May 11, 2023 • 39 mins
Devin and Carolina discuss their recent and deeply disturbing ventures into the dating app world - prompts and opening lines and the deep desire to have Andrew Garfield just show up at one’s door. Then, they dive into this week’s episode of Vanderpump Rules aka True Detective Season 4 aka Ken Vanderpump’s comeback aka the moment Ariana starts to wonder and Tom proves himself to be the worst liar on planet earth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh hello, and welcome to true romance.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Carolina and this is Devin. I guess no
last names today, I guess the last name. She's pursuing
a pop career, just like Robin. Devin and I are
both single, were both on the apps. We're both trying
to figure out our medication.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We both DM Ronald from Dirry Duty or was that
just me? Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
That was actually just you? But you know what's so funny,
and we'll jump into this. I am in Atlanta, traveling
the world, just going to Atlanta maybe Arkansas for memorial
to see my grandmother and her fourteen cats. But by
the Jealous told me that I can't stay at her
house because of that, which I, jealous totally understood. I
(01:02):
was like, oh wow, maybe this is where I got
reclusive behavior from the fact that my grandmother, when I
asked if I could come for Thanksgiving, said yeah, but
where will you stay?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And I was like, ice cold. She's ice cold. So, I,
being in a new city, thought what healthy habits I'm
going to start now? And two of those one was
go on riyah and the second one was go on hinge.
Because I need to take control of my dating life
(01:32):
and stop expecting Andrew Garfield to walk through my front
door say come with me. Here is a wedding gown
in a dry cleaning bag. Put it on and we'll
go get married. And we don't have to get to
know each other because I'll just be your husband. But
didn't he say like, come with me, Come wait mate,
we'll go get married that big Ben.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Isn't that his accent?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That is exactly what he sounds like. And we've always
been good at imitations. And Tevin and I are launch
her acting careers summer twenty twenty four. So I am
on Riah and Whitney famously from Southern Charm. Stop no
I saw when I saw him on Southern Charm for
(02:15):
the first time, when Devin, you know, brought me into
the world of Southern Charm. Which was it a good thing?
Was it a bad thing? It doesn't matter. It's like,
you know, giving someone their first line of cocaine. You're
just like, be careful with this, but have a good
time as well. So Devin gives me the line of
Southern Charm, I snorted. I see Whitney, and the first
(02:35):
thing I say is that is a man who looks
like the people I see on Riyah like kind of
obviously not living well, but also thinks he's like a
twenty five year old rocker and really just like lives
with his mom in southern cal I mean in South Carolina.
So but I was like, you know what I want
to see if we match, Like I am, this is
(02:56):
a social experiment. At this point, I've met two people
on apps in the past ten years. I am way
too nervous to meet the third person. This is really
just a first step, just dipping my toe in.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So I swipe right.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Next thing, you know, I see shep again. What do
you think I'm gonna do there? Obviously swipe right. I
have not heard I have not heard a peep nothing.
And that was also a social experiment. So I was like,
I think Whitney is disgusting, but you know he thinks
I'm disgusting too.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's the thing that stucks about Riah is like you
think about deleting it, You're like, this is a waste money.
Everyone on here is horrible, no one matches, and then
you see and Eric Andre, you see a failed a
passional football player, and you're like, okay, wait, but wait
a second, and then you want you think every day
you're like, today's gonna be the day I open that app?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Wait, is Nathan Fielder on there?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
My friend said that she saw him. He now has
a girlfriend, unfortunately, but my friend said that she saw
him and that they matched, but he didn't respond to
her text. Who knows, it might have been like a
fake these days, you never know our.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Mutual friend, which I don't know if she'll mind keeping
this in the pod, but I wouldn't mind if I
was her. But I said to her, like, but the
thing is like, you never actually match with celebrities, and
she's like, really I have a few times, and I
was like, all right, well fuck off.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well fuck off. She has naturally plump lips, and that
is something that has been hard for me and my
friendship with her. You know how the girl in the
rom com is like so typically hot, but she's still
like having dating problems and stuff. That's how I feel
being friends with my hot friends who have trouble dating,
Like I just feel like, wait, you're having problems. I know, day,
(04:33):
But how Devin has c's d's question mark.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
They are d's in fact, Oh my god. But this
is how I feel this is how I feel. It's
to call upon an old corn Twine segment where Jesse
Kenewski said, where are these male best friends who are
waiting to step in and say I've actually been in
love with you the whole time?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
That's how I feel today.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm like, hey, if anyone's out there who's secretly been like,
of course I'm in love with you, Devin, like this
whole time, I've been waiting and pining for you, step
right up. The door is open, The door is here,
goddamn open right here.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, Andrew Garfield to walk into my house, I will
go to Westminster, A Carolina.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh actually, I love need whole time.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh my god, dead on. I wanted to actually talk
about that because I've been seeing multiple beautiful women who
are friends with handsome men, and I thought, not for me.
I can't do that. If I was going out, like
just hanging out and going grabbing coffee, like like meeting
up with hot I would be like, oh, so when
(05:35):
are we having sex? This was a problem in high school. Actually,
I two handsome guy friends, like classically handsome, like hot
girls were pining after them who kept wanting to hang
out with me, and I was like, what is happening?
And I realized they just thought it was funny. But
I was like, no, no, no, no, I'm not here for that.
I'm not a little clown. I'm not going to dance
like a monkey for you. You have to give me something. Yeah,
(05:58):
and it has to be a pennis Yeah. Well, I'm
still friends to them to this day, and one of them,
I'm still waiting for him to like, I'm always like,
is he going to confess his love for me soon?
It's been bare long enough sixteen years and I'm still like,
so are you?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
We could hear a teenager by now, We.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Could absolutely have a teenager by now, and I just like,
it's past the point where I even have a crush
on this person if I use all of my brain,
but my ego and my like, uh, the side of
me it's not even like my body, it's more my
ego and the side of me that likes excitement and
drama is like, are you just going to one day
be say this is I've realized you've been in front
(06:42):
of me this entire time. Yeah, And I would probably
be like, sure, someone who's nice. I don't even care
about how this is good. The sex is at this
point in my life. I mean, I will, and I do.
But you know, when you're tired, when you've been burned,
you just want a warm body to land top of you.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Do I sound okay? Neither neither of us sounds okay.
Neither neither of us are okay. But as Lauren Conrad
says on the Hills, I've been burned by so many friends,
especially lately because I did decide to rejoin the apps.
And this is what I'll say, and I know I've
said this before. Two things that are insulting. One, when
(07:22):
someone on Hinge, you know, you have like the ability
like unhinged. More like unhinged, you have the ability to
comment on our podcast for today, you have the obited
comment on prompts. Yes, So it's insulting to me when
someone comments on the prompt as if like okay, and
we're dating basically like I put on mine that I'm
(07:46):
looking for something casual right now, which I like am
but also it's kind of like it's kind of like
a manipulative tactic.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
No, but it's also hot if a guy. I don't
even I'm turned off when guys say they're looking for
like monogamy or looking for a serious relationship.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Okay, so a man who I have not watched, a
man who I have not matched with comments on my
prompt lovely fuck buddies, but also, can I bring my
pjs and spend the night. Don't worry, I won't fall
for you in parentheses or anyone. Thanks exclamation point, exclamation point,
open face, smiling emoji.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
No, like are you?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Are you a murder?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The other thing that bothers me is people will do
that and be like, great, let's get drinks. It's like, no,
you have to ask me a question. I'm not gonna
like that. I think that's what bothers me. I'm like,
you're not even gonna ask, You're just gonna be like, great,
so we're doing this. It's like, no, we're not doing this.
I'm actually not interested in you at all, first of all.
Second of all, the other insulting thing is hey, hi,
(08:45):
hi Devin, Hey dev, you don't give me a question
or a sentence.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I deserve at least that much, you know. It's interesting.
What I'll say is apps have made it easy for men.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
They really have.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You do not need to muster the courage. But I mean,
like you don't. It's made it so easy. You can
do this from your couch, you can do this at work.
You can hit on a girl from your your you know,
the bedroom that you share with your wife, Like you
can do whatever you want from your phone, and yet
(09:21):
they still do the bare minimum the bear they don't.
I mean, listen, there's some you know, the rule doesnt
apply to anyone. There's some exceptions, but I have found
the same. I mean, we don't need to go over
men's terrible profiles, but i will say I'm in Atlanta
and I'm seeing a lot of moderate, a lot of conservative,
(09:45):
a lot of other other when the political I'm not
interested in that. I don't even know what that is.
And I'm scared that means all right, I'm just like
what the or it means, like I'm too smart for
political parties and that I know it's a nightmare. I
(10:07):
I'm skald. Yeah, And there's a lot of men telling
me how to live life just in their profile, like
you've got to be enthusiastic, people who are open minded,
and there's a few hints of passive aggression obviously, like
people who don't overreact in situations. I'm like Okay, I
(10:29):
don't care what you did your ex girlfriend, but you
need to you need to, you know, process that and
then come back yes, and then come back to me
and speak to me like a normal human being.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
People who don't overreact. I know it's so it's so upsetting,
but I so sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I also thought it would be funny on Hinge, and
now I feel like I'm gonna say this and then
people in the comments are going to be like, well,
you were asking for it and you never should have
done that. I thought it would be funny on Hinge
because they have a prompt that's like, guess this about me,
And I thought it would be funny to say my
weight because obviously I thought anyone with any common sense
would be like, oh my god, of course she's kidding,
(11:08):
Like a woman doesn't want someone to guess her weight,
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Now, a lot of people took it seriously and it
was really bad for my eating disorder and I had
to take it down.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But I love you, and I think that joke is
very funny. I think it it literally would only work
if there was an alt comedy. People are stupid.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
People are stupid, so people are guessing like one guy
guessed like one twenty and I was like, oh, that's flattering,
but it also like I'm not that's so that makes
me upset, and then I can never meet up with
him because I'm not actually that. Another person guessed one two.
It's like too close to home, please get away. And
then someone guessed six hundred, which was funny.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Another guy.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Another guy like, and that's a you know, a cue
to your favorite show.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, so that's that was good.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And then another guy said something along the lines of
like like this was the same thing before we matched.
He like commented on the prompt and he's like it'd
be easier to guess in real life, like maybe we
should meet in person.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I'm like, I'm gonna lift you up and put you
off sale.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
My god, so horrifying.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Another guy like we matched because he we matched in
a different way, like he liked one of my other
prompts or something.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
And then he's like, hey, how's your weekend. I'm like,
oh fucking christ, I'm like good. How.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
By the way, if someone gives me that energy, I
will not give more.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Bag. If someone says hi, I either don't respond or
I say hi.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Katie Delaney on Twitter was like I could not care
less how anyone on a dating app weekend was no less.
I struggled to think of what I could actually care
less about.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So I'm like, it's good, how is yours? And he's like, good,
do you want me to guess your weight? I was like,
all right, that's actually really funny. I mean not intentionally,
but yeah, yeah, so you want me to guess your weight?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Or what?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I did have an actually prompt that was kind of successful,
meaning that I got a lot of reactions to it
and it was very true where it was the one
that unhinge that says dating me is like dot dot
dot And I wrote a fun part time job with
time off where I need time alone in silence, and
a lot of guys liked it. And I was like, oh,
(13:20):
this is what everyone wants to some extent, like just
like a partner and then like leave me alone because
humans are not meant to be join at the hip,
Like yeah, go hunt and gather for like a good
six hours while I get my own privacy. It was
why there were so many COVID breakups and so many
people got moved very quickly. It was both I'm like,
(13:42):
this is a new statement hot take COVID. There are
breakups pros of it.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
What I wanted to say is that what I do
like about the apps is that I think something that
you and I share is that we have are not
used to being adored. For instance, not to blow up
your spot, but I think you met someone recently who
saw your worth and your double d's one D double
(14:19):
D they all look the same to me. One you're
one D but a single D and just noticed you
for like how amazing you are. And I when I
remember the first time I went on an app last
year after a breakup, I got like some guy was like,
you're so beautiful, You're so cute, and I thought, wow,
(14:40):
I need this right now. I do not need to
be known for my personality because sometimes and the listeners
will agree, it comes up short. So I need to
be known for actually my beauty. And it reminded me
of a friend. So I need to be known for
actually to be known for my beauty. And I'm okay
with that. I mean, it's the best line from little
Miss Sunshine when and uh all of asks her grandfather,
(15:03):
you know, am I beautiful? And he says, you're so
beautiful and I love you for your beauty. I don't
love you for your brains or your personality. Oh and
it's like I could cry. It's like one of my
favorite scenes in the movie because it's like, that's exactly
what a little girl in this society wants to hear.
I know how fucked up that is, but like, I
don't want to be told that, Like I know, I'm like, no,
I'm hot, I'm beautiful, and I need someone to tell
(15:25):
me that because funny doesn't cut it all the time.
And again our listeners are like, she's not that funny sometimes.
And I would do with you and actually ask you
to date me. I mean, so a friend of mine
said that her fetish was being worshiped, and like another
friend said that she thought would be cool to lie
(15:45):
down on the floor, have a guy smoke a cigarette
and circle her, deciding if you wanted to have sex
with her or not.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
That does sound hot to me. Honestly, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yes, because we are so fucked up, Like, oh good,
It's crazy to me that the situation the fetish that
sounded weirder was the one where you're worshiped. Like I
was like, oh God, break your nature.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
You're like in what sense?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I was like, Okay, how embarrassing for you that you
just said that instead of being like, yeah, that probably
is the most healthy take on sex. Is someone just
like you know, your body is Disneyland. I want someone
is the Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I want someone to worship me the way worship Cookie,
which is that when I look at him it physically
pains me.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, bad feeling how.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Cute he is, and how I want to smother him.
I want someone to want to smother me because they
love me so much. Is that so much to ask?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
No, it's not. We all want to be loved the
way we love our dogs. I was literally just walking
around Atlanta thinking is there a place where I could
get a dog? I just fantasized about going into the vets.
I saw a vet and saying, are there any dogs
that have been neglected that you want me to get
and just walking out with one.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's kind of like drinking, like when you're an alcoholic,
Like I just want to like go get drunk right now,
Like I just want to go get a dog. I
don't care about the consequences. I don't care what.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I don't care about.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't care if I can't take care of it tomorrow.
I just want to hang out with it now. I
don't care about pistols and shits all over my floor.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I need my baby.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I know Cookie is like he really he really came
into my life when I needed him. But I actually
can't speak about that because I will cry and I'm
on the verge of a total mental breakdown right now.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Okay, people are gonna like listen to this episode as
the time before Devin and I checked into the psych
ward Like there's gonna be an editor's note at the
end of this being like shortly after this episode was
recorded checked into.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm going I'm not even going to the mental hospital.
I'm going to fucking Cropsy, you know what I'm talking about?
What's that? See?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
That was that that abandoned It was like Anna, It
was a Netflix documentary. It was like one of the
first true crime wave documentaries about like an abandoned, haunted
form mental hospital in like Staten Island where that was
haunted by a ghost called Cropsy.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Craps these Cropsy's house, Pada cra.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I'm gonna see if Cropsy will worship me. How about that?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Probably would?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Okay, so we have to move on because this week
in television.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
This week in television is correct.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
This is the thing.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I have never watched an episode of a Bravo television
show twice with full focus.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Like the previous episodes of vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's like I watched once with full focus and then
once like in the background. This most recent episode, I
had to go back and watch it a second time,
fully focused, no phone, no distractions, because I was like, wait,
this is a literal detective, Like this is like details
piecing together.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And tree Detective season four.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
It's it really is good, especially.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
With that that weird like model desert thing like in
the world. Well yeah, okay, this is so fucking crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So where do we even begin.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I want to say this, and that is that just
like succession, I may have said this on the pod
before I know, I'm going to watch this over again
and that excites me because that is how full of
fucking easter eggs this is.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Just to give a quick recap of the episode, it's
Raquel's birthday, looks to camera, not that I needed that.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
They go to a Oh yeah, I really hope twenty
eight is a better year for me. I'm like, fuck
the fuck.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Off, she confesses to everyone. And if someone pointed this
out to me. Recently, I met another VPR fan at
work and that was actually a very important moment for me.
And she said so after a beach day where if
we all remember James Kennedy threw a drink in Schwartz's face,
which made me my heart grow eight sizes like the grinch,
(19:54):
They Raquel Sandoval in Schwartz probably not go into sandbal
hot tub. The next morning, Raquel shows up hours late
to work and says, I slept at sand of Alls.
And she goes like this, but nothing happened. Oh, and
my friend at work said, imagine if, like, for instance,
I slept over. First of all, imagine if Devin and
(20:15):
I had a boyfriend right now. That would be fucking nice,
wouldn't it. Imagine Devin, if you slept over at my
hot boyfriend's house, and then when I said, wait, where
did you sleep that night and you said I crashed
your boyfriend's house but nothing happened, I would be like, yeah,
of course it did. Like why are you saying that?
It's such a red flag? On its own, like, yeah,
I should be able to trust you because you're one
(20:36):
of my best friends around, like the person that is
my partner. And Lisa vander Pump, who I think is
onto this as well, is like this is very weird.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Everyone's onto it. If Ken's onto it, everyone's onto it.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Ken gives a terrible acting performance, but we love him anyway.
When he walks into a kitchen just to say, ah,
con't believe that, Raquel, you can see he's like trying
to remember his next word. He's like slept at sandivals
all night after being in the hot tub. And Katie
Malone you can tell, just doesn't believe it. She's like,
are you guys spreading rumors she really have dementia?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Ken?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
She's like, no, I'm Katie, I'm not Pandora, I'm Katie,
and you're.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Not my daddy. And that's us making fun of Ken
because he's old and he's on TV.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So he lily seems like he was like resurrected just
for that moment, like he woke up and stumbled it
and he's like, uh, I can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Is like he got a shot and was like pushed
onto thing.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yes, and It's funny because someone posted a compilation of Like.
He's actually been involved in a lot of gossip moments
on the show Like. He's like, did you hear that
Jax and Laura Lee were having sex in the.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Bathroom at Sir?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I guess he?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I guess He's got his finger on the pulse When
his finger is not.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
On the remote on a recliner watching all an episode
of Cheers, his fingers on the pulse.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
He okay, talk about being worships. Though I love their relationship,
I don't care, Lisa said when they started dating, they
spent a year her and Ken where they didn't see anyone.
And I'm like, I don't care if that's romantic. Cutting
off your friends and family and your work associates is romantic.
I don't care what anyone says. And just being with
little dogs named Jiggy and your boyfriend Ken who blindly defends.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
You no matter what. That's that's my Kyle.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's my thing with them, The blind defense of like
blind she can do no wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
That's what I want. I want blind defense? Is that
too much? Ask? Hello?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
And So I need a best friend who's always had
secretly a crush on me and been in love with
me to step forward and say they'll blindly defend me
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
We're a veil.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So, Arianna in the meantime has had her dog die,
her grandmother die, and she's clearly going through it. She's like,
I don't know. She's literally saying, I don't know. I'm
having such a hard time. I don't know what to
do next.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And she's talked about having like basically suicidal depression before
on the show.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, she struggled with like getting out of bed and
talked about wanting to drive off a cliff. Like she
is someone who and listened to me when I say this,
sometimes depression should not be how do I say this?
Sometimes when you're not feeling okay, it is circumstantial. It
is that someone's around you being dishonest and you are
(23:32):
not you know, and it's not your fault. But like,
there have been situations and relationships when I was very
young where I was depressed and I didn't realize it
was maybe because someone who I was spending a lot
of time with sucked. And Sandoval, we know, like the
Riquel thing is just the tip of the iceberg. He's
been probably cheating on her for years. That's what Kristen
(23:54):
Dowdy recently said and watched What Happens Live that she
found out that he had hooked up a friend of
a friend of hers, and it's like, Yeah, you are smarter, funnier,
cooler than your boyfriend of ten years and he's probably
cheating on you and like gaslighting you about it. Of
course you're depressed obviously, like chemical imbalance, and just like
biology has a lot to do with that as well.
But I think it's important to like remind ourselves, like
(24:17):
do you have a support network? Like are you with
someone who can like hold your hand through things? Or
are you with someone who the day your grandmother dies
is at a Labor day party that he won't leave
and who lies to you about it?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That was so fucking crazy. So basically the thing that
was funny too is that like the lot. Okay, So
first of all, I don't know if anyone's watching Love
and Death on HBO.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I'm not really interested. I gotta be honest, I'm done,
Like this is just a woman who had an affair
and then killed someone because she had an a fair like,
can we get a little more dynamic than that.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I know, but whatever, the point is that I know,
but I watch every true crime thing. I'm watching Saint
X on Hulu. Okay, I'll watch anything. So let's just
say that Betty or what, I don't even know her
name anymore. It's like, there's the Elizabeth Olsen character who
was also played by Jessica bial in the Hulu version
(25:12):
of this.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Show with the crazy wig.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So they like have an affair with this woman's husband
and then they kill the woman. And in both iterations
of the show, there's like this thing where she is
trying to cover up for herself, so she keeps like
repeating this very detailed story over and over again. She's like, oh, well,
I tried to go to the Target to buy father's
stay cards, but then when I got there, I realized
that my watch had stopped, so I had to just
(25:36):
come back to church and pick up the kids and
I and I didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Even end up getting father's state cards at Target.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
And she keeps repeating it and people are like, wait,
why are you giving so much detail? That was like
kind of what Sandoval was trying to do, but he
was so bad at it. The first iteration being oh, well,
we were in the jacuzzi, and then I said, oh, Raquel,
you're you're too drunk, and then and so then Raquel
dipped out, and then so I said, sleep on the couch.
And then later he's like, so I sleep in the
guest room, and then she did.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Then she went to my room, I mean the guest room,
like he is the dumbest man.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And then when when Lala and Ariana confront him about
the Labor Day thing, Lala is like, I was standing
right there, like when you got the text message, you
just wanted to like stay at the party or whatever.
And he said, I don't know why you have a
problem with me, and she's like, I don't have a
problem with you doing that, but Ariana does. And then
Ariana says the most heartbreaking thing in her confessional where
she's like, I will literally ride or die for this person.
(26:29):
And what she means by that we all know is
she will attend Tom Sandoval in the most extra concerts.
And he, meanwhile, when she just found out her grandmother died,
he's pretending he can't get a ride there when he
blatantly has a ride and then lying and saying he
was taking a shit.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So he didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
His friend was leaving. It's really really depressing and and
and I think also rider Die means she's blindly defended him,
like she's done what Schwartz wouldn't do for Katie Maloney
to Tom, Tom like always yells at women. It's very weird. Listen,
you can like argue with women, but he's always the
way he lectured Katie in the last Beach episode. It
(27:07):
was a obviously cocaine or adderall, you know, supported by
those an upper but it was also so aggressive. And
if my boyfriend spoke to a woman that way, I
there would be no choice. I would be like, no,
absolutely not, I don't know who you are. Arianna, for
better or for worse, has stood behind him. She's only
(27:27):
one time left and said I'm not going to do
the Tom fighting with girls thing right now.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
And so.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
At the same time, he can't even show up to her,
He can't even leave a Labor Day party. I unfortunately
identify with her. I know what this situation feels like.
It's very painful, and the hardest part about watching this
was seeing how she was still so protective of their
relationship and of him that on camera she wasn't like, yeah,
(27:55):
what the fuck is wrong with you, dude? Like she
was not exploding, and Lallah, bless her heart, handled the
situation so well. I really think current Katie are MVPs
this season. Lala looks at her and says, you can
tell him I want you. I wanted you to be there.
You can ask for that, yeah, And it's like, oh, right,
when you're dealing with someone, especially after you know ten years,
(28:19):
you probably get used to asking for less. And I
think women are used to asking, like the worship thing.
I'm you were used to asking for less and exchange
for a false sense of security because you are not
in a secure relationship if someone won't show up for
you in one of the worst moments of your life.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, it's also like, I think it's upsetting that I
think Laala speaking from a place of being in a
relationship that was really unhealthy with Brand And it's upsetting
to remember that Arianna has talked about before time that
she was in an abusive relationship, like she probably was like, wow,
Tom treats me, and she says when they first got together,
(28:57):
like Tom is a narcissist and obviously like a cheater,
like he's he like love.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Bombs and then he moves on to the next like project.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So she talks about how like when they first got together,
he like dropped everything for her, and I'm sure that
felt like amazing and now has devolved into I just
think I saw a TikTok of Tom, like making a
joke about Raquel and Schwartz and the whole situation at
one of his Tom san yes, I show, yeah, and
(29:27):
I'm just like, I really don't think like like I
obviously we all disagree.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
When Schwartz was on Watch What Happens Live.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And was like Tom needs a hug, It's like, I
really don't think he's affected by this at all, because
I think he's a narcissist and I don't think he
feels feelings. I think he feels like victimized, but I
don't think he's actually genuinely like, wow, I made a
huge mistake.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I completely agree, and I think therefore.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He deserves everything that comes his way. I think he
deserves to be tomatoed in the street.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
If I see him, I'm if I see him, I'm
sprint being an overdrive to a bodega, buying tomatoes and
throwing them in his face on the street.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So I have a confession, which is that I'm concerned
about Raquel, and I mean that totally.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, I don't want to say I have a confession
which is Tom Sandoval.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Can you imagine? He's not even my type? And I've
never found him attractive.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
He's disgustingly I've got Schwartz attack attractive, which is really sad.
And I actually have had to turn off vander Pump
before because he triggers me so much by not sticking
up for his wife.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
A lot of women I think can relate to that.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, but I I I do think that Raquel is
being like slut shamed by a nation, which I can't
imagine how that feels. And listen, she and I say
this prescriptively, not like as an insult. She is not smart.
She's not a smart person, and she probably is like
(30:52):
addicted to male attention and she, I mean, listen, the
footage is not making it easier on her, easy on her,
like when she's talking to James the last episode and
she's like, all my experiences are done out of maybe growing,
maybe not growing, and that is why I regret nothing.
And I was like the footage they have on this
show is the It's some of the craziest foreboding footage
(31:12):
I've ever seen in my life. For instance, when Katie
Maloney is talking to Ariana and Arianna says, I love Raquel,
I trust her. Basically, don't make me choose between you
and her. She says she's loyal, she's a good friend,
all this stuff, and Katie says, I think it's a
character thing. I do not believe this person can be
shitty to one person and nice to someone else.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
My one thing with.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Raquel being dumb is that I think she's an alcoholic,
and it's like hard for me to imagine someone who's dumb,
Like I don't know, It's like it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Takes a certain amount of darkness to like drink that much.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
She does seem to be wasted, like all the time,
Like when she's in her confessional crying about not becoming
Miss America or whatever, she seems like wasted.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Like I'm like, that's so interesting, because that also makes sense.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I was.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I'm so curious. I don't understand the connection people have
with her, like Arianna has with her. I'm like, I don't,
I don't, I don't understand basically, like I actually can
see being friends with Katie or like Stacy Ye. I
don't understand the appeal over kel in any way except
that maybe like some guys like really tiny girls, I
(32:18):
don't and like with whiny voices like I don't get it.
But when you drink all the time, I know this
from experience, and you meet someone who drinks all the time,
you kind of allow you build a friendship off of that,
and it takes a while to notice maybe that you
don't have a lot in common except drinking, like it
really does. One of my best friends in college, we
(32:42):
just both had drinking problems. That was literally what our
friendship was. And we had like shared a sense of
humor and stuff like that. And but when I stopped drinking,
it was kind of like it was not as close
and maybe they had had to do with me more,
and it probably did. Like she was a great person,
but we bonded because we both liked drinking eighty ounces
(33:03):
of malt liquor and yeah, that's not normal. I think
that the guys like we're call because she can hang
and drink, and I think that is why Arianna probably
connects with her as well. And Shana. Shana's I've had
her number since day one, since she told Shae, her
first husband, at their anniversary dinner, to order every drink
(33:24):
on the menu and when she told him, I want
you to just control your drinking, not get sober.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Because I don't. I don't want a husband who doesn't drink.
I want you to have be fun. Yeah, well, I
mean the finale is let's see our own landing. Well, yeah,
I want to see when it is though. Okay, so
the finale is a week from this Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
That is crazy to tell because it's like it has
windy part twos.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Thank god, No, No, the reunion is going to be
four parts at least.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That's that's that's what Lisa vander Pump said. So for
this that must be tired.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
They need to like the like wheeled out.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
They have a month of reunions for us in June.
But I think the finale is week after next. I
think it kind of makes sense. It's like getting to
the point where it's just intense, like detective work.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's crazy drama. It's you cannot miss a minute of this.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
So it's interesting too. I really thought this episode like
production has to know. They have to know, but I guess.
Andy Cohen said on his podcast recently that production he
grilled them that you know you know, did you or
did you not know? And production said, no, We've just
followed arians lead, meaning like she knows her boyfriend. She
(34:48):
probably knows if this is happening. And it's honestly, when
I believe that she did not believe anything was happening. Yeah,
when he oh my god, we have to talk about this.
He gifts Raquel care of VERSACEI sung, guy, He's like
me and Ariana got you a gift. Someone on Twitter
pointed out he is gifting his mistress in front of
(35:09):
his partner, and he's like, these aren't nineteen ninety one
shitt eating He.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Always has a shitty ing grin on That's what's so.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Disgusting, really disgusting. As Casey Wilson said, him giving his
Raquel her birthday toast was one of the craziest things
she ever saw. And she said, like she was talking
to Daniella Bitch said she like, what if David Caspy
at your birthday was like jumping across the table to
tell you, like how amazing you are? But I wanted
to get back to the birthday gift because someone on
(35:38):
Twitter caught and again, our soldiers on TikTok and Twitter
and Reddit are are really doing the work. But someone
on Twitter said, you can see Ariana go what like
she did not know that they were buying her sunglasses.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, I also think that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It's very dark the moment where Raquel talks about like
she like cries and is like, this is my core
group of people at my birthday. Because it's also like,
if you think about it, it's depressing to think that
she only joined the cast a couple of seasons ago.
She was a random fan who went to a James
Kennedy show. It's like, so does she have no friends
in the real world, Like she just these are her
(36:22):
closest people, the guy she's fucking and his girlfriend of
nine years. Like it's really depressing and glamor is depressing.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I have a quick question, Yeah, do you think Brock
made out with her? Like some people are knowing.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I honestly don't.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, it would be weird hard to find the time
she and I gotta say, looks absolutely cuckoo bananas.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
She looks cuckoo bananas.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
But I think Brock honestly seems like a good person.
And when when Ariana is like crying and she's like,
I wish I could talk to her my grandmother again,
and he's like you can, She's with you all the time.
I was like, okay, you're like fucking sweet, I have
to say.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
And he's honestly the hottest guy that's been on the
show in a very long time. Like I was like, wow,
sheina really did? I mean, listen, he's got other kids.
But maybe we don't know the story.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It's probably pretty bad. We don't need to know about it.
But but that is saying that Tom worst actor on television,
wipes his eyes as if there's tears crying.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I forgot about the fake crying. The fake crying is
so dehydrated. I'm like, it's because I think because he's
a cocaine he's drinking all the time. It's like he
doesn't even have the moisture to create a fake cry,
so there's nothing coming out. Same in the next week's
episode where he tries to gaslate her and he's like, well,
he's like pretending to cry and saying like, well, I
just like feel like we don't have sex and I
(37:45):
want us to be close again, and he's fake crying,
there's nothing coming out, and she's staring at him.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
You can tell us. He's just like, you're so full
of shit and I hate you.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
She in these moments in the fights, for instance, the
one where she said, maybe don't take shots when you
know you're trying to fertilize my eggs. And he talks
about how she's not supportive of him.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
And he's like, everybody needs to like, let loose and
have fun. She's like, can't you have fun without taking shots?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
She also is looking at him like what's going on?
And I know exactly that feeling of like it's and
I know it doesn't have to be cheating. It's more
like what are you doing? Why are you picking a
fight with me?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Like why are you not liking me right now?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Like something's going on because she knows he's trying to
create a storyline.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Also, it's so layered and complicated.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, we're so lucky to live in
this time.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
We are. We're blessed.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I love you, Devin, love you, Carol.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Suits so mata love me, babe, don't leave me hanging.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I want true
Oh hello, and welcome to true romance.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Carolina and this is Devin. I guess no
last names today, I guess the last name. She's pursuing
a pop career, just like Robin. Devin and I are
both single, were both on the apps. We're both trying
to figure out our medication.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We both DM Ronald from Dirry Duty or was that
just me? Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
That was actually just you? But you know what's so funny,
and we'll jump into this. I am in Atlanta, traveling
the world, just going to Atlanta maybe Arkansas for memorial
to see my grandmother and her fourteen cats. But by
the Jealous told me that I can't stay at her
house because of that, which I, jealous totally understood. I
(01:02):
was like, oh wow, maybe this is where I got
reclusive behavior from the fact that my grandmother, when I
asked if I could come for Thanksgiving, said yeah, but
where will you stay?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And I was like, ice cold. She's ice cold. So, I,
being in a new city, thought what healthy habits I'm
going to start now? And two of those one was
go on riyah and the second one was go on hinge.
Because I need to take control of my dating life
(01:32):
and stop expecting Andrew Garfield to walk through my front
door say come with me. Here is a wedding gown
in a dry cleaning bag. Put it on and we'll
go get married. And we don't have to get to
know each other because I'll just be your husband. But
didn't he say like, come with me, Come wait mate,
we'll go get married that big Ben.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Isn't that his accent?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That is exactly what he sounds like. And we've always
been good at imitations. And Tevin and I are launch
her acting careers summer twenty twenty four. So I am
on Riah and Whitney famously from Southern Charm. Stop no
I saw when I saw him on Southern Charm for
(02:15):
the first time, when Devin, you know, brought me into
the world of Southern Charm. Which was it a good thing?
Was it a bad thing? It doesn't matter. It's like,
you know, giving someone their first line of cocaine. You're
just like, be careful with this, but have a good
time as well. So Devin gives me the line of
Southern Charm, I snorted. I see Whitney, and the first
(02:35):
thing I say is that is a man who looks
like the people I see on Riyah like kind of
obviously not living well, but also thinks he's like a
twenty five year old rocker and really just like lives
with his mom in southern cal I mean in South Carolina.
So but I was like, you know what I want
to see if we match, Like I am, this is
(02:56):
a social experiment. At this point, I've met two people
on apps in the past ten years. I am way
too nervous to meet the third person. This is really
just a first step, just dipping my toe in.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So I swipe right.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Next thing, you know, I see shep again. What do
you think I'm gonna do there? Obviously swipe right. I
have not heard I have not heard a peep nothing.
And that was also a social experiment. So I was like,
I think Whitney is disgusting, but you know he thinks
I'm disgusting too.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's the thing that stucks about Riah is like you
think about deleting it, You're like, this is a waste money.
Everyone on here is horrible, no one matches, and then
you see and Eric Andre, you see a failed a
passional football player, and you're like, okay, wait, but wait
a second, and then you want you think every day
you're like, today's gonna be the day I open that app?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Wait, is Nathan Fielder on there?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
My friend said that she saw him. He now has
a girlfriend, unfortunately, but my friend said that she saw
him and that they matched, but he didn't respond to
her text. Who knows, it might have been like a
fake these days, you never know our.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Mutual friend, which I don't know if she'll mind keeping
this in the pod, but I wouldn't mind if I
was her. But I said to her, like, but the
thing is like, you never actually match with celebrities, and
she's like, really I have a few times, and I
was like, all right, well fuck off.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well fuck off. She has naturally plump lips, and that
is something that has been hard for me and my
friendship with her. You know how the girl in the
rom com is like so typically hot, but she's still
like having dating problems and stuff. That's how I feel
being friends with my hot friends who have trouble dating,
Like I just feel like, wait, you're having problems. I know, day,
(04:33):
But how Devin has c's d's question mark.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
They are d's in fact, Oh my god. But this
is how I feel this is how I feel. It's
to call upon an old corn Twine segment where Jesse
Kenewski said, where are these male best friends who are
waiting to step in and say I've actually been in
love with you the whole time?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
That's how I feel today.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm like, hey, if anyone's out there who's secretly been like,
of course I'm in love with you, Devin, like this
whole time, I've been waiting and pining for you, step
right up. The door is open, The door is here,
goddamn open right here.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, Andrew Garfield to walk into my house, I will
go to Westminster, A Carolina.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh actually, I love need whole time.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh my god, dead on. I wanted to actually talk
about that because I've been seeing multiple beautiful women who
are friends with handsome men, and I thought, not for me.
I can't do that. If I was going out, like
just hanging out and going grabbing coffee, like like meeting
up with hot I would be like, oh, so when
(05:35):
are we having sex? This was a problem in high school. Actually,
I two handsome guy friends, like classically handsome, like hot
girls were pining after them who kept wanting to hang
out with me, and I was like, what is happening?
And I realized they just thought it was funny. But
I was like, no, no, no, no, I'm not here for that.
I'm not a little clown. I'm not going to dance
like a monkey for you. You have to give me something. Yeah,
(05:58):
and it has to be a pennis Yeah. Well, I'm
still friends to them to this day, and one of them,
I'm still waiting for him to like, I'm always like,
is he going to confess his love for me soon?
It's been bare long enough sixteen years and I'm still like,
so are you?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
We could hear a teenager by now, We.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Could absolutely have a teenager by now, and I just like,
it's past the point where I even have a crush
on this person if I use all of my brain,
but my ego and my like, uh, the side of
me it's not even like my body, it's more my
ego and the side of me that likes excitement and
drama is like, are you just going to one day
be say this is I've realized you've been in front
(06:42):
of me this entire time. Yeah, And I would probably
be like, sure, someone who's nice. I don't even care
about how this is good. The sex is at this
point in my life. I mean, I will, and I do.
But you know, when you're tired, when you've been burned,
you just want a warm body to land top of you.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Do I sound okay? Neither neither of us sounds okay.
Neither neither of us are okay. But as Lauren Conrad
says on the Hills, I've been burned by so many friends,
especially lately because I did decide to rejoin the apps.
And this is what I'll say, and I know I've
said this before. Two things that are insulting. One, when
(07:22):
someone on Hinge, you know, you have like the ability
like unhinged. More like unhinged, you have the ability to
comment on our podcast for today, you have the obited
comment on prompts. Yes, So it's insulting to me when
someone comments on the prompt as if like okay, and
we're dating basically like I put on mine that I'm
(07:46):
looking for something casual right now, which I like am
but also it's kind of like it's kind of like
a manipulative tactic.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
No, but it's also hot if a guy. I don't
even I'm turned off when guys say they're looking for
like monogamy or looking for a serious relationship.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Okay, so a man who I have not watched, a
man who I have not matched with comments on my
prompt lovely fuck buddies, but also, can I bring my
pjs and spend the night. Don't worry, I won't fall
for you in parentheses or anyone. Thanks exclamation point, exclamation point,
open face, smiling emoji.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
No, like are you?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Are you a murder?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The other thing that bothers me is people will do
that and be like, great, let's get drinks. It's like, no,
you have to ask me a question. I'm not gonna
like that. I think that's what bothers me. I'm like,
you're not even gonna ask, You're just gonna be like, great,
so we're doing this. It's like, no, we're not doing this.
I'm actually not interested in you at all, first of all.
Second of all, the other insulting thing is hey, hi,
(08:45):
hi Devin, Hey dev, you don't give me a question
or a sentence.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I deserve at least that much, you know. It's interesting.
What I'll say is apps have made it easy for men.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
They really have.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You do not need to muster the courage. But I mean,
like you don't. It's made it so easy. You can
do this from your couch, you can do this at work.
You can hit on a girl from your your you know,
the bedroom that you share with your wife, Like you
can do whatever you want from your phone, and yet
(09:21):
they still do the bare minimum the bear they don't.
I mean, listen, there's some you know, the rule doesnt
apply to anyone. There's some exceptions, but I have found
the same. I mean, we don't need to go over
men's terrible profiles, but i will say I'm in Atlanta
and I'm seeing a lot of moderate, a lot of conservative,
(09:45):
a lot of other other when the political I'm not
interested in that. I don't even know what that is.
And I'm scared that means all right, I'm just like
what the or it means, like I'm too smart for
political parties and that I know it's a nightmare. I
(10:07):
I'm skald. Yeah, And there's a lot of men telling
me how to live life just in their profile, like
you've got to be enthusiastic, people who are open minded,
and there's a few hints of passive aggression obviously, like
people who don't overreact in situations. I'm like Okay, I
(10:29):
don't care what you did your ex girlfriend, but you
need to you need to, you know, process that and
then come back yes, and then come back to me
and speak to me like a normal human being.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
People who don't overreact. I know it's so it's so upsetting,
but I so sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I also thought it would be funny on Hinge, and
now I feel like I'm gonna say this and then
people in the comments are going to be like, well,
you were asking for it and you never should have
done that. I thought it would be funny on Hinge
because they have a prompt that's like, guess this about me,
And I thought it would be funny to say my
weight because obviously I thought anyone with any common sense
would be like, oh my god, of course she's kidding,
(11:08):
Like a woman doesn't want someone to guess her weight,
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Now, a lot of people took it seriously and it
was really bad for my eating disorder and I had
to take it down.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But I love you, and I think that joke is
very funny. I think it it literally would only work
if there was an alt comedy. People are stupid.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
People are stupid, so people are guessing like one guy
guessed like one twenty and I was like, oh, that's flattering,
but it also like I'm not that's so that makes
me upset, and then I can never meet up with
him because I'm not actually that. Another person guessed one two.
It's like too close to home, please get away. And
then someone guessed six hundred, which was funny.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Another guy.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Another guy like, and that's a you know, a cue
to your favorite show.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, so that's that was good.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And then another guy said something along the lines of
like like this was the same thing before we matched.
He like commented on the prompt and he's like it'd
be easier to guess in real life, like maybe we
should meet in person.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I'm like, I'm gonna lift you up and put you
off sale.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
My god, so horrifying.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Another guy like we matched because he we matched in
a different way, like he liked one of my other
prompts or something.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
And then he's like, hey, how's your weekend. I'm like,
oh fucking christ, I'm like good. How.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
By the way, if someone gives me that energy, I
will not give more.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Bag. If someone says hi, I either don't respond or
I say hi.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Katie Delaney on Twitter was like I could not care
less how anyone on a dating app weekend was no less.
I struggled to think of what I could actually care
less about.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So I'm like, it's good, how is yours? And he's like, good,
do you want me to guess your weight? I was like,
all right, that's actually really funny. I mean not intentionally,
but yeah, yeah, so you want me to guess your weight?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Or what?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I did have an actually prompt that was kind of successful,
meaning that I got a lot of reactions to it
and it was very true where it was the one
that unhinge that says dating me is like dot dot
dot And I wrote a fun part time job with
time off where I need time alone in silence, and
a lot of guys liked it. And I was like, oh,
(13:20):
this is what everyone wants to some extent, like just
like a partner and then like leave me alone because
humans are not meant to be join at the hip,
Like yeah, go hunt and gather for like a good
six hours while I get my own privacy. It was
why there were so many COVID breakups and so many
people got moved very quickly. It was both I'm like,
(13:42):
this is a new statement hot take COVID. There are
breakups pros of it.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
What I wanted to say is that what I do
like about the apps is that I think something that
you and I share is that we have are not
used to being adored. For instance, not to blow up
your spot, but I think you met someone recently who
saw your worth and your double d's one D double
(14:19):
D they all look the same to me. One you're
one D but a single D and just noticed you
for like how amazing you are. And I when I
remember the first time I went on an app last
year after a breakup, I got like some guy was like,
you're so beautiful, You're so cute, and I thought, wow,
(14:40):
I need this right now. I do not need to
be known for my personality because sometimes and the listeners
will agree, it comes up short. So I need to
be known for actually my beauty. And it reminded me
of a friend. So I need to be known for
actually to be known for my beauty. And I'm okay
with that. I mean, it's the best line from little
Miss Sunshine when and uh all of asks her grandfather,
(15:03):
you know, am I beautiful? And he says, you're so
beautiful and I love you for your beauty. I don't
love you for your brains or your personality. Oh and
it's like I could cry. It's like one of my
favorite scenes in the movie because it's like, that's exactly
what a little girl in this society wants to hear.
I know how fucked up that is, but like, I
don't want to be told that, Like I know, I'm like, no,
I'm hot, I'm beautiful, and I need someone to tell
(15:25):
me that because funny doesn't cut it all the time.
And again our listeners are like, she's not that funny sometimes.
And I would do with you and actually ask you
to date me. I mean, so a friend of mine
said that her fetish was being worshiped, and like another
friend said that she thought would be cool to lie
(15:45):
down on the floor, have a guy smoke a cigarette
and circle her, deciding if you wanted to have sex
with her or not.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
That does sound hot to me. Honestly, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yes, because we are so fucked up, Like, oh good,
It's crazy to me that the situation the fetish that
sounded weirder was the one where you're worshiped. Like I
was like, oh God, break your nature.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
You're like in what sense?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I was like, Okay, how embarrassing for you that you
just said that instead of being like, yeah, that probably
is the most healthy take on sex. Is someone just
like you know, your body is Disneyland. I want someone
is the Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I want someone to worship me the way worship Cookie,
which is that when I look at him it physically
pains me.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, bad feeling how.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Cute he is, and how I want to smother him.
I want someone to want to smother me because they
love me so much. Is that so much to ask?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
No, it's not. We all want to be loved the
way we love our dogs. I was literally just walking
around Atlanta thinking is there a place where I could
get a dog? I just fantasized about going into the vets.
I saw a vet and saying, are there any dogs
that have been neglected that you want me to get
and just walking out with one.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's kind of like drinking, like when you're an alcoholic,
Like I just want to like go get drunk right now,
Like I just want to go get a dog. I
don't care about the consequences. I don't care what.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I don't care about.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't care if I can't take care of it tomorrow.
I just want to hang out with it now. I
don't care about pistols and shits all over my floor.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I need my baby.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I know Cookie is like he really he really came
into my life when I needed him. But I actually
can't speak about that because I will cry and I'm
on the verge of a total mental breakdown right now.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Okay, people are gonna like listen to this episode as
the time before Devin and I checked into the psych
ward Like there's gonna be an editor's note at the
end of this being like shortly after this episode was
recorded checked into.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm going I'm not even going to the mental hospital.
I'm going to fucking Cropsy, you know what I'm talking about?
What's that? See?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
That was that that abandoned It was like Anna, It
was a Netflix documentary. It was like one of the
first true crime wave documentaries about like an abandoned, haunted
form mental hospital in like Staten Island where that was
haunted by a ghost called Cropsy.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Craps these Cropsy's house, Pada cra.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I'm gonna see if Cropsy will worship me. How about that?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Probably would?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Okay, so we have to move on because this week
in television.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
This week in television is correct.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
This is the thing.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I have never watched an episode of a Bravo television
show twice with full focus.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Like the previous episodes of vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's like I watched once with full focus and then
once like in the background. This most recent episode, I
had to go back and watch it a second time,
fully focused, no phone, no distractions, because I was like, wait,
this is a literal detective, Like this is like details
piecing together.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And tree Detective season four.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
It's it really is good, especially.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
With that that weird like model desert thing like in
the world. Well yeah, okay, this is so fucking crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So where do we even begin.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I want to say this, and that is that just
like succession, I may have said this on the pod
before I know, I'm going to watch this over again
and that excites me because that is how full of
fucking easter eggs this is.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Just to give a quick recap of the episode, it's
Raquel's birthday, looks to camera, not that I needed that.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
They go to a Oh yeah, I really hope twenty
eight is a better year for me. I'm like, fuck
the fuck.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Off, she confesses to everyone. And if someone pointed this
out to me. Recently, I met another VPR fan at
work and that was actually a very important moment for me.
And she said so after a beach day where if
we all remember James Kennedy threw a drink in Schwartz's face,
which made me my heart grow eight sizes like the grinch,
(19:54):
They Raquel Sandoval in Schwartz probably not go into sandbal
hot tub. The next morning, Raquel shows up hours late
to work and says, I slept at sand of Alls.
And she goes like this, but nothing happened. Oh, and
my friend at work said, imagine if, like, for instance,
I slept over. First of all, imagine if Devin and
(20:15):
I had a boyfriend right now. That would be fucking nice,
wouldn't it. Imagine Devin, if you slept over at my
hot boyfriend's house, and then when I said, wait, where
did you sleep that night and you said I crashed
your boyfriend's house but nothing happened, I would be like, yeah,
of course it did. Like why are you saying that?
It's such a red flag? On its own, like, yeah,
I should be able to trust you because you're one
(20:36):
of my best friends around, like the person that is
my partner. And Lisa vander Pump, who I think is
onto this as well, is like this is very weird.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Everyone's onto it. If Ken's onto it, everyone's onto it.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Ken gives a terrible acting performance, but we love him anyway.
When he walks into a kitchen just to say, ah,
con't believe that, Raquel, you can see he's like trying
to remember his next word. He's like slept at sandivals
all night after being in the hot tub. And Katie
Malone you can tell, just doesn't believe it. She's like,
are you guys spreading rumors she really have dementia?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Ken?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
She's like, no, I'm Katie, I'm not Pandora, I'm Katie,
and you're.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Not my daddy. And that's us making fun of Ken
because he's old and he's on TV.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So he lily seems like he was like resurrected just
for that moment, like he woke up and stumbled it
and he's like, uh, I can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Is like he got a shot and was like pushed
onto thing.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yes, and It's funny because someone posted a compilation of Like.
He's actually been involved in a lot of gossip moments
on the show Like. He's like, did you hear that
Jax and Laura Lee were having sex in the.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Bathroom at Sir?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I guess he?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I guess He's got his finger on the pulse When
his finger is not.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
On the remote on a recliner watching all an episode
of Cheers, his fingers on the pulse.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
He okay, talk about being worships. Though I love their relationship,
I don't care, Lisa said when they started dating, they
spent a year her and Ken where they didn't see anyone.
And I'm like, I don't care if that's romantic. Cutting
off your friends and family and your work associates is romantic.
I don't care what anyone says. And just being with
little dogs named Jiggy and your boyfriend Ken who blindly defends.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
You no matter what. That's that's my Kyle.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's my thing with them, The blind defense of like
blind she can do no wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
That's what I want. I want blind defense? Is that
too much? Ask? Hello?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
And So I need a best friend who's always had
secretly a crush on me and been in love with
me to step forward and say they'll blindly defend me
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
We're a veil.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So, Arianna in the meantime has had her dog die,
her grandmother die, and she's clearly going through it. She's like,
I don't know. She's literally saying, I don't know. I'm
having such a hard time. I don't know what to
do next.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And she's talked about having like basically suicidal depression before
on the show.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, she struggled with like getting out of bed and
talked about wanting to drive off a cliff. Like she
is someone who and listened to me when I say this,
sometimes depression should not be how do I say this?
Sometimes when you're not feeling okay, it is circumstantial. It
is that someone's around you being dishonest and you are
(23:32):
not you know, and it's not your fault. But like,
there have been situations and relationships when I was very
young where I was depressed and I didn't realize it
was maybe because someone who I was spending a lot
of time with sucked. And Sandoval, we know, like the
Riquel thing is just the tip of the iceberg. He's
been probably cheating on her for years. That's what Kristen
(23:54):
Dowdy recently said and watched What Happens Live that she
found out that he had hooked up a friend of
a friend of hers, and it's like, Yeah, you are smarter, funnier,
cooler than your boyfriend of ten years and he's probably
cheating on you and like gaslighting you about it. Of
course you're depressed obviously, like chemical imbalance, and just like
biology has a lot to do with that as well.
But I think it's important to like remind ourselves, like
(24:17):
do you have a support network? Like are you with
someone who can like hold your hand through things? Or
are you with someone who the day your grandmother dies
is at a Labor day party that he won't leave
and who lies to you about it?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That was so fucking crazy. So basically the thing that
was funny too is that like the lot. Okay, So
first of all, I don't know if anyone's watching Love
and Death on HBO.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I'm not really interested. I gotta be honest, I'm done,
Like this is just a woman who had an affair
and then killed someone because she had an a fair like,
can we get a little more dynamic than that.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I know, but whatever, the point is that I know,
but I watch every true crime thing. I'm watching Saint
X on Hulu. Okay, I'll watch anything. So let's just
say that Betty or what, I don't even know her
name anymore. It's like, there's the Elizabeth Olsen character who
was also played by Jessica bial in the Hulu version
(25:12):
of this.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Show with the crazy wig.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So they like have an affair with this woman's husband
and then they kill the woman. And in both iterations
of the show, there's like this thing where she is
trying to cover up for herself, so she keeps like
repeating this very detailed story over and over again. She's like, oh, well,
I tried to go to the Target to buy father's
stay cards, but then when I got there, I realized
that my watch had stopped, so I had to just
(25:36):
come back to church and pick up the kids and
I and I didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Even end up getting father's state cards at Target.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
And she keeps repeating it and people are like, wait,
why are you giving so much detail? That was like
kind of what Sandoval was trying to do, but he
was so bad at it. The first iteration being oh, well,
we were in the jacuzzi, and then I said, oh, Raquel,
you're you're too drunk, and then and so then Raquel
dipped out, and then so I said, sleep on the couch.
And then later he's like, so I sleep in the
guest room, and then she did.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Then she went to my room, I mean the guest room,
like he is the dumbest man.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And then when when Lala and Ariana confront him about
the Labor Day thing, Lala is like, I was standing
right there, like when you got the text message, you
just wanted to like stay at the party or whatever.
And he said, I don't know why you have a
problem with me, and she's like, I don't have a
problem with you doing that, but Ariana does. And then
Ariana says the most heartbreaking thing in her confessional where
she's like, I will literally ride or die for this person.
(26:29):
And what she means by that we all know is
she will attend Tom Sandoval in the most extra concerts.
And he, meanwhile, when she just found out her grandmother died,
he's pretending he can't get a ride there when he
blatantly has a ride and then lying and saying he
was taking a shit.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So he didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
His friend was leaving. It's really really depressing and and
and I think also rider Die means she's blindly defended him,
like she's done what Schwartz wouldn't do for Katie Maloney
to Tom, Tom like always yells at women. It's very weird. Listen,
you can like argue with women, but he's always the
way he lectured Katie in the last Beach episode. It
(27:07):
was a obviously cocaine or adderall, you know, supported by
those an upper but it was also so aggressive. And
if my boyfriend spoke to a woman that way, I
there would be no choice. I would be like, no,
absolutely not, I don't know who you are. Arianna, for
better or for worse, has stood behind him. She's only
(27:27):
one time left and said I'm not going to do
the Tom fighting with girls thing right now.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
And so.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
At the same time, he can't even show up to her,
He can't even leave a Labor Day party. I unfortunately
identify with her. I know what this situation feels like.
It's very painful, and the hardest part about watching this
was seeing how she was still so protective of their
relationship and of him that on camera she wasn't like, yeah,
(27:55):
what the fuck is wrong with you, dude? Like she
was not exploding, and Lallah, bless her heart, handled the
situation so well. I really think current Katie are MVPs
this season. Lala looks at her and says, you can
tell him I want you. I wanted you to be there.
You can ask for that, yeah, And it's like, oh, right,
when you're dealing with someone, especially after you know ten years,
(28:19):
you probably get used to asking for less. And I
think women are used to asking, like the worship thing.
I'm you were used to asking for less and exchange
for a false sense of security because you are not
in a secure relationship if someone won't show up for
you in one of the worst moments of your life.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, it's also like, I think it's upsetting that I
think Laala speaking from a place of being in a
relationship that was really unhealthy with Brand And it's upsetting
to remember that Arianna has talked about before time that
she was in an abusive relationship, like she probably was like, wow,
Tom treats me, and she says when they first got together,
(28:57):
like Tom is a narcissist and obviously like a cheater,
like he's he like love.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Bombs and then he moves on to the next like project.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So she talks about how like when they first got together,
he like dropped everything for her, and I'm sure that
felt like amazing and now has devolved into I just
think I saw a TikTok of Tom, like making a
joke about Raquel and Schwartz and the whole situation at
one of his Tom san yes, I show, yeah, and
(29:27):
I'm just like, I really don't think like like I
obviously we all disagree.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
When Schwartz was on Watch What Happens Live.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And was like Tom needs a hug, It's like, I
really don't think he's affected by this at all, because
I think he's a narcissist and I don't think he
feels feelings. I think he feels like victimized, but I
don't think he's actually genuinely like, wow, I made a
huge mistake.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I completely agree, and I think therefore.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He deserves everything that comes his way. I think he
deserves to be tomatoed in the street.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
If I see him, I'm if I see him, I'm
sprint being an overdrive to a bodega, buying tomatoes and
throwing them in his face on the street.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So I have a confession, which is that I'm concerned
about Raquel, and I mean that totally.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, I don't want to say I have a confession
which is Tom Sandoval.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Can you imagine? He's not even my type? And I've
never found him attractive.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
He's disgustingly I've got Schwartz attack attractive, which is really sad.
And I actually have had to turn off vander Pump
before because he triggers me so much by not sticking
up for his wife.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
A lot of women I think can relate to that.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, but I I I do think that Raquel is
being like slut shamed by a nation, which I can't
imagine how that feels. And listen, she and I say
this prescriptively, not like as an insult. She is not smart.
She's not a smart person, and she probably is like
(30:52):
addicted to male attention and she, I mean, listen, the
footage is not making it easier on her, easy on her,
like when she's talking to James the last episode and
she's like, all my experiences are done out of maybe growing,
maybe not growing, and that is why I regret nothing.
And I was like the footage they have on this
show is the It's some of the craziest foreboding footage
(31:12):
I've ever seen in my life. For instance, when Katie
Maloney is talking to Ariana and Arianna says, I love Raquel,
I trust her. Basically, don't make me choose between you
and her. She says she's loyal, she's a good friend,
all this stuff, and Katie says, I think it's a
character thing. I do not believe this person can be
shitty to one person and nice to someone else.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
My one thing with.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Raquel being dumb is that I think she's an alcoholic,
and it's like hard for me to imagine someone who's dumb,
Like I don't know, It's like it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Takes a certain amount of darkness to like drink that much.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
She does seem to be wasted, like all the time,
Like when she's in her confessional crying about not becoming
Miss America or whatever, she seems like wasted.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Like I'm like, that's so interesting, because that also makes sense.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I was.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I'm so curious. I don't understand the connection people have
with her, like Arianna has with her. I'm like, I don't,
I don't, I don't understand basically, like I actually can
see being friends with Katie or like Stacy Ye. I
don't understand the appeal over kel in any way except
that maybe like some guys like really tiny girls, I
(32:18):
don't and like with whiny voices like I don't get it.
But when you drink all the time, I know this
from experience, and you meet someone who drinks all the time,
you kind of allow you build a friendship off of that,
and it takes a while to notice maybe that you
don't have a lot in common except drinking, like it
really does. One of my best friends in college, we
(32:42):
just both had drinking problems. That was literally what our
friendship was. And we had like shared a sense of
humor and stuff like that. And but when I stopped drinking,
it was kind of like it was not as close
and maybe they had had to do with me more,
and it probably did. Like she was a great person,
but we bonded because we both liked drinking eighty ounces
(33:03):
of malt liquor and yeah, that's not normal. I think
that the guys like we're call because she can hang
and drink, and I think that is why Arianna probably
connects with her as well. And Shana. Shana's I've had
her number since day one, since she told Shae, her
first husband, at their anniversary dinner, to order every drink
(33:24):
on the menu and when she told him, I want
you to just control your drinking, not get sober.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Because I don't. I don't want a husband who doesn't drink.
I want you to have be fun. Yeah, well, I
mean the finale is let's see our own landing. Well, yeah,
I want to see when it is though. Okay, so
the finale is a week from this Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
That is crazy to tell because it's like it has
windy part twos.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Thank god, No, No, the reunion is going to be
four parts at least.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That's that's that's what Lisa vander Pump said. So for
this that must be tired.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
They need to like the like wheeled out.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
They have a month of reunions for us in June.
But I think the finale is week after next. I
think it kind of makes sense. It's like getting to
the point where it's just intense, like detective work.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's crazy drama. It's you cannot miss a minute of this.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
So it's interesting too. I really thought this episode like
production has to know. They have to know, but I guess.
Andy Cohen said on his podcast recently that production he
grilled them that you know you know, did you or
did you not know? And production said, no, We've just
followed arians lead, meaning like she knows her boyfriend. She
(34:48):
probably knows if this is happening. And it's honestly, when
I believe that she did not believe anything was happening. Yeah,
when he oh my god, we have to talk about this.
He gifts Raquel care of VERSACEI sung, guy, He's like
me and Ariana got you a gift. Someone on Twitter
pointed out he is gifting his mistress in front of
(35:09):
his partner, and he's like, these aren't nineteen ninety one
shitt eating He.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Always has a shitty ing grin on That's what's so.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Disgusting, really disgusting. As Casey Wilson said, him giving his
Raquel her birthday toast was one of the craziest things
she ever saw. And she said, like she was talking
to Daniella Bitch said she like, what if David Caspy
at your birthday was like jumping across the table to
tell you, like how amazing you are? But I wanted
to get back to the birthday gift because someone on
(35:38):
Twitter caught and again, our soldiers on TikTok and Twitter
and Reddit are are really doing the work. But someone
on Twitter said, you can see Ariana go what like
she did not know that they were buying her sunglasses.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, I also think that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It's very dark the moment where Raquel talks about like
she like cries and is like, this is my core
group of people at my birthday. Because it's also like,
if you think about it, it's depressing to think that
she only joined the cast a couple of seasons ago.
She was a random fan who went to a James
Kennedy show. It's like, so does she have no friends
in the real world, Like she just these are her
(36:22):
closest people, the guy she's fucking and his girlfriend of
nine years. Like it's really depressing and glamor is depressing.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I have a quick question, Yeah, do you think Brock
made out with her? Like some people are knowing.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I honestly don't.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, it would be weird hard to find the time
she and I gotta say, looks absolutely cuckoo bananas.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
She looks cuckoo bananas.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
But I think Brock honestly seems like a good person.
And when when Ariana is like crying and she's like,
I wish I could talk to her my grandmother again,
and he's like you can, She's with you all the time.
I was like, okay, you're like fucking sweet, I have
to say.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
And he's honestly the hottest guy that's been on the
show in a very long time. Like I was like, wow,
sheina really did? I mean, listen, he's got other kids.
But maybe we don't know the story.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It's probably pretty bad. We don't need to know about it.
But but that is saying that Tom worst actor on television,
wipes his eyes as if there's tears crying.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I forgot about the fake crying. The fake crying is
so dehydrated. I'm like, it's because I think because he's
a cocaine he's drinking all the time. It's like he
doesn't even have the moisture to create a fake cry,
so there's nothing coming out. Same in the next week's
episode where he tries to gaslate her and he's like, well,
he's like pretending to cry and saying like, well, I
just like feel like we don't have sex and I
(37:45):
want us to be close again, and he's fake crying,
there's nothing coming out, and she's staring at him.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
You can tell us. He's just like, you're so full
of shit and I hate you.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
She in these moments in the fights, for instance, the
one where she said, maybe don't take shots when you
know you're trying to fertilize my eggs. And he talks
about how she's not supportive of him.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
And he's like, everybody needs to like, let loose and
have fun. She's like, can't you have fun without taking shots?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
She also is looking at him like what's going on?
And I know exactly that feeling of like it's and
I know it doesn't have to be cheating. It's more
like what are you doing? Why are you picking a
fight with me?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Like why are you not liking me right now?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Like something's going on because she knows he's trying to
create a storyline.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Also, it's so layered and complicated.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, we're so lucky to live in
this time.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
We are. We're blessed.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I love you, Devin, love you, Carol.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Suits so mata love me, babe, don't leave me hanging.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I want true
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