The Melodee Buzzard Arrest Twist, Ghislaine Maxwell’s Prison Privileges, and the Death Penalty Spike

A whistleblower claims convicted sex offender Ghislaine Maxwell is living a life of comfort behind bars, as Congress pressures Prince Andrew to finally talk. Sean “Diddy” Combs’ team denies explosive reports about homemade alcohol in prison. And 2025 has seen more executions than any year in over a decade — tune in for all the details.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Monday, November tenth, and guess
what we have a stacked night of headlines. Missing nine
year old Melanie Buzzard's mother, Ashley has officially been arrested
for unrelated charges, but arrested nonetheless, so we'll be unpacking that.

(00:40):
It is shocking. Also a whistleblower within the prison system
that sex offender who has been convicted, Gilane Maxwell, is
somehow getting preferential treatment behind prison bars, and there are
some formal.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Complaints about it.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Again, buckle up because you are going to be extremely
surprised and mad when you hear some of these things
that Gilain Maxwell is getting access to behind bars. Also,
some more fallout from the Karen Reid case. We'll remember
the detective Michael Proctor, disgraced detective. I might add he

(01:21):
has nineteen more murder cases that are being looked at
and potentially being called into question because of some of
his air quotes potential shady behavior, so lots to get
to there. I'm Stephanie Leidecker, I head of Katie Studios.
We make true crime podcasts and documentaries and listen. I

(01:42):
am so happy to be here this Monday night with
my Courtney Armstrong and my body move in.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
We got the whole crew here.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Tonight Taha House and of course Sam and Adam in
the control room keeping us all in line. And we've
hope you had a great weekend and that your week
is off to a perfect start.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Honestly, everybody today.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Has been a doozy of the day in the news,
so we have so many things to get to, but
I hope you guys had a great Monday so far.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, kicked off.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
It was actually one of those days where you feel
like you're firing on all cylinders, which just feels good.
Like all the things that needed to be done got
did me too, and with a odd pep in my step, So.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I don't know, I'll call that good.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
No, I was really productive all day. I don't know
what got into me, but I was like knocking things
off on my I'm a list maker. I love lists.
I will make lists for everything. Okay, are you a
list maker? And I'm a list maker and I actually.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
More of like an Excel doc maker.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
No, my to do list is in Excel, of course,
is in excels.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
No, I really did. I was checking things off all day.
I was like, oh, look at me, look at me. Okay, yeah,
I love that good day. I was a little bit
of party pants all weekend.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I had some friends come in to surprise me and
have a visit this weekend and it was so it
was so fun and honestly, just with the doctor ordered,
I feel like a million bucks in same. I haven't
checked as many things off my list today, but I'm
just really happy to be here with you guys. I'm happy,
period of Yes, that is for sure. We've gotten a

(03:15):
lot of chatters, so there is lots of talkbacks and
things to get to. But first body, yeah, Shure would
begin this. Melody Buzzard, Yeah, case you.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Know what we mean, Will Harry So.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Ashley Buzzard the mother of the missing nine year old
Melody Buzzard. She was arrested in her home near Santa
Barbara on unrelated false imprisonment charges while continuing to withhold
information from an investigator searching for her still missing daughter.
I mean still she's holding on information. Melody Buzzard. For

(03:47):
those you know that aren't familiar with this case, Melody Buzzard,
she's nine years old. She was reported missing October fourteenth,
twenty twenty five, after the school official noticed her prolonged
absence and called in. Family members say that she hasn't
been seen for more than a year, but there is
surveillance confirmation she has been seen, but the family doesn't

(04:08):
even know where she's at. Surveillance footage shows Melody traveling
with her mother in disguise.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean she was.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
This little girl was made to wear a wig. It's
like a long black straight wig. And you know, Melody's
got this beautiful brown curly hair, and this mom made
her wear this, well, we think this black straight wig.
She was in disguises this whole time, during this trip
where they drove from Santa Barbara all the way to
Nebraska and then back, and when Ashley came back, little

(04:36):
Melody wasn't with her. So that's the kind of background here.
So in meanwhile, she's not giving any investigators any detail
about where her daughter is. She was again, she was listen,
she was arrested on November seventh on false imprisonment charges.
Detectives learned of a recent incident where Ashley the Mom

(05:00):
prevented a victim from leaving a location against their will,
which constitutes false imprisonment. The FBI said in a post
on x This crime is not connected to the ongoing
search for Melody. However, detectives are unable to fully outline
the crime as it would impede their ongoing investigation.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Isn't that interesting, So it sounds like they need her, Yeah,
they want to have her in house. They want her
behind behind m M. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
They want to keep her on board, in line in jail,
maybe to continue to ask her questions, keep her talking.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Sure, information about Melodi's.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Whereabouts, right, yeah, So hopefully we'll get some more information
about that from her being held in confinement, but as
of right now, she's not talking. The arrest came one
day after the police released the surveillance video showing the mom.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Do you remember we talked about this last week.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Mom was taking out the missing posts from the front yard.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
That was such a horrible sight to see and going, yeah,
just going around her neighborhood and removing that terrible She
was she was removing.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Them, cooperating with police and removing signs.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
So yeah, yeah, so just for a couple of Yeah,
she's taking the signs back that her hanging in her
front yard of her missing daughter.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
She's physically taking them down. We've seen that.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
We've seen her on surveillance footage. She's wearing a wig
and her beautiful nine year old daughter is wearing a wig.
It was not Halloween. It was almost as though they
were in disguise. That's the chatter, correct, right now? We
also know that her license plates were swapped out.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
I was just going to say, we know that she
switched out her license plates on the way back from Nebraska,
and investigators say both mother and daughter were wearing wigs.
We know that already. They believe mom swapped wigs throughout
the trip to intentionally avoid recognition. So not only did
she switch plates and then switched them back, but she

(07:12):
put this wig on, and she took it off, put
a different one on, put it, took it off, put
a different one on throughout this trip on the way
back home to avoid detection.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
So think about the premeditation, Think about the preparation.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I mean, you have to shop for the wigs.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
You have to I don't even know where you find
yourself a license plate.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
You have to have multiples, Yeah, you have to have multiples. Right.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
And then when she when mom returned the car to
the car rental place, she had the correct license plate
on the car, the correct Califileen license.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Plate on the car.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
You know, to switch them back and forth.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
She took the time to switch them back right, right.
So I thought we we could maybe talk a little
bit about mom's background. But that's okay, maybe a little
bit about her. So Ashley buds her mother said, you know, well,
she has a history of mental health and financial challenges
prior to Melody going missing. According to her mother, Laurie,

(08:12):
Ashley's home was, you know, in disarray when Melody was
a baby. There were she came over and there were
like raw eggs and pants. There was rotten food in
the fridge and she said, I think she was trying
to give it to my granddaughter, so basically feeding Melody
rotten food. In twenty twenty one, Ashley the mom was

(08:34):
hospitalized for several weeks, prompting Melody's paternal grandmother, Lily. Again,
this is her father's mom. Father the father of Melody
tragically died in an accident when she was six months old,
so he's not in the picture. But grandma is still
you know her grandma, right, sure. So when Ashley got
sick and she was in the hospital, Melody's paternal grandmother, Lily,

(08:58):
temporarily took care of Melody while you know, Ashley was
in the hospital before legal Oh and she tried to
adopt her. So there was something going on mentally that
it prompted the family to try to adopt Melody from
her mom, but the legal proceedings stopped. Ashley was discharged

(09:19):
from the hospital, picked up Melody from school and left
the area. Yeah, and had they don't see her very often.
It's like, you know, they haven't seen her in a while.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, of course if the mother Ashley has, you know,
has custody, then that's at her will. This is true
crime tonight. We're on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong. I'm thrilled
to be here with Body Moven and Stephanie Leidecker, and
we're talking about the missing nine year old Melody Buzzard.
If you have any thoughts, we do want to hear
from you, give us a call. We're at eighty to

(09:52):
eighty three to one crime and also authorities do continue
continue to seek tips from the public. So if you
have any tips, whether you you know, think it might
be an important detail or not important detail, give a
call to eight zero five six eight one four one

(10:15):
five zero.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Body. What Yeah, it's very important and we'll repeat that
one more time. Body.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
What else do we need to know about sort of
the background?

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah, so there's one other thing. The grandma, Lily said
that Ashley legally changed Melody's last name to match her
own and cut off all physical contact with the girl
the father's family. So Lily has little clue what Melody's
life looks like right now, right or prior to her disappearance,

(10:46):
because Mom cut off contact and it kind of makes
me think and I'm hoping and I'm you know, I'm
trying to find some positivity. Right it seems like mom
has some mental issues, right, which no, she because you know,
we all struggle, right, and I'm kind of wondering knowing
about her background a little bit is did Ashley the

(11:08):
mom get it in her head that Melody was like
in danger and needed to get out of there and
she drove her to like a thrusted friend or something
and said I'll come back for her.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Just keep her safe, do you know what I mean?
Like was she running from something or yeah?

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Or was she running from something and like, take care
of my girl, I'll be back. You know, I don't know.
I'm just hoping for the best. I'm not looking to
find the worst.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
It's two possibilities here.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
One maybe mom felt as though, to your point, maybe
her daughter was unsafe or in a climate that she
wasn't getting on with fellow family members, or there was
something bigger happening in her world and she felt like
her daughter was at risk and to put her in
a better environment, she had to go through all these

(11:56):
different measures. Disguise her daughter, you know, her in a
car dead of night, keep her out of school so
that she could protect her and maybe put her someplace safe.
Or it's something far more nefarious, and it does check
a lot of the boxes when you hear stories of trafficking.
Changing license plates is a very coordinated effort.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
We've discussed this.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Wigs disguises a nine year old who is not in
school also are very big tells, and that's dangerous stuff.
Why is she not in school, and why is melodies
whereabouts unknown at this moment? Again, we saw this with
Lori Valo the you know, I'll say it because she
is a maniac who killed her own children, and the

(12:45):
entire time the country was looking for them, she was
like keeping it quiet, right, she kept her mouth shut.
I'm not just a say the cash, of course, but
it's just like the idea is as a mother, you'd
be screaming from the rooftop, please help find my daughter.
She doesn't want her daughter to be found wherever she is.

(13:05):
She does not want the attention on her daughter's whereabouts
the end. She wants her daughter to be wherever she
is quietly, whether that's for good reasons or for very
scary reasons. And it just seems like these charges are
so strange that why is she being charged with holding

(13:26):
somebody hostage? Like essentially, what does that even mean?

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Right? Go ahead, Oh, I was going to say.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
We looked into false imprisonment a little bit, and it
is a legal term, and really what it means is
intentionally restraining, confining, or detaining someone without their consent and
with no legal authority, so this can happen. I thought
that was for like the elderly, like if you were
an elder in the care of a child, or if

(13:53):
you're an elder who's in the care of a nursing home,
or you're in the care of a family member who's
not taking care of you, like you could be charged
with that. Like you're basically being held against your will,
I don't you know, Or you could be held hostage
in the.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Basement and chained to a table. Like this is a
very wide range of things. This could apply to, right,
very wide.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Yes, yeah, I mean everything from in a retail store
at a TJ Max.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
You can be held.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
If you are suspected of shoplifting without probable cause. It
kind of domestic situations, you know, preventing someone from leaving
a room or getting into a car. It can be
an employer or manager unlawfully confining an employee during an investigation.
So it really does. And to your point, Stephanie, definitely

(14:42):
health care facilities if someone says they are being held
against their will, so it is a ride wide range
and that is what she's being And.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
If you're wondering what mom did prior to all this happening,
she was like a special ed assistant at like not
like a school, but like for some kind of facility.
So it's possible that maybe there was some false imprisonment
going there. I don't know, we don't we really don't know.
And the investigators are not saying because they said it
would impede their current investigation. Boo.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Well, listen, we will keep you updated as more information
on folds and remember if you have any details about
where melody might be called eight oh five six eight
one four one five zero. And after the break, we
have a whistleblower in the Gleen Maxwell case and more
info on Karen Reid True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
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Speaker 2 (17:00):
Of our super savvy listeners who are keeping us on
the street and narrow. We were just talking about this
tragic Melody Buzzard case, the nine year old girl who
was missing. If you have any theories or thoughts, please
join us.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know, since mom has now.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Been arrested for other charges, odd charges I might add
that are very you know, vague. I wonder if there's
a universe that maybe mom in some state, whether a
healthy one or a not healthy one, who knows that
maybe she knew that there were other things in the ether,
and then perhaps she would be arrested for something else

(17:37):
and she wanted to make sure her daughter was not
taken by child protective Services or something, and maybe that's
why she made some weird run for it.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
I want to view this. I want to believe that's too, Steph.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
And that's why I keep thinking, like, no, yeah, because
then should be healthy. Right, she has some mental health challenges, right,
And if you're in this like state, is it possible
that paranoid is one of those symptoms?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Right?

Speaker 5 (18:02):
And you know, if you are living in this world
where you know they're going to take your daughter away
or or if she's in danger, and you're you know,
some perceived danger, right, not real danger, but this perceived danger,
and you're getting questioned by you know, the sheriff's office
and the police and the FBI. Are you in a
state where you might think, wow, you know, I can't

(18:24):
tell them because they're in on it too, right, Like
is there a world that we live in where she's
and maybe I'm just trying to be positive about it,
you know, like and in denial of some kind of
what That's what I'm trying to do.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
That's what I'm trying to.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Do hope, Like I mean, if anything, that means that, yeah,
live and safe somewhere, and ideally that's how this all
winds up.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
But if we take that, let's let's go with that
scenario for a moment, then I really would have to
wonder who is the person that Melody was quote safely
dropped off that with all of this pressure coming in
and requests and demands, I would question in that scenario
that person.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Well, his, his, the father's, the.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Whole country is looking for her.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
The father's mom mentioned that she said something about in
Utah or once they got to Utah, you're getting into
my son's friends area. So I don't know if maybe
you know and her ex who you know has passed
on again. He had this tragic accident when Melody was
six months old. His friends live along that route, and

(19:37):
the grandma was kind of opining that, well, maybe Melody
is with one of them.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
But to Courtney's point that the news coverage everywhere in
the world right now, wouldn't that friend come forward and
at least say.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Heycop's eye not as goddors they do not if they
are also convinced that you know, Melody's in danger, and.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
You know, I don't know, I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
An this Melody is in danger. Maybe her circle isn't
as good as it seems, again Devil's Advocate, it sounds
terrible her her mother should be doing everything in her
power to put this to rest and give answers to
authorities and not waste law enforcement's time if in fact,
she is healthy and safe someplace obvious. I want to believe, though,

(20:22):
in my heart, that no mother in their right mind
could put their child in danger purposefully unless she is
running from something, and especially if it's maybe her father's
who's now deceased friends. You know, maybe there is something
bigger behind the scenes. But regardless, law enforcement has a

(20:45):
lot on their plate. So searching for a non missing
girl would be really tragic also in its own way,
but that would at least mean that she is safe
and that she's alive, and the alternative is just too
much to think about. You know, we talk about trafficking
so much. We're coming off of a very happy, heavy
trafficking talk day, so our brains are a little imploating

(21:08):
with worst case scenarios in terms of what trafficking looks like.
And honestly, if you look at a textbook, that's what
trafficking looks like.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
When you said that, Mom.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
When you said that about the license plates and whatnot
in the wigs, I met the hairs on my arm
stood up. I was like, oh, because I didn't even
think about that, Stephanie, I didn't. You know, I haven't
really been in the trafficking role. You know, world, You know,
I don't know a lot about it. So I've gotten
a real good education from you guys who you know,
of course, with miss missing and murdered in Montana. Uh,

(21:40):
you know, you kind of learned.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
All about that. Moms. It's typically moms are pretty low
on the list, Rightie.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Also, you qualified that when you had what you said earlier,
you qualified. I can't imagine that any mother in her
right mind would that's true. I just want to pause
on that sang for what it's worth.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
That's good till further notice.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
That was well said court, that that puts a conclusion
to this part of the story until further notice. And
let's all put our positive thoughts and hope and prayers
out for melodies safe return and for Mom to get
whatever help she is seeking in needs. Yeah, I mean
listen onward to other great trafficking news.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Not to be a super double downer, but here we go.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Gilay Maxwell, who is Jeffrey Epstein's buddy and co conspirator
as we all know too nauseum. She was sentenced on
federal sex trafficking charges for twenty years, and you know,
very recently was she kind of went to a low
security prison very abruptly in the dead of night, and

(22:54):
there's been a lot of mixed feelings about that because
she is a sex offender, and for reasons that no
one can quite explain, she suddenly was moved from a
real prison to a kind of low key spa like prison.
And now there's been a whistleblower who has come forward

(23:15):
to basically say, oh, you think that's bad, wait till
you hear what Gilaine's life is like behind bars, and
is urging President Trump to please hear this because.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
He may not know this is happening.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
So from the rooftops they are saying the following, what
are the things Courtney? Everybody, buckle up because this is
going to make you nuts, is going to.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Make you mad. Yeah, okay, buckle up.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
He's gonna make you mad, you'll be telling Mad at
both scenario vacation. So here's what's up, Members of the
House Oversight Committee. They're alleging that Gilaine Maxwell is receiving
and I quote concierge's style treatment. And this is at
the Texas Federal prison she is in.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
As well.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
She's preparing a clemency request to President Donald Trump. And
that's this is all based on the whistleblower reports as
well as internal prison documents. So this whistleblower has claimed
that one of the top prison camp officials complained he's
quote sick of having to be Maxwell's bitch. The whistleblower

(24:24):
information meals that's right, and quote.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Can you repeat that?

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yes, that so per the whistle blower, one of the
top prison camp officials complained, he is sick of having
to be Maxwell's bitch.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Top prison official. Oh my gosh, yes, wow.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
So basically they're the butlers. What do you hear about
the services they get? Ok, she's getting some you know,
interesting interesting side services.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Go ahead, court, Yes, so her unusual it's the words
that's been used. Her unusual privileges include customize meals delivered
to her cell after hours, gym access, and brace yourself
time with service puppies, which this, since it's noted, is
outside of the norm of what prisoners should be getting.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Maxwell also has private service puppies. I know, I know,
I can.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
We just want to stop on that for one quick second,
time with service puppies. So Gilay Maxwell, a federally charged
sex offender who's behind bars, not really not really serving
the sentence that she was supposed to, despite the many
that have come forward, is getting time with puppies.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Can you imagine now? Absolutely? Well? But wait, there's more.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
So Gilaine Maxwell also has private meetings with visitors who
are allowed to bring computers, and this potentially enables unmonitorus
communications outside the prison.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
This is all out side of the norm.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
Oh my gosh, yes, emails. Let's pause their court, sorry
to jump ahead. Yeah, bringing in computers.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
That are not monitored by the system.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
Okay, wait a minute, she communicates with you outside without
recorded or monitored. Yeah, not being monitored now, okay, so
those for those who don't know, every time you're when
you're in prison and you make a phone call or
you send an email or you know, on your tablet,
those are all monitored by prison officials to make sure
that you're not you know, you know, conjuring up legal

(26:35):
activities while you're in prison. You're telling you sheol your
own computers and they let her hook them up to
their system and she's using those communities. Oh my god,
that is I've never heard of anything like this.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Even different, even worse.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Somebody comes to visit Gilane and let's remember high profile person, right,
Like the last person that we heard visited glean Axwell
was just days before she got transferred, and that was
a top dog within the Trump administration. To get some
Moring can tell about, you know, what her experience was
with Epstein. Remember she's getting she's trying to get excused

(27:16):
or clemency, which is another way of saying excused from
her crimes. Because back in the day, in twenty eighteen, Epstein,
Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender who has now died.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Back in twenty eighteen, he.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Made this deal where he basically said, eh, any of
this trafficking stuff, none of my co conspirators should be
tried or you know, brought under any sort of suspicion.
And now she's claiming like, oh wait, that's me, that's me.
So like she's trying to get out of a out
of her twenty year sentence on like a technicality from
back in the day. I would say, if you're not

(27:55):
a co conspirator, why would you be covered in the
co conspirator clause of yesterday year? Obviously there's something to
conspire about. And we've heard, I mean, Gelett, the list
is so long of now victims who have come forward
to speak out against this, show us the files, sorry, Core,

(28:15):
back to the pens and the other privileges that she.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Has, well the biggest, so all of those cushy. And
I love that the word concierge service was used in this.
Get this Congressional letters allege that the warden is directly
assisting Maxwell with copying, with printing, and with sending her
clemency documents. So I saw this and thought is this normal?

(28:42):
And producer Ava actually hopped in. I said, this doesn't
make any sense, and in fact it doesn't. And a
warden taking an active role in preparing, sending, or managing
any specific inmates legal documents, it crosses into case advocacy.
So that is completely outside and it's illegal. Yeah, it's

(29:03):
completely That's what's ridiculous. It's completely outside it's administrative scope,
and it may violate impartiality. Of course, it may violate
impartiality if you're there saying how many copies, ma'am can
I get for you as important.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
And here's some textbooks about the law, and here's you know,
whatever he's doing, I mean, just giving her advice on
on I just I've never heard of this before.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, so none.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
I feel kind of like speechless a little bit. And
you're right, I am.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I'm a little pissed off, actually, well a lot like.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
The fact that this is happening right now when women
who I guess we just don't believe any of the victims,
and that Jeffrey Epstein was not doing the things that
he was accused of doing, which we know is untrue.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
The one way to prove that is show us the files.
Show us the files. What is the hold up? Well,
it seems like while all of those conversations are going on, Yeah,
they're just going.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
To like somebody, somebody very powerful and I don't know
who that is, but somebody very powerful is you know,
telling the warden to make sure she's comfortable so that
she doesn't talk. They're never going to release these files.
It's never going to happen. Like I'm convinced of it.
I disagree, do you? Okay, Well, I I want to.
I want to believe it. I do want to. I

(30:22):
just don't all these people.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
According to House Representative, you know, our House representative now,
Mike Johnson says that he will in fact finally swear
in our congresswoman who is finally going to be the
vote in signature that is needed to perhaps get these
files finally released. As I say that, Courtney Armstrong and

(30:44):
both body moving are both shaking their heads like it's just.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Going to be something going to see.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
They're going to find some rule, some procedural rule that's
going to block it. They're going to find some excuse
not to release it.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Listen, we are knee deep and a lot of frankly
terrible talks about Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell. At the moment,
we were just discussing the fact that Elaine Maxwell is allegedly,
allegedly allegedly getting some really sweet treatment behind bars, like
playing with some pets. She has access to special food

(31:17):
being delivered to her her cell after hours. Oh, she
also has access to a gym after hours.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
In private computers.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
That is more than any single one of us listening
right now probably don't have that same sweet access on
a daily basis. And this is somebody who has been
federally convicted on sex crimes. So again it was number one,
a really bad thing and an interesting thing, a frankly
Air quotes unusual thing that she was transferred to such

(31:49):
a low security prison.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
In the first place.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
By the way, the inmates at this low security prisoner
are like, Hi, we don't really want the pedophile and
the sex trafficker or the sex offender kind of roaming
amongst us. We do different kinds of crimes here that
we've been convicted of.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
It's a different place.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
There's not even any bars, there's not even Yeah, they're like,
it's low key, it's still prison. Not to understate, but
the fact that this woman is getting access to a
computer that is not being regulated in the fact that's
true by officials, just means the show is going on.
So she's filing for clemency, she wants to get released,

(32:30):
she wants a commutation, which essentially could be also she
could get pardoned by the president. But also that she
is getting access to the real world when no other
prisoner in that place. By the way, no other prisoner
anywhere is getting that. That is like the number one
thing you have to give up when you were arrested.

(32:52):
You're privacated for a crime. It's like highly monitored. You
can't even receive a letter in the mail without it
me for obvious reasons. Yeah, exactly. And maybe the warden
is suddenly now her attorney, But these are privileges that
are straight up dangerous. The idea that she would have
access to a laptop that is not being regulated when

(33:15):
she is being associated with a worldwide trafficking event, that
it's happening real time, is.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Shocking to me.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
And again Speaker of the House Mike Johnson says he will,
in fact, you know, swear in the congresswoman who might
be the one who will get these files released.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
That's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
The government may in fact be back soon, hopefully, you know,
God willing then later and maybe this will put an
end to it. I know you guys, I mean I
get it, Like, it doesn't seem as though there's not
going to be some sort of thing and yet another thing. Oh,
they're not going to pardon Gileen Maxwell, of course not
We're just going to quietly, allegedly put her in like

(33:58):
a spa and give her all the village is of
a regular person, and she should will be the wiser
until she shuts up. She won't say anything. We won't
say anything. Hey, look, everybody wins. What is everybody not saying?
And I, you know, this gets us all so hot
and bothered me specifically, But what are they not saying?
And I don't know either, Like it's not as though

(34:20):
I secretly think that I know the endgame in this,
like oh, this is the person that's going to be exposed.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't know. Actually I'm equally confused as everything.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
It's mutual assured destruction. Like it's it's everybody.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's so well said.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
It's the Democrats, it's the Republicans, it's the miners, it's
the majors, it's the it's everybody, and you know, it's everybody.
I think that's why every you know, because this isn't
just the banks, It's it's all the banks.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
You're right, the banks. It's not even I think, let's even.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Out of respect for the country that I love so much.
On the eve of Veterans Day, as a United States citizen.
I am so proud to be one. This is the
greatest country in all the world. So I don't want
to talk anything negative, even about Let's just put it
aside for a sec right, put aside even Trump. Let's
go back to everyone.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Prior, every other elected official in the time. Oh, I
don't know every world leader. How about every banker? How
about the world leaders of every bank who's making all
the decisions about our government real time? What is the
problem that everybody seems to be inheriting? You know, if
you look at this one, they're like, oh, actually it

(35:30):
was that one. No, no, no, it's this one. It's
that one. Okay, So who's the top dog in this one?
That one game? I don't know, is there a top dog.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
It's a ton of messy dogs, a ton a ton
of privileged people with power with money, both of which
buy control, who are indeed, it appears, controlling the narrative
to keep their yeah noses out of it. It's probably

(36:02):
so true, like that names in the name, there's a
reason we're not seeing the files. Let's be honest, right,
so we can all agree that there's an egregious cover
up happening.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
So despite the fact.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
That every corner seems to be like, yeah, we're going
to show you, but of course we're not. That's becoming
the joke at this point. You know, everybody's saying we're
going to be so transparent, yet going.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Through every possible tactic to not be so. It's going
to be pretty bad. And I think we follow the money.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I honestly, as we see more influential people do more
horrifying things.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
As as the rest of us, the government being shut down,
people not being paid.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I mean, don't get me on the soapbox of all
of the things that are happening real time around us.
What are we going to do with Courtney Armstrong. I
feel like you're going to solve it for us right now.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'd like to solve it.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
And if there's a platform, I think it is this one,
which is True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio and yeah, I'm Courtney,
I'm here with body, I'm here with Steph and we
have been talking about Gillien Maxwell's preferential treatment and the
whistleblower who has put forth these wild details of what

(37:18):
she is allegedly receiving. If you want to weigh in,
and we want you to give us a call. We
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Speaker 3 (37:40):
And now we are.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Going to go into what is happening with Prince Andrew.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Right a little bit right?

Speaker 5 (37:49):
So, so body, yeah, the House, the US is getting
involved with the Prince Andrew situation.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
So well, former Prince Andrew right.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
US House members have formally requested that former Prince Andrew,
now he's known as Andrew mount Batton windsor that's his
official name because he's no longer Prince Andrew testified before
Congress about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Can you believe this?

Speaker 6 (38:16):
So?

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Yeah, this follows uh Andrew's recent loss of all his
royal titles amid renewed scrutiny of this alleged involvement with
the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Ad I wonder if this doesn't line up then, because
we were asking and Stephanie leading the charge of sort
of the why now strip Andrew's title from him after
things have been you know, by months and in pieces
put stripped away.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
And maybe this is a big part of it.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
It could be, but I think a lot of it
has to do with Guphray's book, Virginia Gupfray's book. I
think nobody's girl, right. I think that you know, this
exposed Prince Andrew keeps. You know, it's going to be
hard to get used to that, not saying printing Andrew
Andrew out windsor Andrew windsor right the House of Windsor.

(39:09):
I think that it's going to be I think it
exposed him, like to a lot of people. You know,
she went into great detail in this book about how
he was with her, and I think that, you know,
the King of England was like, uh eh no, I
just I do. And now Congress wants to know about it.
I think that's a pretty significant development.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I don't know they should.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Know about it. By the way, I want to know
about it. How is this man getting away with everything?
I don't care about his titles. I'm a super fan
of all things royals, by the way, so I support
the royals.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
I love the royals, I follow them.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I got up for every wedding and watch it at
two o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm on board.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
The idea that Prince Andrew has titles taken away when
he too is being associated with a sex.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Offense is also offensive.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
And yeah, people want criminal charges here in the United States,
or they want an interview with him. I think people
also in England want some real criminal charges for this nonsense. Also,
why is Fergie taking cash? By the way, I love Fergie.
This hurts me to say it. This hurts me to
say it. Why is Sarah Ferguson taking cash?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
All right?

Speaker 4 (40:23):
I have been talking to Betty my mom, and Fergie
is as.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
The royal more than me, other than Betty. Yes, but
even Betty will say that. And my mom is a grifter, yes,
and stop hold the presses. I want to hear that.
Say it louder. Wait, she's also she's always Jetty's opinions.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah, yeah, No, she's always begging money off begging money
off of that one. But the House over Side Committee,
they sent a formal letter and this was just on
November six, and that was requesting Andrew's cooperation with the
investigation into Epstein's network, and it asked Andrew to sit

(41:12):
for a transcribed interview and to respond to this November
by November twentieth, and they said there is quote urgency and.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Gravity to the matter.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
And law makers also said that Andrew's long standing friendship
with Epstein, as well as quote well documented allegations, suggests
he could have information relevant to identifying Epstein's co conspirators
and enablers.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
And that seems so obvious. I mean, it just seems
really clear. It does. I mean, what is the hold up?
Why is he not jumping in?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Let's assume for a second again, class half full, a
bright eyed, sunny place that my brain lives. Is it
possible that Jeffrey Epstein, the very you know, charismatic important man,
invited very other charismatic and important men to his you know,
special island, all expenses paid to come there and have

(42:12):
important talks with other important people.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Listen, That's how it goes, kids, right.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It happens on golf color courses, it happens on island, yea.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Cruise ships. You know, everybody's schmoozy. Right.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
This is not my reality, but I see it in
the movies, right, and I know this is how certain
things go down, or at least they did. And let's
assume they were all brought there under the best of circumstances.
Maybe they were going to talk about the world and
how to make it better.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
And when when they.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Get there, there are all these young, beautiful girls offering
a massage.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
And then it escalates and then they realize.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Oh, shoot, I got a massage. Yeah, I got a
massage by the wrong she's underage. I just seen his
sixty too bad. We have all these camera Oh my goodness,
she's thirteen and what And look there's cameras everywhere.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I didn't realize it, Oh my goodness. And maybe I
had been.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Maybe they were drugged, maybe they were drinking, maybe there
were stone sober. But regardless, there's now blackmail evidence to
keep you in line.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
And so the story goes.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
And not only blackmail evidence, Stephanie, Right, this is blackmail
evident evidence against heads of state, right, or people with
influence with.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yes of state. Correct.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
Right, So this is like, yeah, more war than just right, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
which are also kind of head.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
To state if you think about it, right, like affecting
every single one of us literally and expecting interest rates
and all of the things that we're all suffering with
real time. It's like the price of eggs is a
bajillion dollars. It seems like at least so we're all
feeling the burn financially. Yet these guys are running around

(43:54):
in fancy livland eyelands getting a free pass to behave badly,
and there's evidence, and they're like, oh.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Shoot, I won't tell if you don't tell. I won't
tell if you don't tell.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
There's like every important person is pictured with Epstein.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Epstein was at.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson's children's wedding, by the way,
a birthday talking them.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Out of this.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Take those daughters and birthday parties. And this has nothing
to do with Eugenie and Beatrice. I take them out
of it. The daughters, they have nothing to do with it.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
They're innocent. But Fergie, Sarah Ferguson, I am mad at you.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yeah, Sarah Ferguson, and Andrew whatever his name is, Wittenbacher.
They invited a known pedophile to their underage daughter's birthday party.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah she was, I think, thank you, shame.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Right and shame Oh and she went to like the
white parties at Ditti's too, there's like, you know it's connection.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, yes, by the way, I can't wait to get
to that later in the show too. We have more
save it for these And I guess that's why that
gets me so mad, because I'm extra man, because like
your mom, Betty, Hi, Betty, we wish.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
You would call in.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
But she refuses itself too late. But with us in spirit,
she's having a nap.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
But regardless, she's right because we all, you know, we
all respect the royals. We want to think more.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
We want them to hold a higher and better life
and to hear that this is so down and dirty
and in the gutter, and that forty plus women are
like actively on Capitol Hill saying release the files.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
We are victims, and everyone's like, eh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
She doesn't seem that believable. I don't know who cares.
And there's much more to it at this point, So
I think Andrews should give an interview. It won't happen.
They already have to testify that history interview. He might
testify in front of and in line, get in line.
All of them have to testify in front of Congress.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
But like nobody will because there's no Congress in sessions
get away with it.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
That's true, that's true. Well, that might change her soon, hopefully,
God willing, right, true, God willing, Well, it might be
any day now, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I hope it should be.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
Well.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Listen, stick around because at the top of the hour
we have that this is really something to look into.
There are more executions this year than any year since
twenty twelve. But the reasons behind it, yeah, they might
be surprising. We are also going to be talking about
Diddy and his alleged prison ooch.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
We'll give us a call eight a eighty.

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would like to get right into a Michael Proctor update.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Body, let's go Courtney.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Every time somebody says Michael Proctor's name, I feel like
I need to sing like that Miley Cyrus song. I
came in like a recking mom because he is just spreading,
do you know what I mean? Like, yes, yes, Okay,
this is what's going on you guys. So former Massachusetts
State Police detective Michael Proctor, his phone records and all

(47:55):
his misconduct that he did in the Karen Reid case
are now under review, possibly affecting up to nineteen additional
Norfolk County murder cases period the end.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
So this this is like a this is like a
really bad ripple effect, right, I mean we talk about
the ripple eflect a lot. And if you think about
like the ripple effect we've talked about with Brian Koberger
and what he did. You know, he murdered for college
students in the ripple effect was felt bout the town,
the family. Yes, this is a cop investigating the death
of John O'Keefe.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Right.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Karen Reid was charged and he did misconduct after misconduct
after misconduct, and this phone, this phone that you know,
has all this information, it's going to affect possibly nineteen cases.
Talk about a ripple effect, oh my.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
God, Well it's really more tsunami oh than ripple because
each one of these cases, each one of these has perpetrators,
you know, or the ques perpetrators, each some of them
has victims and victims' families, defense and prosecution attorneys, and
everything needs to be looked at because you know, as

(49:10):
you said, his impropriety was off the charts. He was
summarity summarily let go and then this is when the
word came up, had the temerity to then try and get.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
His job back. It was a no again.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
But yeah, and here we are, so what information do
we have. Well, it's just as a recap.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
So he was fired in March of this year, twenty
twenty five over his handling of this Karen Reid case.
In the investigation in which Karen Reid was charged in
the death of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keeffe,
but ultimately she was acquitted of the most serious charges,
and Proctor's investigative practices, including sending vulgar and misogynistic texts

(49:55):
about Karen Reid have drawn legal scrutiny and prompted reviews
of other cases he investigated. So this is the reason
of the tsunami that we're talking about. And I think
largely I could argue that Proctor was one of the main,
one of the main reasons she got acquitted because of
his you know, investigation, how crappy it was and his

(50:19):
behavior to Karen Reid was possibly one of the reasons
she got acquitted.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Well, I absolutely agree, because it called into question and
I'm moving way way past this is a bad guy,
but it called into question the veracity of the investigation
and also the motive behind his.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Personal It felt like a personal.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Vendetta because you know, his communications were personal to be accused.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
And that's what the defense basically kind of proposed, right
that there was some sort of you know, personal attack
on Karen Reid. And anyway, you guys all know what
happened Karen Reid. That is in the rear view mirror.
But this whiplasher that we're experiencing now is current. So
the phone records from the former detective Michael Proctor, including

(51:10):
deleted and recovered data are under protective order and have
been made available to defense attorneys. The Norfolk District Attorney's
Office reviewed the federal investigation into Karen Reid's case and
disclosed material as required by law. On October thirtieth. The

(51:31):
ruling in the Brian Walsh case identified eighteen additional Norfolk
County cases potentially impacted by Proctor's misconduct. Now, let's unpack
that for a second. So, Brian Walsh stands accused of
dismembering his wife and depositing her body in dumpster throughout
the city.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Right, and he was.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
He's in jail now, and he basically was getting like
this mental evaluation in to cefi's competent to stand trial. Well,
when they were looking at this the communications because oh,
Michael Procter was the investigator in this case, Brian Walsh case,
And when they were looking at Proctor's phone in relation

(52:16):
to the Brian Walsh case, they identified eighteen additional County
cases potentially impacted, Like, oh, my gosh, including Brian Walsh.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Obviously.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
I mean the the Brian Walsh case, in the Animalsh
case is something that we've talked about a couple of
times so far. So you know, this is a highly
very disappointing for us. The oldest impacted case involves Cornell
Bell and this person was arrested in twenty seventeen for
a deadly stabbing and sentenced to life in prison five
years later. In twenty twenty two, the judge ordered the

(52:50):
US Attorney's office to maintain a complete copy of the
confidential Procter materials. Proctor's misogynistic texts were reviewed or I'm
sorry revealed during Karen Reid's first trial. This is when
we learned about all the inappropriate things that he was
saying about Karen Reid to like his buddies, you know,
his his pals. You know, he said some pretty disgusting,

(53:12):
disgusting things. Well, that ended in a hung jury and
he did not testify at that. He did not testify
at her retrial, Okay, but he did testify at the
one that she got the hung jury in, but he
did not test They were like, no, we don't want
to understand.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Right, made that mistake once and that was enough, right, Right.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
So it remains unclear like what specific evidence from Proctor's
devices may influence any of these cases moving forward, but
it is a cautionary tale of you know, the things
that these investigators are saying on their on their cell
phones to other people could affect the case. So if
you're listening and you're a cop, be careful.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Well, one thing that makes me happy in what you said.
And you may think that is an odd word to use,
but just that this investigation is being done, that things
are being brought to the light, that you know, the
Norfolk Das have been able to review all of this stuff,
all of the information that it's been handsed over. So

(54:16):
if nothing else, the correct information is being looked at.
This is True Crime tonight and we're on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney,
I'm here with Body. I'm here with Stephanie and Taha
and Sam and Adam in the control room and we've
been talking about Michael Proctor and the nineteen cases that

(54:37):
may now be called into question because of his impropriety.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
Oh god, I imagine being a family member of a
victim in local Proctor worked on your case ten years ago,
and now the guy that killed your father or something
is like, oh, I just it's so irritating.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
I'm very upset.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Absolutely, it's incredibly upsetting. Again, there are so many multiple
lives that will be upended because of this man.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Now in it.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
You know, it is also possible on the flip side
of things that, you know, maybe he puts somebody away
that's innocent, right, correct, man, correct?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. I was just
kind of you don't know.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Well, listen, if you're as fired up as body doesn't
want to get it off your chest, give us a call.
We're here for it eight at eight three one crime.
So let us go to a talk back.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
What do you think? Sure, let's do it.

Speaker 10 (55:35):
Pay True Crime Team. I just wanted to let you know.
The other day I was on discord with a group
of all men, and there was one teenager who started
talking about not being able to get girls and started
to use some insult terminology, and every person on the
call jumped in and you know, told him that not

(55:57):
to worry. He's still young, and you know, if you
can sell girls will want to be with him. And
his burbage totally changed, and he left the call super optimistic,
and it was so nice to see everyone on the
call encouraging him and discouraging in cell talk. So I

(56:19):
thought I would share that with you for some good
news look for to listening to you next five.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Wow, that's that's surprising, like because normally like a little kid, wow,
little kid, but a teenage boy might dig their heels
in against the forty figures of some kind, right, But
it sounds like he took this like, you know, oh, okay,
that's gosh, it's so great.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I'm so glad all that.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Okay, I'm so grateful you shared that because as we've
talked about, you know, producing producing in cells, this series
that we've been working on, it's been so heavy and
what you hit on is so exactly right. The first
thing you said is when you know people joined in,

(57:03):
and it sounded like that kid was heard. He needed
to be heard first of all, to hear the wonderful
things that you guys jumped in and said. So you know,
the communication part of it all is so great, and
actually having a back and forth is what so many
of us really need, just to be seen and validating

(57:24):
it heard.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
And you know he maybe, you know, he maybe this
kid you know talks to is maybe doesn't want to
talk to mom and dad about this because like I
remember when I was a little when I was a teenager,
there was this guy that I had this big brush
on and and he knew it and he liked me too,
but he also liked this other girl, and he had
to make a decision, okay, and he picked the other girl.

(57:46):
And I remember like crying in my room, and I
really wanted to tell my mom. I was like probably fourteen,
and but I didn't want her to be like ashamed
of me, like I wasn't chosen.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Yes, And so I wonder if you know, kids, I'm
sure all kids probably feel that way.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
You don't, you're embarrassed, you don't.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
You don't want your mom to know you're not the
most popular kid in school, right, Oh.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
To think, I mean to use the language of what
I felt in middle school.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Didn't think I'm a loser sometimes, you know, that's right.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
And so maybe this kid in particular didn't, you know,
is you know, doesn't want to talk to mom or
dad about it, but talking to fellow gamers, you know,
somebody he doesn't have to face, he doesn't have to
wake up in the morning too. So I'm so glad
that you guys were there for him. So yeah, and actually, in.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
In cells, I'm not sure if it's going to be
next week or the week after. But we have an
interview with this woman and she is a sports therapist,
and so she intersects in a lot of lives of
young men and a lot of what she is saying
is so many of them they have no one to
talk to or to your point, body, they don't want

(59:03):
to speak to their mothers for whatever the reason, and
they may have this vitriolic thoughts in their head and
a lot of times it just needs to blow off
steam and say to someone trusted or as a gamer,
you know, respected because there's some kind of respect in
that and just hey, here's my situation. Anyway, we really
thank you for that. That was such great news.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Yeah, it's good news. I'm so glad to hear that.
We like those kind of talk well, we like all
the talkbacks, but we like those kind of talks backs
where it's like, you know, actionable things are moving in
a positive direction.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
So totally talk about perfect Hi.

Speaker 11 (59:36):
Hi, this is Marissa from Maryland. I had a quick
question about the perfect neighbor. She mentioned that she was
doctor Lawrence. Do we know what she was a doctor
of question mark?

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Oh, thank you to touch that I didn't actually touch that.
Does anybody know, because I certainly don't.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Is she I totally caught that, and I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
I know I noticed it absolutely when she said it,
because it just made her sound. I thought she was
there in her house clothes and trying to sound a
little bigger than But no, I don't know what she
was a doctor of. But I would love to look
into that, and actually we'll get back to you within
the show because I'm so curious.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Yeah, I did recall that when I watched the Doctor,
she did say that at one point or one of
the police officers I think referred to her that as
a doctor early on, or is that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
He might have.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
I don't remember that, but she definitely referred to herself
as doctor Lawrence. Okay, so in any case, we will
we will answer that. But oh, there was actually one
more thing I forgot, and I apologize.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
For being a.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Scattered is the way I'm looking for. But one more
thing on the Glaine Maxwell for a hot minute, here's
one piece of in form that didn't come up. This
is about a whistle blower talking about her preferential treatment
in the prison she's in. So Jamie Raskin, who's representative Maryland,

(01:01:12):
publicly condemned Maxwell's elevated treatment and warned that staff who
blow the whistle are being punished or retaliated again, So
that's the allegation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
This is really big.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yes, and Raskin also raised concerns about potential retaliation against
other inmates who speak to the press about Maxwell's condition.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
Wow, so I'm trying to keep everybody quiet about everything
that's involved with her.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
That's right, That's right. So saying I just want to
make sure I understand this. He is saying that they
already are okay, there's two things. They already are receiving retaliation,
but he's also worried about inmates that may talk.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
That's exactly correct. So exactly right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Oh my gosh, what kind of retaliation I wonder early facing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
I mean, this will definitely keep unfolding, and you know,
we'll keep everyone up to date as always and keep
it here because after the break we are finally going
to get into the actual recipe of Shan Didy Combs
is homemade Hoochin prison allegedly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I got my notpad that more True Crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Welcome back to True crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
Courtney Armstrong and my body move in, and of course
we have Taha, Sam and Adam also in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
So listen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Speaking of preferential treatment, because you know what you just
landed on Courtney with Gilaine Maxwell is pretty staggering. The
idea that somebody behind bars who is getting allegedly preferential
treatment like she apparently is according to said whistle blower,
and that others that may complain or come out with

(01:03:13):
similar complaints are getting you know, in trouble or getting
you know, in my head, they're getting beaten up, right,
Like that isn't that what happens in prison? Stitches get stitches,
So if you speak up, you get, you know, somehow,
you get in trouble yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Is that the implication? Well, you know what I would have.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
I sound so surprised because that makes total perfect sense,
But I'm picturing this low security female prison so differently.
My thought of retaliation, I'm not kidding, was like, uh,
you know, nomac and cheese or I don't know, but
that's a big, very off base.

Speaker 9 (01:03:54):
Like that's a really big deal in print if your
days Yeah exactly, body.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Yeah, so retaliation could be literally you're you know, you're
not getting the special food. You know, that could be
one hundred percent punishment for somebody that's whistle blowing in
prison and inmates so to speak.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
You know, I mean, you know you're not going where.
You don't get to go for the walk outs yet. Yeah,
you don't get fresh air that you're in the hole.
You don't get to go to the yard. The idea
that Gieley Maxwell this is shocking to me. I don't
know why it's bothering me so much as I search for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
My weighted vest on this funday as we speak, when
to put it on the fact that she is going
and working out after hours with like a special trainer
makes me crazy, And I don't we we are literally
wearing weighted vests while we are on the show because
there's no time in the day. Raise your hand if
you're listening and you feel as though there is not

(01:04:51):
enough time in your busy day to get some exercise in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Raise your hand.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
If you are listening right now and you think it
is really hard to have to make make a perfect
meal and wouldn't you like it to have a deliver
to you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Oh, oh, raise your hand.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
If you have had a hard, long day and you
are struggling because your rights have been you know, your
money's been furloughed, the government's shut down, you're stuck at
the airport. How about the fact that you would love
to play with some puppies and maybe have access to
some furry animals to ease any of your tension. How

(01:05:27):
was it humanly possible that Geelay Maxwell, who has raised
her hand not to help other women, not to help
other young girls in the face of being sexually assaulted
by powerful men. The idea that she was teeing them up,
literally teeing them up grooming. Yes, but Liz, imagine another

(01:05:49):
woman is like literally setting you up to a stage
because that's the stick. Oh, there's another woman there. It
can't be that bad. Oh, there's another woman there, so
this must be legit. She's the right so knowingly literally
knowingly that she is sucking in young girls, any girl
of any age. It could be old women. It could
be me and sucking them in and be like, oh no, girl,

(01:06:11):
it's cool, don't worry. Their nice, it's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
This is what we do. Totally.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
It's not normal, it's totally fine. We'll do and it
escalates and then it escalates. Yeah, exactly, you'll get paid.
This is whatever everybody does it. And another woman giving
you that cue somehow could really make that feel okay
in the moment if you don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Better and you're not trained.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
It's so gross. It's almost grosser than the actual offense.
Because I think women should look out for each I agree,
and like the fact that this one didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Whenever I get an uber and it's a woman, I'm like, Okay,
it's good, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Like, and that's just exactly of this.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
You know, obviously funny you say that, but you know
this is what it is like on its face. You know,
you trust other women that they're not gonna if there's
like a creditor, or they're not going to put me
in harm's way. And you know she's older, she's exactly,
she's dressed well, she's stylish, she has money. Of course,
teenagers are going to be like, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
She's bugs with royalty and presidents and people of like,
she's influence, she's exactly, you know, all the things. She's
a devil, because you know, you might get a bad
feeling if you're a young woman going into a nefarious situation.
Maybe maybe you're a young woman who goes into a

(01:07:34):
situation and you're like, I get a bad feeling, and
it's rare to be like I get a bid feeling,
and I'm outy, and I'm gonna put my foot down
and I'm gonna run. They don't have that option. They're
on like an island.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
There's a passport required, there's a helicopter required.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
By the way, Giley Maxwell allegedly is the one flying
the helicopters. The girl's up and then she flies the helicopter.
She's the pilot. She pilized them to this island. Hand
to God. Yeah the Bible. Yeah, she flies them to
the island. She's a pilot. She's the pilot, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
That's according to Lisa Bryant, who did the docks on
both on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
That was a real big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Imagine, So you had this cool, like really like connected
woman who's beautiful and she's like, get it on in girls,
this is going to be great. And then you're like, okay, great,
well we're going to be cool. It's just like an
adult woman taking us to this like very fancy island.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Sounds exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yeah, it sounds exciting until you can't get off of it.
And now you're being passed around like trash to highly
influential people. And even moreover, those highly influential people are
being honey potted allegedly into making big decisions because there's
now evidence against them of doing bad things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Yeah, big, yeah, Now that's the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Are we feeling prepared to hop from one prison to
the net and anyone out there, if you want to
take that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Leap with us, give us a call eighty and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Three one crime because we hey, froggy leap frogging.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Absolutely, we are. Okay, goodness, we are. We're going over okay.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Sean Diddy Combs, so his team is denying reports that
he was caught making homemade alcohol in prison, and this
is so shortly after his transfer to his new prison,
and he is at Fort Dix, So of course, Holmes,
he's fifty six years old. Actually, yeah, he turned fifty

(01:09:44):
six on November fourth, Because I share a birthday, did
he Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
I do do, yes, I do. I forgot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
I can't believe I forgot to mention it your births.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
I know, like the best thing that happened to Ditty
was well, I.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
Know for next year, I'm going to get us some
data oil for your birthday. Yes, in prison, Yes, he
was having the toilet cocktail and you were having the flu.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
So Diddy was initially held at the Metropolitan Detention Center
in Brooklyn, and we have talked about the fact that
that place is it is no joke, right, that is
a prison. That prison allegedly has issues. However, those are
no longer of Ditty's concerns because now he is transferred

(01:10:41):
and he is at the low security Fort Dix Prison
in New Jersey, allegedly for better access to drug rehabilitation programs.
The irony here, So it's a.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Problem if it's true, right, I mean, if this is true,
this is a problem absolutely, or one would.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Already clean and sober, which is why he got this
beautiful transfer. Yeah, he said he's been so that the
acclamation that he was already sober.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
You're one hundred percent, right, yes, Stephanie, yeah, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
And the pastor and the you know, Joe, the neighbor.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
So this is a report out of TMZ that Shaunda
de Combs allegedly drank a homemade alcohol concoction made with
Brace Yourselves, Fanta sugar and apples that had fermented for
two weeks. So prison officials reportedly considered moving him to

(01:11:37):
a different unit after the incident, but they decided against it,
which I'm curious what went into that decision.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
Well, maybe maybe they investigated it and found it wasn't true.
Maybe his defense lawyers are right, maybe this is just
a rumor that you know, spread and made it to
prison officials.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
They investigated it and said, oh no, there's no finding.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
Possibly or it could very well be because they decided
not to.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Well, that could be true, but let's look on the
positive side of things. Let's try let's try some positivity
in the environment. He's having his appeal. The oral arguments
are scheduled to happen in April. That's only what six
months from now. If he's caught drinking in I mean,
remember the Menendez brothers for parole. They have cell phone

(01:12:31):
and they were like, you don't you're not following the rules.
You have a problem following the rules. So we're not
going to put you into society where there's a lot
of rules because you're you don't like to follow them. Well,
the same could be said if this is true. If
this is true about Diddy, and he'll lose that appeal,
this is a big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
But to that end, though, I'm just going to go
just go with me for one second. Here, is it
possible than.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
In the Menendez In the Menendez case, because if anyone's
playing a lot, the Menendez brothers were up for parole,
it was seeming very positive under a certain jurisdiction, and
then that certain jurisdiction that DA lost and was replaced
by another. And it seemed as though in the eleventh
hour when they had to go for appeal, despite the

(01:13:17):
new information and the new evidence that had been brought forward,
they kind of got hosed on a technicality. They were like, oh,
you have a prison burner phone.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Ps. Everybody has a prison burner phone. I feel like
lots of it. It's a rampant thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
It's also pretty rampant that when you go into a
new jail or prison sometimes there's like bootleg booze.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Apparently I only hear these stories. This is not, you know,
an iroutine aficionado thing. Yeah, but Courtney, you've heard this.
We've all heard this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, there's some sort of a bootleg booze toast that happens.
And you know that either could be that's kind of
customary and everybody looks the other way, or if you're
feel a little like, hey I have a technicality I
could catch you on, then they could bring it up right,
So it's like kind of decide it's it's kind of

(01:14:09):
the decision is based on who's who's reading the narrative
at that point. The Menendez brothers, we know, got host.
Whether you believe it or not, I actually think it
was worked out the way it was supposed to. However,
the media and everybody give the Menendez a lot of
false hope that there were guys were going to get
out because it was like, yeah, those guys are walking
in a minute. No, No, they didn't walk in a

(01:14:30):
minute at all. Now I feel for them because now
they're remember even close.

Speaker 5 (01:14:36):
Stephanie, Remember a year ago we were like they're going
to be home by Thanksgiving. Remember right now it's coming right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yeah, Yes, this was the big moment because there was
an election happening.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Geste Gaston Gastone, who was the then mayor of Los
Angeles was running for a re election. It was like
a hot ticket to say I'm going to get them
NDE's brothers free because they had some documentary made about them.
It seemed interesting and controversial. And you know what, that
guy lost the election and the new guy was like, yeah,

(01:15:12):
I think they had a burner phone. And despite the
new evidence, they should stay behind bars forever.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
It's a matter of opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
The judge calls it in on the ditty front, it's
like either much ado about nothing or it's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
A big deal. It's a big deal just because minutes
ago he was touting how sober he was and how
he's a changed man.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Absolutely, and for you know, for whatever it is worth
and body, if you're I like your Sally Sunshine attitudes,
I'm not trying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
It's actually yeah, you're very trying. Digging it me too,
believe it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
So did he spokesperson has firmly denied the claim, saying
he has not violated any prison rules and is in
fact focusing on the sobriety is focusing on the self discipline,
and a statement that was posted to Diddy's official X
account labeled the alcohol report quote completely false and once

(01:16:12):
again emphasized this, oh so much personal growth and uh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
You know what what I would love to see did
he do?

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Go ahead, body, No, it's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
I was going to say the fact that the spokesperson
denied the claims by saying he quote unquote has not
violated any prison rules just goes to show how important
that is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
So when this appeal is being prepared, obviously they're going
to focus on the trial, right, but they're going to
look at his behavior as well. I mean they're gonna
look at his behavior and even when he gets when
before he gets released on parole, they're going to be like, well,
you know you had who's the first week you were
in prison?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
The first week that's going to be a problem. So
it's interesting he's going to say I had fermented orange.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Is they're just he's just going to say it was
fanta in oranges after a week being fer men?

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Did he had no idea?

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
That's not you know, it's not a Tangaret and Tonic exactly,
it's not a margarita on the rocks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
You know, that's what he's going to say.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
What I would like Diddy to do as a man
having because we all witnessed him beating his you know
then girlfriend to the ground. Take accountability, I don't really
genuinely take accountability.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
I'm ready to do the time for the crime I committed. Period.
Yeah I think do you think that? Watch point. I'm
trying not to say it. I'm trying to let it out,
but like a man let it out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
It's like a man who steps up and takes accountability
and is like, I'm going to do the time and
come out better for it. And I'm where I'm supposed
to be right now and for the betterment of my family,
I'm going to get it straight. But this guy is
just another victim every step of the way, well from
your lips to Diddy's ear and everyone else. Keep it

(01:18:02):
here on True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
After the commercial, we are going to be hearing from you,
and we want much more of that because tomorrow is
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Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time, and man, we're talking about
some doozy tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
So thank you for bearing with us. Jump and join us.
Eight eight eight three one crime.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
If you have anything to discuss in this, you know,
we're talking a lot about trafficking tonight and again missing children, trafficking.
These are heavy things, and of course Diddy Diddy, what
do we think about this Diddy thing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Here's the problem that I have with Diddy as well.
I love Diddy. I was a Diddy fan. I was
like a super Diddy fan, and I watched every episode
of every show he ever did. I loved making the band.
I watched the band. I was like a fan of
the Danity Kane.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I even thought like behind the scenes he was giving
them tough knocks and they had it come.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
And like I was on board. I was on board
with all of the music producing. I was on board
with Biggie, I was on board with Ditty. So when
you hear me get like crazed about what's going on
with him, it's mostly just because I feel a little fooled.
I for sure would have gone a party at the
White Party, you know, Like it's not because he like

(01:19:32):
read wrong, he read awesome right.

Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
Still love his music, and I struggle with that with
any artists that like I had that issue with, like
Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson and even no gifts and
like people who like it's in trouble, but I'm a
fan of their work. Like I still have a hard
time kind of I don't know, compartmentalizing and saying like, Okay,
they're they're talented in this respect, but they've done something awful.

(01:19:57):
But I like Ditty's music.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
I know it's it is super conflicting. I definitely feel
that feel that pain for sure, like his entrepreneurship. Oh,
I did want to circle back, so thank you for
the talk back about the perfect neighbor, because I remember
exactly what she said. It's doctor Lorenz. So in fact,
she was she referred to herself and was not referred

(01:20:24):
to But indeed she is not a doctor. She is
not a like for a fact, she is not a
licensed medical doctor. She did work as an EMT paramedic
quite a long time ago, when she was around twenty
years ago. She also, I believe, worked as a cook
in some things, and nothing that we've seen illustrates that

(01:20:48):
she has any other sort of advanced degree. In fact,
all evidence points to the contrary.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Son. That is to answer your question, but I'm so
glad you asked.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
I'm just so glad that you did that, because that's
I'm hearing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
What look, how cute your hair is right now, buddy again,
in the last like ten seconds, she's had like five
different hairstyles. Now it's in a cute little upbun. Courtney
has brought her hair down.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I wish you could see these girls because they have
the sickest, most beautiful hair. It's like looking at the
little mermaids, both of them with the long, luxurious hair.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
With my dream hair. Frankly, I took it down and
it looks like.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
It's it's like, it's awesome, Tina Turner, though she rest
in peace, It's like, it looks so good. It's out
and it looks awesome. It's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
So speaking of like the Diddy thing too like and
getting like roped into something that you know, it's hard
to reconcile, as Tahaw was saying, so Diddy, I'm confused
by it. I can't get that video out of my
head at the Intercontinental Hotel where he beat up his
girlfriend and threw her to the ground like she was
trash while he held a towel with one hand and
proceeded to pay off the security team one hundred grand

(01:22:02):
to make that video go away. Just the tip of
the iceberg. That's what I'm promising you. That was the
tip of the iceberg. And I don't get the sense
that did. He's taking a ton of real responsibility. It's
always victim, victim. It's so bad, it's so hard. If
he had been arrested on state charges for those activities,

(01:22:23):
if we put the racketeering and all of that aside,
if he was actually arrested for beating up the people
and abusing those in his inner circle, likely the sentence
would have been roughly around fifty months, right, Is that accurate?

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Do we think probably a little less would maybe a
little higher. I think, oh you think a little less.
I thought it'll maybe a little higher. I think I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
I guess nobody realects women. It's so true, so you know,
I think it's like it's working out in the wash.
I just think, did he need to take a little
responsibility and own it and be like, I'm going to
do this.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Time, I'm going to come back great, I'm paying attention.
It's always like no, but Stephanie, what do you mean
he is so great?

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Didn't you see that video that was played at trial
that reminded me of every video that the Boys and
Girls Club. It was that aspirational of people like cheering
in the streets and children hugging him and tears about
how great he is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
I mean that his sentencing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Yeah, you know, you bring up another good point, Courtney,
because again power and influence. You think everybody who's standing trial,
you know, any inmates currently serving time behind bars listening
right now, would agree that nobody gets to play a
little celebration video about their greatness prior to sentencing. It
just doesn't happen. You don't get to just like say, hey,

(01:23:49):
I know there's like a prosecution and a defense and
there's closing arguments. I'm not going to take the stand,
but I've put together a special video and in this
special video, you're going to see how great I am.
And that's going to speak for itself. Can you imagine
the nerve that alone says it all?

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Check my real I.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
Never liked it Diddy, And you know, like I thought
Diddy had a lot more to do with Tubax murder
than you know people talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I know I was again I didn't. I was like
pro Diddy in this hole and I was.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
West Coast Coast Gang anyway, Like, I really thought he
had more to do with tubox murder. And I thought
like when this trial started that we would learn something like, Okay,
so keffy D is in Las Vegas and his trial
begins in February.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
By the way, January, I thought it was Anyuary because
we covered this night one of this show. Did we
should look into it? But the first night of True
Crime tonight we.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Talked about that because he's the one that was arrested
because he was like acting crazy at mar A Lago
and shooting at the ceiling while wrapped in an American flag.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
D was no.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
Kefy D's the guy that was in the car with
the guy who pulled the trigger on Tupac Kevy d
Oh forgive me?

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Yeah, wait, so that's in February. Yes, it's in February.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
But I thought like we would learn something about the
murder while this Rico trial was happening, and we would
get some information. So my whole point in telling all
this was that I was I wasn't really never a
Ditty fan.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Well to that end, though, you're right, because if that's
happening in February.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
I think in January. If I'm not mistaken, a lesson's
been moved. The guy, I know what you're talking about.
He was like he showed up in mar A Lago
acting crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
He was like shooting at the ceiling. He was like
wrapped in an American flag.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I'm like not making glib of this, but it was
a real scene and he basically at that time was arrested,
brought into custody, and while being questioned by authorities, his spiel,
which we can all watch because it was recorded, was
that he was a former sex slave of ditties, right,
and that he has all this secret information. And it

(01:26:10):
sounded like he was talking about a Martian on the moon,
only to find out a year later or so that wow,
this is all tracking. Did he had sex slaves? It
sounded preposterous. It was like, there's no way this is true.
His trial is coming up in January?

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Is that the one that's in January early.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
February, So like there's a lot of Diddy stuff coming up.
It's the name is Jonathan Audi. I believe it's pronounced odd. Yeah,
that's right, that's right. And he in fact, he's currently
incarcerated in Miami, I believe. And yeah, so that that
is the name of the guy, and it did. It sounded,
it sounded lunatic, and yet it all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Came to bear. So yeah, he he was masked.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
He walked into the National Dooral Miami Hotel and Resort.
He fired his pistol a bunch of times into the ceiling,
draped that flag just said, over the front desk, and
was breaking computers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Yeah, so it was a whole whole thing.

Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
Well maybe it was a maybe it was a mental
breakdown from being a sex well, and he described how
he had been hired.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
He said this two police officers during interrogation that he
had been hired by did he to have sex with Cassie?
And those claims at the time were met with shock
and dis and that actually happened. There was testimony that this,
you know, did he hire these mess freaks?

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
I mean he gave the detail as Wow, this guy
really gave up every detail that, yeah, did he sitting
in a corner masturbating while giving instructions baby.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
All that candle. But all the time at the time
we were like stop it, okay, but now he will
having a mental break right, Yeah, he was like delusional
and by the way, I think he was also like
wrapped in a straight tracket and tossed away as a
delusional person.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Honestly, we all like were like, this guy, this guy's
been through it. And sure enough, all of those things
ended up being accurate to some extent, whether it was
true for him. But you know, we know for a
fact there was baby oil involved in repeat customers and
air quotes, sex slaves, and Did he was performative and
you know, directing in the corner while holding a videotape.

(01:28:34):
We heard about the hotel nights and the freak offs.
I mean, this is a very real thing. We also
heard that Did he was basically blackmailing any of the
people who participated in these tapes, his love passie as well,
saying that he'll release these tapes if they came forward.
And he was paying off everybody at every corner to

(01:28:57):
make sure that nobody talked and his image was never tarnished.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
That's the problem, and that's the scenario that's you know,
that's the only piece of this that is similar to
Epstein and Gilain Maxwell. It's like the idea that you're blackmailing.
Oh well, how was a person supposed to get connection.
There's another connection.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
This guy that you're talking about shows up at mar
A Lago and loses it right well, Epstein recruited.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
From mar A Lago. There's a collection.

Speaker 7 (01:29:28):
Dun, dun.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
I mean I'm drawing a question. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
And by the way, like these are I don't know,
like it just seems like it's happening in plain sight.
And these were open secrets that were open secrets that
nobody seemed to really care about. And I think that
says more about you know, just like the displacement of
victims and how easy it is to become one so
good that we're talking about it because you know, hopefully

(01:29:56):
nobody falls for these tricks again. And by the way,
getting drugged, people being roofed, you know, taking a cocktail
and suddenly you're feeling woozy and then you wake up
and you realize.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Something bad has happened. And oh wait, it's on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Oh wait, someone's threatening to tell your mom or get
her fired from her job. These are all the things
that we're hearing. So what is a person to do
when at every bend, top dollar will prevent the truth
from being told. I'm going to pray that Speaker of
the House Mike Johnson is in fact going to swear

(01:30:32):
in our beautiful congresswoman who is going to be the
final vote to allow the Epstein files to be released,
and we will have some clarity and maybe some solutions
as to how to prevent this from happening again.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
That is my wish, And I'm going to pray that
they don't find some legal loophole, which I'm predicting they're
going to do to prevent the list from being released.
I'm going to pray that they don't find this loophole.
So that's what I just I just feel like at
this know, there's just so many things that are happening
and that we can see with our own eyes happening,
and these guys just keep getting away with it, never

(01:31:06):
paying the price. Yes, day after day after day after day,
and now Glee mats will rules and I'm right about it,
Like she's not paying a price, she's just having a.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Grand le's getting takeout, she's getting visitors every day she
has she has her own computer and a puppy, she
has her own butler, the warden. I know I have
there's ending. I hate it's printing and faxing and to
have you know, a warden.

Speaker 5 (01:31:33):
Oh my god, do you guys remember wanting to do that?
And I remember getting them in that thermal paper and
it would roll and roll, And can I tell you something.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
I know we are at the you know, in the
in the middle or beginning of AI, and we have
satellites that may be going to Mars and Jupiter and
all of the above. I literally today cannot wrap my
brain around the technology of a fax.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
It breaks my mind to think about it that over
It does seem like there's a yeah, there's like a
how does the paper connect?

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
You know what?

Speaker 7 (01:32:11):
You were.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Sad?

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
It's the same thing as you and I are looking
at each other right now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Well, I like not to think so hard about that
either that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
I just mean like transmitting an image over the airwaves,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Like it's the same, it's the same.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
Time, and it's all mind blowing, it is, my Well,
listen when that pretty mind blowing, You're you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
I'm trying to put myself back and it was the worst.

Speaker 5 (01:32:43):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Remember you had to like put it face down, and
like remember the publis because like you had to face
down and scan stands and never have the actual phone number,
right I was at.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
And the cover time and all the news it was
so I would I would sweating bullets because all the
machines were different. Sometimes you present nine, sometimes you won.
And my job as the intern temp was to facts
and facts and facts. And maybe that's why it's this
mythical creature because it was.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
So horrible for me. And you had to have the
cover sheet the facts through. Yeah, that's right, the cover sheet.
Did you include the pages? Did that the cover sheet?

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
I had that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
I had a custom facts cover sheet that I made
myself and it said pages including cover sheet two, three whatever.
I always included the cover sheet on my pages because
it was on the receipts that part and I would
stayble together and give to my boss.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Got the resits? Yeah, man, do you guys? I want
to crack.

Speaker 7 (01:33:43):
But by the way, I buried the lead I made
the prime rib today.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
This is what I should have started the show. And
by the way, it was awesome. We're gonna have to
hear about it tomorrow. But shout out to the greatest
recipe of all time, Crockpot for Life Prime. We will
be back tomorrow. We're talk back Tuesday, so if you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Have any more, please keep them coming. Thank you for
joining us tonight. This is true crime tonight. We will
see you tomorrow, or at least hear you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
Stay safe,