negotiations because
they're ultimately being blackmailed from their bad behavior having sex
with young women against their will or women in general,
let alone minors. And this is happening on a world

(20:24):
scale in operation by which we do not know the.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Depths because nobody will let us have any of the information.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's pretty scary. Yeah, like there's no way for a
girl to go and turn anywhere. By the way, why
are all these banks giving payouts to Epstein victims? Courtney Armstrong?
What's the number? Let's look at the number right now.
Pull that thought. I'm gonna just bear with me for
one second because the numbers is down.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
So I think maybe let's see I'm looking at there
is about forty seven hundred transactions. That is the overall number,
and stand by, there is quite a bit that went
to the victims.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
In twenty twenty three, JP Morgan Chase agreed to pay
two hundred and ninety million let me repeat two hundred
and ninety million to settle a class action lawsuit from
survivors of Epstein, and an additional seventy five million dollars
to settle this USVII case, which is basically they're like

(21:27):
the governing principle for this banking community where Epstein owned
an island. So again there was no admission of wrongdoing,
but these settlements happen, right, So why would these settlements happen?

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
It might flag the board and people who are investigating
bank fraud.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
It might trigger an investigation. I don't know. If you
had that said investigation, it might go to court.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
And what happens when it goes to court you have
to actually reveal some of the names, and people have
to testify, and some of that information would therefore become public.
So when in an effort to keep things sealed, they
just dump a bunch of action into it. Think about
those numbers. So seventy five million dollars, that's one of them,
and then two hundred and ninety million dollars in a

(22:16):
class action lawsuit? Are you crazy? And why are we
just learning about this now? Well, because everything has been
repeatedly sealed. I mean people have been trying and now
it's coming out because it was I believe the New
York Times sued to have some of these this account
information put forward and actually there was a judge Jed

(22:39):
Rakeoff who ordered the unsealing of these records. And it
was part of a lawsuit between the US Virgin Islands
and JP Morgan Chase, And that was at the request
of the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.
So it took being sued by those two publications. And
there was a Senator Ron Wyden, and he also has

(23:01):
asked JP Morgan, hey, how about those banking records? And
the Senator suggested officials have continued to turn a blind
eye to Epstein's conduct because millions of dollars in fees
are being made.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
So everyone's getting a piece of everyone's guess, everyone's getting greased.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Nobody cares. By the way, if any of us didn't pay.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
A late fee or something, please make five cents, we'd
all be getting double charged.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
And this and this and this thirty five dollars.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Oh yeah, the thirty five dollars fee for the mail
getting stuck or whatever the thing is, right, credit card debt.
By the way, what about Adelita Garvalva, elected to replace
her late father in Arizona's seventh congressional district, who is
getting refused to get sworn in. Now, listen there's two
sides of that. The government is closed. Is that really

(23:49):
the hold up? Or is that, you know, just a
convenient day by day situation.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Talk about inconvenient. But they will not swear her in.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Why because she has claimed to be the one vote
that is needed and signature to make these files public.
And it's stuff like this, these money documents where you
can see transactions, you can see who's where. If Jeffrey
Epstein is doing banking that has air quotes suspicious activity

(24:19):
with Russia and he's in cahoots with the CEO of
the bank, and this bank ceo is turning a blind
eye to all of these red flag transactions. This is
how is a victim supposed to survive in this world?
And again we saw this with Diddy in a smaller way,
if that's even a word. You know, your money talks, right,

(24:41):
So all this talk about who's on the list, who's
on the list, who's on the list. You know, at
this point, show me the banking transactions, who is paying
the bill and why.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Somebody like forensic accounting is like is somebody else? They
all are on it.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
They just were refusing to share this information because it's
air ques quotes sealed.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Oh, for the benefit of the victims. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
It sounds like it's the benefit of the victim at
the bank, who's you know, now going to get maybe
in trouble or they're going to get exposed. Certain people
have already been secretly fired and removed from their big
stature at said banks. But again, these amounts of money
is astounding. We're seeing Prince Andrew obviously taking a hit.

(25:24):
He is no longer the king of anything or the
prince of anything. And now people in the US are
really calling for criminal charges, including in the UK.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
They are not playing around.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
They don't think it's enough that Andrew has just you know,
given away his keys to his big, beautiful mansion and
has to downsize a tinge. No, no, they want criminal act. Yeah,
and that's the tip of an iceberg.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
So why what? Why? Now?

Speaker 5 (25:51):
If you know, why, give us a call eight to
eight thirty one crime or hit us on the talkbacks
on the iHeartRadio app. This is true crime tonight. We're
right in the middle of talking about this really complicated,
kind of hard to wrap your head around. Billions of
dollars right a situation. Give us a call eighty eight
to thirty one crime Stephanie. Now, I can understand why
the UK citizens would be upset because the Royal family

(26:11):
is funded from you know, the UK tax dollars, right,
Like I can understand why they would want, you know more.
It looked into is he getting money? Is there a
do you know, if there's like a trace to him.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
We don't know if there's a trace to him from
these banks, but we do know that his brother, Charles,
it's being reported, is in fact going to give Andrew
some kind of a stipend, which maybe is another like
third hand day of the you know, the Commonwealth to
have to pay for what seems like a straight up pedophile.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Oh you know.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
And like again, we know that Virginia Grufrey was not
believed and she you know, her life was ridiculed. And
many of the victims are finally banning together as they
have over the years, begging for someone to listen. But
it's all starting to heat up a little bit as
more of these banking documents get released and there's a

(27:05):
real call for transparency, which I'm not getting off the soapbox,
like we should have transparency.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Put the list aside. We're not looking to shame anybody.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
This is not even political, but it is running the
show at this point on a world scale, and who
are the players. And it's affecting our daily lives Number
one and number two. It's happening real time. It's not like, well,
suddenly this is over and this is a story of yesteryear.
This is still happening. Trafficking is one of the largest,

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if not the largest financial businesses worldwide.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
A lot of people think that the shutdown is because
of the Ebstein list, right, and I mean this is
affecting people, your neighbors. This is affecting everyday Americans. You
see anybody running to like make this government shutdown stop?

Speaker 3 (27:54):
No?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Do you know, I feel like it's getting work did
on the daily everybody's everywhere, but talking about the government
being shut down. We have no eric traffic controllers that
are actually being paid. You know, people are serving our
country are being furloughed and unpaid. I mean, at the
top level, we have talks about things that are coming
out of the sky. Again, this sounds a little crazy,

(28:16):
but you know, do we have the security on lock
when everything is literally shut down.

Speaker 7 (28:23):
And the snap the snap benefits. Yet there are kids hungry.
One thing you speak of transparency, Stephanie, and you know
largely a lack thereof. But one silver lining in these sars,
in these suspicious activity reports is the fact that more specific,

(28:45):
concrete information is coming out. One of the biggest Wall
Street names was a billionaire, Leon Black, who is a
longtime associate of Epstein, and he maintains, oh, all of
the money that transacted between them is because Ebstein gave
him such great financial advice, because we know in a
great pedigree Jeffrey Epstein has being not even a college graduate.

(29:09):
And then also, and this name has come up so
many times, there's suspicious transactions between a hedge fund manager
named Glenn Dubin lawyer Alan Dershowitz and the trust control
by the retail tycoon Leslie Wexner, whose name we mentioned
many times. And again a lot of the money and
this is not speculation, was tied up and came from

(29:33):
Leslie Wexner. Epstein was his. I just lost the word
had a power of attorney over some of Leslie Wexner's buildings.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
It's insane. He just has a crist on nothing.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Jeffrey Epstein didn't even graduate college. So let's keep in
mind this fancy financier who was apparently very charismatic and
a bit of a mathematician genius. People said he was
a real man genius. I would assume. So this guy's
breaking in the money. But why is he getting so
much money? Why would he possibly have the ability? Les

(30:09):
Wexner had billions of dollars and still does. He's a
living man. Why are you just handing over the keys
to Jeffrey Epstein. What does Jeffrey Epstein have on you?
Why is everybody just handing the keys to Jeffrey Epstein?
Why is Gelay Maxwell getting sort of a cushy free pass.
Obviously there is stuff out there being used against key

(30:31):
players that are decision makers in this and maybe it's financial. Wow,
I'm trying to find this one quote, and honestly that
my notes are just very dense, but it is. I'm
so frustrated that I can't find it.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Well, you're passionate about this, so yeah, Well it's this guy.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Named Jess Staley, and basically he was one of the
top officials at one point at JP Morgan who was
handling all of the Epstein stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
And he actually resigned in twenty twenty one, but.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
He basically has this email exchange where he basically says
to Epstein, I'm paraphrasing, but this is the general gist
quote that was fun. Please say hi to this in
a white for me. And then Epstein says, what character
would you like to be next time? And then the
response was beauty and the beast? Oh my gosh, end quote. Listen,
we're a little bit knee deep and in the weeds

(31:22):
on Jeffrey Epstein, and you know this document dump about
JP Morgan and Barkley's bank and what's next and where
else do we have to look and who else do
we have to discuss this with to really get some answers.
So again, it does feel like it's heating up a
little bit. Many people are saying, oh, distraction, distraction, distractions,

(31:43):
that's happening left, right and sideways because they don't want
this hungresswoman to be sworn in because she'll be the
two hundred and eighteenth signature and therefore the files will
have to be released. Even though some of these bank
statements wild sealed are beginning to reveal a lot, and

(32:04):
a big part of that is money talks and money silences.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
I wonder if we should try and get a forensic
accountant on. I've had the pleasure of interviewing they're so
smart and can actually lay things out really really clearly.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Not in this case.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
I haven't interviewed anybody, but I don't know, just to
thought someone to sort of lay it out point A
to B and just plainly say.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
That's a really good idea because they can speak like
layman's language to us correct like what these all mean?

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Now?

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Am I the only one that's a little fatalistic in
the sense that even if this congresswoman gets sworn in,
is she a congresswoman or senator?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I'm not sure anyway. I don't think she's issue yet
because she can't.

Speaker 7 (32:49):
Either that's true, come up with something else. Yes, she's
a congresswoman elect.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Thank yourect Okay, thank you, someone to make sure.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I And it almost feels like we're paying a very
short hand game right now, like we're pushing it another day,
another day.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, it's always something.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I literally just saw an interview with Speaker of the
House Mike Johnson basically saying, oh, yes, of course, we're
gonna swear her in as soon as the government is
up and running. So okay, let's assume that that happens
hopefully tomorrow, so that you know, very deserving people can
finally get aid and there could be some food on
the table as we approach the holidays, in the Thanksgiving season,

(33:30):
and even putting that aside.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Or is this a possibly be like part of a cover.
I don't know. It don't sound wild.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
I just feel like it's bigger than what's being told
to us right like this, I think there's many moving pieces,
and I think the Epstein situation, let's call it, because
it's more than just the list, like you said, right,
it's this financial stuff too. So the Epstein like you know,
situation is a big part.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Of it, and it's wide, and there's you know, a
lot of yeah's going on.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
N Yes, is scary?

Speaker 7 (34:05):
Seventy It was funny last Actually funny is the wrong
word entirely. But we were kind of running out of time,
and you were saying that you thought. You said, yes,
I think that the files that they will be released soon.
I said I disagree, and you said something like, oh,
you don't believe in the truth, And I was thinking,
I'm like, oh, I believe in the truth. I don't

(34:29):
believe that people with this much to lose their entire
reputations and their power, and everyone that appears very clearly
to be embroiled in all of this, in all these
different layers, I don't think there anyone is incentivized to
reveal anything about themselves.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, to your point, incentivized, Maybe that's the ticket here. Yeah,
nobody seems to care about the victims who are now
banded together to say that for decades they had been
trafficked by this maniac with a charismatic way about him,
and some like random, you know, guy that's just a
really good mathematician.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
A little backstory on Epstein, by the way, I think
we've talked about this before, but he did graduate high school.
Were very working class family, graduated high school early because
he was a very excellent math student. He was advanced,
and you know, he never really got through his you know,
finishing degree. But yet he got that high school job,

(35:31):
teaching high school without a degree, and that has always
been a very odd scenario. The person who hired him
was Robert Barr, Bill Barr's father. Play along here, I
don't know what the play along here?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Bill Clinton? Yes, Oh really, so, Bill Barr.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
And this is where I get a little loss in
the weeds. You guys can probably follow this better than me.
I'm not a political person, so but I do know
the names. But that said, so, Bill.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Barr has a father.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
That father was the head of a school in New
York City called Dalton, a very prestigious private school, and
that person hires Epstein to be a high school teacher. Well,
guess we're you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Gilly Maxwell did
all their you know, basic grooming, and was their Their
ticket to success was meeting influential parents and go into

(36:27):
high schools to grab some girls.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
That was his that was his deal. Bill Barr was
George Bush and Trump's attorney general. I thought he had
something to do with Clinton. Maybe could too, I did too.
I'm getting old, I'm getting my decades mixed up.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
No, I actually have that same thought too. And maybe
that's because we've heard so many conversations that you know,
Clinton's on said list, right, you know, Clinton's in a
lot of these conversations. Very few people dispute that. So again, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,
we just don't know, because we can't make sense of
any of it. But boy, you look at these numbers.

(37:05):
Two hundred and ninety million dollars being paid out. That
is a steep number for something that has no merit.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
More than a quarter billion dollars. Oh, can you imagine.
I don't know what to make of it. I don't
know what to make of it. So no accusations.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
We're just trying to connect some of the dots and
keep the conversation alive before it gets pushed under the
rug again and again and again.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
And we've said this so many times. The list must
be pretty wild, or this story must be so much
bigger than we know. But to what end?

Speaker 5 (37:41):
And even if they're not on the list, maybe they
aren't on the list because well maybe they're not on
the list, right, but they kept quiet because they got
these financial incentives exactly to stay quiet. So they're not
they're not ever going to be on the list, right
because they're not. They weren't like at the island, or
they weren't whatever, but they benefited financial from this sex

(38:01):
trafficking scenario, right.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Going full Well, then, well, I mean think about that.
How do you sleep at night knowing so well that happening.

Speaker 7 (38:11):
In a very expensive bed this is a lot bigger
than the list, right.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Stuff, Like like I'm not looking for there's this is
not like a public shaming attempt, Like we're not like,
oh my goodness, this democrat versus this Republican ha ha,
Like I think.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
We're so past that.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
And that's a real easy way to get lost in
the sauce in the story. This is a story about
victims and a lack of transparency to protect women period
the end, and men. By the way, this is a
worldwide operation. It seems like there's a lot of people
incentivized to keep it quiet. And maybe that's the bottom

(38:48):
line here, is that finances are the big smoking gun.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Mm hm, Yeah, I think you're right. I think I
think that absolutely.

Speaker 7 (38:57):
Well, listen, we will keep following this, we will keep
you updated. We also really want to hear your thoughts.
We're at eighty and eighty three one crime. This is
of course true crime tonight, and we are going to
now dig into another case, and body's going to fill
us in on what's been going on with Celeste Revs.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Oh yeah, Celeste Man. Okay, So this is kind of
I feel like at a breaking point almost the celest
Revas case. I think we're kind of getting there. The
official investigation into Celeste Revs Hernanda's death continues, but a
private investigator examining David's former Hollywood Hills mansion reported finding,

(39:38):
I'm going to use quotes here items at the house
that would serve no purpose at a home in the
Hollywood Hills. They were items you would typically find on
a farm or farm type equipment.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Celeste.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
For those that don't remember, Celeste Reevas Hernandez, she was
fourteen years old and she was from Lake Elsnore, California.
She disappeared in April of twenty twenty four, and she
was discovered in like a severe decomp state in David's
tesla fronk the trunk in the front of the tesla

(40:12):
on September eighth, twenty twenty five. Neither David nor anyone
else has been named as a suspect, and authorities are
still investigating the manner and cause of death. So the
cause of death has still been deferred. Excuse me, I'm
expecting that to be updated. We any day now, any

(40:32):
day now, because we're.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Read at that level.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
So private investigator Steve Fisher, he was hired by the
Hollywood Hills homeowner because again this was like a rental
that David was staying at. Well, Steve Fisher is investigating
for this property owner because David broke his lease and
moved out of the house amid this police probe. Steve
Fisher examined the home after law enforcement had conducted their

(40:56):
own search and claimed to have found items that would
serve no purpose in that home. Again, this farm type
equipment or things that would be found on a farm
or farm type environment.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
And just to paint a picture where this house is,
it is far from a farm. Okay, So this is
the Hollywood Hills. It's right behind Chateau Marmont, that very
famous hotel that you've seen in movies. There's it's, you know,
pretty iconic, right off of Sunset Boulevard. It's you know,
it's like you can walk to all the cool bars
and nightclubs if you're a Los Angeles party.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
I think David's home in Texas, the one that he
recently transferred to like his mom, I think one of
them was like a kind of like a farm style
kind of house.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
I think that's an interesting point.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
So possibly some of pice equipment comes from that house,
and maybe this is part of his background.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
And yes, well and Steve Fisher, Yeah, Steve Fisher did
say that just because he had these items doesn't make him,
you know, responsible for something. And we don't know what
these items are, right, we can speculate what they are,
but we have no idea what they are. Like I
have never been on a farm. I don't know what
kind of farm I'm picturing, like a tractor or something,
but obviously it's not something like that, right, I mean, well.

Speaker 7 (42:08):
You don't know, because the allegation is, you know, potentially
could be used to move a body.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
It could be a a hole.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Or tried media change or like it's one of those
you know where you you know, you take dirt.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
This is pathetic that we're.

Speaker 7 (42:25):
It's a wheelbarrow, wheelbarrow.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Oh yeah, maybe maybe something like that. Yeah, no, that's
actually probably more.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
And by the way, you can live in the city
and not have leaves, and it is far from illegal
to have a.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Rate for example, just for sure.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
And that was that's something that Steve was saying, you know, like,
just because he had these items doesn't mean that he's
you know, a criminal or something and he had anything
to do with it. The discovery, and Fisher's comments have
drawn public attention, although he's he stated that he's not
publicizing this information for the public, but he's you know,
I need this information to let certain people know that

(43:02):
he knows. And listen. Steve can be a controversial guy.
You know, I've I've watched him on a lot of cases.
But he's undeniably effective, so you know, he he does
things for a reason.

Speaker 8 (43:14):
He does reason describe anything at all about the items.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Okay, now, and I did not ask. I mean, this
is you know, big, a big deal.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
So I don't know if either of you know anything
beyond face value. But I was curious when he said
it was not meant for the public. It was meant
to let certain people know that I know. Does that
mean that this information quote slipped out on accident?

Speaker 3 (43:39):
No, he made He made this.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
He tweeted this, you know about the farm type equipment
or farm you know item skier. And somebody replied to
his tweet and said, oh, come on, just you know,
stop playing these games and just tell us what you found.
And he said, I'm not telling you this for you
to know. I'm telling you this. I'm paraphrasing. I'm telling
you this to let certain people know that.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
I know.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Ah, so we're gonna have to stand by and see
what it means. But I do think he's putting pressure
on the on the people that he suspects and maybe
not aren't suspects, but maybe no information about what's going
on and what happened with Celeste, you know, because he
wants answers. You know, he's very passionate about this kind
of stuff. He really, he truly is. And again he's

(44:24):
a missing person's investigator normally, but I really think that
hit that background because Celeste was missing right right, and
I think he maybe took this approach of this victimology
and uh, you know he's getting he's finding things that
the police left behind, you know, like this farm type
I'm you know, equipment of some kind. So yeah, I

(44:46):
don't know, We're going to stand by and see, but
you know, I follow this very closely. Again, David has
not been named to suspect. Police did raid the Hollywood
home linked to David, but no charges have been filed.
No suspect has been named, and Los Angeles County Medical
Examiner's Office has not rolled out the possibility of an
accidental death too that's something we have to mind.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Now.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
It could have been an accidental death, of course, yeah,
you know, abuse of corpse as a crime, right like
that would be something that would be criminal. But that
doesn't mean that they were responsible for her death, right,
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
We got to see what happens with.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Tox And much disrespect must you have for the world
if somebody loses their life in your presence, and rather
than calling authorities and doing the right thing, you decide
to toss her in a trunk, right, I mean, just
relieve her fifteen year old body turning. Fifteen year old
body turning and a trunk, which is like, you know,

(45:43):
a trunk for a tesla. They call it a trunk.
It's not some weird term. Every time we say it, it
sounds so strange. But imagine and then you just leave
the car on the side of the road and walk away.
Whoever did that? I mean, come on, I am taught
you that are.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
The callous consideration for human life.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
But that said, and.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
This is entirely a made up scenario.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
But it happens when people are say partying or drugs
are around and people panic and then people, you know,
people drop their dearest friend off on the side of the.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Street because they don't want to be involved. Right again,
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
And drop your dearest friend off at the hospital at
the East Peel and a trunk to decompose. I mean,
this is a human Maybe she could have been saved.
Maybe we'll stick around next we have some J. Carrow information.
Do you remember baby Emmanuel course the California father. He's
been convicted in the death of a seven month old son, Emmanuel.

(46:47):
He learned his fate in court today And don't forget
to call us at eighty eight thirty one Crime to
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Speaker 5 (46:52):
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Speaker 3 (46:54):
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Speaker 2 (47:06):
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Speaker 3 (47:34):
Body. Where would you like to begin.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Well, let's talk about Immanuel Horrow and his father Jacame this,
I mean, it's a sad thing to talk about, right,
but Jake Harrow was sentenced today to twenty five years
to life for the murder of his little baby seven
month you're seven month old, Emmanual, along with prison time
and fines for other offenses. Emmanuel Horrow was reported missing.

(47:58):
Do you remember the Big Five? His mom said. His
mom said that she was attacked at the Big Five
and knocked out, but and somebody said, oh lah and
like behavior, you know, knocked her out and when she
woke up, her baby was gone.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Remember it was this was a couple of months ago.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Oh one hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
So it started with an entirely produced to be a
story by mom.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Right which was sickening. So it was so sickening and
it makes me.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
So mad right now, I know. So he was reported
missing in August. This was a god, it seems like
a long like so much longer ago. This was just
an August after his mother claimed she was assaulted while
caring for him. J Carrow, his father, who had a
prior history of severely abusing another child, his daughter. He

(48:46):
pled guilty to second degree murder and related charges. He's
thirty two years old. He was ordered to pay more
than twenty thousand dollars in fines and court fees, despite
his defense arguing he's indignant or indignant, he's been god indigent.
That was worth the correct I can't sell me today.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Okay, did I have a cocktail?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
No, but it's also November third. That's riconds, that's true.
That's true.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
So he during sentencing he did like, you know, the.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
The Holy you know, the Sign of the Cross. I
couldn't think for a second and cried and uh, you know,
I was watching it on court TV, and I was like,
he's not crying enough to me. But he did enter
this guilty plea on October sixteenth. He had previously paid
not guilty alongside his wife, Rebecca. So Rebecca Harrow has

(49:39):
maintained a not guilty plea and is expected to go
to trial. So I mean, obviously she knows what's going on,
because she's the one who was like, oh my my
son was taken from me. That never happened.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
With Rebecca, who she's making up this insane lie. She's
wasting authorities time her beautiful, perfect son.

Speaker 9 (49:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
You know many children, how I wanted, how so many
would do anything to have a perfect, beautiful six month
old child, and these parents just tossed that away. And
by the way, he had a checkered past, right, this
is not his first rodeo at mistreating a young person,
including his daughter from a previous marriage.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Am I, I'm not I'm not just talking about that way.
You're very mad. And she's not able.

Speaker 8 (50:27):
To walk because of the abuse that is alone from
in the past with him. Yeah, And so.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I continues to go on and has the nerve to
shed a tear in front of the judge.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Are you hitting me?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
So you've already left one girl already with a disabled life,
and she's very able. Of course I don't mean that
in any other way, but she should not be dealing
with the issues that she's being forced to because of
her father. Right, And then he goes on gets another baby,
and this is the ending a way to keep.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Well and throw the key on both of them. He
still hasn't been found either. Oh, he has not been found.
His remains have not been located.

Speaker 8 (51:11):
And you would think the father would at least at
this point. Now say this is where the body is.
Let me just come clean.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Oh yeah, crying because he cares about his son.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
He's crying, got the cross because he's got caught and
he's going to prison. And you know who doesn't do
so well behind bars is a man who hurt his babies.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Yeah, and I'm not shedding any tears over that now.
Emmanuel's maternal grandmother, Mary Boshausen, she addressed the court and
she described this lasting emotional impact on her family and
urged a lengthy sentence saying she did not want him
given another chance. Good And I agree with that. You know,
he did get another chance with his daughter because the

(51:50):
judge gave him a life, really light sentence and then
took it off and gave him like probation. So I
think that the judge definitely kept that in mind. I mean,
but it's murder, like he's playing guilty to murder. At
this point, Courtney's.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Literally cheering right now. No, I know, that's so upsetting.
That's so upsetting.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
This is like we should all just do like a
like we have to clear the air.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
We need stage. Yeah, I'm really sorry.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I'm so sorry for anyone who loved Emmanuel, and this
is a miscarriage of justice. And Rebecca, if you are listening,
you need to step up and do the right thing
and share where those remains are.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, so let's switch.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Let's switch topics to something a little lighter.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Can we talk about a crockpot or something?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Well, we a little riled up today all this victims talk,
and it's yeah, it's just it's just so, it's so
deadly sad.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It's just so sad.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
And like you said, all of the children in this
world who are wanted.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Waste.

Speaker 7 (52:51):
But I don't have a crock pot story for you,
but I do have a Crown.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Jewel story for you.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
We push forward, excuse me.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
Four suspects have now been formally charged in the one
hundred plus million dollar Louver jewel heist, and recently it
was a thirty seven year old man and his thirty
eight year old partner, But authorities say there's at least
still one active participant at large, and the stolen jewels
have yet to be recovered. So this was this happened

(53:24):
back on October nineteenth. You guys, remember, gang of four
thieves did this seven minute daylight robbery at the louver
at nine am on a Sunday morning, and the two
recently charged suspects. They deny involvement. They have children together
and were placed under formal investigation for organized theft and

(53:44):
criminal conspiracy, but it has not shaken out entirely. However,
DNA does link. DNA links do confirm three suspects involvement
in the hest and that includes traces that were found
on the gate getaway scooters and that mechanical cherry picker
that went up to the gallery when they walked into

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the louver and what seems like pretty easily stole these
irreplaceable goods. So it's very interesting. The Paris prosecutor has
emphasized that the suspects appeared to be petty criminals.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
They appear to be blue collar workers.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
I mean, I had George Clooney in my mind, you know,
with Brad Pitt waiting in a fast car.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
But no, that that does not appear to be the case.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
I have to say that's a little, a little, I
don't want to say disappointing, because it's like, Okay, good
for you that you're a blue collar worker and you're
able to pull this off, you know, but you got caught,
but I kind of wanted it to be like the
MENI mystery a little bit, right, like I.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Don't know why, and yeah, a bad person that I think.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
It's interesting that one of them is a woman.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Oh yeah, absolutely, that's I's so interesting.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Yeah, but you guys were talking about a thirty five
year old former garbage collector, and he's the one who
was arrested trying to board a plane for Algeria. And
then there's a thirty nine year old taxi driver also
arrested October twenty fifth, that was at his home in
a suburb of Paris. There is another twenty excuse me,

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thirty seven year old man whose DNA was found on
the mechanical lift brings us to three. And then the
thirty eight year old woman, and she is a longtime
partner of the guy whose day DNA was found, but
she has denied involvement.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Was Julia Roberts in Ocean's eleven actually a thief or
she was just the love interest of George Clooney, or
like the acts of George Clooney.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
I think I never saw any of them. What I know, Seaman,
remember what I said. I don't remember details and movies like,
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
I think she was an on it, though.

Speaker 8 (56:00):
I feel like I just been on it. I'm blanking
as well. Now it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I feel like she knew about it, but wasn't actually
a part of the Shenanigans itself, but she didn't know
about it and was like, listen, George Clooney, you got
to clean up your acts because it's nothing but trouble.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
It was Sandra Bullock you're thinking of.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Maybe in Ocean's eighty thousand it was Sandra Bullock and
Kate Blanchett. Those two were at it, those two, you know,
feving nightmares, were We're hitting the Sunset strip and taking names.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
Well, if anyone listening can shed light on just exactly
what Julia Roberts's involvement was in any of these oceans
you're eighted eight three one crime, give us a call,
or if you want to weigh in on your Loover theories,
where are the jewels? For one, where did they come?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
They are so long gone? Or maybe they're just like
tucked under a bed. I mean, maybe it's not so sophisticated.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
After it's literally like in the back of someone's freezer,
behind the dove bars, like.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
You're not on right now? Get out of my freezer.
How did you know?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I have dove bars hitting back there. They're so good,
They're so good. And how much do we love Julia Roberts.

Speaker 8 (57:10):
Oh, we do love her and I love her? Right,
she was not She wasn't one of the thieves. So
I just looked it up.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Oh I thought she was in on it, Julia.

Speaker 8 (57:19):
Yeah, she played Danny Ocean's ex wife who was working
as a curator. But she is saying her character wasn't
one of the thieves. So so good for Julia.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
She's still good for Julia. She's still.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
I would love for her to play, like, to play
like a really mean, like cutthroat woman one day.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, I can't even a sure it that laugh and
that smile, pretty woman the Runaway Bride when.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
She's running on the horse Aaron brock it, rock of it.
She was so good in that. She was a hero
in that one.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
She was you know she but she was cutthropn for
all for positivity. I wanted to play like the wicked
Wedge of the East or something.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Well she did something, but.

Speaker 7 (58:06):
She Clementina in mirror mirror, Oh yeah, never see that love.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
So she was literally a wicked queen.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Oh is that bad?

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I'm like type passing our Julia Roberts. I only want
to see her happy and in love.

Speaker 7 (58:19):
Oh and sleeping with the enemy. She faced her own death,
but of course she was escaping her Sonny was Sonny
or something? Wasn't he abusing her and she was abusive? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Yeah, yeah, abusing her?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, And then she had to go into hiding and
she went to go see her grandma, but she had
to wear the weird wig. And then it turns out
he had been tracking her and then killed the grandma
right right after she walked out the door in a wig. Right,
she had that unfortunate wig though, that wig was terrible.
But yeah, Julia never cut that hair. It's so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I know, that's great, Like she'd be fine with short
her too.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
Body.

Speaker 10 (58:57):
Yes, Martha from again, I just heard your comment on
NASA and government employees. Yes, a lot of government employees
are still working on not pay, so big shout out
to them, and a huge shout out to Riley.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
She's a star.

Speaker 10 (59:19):
I love murder one on one Happy Halloween.

Speaker 9 (59:23):
Bye.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Love to hear that.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Right, that's so great and Riley's family is extraordinary too. Yes,
Murder one on one. If you haven't heard the podcast,
it's excellent. Please download it now on radio app Katy Studios.
We're really proud of it. Yeah, and has a very
big life ahead. And Riley is a superstar.

Speaker 8 (59:49):
She's fantastic. When she told that Twilight murder story, yeah,
on the edge of my seat, like she just delivered
so well.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
So she's a sweetheart too, She's really smart. She's so
she's just very caring, very careful, true young woman. So
good for Riley, yeah, and for that impact. Yeah, And
to just reiterate, shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
To all all all of you who are going to
work even though you are not being paid, which is
just really dumbfounding. And I know in my heart that
the snap benefits will be they have to be started
again and this has to end, you know, like to
what end?

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I mean food banks are really burdened right now,
and I just keep thinking about, you know, kids going hungry,
and I don't like that. I don't care, you know,
about the parents, so you know, like whatever, but the kids.
I mean, you know, these people have children, right, and
so I worry about that. So if you have any
forty to your food bank, you probably shouldn't you consider

(01:00:50):
doing that if you, if you have the ability, you know,
or volunteer at least I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
I don't know the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
It just makes me donate, absolutely donate. Do we have
another talkback? We could jump to Hello.

Speaker 11 (01:01:04):
My name is Cynthia and I listened in Charleston, South Carolina.
I really enjoyed last night's show, especially when you're talking
about the Froggers. It creeped me out, like all of you,
like all of you. I thought they were talking about
the video game. But then I thought about it and
I realized that frog is an acronym furnished room over garage.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
Yeah, but it is, but they spell it they spell
it pH and I don't know why, but I understand
the same thing for anish room over garage frog right,
But I think it was adapted from them. I think
it was adapted from that acronym. It's it's people that
live in the walls, is what ens now. But yeah,

(01:01:51):
crazy right now.

Speaker 8 (01:01:51):
I saw someone on TikTok that was saying, it's really
because it's almost like a frog that leaps from one
lily pat to the next, or leaps from one place
to the next.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
But it's called camping, like that's a fun thing. Like
what about that? Like what about pitching up a tent?
Why would you possibly want to be in.

Speaker 8 (01:02:06):
A wall because it's probably warmer inside, you know that
one person that directed the whole time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
No, they're not really living in the wall. I mean
they're living in a secret room or a you know,
a room above, you know, like an attic or basement
and yeah, but I think that the wall situation is
just what they used.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
To do or something I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
M Oh my goodness. There is a very scary case.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I'm going to pull it up during the break of
the man was living in the wall and he had
to stand Remember Gabe's here, Oh my god.

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
Oh okay, yeah, well, Gabe's going to be on the
air after the break. We're going to learn all about that.
We have much more. We have talkbacks, we have dms.
True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie here with the
Courtney and Body and listen. We've been getting a lot
of dms, so we want to make sure that we're
not leaving those out, and I definitely want to make
sure we get through some more talkbacks tonight as well.
But as a reminder, tomorrow is Tuesday. So keep them coming,
keep them coming, and keep them coming. Just leave a voicemail.

(01:03:22):
You can leave a talkback day or night, even if
you're listening as a podcast. It does not have to
be live. And we really want to hear you, really
want to hear your opinions. So Taha is going to
do some I guess it's like a poetic reading or
an interpretation of some of the d ms.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Oh me and me, a dramatic reading. We should do
a drama.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
Yes, yes, he's got the flash.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Exactly, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Oh my goodness, like on the Andy Cohen Show. Exactly,
watch live put them yes, yay. So he's going to
be some of the d ms to us and in
your in your best possible.

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
Way, Taha, I'm gonna try. Can I can I do
a little interpretive dance as I just you guys will
see that that was a little vogue there. Well know
to your point, Stephanie, we get so many great talkbacks,
which I love. I love the talkbacks the most, but
a lot of people have been sliding to our d ms,
so I thought, maybe this is our chance to write,

(01:04:27):
to go over a few. And of course, just you know,
Ava and Whitney, we all picked some of these, so
this wasn't just me, okay, So this was a teammates.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Were cherry picking. How do we know what the okay?
But we should get through all of them.

Speaker 8 (01:04:41):
We're going to go through. We are going to go
through a bunch. But this first one I think you'll
like because this is something that you'll find interesting. This
one comes from Tangya and she's in Nashville. And Tanya says,
I'm listening to Sunday's episode and you all were discussing chili. Well,
now that Stephanie is in nash in the Nashville area,
she can go to Sonic and get a chili pie.

(01:05:02):
It's free, do's chili and cheese. Not sure if the
rest of you have Sonic in your world. We do
think chili pie is great on a cold day.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I didn't know Sonic had chili pies. I wonder if
they do everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Sometimes those franchises are like, you know, it depends on
where you live and what they got or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
In and out.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to look because I really liked.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
That chili pie I had. You have to try it. Stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
It's delicious, so a little the most boring topic in
the history of topics. I have celiac, so I can
never eat at any of the fun delicious places, like
I think Sonic being one of them. Frito's I'm a
sucker for because they are gluten free. I haven't had
Snickers in so long because I thought they weren't, But

(01:05:50):
turns out I think they are. Oh wow, and so
are M and MS.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Okay, So for the I'm digressing. So anyway, back to
the chili.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
So I usually I can't go to a lot of
the fast food places because of this, you know, cross
contamination of gluten.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Everybody just fell asleep? Should I talk more about? Well right,
everybody just not it all. I'm taking Sam. Sam's head
is on it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Should we talk about, you know, some of the personal solves.
How I've lived to tell the tale? But no, I
can't go to Sonic. Is the downside.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
But a great call, and it sounds so delicious. I
have to make it in my crock pot, sample it
for you and let you know. That tomorrow. Maybe we
can get that for Courtney Armstrong's birthday. A sonic party.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
It's jili, it's all around. It will sounds so good
on the radio.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
There's not one by my house. I have to drive
kind of far to get to get one. Plan it
might be worth it. So it's great suggest question though,
thank you for it, and you.

Speaker 8 (01:07:02):
Want to hear another. I want another d M all right,
this one ironic. This one is about true crime and chill.
Maybe we'll start calling it true crime and chili. But
this is one of our true crime and chill picks.
I stole that joke from Courtney so practicing earlier today
wait to see our dance moment that's coming up next.

(01:07:23):
But actually is responding to remember when we watched the
Unknown Number. I know, Stephanie, how you felt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Not today, Kendra today is not today, and by the
way that tracks Kendra, not today.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
Not today.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
But Alicia had this to say about it. I'm responding
to the segment where we all were saddened by the
young girl that learned her mother was being texted. Was
the texture. When law enforcement goes to a scene, they
respond with law enforcement lenses. As a social worker. This
makes my job makes me cringe, But my job is
strength based and to respond trauma. Don't get me wrong,

(01:08:04):
I've been on scenes with the most compassionate officers, but unfortunately,
because he is trained for public safety, he would not
have been able to respond in the way we would
have expected. We need to get the purp out of
the home. As a social worker, I would have asked
to have the child removed and then let the dad
try to sit with her once mom was out of
the house. She would have been upset regardless, but it's

(01:08:26):
unfortunate that she was told in that manner. But I
really wanted to throat punch the mama because that's the
bronx in me. The social work in me wants to
hug this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Poor child too. I did a throat punch her too.
By the way, here's the bronx right.

Speaker 9 (01:08:46):
Down.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
That's all you need. But it's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
And yeah, no shade to the I don't think to
law enforcement per se. It's really to Kendra. Kendra's Christy
mom did a very bad thing and took no accountability
and it was just the weird mom resting her daughter
when she was basically like, yeah, I'm the one who
has been traumatizing you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
All this ruining your life up and I'm still consoling you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
I know, that's very complicated, and yeah, it's a really
good point. Law enforcement has a very specific job, which
is safety first. But in a perfect world, cameras would
maybe would not have been rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Was that bodycam footage? Yeah, yeah, I like body.

Speaker 8 (01:09:26):
But I agree. But anyway, that that one was a
hard one to digest, to see that all unfold.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
But even weirder is that Kendra was doing the weird
scenes you know in the beginning when like all of
the you know, people that were in the documentary were
obviously doing their like little hero shots, you know, like
they're on the Real Housewives, but like this was very
abusive and I just thought it was so weird and
tone depth.

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
It wasn't just the beginning, it was the end.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
When she was Kendra continued telling the story third party,
it was like, well, when this thing happened to my
water as this thing was unfolding, it's like, no, heffers up.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
The window, like the rain is like, it's very it
was very thick to me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah, discuss that was that.

Speaker 8 (01:10:11):
Was a hard one. But we have a better one
that we're.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Well, this one's going to make you all mad as well.
The Perfect Neighbor. That's our next true crime and Chill
and to make I.

Speaker 8 (01:10:21):
Did okay, good, good, good, go ahead, keep.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
Going infuriating, right, it's infuriating in a different way, but
it's it's it's all body cam footage, so it's kind
of that similar vibe that our DM or was you know,
sick talking about. So that's going to be for Wednesday show,
So make sure you're all caught up on that. It's
like a really short documentary but it's all body cam

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footage and it's called a Perfect Neighbor and it's on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
To make sure that we're all lit.

Speaker 8 (01:10:51):
It's really well done. Definitely have you seen that one yet?

Speaker 10 (01:10:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
You have?

Speaker 8 (01:10:55):
Okay, so we've all watched it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Okay, it makes me so mad. Also, oh yeah, I
was furious. Yeah, why are we watching such infuriating things?
Is true crime and Chili is making me crazy? Crazy
making and we have crazy making jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
But then you go to like watch it's the opposite
of chill. I want to, I want to I want
to throw a punch.

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
Our future might have to be we'll have we'll have
to come up true crime.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
So it's kind of impossible to find something lighthearted. And
I was just going to say, what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:11:28):
Let's what about movies, maybe like a film version of
something like.

Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
The folks who did the Cruise and others.

Speaker 7 (01:11:36):
Those are a different vibe and and they are under
the guys.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Okay, we're gonna we're watch American Nightmare. That was a
good one. I don't know that people who did my
documentary did that one was so I watched that this weekend.
It's really good. But somebody know where I'm off track from.
I watched The Alien One last night? Oh how was that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
How was a eating? It's so good.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
It's so good though, it is so good. It's all
archival footage. It's excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
It's very.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
To Stephanie's point, I'm gonna have to figure out some
kind of balance where we get some lighter things in
the next.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
I listen, I just like we just made the Idaho
student murders. Coming off of that, it's been twenty four
to seven of such darkness.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
I want some justice.

Speaker 8 (01:12:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
You know, frankly, I didn't think The Perfect Neighbor was
such a justice driven project. It's important and thank god
we're talking about it, and of course we will on
Wednesday to the oath degree.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
But you know, it makes me sad.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
I really want to watch the Alabama One's a prison, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
But I think that one's going to be just hute too. Yeah. Yeah,
I think it's gonna be interstating.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
I feel like, once again we do crime. It's really
hard to figure out it's about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I don't know where the line is exactly. I'm I'm
as nebulous, I recognize, but we can't scream at the TV,
I you know, but that's what I end up doing.

Speaker 8 (01:13:08):
I don't mind watching them because I know I have
you guys like I can balance it off with afterwards.
So as much as I get frustrated, it sometimes makes
me feel better when I'm like, okay, great, other people
do agree with me and we all feel the same way.
So there's something cathartic about being able to watch it
and talk to you guys about it. But anyway, that
being said, Sam has something he wants to suggest that
we watched.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Sam, have you heard of this movie called Bernie Bernie?

Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
It's with Jack black Off.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
His name? Is it a comedy?

Speaker 12 (01:13:40):
It's sort of it's based off this guy Bernie Tied
or something in that vein. It's about this guy who
he was this house keeper kind of and then when
he like snapped it and it was this indie movie
that came out around two thy and eleven and made by.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Later.

Speaker 8 (01:14:08):
Yes, all right, all right, maybe than you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
I love Jack Black, by the way. It's so funny.
Everything he does makes me laugh tenaciously.

Speaker 8 (01:14:19):
Yes, we can add that. All right, Well, thank you, Sam,
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:14:25):
How will we feel about a positive d M it
they're sending some love your way? How about this one?
This is from Jim. Jim says, Hi, Stephanie high body
high Courtney. This is Jim from southern California?

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Does he usually he Yeah, from southern cal because he
he's always very sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I think, yeah, I think he might.

Speaker 8 (01:14:48):
It might be the same Jim. I'm gonna say, I'm
gonna go with that and hopefully. But what he does
say is, you guys are terrific. I love how you
all truly share humor, thoughts, and your feelings and by
doing so lift many of your listeners spirits. Of course,
true crime often takes us to dark places, but your
empathy and love of others helps lead us back into

(01:15:09):
the light. I love the show and I haven't missed
even one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Jim.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
I feel like that's him, because that's called Jim.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Do you leave his number? Let's call him. I know, Jim,
you know what we should do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
First of all, I don't know what happened to our
hero segments. But when are we paying those forwards? And
when are we going to have some good news? And
maybe we should start getting some pre thanksgiving some things
that we're thankful for. To break it up, I'm thankful
for you, and I'm thankful for you guys too, and
I'm thankful for Jim. And by the way, if we
we get to the place, because it happens right and

(01:15:45):
even as for all of us collected around the kitchen
table in the sound of our voices, anyone listening, Jim included,
sometimes we need like a little palette cleanser, and maybe
then we go to a talk back about somebody's thankful thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
I'm down. I'm in my holiday tradition.

Speaker 8 (01:16:02):
Yeah, I usually on.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
My social media right before Thanksgiving, I do ten days
of thankfulness and I do a video every day of
things I'm thankful for.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Let's do it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
We could start maybe we could start that, like you know,
incorporate like a version of that, like every day of
us says something we're thankful for for like fifteen days
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Let's start with Julia Roberts. I'm thankful, thank you. By
the way, you guys both have Julia Roberts hair, so
that is, you know, I'm thankful to get to look
at your Julia Roberts.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Hair on both of you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
That is very flattering and very untrue in this moment.
But listen, I'll take it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
You know, anything that compares me to Julia Roberts, I
just want to hear more of because.

Speaker 8 (01:16:44):
Since you're talking Thanksgiving and we were talking about chili earlier,
does everyone have a favorite Thanksgiving dish that they're looking.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Forward mashed potatoes and gravy and staying over.

Speaker 8 (01:16:53):
Did not miss a beat?

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
You were like, I'm my favorite. Yeah, I don't even
need the turkey, I just want the stuffing and the taters,
saying yeah, I'm with your car. And then every year
I make a banana pudding. It's delicious. It's kind of
like my dish that I make and it's so good.
And I do the wafers and all that.

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Oh that's I don't think so nothing good gluten free.
I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
Well it might, I mean there might be gluten free wafers.
I don't think the wafers are.

Speaker 8 (01:17:21):
Gluten free though, Courtney, what about you? What's yours?

Speaker 13 (01:17:24):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
Stuffing? The stuffing, stuffing. I make really good stuffing. It's
Mien's recipe.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
All of us make it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:31):
It is the freaking best. And then the mashed potatoes too.
I break my rice aer out. I make them good
and proper.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
You break the rier out.

Speaker 7 (01:17:43):
This is the Irish speaking. I think ricer So you
don't get gluey mashed potatoes. You put the boiled potatoes
through a riser instead of mashing them.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
It's a makes some smooth, right, it makes some smooth.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Yeah. I could live off of mashed potato me too.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
Warm the milk and the butter and the saucepan while
it's there, it's so delicte saucepan.

Speaker 11 (01:18:08):
You know, fa.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Sausage in your saucepan for that stuffing on sausage and
the sausage kinds.

Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
Yes, And the stuffing there is well listen, stick around
because after the break we it's going to be all
about you. We've got some talkbacks and we have more
of your thoughts and feedbacks, and we'd love we'd love
a call eight at eight three one crime.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
It's true Crime tonight. We are talking true crime all
the time with you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney
Armstrong and Body.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Move in and listen. We have a talkback to ghost two. Hi,
this is Lisa from Pittsburgh calling.

Speaker 14 (01:19:03):
I just heard Ainsley's from Canada's talk back regarding in
cells and how she can protect herself from the online
gaming community. But she also said she's concerned about how
easily young men are in this situation. As a mother
of a sixteen year old boy, how can I protect
him as well?

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Hey, this is Lisa from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 14 (01:19:25):
I just left to talk back, but I just wanted
to clarify and protecting my son from the online gaming
I don't necessarily mean by being a victim of an insell,
but actually becoming one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
That's my big concern.

Speaker 14 (01:19:39):
How can I connect with him in a way that
helps him from being caught up in these things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
That is a great question, man, that's a great question.
By the way, just the fact that you're asking yourself
that as a parent says a lot. Period the end,
the fact that you were that astute to know that
this is a warning or something that needs a deeper
look means that you were already swimming in the right pond,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:20:07):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Lisa, thank you so much for both
of those. And I mean, listen, I think we're all
searching for answers, but I can say part of you know,
in working on this project at KATI and all of
the interviews that have been done, what experts say is,
you know, asking the questions, being even aware is a

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big deal. Talking to your son and just you know,
as much as you can try and sort of find
out what is happening online and also just keep honest
open conversations where possible, which with the fourteen is oxymeronic
to say, even as I say, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Like even like really like, who's having these big, heavy,
open conversations about online dark rooms?

Speaker 11 (01:20:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
You know, I heard some good advice. I'm just sharing this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I'm not giving it I'm just I thought it was interesting,
which was rather than you know, we all do it, right,
You get your kid, gets in the car, how is
your day?

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
And you know, automatic shutdown. Who really wants to answer
that question?

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I know I didn't, Right, It's just like fine, it's
just not a great setup, right, But if you want
to get into a conversation that's perhaps deeper about these
dark places, you can kind of come at it from
a more I don't know if third person is the
right word, but sort of like, hey, I'm giving a
very baseline example. Tell me what it's like to be

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a fourteen year old in middle school right now? And
you know what are what are teenagers experiencing online?

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Like it's a little removed? Is that right person?

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
That is exactly third person? Or even if it's you know,
oh what's himmy looking at? Or even if you kind
of couch, it as not the kid, but another thing
is just looking at the kid holistically? As are they
getting literally outdoors? Do they have any friends? Do they
have any kind of an interest outside of their room?

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And I say this with seriousness, because there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Of their interest kids friends are online.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
I mean, that's it's it's.

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
Lack of personal interaction is something to look out for
and to literally coax kids if they're staying in their
room and a lot of kids that is what their
social activity is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
But just making sure face to face, I would.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
Encourage, you know, parents of children at this really impressionable age,
to encourage your children to get into some school activities,
to like band or drama or choir, or soccer or
baseball or you know something. It doesn't have to be
in person Dungeons and Dragons, which I pilayed in person

(01:22:58):
Dungeons and Dragons and look at me, I'm right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
But if they're feeling alienated from school, or they don't
feel as though they're being invited into sports and clubs, yes,
it's such great advice, of course, like that's such a
sense of community and belonging. But sometimes these dark places
online are really luring and looking for those that are
disconnected at home a little bit, or maybe are very

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connected to mom or dad, and that's a certain dynamic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
But in the air quotes real.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
World, which is school and having to you know, muscle
up to survive the day, because kids can be really
rough at that age, and if you're feeling left out.
The last thing you want to do is go, you know,
participate in ban By the way, I loved all this
stuff at that age. I go with Soundnce is so fun, right,
But I think it's like opposite land if you're feeling disconnected.

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And there was that great doc We've talked about this
before from one of the mothers of the Columbine shooters,
and I'm getting it a little bit wrong. This is
a memory of this documentary and it's basically mom's account
of some of the red flags and the things that
she missed, and that she had a really close relationship
with her son. In fact, even that day, like the

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day before this shooting, she knew that there was maybe
some stuff happening in school.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
But you know, isn't that the story as old as time?

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Oh, middle school's hard, or or seeing some differences in
my young teenager okay, says everybody alive. Right, that's part
of being a teenager is like reacclimating and trying on
new identities and figuring out where you fit in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
That's a little trial and error, right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
That seems really you know, air quotes normal, and her
take on it was really interesting because you know, she did.
She hugged him, she had a kiss with him, She
felt as though she knew what was happening with him,
even though he was spending a lot of time online downstairs.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
And the truth is she missed it.

Speaker 10 (01:24:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
So this little young man gave mom the sense that
everything was open. Right. That's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
I just think the fact that you're asking the questions
says a lot about you as mom, and you know,
big hugs and high fives. It is no easy task
and it's not such a simple answer. But anyone who
has advice, please let's take it. We have somebody amazing
coming on on Thursday as well who may share some
tips and advice as well, and just like ways to

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talk to kids and talk to each other frankly, So anyway,
food for thought. We have another do'll be great.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Hey guys, it's Ainsley calling from Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I just want to give a big shadow to Sam
and Adam navigate to all of the sound issues you
guys run into.

Speaker 7 (01:25:47):
So well, you guys make it seem so seamless even
when there's heck ups.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
So awesome job, Sam and Adam. I think related wait
is so cute and so true appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:02):
You know, we try our best around here, and I'm
glad it sounds good to you, because sometimes it feels
crazy over here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
But glad it's translating well. Absolutely, do we have.

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
Another talk back?

Speaker 13 (01:26:20):
Awesome Hither True Crime tonight? Friends, It's from BC Canada.
You want a really easy slow cooker recipe, here's one
of my favorites. Get whatever your favorite salsa is, two
jars of it usually works, skin less phonelos, chicken breasts

(01:26:40):
and then corn and black beans. The chicken breast from
the bottom of the cooker. Pour your beans on, your corn,
on your salsa on, churn it on for about six
hours or so on lo is fine. Once it's all done,
you can shred up the chicken like a polk pork,
but a full chicken instead. Mix it all up and

(01:27:03):
you've got the best salsa chicken tacos ever. Get whatever
you like, taco bowl, soft taco whatever, cheese, veggies, super easy,
super yummy and works well to free the leftovers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
I'm making this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Honor of Courtney Armstrong's birthday. I'm going to make the
slow cooker.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
I'm going to do this that I talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
I can do that I am on it interesting the
little added tip that you put the meat down, the
chicken down, and then everything on top of it. You
don't stir, and I think I mix it all up
when I do the slow cooker and that doesn't and
maybe that's not right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
I think it's the one to sit.

Speaker 8 (01:27:43):
Yeah, the meat was supposed to be towards the bottom because.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
I don't know. It's fun interesting tip. I did not
know that.

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
I think so you handle salmonila like a champ. You
never know, right, I have my stomach.

Speaker 8 (01:28:04):
That's funny, but I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
That's a good rest of it sounds delicious.

Speaker 8 (01:28:08):
Thank you, right, I think we have ano.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Let's go to one another.

Speaker 9 (01:28:13):
Yes, hey, ladies and taha. This is Julia from South Carolina.
I love this show, by the way, but I'm just
dying laughing over here hearing you guys talking about memento
cheese and a jar. Because girls, memento cheese has not
come in a jar in a long time, and you
do have to get it in the refrigerated section of

(01:28:35):
the grocery store. So please go to your grocery store
and look the hummus or the block of moli and
you will find some delicious mento cheese, and you do
not have to make it, and it's much better than
what you ate as a kid. To enjoy and keep
doing what you're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:28:53):
All right, bye, ladies, Okay, you're fair totally right, and
I'm embarrassed, totally right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
They don't, they don't sell that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:01):
I like the one in the can in the glass
jar with the blue lid, and I know that the
stuff in the refrigerator probably is better for me, and
it's not, but it.

Speaker 7 (01:29:10):
Doesn't taste like the stuff that is a kid's taste test.
But I think we have to live in reality. It
sounds like our callers said that that doesn't that is
no longer, so we're going to move forward with store
bought no one's You don't have to make to make it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
Yeah, I know, but it doesn't taste as.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Good I've.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
Do you like laughing cheese? The little triangles I love.
I can eat the whole round until we discovered it. Yeah,
so delicious, very delicious. Every time I unpeel like the foil,
it's like I'm so excited and happy. I'm like, it's
almost Do you ever buy the wax one with.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
The wax little red are different the baby bells.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
The baby bells.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
Oh, I don't love the baby bells.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I like the terrible I like the idea of them,
but they always like, don't taste as good as I
want them to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
They're not as good as the laughing.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
They're a little rasberries.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
They're a little rubbery.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
I don't know, like I used to always pack them
in my lunch and it was always a little like
my cheese stinks.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
I like them because they.

Speaker 8 (01:30:15):
Look like pac Man when you open them, though they
do look cute when you eat them, and they're carry yeah,
shame on them.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Like I like the idea of that a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
I just want them to be a Tattyummier's cheese like
cheese is good on anything?

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
Same?

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
What actually, what is your favorite cheese?

Speaker 7 (01:30:36):
Editot three one crime no joking around Manchego is what
comes top to mind, and I always love a Spanish cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
But I really don't discriminate.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
I don't even know if I've had that, Oh, baked
break maybe baked, okay, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Why did everybody give me a bad look? Or you
don't like bake? I love baked bread. That's a good.

Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
Give me something I'm hungry right now.

Speaker 8 (01:31:06):
The only one I don't like is I don't like
the really stinky cheeses like dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Give it to you do? Do you guys remember our
parents used to go to fondue parties. I love a party.
Let's have that tomorrow. Why don't we have those anymore?
Why don't we do because we have too much stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
I've decided, well, there's another pot and all the sticks
and then yeah, it's like where you put who is a.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Space for all that cookers and the this ers.

Speaker 7 (01:31:30):
I actually have a thing, and I got it for
my wedding registry and everyone was like, you will never
use it. However, what we have used it for is
a what is it shabu shabo where you have it
oiling and it's actually really fun if you're watching a movie,
because then you dip your vegetables or your meat in
it and cooks right in front of your face, and

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then you just dip it in the sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
That's a great interactive Dinner.

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
Is one of my favorite things in the world and mine.
So you can eat by my house. You pay thirty
four dollars and there's refrigerators full of like lobster tail
and all life and and then you need to choose
your broth. Do you want like a tie basil or
do you want like a coconut? And I'm like, okay,

(01:32:17):
it's my favorite, do all of it.

Speaker 8 (01:32:19):
And it is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
So it's the only thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
You got to slow the roll we got to do,
you know, like yourself like and all you can eat,
but like you can take a slow roll.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
They always make the bread looks so good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Yeah, because it does look up. Yeah, that's a secret.
It's a Vegas trick.

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
It is to buffet all you can eat. Like for me,
like I navigate first and look it all over and
second forth. Yeah, because I don't want to go crazy
with the things at the front and later say oh dang,
you gotta don't skip.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Yeah, don't start with the watter. Do the same there
you go.

Speaker 8 (01:32:51):
Yeah, that's the trick.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
So yeah, when we come to most of the buffets
here are closed. After COVID they shut down a lot
of the buffets. There's only a lot. Yeah, the peel
and eat them shrimp boys be so excited.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
So I'm just gonna disagree with the shabboo shaboo.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
I think it's a lot of work and it's like
not enough meat, like you know that was waiting for
that one little strip.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Over so quick.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
Got to cook it again on a candle.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
You cook it in a candle.

Speaker 6 (01:33:31):
The new place.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
No, it's biling.

Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
It is boiling. But that's a point.

Speaker 7 (01:33:36):
Well, day, that's why you need it during a movie
because it takes two hours to eat it.

Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
Enough valid point.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
We're like little laving chickens.

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
Well, listen, we have a huge day to borrow.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
We'll forget.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
It's Courtney Armstrong's birthday, so we are going to We
told her to take the night off so she can go,
you know, party like a rock star, but she.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Doesn't want to be any anywhere else with you guys. Yay,
that is so exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
So everybody, when you wake up tomorrow, think about coordinate
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Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
This was a fun, like you know, very unfun topics
and very fun time spent, So thank you for sharing
it with us. Stay safe out there, We'll see you tomorrow.
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