Epstein’s Banks, Missing 9-Year-Old Melodee Buzzard, and the 764 Network

Digging into your messages on this week’s biggest cases — from the Epstein banking scandal and what major financial institutions may have ignored, to the disappearance of 9-year-old Melodee Buzzard and her mother’s recent arrest. Plus, your talkbacks on the growing 764 online exploitation network, and your takes on The Perfect Neighbor and Don’t Date Brandon. Tune in for all the details.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Tuesday, November eleventh. Apparently that
is a very significant date. It is eleven eleven. Do
with that what you want, but I guess make a wish, yeah,
do good things, have great thoughts, and you know, speaking
of great thoughts, it is talk Back Tuesday, our favorite

(00:42):
night of the week where we get sound off and
hear from you. So please jump in join the conversation.
Eight eight eight three one crime. We have a stacked
night of talkbacks. Lots to discuss about Epstein, lots of
banking questions. Also, we have some new developments regarding nine
year old Melody Buzzard and her search where is Melody Buzzard?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
And much much more, and also a lot of cheese
up dates.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
So the demento cheese has been getting a lot of chatter,
So a men to that, and thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Keep the tips coming, and you know, listen.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
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It is not an easy time in the country right
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Speaker 3 (01:34):
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I'm Stephanie Lai Decker here, of course, with my favorite crew,
Courtney Armstrong. Body move in, and we have Taha and
Adam in the control room is on the straight and narrow,

(02:01):
so talkbacks, Listen, let's get to them, but keep them
coming throughout the night and we will try to squeeze
them in for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Real time. Let's go to one.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Now, Hey, y'all, it's step from Obama Again. I realized
I had another question. So this is not political. This
is just solely based on the kind of person that
Gallayne Maxwell is and the horrific and gross and disgusting
things that she was involved in. So I need to
understand how she can be even given a thought on

(02:30):
a possible pardon she does not deserve a pardon, not
for the things that she does, and not with her
being able to do whatever she's doing.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Now, you know, I can imagine her sitting in her
car because that's what it's like, like smacking her hands
together like she said that with conviction, Yes, she mend.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's all pretty shocking.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
And the allegation or the conspiracy theory is take it
for what you want. Is that because she may have
powerful information to share or you know, people are very
very clear that they don't necessarily want her to share
that maybe she's getting preferential treatment as a result.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Courtney or not. You are shaking that head, shaking my head.
I have to agree with you.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
The words you use, you know, just egregious and how
could this be possible? One thing I will state is
that in this moment, the pardon is it's nowhere near
an official thing, right the you know, she has not
been pardoned, and allegedly Trump said he would quote take
a look at it, but that he has not yet

(03:34):
considered it.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
So there is that.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
There is that when we can remain hopeful and she is,
in fact, though you know, applying for correct You know,
I think they call it clemency, right, am I saying
that correctly? So you know she is putting together, you know,
with attorneys and you know the added help that she's
getting from Warden's after hours to do printing, and that
is getting her case together. That's her goal, right, is

(03:59):
to be excused from the punishment that she is claiming
she did not do. You know, it's funny the place
that she's being held, just to add some context to
it being a low security facility, it's called a facility,
so keep that in mind as well. I don't even
think there are gates or anything. It's like you remember
Jenshaw from have watched The Housewives City, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Allegedly where she had been. Are they together in the
same prison?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
So they say that they keep it very confidential who
these individual types of you know, air quotes, guests are
guests as you know, as a kind of just an assessment.
Elizabeth Holmes, you remember her, the founder, correct exactly, Convicted
of fraud, serving an eleven year sentence. Again Geelane Maxwell

(04:54):
has been brought down on charges for sexual abuse and trafficking.
I mean, think about it, so you know, here you
are again, I'm not discounting Genshaw, who you know, was
convicted of telemarketing fraud. Yes, that's bad, and you know
she's serving her time and taking it like a champ,

(05:15):
But is that really the same category?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And I think that's why people feel outraged.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
And then on top of that, to hear that she's
playing with pets and having access to computers that are
not regulated by this basically yes, literally, she.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Has her own personal butler.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
It sounds like, you know, and again it's really terrible
because the implications of having access to a computer that
is not being appropriately regulated allegedly, allegedly allegedly could imply
that she is also maintaining access with very important people.
And that's part of the equation here. Yeah, in order

(05:51):
for this type of transfer to happen, we're told there
needs to be some sort of like almost like a ticket,
like somebody has to sign off on it. It's a
big deal. And if that's the case, then then who
signed that and why?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
I just find that so unimaginable that she can have
the computer thing is really bothering me because she's able
to communicate with the outside world without any monitoring. She
could be talking to some like a terrorist.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I don't know something.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
And what she is accused of is a worldwide operation
that is potentially still happening in real time.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
That is the accusation.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
So it's not as though this is, you know, a
petty local crime. This is something that's very dangerous. So
I find it so surprising as well and disappointing.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Yeah, it's upsetting, it's very upsetting. I don't even know
what to say about it anymore. I feel like I've
angered myself out a little bit, you know, like fair.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Enough, you know what I mean, Yeah, let's talk cheese.
I no, no, no, no, that's not what I mean.
That's not what I mean.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
I just I don't even I just don't know how
to how to be Like I'm stunned, more outraged more.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
I like it's like how how is this possible?

Speaker 5 (06:59):
But always appeal but I feel like every day I
get just a little bit more, you know, it just
keeps adding up, Like I just you learn a little
bit more about you know, she's a guest.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
What she's a prisoner, she's a guest.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
Is she's a.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Convicted Yes, she's a convicted guest. Convicted guest.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
So I don't know make of it what you will,
you know we will be following it closely.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Oh. Absolutely, Let's go to another talk back.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
Let's do it, do it?

Speaker 8 (07:26):
I true crime.

Speaker 9 (07:27):
Gigi.

Speaker 8 (07:28):
Here, I'm listening to your podcast from yesterday and you're
talking about Gillen Maxwell and it's so under my skin.
I think people need to remember how naive teenage girls are.
They are extremely naive. Their brains aren't developed properly yet.
They don't make good decisions for themselves. So yes, if

(07:50):
a rich power for woman holds out her hand, they're
going to follow them.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I would have honest hundered. Oh me too, I'm
still naive. I'm fifty. Yeah, you know totally.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
That's the trick. That's exactly right. And they're looking for
those types of girls.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Right right.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
And you know, I think that's the point of them
recruiting these girls. They know that they're vulnerable, their naive.
This is exactly the playbook they intentionally target them, right. Yeah,
that was a good talk back in your spot on,
I think, And.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
I love your pronunciation of her name. I really don't,
you know.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
My mom was telling me my mom is in town visiting,
and she was, you know, giving me all kinds of
chatter because she had just finished reading the autobiography and
the book you Know, Nobody's Girls, written by Virginia Gruffrey,
the main face of this case, who recently took her
life back in April, and you know, the tidbits of it,

(08:52):
you know, are paraphrasing of course, were dad was sexually
abusing her at a very early age. Dad was working
at the hotel mar A Lago when introduced to Epstein,
you know, was there already just this this feeling in
the air. We talk about trafficking and maybe sometimes there

(09:13):
being somebody on the inside not making that allegation. But
you know, sometimes a victim of abuse repeats that abuse
just because it's so familiar and right in front of them, comfortable,
they know it's all you know, and you know, it's
really shocking and sad, and it's something I definitely want
to look into more also because yeah, she's the perfect

(09:36):
victim right for the taking, and so young she can't
really fight back.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
That's exactly right. Well, this is your crime. Tonight we
are on iHeartRadio. We are thrilled to be with you
this Tuesday, November eleventh, this Veterans Day. Once again, Happy
Veterans Day. I'm Courtney. I am here with Body Movin
and Stephanie Leidecker and we're talking about Geelaine Maxwell and
the treatment she getting. If you have any opinions, give
us a call at eighty eight three one Crime and

(10:05):
let's go to another talk back.

Speaker 10 (10:07):
Hey, y'all, this is Jennifer from Texas.

Speaker 9 (10:09):
I was listening to your coverage from Monday night, specifically
about Epstein and the files related to the banks, and
I am just having a hard time understanding.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Can you lay it out for me?

Speaker 9 (10:23):
Like I am a total dummy and don't understand anything
because I kind of don't. Thank you so much. I
appreciate you all.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
I'm so glad that she asked that, because I was
scared to say the same thing. I didn't really understand.
I really didn't. Stephanie, you did a great job of
laying it out, but I am like a financial idiot.
Can you lay out for us again, what's going on there?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I mean if you go to the specifics and Courtney's
Alteeda because we have some straight fascist yeah straight.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's not theory.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
These are indictments and things that have been stated in
indictments and banks that are now being brought into the
larger conversation, but frankly have been in the conversation for
years and years and years. We just didn't know it
and there was no access to this information. So now
in the more recent of the air quotes dumps of

(11:14):
information that we're getting in bits and pieces and you know,
partial transparency. Some of the things that are being noted
are these bank transfers from very large, notable banks and
the you know, theory being that hush money to victims
or actual operations of sex trafficking rings that could be

(11:34):
worldwide require payments and money funneling in and out of
various big banks. Typically those banks are have an oversight.
You know, there's regulations and there's checks and balances, and
it's very important stuff because obviously money laundering or drug money,
you know, nobody has to be clean money. So in many,

(11:56):
many cases, and we can give you real specifics, all
of those red flags were flagged at various major banks,
but all of them were overlooked, and it's pretty stunning, so,
you know, just not even to theorize just the facts,
ma'am Courtney Armstrong, give it to us straight.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Yeah, absolutely, and this is multiple banks were involved, so
we'll give you just a few JP Morgan Chase. So
they processed more than one billion with a BEE one
billion dollars in transactions for Epstein. This is over a
fifteen year relationship. And this absolutely includes after his two
thousand and eight conviction for soliciting a minor.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
So one billion dollars yes for this air quotes financier.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, and that is actually more revenue than any other
investor in the bank's private banking division, in the whole division.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
So he was the golden.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
Goose because upon all of these transactions, that's how bankers
make their money, right. And also Ebstein did great things
for JP Morgan Chase, including introducing other high profile clients
such as Google co founder Sergey brin So. And also
here's where things get personal and even more slippery. So

(13:13):
one of the former top executives at JP Morgan was
Just Staley, and they had an unusually close personal relationship
with Epstein, visiting his properties, exchanging hundreds of emails.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's the one that said the snow white comment. Right,
it's like, ooh, that was a fun night. You know,
what character do you want to be next time? And
Epstein's he said beauty and the.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
Beast, correct, And so Staley was a key advocate for
keeping Epstein on as a client.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Wonder why so?

Speaker 7 (13:45):
And then finally for JP Morgan Chase, they settled lawsuits
that were brought by Epstein's victims for two hundred and
ninety million dollars, as well as things that were going
on in the US Virgin Islands for seven million dollars. However,
they did not admit liability.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
So do you hear those numbers?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Seventy million, two ninety million, million, one to two million
dollars were your bring to?

Speaker 5 (14:11):
I get lost in the sauce because it's just, yeah,
my brain just like melts in.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
On itself, like what so? What so?

Speaker 7 (14:17):
JP Morgan Chase was well aware that Jeffrey Epstein of
what he was doing, and in fact, Jeffrey Epstein had
close personal relationship.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Was convicted, right, he was.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
Convicted, absolutely, and part of the money they were moving
around went to go to pay out his victims. And
then Deutsche Bank actually this will continue I think after
the break, but for just a little tip. Regulators found
that Deutsche Bank witnessed and failed to report a stream

(14:48):
of red flags. This includes millions of dollars that were
sent to women with Eastern European surnames and with what
they're calling far fetched explanations for the transfers tuition and rent.
But this again is millions of dollars. So listen, keep
it here because after the break we will continue going

(15:09):
down this financial road with a little bit more details.
We've also got pimento cheese on the brain. Apparently you
guys you're common and hot. And of course we will
have an update on Melody Buzzard. We'll have that more
and hopefully you can give us a call. We'd love
to speak with you. Eighty to eighty three one Crime,
True Crime Tonight, where we are talking true crime all
the time.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
my dance in mates, Courtney Armstrong, body move in. Everybody
was really we really were throwing it up right now.
A little boogie on this Tuesday night. Certainly can't hurt. It,
certainly can't hurt. Welcome back to tap Back Tuesday's Talk Back.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Why I said it that way, I'll never do that again.
I promise. In fact, we were just on a roll.
Courtney Armstrong is on a.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Tear talking about the banking behaviors related to Jeffrey Epstein
and the allegation. So I mean, listen, they're pretty wide spreading,
even just another one, Bank of America, a lawsuit alleges
that the bank, of course provided services that enabled Epstein's
sex trafficking operation and failed to require any particular filings

(16:38):
once there had in fact been red flags raised.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Excuse me gets me so riled up?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Also, bny Mellon the bn Y Bank also sued for
allegedly processing large sums roughly around three hundred and seventy
eight million US dollars to a modeling agency tie to
Epstein's trafficking ring, and was also granting him like an

(17:05):
excessively large line of credit.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
So that's like the scope of this. In court, you
were just talking about Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Yes, although my gosh, so I can't believe that's three
million dollar figure you just threw out again these it's astronomical,
and it's all of the banks are being hit by this,
but Deutsche Bank. So they became Epstein's primary bank back
in twenty thirteen, and this was after JP Morgan Chase
ultimately dropped him as a client. And remember that there

(17:36):
was an executive, a very top executive, Jess Staley we
mentioned last segment, with a very close personal relationship.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
So he becomes important in a moment.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
So Deutsche Bank, So the regulators witnessed a stream of
red flags, and they also agreed to pay one hundred
and fifty million dollars in a settlement with New York
regulators over its relationship with Epstein. So guess what you're
paying regulators.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
The specific relationship with Epstein.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
It wasn't just like you know, your relationship with customers
or whatever client like with Epstein, Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
And they were like buzz And there was an alleged
text exchange which we've talked about now a few times
between the two of them, and I think the most
recent one from Staley to Epstein was Wow, that was
a fun night. And then Epstein says, what character do
you want to be next time? And then he repeats

(18:35):
beauty and the beast nasty?

Speaker 3 (18:38):
You're nasty? Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
So the last bank is Barclays and Jess Staley once
again after leaving j C.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Morgan Chase excuse me.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
He became CEO of Barclay's, and then also then Epstein followed,
and then finally the guy stepped down in twenty twenty
one due to an investigation into his ties with Epstein.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
So everybody's been new information. Yeah, this has been going
on since the beginning of time. It's the biggest open secret.
But because all of these high falutant players have been
involved at this at the highest level and are probably
financially benefiting, it's a blind eye.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yes, body moving shy.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
I have my hand raised because listen, in the spirit
of the woman, I'm so sorry I forgot her name
that left the talk back. I still feel kind of
like an idiot. Okay, So in Layman's terms, for people
like me out there, when you're starting, when you start
talking about banks and finance, I kind of like block
out right, is the idea that everybody was benefiting from

(19:46):
Jeffrey Ebstein's sex trafficking. They all knew about it, They
have all the red flags. He was a convicted sex
trafficker at this time. They all were benefiting from the
transaction fees and the backscratching and whatnot, So they just
turned a blind eye and ignored the you know, multiple
transaction logs and ctrs and everything, all right, So that's
the that's the idea.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
So that's the that's the summary of it all.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
And the idea of sex trafficking in its most basic form,
certainly in this case, is you know, imagine a human
as an item. So if you're in a big business
and you're in the business of selling blocks, and there
is a surplus of blocks, and you're getting top dollar
for said blocks, there's a lot of transactions happening through

(20:30):
your banking now make that humans.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yes, right, So where was the money coming from?

Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's the question. Oh, that's the question. And I feel
like this is a pretty answerable question.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
It's like I got it now, guys, Yeah, no, you
got it. You got it.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
We just don't know what it gets us too, right,
Like what's the who's the top dog, who is benefiting
the most? It's the same thing as we were just
talking about with Gelane Maxwell and her preferential treatment that
she's getting at her facility. Who signed the waiver to
allow that to be the case? Just release that and
like who made the recommendation. It requires some special filings

(21:06):
for a sex offender to be transferred in this manner
as a norm. Okay, well, just show us who sign
the waiver. That'll solve this riddle real quick. And when
it comes to the banking only now are we seeing
some of these transactions because it's being released from various sources.
The hope is that now that we'll hopefully have an
open government in the coming days. You know, please God

(21:30):
willing for so many and for reasons, don't get me started,
for so many people in need. One of the other
potential you know, silver linings would be the two hundred
and eighteenth signature required from you know, the congresswoman, who
will not who will finally get signed in and maybe
these files will be released. It's not just names, it's

(21:51):
things like this. It's banking. Who's filing these reports? Where
are the taxes for this? Who is the main dog
that is fun all of this? You know, fund right, well,
we're gonna we're gonna keep We're gonna.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
Keep a modeling agency. You need to stay on it.
You need to stay on top of this. You're like
a dog with a bone, and I you know what,
if anybody's gonna figure out, it's going to be this
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Speaker 3 (22:29):
Let's go to a talkback right now.

Speaker 11 (22:31):
Hello, Michelle with one L here and I am really
concerned about the Buzzard case. And I want to know
why hoses the judge compelled mom to produce the like
in the Ballad case.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Does it have to be more time?

Speaker 11 (22:48):
I'm just it's very infuriating and worrisome.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
So why why has that happened yet?

Speaker 11 (22:54):
Any thoughts?

Speaker 10 (22:54):
Think you love your show.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Michelle, Michelle was one.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Now you know that's a great question, Michelle with wanew
and that's what I'm going to call you for the
rest of my life.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Michelle Wine. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
And you know there's other cases where you know, things
like this have happened and the parents have been arrested
for you know, failure to report your child missing for
like that's one right, Well, she didn't do that because
she knows exactly where her child is.

Speaker 12 (23:26):
Right.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Parents have been charged with things like obstruction of justice, right,
but you know they I don't know why they haven't.
But she has been charged with this, uh you know
idea that she basically was holding somebody hostage.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Right, this is kind of a new thing. She's going
to be rained.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
I believe tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, she's going to be a
tomorrow for this. And the guy that she held captive
has come forward. We talk about this a little bit, yea,
please just start to talk. Let's talk about this a
little bit. And you know, this is just insane. So
there's a guy named Tyler Brewer. Brewer, sorry, I would

(24:09):
do that again. He's a paralegal and apparently after Melody
went missing, he went to the home to offer his services,
like to help find Melody, okay, And when he got there,
you know, he was talking to Ashley, this is the
mother of Melody, and according to him, he kind of
she lets something slip that she later regretted, and she

(24:32):
locked all the bolts on the door and got a
box cutter and basically I'm paraphrasing here, wouldn't let him leave, Okay,
so that's why she got arrested. And this happened on
November sixth, this this you know, this altercation. Now since then,
it's come out that the thing that she let slip

(24:54):
was where she took melody, So there's some hope, you know.
But Tyler, the man that was you know, held captive,
says he doesn't know if he believes her. But he
is a mandate a reporter, you know, because he does
many different he's kind of like a jack of all trades.
And he did, you know, obviously inform the police department,

(25:15):
because I mean, she's been arrested. He obviously they know
this happened. So hopefully there's some movement there. And I'm
venturing to guess that she's going to be found around
some and I think she might be alive. To you guys,
I think yes, you know, I think so too. And
I really kind of think that Mom because Tyler, remember
we were talking yesterday and I mentioned like maybe Mom

(25:38):
is just really paranoid, like even the FB, Like she's
in a state where the paranoia has taken over and
she's trying to like protect her daughter, right, and so
she gets her out of the state, right. I don't know,
and even in her mind in this paranoid state, even
the FBI or the bad guys right like, even they

(26:00):
can't know where she's at. She has to be protected.
This is why I'm hoping. I mean, I'm very much hoping.
And I think if you look at the route she took,
it was reported that she was seen in Utah right
with Melanie, and that was in junction Utah. Okay, there's
a private investigator out there right now kind of scoping

(26:21):
it out. But if you look at the route, in
order to get the junction Utah, she would have to
get off her main route.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
So there's a reason she went to this junction Utah.
I think, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
So we don't know anything other than this kind of
hung with me last night and we talked about this
very briefly. That it had also been reported that she
knew several of her now deceased father's friends along the
way on that route. So dad died in a car

(26:52):
accident very tragically, or a motorbike accident. He died and
leaving her a single mother who has now either hit
very hard times emotionally speaking and is having a psychotic
break or is justified and thinks it's in her best
interest of her daughter to move her someplace safe out

(27:13):
of reality, or she's done something nefarious to her child,
and you know, that's the scenario above all else that
we want to eliminate immediately, of course, and.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
This is giving some hope for that.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
I hope, I mean, I hope I'm not being like Pollyanna,
you know, m because this does have a lot of
scary details to it, like the wigs, the way it's
reported that along this route to and from that, you know,
mom changed wigs several times. The license plates, she changed

(27:47):
her license plates after she got the car from the
rental facility. Those are scary details, right, those are scary details.
And you know we've been learning through you know, no
learning about trafficking and whatnot, that this is kind of
a scary thing to to to realize has happened, that
she's changing these plates and whatnot. So yeah, they're very Yeah,

(28:11):
they're tells thank you.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, Well, we'll see.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
I'm seeing you had mentioned Utah before, and I'm seeing
on News Nation that Tyler Brewer, who you were speaking
about just now, that he does say that he suspects.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
That Melody is in Utah.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
Oh really, Yeah, so what I'm reading is he didn't
share any further details of her whereabouts with New News
Nation except to say he suspects the girl as in Utah.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
That's all the information.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Fingers are crossed, sending out as much love and light
to have that be the case. And by the way,
this guy is a hero. Not only is he, you know,
getting his life threatened with the box cutter and being
trapped behind closed doors by a potentially danger is woman
number one, then he has the nerve to go.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
And report it.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Hats off to law enforcement because they got her off
the streets temporarily on this charge at the bare minimum
while they investigate further. But at least now she's safe
and everybody around her is safe, and now we can
just pray for Melody is safe return right.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
And this Tyler a person that she you know, the
hero in our story right now, he's known Melody since
twenty fourteen. He's known her for a long time. Oh no, yeah,
so he is familiar with her. That's why she let
him in. And yeah, I'm sorry I should have been. No,
I said that a lot about this today too. He's
been concerned.

Speaker 12 (29:42):
You know.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
So he stopped by to offer like his help, you know,
as a friend or an acquaintance, and he said that
she is increasingly paranoid. So I thought that was important
to add, because you know, I'm talking about this paranoia, like,
why doesn't she just all the FBI where her daughter
as well? Maybe in her mind the FBI is out
to get her. Right, we're not paranoid people, so we

(30:05):
don't know what that's like. But if you are, you
might think the man is, they have to get me,
and they're gonna take my daughter, They're gonna you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, I mean that's what you know. Those are also
tells of a schizophrenic break. God forbid, you know that
will track.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
We're gonna have to see what happens tomorrow at her arraignment.
Apparently she's getting arranged tomorrow for this, you know, false imprisonment.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Do we know if that will be televised? I don't.
I don't know. I would imagine, but I'm not certain.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
I'd be very curious of her demeanor me too, if
in fact, if she speaks, if she speaks.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
If she even speaks at all, or like what her
plea's going.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
To be, right, and it's her right not to speak
or to have her attorney speak on her behalf and
et cetera.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
So but we'll keep following up. Yeah, like I'm hot
on this one. Yeah, I'm hot on this one.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
You did a great job laying that out, Like, OK, good, Yes,
and Courtney you with all that bank talk, very well done.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Very very well done. Courtney, You're so good at everything.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Oh, we're talking true crime all the time of Stephanie
Leidecker here with body Movin and Courtney Armstrong and of
course we have Taha and Adam on our favorite night
of the week, Talk Back Tuesday, and Happy veterans to
all who have served and are serving. Man, I mean,
we got to do better. I mean, this is something

(31:25):
that's affecting all of us. Somebody that we love so
so much, you know, was just relaying that her beloved
husband has just been, you know, deployed three days ago.
She's a single mom, two young children and no paycheck.
It's pretty wild and like no real clear direction, like
deployed for a year, which is such an incredible sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
So we honor.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
My dad was in the army and he served also,
and it is a real honor. Joseph Scott Morgan also yes, yes,
and so to the many.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
His military photo on Instagram.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
Yeah to see who.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I didn't see that today, but I have seen it
before and it's just you know, this is true honor.
So for all the servicemen and women who are serving,
we celebrate you entirely today and every day.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
So are we gonna do some talk box talk back apparently.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
Insists I know this time Adam's taking over, so let's
see which one he chooses be in the wheel.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I feel like we need a sound effect.

Speaker 13 (32:37):
Hey everyone, it's Laura from Material calling back. I'm the
Chipotle girlie. You're talking about factors on the podcast this morning.
It's so funny how you refer to it as such
ancient technology. At least turn in Canada for all healthcare
is so based on fact gen wowow, I see you
facts in my daily life. It's pretty okay indeed, but

(33:00):
not on that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
It is archaic. But you know what, it's reliable, right right.
That's the thing about it. It's reliable. It's a phone line,
it's analog. It's very reliable. So I can I can
see you know a lot of industry still using fact machines.
It's just surprising that the healthcare system would still neighbors
to the north.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
But I guess I would I question, like why if
in this day and age now you can print it,
like you can just send something in type prints instead of.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Your email or scan.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
It seems like a slower process and there's maybe more
a margin for error, but.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
It might be more because it's it's probably pretty secure,
right health stuff.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
That is very true. That is a good point.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Yeah, that is I not a lot of hackers attacking
fact machines.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
The heck my facts.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
They got my medical records from the facts shoe there.
We shall get our hardlines reinstalled.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
Right, Well, I think we can go to another one.

Speaker 9 (34:11):
All right, Hi.

Speaker 14 (34:12):
Guys, my name is Jess. I haven't called in before,
but I've been listening forever. I was just listening to
your Sunday Night show and the caller called in about
being an organ donner on your license. Well, let me speak,
because I'm actually a critical peer nurse and a trauma
sense of peer unit and organ donation status is not

(34:35):
something that we ever even know consider, it's not ever
communicated to us. That's something that like happens way after
you know, we person has been declared brain dead, but
we treat every priest the same, regardless of organ donation
status or other discriminatory Anyways, thanks guys, keep up the

(34:56):
great work.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Great talk bag. I love the clarity on that one, right.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, by the way, I did just check the box
for my organ donating on a new license, so good. Yeah,
I'm hats off, but yeah, I think that. I think
we all know that, but I do think it's worth restating.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Also, a hard job.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
What a hard job that is? Yeah, nurse or any
of that. Yeah, just urging care.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
And I was.

Speaker 7 (35:25):
Reading about obviously with the government shutdown, many things are impacted,
including the flight traffic coordinators and some some of the
things that were being down and not able to be
flown included some lungs for transplant.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I never thought about. Yeah, that's right. God, So what
did they do? You know what happened with the light?

Speaker 15 (35:51):
You know?

Speaker 7 (35:52):
I don't it was something, although if I find it,
I will circle back after the commercial.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
But goodness, it's the domino, or at least I don't
like the rip. I would not have even Yeah, oh god,
that's horrible.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Courtney and I worked for the great Jonathan Kotch. We
had a boss and someone who I consider a very
dear and beloved friend.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
So Jonathan Kotch.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
He he lost his arm, and long story short, was
the first person to have like a full on hand
arm replacement at UCLA, like the super Bowl of surgeries
in this case, in his case.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
And yeah, it's a very big deal.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
It's minute to minute, second to second, and once there
was an available limb, then yeah, it's like, you know,
a real big operation. You know that whatever happens has
to happen in record time, and you know the pacing
of that to keep it as a real viable option
for even a transplant is major high stake stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
I mean imagine.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
So yeah, things getting impacted that my heart, And it
turned out great for Jonathan. He has he is a
bionic man of greatness and we should have him on
sometime too.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Amazing great. So yeah, that's such a great talk back.
I'd never would have thought of that me neither.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
I had neither. I have a dumb question about the
organ donor or box that you checked. It's is it
every organ or is it like do you specify?

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Which was just one box. It was a general all
things in general, and you know they're not going to
want all of them, is my guess. I can't see
or hear.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Well, No, I'm I'm thinking about doing it myself because
of this conversation. This show impacts me a lot, and
this is one of the things that has made me
think about doing that and also some charity work I
want to do and let's.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Do it together. Yes, yes, I support the veterans too.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
It is it is, it is.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
It is eleven eleven, and not only is it Bedlins Day,
but it's Angel Day. It's eleven and you, guys, it's
you're making these decisions on eleven eleven. It's meant to
share a little child.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Just now, everybody listening, close your eyes, make a wish.
What are we going to do to make the world
a little better? And if you have any cliff notes,
let us know. But we are stronger together. I tell
you that.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
What else are we supposed to do on eleven eleven?
There's something like, is there some kind of ceremony that we.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Need to do?

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Like to make it a ceremony, Let's do it. Give
us a call eight to DA thirty one crime, let
us know, let us know.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Yeah, and now let's do some more talk backs.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Let me do it.

Speaker 10 (38:45):
Let's h true Crime Tonight. Is Christine from Alberta, Canada.
I listen to your podcast the next day through the
Spotify app and just recently noticed that we can leave
comments in question under each episode. My question is, are
you folks checking that app to see any questions or comments?

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Great question.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
I didn't even know, and we are checking those. I
will let you know that, Ava and Whitney, we have
been going through that's where sometimes where we just write
dms for everyone in our just to keep it kind
of simple. Not that I'm saying you guys need it
to be kept simple, but we keep it simple. Like
everything is in the DM section. But those are Spotify responses,

(39:31):
those are direct messages. There are other the Apple messages
we get as well, so we've been keeping all of
those and kind of cultivating everything.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
You know, Taha, I had no idea. You guys said that.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
I'm learning about how the show operates. I had no idea.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
But it's all and we keep the boring stuff off
your plate so you can focus on the interesting crime analyze.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
We love the comments and there you back in this.
You know it has been so fun. We keep them
coming because it's really such a joy.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
Yeah, that's my favorite part already, speaking of just do
some more of them.

Speaker 12 (40:10):
Hi, guys, it's Alicia from Atlanta. Listen, I'm gonna leave
you guys to stop date keeping. That's correct, date keeping.
The visual vibes, I could feel it through the phone.
I would love to see everyone's faces.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Okay, no makeup.

Speaker 12 (40:29):
Hear a mess yamma, not pajamas, just being over forty
and fabulous.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Should I take a screenshot right now of our little
screens Instagram?

Speaker 6 (40:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (40:47):
Yeah, embrace authenticity, and yes, I'll send it to really embrace. Okay,
ready everybody smiles two.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
About it?

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Oh wait, no I didn't, No, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Here we got we go ye there, Okay, we're gonna
post it. You couldn't hear me. But I said cheese
sneaking up.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, that should be the buzzword. That should be a
drinking game anytime we heard the word cheese.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
But your ears up again, which is so adorable. But
I did again.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Both of them have this like long mermaid hair, and
Courtney has come in tonight with body, both of them
with their hair, the hair drawn, it's down my headphones.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
They get like tangled in my arm. I just put
it up because it's like it's so pretty crime a river.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
It's for all of us to wear a red light
hair hat to you know, promote growth.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
I need all the light coolers there are.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
I was on a zoom the other day and I
was like, out, oh, yeah, I need a lot of
different light therapies, alligator.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
Skin, but pajamas, Like I would be into doing some
jammis at night. That would be kind of cute.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Maybe we'll do like a one night a week, you know,
but we have to embrace in that.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
It is the real of it.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
That we had on Thursday, definitely christ the pajamas that
she had on. I was like, I need our uniform,
can we please? Like yeah, it was so cute. She
was so cute and that should be our uniform.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
And by the way, like everything she said kind of
stuck with me because I found myself it's simple stuff
like sense and like, yeah, you know, it's getting really cold,
so having some candles, you know from TJ Max that
are again these are like very small little additions to
our world. But boy, they make a difference, and yeah,
maybe we need some like really beautiful pjs.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
Pjs and the diffuse user I can't talk enough about.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I have several diffusers in my house. Yes I do
stick that just come out, not even sticks.

Speaker 7 (43:07):
But you know, I think I'm using the wrong word.
They uh, they pour out steam. You turn them on
it and you put essential oils in central oil is
what I lift this, or lavender or if you want
to get all pumped up, you can do an orange
and I swear it changes the energy.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
And you just put that in and it misss. We're
going to get seven hundred talk backs about these.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I guarante ask the way I have when she's describing
to me, Yeah, orange is put to chains. She's so right,
and it does set the vibe. Shout out to Britney
Campbell who gave me mine. But I use it every
single day and you're one hundred percent right. And again
a really beautiful start to the day. A little a
little a rooumotherapy to check that out.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Oh yeah, I just use my Badine Works candle like
you know, pantry folds ridiculous front I.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Have, ye, Well, she steals on my bath and body
works coupons though.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
In my mailbox Ground Symbiotics, so this sounds wonderful.

Speaker 7 (44:16):
She takes coupon, actually physically goes to the store, and
then you end up with a candle.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yea that is not an easy store to walk into
because the smell.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Is very It's kind of like almost get overwhelmed a
little bicular store.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
I just kind of the eighth candle. I'm smelling them.
They all smell us like smells like tell the difference.
So but but I have to say, the pimental cheese
that you mentioned, We've gotten more talkbacks about that than
I don't know what. It's crazy.

Speaker 7 (44:51):
Everybody cares about your taste.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
But I'm so happy.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Then you guys, Adam, can we play one more of those?
Because I want we have so I want to hear one.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Oh my goodness, Hey.

Speaker 17 (45:02):
Ladies, this is Anna from Providence, Rhode Island.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I just wanted to comment.

Speaker 17 (45:07):
About the pimento cheese mystery.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
So I did a deep drive on Google.

Speaker 11 (45:12):
And craft markets.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
It as a pimento spread, not a cheese, and I'm
assuming this is.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Why it is shelf stable. I love your show. I
listen every day. Thanks by You're yes, so.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
I haven't seen it in a really long time. This
is okay, let me break this down's let's let's.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
End this Monday cheese. Okay, I got it.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
We always just called it pimento cheese. Okay, Okay, that's
just what we called it in my family. And I
haven't had it in like years, and I've been thinking
about it lately, and I'm like, God, I really want
that pimento cheese my mom used to buy. Well, I
haven't seen it in the stores, and I'm looking and
I'm looking and I'm looking, and because I haven't seen it,
I forgot that it's called pimento spread.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
But it's orange. It's like orange yellow like a cheese.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
So I just like, I literally can picture it. I need,
like an actual need.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I hosted it to my Instagram. You can go look
at a picture of it.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
Thank you for that talkback. Thank you for your deep dell. Yeah,
that we're looking for is spread and you know all
of the above, So listen, keep it up, and coming
up at the top of the next hour, we have
more of your talkbacks. You are driving the show tonight
as always on talkback Tuesdays, and we are going to

(46:30):
be covering some really shocking, lenient sentences that.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
We call into question.

Speaker 7 (46:35):
We have a little bit of justice fails and lots more.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Keep it here True Crime Tonight. We are talking true
crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. Stephan Decker here as always
with Courtney Armstrong. Body move in and yes we have
the gentleman. Taha and Adam are in the house and listen.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
It's talk Back Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
So we want to hear from you eight eight eight
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(47:31):
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Speaker 3 (47:43):
Please yet another talkback.

Speaker 18 (47:46):
Hey, this is Stephanie Thibodeaux from London, Ontario, and I
think that celebrities that are criminals and that are in
the jail system should be treated like other criminals and
not live a life of luxury. Anyway, love your show.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Bye here here sister, Absolutely I agree.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
The problem I think it comes to, like with Gidlaine Maxwell,
I think, you know, and Ditty and whatnot, is that
it's not just the money it's or the celebrity status.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
It's not that at all. It's the power that they have.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Right in Glene Maxwell's case, it's this information that she
might have that they don't want her to talk about
or they're hushing her up. In Ditty's case, it's like,
what can Diddy do for me when he gets out
exactly right?

Speaker 9 (48:38):
That's it?

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Or could he be dangerous potentially also when he's out,
So maybe he gets special treatment for that reason as well,
because listen, you know, come to think of it. By
the way, I agree with that talk back so much.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
But there are other cases too, now that I'm thinking
it through, that have had celebrity kind of backfire.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
You know, I don't know. I just watched the Martha
Stewart doc. Again. If you haven't seen that, that's a
good one. I haven't seen it. It's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
We should I mean, I know it's not a crime crime,
but it is true crime adjacent because.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Jail.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, and you know what, she took it like a
stud and you know, really felt as though it was
wrong and it was not easy. But that's what I mean, like,
you take, you take the punishment, you do the time,
you know, you you do better, you get yourself straight,
and you you do better in the world after.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
And that's when it gets me so bummed.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
About the Gilly Maxwells or the you know, maybe Diddy
who's not necessarily taking full accountability for what actually is
the problem and therefore still getting preferential treatment. That does
seem so unfair. Like the Krizzlies have a kind of
bad behind bars.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
And they said the part of getting in their food
and wild so sometimes it could be tough.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Let me ask you a question stuff, And I wanted
asked you last night, but I got distracted obviously.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Do you think the Hoots story is true? Yes? So
do I Yeah, you've had absolutely.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
Okay, so we're all on the same page. Okay, yeah,
maybe we would have somebody that disagreed, but okay, no.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
But that's what's so annoying about it is if it
is it a huge deal that they he drank fermented,
you know, apples, and that's like maybe a rite of
passage as you enter a new thing. No, I'm sure
it stinks to be behind bars, and I'm sure that
happens all the time. What's different is just recently did
he was touting how he's a changed man and a

(50:38):
sober man at that and that his sobriety and you know,
his compass as a man was full throttle improving and
at the first swing in a lower security system. He's
only been there for two weeks here where he has
two air quotes in fractions put against two. Yeah, the hoots,
which is this like bootleg booz I know the one right,

(51:00):
which again his lawyers have denied although I saw, I
don't know if this is a reliable enough source, but
TMZ reported that their sourcing says it's one hundred percent true,
and it's.

Speaker 7 (51:13):
They stand by They stand by the sourcing.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yeah, I believe that's one thing.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
And also he was like on a three way call,
which you're not allowed to do in prison. You can't
use the prison phone unless you're gilling Maxwell and you
get your own special phone probably, but in Diddi's case,
in a way to beat the system allegedly would be
you go through the prison phone, you know, as you
can picture it, it's like, ok, probably an ordeal, and

(51:41):
then they dial in the third person. Now it's no
longer in the source, right, so you can't just.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
People.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
I did not know that, Like I this is some
of the sun learning, So I didn't know if I
called someone they couldn't then bring other people.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
It's still real though, right, you cannot put three people
in call and just start bringing it in, right.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
It's actually it is a violation of the Federal Bureau
of Prisons, and it restricts inmates. They can only speak
with approved individuals, and these multiperson calls are one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
You can't dial a friend and pull them in a friend.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Yeah, that's going to be a new album when he
gets out front.

Speaker 6 (52:28):
Interesting, so we'll see.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
The prison officials are actually recommending he loses three months
or ninety days of phone privileges and ninety days of
commissary privileges. However, however, his legal team has stated the
call was just a procedural call. It was initiated by
one of his attorneys and was touched under attorney crime
privilege comes.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
On so he was calling in lawyers. That's even weirder.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Your lawyers don't allegedly know that you're not supposed to
dial in random people and a federal prison. When listen,
we've done so many shows with those who are serving
time behind bars, all kinds of different variations of projects,
and it's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
You have to put a very specific list together.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
You know, only X amount of people can you call
X amount of time. Sometimes you got to wait in line,
then you have to get dialed in. You have ten minutes.
If you get cut off, you got to go to
the back of the line. It is a thing, right,
it's everybody's linked to the outside world, and it's monitored
for obvious reasons. But it also is monitor because the
people on the list also have to be approved by

(53:34):
the prison system. Imagine you're you know, you're in prison
for doing drugs, and now you're dealing drugs from behind bars.
That's the kind of thing you're trying to avoid. I'm
not suggesting that's what Diddy was doing, but that's why
those rules exist. You know, think of the mob who
are like, oh yeah, let's get Uncle Knuckles to take
care of Uncle Vinnie.

Speaker 7 (53:54):
You know, and maybe the uncle knuckles uncle knuckles.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Rules, so you know, that's like you can't be doing
you can't be calling some shots or gambling behind bars,
even though I can imagine the list goes on. So
in Ditty's case, given what he has been accused of,
it's like, come on, really, Diddy, you think your fancy
lawyers didn't know that either. And again it's a bummer
because I like Ditty and I wanted to like Ditty,

(54:23):
and I'm just heartbroken over this all. And he has
a new headshot also known as a mug shot, and
it's staggering.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Wonder what your mugshot would ever look like? I don't wonder.
I'd be so hysterical.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
Side literally my eyelashes was falling off like dry heaving. Yeah,
they'd like smile, would sit like yeah, I would be
freaking out.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
The worst photo.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Well, I listen, having again I feel like I'm talking
about this damn license photo so much, but having just
taken a very unfortunate photo while crying, if trying, like
I couldn't get more time in effort into getting ready
for that photo, just get the what happens under like
duress and sobbing and.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Screaming in.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
Yeah, not a good photo.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Straight and narrow. Everybody keep on a straight and arrow
for that reason alone. Wow.

Speaker 7 (55:18):
Well, listen, this is true Crime tonight. If you've ever
wondered what your mugshot would look like, give us a call.
We're at eight at eight three one Crime. It's Talk
Back Tuesday, and tonight's topics are running the gamut and
are directed by you.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Let's go to another Hey, True Crime teams.

Speaker 15 (55:34):
Ainsley calling from Canada. I have a question with relation
to BK not pain restitution to his victims. Would he
not be in breach of his appeal since he's now
refusing to do this. I would love to hear your
thoughts and looking forward to listening to you next.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, we love you, Wainsley. Yes, I mean nails it right.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
So yeah, Judge Hippler, Judge Hitpler even kind of, you know,
implied that, like, hey, you agreed to pay a restitution
when you signed your appeal. It's part of the plea group.
So yeah, he would be in violation. And he's it's
not going to I mean he's going to have to
pay it back. He's not going to pay it back.
But I mean, obviously he doesn't have you know, two
hundred and seventy thousand dollars or whatever amount it is now.

(56:19):
But yeah, he would be in violation. That's part of
the agreement, is that he has to pay a restitution.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, but if he doesn't have the money, does it
therefore then fall upon his loved ones or family members?
Does it get transferred to family because that would not
be fair either, Jared Jared question, Oh, Jared Garantino, amazing
prosecutor is back tomorrow night. We're going to try to
implement He's going to come back on Wednesdays, give her too,

(56:47):
just to sort of answer any of our ongoing legal
questions on a.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Weekly basis, because he's so great and so smart. But
he really likes the show and really.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Wants to keep the conversation going right regularly. So that's
amazing for tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
He's a former prosecutor, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
So he's a person to ask.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Yeah, he's the perfect person to ask. And I don't
want to speak on a turn. So let's can we
put a pin in this talk back maybe and come
back to it.

Speaker 17 (57:14):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yes, I don't know. Question I would like the answer to. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Him tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Okay, cool, let's do it. I like that, Thank you.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
Great, all right, let's go to it. And I don't
know if was it me? Did you hear like club
music in the background and.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I want it's in my head? Is that no? But
in my head?

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (57:35):
Would you love to talk about there's always like.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Spin in the tunes? She's got the DJ. What's ne.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Hi'all?

Speaker 19 (57:49):
I've been hearing your reporting on the Melody Buzzed case
and wanted to bring up a similar case. I would
love to hear you guys talk about. Out of Cornelius,
North Carolina, eleven year old Madelina could Cary went missing
in twenty twenty two. Both her mom and stepfather failed
to report her missing, and it was later found that
her mom had spoken to a distant relative about trying
to smuggle her away. When they searched her car, found

(58:12):
multiple documents and passports for Madelina, she still has not found.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah, I know about this one, you know. Mom? Oh gosh, Mom.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Mom burned all of her daughter's photos and hid a
bag of cash and paid a priest thousands of dollars
and then fled the United States to her home country
of I think Moldova and this is where that priest is.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
It's a very very very weird case.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
The mom and the dad, I want to say, they
were both arrested after she went missing because they failed
the reporter missing.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Yeah, just like I was just talking about. So she
was missing for like two weeks before the police showed
up at the house and they were like, where's your daughter? Yeah, yeah,
the school I think, so, eleven year old Madelena. She
actually she was last seen getting off her school bus.
This was in Cornelius, North Carolina, as you mentioned, and

(59:10):
that was back on November twenty first, twenty twenty two,
and it was a full three weeks before her disappearance
was reported, so all the way until December fifteenth of
twenty twenty two, and it was actually it was reported
by her mother and stepfather. However, investigators say that the
couple had burned this eleven year old girl, Maddelena's mattress

(59:34):
as well as clothing, and they gave conflicting stories about
her whereabouts, which also brings to mind other.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
So we don't know where she's No.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
She's still missing. Out is continuing to treat it as.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
An it's been three years. I think she would be thirteen. Now, yeah,
you are kidding, what a great tip. We need to
talk about this, and well, let's do that. Fine, let's
do it. Let's do a break down this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
So that is terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
It's a really sad case. I thought they her photos,
but I.

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Have done photos as well. Just what I had kind
of poked around at. It was her mattress, run her clothing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
It's really sad, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
It's so bad though, I immediately assume if it's a
mother involved, that she's experiencing some sort of psychotic break.
And when I hear a dad is involved, I assume
it's something sexual.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Isn't that weird? It's like a terrible generalization. Well, I mean, yeah,
well I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
I don't think it is, you know, And I think
it goes with statistics or people even say, you know,
stereotypes exist for a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
And honestly, if we look.

Speaker 7 (01:00:47):
At the statistics of things with mothers and with fathers,
and I think that it's pretty in mine, Stephanie, it's
it's to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Do this, yeah, like it's my dad's.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
I mean, dads can have psychotic breaks to I mean Chad,
of course, wasn't the dad to Tyly and JJ, but
he was psychotic, right like, he's still the one lunatic, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
He's just a psychotic right like. He wasn't having a break.
He just seemed like a psycho for a really long time.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
I think there may be just psyches with those two, Yes, child, Yeah,
I need to go check on the letters from chad
website again.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Oh yeah, that was so infuriating. Let's we take an
appropriate break from that. But I'm back. I can handle
it now.

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
Yeah, let's get some some new updates on the day
Bell front. I want to know what music he's into
to that same example, this guy's behind bar is still
claiming his innocence.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
The kids were found in your backyard, buried in a shallow.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Grave, while you were off Gallant, while.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You were yeah in Hawaii getting married and getting your
wife was getting her hair blown out, and your kids
were found in a shallow grave. So don't get me started.
But yeah, these talkbacks have got me. They're so great
tonight everybody. But I'm so proud of everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
I know you always say on the topics, you always
bring the cases and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
After the break, we're going to have more of that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
We're also we have gotten a lot of information coming
in and you guys have thoughts upon thoughts about the
perfect neighbor, which was our last true crime and chill.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Talk about get ready to get geared up, and yes exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
And we also will be picking our next true crime
and chill. We've got that and a whole lot more
true crime tonight. We are talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time of Steph here at the courtney.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
And with body Tan Adam or dancing in the house. Listen,
everybody's on their feet at this point. By the way, Courtney.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Armstrong is like doing this new hair thing where she's
letting it go curly a little bit. We tested it
out tonight. I've watched it dry. It looks so good.

Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
Yes, we all we have watched it dry together and
I you know, scrunched it like people do in the
curly hair videos as it dried, and it's it's kind
of remarkable.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
It's I think.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
Like the PLoP method for curly hair gurlies. If you
want to know the PLoP method, where you put it
in the t shirt and you let it dry perfectly
and the curls just kind of flat shirt method.

Speaker 7 (01:03:34):
See, I'm going to have to do it for real,
real next time, because this is pretty like what it
did on the I'm impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yea interesting curly.

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
Do you have naturally curly hair too?

Speaker 10 (01:03:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I have what's called the Irish wave or Irish curls.

Speaker 6 (01:03:48):
Have you heard this.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
It's it's it's like a it's like kind of like
uh not curly underneath and straight on top.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Does that make sense.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
Yeah, So that's the Irish curls.

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
Because that's kind of what I have. That's what I
would say I have too. But I don't know if
my mother had hair exactly like yours. In fact, it
was even the same color, the red curly hair, and
so she always tried to get mine to do it,
because you know, I had red hair when I was
a child, and I got a little bit darker as
I got older.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
In you, and it just never works, never works for me.
It's just it's just gross. So you put on a
little hair like you put your hair in a T shirt.
I get out of the shower and my hair is
already dry, So that is no there's nothing needed, man,
Please cry.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
Like the prettiest And I've looked at her for years
and years and it literally never gets old.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Yes, I'm so biased, That's why I do love you
guys so much.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
So biased.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
But yeah, I had an unfortunate haircut that is just
going to be a lifer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I feel like it's growing, like non existent.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
Growth, like we had to talk about it. Of course,
the way your bangs flow like this if I had hair,
If I were a woman and I had hair, I
think I would do the Banks. So but the story,
there's such a calloween. Next year, I will test out
a wig and try with Banks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yes, I love we can we can be twins. We
can twin with the same wigs when I love it.
How funny is Alicia? She goes from Atlanta Gate keep in.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
I love her, I said, By the way, I sent
Ava the screenshot to post on the Instagram, So I
don't know if he's going to do it right now, Okay,
really giving you the honest truth, pretty man, that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
If they had comments on all those places. But you know,
just know that you have.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
Thin skin, and so I want to if you want
to follow us on Instagram, it's at True Crime tonight's show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, so we'll see, thank you, We'll see well.

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
You know, one of my favorite times in the week
is when we do our True Crime and Chill. So
we're at that time where we've gotten some comments on
our last True Crime and Chill, and I wanted to
cost a couple of talkbacks your Way to kind of
finish that one up, and then I think we need
to figure out what our next one is going to
because there's some good options out there. But I think

(01:06:20):
Adam has some something cued up for us. To listen to.

Speaker 20 (01:06:23):
Michael, Hi, ladies, Sarah from Michigan. I am ten minutes
away from finishing The Perfect Neighbor, and I just had
to say that the detectives in the little detective room
with her when she was refusing to go to the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Jail, they are so patient.

Speaker 20 (01:06:41):
They were so patient, way more patient than I would
have been.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
Yeah, I thought that I was infuriated by that. I mean,
of course, yes, the detectives, Oh my god, they were great,
they really were. But I just wanted them to throw
her down on the ground and like customers natural, you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Know what I mean, them to like punch her in
the throat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
No, I would never condemn, like the punch in the
throat is what It was a new term for me.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
But one of our.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Callers called in and just said, I want to punch
her in the throat. And I have giggled about that
in my head more times than I should confess, like
that is such a funny cartoon visual of her.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
To get tased, you know, I just tasing her? What's
going on?

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
I mean, because the cameras were on them, so they
probably were on their best behavior, which they really were.
They have to be, but that's all I kept thinking
was At the same time, I'm like, if everybody else
that would have snapped her and grabbed her and pulled
her out. And I can't go you.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
Stepped on her for the greater good because I had
the same impulse body, I assure you, and just wanted,
you know, the same rage. But it really is for
the greater good. Now it's not called into question. And
then there was these so they acted so appropriately and
to our talk back person, yes, way.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
More patiently than I could have imagined that, Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
Yeah, because I was like they were just by the way,
That's how I would be. Nope, I'm not going no,
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
I probly would have the same reactions.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
And cross your legs, criss cross apple sauce.

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
You got drag me out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Pants like I need some shoes. Yeah, that's the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Next there is having like my yoga pants and company socks.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
The one other thing. We'll move on past that documentary.
But the other thing that stood out to me was, boy,
she lost a lot of weight when you saw her
come into the trial later on, Like, clearly she was
not happy with the food in prison, so she probably
sent a lot of dishes back like this is not
what I wanted. So she strikes well, and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Now she wants to sue the family of her victim.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Did I hear that right? Or is this like just gossip?

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
I haven't heard that everyone wants to sue them?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Do we know what I have?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
She's completely indignant one of those things. If that's the case,
then that just again shows to a lack of accountability.
And can you imagine how indignant she's you know, she's
had her name ruined or she's going to now sue
the person who's lost their life in their family.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Totally makes sense.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
Unbelievable, all right, Who wants to hear some of the
options that our listeners have thrown out as to what
they think our next true crime and Chill should be.
All right, so Adam is going to play.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
So let's see if we have it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
Okay, let's go with it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
I always agree with body.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Hey, y'all step from Bama. So y'all are talking about
trying to find a documentary her true crime and chill
that wouldn't be so infuriating like the person neighborhood, And
oh boy, was it infuriating and just heartbreaking. Anyways, Paramount
Plus came out with one called Don't Date Brandon, and
oh my gosh, although at times you're gonna go what

(01:10:12):
is wrong with people in this world? How can people
be so delusional? It's a good one. I think y'all
like it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Great. Joyce, I've heard that was a good one too.
I haven't that I'm interested.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Okay, yeah, a little bit about it. It's a parallel
plus docuseries Don't Date Brandon exposes over twenty years of
alleged manipulation, harassment, and violence by Washington native Brandon Johnson,
who faced more than seventeen restraining orders from six women
since nineteen ninety seven Wow his former wives there are

(01:10:46):
two of them that are listed here, and endured years
of threats, stalking, and emotional abuse before securing protective orders
and later launching the twenty twenty podcast ex Wives Undercover
to warn others. So it's just a little taste of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Takes a galley of women, right, Like, isn't that like
the truth?

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Like, I'm so on board. That sounds so great. I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
This was the more light version of that with Cameron
Diaz and Brooklyn Decker and then who's the other actress?

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Saw that on a plane?

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
It was It's like a total plane Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Was she in it too? I feel like, who is
the actress?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Okay, play with me. We're doing quick charades, mental charades.
She's married to Judd Apatah. He's a comedian. She's like
a funny.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Actress from yes exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
So it's her, I think, and Cameron Diaz and Brooklyn
Decker and they all realize that they've been they've been
done dirty by the same man, the other woman.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
The other woman tomatoes and what do they do.

Speaker 6 (01:12:04):
On a plane?

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Then it's a great plane romp of a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Silliness, but the spirit of it is you know, once
the women start realizing, they don't turn on each other. No, no,
they've been together and then they became like lifetime friends.
That's how we should be. Kate Upton is in it. Oh,
Kate was beautiful, sports illustrated.

Speaker 9 (01:12:26):
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I have never seen it like we look like Kate Upton,
Cameron Diaz and who's the let.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
It be so Leslie Man. Yeah, there we go. Fantasy
so fun.

Speaker 6 (01:12:42):
Okay, I might add that to my list. All right, well, body,
I heard you say you have nothing to add to this, but.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I've never seen the movie.

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
No no, I was going to say, I bet you'll
have something to add to this next talk, because this
is the next suggestion of what we should watch. And
you mentioned this case before, and I don't know a
lot about this, so we're going to dig into this one.
Let's go forward.

Speaker 21 (01:13:03):
Hey, ladies, I just started watching Aileen Queen of the
serial Killers. I don't know why, but I'm so much
more afraid of female serial killers. I think because I'm
always trying to you know, I was always taught to
look at females for safety if I ever got into trouble. So, yeah,

(01:13:24):
this is a haunting show. And maybe an idea for
the next true crime and show. Thanks Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
She might be right about that. It's it's been calling
my name.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
Talk to me about this one, because I don't know
enough about it and I'm embarrassed. I told Ava this.
I saw a quick ad for it, and I walked
by and I saw the photo and I saw it
said Alien, and I saw Sigourney Weaver. So like, OK,
so you've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
The movie Monster with Charlie's their own.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Oh, this is all based on that her. We'll fill
everyone else in who might not be aware so they can.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
Aileen Warnos is the queen of the serial killers. That's
the name of the document Alien Worenos serial Killers.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
And she was convict.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
She was a street girl, a sweet you know woman,
and she was picking up john's and killing them when
she claims that it was in self defense, that they
were you know, not paying her or you know, r
ing her, raping her, and she would kill in self defense.

(01:14:25):
And she got caught. She you know, it's a long story,
but she got caught. She was sentenced to death, and
right before she died, she recanted and she said that
she just killed but then she changed. Then she went
back and said no, it wasn't self. She went back
and forth, so it's hard to know what's real and

(01:14:46):
what's not. But there was a lot of things that
happened in her investigation and how you know, she was
handled by the police department and whatnot, and the legal
system too that really kind of put a lot of
doubts on I don't want to say her guilt, because
she was guilty, but why she did it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Well, she felt like she was a bit of a vigilante, right,
like she was in some weird way cleaning up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
The streets for a little bit. Yeah, really treating.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Yeah, it's a really tragic story. She had a really,
really bad life. That doesn't give her an excuse to
just to go out there and kill the girle. Like please,
don't think you know I'm saying that, But she had
a really, really terrible life. And the man, one of
the first men she killed, was convicted of sexual assault
in years prior, but it was never brought up in

(01:15:37):
court or when it was, it was shot down. So
there are things that kind of point in the direction
of that she could have been self defending herself, you know,
and that she killed seven men.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I think it is I always thought.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
She was killing like on behalf of all women who
have been scorned in this world. Maybe you know, you know,
she was sort of the in her you know, her
psychotic mind. I mean, obviously, you're a serial killer, so
you're not emotionally dealing in the same set of cards, right,
But in her twisted head, it was almost on behalf

(01:16:09):
of all women who have been you know, lied to,
a beaten, abused. I'm not going to stand for it.
And I'm surrounded by the worst of the worst of them.
Because she was a sex worker and was being mistreated
so regularly, it does not make her a hero by
any means. And that's I think the interesting piece probably
about this doc.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
Well the interesting for me watching an Indian I watched
it last weekend and we both loved it. You already
watched this. Oh wait wait, okay, so it's like an hour.
It's like a short one again. It's like one of
those shortness okay, and a man, it was just when
it was over, I was like, is that it? Oh no, yeah,
it was really really good.

Speaker 6 (01:16:50):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
But the good thing, the interesting thing about this is
it gets into those things that I was talking about,
like the injustice kind of situation that was happening to
her when her trial was happening. And those are really
interesting pieces. And the whole documentary is archival footage. It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah, it is extremely rare for a woman to be
a serial killer, right, I name on one hand, only
a few of them. There was that other one in
Florida that was like going across country killing. That's a
good one too. We'll talk about that a different day.
But she's an interesting case in general because it does
check on a lot of those boxes of just it's

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so rare for a woman to be accused.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Of this much.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
And I agree with the caller. You know, we look
to women to keep us safe in the world. That's
why the Maxwell think gets me so crazy because again,
young girls looking at another sophisticated woman for safety, and
you know, that's so criminal in my mind. And I
agree that's what makes her particularly haunting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Her story is her whole story is haunting.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
Yeah, that's a really good talk back, And that was
the one I was going to suggest, be this don't
behind speak of too, so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
Good.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
How about we think about it during the break and
when we come back we'll decide and tell the audience
which one they should watch for our Oh, stick around.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
For that, stick around for that answer.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
And we're going to close out with more of your talkbacks,
your best theories, your funniest takes, and final thoughts of
the night.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Hearing your true Crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. Already entering the last segment.
How does this happen? I'm Steph here with Courtney and
Body and the boys, and listen, big moment we're going
to We're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Pick the big true crime and chill.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Next next documentary or yeah, next documentary.

Speaker 11 (01:18:54):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I did not participate in this vote because I think
it's a win win.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
I also watch the Martha Stewart one also when you
have an extra free time, because I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Just I think it will be worth discussing at some point.
I agree, I agree totally to watch it. So who's
gonna announce it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
Taha?

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Why don't you take the honors?

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
What do you want to do?

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
I want you to do it. You do it, I'll
do the ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Okay, we're gonna We're gonna go with the Aleen Warnos documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
It's Alien.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
It's called Alien, Queen of the Serial Killers, and it's
on Netflix. It's about an hour and forty five minutes.
I looked it up because I said it was about
an hour and a half, but I was wrong. It's
an hour and forty five minutes. And it mainly detays.
It's mainly consistent of this archival footage from her arrest
and surveillance and you know, court testimony, news reports and

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things like that. It's very well done. It's very good,
and it's kind of short. It's not gonna take up
your whole week, and we're gonna we're gonna go with
a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Theme with it. So we're to talk about it. But
I still want to watch the Brandon one that don't
date Brandon, So.

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
I'm going to watch that one. And so I've got
a lot of Now my week is filled already with
documentaries to watch. But it's an enjoyable one because these
are all good ones to choose from, for sure. All Right, Well,
I love it. I'm excited about that one, and I too.
I'm excited because I think we have more talk backs
that we can still get to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Oh, let's go, let's go.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:20:26):
Hello everyone, this is Stephanie from Washington State. I just
wanted to comment on the Tri State crematorium story.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
There is an amazing podcast called.

Speaker 22 (01:20:38):
Noble and it is about the entire family and everything
that happened, and it is it is very well done.
I highly recommend Thank You, Love Everything you guys do.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
That's a good one. Another one we should watch and
I'm around that one where that was that Tyler Stone
who came on and talked about his personal experience with what.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
A great suggestion.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Yeah, I mean because I wanted. I talked to Tyler
a little bit after the show up on Instagram. He's
really cool. But it's it's very interesting. And this the
reason I found it so interesting was this, uh what
was it again?

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
That they mercury mercury thank you? I couldn't remember. I
never heard of this before, no idea that this was
an issue.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
But it's a common thing in crematoriums that you know,
this is something that happens. So yeah, I'm definitely down
to watch that because that was a really interesting story
from Tyler.

Speaker 6 (01:21:35):
I found that super fascinating. I liked him a lot
to side note like it was nice.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
I liked him too, Yeah, I liked him too.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
And right, but now when I hear the music, I
dance even harder.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
I'm like, now I relate to right right, right, right right.

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
But he's one of he was great cool. All right, Well,
I think we can do another talk pack if you
feel up to it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Let's do it.

Speaker 17 (01:22:03):
This is Marta from Flinta and thank you so much
for playing my talk vacum made my day. I just
listened to that color that talked about this compression back,
so I remember I have those that you roll and
then you zip, so you wouldn't need that vacuum. Divine love,
love your show.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
And love that you play my talk back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
And Martha by you, you're so cheerful. Yeah, I know
she is. She's always so sweet when she calls.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
She's she's loft us a couple of talkbacks now, and anyway,
thank you Marta. And I didn't know they made the
roll up ones. That's something I'm definitely gonna have to
look at.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Yeah, and then the air just pushes out. That makes
so much sense.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Absolutely just squeeze their out basically right by the roll.
The process of rolling it right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Doing that, it's shocking. I don't know why I don't
do that. I don't either.

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
Yeah, I mean I pack a lot because I do
that little method where you fold everything and roll it
really really tiny. I think there was a flight attendant
that showed you how it do it. So I don't
feel like I need a compression bag. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Maybe unless you do outfits.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
If you do complete outfits, meaning top to bottom, socks,
lufter garments, shirt, everything, head to toe like day one,
and you put that in its own special bag. Again,
speak to the neurotic one in the room. That kind
of can suffice unless you start shaking it up because.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Of the weather and then all your bags are open
and it's a mess. But if you are able to
just like stick to the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Plan, you know, I have, you know, these jeans with
this T shirt whatever the thing is this evening gown?
Dare I say yes, Courtney jump in with that curly
Yeah it is.

Speaker 7 (01:23:48):
It's such a stress saver when you're actually on vay case.
And I will do kind of a dual, a combo
of what you're saying, so Stephanie, I'll lay out the outfit.
So yeah, you know, everything from them underpants to the
card again or whatever, and it's all rolled up and
then boop, the thought is done. So I pick the

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outfits and I also roll them up like you're talking
about taha.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
But I feel like you guys are checkers.

Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
I over the years have evolved to be an unbelievably
lean packer.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
No, I could say that I'm an opposite. Oh, I'm yeah,
like underpacking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I practically will wear the clothes in my back at
this point. Yes, I hate luggage and losing things so desperately,
and I'm such an absent minded person when I travel
that if it's not tied down.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
And by the way, we always have like our vacation, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Going to try out new things. And you know who's
these vacations. Sometimes it's a work trip where we go
to some you know, we end up wearing the exact
same thing that we would wear at home.

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
So if we.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Overthink it, I just packed the same three things that
I love to wear, by four favorite things and try
to keep it's simple. And if I'm out of luck,
I'll find myself a TJ Max.

Speaker 6 (01:25:03):
Yeah, I'm in where people who do that because I
always and at the end of a trip, I'm like,
I didn't even why did I bring these extra things?
I had, all these additional I always assume like something's
going to come up. What if they invite me to
the ball at the last minute, like I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Know, ball shopping, We'll have to go get a talks
that moment, and you know gift shop, which you know
is complicated because like you know, you who wants to
go bathing suit shopping and any day let alone without time,
but you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
But the basics, keep it simple. We all have too
much stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:25:36):
I'mat That'll be my new model. Keep it simple, Keep
it simple, all right? Do we have a simple talk bock?
How about that? Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:25:41):
Yes, hi, ladies, this is Sarah from Michigan. You guys
always have such great experts on doront O Fear and
Joseph Scott Morgan, and I was just thinking that maybe
you could add a law enforcement expert to the rotation
that could come on and answer all of our questions
about their rules and insights into these cases.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
That's a great I love that idea. That's a great one.
Does Stephanie, you always seem to have a rolodex of people.
Does someone come to mind.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
We're trying a little bit with our US Marshall segment, right,
so we are leaning into that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
We just had it sort of. He was so good.
So yes, I love that idea.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
I was so surprised at all the cases, like he
was pivotal in like yeah, the DC Sniper and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
Yeah, yet in high school, people wouldn't know a lot
about that one yet, so they'll learn more because it's
a new one. But but yeah, that the uh, that story,
which our audience will get to hear at a later
date because we're saving that for a special night. He's
fascinating and the things that he did. I'll just give

(01:26:47):
everyone a little hint that he's almost like a real
life twenty one drum Jump Street, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Oh, yeah, that's right, he was undercover in high school.

Speaker 21 (01:26:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:26:58):
So but to that talkbacks point, like to the person
that left to talk back, I already forgot their name.
But I think we should have someone on, like as
a regular. That could be because a lot of times
we do have some like law enforcement type questions and
I'd like to just hear it from their perspective.

Speaker 7 (01:27:13):
So even Jarrett Farantino, who again will be coming on tomorrow,
and Steph, as you said, may may possibly be you know,
more of a regular Wednesday thing. I mean, he has
a great perspective as a prosecutor, and he's talked so
much about his great relationships with defense attorneys. Obviously you
work with police a lot, so yeah, but definitely heard nice.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Yeah, look I'm into it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
Autist. Okay, well we're gonna work then, heard. I think
we might have time for one more before we have
to wrap things up, sadly to maybe cry, but playboard
and more before.

Speaker 24 (01:27:50):
Hey Boddy, it's Alicia from Atlanta again, and I'm sorry
I totally confused you about the compression bag. So you
have them that you can get from Amazon that you
do not need eat a vacuum board. So once you
zip it, it sucks in the clothes as much as possible.
So once I put them in the draws during the cruise,
you just unzip them and they kind of owen up.

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So if you have compartments, you could just take your
stuff out, your socks, underwear, shirts or whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:28:18):
It's just not touching the draw.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Alicia, I can't believe you were gatekeeping. Were you just
a gatekeeper. Listen, but then what do you do when
you have to go home? You have to where's the vacuum?
Do we have to use a vacuum? He said, you don't?

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
You just she said, you don't need the vacuum, so
they must when you zip it, it must like suck the.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
Air out or something automatic.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
I love it. Don't feel ashamed that I don't do
this enough. It's a one way when we go. Yeah,
it's true.

Speaker 6 (01:28:50):
I know if you heard it when she said that
when you're on the cruise and unpacking.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
And I was like, nice.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I have mixed feelings about cruises now and a cruise,
but you guys are ruining it for me with all
of your dark tourism talk. It's making me crazy from
land and now we have to cover the teenager that's
now this we should talk about that tomorrow because.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
And it talks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
She's you know, this is a tragic thing. And again,
good luck at an answers on sovereign waters. We'd love
to talk about sovereign things. I love a cruise, by
the way, and have been on several. I am the
last man standing on a cruise means rest assured there
is no Sunday on the deck that is missed by me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
I have the ice cream platters. I'm going for a seconds.

Speaker 6 (01:29:38):
At the buffet.

Speaker 7 (01:29:39):
I will dance off till the game comes up. Yes,
you right, I'm there with them. I'm doing the area
and we're dictionary.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
What is it when we go under the conga?

Speaker 18 (01:29:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Can't you feel in center at the captain's table? Yeah,
I am, I am. It is fun.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
However, if there is an accident, first of all, COVID
crushed it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Can you imagine being trapped? But moving on? It's like
all of these terrible thoughts that you guys are.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Filling in my head about vacations, and like you can't
really get answers necessarily because of the jurisdiction.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Probably keep promise you go a body, and then I'm
gonna say.

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
I promise if something happens to you on a cruise,
I will be like you with the epscene.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
I'm dog without it with the phone. I'm not gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
You'll miss me. You'll notice if I fall over. If
I fall overboard accidentally, I am klutzy. You'll notice right away,
so they have time to come get me. They don't
just like take off and leave me out there, because
those are the types of things that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
But I'm bump, bump, bump. I hear that music now,
and I'm starting to get excited for the cruise.

Speaker 7 (01:30:47):
I know, I want.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
I'm like, oh, I can hear it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
We're about to leave.

Speaker 19 (01:30:58):
I like it.

Speaker 9 (01:30:58):
I like it.

Speaker 7 (01:30:59):
I will I'm one of the most epic epic cruises.
This was years ago. It was my mom is one
of seven kids, and they were all born within ten years, right,
and so they have a bunch of kids who are
all my cousins.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
I got twelve cousins.

Speaker 7 (01:31:15):
Anyway, there was a gigantic amount of McKenna's is my
we just sounds like a good It was so it
was so wildly fun and actually very quickly. I was
nineteen at the time, and I had gotten locked No,
I didn't get happened to get locked down my room.

(01:31:35):
My mother locked me out of the room I was
sharing Betty. She wanted the room to herself, so I
had knocking nowhere to go.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
I'm nineteen.

Speaker 7 (01:31:44):
I go to sleep in the nineteen year old ware
that I was wearing to the club on the boat,
go to sleep in the public library on the boat,
wake up at five thirty am and walk through breakfast,
at which point I see my grandma and Grandma Lizzie.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
And she says, oh, smart girl, up nice and.

Speaker 7 (01:32:02):
Early more or less, and had that you call it early, Grandma,
we call it the walk of shrite. So I walk
ashamed into my grandma and we sat down, had a
nice cup of tea. But shout out to my cousin James,
who was on that cruise and was a little boy,
I think, having his first taste of alcohol at the time,

(01:32:26):
and he is I believe I have his rank right.
He is a lieutenant colonel in the Marines, and he
is a hero and fabulous. He is also a fireman
and an extraordinary dad and husband anyway, just overall, and
he's a good time in addition to all of his
military accolades and happy Veterans.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
Happy Veterans Day, cousin James, and I want to give
a shout out to my dad, Tommy. He was the
he was in the Air Force. He was in Vietnam
and then his dad, my grandfather, was at Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
He was as well. He survived for Harbor, only later
to die of tuberculosis, which he contracted in the course
of the war in the South Pacific come zone.

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
My grandfather's a World War two vetter and he passed
away as a result of the war, and then my
dad was in Vietnam.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Yeah, I mind, Charles Leidecker.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
May he rest in peace, but he served us well,
as did all of my uncles. I come from a
long line now too. Yeah, so hats off. You know,
we celebrate you today and every day, and if anybody
knows or has suggestions of how we can even better
support our troops, we would love to hear and are
open to all the tips and tricks and listen, there's

(01:33:47):
a lot to cover, so please stick with us.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Tomorrow we will be back.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
We have Jarrett Farantino with us, our prosecutor and legal
extraordinaiy answering any of your talkbacks and questions from the week.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
More on the Melody.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Case as well, so we'll be following that and new
developments for David the pop Star.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Not all bad, this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Is true crime. Tonight, have a wonderful night, stay safe.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.