Inside the Epstein Leak and the Melodee Mystery

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Wednesday, November twelfth, and man, ohman,
do we have a stacked night of headlines? What a
day it has been that the government is officially open
and the Epstein saga is heating up as his estate
releases more emails. And Congresswoman Grihalva has finally finally been

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voted in and she is in fact going to be
the two hundred and eighteenth vote needed to have more
files and transparency when it comes to the Epstein.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Debate, and man, it is a debate today.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
We have so much to unpack with that. Also, veter
in trial attorney Jarrett Farantino, our very favorite prosecutor, joins
us again today and he's going to be breaking down
the latest in the Melody Buzzard case. Obviously, that's the
nine year old who has been missing Mom Ashley in
court today under some very unique circumstances, in very different

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charges than we were expecting, and we'll also get his
thoughts on pop star David why has there not been
an arrest? And in the Epstein case, what universe are
we living in?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
It feels as though the world is upside down, and
if you are feeling that way, please jump in join us,
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I'm Stephanie Leidecker here, of course, with Courtney Armstrong.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Body move in.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
We have Tam Taha, Sam and Adam in the booth
and I'm a little riled up tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
What is going on in the air?

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Something's going on. I feel different. We were talking.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
I feel different. I feel like something that dimensions have shifted.
I don't know, there's something happening, and today solidifies it.
I woke up this morning, first thing on my phone,
alert baby this these emails, and I was like, oh
my god, Stelani, you were the first one I thought of.
And then I went to my text message and guess
what you had already sent it.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
I was like.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I always hesitate to send things to early nobody els
that early morning buzz was. It felt like it was
breaking and it was big. And again, we are not
a political show. Let me just again just restate that
even when we started this show, we were really clear
to say, actually we're the opposite of a political show.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
We are not.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
And then just by you know, bad luck of the draw,
every case that we talk about happens to be political.
We are a justice show and a victim forward show.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
And I guess that's.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Why everybody's all riled up, because I think no matter
where you sit in any of it, we can all
agree raise your hand that pedophilia is bad and those
are involved should see time and be persecuted for it.
And we just need those answers. So, Courtney Armstrong, how
are you feeling?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
You know, I'm okay.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
The universe being off kilter has not yet affected me personally.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
We'll wait and see.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Traveling your direction right now, That's that's what I understand.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
But I did want to say, Stephanie, you know you
said all of these stories are political, and I disagree
they involve politicians and they involve politicians on both sides.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
We are speaking about crimes.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Correct, their names are embroiled in so anyway, that's a
great point. What a great distinction, Courtney Armstrong. Way to
be the voice of reason there. I really appreciate that.
And you are correct. Isn't there also like a solar
flare or something? Bananas happening?

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Listen these auroras?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I mean that.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
So it's it's got to do with like the Earth
is surrounded by like a magnetic shield. And the reason
that people in like Alaska and Norway and Iceland and
northern Michigan and whatnot can see the Aurora borealis normally
is because the solar flares like disrupt that shield, and
that's what you're seeing because it's at the polls. Well,
I don't know what's going on. I'm not a scientist,

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you guys, I don't know. But I watched a lot
of Discovery Channel, but you know, and that's how I
know this. But I guess maybe the solar flares are
really strong right now. Either that or the shield isn't
so great.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
I'm gonna say it's probably the solar flares are a
little bit stronger right now. And maybe that's why it
feels so weird. Yeah, maybe that's it.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
And if there is a scientist amongst us listening at
lease tell us what's doing because everything seems to you.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
But it's true.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
I've seen the best pictures come out from people from
all over, like Colorado specifically.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Like yeah, Denver, they say, or just sort of the
sweet spot for it.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Wow, unbelievably beautiful.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Send us some pictures. We all want to see them.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
I don't have them.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I don't see them.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
If anybody wants to share it, please do Yeah, and
then yeah, these new allegations in the Epstein saga are
pretty staggering, you know, Courtney, you want to give us
the synopsis, absolutely, and it is a lot of information.

Speaker 7 (05:31):
Over twenty thousand pages of documents have come out. This
includes images and emails, and these were released by the
House Oversight Committee today. Of course, all of these relate
to convicted pedophile Jeffrey Ebstein, and these emails detailed communication
between Ebstein, Giele and Maxwell and others, and some of

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them alleged that President Donald Trump spent time with a
victim at Epstein's residence. Initially, the name was redacted to
since come out that it was Virginia Dufray.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Oh it was Oh, yes, I didn't see that update.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
Okay, Yes, it's very important to note that both Donald
Trump and the White House deny categorically any wrongdoing.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
In other news.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
If people are interested in more transparency, Representative Adalita Gravalda
of Arizona has been sworn in, and if everyone sticks
to the votes that they had, she indeed will be
the decisive two hundred and eighteen signature that will move
the petition forward and that would release the investigation files.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
I'm going to stick by why I said, it's not
going to happen. So somebody's going to switch their vote.
And by the way, that's actively happening real time. Phone
calls are being made, you know, within the administration to
have people rescind their vote. So just to kind of
add some context to this, Okay, So here come the emails, right,
So the emails were redacted. And to your point, Virginia Guffrey,

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who we've all talked about, she's the main front woman
who really kind of brought down the House in terms
of this Epstein investigation.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
She's been sort of the big face.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Of the Epstein sex trafficking trial. Especially she lost her
life by suicide in April of twenty nineteen, No, no,
April of this year, rather, so you know, again months ago,
right before all this really heated up, I might add,
under really difficult circumstances. And here we are, she's the

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redacted name. So there's two sides of this one, you know,
Summer saying that as a result, she has publicly said
that she thought Trump was friendly. That's how she referred
to him in her book, her recent memoir post Mortem,
and then other times we heard her co writer do
interviews and said that in her in her experience, what

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she had heard from Virginia while she was still alive,
is that she didn't really have much to say about
Trump specifically and his involvement. So that's one side of it.
And then the other side of it is, wasn't Trump
calling this a hoax? This entire thing was just a
bunch of noise, and that he barely knew her, and
he didn't really know Epstein, and there wasn't really any communication.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
And I think that's where we're.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
All getting a little stuck in, lost in the sauce
on the messaging Nobody is suggesting necessarily or at least
I'm certainly not or not even inferring that our president
of the United States was involved in a sex trafficking ring.
Let's assume that's not the case. Let's pray that's not
the case. Bigger is that he was denying that it

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even existed. And this is pure fact that he knew
that it did. And is that, in and of itself horrifying?
How is it possible that things like this are getting
covered up at the highest level? And Trump himself is
the one who campaigned on the visibility and the transparency
that victims across America were finally going to get the

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final word, and then that got rescinded in such a
big way. And is this why? And to what end?
What else is in there? And I don't know why
we're not getting a full a full look.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
I don't know either. This is true Crimesonight and I
Heeart Radio. If you want to weigh in on this,
give us a call eight to eight thirty one crime
or leave us a talkback on the iHeart Radio app. Stephanie,
I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate just for yes, please do,
please do I've only seen a couple of the emails.
I had such a busy day and one of them said,
you know, Trump spent time with Blank. All right, Now,

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that doesn't mean they spent time doing something terrible. What
if they were just in the same room.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Correct, right? And Blank is Virginia Goufrey.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Right, So it doesn't say like he did anything nefarious, right,
he just says it just says he spent time hours okay, yeah,
hours with so and so with Virginia. But again, that
doesn't mean they even spoke, right, or does it.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think it's insinuating that there was time spent and
therefore he obviously knew who she was. Okay, other than
just the very dismissive thing. Remember she used to work
at mar A Lago. She was working at the spa
at mar A Lago when she was sixteen years old.
Her father was a grounds keeper of some sword had
a job at mari A Lago and then allegedly, allegedly,

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allegedly Epstein basically plucked her from there and you know,
coerced her to become his messeuse and then brought her
to the island. And we know the story from there
add all sex TRACKI picking shenanigans. Yes, So to your point,
they could have been you know, just you know, staring
at each other. You know, they could have been playing chatters.

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You know, who knows. It's not even the point. The
real point is that there was a knowingness, that there
was real knowledge that this operation was happening. And how
is a young woman, a victim of any kind, man
or female of any age, supposed to get help when
at the highest level it's being coordinated against you. And

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I just am heartbroken, honestly to find out that the
assertion that there was no knowledge of any of this,
that in and of itself feels to be untrue at
this point. You know, remember the birthday book and there
was that picture with you know, like you know, Trump
had actually had this right and he said it was
manufactured and it was faked. I was pretty hopeful that

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that was the case. How does that track? And if
you didn't really know her and you weren't at all
involved with Epstein whatsoever, it seems as though there's a
timeline to suggest that you were. And I guess that's
the biggest pummer of all of it, because if anybody
is committing crimes against women or minors of any kind,

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male or female throughout the world.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
They should be doing time.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
And why would our top dog, our president, prevent that
from happening. Why are there not being people prosecuted? Why
are people not being prosecuted?

Speaker 7 (12:15):
Well, what the White House has said is actually very
similar to what you actually said, body, which is their
response is that those emails they present a fake narrative
and they acknowledge that indeed it was Virginia Gouffrey who
was the victim and called back to what you said, Stephanie, Well,
Virginia Guffray has previously denied any involvement. So what he

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is saying is it substantiates that he that's the difference.
I'm getting it substantiates, Well, she was the one and
we happened to be in each other's presence for X
amount of time, and she already said nothing happened, and
that's it. Meanwhile, in these emails, three particular were highlighted
across the news today and they do mention President Trump

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and describe him as quote the dog that hasn't barked.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
What's suck mm hmmm, the dog that hasn't barked.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Does that mean the person that hasn't spoken, I wonder
what that means.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I mean, that's if somebody didn't really like the poe
that's sticking in line and following the roles and not
speaking out.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
That's the issue.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
If nobody is speaking out and there's some sort of
cover up, it continues. And that's just the name of
the game with all kinds of abuse.

Speaker 8 (13:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
If if anybody in the sun of my voice has
heard anything or has been subjected to abuse in any
kind of a way, it's sh don't tell anybody. Here's
a little money to make that go away. Hush everybody.
Don't tell your mom, don't tell your brother, don't tell
your teacher, don't tell anybody. If that's happening at the
highest level, which it clearly is, it's a bummer because

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it just would imply, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, that President Trump
did in fact know that this operation was perhaps happening.
You know, they even refer to him today during a
press and saying, yeah, this guy was a real creep.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
He was a pedophile.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
This is a sex trafficker, He is a convicted sex trafficker.
Then why is Gelaine Maxwell playing with puppies and getting
access to a computer after hours, and receiving concierge like
service at her facility where she's considered a guest.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Why.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
I mean, that's the overlording question of what's behind it all?
And you know, I think we keep circling around again,
and it seems like there are just many and multiple
people who are embroiled in this who have no interest
in this information coming out that they were attached in
any capacity to what was going on with Epstein, whether
he was handling their money, whether he was dining out

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on his island, whether.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
They were receiving elicit or not massages.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I just want to know what information is Gelaine Maxwell
the co conspirator of Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
What has she agreed to not say?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
What is she to get to is getting her this
type of service?

Speaker 9 (15:03):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Who is the person that signed the document that allowed
her to be transferred as a sex offender to a
low security facility, not a prison, not a jail of facility.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Well, she's a guest. Remember, she's a guest at this facility.
While when we come back, we're going to have veteran
trial attorney Jarrett Farentino. He's going to join us and
break down some of the latest in the Melody Buzzard
case and in the David investigation.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Keep right here, True Pritime.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
my favorite true crime mates, Courtney Armstrong, body move in.
Of course, we have Taha, Sam and Adam in the
control room keeping us in line because listen, we have
the big dog here, the prosecutor himself, Jarrett Farantino is here,

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our favorite trial attorney. First of all, Jared, welcome to
the best day ever. We're so happy that you're here.
We've had questions stacking up legal fancy scary ones that
you know, we get calls and listeners and we're like, oh,
we got to write that.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Down for Jareded. We got to write that down for Jareded.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
So we think Wednesdays are going to, you know, casually
be your day.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
So if anybody has legal questions that will.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Apply to our true crime show, not necessarily personal ones,
we have.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
The guy for you.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
And we played this talk back yesterday, so we want
to kind of follow through with that today.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Go ahead, Tah, let's hear it.

Speaker 10 (16:45):
Hello Michelle with one elf here, And I am really
concerned about the Buzzard case and I want to know
why how does the judge compelled mom to produce no
like mean that locate doesn't have to be more time.
I'm just it's very infuriating and worriesome.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
So why why has that happened yet?

Speaker 9 (17:08):
And thoughts?

Speaker 11 (17:09):
Think you love your show?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Oh, we love you too, Yeah, buddie, Do you want
to give us a little background just in case someone's
not familiar with this incredibly horrifying case.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
So, Melody Buzzard is a nine year old little girl
from the Santa Barbara area of California, and she went
she's gone missing, and she's gone missing under kind of
strange circumstances. Mom drove from the Santa Barbara area. They
rented a car and drove through Nevada, Utah and ended
up in Nebraska and then made basically a U turn

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and came back. And when she came back, Melody Buzzard
was not with mom, and the school reported her missing,
and mom has not been cooperating with authorities. A gentleman,
an old acquaintance of hers, who's a paralegal, went over
to her house on November six where she held him
captive with like a box cutter, and she was arrested.

(18:06):
She went to court today. I have an update on
that if you guys want me to go through that.
She had court today. She entered a not guilty plea
to the felony charge of false imprisonment. And again this
allegation is they're saying that officials are saying that it's
separate from, you know, the vanishing of her daughter. Ashley

(18:27):
Buzzard appeared in court alongside her public defender and was
released today from the Santa Barbie County Jail, despite prosecutors
arguing against her release. And this is according to the
District Attorney's spokesperson, Amber Frost. As a condition of her release,
she has to wear a GPS monitor. She is due
back in court. She scheduled on a November nineteenth and

(18:49):
twentieth for a preliminary hearing. Prosecutors are alleging that Buzzard
unlawfully confined Tyler Brewer, this paralegal that I mentioned, inside
her home on November sixth, and according to the criminal complaint,
said that she the criminal compoint noted that the nature
of the incident suggested planning, sophistication, or professionalism. So this

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is a really complicated, entangled case now right, And the
talk back is Michelle with one L. She wanted to
know from us and we didn't have this answer, Jarrett,
can the judge why hasn't the judge compelled her to
tell authorities where her daughter is? And we didn't know
the legal answer to that.

Speaker 11 (19:31):
Well, first of all, it's a pleasure to be with
you on this Wednesday evening, and Jarrett likewise, So Michelle
with one L asked a great question, can mom be
compelled to provide the location of her a child? And
the reality is no, you have a constitutional right to

(19:53):
silence that Trump's everything. Now there's a consequence to that.
Though that doesn't mean she can't be charged with failing
to protect her child. She can't be charged with obstruction.
The fact that she didn't report even the discovery of
Melody missing was she didn't report this, so like that's
another problem. So I'm looking at three violations. The most

(20:17):
egregious act in all of this so far is that
the judge.

Speaker 9 (20:20):
Let her out.

Speaker 11 (20:21):
I cannot believe He said that wearing a wig and
changing license plates didn't have anything to do with this
case the awesome prison in charge. First of all, the
fact that it doesn't have anything to do with the
charge has nothing to do whether or not it should
be considered for bail. What should be considered for bail
is will to defend it, flee or not. This is

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someone who's employed wigs, whose child is missing, who has
all the reason in the world to flee, who changes
license plates to avoid apprehension from license plate readers. She
should have never been let out.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Why else will she give up the goods?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
If she's allowed to just go home home and walk free,
what's going to make her share more information about where
her beautiful nine year old daughter is. It is shocking
to me. They had her in custody and now she
is not. I have to like walk around the room
and pace.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Basically, the judge is saying that the charge of false
imprisonment has nothing to do with Melody being missing, and
Melody being missing happened in the course of the license
plates being changed and her switching legs and whatnot. So
could there are two totally separate cases and the judge
can't base this ruling based on her child be missing.

Speaker 9 (21:39):
Is that the interesting my body.

Speaker 11 (21:40):
That's that's incorrect. The judge's position on that is incorrect
because when you're looking at bail, you're looking at the
individual in addition to the charge. So you can consider
gotcha thing. If she was gotcha gaddic, that could be considered.
So okay, whether or not she's a flight risk is
absolutely paramount to being considered on a bail argument.

Speaker 9 (22:03):
It makes sense to me.

Speaker 11 (22:03):
The other thing, a felonie is a gift from God
in a case like this, You put her in the jail,
you get her talking on the phone, you get her
talking to her cellmates. That's what you want. I don't
know what the heck happened here?

Speaker 3 (22:17):
What the heck happened here? Jared? This is why we
all need you as our prosecutor.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
He's the guy, because you want somebody like Jarrett fighting
in your pa.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Well, the Santa Barbara County District Attorney is very upset,
like he's very upset.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
And by the way, we still don't know where Melody is.
Where is baby Melody. She's not a baby.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
She's nine years old. She's someplace. God willing safe and sounds.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
But if mom has any idea where she is, how
is it possible that a mother can return from a
road trip without her nine year old daughter who was
in her care homeschooled, I might add, And she doesn't
have to answer for where she's at, and that's okay.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
She can just want under and be free. How does
that make sense?

Speaker 11 (23:03):
I think issue with the fact that this is totally
unrelated too.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Right, it's right. Well, that's that's a good question. Does
this false imprisonment charge Jared tell us anything about Ashley
Buzzard's credibility if Melody's case becomes criminal, Like, does will
that factor in?

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (23:23):
So, first of all, she got triggered by the fact
that this guy, Tyler Brewer said to her he brought
up a location and she went bananas, like, how do
you know that's where I left her? So, yes, the
fact about Melody missing and a certain location triggers her
to lock the door, and it references there was a

(23:44):
box cutter in the room. I don't know what was
going on here, but those factors, the door being locked
and a weapon in the room are the aggravators that
graduated to a felony. Good prosecution there getting teeth to
the charge and it's related the fact that Melody was
missing and he poked her and triggered her talking about
a particular location. I would backdoor that into the prosecution, right, yeah,

(24:10):
I would too.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, I'm not a lawyer, but yeah, if only you
were in charge, because what you're saying, if you were
a judge, it feels like such common sense.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
Also common sense is listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
I'm Courtney.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
I'm here as always with Stephanie and Body and we
are thrilled to be joined by former prosecutor Jarrett Farantino.
We've been talking about the missing nine year old Melody Buzzard.
If you want away and give us a call eight
at eight to three to one Crime and now we
wanted to ask you a couple of questions about the
David case with the death of fourteen year old Celeste Revas.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
All right, so yeah, go ahead, buddy.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
No, So, authorities are continuing to be continuing to investigate
the death of fourteen year old Celestreevas.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Again.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
She was found in the tesla registered to musician David. Now,
the LAPD has said that you know, right now, the
biggest charge they can levy is concealment of a body,
and when asked, they were asked last week for an
update and their response was refer to our previous update,

(25:20):
which basically means they haven't they're not releasing anything else.
And still the only charge that they're even considering levying
is concealment of a body. And number one, we don't
know who that would be against. We don't know if
it's David or one of his people, or a neighbor
or a passerby, or totally somebody completely in a different circle.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
We have no idea.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
But the fact that there's been no update on if
this is a criminal investigation, is this a murder investigation,
We don't know anything. Are they looking at the family
because there's evidence that the family of Celestiva Hernandez again,
she's fourteen years old, new and we're kind of okay

(26:02):
with her being with David, who is I think twenty
nineteen or twenty years old. So we just don't know.
And so that's where the case is right now. There's
big question marks in the air and nothing is happening.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
There's been no movement. Jared, why do you think no
charges have yet been filed.

Speaker 11 (26:22):
Well, I think this case, which I've been following, is
greatly complicated by the badly decomposed body celestic. So when
you have so, it's almost like a no body homicide situation. Again,
assuming she was killed or murdered, we don't even know that.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
I don't even know, right.

Speaker 11 (26:42):
All we know was that that body was in a
state of severe decomposition. So it tells us a couple
of things. They have not been able to glean a
cause and manner of death from just the examination of
the body. Does that mean they'll be able to get
something from tox collogy? That takes time. I don't know.

(27:02):
But when that happens, you have to put your case
together with other circumstances cell phone records, surveillance cameras, black
boxes from Tesla's, things of that nature. They take time.
We're talking September eighth to November twelfth. Well, how many
days is that?

Speaker 8 (27:22):
At?

Speaker 11 (27:22):
Sixty days? Sixty days?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Two months? He seems like forever though. I feel like
we've been talking about this for months and months and months.
Where's the talk support?

Speaker 9 (27:32):
And Well I think that oh go ahead, sorry, no,
please please?

Speaker 11 (27:37):
I just think I think the investigators are holding things
close to the vest because although it appears they're focusing
on David, if you look at Caleb and Josh Caleb
David's brother, and Josh Marshall, his manager, they've also been
named as people around this president, right right, I mean,
so there are people who who have to be some

(28:00):
One is going to talk here, Okay. I mean I've
broken some pretty tough people over the course of my career,
and I couldn't believe that everybody in David's inner circle
is not unbreakable. Someone's going to talk. Someone knows something
and she was missing for so long. He's the person responsible,
has committed to a story and changed that story, and

(28:22):
it's going to be the way this starts to fall out.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I want to know how you break them too? You
go right now? Do you give them the death stare?

Speaker 5 (28:29):
How do you?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
How do you how do you make people crack under
pressure of want.

Speaker 9 (28:33):
To love this?

Speaker 11 (28:35):
Kill them with kindness? Right?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Coming? All nice?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yes, you want some coffee? You offer the back. Yeah,
I know how this goes down. I've watched my Law
and Order Me too, me too, Jared?

Speaker 7 (28:48):
Question legally, what would need to happen before investigators can
move from suspicious death to actually calling it a homicide.

Speaker 11 (28:59):
They have to either scienceifically conclude she was poisoned, shot whatever.
So if they, if they, that's number one. Number two,
if you look at the circumstance, if there's statements about
her death that aren't disproven by the body, and it's
a circumstantial thing. I've seen forensic conclusions that are called

(29:19):
like homicide by history, okay, which sounds strange, but it's
by the testimony of people that were there. A little
harder to prove, but in this particular situation, that may
be where you end up. So there's two ways to
do it, through science or circumstantial and testament testamentary evidence.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Well, I did some research and I compared like how
long toxology reports come back and at the LA Medical
Examiner's office, and I do bel believe at this point
they should have gotten them back. Here's what I think.
This is just a theory, Okay, I think that they
weren't enough. I think that they need to test for

(30:04):
more things. You know, we learn this from Joseph Scott Morgan.
They only do certain they only test for certain things, right.
I think that it came back possibly negative, and they
have to go send it back for more And that's
what we're waiting on right now. That's what I believe, Listen.
I could be wrong, but that's what I think. I
think they're waiting for this more in depth talks results.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, and also the possibility that maybe because of the
state of decomposition, that perhaps it is taking longer to
get that shar psychology back based on the state of
the corpse.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah. Ah, So lest our hearts go out to anybody
who loves her and knew her. It's such a bummer story. Yeah, yeah,
it really is.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
And we of course will keep you updated as more
information unfolds. And Jared, we want to thank you as
always for being here and break out, come on, come on,
where you got to be, where you got to.

Speaker 11 (31:00):
Go, get filled for the whole hour.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Though Yeah, okay, the lawyer lawyers tail it to the judge.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Well listen.

Speaker 7 (31:09):
You can find more of jareded on Instagram at Jarrett
Farentino and also everybody pre order his upcoming book on Amazon.
It is called Mother's Murders and Motivation. I'm so excited
to read it and listen. Thank you, Jarrett Farantino.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
For coming in and breaking down some legal stuff in
such a great, simple, digestible way. Only he can do
it that way, So thanks again for coming. We were
just talking during the break before he had to to go.
How does it possibly make sense if I'm a mother,
I have a nine year old, she's in my care,

(31:46):
I am the legal custodial parent, and I go on
a trip and don't come back. I don't have to
report her missing if she in fact is how is
she missing a crime?

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Well, let's let me play Devil's advocate. Your melody, right,
your melody, you're the I'm sorry Ashley. Okay, you're Ashley,
and you dropped her off somewhere, right. You know where
she's at, right, So why would you report her missing?
She's not missing. You know exactly where she's at.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
And what do we know?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
She's attending school and doing her schoolwork. No, but she's
saying three meals a day and basic training. If police
or authorities come to the house and are like, hey,
you know there's been some reports, you know, CPS comes
by and they're like, there have been some reports that
your child has been missing, You're like, no, no, no,
she's not missing.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
She's just there.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know, at least even Laurie Valo, Crazy Laurie Valo
and Chad dayvil lri Valo was always giving an excuse,
Oh she's yonder, those kids are somewhere. In the early days,
she was like, oh, they're visiting such and such. You know,
Ashley's not even giving any kind of a narrative at
this point.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Is that accurate? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, that's accurate. But again, to in Ashley's eyes,
my daughter's not missing. Why would I why would I
call it.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
In because the whole country is looking for her? Now,
whoe news. Why are you taking down missing signs? Why
not just come out and say, hey, guys, she's not missing.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Well, then maybe just say to everybody, hey, I really
appreciate everybody's thoughtful concern about my beautiful nine year old daughter,
whose photo is so gorgeous that we're all missing seeing
her face. I get it, and I'm so grateful. But
there's no need to worry because she's here, because she's
visiting so and so, or she's out with such and such.

(33:36):
Why are you peeling these like missing posters down in
your front lawn while the whole country is looking for
your beautiful.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Daughter, right, and again, don't come for me. I'm just like,
you know, it's not you.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
I meant like you know, people listening, I don't actually,
you know, but I really do think mom is kind
of snapped a little bit and really believe she's protecting
her daughter from something.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
What that is, I you know, I can't.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
I don't know because I'm not crazy yet, but you know,
like I'm on my way there, you know. But again,
she she's protecting Melody from, you know, whether it's CPS
or you know, d CSF was, whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
And then you know she doesn't want.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
To tell the police or the FBI because they're in
on it too, because when you get these paranoid and
crazy states, you know, you're not going to trust the
authority because there's the one.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
They're the ones that have to get you. And of
course this is all in your estimation. Yeah, it's expected
her to be sobbing in court today. She looked pretty
you know, she didn't know. Her demeanor was strange. Honest,
she said a few words. Yeah, she only said good
morning or or something. Her lawyer entered the plea for
her and said not guilty, and she didn't really speak.

(34:47):
I'm really surprised with her.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Really, it's it's very strange.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
It's infuriating, and I mean a crime has been commissioned,
even if it sure, because even with this schooling, it
is illegal to not have your child in school. And
I'm only I'm harping on this like the irs on
capone to get them on bigger and something bigger. Right,
But even the paperwork, if I you know what I read,
I understood correctly, the correct paperwork was not filed in

(35:12):
order to have melody, Like if they pulled around school,
that's right. If you homeschool, you need to show sure
of actually learning.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Anyway, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Making nanas and again CPS, which is child protective Services
at the bare minimum, if there have been some even
just rumblings that a nine year old could be in trouble,
I think it seems appropriate that you would just have
to say the exact address where my child is and yeah,
she's going to school, and we're all good in the hood,
no worries, and that would be completely appropriate. We'd all

(35:46):
be celebrating.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
But she's not.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
And instead she's like appearing in core quiet and her
demeanor was so strange, like why is she not either,
sobbing begging for you know, everybody to you know.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
To lay off even or to help find her daughter,
Like it seems like there's a nothingness.

Speaker 7 (36:05):
I'm with body, I think that there's been some sort
of mental break, and you know, we'll get more information
as it comes.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
I think any speculation is and maybe.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
It's just Pollyanna like I'm being hopeful. I'm being too
hopeful that she's just you know, But at the same time,
if that were true, you would think that the person
asks her is like, wait a minute, she's missing. I
thought I was just babysitting for a couple of weeks
exactly what a good So that concerns me, you know, obviously,

(36:35):
And you know, I know that they're focusing on that
area in Utah, just north of Zion National Park by
the way. It's gorgeous there and I think it's Junction
Utah's where they're focusing right now.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
So if you're in that.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Area, please do a little Google search for Melody Buzzard
and look at her sweet beautiful face. She's a couple
of years older than that picture, but Lisha'll get an
idea of what she looks like.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Maybe you'll see her around town.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I think about her all the time.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
By the way, you're making such a great point that
I don't want to get lost.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Okay, Okay, so let's just go there for a second.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Theorizing that melody Mom is basically saying, like, look, the
reason why I'm not saying where my daughter is is
because I don't trust any of you clowns.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
She's safe and sound and not missing, right.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Okay, But then, yeah, at some point said missing person
who has her? Whoever is taking care of sweet nine
year old Ashley, unless you're living under a rock. You're
seeing her picture everywhere, wouldn't you get alarmed and think, oh,
my goodness, I gotta what's going on here? Maybe Mom
has it wrong. The whole country in the world is
looking for the girl I'm caring for right now, I

(37:39):
would be terrified if I was that person. Of course,
the FBI immediately me.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
But if I'm also a little bit loony, and I've
been communicating with Ashley, we're both a little bit looney.
I'm protecting her. They're not going to find her. I'm
protecting her. I don't know, And again, this is just
my theory. I don't I'm not putting this on anybody else.
This is me only, you know. I'm just I'm trying
to be hopeful as possible.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
No, it's a really interesting point. It is a really
interesting point. I hadn't thought of it. By the way,
if you're just joining us, we are getting all riled
up all things with Epstein. We want to find Sweet Melody,
the David the pop star. There have been no new
developments and either there will be or maybe pop star

(38:24):
David got a really bad rap.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
And his whole world tour was canceled. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Maybe President Trump is getting a really bad rap and
it's just death by association, much ado about nothing, or
you know, this sex trafficking ring under the great Epstein Watch,
maybe that's.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Still continuing, which makes me so scared and mad. In fact,
let's go to a talk back right now.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Oh my gosh, hi, I sent it from Canada calling.

Speaker 12 (38:47):
I'm just wondering where the big bed IRS is in
all of this with Epstein and Justlyn Maxwell. Keep hearing
how about how much the IRS goes after people, but
yet there's nothing been said from this or happening from
them in regards to this and the money laundering thoughts comments, Thanks,
have a good night.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Can I snarky? Snarky? Great question, you know, such a
good question.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
And you know in the States, the IRS only goes
after regular people. They don't go after the rich people.
I'm sorry, it's true they get tax breaks. They don't
get you know, hounded like we do the regular folks.
But I'm being snarky. That's not the real answer.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
I'm just speaking like.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
It is such a good point.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Though, why are they not getting flagged? No, it's a
great paying forty cents on the dollar.

Speaker 7 (39:34):
I mean, there's no public investigation because Jeffrey Ebstein himself
is deceased, so it was done. But yeah, the Senate
Finance Committee is actively investigating whether the IRS failed to
audit these suspicious large transactions between Ebstein, So all of
this would be included in the quote Epstein files, of

(39:55):
which we speak of so often. So the answer is
it's written down on pieces of paper we don't yet
have access to.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Right. I work at a casino and you guys know
this and my my day job, and you know there's things,
there's these things called like the MTLs, and this is
like a standard IRS thing, and it's multiple transaction logs
or the CTRS, the cash transaction records, and anything over
three thousand dollars is flagged.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
You have to record him on.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
A paper, and you know what, the IRS has to
look at it, you know. And it's just these are
like three thousand dollar transactions, you guys, nothing like the
billions of dollars that are running through the courts or
the banks. And we were talking last night and you
were breaking it down so well, Courtney, and I just
kept thinking about that, like, you know, the people at

(40:46):
the cage have to do these three thousand dollar transactions,
but they don't even care about these billion dollars.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Like what's going on?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
It is so true and it's such a good points.
And again follow this cash right, who's right in all
these big chats? And like why are all of these
transactions not being made public record? I think that's the
smoking gun. We can talk about emails all day all night.
That's not here nor there. When you really want to
find where the truth is, it's the bottom line dollar

(41:13):
and all.

Speaker 10 (41:14):
The money right.

Speaker 7 (41:15):
Well, Senator Wiland, he has been out of Oregon, has
been conducting for years of follow the Follow the Money
investigation into Ebstein, and it has highlighted some of which
we did cover the other night. Billions of dollars in
suspicious transactions as well as significant h tax planning performed

(41:36):
by Ebstein. And let us keep in mind he is
not a licensed accountant or tax attorney, so let's just
know that, and he's been doing this, and yeah, the
committee staff did find that there were these questionable things,
and there was for example, it was a billionaire Leon Black,

(41:57):
and there was a payment from him to Ebstein for
purported tax services. But that payment helped this billionaire Black
avoid over a billion dollars in gift and estate taxes,
and that was never audited by the irs, apparently.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
What I mean, But I'm I'm three days late. I'm
getting audited for fifteen years, you know what I mean, like.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Never, And they're like, oh, yeah, there's the receipt from
Friendly's ice Cream back in eighty five. You know, literally
you don't have the cash receipt. Like it's just such
a bummer. It just stinks like being like on the
other side of the you know, regular folk thing. It
just seems so unfair. It's fair beyond measure, and you
want the most unfair cherry on top of this. I

(42:40):
wish it was a friendly Sunday. By the way, I
really did love friendly Jim.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Dandy, good lord.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
Okay, but here's the here's the garbage cherry on top
of this Sunday. So Ebstein's estate itself received Brace Yourselves
one hundred and twelve one hundred and twelve million dollars
in a tax orfund from the IRS. And that was
in early twenty twenty five this year. And that was

(43:07):
primarily due to assets being overvalued after his death and
before they were sold for less. So his estate received
over one hundred million dollars as a refund.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
As a refund for all that sex trafficking. Just like, well,
I mean that dropped the mic there top the mic.
It's yeah, it's not.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
Only not only are or is he getting away with
all this money laundering or we know whatever is going
on with this money, but he's also sex trafficking kids.
I mean, you know, and where is the money coming from?
And that's the key, right the key to all this
is where that money is coming from?

Speaker 9 (43:47):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
And you know, I'm at the point right now where
it's like it's compromise, it's it's it's he's working for
a foreign country or something.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
At this point, I don't know. I think he's a
devil spy or something.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
You know, is it possible that he's just you know,
playing all sides, honey potting, all of them has, you know,
all the big names under his watch, and no one's
going to be able to tell me otherwise at this point,
speaking of we have Hayley Robson tomorrow with us. She
is an Epstein survivor who's going to bring us all

(44:18):
kinds of clarity and we are so grateful to have her.
She has been fighting the fight and keeping her word
out there on behalf of her own experience and the many,
many survivors of Epstein. And look, you know, the timing
is everything, you know, when we come back, I know
we're on borrow time before the break, but I would

(44:39):
like to talk through sort of the mechanics of maybe
what happens from here now that we know, you know,
we have the two hundred and eighteenth air quotes signature
needed to compel the House Committee to you know, get
those files released in full transparency. Doesn't appear that that
will be happening until what the first week in December,

(45:00):
and there are some reasons for that.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
It's a couple of weeks. Why so, But couldn't they
just do it right now?

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Well, they got they gotta go through this period, which
we're going to talk about coming up in the next segment.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Well, I gets procedure. I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
And then at a holiday and.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Just saying the other day, they're gonna they're gonna find
some loophole. They're going to find something to prevent this
from happening.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yes, here we go.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
It's buckle up, because I gotta tell you. Even last
night after the show, I was like, all right, you
gotta cool it. Let's put a pin in all the
Epstein talk, you know. I I gotta simmer myself down.
I went to sleep being like, enough, I'm going to
put you on.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
A five day hiatus. You're not allowed to say the
word Epstein out loud.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
And then I woke up to like, yeah, come on,
do you know what this actually broke after we were
on air, I'm seeing this on Politico. So Speaker Mike
Johnson said that he plans to hold a House vote
next week on the measure that will mandate the full
disclosure of the Justice Department files relating to Jeffrey Epstein,

(46:01):
and this timeline has moved up and they were like discharge.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
All the files are gone. It's not surprise, So I
mean that is there was a fire.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Oh well, that's very promising, though not to rain on
that parade. That is promising. That's also surprising. I'm glad
to hear that.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Great.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Well, then that's just next week. That will be before
the Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe there is some swiftness to be
had injustice. And you know, listen, Frankly, you know, President Trump,
none of what we're seeing in the emails is all
that bad. It's just showing that there was a knowingness.
Who is bad in there?

Speaker 6 (46:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
What is above that? Listen, you gotta stick with us.
This is true Crime tonight. We're talking true crime all
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(47:01):
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Speaker 3 (47:43):
Sound off? Tell us everything.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
So maybe you have a theory on something that we
haven't considered. Let us exactly a great exactly exactly.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
So.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, there's been also a couple of other bizarre stories
in the news that are we just don't want to
you know, miss or you know, not get of their
proper say too.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
So body, where should we begin?

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Yeah, So this is like a really really sad and
bizarre case. This is like an emergent. This is the
emerging case of twenty four year old Erica Batter. Her
death has triggered both a criminal investigation and a major
animal rescue operation in Rhode Island. Erica's remains were discovered
in a wooded area in Pawtucket, but investigators say her

(48:25):
body has been moved, which is terrifying, right, and this
raised immediate red flags. The discovery has quickly pointed detectives
towards a home on Central Street in Central Falls, a
place where Erica had reportedly been spending time in the
week's leading up to her death. Six people connected to

(48:46):
that address have now been charged, but not with homicide,
but was failing to report a death. One of them,
Brittany Turpining, faces an additional charge of domestic felony assault,
but the story does not and there When authority researched
the home, they found something pretty shocking and horror horrifyingly sad.

(49:07):
Dozens of neglected animals living in filthy conditions. The Rhode
Island SBCA removed around forty five cats, several pregnant females,
and four dogs. Officers have described the home as overwhelmed
with animal waste, lacking food, water, and basic care. The
smell of ammonia was so strong that investigators had to

(49:30):
wear protective masks just to safely move through the rooms.
The rescue was so larged it doubled the shelter's capacity overnight.
I mean imagine being these workers at this stage. Investigators
haven't released Erica's cause or manner of death, and it's
still unclear what role, if any, the people that you
know have been affiliated with this played in her death

(49:54):
beyond failing to report it. But the connection or the
combination of Erica's death, the movement unformbody, and the discovery
of this extreme animal neglect has turned this into a
multi layered investigation involving both law enforcement and animal welfare officials.
As this case unfolds, like a lot of big questions
remain right who moved Erica's body, what exactly has been

(50:15):
happening inside that house? And will additional charges follow other
than related to the treatment of the animals? Obviously we
know that's going to happen, right, but what other charges
are going to be on board for the people that
are connected with this home.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
It's more curious, do we know body if that thirty
four year old Brittany Herpening, the one with the domestic
assault charge, do we know if that charge is against
the actual victim, Erica Batter.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Or just that she is facing this charge in some capacity.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
She's facing that charge in some capacity, I'm not sure.
I would imagine it's not related to Erica, but I
could be completely hurt, right, Yeah, this is an ongoing investigation.
It's happening in real time, so as details come out, well, well,
of course be following this one up. I have a
special interest in this one, obviously because of the animals.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
But yes, of course it's like hits us all right,
that's awful.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
And you know, I would like to know what made
law enforcement think her body had been moved. I mean,
that's that kind of stuff is interesting to me, you know,
like the forensics of it all, you know, like what
indication Because I'm really interested. One of the things about
true crime that I'm always fascinated by is like the
science behind people get caught doing bad things. I just

(51:36):
I love that stuff. So I'll definitely be following up
on this one.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Yeah, And it sounds like several of the victim's friends
had called Central Falls police back in April and they
wanted a wellness check because they feared she was being mistreated.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Oh really yeah, I missed that really, so they well,
maybe it is related then maybe this charge of this Brittany,
maybe it is related to Erica.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
But who would move the body? Again? I don't mean
you imagine the panic of moving a dead.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Way, it cannot so heavy, so scary. So I mean,
we're already off the off the rails. If you're talking
murder and there's a dead person, and then the next
layer of like, oh here, now we're going to move
the body or I'm going to move the body. That's
where you Oh my goodness. I can't even imagine. How

(52:33):
does anybody get away with that? How?

Speaker 3 (52:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
I don't know. I wonder if it's something like not innocent,
because there's no innocence in this. But I wonder if
it's something like she died in the home due to
natural causes, maybe because of the conditions of the house,
and the girl moved her out, because yeah, something like that.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
But I don't know. We're gonna find out.

Speaker 11 (52:54):
But yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:54):
Several friends and some who've asked to remain anonymous out
of fear for their safety, did call least multiple times.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Did they go allegedly.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
A lot of saying they kept saying they looked into it,
this person said, but nothing was done.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
This is again just the local news. Ten I'm getting
this from right.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
And another friend said that Erica's face at some point
did look bruise and I also reported on what I'd seen.
I never got callbacks on anything interesting.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
So this is I think you're.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Exactly right body to keep our eyes on this.

Speaker 9 (53:32):
This is this is a new one. And what I
forgot to mention to you guys, this was a case suggestion.
It came as a a talk factor, it didn't and
they asked us to kind of look into this one.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Yeah, this one really, you know, that's great.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
I love that taha that it was from a talkback
because they really know the kind of cases that we're
interested or that I'm interested in at least, like, yeah,
this is a animals and possible domestic violence.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Body needs to know about this one. Yeah, how big
is the house though, Like, that's a lot of animals,
a lot.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Of well it's a lot of people too, six people, six.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
People and that many animals. So this is like a mansion.
It's supposed to be like a I.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
Don't I don't think it's as largest. I think I
think it's I don't think it was a large place.
I think that's part.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
Well, it's an apartment building and six residents at this
apartment building, so I think it's just an apartment stuff.
With all these animals, they still think about it.

Speaker 9 (54:22):
Wow, that even an apartment with like, let's say, and
animals is a lot. So we're now right fifty, that's right.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
It's like unimaginable. That's like an arc.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
I have two while I have three because of my
my cat that she's inside outside, but I have two dogs,
and I feel overwhelmed at times.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
I cannot imagine that when.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
When the cat is inside outside, does the cat just
come back?

Speaker 3 (54:46):
She was? She feels like it.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
The cat that I have was here when I moved in,
and she she was just a stray. Yeah, she was astray,
and I started feeding her and she became my cat basically,
so I took her and got her fixed and she
just uses the doggy door.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
She's like, okay, I live here now, so yeah, Mochi.

Speaker 9 (55:08):
Yeah, Mochi. I'm just about to ask what her name is.

Speaker 7 (55:11):
I do think cat people are a particular breed. I'm
not trying to make a horrible pun because of what
you just says, Stephanie. I don't understand like my cousin
Ali has a cat, and like so.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Many people, they'll go away and then come back. I mean,
I don't feel like I'm nervous, right I have I
feel nervous for already know where she's.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Going right now, hopefulness, or I don't know something that
I'm not equipped with.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
She wears she wears a breakaway collar because cats like
climb trees and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
I don't want her choking.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
She's all day.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
She she has an air tag on her collar.

Speaker 9 (55:48):
Oh I like that.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
I never I've literally never had to use it because
she always comes home.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
I mean she always does.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
This is for dinner.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
Oh yeah, I shake take the thing and she comes running.
I have a big box of temptation treats. I shake
it and she comes running.

Speaker 9 (56:04):
In, she comes down the street.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, she's like.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
I had to I had to get I had to
put a little bell on her collar because she was
killing lizards and I love lizards, and she was bringing
them to me and I was like, no, door.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
She was bringing lizards to the dog door.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
Huge ones I'm taking and she's tiny, huge among thiss lizards.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
I was like, oh, hell, she loves you so much.
Those I had to chase like they were like wiggling,
they were alive.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Dude, No, no, no, what are you doing that situation?

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Tell put a bell on its time to move the
bell on their.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Collar, because that's they can't sneak up on their prey anymore.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
So you put a bell on.

Speaker 9 (56:45):
Their collars, the rust.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Get it.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
I don't want her. I don't want her to hurt animals.

Speaker 5 (56:54):
Come on, can you imagine? Can you guys imagine that headline?
Don't f with cat star kills lizards?

Speaker 3 (57:01):
You you know, like a lizard.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
You can't cover the tabloids, Absolutely not, absolutely not anyway,
So we're gonna we're gonna be following up on this
story for sure because it's it's very, very interesting.

Speaker 7 (57:16):
Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of layers to this,
so listen, this, of course is true crime tonight. I'm Courtney,
and I'm so lucky to be here with Body Movement
and Stephanie Leidecker and with Taha and Adam and Samuel
in the control room.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
So we just.

Speaker 7 (57:30):
Finished talking about what Broddy brought up, the twenty four
year old eric A batter, and now we wanted to
actually move on to another story that's been in the news.
There's not ten tons of information, but we wanted to
just start it. So a federal investigation continues. There's been

(57:51):
an unexplained death with eighteen year old Anna Koepner. This
happened to board the Carnival Horizon cruise, So there's again
not let out a lot of information. FBI is leading
the investigation, Carnival is cooperating, Her family understandably is asking
for privacy amid a lot of public speculation. And you know, again,

(58:17):
Anna is just an eighteen year old who is a
high school senior from to a cheerlead Florida.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, she's a cheerleader.

Speaker 7 (58:24):
There has been some videos a beautiful young girl, and
authorities haven't released details about the cause or the circumstance
of her death. But again, the FBI is involved, and
they first responded to the scene when the cruise ship
docked in Miami, so that you know, that's basically what

(58:49):
it is. But I'll repeat that the family is urging
the public to not be speculating online. I would imagine
that could be a particular kind of cure to hear
all the oh that's true, potential scenarios for parents.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
And yeah, I'm always so curious just about the jurisdiction
piece of it.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
You know, what do they call that?

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Mary time time?

Speaker 3 (59:14):
But the FBI has.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
Jurisdiction over that, Like you know what I mean, that
FBI would handle that, right, So is.

Speaker 9 (59:20):
That probably more than likely? Why the FBI is involved
because it yeah at sea, So that's their involvement because
I mean, I you know, there's been a lot of
videos or tiktoks and things going around about this case,
and so it did raise some questions in my mind, like, Okay,
she is eighteen, so that is unusual, but we don't

(59:43):
really know her medical history, like maybe there is something
else true there could be you know, it's possible maybe
there was some drug use or something. So who knows.
There's there's a number of things that it's suspicious and
unusual because she's so young. But I've already come up
with some idea in my mind of what, you know,
potentially could be the case, not that there's something nefarious

(01:00:04):
that took place.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Right, it doesn't have to equal foul play, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I guess it's the Netflix documentary that we did for
our first Original Networks in Jill Where Is Amy Bradley?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
That got me all crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You know, it got me extra concern because you know,
sometimes it feels like an investigation could be undermined merely
by the fact that it's at sea, you know, And yes,
the FBI has jurisdiction, but they have to get there.
Is there a proper way to be able to secure
a scene, a death scene, even if it's not a

(01:00:35):
crime scene. You want to be able to gather all
the information humanly possible to make a proper assessment.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
So that can be really tricky on a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
But it sounds like the Carnival Horizon folks have it
all dialed in, thankfully, and.

Speaker 9 (01:00:49):
They're working with the family and the investigation team.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
So and they haven't said and they haven't said like
she died in a cabin or you know.

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
There have been no details shared about how or when
she died. Remains unclear if foul play is suspected. We
do know that her body was turned over to the
Miami Dade Medical Examiner's Office for autopsy. Those results have
not been released. There was a statement from a former
FBI agent, Nicole Parker, who explained that, you know, as

(01:01:22):
you mentioned Stephanie, with jurisdiction, cruise ship death cases, they
fall under the special maritime jurisdiction.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
It does make them complex and multi agency. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Again, we've now talked about the FBI and the Miami
Dade Medical Examiner's Office, so they will need to be coordinated.
But body, yeah, there's been no information even whether I've
seen I was traveling alone or with friends, is.

Speaker 9 (01:01:45):
Right, right, That's what I'm curious if she was with
a lot of other young friends or we haven't heard that,
so that may shift how we look at that. But
and you know, it's not the most uncommon thing that's
on cruise. I learned that when I was on a cruise.
We were all talking about that before, and I was
so fascinated when I met a crew member that said, oh,
we have a morgue on board. I'm like, why don't
have a morgue? And they were like, well, quite often

(01:02:07):
we have a lot of seniors and sadly some of
them can't manage the rigorous schedules and someone passes away.
And I'm like, oh, uh awful, Like so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Terrible or is that terrible or is that the way?
I mean? Yeah, ways to.

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
Go might not be now with margarita in your hand
as you're listening to you know, Jimmy yeah or something,
So maybe that's not the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
Look kuckar racha, yeah, garacha, indeed, keep it here. We've
got a lot more coming up True Crime tonight. We'd
love to hear from you. Eight A eighty three to
one Crime, True Crime Tonight, True Crime all the Time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and iHeart Radio. We're
talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here
with dancing Courtney Armstrong, hair down.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
And body is putting hers up. No, you're not allowed
to put it up. It's so beautiful. Let that hair down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
It gets like my earphones.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Oh you know, for all you long haired ladies. You
know again, I love long hair.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I I covet it. I have recently cut mine off.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I feel like my luck really turned around after I
did that, So now I'm kind of committed to this
hideous bob.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
However, something you don't know. I'm not missing for a compliment.
I'm just simply saying, if you have it, let it,
let it be.

Speaker 11 (01:03:36):
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
I do so beautiful the hear phone, I have the
you know, the in ear headphones, and and I have
I have a mullet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
You do not have a bullet. That is the silliest thing. No, No,
I think I love it. I call yeaheah. No, it's
and it's a female bullet. It's a shallow yeah, you
like that is its shell? It is that a thing.
I've never heard that before.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
It's a shadowland real, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:04:09):
Mullet was a what was it party in the back
or what was it business.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
In the party?

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
In both, it's a party.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
My hair gets caught in the earphones when it's down,
and it hurts, and I don't want to be hurting,
so I put it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
All right, Well, I don't want you to hurt by
being so beautiful, but come on, just for my mere
benefit anyways, it looks great either way either way. So yeah,
so this Epstein stuff, can we just like touch base briefly?

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Maybe tomorrow there'll be no new developments and I'm just
going to like euthanize myself tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
And that will be the end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
But while we're on the topic, just in terms of
next steps, because there does seem to be some new developments,
and Courtney's like voraciously looking at it right now. You
know one thing that I have to say, though, it
just keeps sick with me today. I'm remembering and again
box on all the houses. I think all of us
who can agree that we just all want some transparency everybody,

(01:05:10):
no matter what.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Side of it you're on, which is what I love.
At the bare minimum. I think we are more united
than not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
But when you remember back when they're well, I guess
it was when was when Trump was running against Hillary Clinton?
And remember I had that first debate where it was
like it was kind of contentious and he was kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Like circling around her a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
And it was like this real agro thing her husband,
you know, former Bill Clinton. He's in all like versions
of this, Yeah, in the epstein of it all, like yeah,
it this adds like this weird like added context to
that time period, Like did everybody just know this was
an open secret and literally everybody just knew about it

(01:05:57):
and looked the other way?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Is that possible? That's in It is literally impossible.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
I know, I think it's totally possible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I mean, do you not believe in corruption? I don't know,
do you? I'm really I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I really, I mean I know it exists quite obviously,
and we talk about versions of it every single day,
but it doesn't ever not bum me out at the
core when I'm like, wow, you actually have so much
power of influence and greatness.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Why would you not use that for good? How are
you not using it for good or just pure common sense?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Why do okay think about it? I mean this is yeah,
this is grossly different. But think about people who buy
their children's way into colleges buy them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Think about that. I mean, that's that's corruption, and that's
using you know, money. No, I figured her, I forgive her.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
She's fine, she can be onto allmark all day long.
I find it unforgivable, but it also happens. I'm never surprised.
I'm never surprised. These really are never surprised. No, let
me just think for one second. I'm doing a quick
cup chat one time that you were surprised in all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
The years I know you, I don't really think ever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Actually I'm always the one that's like, oh, they seem awesome.
That person seems amazing, and Courtney's like boohiss.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
That phrase absolute power corrupts absolutely right, And that means
the more power a person has, the more they are
to become corrupt. So the more powerful you are, you
you didn't become powerful by being a good person. You
became powerful by being corrupt, and the more powerful you are,

(01:07:34):
the more corrupt you are.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
I didn't agree, though there are exceptions to the rule.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I think money maybe can do that, of course, and
there's so many good exceptions to the rule.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
But you know, it comes to some good billionaires.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Well, like all those billionaires.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Even at my Kardashian's party that I wasn't invited to
for all the obvious reasons. However, there was like trillions
of dollars in that room, and even I, who I'm
a fan, was kind of like, you know, it's a
little let them eat cake, right, If those guys all
just put their little brains together, we could clear up
the government mess. We could have the veterans being fed,

(01:08:10):
the homeless shelters cleared out, all of our military being
supported appropriately. It does feel a little like, well, I
don't know what else to say about that.

Speaker 9 (01:08:22):
I thought Bill Gates was Wasn't he a billionaire? He
did a lot?

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
I mean he no, I mean his wife. The one
that's like is Taylor Swift. She's a goodson to college.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Taylor Swift a man. I prayed the house of Taylor
wait listen. Bill Gates, though his wife is not so
happy about him. No, wife, she's the first to throw
him under the bus when it comes to Epstein.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
That's why they divorced. Speaking right now, I'm going to
know I was killed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
My mother's in the studio today and is like, you're
gonna get yourself killed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
I'm like, please don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
But no, Bill Gay ex wife was like, I divorced
him because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Say loud, no, it's clear.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
So Bill Gates, who.

Speaker 7 (01:09:10):
I also have thought about as this wonderful beacon of
you know, philanthropy. Right, My mother in law, who is
a forensic super well known, internationally known forensic psychologist, and
she spent a lot of times literally on death row
interviewing people, and so she's she's been, she's seen some stuff.

(01:09:34):
She said that Bill Gates had the scariest, like deadest
eyes she's seen, and that is which just shocks me.
I have no for nothing further to add, but that
was her takeaway. And given her background, that's saying something.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
And there's a lot of history with Bill Gates and
like the open source software movement, I can get into
all this, but he is not a good person. He's
not like in order, like you know, computer hobbyists, you
know that you you need the software to like practice
and do things. And when when Microsoft Wirrest kind of
came out, he wrote an open letter to these hobbyists
that were using his software, and he.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Was like, how dare you?

Speaker 7 (01:10:13):
I mean just not a good person, but like we
should do a Knight of evil geniuses.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
Next week.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
I was gonna say, heads down, yikes, I mean, I'm
so wow to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Peter Tiel, is he good?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
No downs?

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Best bud?

Speaker 8 (01:10:45):
He was in a lot of the email leaks that
came out.

Speaker 9 (01:10:48):
Yeah, and Bill's name is there too, So so far
you might be right. We haven't named a good billionaire
yet other than Taylor, and I don't know. I think, well,
let's let's focus on yes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
If you anybody listening, also some happy bajillionaires who are
putting good in the world, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Ie kardash like.

Speaker 7 (01:11:08):
Attaching is attaching like Lamb's legs to other animals or
children to see like how can we keep the human
race going?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
He is involved in some very strange stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
He's also been to the island and why is everybody
at this weird island?

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
With Jeffrey Epstein with all this money, I just don't
like it. Who is writing the check? Who is writing
the check?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
If you guys know and we're getting it wrong, I
would love that to be the case.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Please.

Speaker 9 (01:11:36):
Oh, I thought of one Warren, Warren Buffet.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
He's a warm buffett.

Speaker 9 (01:11:41):
Well, yeah, he's a good billionaire.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Maybe, yes, he seems so. Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
I don't know, and I don't want to talk badly
about them anymore because I don't want anyone knocking at
my door.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
And exactly none of us are feeling suicidal. Just f YI.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
So well, interesting times. Well, I think we can do better.
I think that we are all going to see a
change into the right direction, and in our highest and
best good, we are all gonna do better.

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Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Yeah, does absolute power corrupt?

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Absolutely? What do you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
I mean for a reason, right?

Speaker 10 (01:12:36):
Does not?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
I love the optimism I do. What about you, Court,
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
I had an I have an interesting background in that
I spent the first punk of my childhood Astoria, Queen's
incredibly modest.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
I then moved to Greenwich, Connecticut.

Speaker 7 (01:12:54):
It's one of the most moneyed little sections in the country.
So I grew up a money like wealth money, real money,
and people by their way in and out of things
on every capacity. Oh there's no room on an airplane,
no problem, I'll buy a more expensive ticket and kick
some other jerk off.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Or it's just sort of every level of it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:18):
I then went to and I love my college, Trinity College,
my undergraduate I think there were more kids who went
not just to private school, but to boarding school than
to public school, so that I get yeah, Trinity absolutely.
Then it was followed, but I mean I came from

(01:13:38):
no cash.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
I then went to USC as we mentioned, oh yeah,
you know, AKA and University of Spoiled Children, and I
would see I would see that in the attitudes of
kids that I was teaching, who were eighteen years old
and like, my mother's not going to stand for these grades.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Oh right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
So I don't know, I've just I've been around it
in such so many small.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Ways that I've seen, And these are not bad people.
These are it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
I guess you just yeah, share it. Why not share
the money. Well that's not like your beloved Kardashians. Well,
that party didn't feel good, I will say I A
I just felt like it was like kind of poor taste. Oh,

(01:14:26):
Chris Kardashian had her seventieth birthday party, and like all
of the fancy people you just mentioned were there. They
were it was said to have like it was that
Jeff Bezos's house. It almost like a trillion dollar net
wealth in the room. Even Megan and Harry were there,
and it was opulent, and it had just sort of

(01:14:48):
this vibe of.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
In your face a little.

Speaker 9 (01:14:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
I mean the government shut down.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
People are struggling for real, like real str is are
just unimaginable.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
Entries are running out of food, running out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Of food, and kids are a little bit like that
was sort of tone deaf.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
And they just cancel the party.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Yeah, toss it to the military, or toss it to
the air traffic controllers who who you know, can't get
a day off and can't get paid for the job
that they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Rent and can't pay their rent.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
And you know, similarly like I remember when my dad
got LEO, there wasn't a time that you could when
you're living paycheck to paycheck, you know, four days is everything,
every day is everything. So I think, yeah, that of touch.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
They have no idea what it's like, no.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Concept, And I mean that's kind of what it does.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
It doesn't even necessarily come from nevarious places.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
They just don't understand.

Speaker 13 (01:15:49):
It's not like a literal different plane, right, It's a
different it's a different universe that these people live in,
you know, in in. Don't get me started, because I
get I get heated about it.

Speaker 11 (01:16:01):
I get it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
And by the way, one thing I do want to say,
and I know I did not.

Speaker 7 (01:16:08):
I love going in to Connecticut and my friends I've
made there and all of this stuff. I just I
think I have an interesting perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Well I do too.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
I grew up in I was born in Detroit, which is,
you know, not a great city at the time. It's
wonderful now, but at the time, I moved to Orange County, California,
which is very wealthy se south O c Laguna and
that's where I grew up. So I completely understand what
you're saying. I lived in an apartment. My friends had

(01:16:40):
beautiful homes, you know, but I so I totally understand.
But my perspective is all my friends got nice cars
and beautiful clothes, and my mom was sewing clothes from
Kmart patterns that she would buy, you know what I mean. Like,
I didn't have the opportunity that my friends did, but

(01:17:00):
I still love them. I still loved my friends and stuff,
but I just have a very different perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Well maybe that's why you're so cool now, though, don't
you think? Oh yeah, I will say, like you know this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
And again, I as we've talked about to nauseum.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I was in the Palisades, very jigy, very beautiful. I
had a very simple life there. It was renting, but
it was a little bit of a gut check on,
you know, when you start over. And I will say,
I'm so grateful for my life now, every little piece
of it. Like I just love my home goods and
I love the share I love living in right this second.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
I love the glass. It doesn't have to be expensive,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
And yeah, I guess we're not going to solve the
world's problems but can we just put the pedophilia peeps
away behind bars? Can we just make that happen at least, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
All we're asking. If you have committed a crime, let's just,
you know, lock it up.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
We absolutely agree on it. I just don't think it's
going to happen. I just don't have faith that the
powers that be are going to put their.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Friends in jail.

Speaker 9 (01:18:03):
I kind of feel the same way.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
I just don't they because it's mutually a sure destruction.
I can't put Jeff in jail because Eric, my brother
was with Joe.

Speaker 9 (01:18:12):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
I just don't think it's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Oh no, it's the West Wing again. They've had it again.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Listen, We're going to be right back with more talkbacks,
so make sure you stick with us. This is True
Crime Tonight. We're talking true crime all the time. Welcome
back to True Crime Tonight. I'm my Heart Radio. We're

(01:18:40):
talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here
with Courtney Armstrong, Body Move.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
In and the last segment of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Already, every time I turn around, I feel like I
say that in shock, but I really mean it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Each time this night has flown by.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Are you guys feeling the solar flares that body whispeaking about?

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
Oh my god, speaking about it. I really think I'm
feeling it. I really I have shifted timelines or something.
I'm telling you your frequency is very high. It is
something's going on. I don't know what's up. That's a
good thing about this with Indy. All day today, I've
been like, I have shifted dimensions or something's happened, and
I think it might be the solar flare or something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
And do you feel good though? Like even though you
feel bad, do you feel no? I feel kind of dizzy.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
I feel kind of I mean, I'm not I'm being
for I'm being so for real right now, I feel
kind of dizzy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
My eyes hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
I don't know what's going on, but it's something.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
I just feel kind of grade.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
My software is being upgraded. Yeah, that's what's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Yeah. Do you have dry eyes? I'm the worst.

Speaker 7 (01:19:42):
Is like a celestial being is making you better, which
I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Do you have dry eyes? Is my question?

Speaker 10 (01:19:48):
You do?

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Okay? I do? Do you do you have a cure?
Do you help me?

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Taking those vitamins for a hot minute. Yeah, I was
taking those for a really long time. They didn't really
do it, didn't do anyth Do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Dry eyes make you dizzy and like weird? Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:20:05):
They sometimes can.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Okay, well you also just said that your eyes hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Well, it feels like it feels like I'm very light
sensitive right now. That's like I'm very like, I don't know,
it's something's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Her system is upgrading my system is I listen, let
it be so I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:25):
But also, Stephanie, I think that those vitamins didn't work
for you because you don't metabolize anything.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Used to try and Celiac disease. Yeah, yeah, it is
so true. Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
That's why I you know, I have a very limited
uh dietary diet because of this silly gluten free life
I live. And it's not that fun period the end.
And I don't like vitamins and things.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
I don't really absorb them. Don't absorb.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
That's what I meant when I said, yeah, so Courtney
was feeding me these like D three vitamins that like
these gel tabs for my dry eye, and we.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Were prescribed them by a night doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
She wasn't like, actually feeding them to me, but my
eyes are very dry.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
How boring can I talk about an I was wondering,
how bored can I make? You know?

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
You know, I was just going to say. People, people
have responded to your comment about Celiac and it actually
tied in with a cruise thing we talked about earlier.
We have a talk back if you want to hear
what they said about this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Yes, talk about a swoo cruise. Hello.

Speaker 14 (01:21:42):
Everyone, I have a message for Stephanie specifically. I'm not
sure if you've heard of these, Stephanie, but they actually
have gluten free cruises and the organization that puts these
on make sure that the entire cruise ship is Celiac
safe and gluten free and all their cuisine and lunch
and dessert.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
So I love it. Something so you look into let's
let's go. I love that.

Speaker 7 (01:22:09):
That makes me really happy that that exists.

Speaker 6 (01:22:12):
Wonderful that the deal that yeah, and the most fun
fun group of people we're talking about is our dietary restrictions.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
All free people like Nope, no sweet sauce anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Ah.

Speaker 9 (01:22:39):
You know, like they probably party the hardest of anyone else,
like they did, They're probably gonna have such the best time,
and the chefs make a point to make the dishes
like so amazing, so they're probably kicking it up several
notches to make sure it's everything that you would want.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
I'm looking at Celiac Cruise dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:22:57):
Okay, can I to tell you, guys, when I was
told when I was little, my grandma I was. I
love my grandma, my mom's mom so much, Grandma Fox,
I love her anyway. She would go with all her
friends and they would all sit around and talk about
everything that was wrong with them, like my knees hurt.
And I asked her one day, I'm like, why do
you and your friends always talk about everything that's wrong
with you?

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
Like she's like, when you get old, that's gonna happen
to you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
And look at us, that's what we're doing.

Speaker 9 (01:23:26):
Yeah, my eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Just take your hair down. Take your hair down.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
That's a great little talk back. And for my fellow,
I'll see you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
There, you know, I mean, really that's really great.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
And like Indy is, she's she's gluten intolerant too. I
don't know if she's Celiac, but she's gluten intolerant too,
and those are things that she worries about when she travels,
and how wonderful it would it be to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
Go onifaication and not have to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Well, I do miss a buffet. I'm not gonna lie
there one big thing. I used to love a buffet. Yes,
you know you're eating some of the foods. It looks
like that's the food.

Speaker 7 (01:24:05):
But I'm looking at the Celiac Cruise. It's a truly
worry free vacation experience.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Let's do it. I'm in.

Speaker 9 (01:24:13):
So much I would go literally.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Any crew a show on the cruise.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
That would be so fine, that would be so good,
and would be like, yes, I am so there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
I said, I can party all night on a cruise.
That is right up my alley.

Speaker 9 (01:24:31):
But you got me frightened every since you said if
you want to kill someone, that's what you do on
a cruise. So now in a little like lerium, well
it is, I mean think.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
About anything, think about your job. Don't you worry?

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
I mean going on a cruise and you like you die,
like somebody murders you like the international law like what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
Like that is the place to do it, right yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:24:55):
Yeah, so yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Listen, the Celia people are not going to kill me,
so I'm going to know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Yes, they're worried about.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Oh no, you're so getting canceled, I know.

Speaker 8 (01:25:16):
I know.

Speaker 9 (01:25:18):
Anyway, well, I had an update on something that I
wanted to fill you guys in on we wrap things up.
Do you remember how could you forget the big robbery
in Paris of the little Worse?

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
I remember, remember.

Speaker 9 (01:25:34):
Noticed the beautiful diamonds. But I I know we were
all talking about that photograph when we saw the detective.
Remember the picture of the the chik jack. Yeah, and
we're all excited, like wow, even the French detectives are
put together. That's the It's exactly what you would picture. Well,
there's an update. You're going to be disappointed to hear this.

(01:25:57):
That viral photo from the day that the lou Jewel
hes the Internet into a frenzy, and the stylishly dressed
young man was photographed walking calmly past the police outside
the museum. It sparked speculation, of course, that he was
an undercover detective, maybe with the investigation. Well, the photographer
took the now famous image says the man was not
involved with the heist at all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
No, he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
The police officer or he was an instigators.

Speaker 9 (01:26:23):
Get this, he's a sixteen year old, so he's not
even a fifteen year old. He's not even an adult.
So he was very mature looking. But here's some of
the details. So after the heist, an AP photographer snapped
the photo of a sharply dressed man as he was
walking past the police barricades. The man had the fedora on.
For anyone out there who hasn't seen it, he had
a fedora, a tie, a coat, and blazer and everyone

(01:26:46):
you know, went on social media. They were talking about it.
That one photograph, by the way, got five point six
million views, Like it was like it broke the internet
and like everyone was going crazy as they were.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
I remember it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
So he pressed from like dressed from like the forties,
like you had the fedora on the scar of the
cane or something. It's a three points yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's very dressed, very fifteen year old dresses that way.

Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
Well, get this, I have his name, so bear with
me because my French is not great, but his actual
name is pedro It lost galzon del.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
I love it that French.

Speaker 9 (01:27:28):
I'm not going to say his full name again ever.
But he actually is from a small town just a
little west of Paris, and what he actually said is
he loves to be sheep. He loves to dress up
like that. He goes to school like this, in his opinion,
in a sea of hoodies and sneakers. I prefer to
show up in a three piece suit. Sometimes I wear

(01:27:50):
my hat, but I saved that for special days like
the weekends or museum visits, and so that day I
don't la because I actually appreciate. I love a fifteen
year old that puts on a superb once in a room.
But he said he went there with his grandma and
his mom didn't he saw. He actually was told about
the photo by other people. But he kept it low

(01:28:10):
key for a while. He didn't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Just csing at the police cart in front of the police.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
And it was a pose.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
Yeah, So he didn't even know that this was happening.

Speaker 9 (01:28:20):
I don't know what was happening, no, but he found
out later. Kept it a little quiet for a little
bit because he liked the mystery.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
That he had a world that was fun.

Speaker 9 (01:28:30):
But I thought it was amazing, and I just find
it so fascinating that a that it wasn't a detective
B that this just guy looks so mature and that
he dressed so dapper, so.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Of hoodies and sweat. Yeah, like what an independent. I
love the little spirit to be like he's going to
be a fashionista run in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
To say he's going to be signed by an agency.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
I was a great for Central.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
If he wants that, Like I don't even know, but
like I could see him being time because his style.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Is pretty good, really good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
And he looked really I mean, he looks sharp.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
I'm pulling it up right now. He did.

Speaker 7 (01:29:06):
He have like a little mustache, no mustache, he how
do I say mustache? So seriously, I'm a shadow of
the Fedora, which is just like a little fedora must
I mean shadow, but just.

Speaker 9 (01:29:21):
The hat kind of tilted down, the little three piece
he belonged to his grandmother.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
With his mom and his grandma. Just like seeing the
sights nice.

Speaker 9 (01:29:30):
So yeah, but anyway, I just love that little story
and it made me smile so.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Well, he's got a lot to play, that's wild. Yeah,
that's great. I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:29:41):
This is wonderful for him if he wants it to be,
like you said, whether it's fashion or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Because I can look is awesome at fifteen.

Speaker 5 (01:29:52):
Yeah, I mean he's not like a he's got his
hand in his pocket. He's like it's a pose. I
mean he's absolutely posing. I don't think he is posing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
I'm well, he was posing for his grandma and his mom.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, that's so.

Speaker 9 (01:30:06):
Let me take a cute picture here, and you know,
look good for it to dressy in high school? Like,
did you have a style like body? I want to
hear your style in high school? Were you more punk?
And I want to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
I was like I was like rock er punk, Like yeah,
rocker punk, Like yeah, that's it was?

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Yeah. I still I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Well, again, cash wasn't the jam, so my wardrobe was limited.
But I would say probably a little bit more preppy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
But I did used to wear a half shirt a
high school and I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Don't know who went out of the house a croop.
Like I look back on photos, I'm like, what planet
was I on?

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
And I was. I wasn't racy by.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
Anything, but Dron said when he met you, you were
wearing like a sweater.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
When I moved to South Beach, I was like a
hurdle nook.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
They're in style again now, ironically, but like I used
to wear like a turtle neck, you know, with the
no sleeves and then you have a little like a
little sweater over your shoulders.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Talk about it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Super dork and yeah, like you know, South Beach, everybody's
in bikinis and like you know, gold lemet clothes and
dancing all night in high heels, and you know my
sweater set, you know, required an adjustment for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Not to mention it was hot. I was just saying
it's humid and hot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Human and I was like, I'm not okay, and you know,
found my way, but yeah, probably a little bit more
on the preppy side, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
About you, Courtney.

Speaker 9 (01:31:39):
I want to hear what Courtney is.

Speaker 7 (01:31:40):
I've never had a style or good taste in music,
which is okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
I'm very that's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
You know, I wear a lot of dresses.

Speaker 7 (01:31:51):
I kind of always have because they're comfortable, But I
mean preppy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
If I had to.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Prefer, I want to dress and like you know that
that's my style.

Speaker 14 (01:32:02):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
I like tea dresses and uh, I don't like my
legs to be covered.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
For some reason. I don't know why, but I don't
like wearing paints. I like waring dresses, like to be
free A little like to be free. It's like the
air and let the air in, you know, like let's
air this out.

Speaker 9 (01:32:16):
I don't know, Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
I was.

Speaker 9 (01:32:19):
I was preppy too, Like I went through a preppy well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
I could see this, like a nice yellow polo button down.

Speaker 9 (01:32:25):
I'm a good polo.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
I did all of those wearing one right now.

Speaker 9 (01:32:29):
Yeah, much to I haven't changed it all those years.
But I went to a boarding school when I was
really when I was younger, and everyone had that preppy style.
It got too expensive to go to, so I wound
up going later to a public school. I was kind
of like a true version of like the Prince of
bel Air, if you will, or whatever. But then I
went to I went to that public school, and I

(01:32:49):
did not fit in at all because I was wearing
argyles sweaters and and this was like a school in
New York City shoved in locks. Oh yeah it was.
It was awful experience. But I did the last thing.
I befriended all the prettiest girls. And then everyone wants
to hang out with the guy that's friends with all.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
The true brilliant but you're still friends with all the
prettiest cycle.

Speaker 9 (01:33:15):
I love it, amazing, good job. All right, I'm in
a different dimension, so it's we have one minute left.
But I wanted to hear what Adam's style was before.
Can you give us thirty seconds to tell us yours?

Speaker 8 (01:33:30):
Yeah, I just stressed real basic. I would wear like,
uh well, I would wear like kind of oversized sweaters
and just jeans and converts, or like a big button
up shirt or something.

Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
Adam reminds me of, like seventies style. Right now, do
you know what Adam could be singing?

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Yacht rock right now?

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Yat rock that tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Don't forget we have Haley robson with us, one of
Jeffrey Epstein's survivors. So if you have any questions or
you have something specific you want to ask, just leave
us a talk back or leave us a message on
the voicemail at eight at eight three one crime, or
you can always DM us.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
I love you guys, great night, stay safe, back tomorrow

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