March 23, 2023 • 39 mins
Devin and Carolina try to cover the Hometowns and Women Tell All episodes of The Bachelor but keep getting distracted by the Scandoval affair because, let’s face it, the world of Vanderpump Rules is much more exciting than the world where Jesse Palmer is considered a “personality” and eating maple syrup is considered a date!
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, Welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina Barlow, this
is Devin Leary. We're back together. We're back together. Listen.
I was on the road. I was shooting a sacred documentary.
On the road. I hate not doing voices anymore like that.
Voices are hard. I mean, listen, I think it's most
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natural to go British or go um Australian. I actually, okay, sorry,
never mind, go ahead. I saw a shirt in Walmart
that said me Lucky shirt, and it was about sure
before leaf clover and for the next two weeks, I
stop saying me lucky shirt. That's my culture, that is
your culture. I was on the road, um, and it
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was really fun and there was a lot of romantic
drama on the road with the crew, and I got
really invested, and I really realized more than I ever
have in the past two three years being single. I
was like, I need to date because it's not healthy
to be counting on people like I am right now
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for them to basically hook up and tell me everything
like that the amount of details I need is simply unhealthy.
I might as well be asking for like a sex stape.
At a certain point, I'm like Okay, So then what
did you do? Okay, so then what's the problem. Okay,
so did he say he loves you? What's the problem?
But I got so invested. It's exactly how watching Bachelor
and the Paradise affected me, where I was in a
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bad mood for a day because I thought, Noah and Abigail,
you know, we're head broken up and that's just not
a healthy way to live. And you have to really,
I don't know, but you have to live for yourself.
But we need Bachelor in Paradise, Like nothing's been more
clear to me. And in doing the chore of watching
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The Bachelor so that we can talk about it, which
it is a chore this season, I have thought nothing
more than we need Bachelor in Paradise. And also like,
how is this even the same franchise because it's just
like so boring in comparison. That is such a good point.
And the patterns are getting old. Fantasy Week is getting old,
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Meeting the parents is getting old. Doing a stupid fucking
themed date based on your hometown. I'm done with it all. Literally,
give me something, give me something new. I don't know
what it could be, but it didn't make me think
of Tatia's COVID dates in terms of when everyone was
just at their wits end trying to keep contestants safe
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from COVID and have something fun to do. They'd be like,
we're gonna go to my fake ice cream parlor. Like
it was literally like kids playing house. I know, and
we watched and to think that we watched everyone something
that we watched that, and also to think that, like
I in watching The After Sorry I keep confusing it
with After the Final Rows, watching The Women Tell All
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they do like those montages of like it's just too long.
This is the thing they do those montages and after
in The Women Tell All where it's like all the
drama that happened this season with this person and with
that person, and it's like, oh, that actually is kind
of crazy, Like that actually is like a lot of
stuff that happened, but it was so drawn out and
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it was so like few and far between, and like
Jesse Palmer is making Chris Harrison look charismatic and talented,
which is such a feat. He's making Chris Harrison like
I'm like, I can't believe I'm riding for Chris Harrison,
but I can't believe I'm recognizing Chris Harrison as someone
who did a good job at anything besides putting on
a suit. It's also insane, like I said, like, how
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is it the same franchise, because it's insane to think
that the same Like producers that had Lil John as
a guest host on Bachelor in Paradise and had like
David Spade where like all the girls were like hitting
on David Spade and like trying to hook up with him,
is also responsible for this wax figure. AI like he's
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like a cardboard cutout of like a reject college football player.
And I don't know where he came from or who
he is, or where he's gonna go, where he's going
to go after this but or what the universe is
going to do with him, or what happens after people
like that, you know, die. It's like I don't think,
I don't think Heaven. I don't think Hell. I think
some other place, some place, you know, the matrix factory
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where things are brought to them. Yeah, so I just
don't understand. But I was loving he must have gotten
a note if I'm sure you noticed in the in
the Women tell All. I think he got a note
that was like, you need to like inflect more, because
he started doing like those voices where he's like and
coming up. Oh yeah, you better believe it. We got Blooper.
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It's like just doing like inflections for no reason and
like trying to make his voice like go up, and
it was like so jarring. It was like wait, what um,
but she's going to lose the easiest job in America.
He should. I hope he does. He will. It's bleak.
The producers are doing a bad job. The ratings suck,
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and it's because they chose a fucking turred candidate. I
really think this is a show we could produce, Yes,
but also what are they thinking, because it's like this
is what something we were just talking about, which is
like the rules of the outside world do not apply
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in the reality TV world. For example, in the Scandal
All Affair, people are saying, oh, you can't be on
Shena's side. If Shena hit Raquel, you can't be on
Sheina's side because like it's never okay to hit someone.
It's like no, no, no, it's never okay to hit
someone in the real world. In this world, on this
corner of Hollywood, Boulevard or some at bolevard where Pump
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meets her meets Villable like that that's all no rules
apply there. And I kind of feel like the problem
with the Bachelor is they do end up choosing people
who they think, Like that's all I can blame it on,
is like are they choosing people that they think genuinely
want to find love because they shouldn't be doing that.
They should be choosing people who are drama. And I
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love Charity. Charity is an incredible person with a career
and a life and a family who's interesting and cares
about her and friends who are normal. But is she
going to bring drama? Like when they said Charity was
the Bachelor the Bachelorette, I almost felt like she first
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of all shouldn't be doing that because she should be
like out meeting people who are professional and worthy of her.
But second of all, like there's not going to be
drama at least at least with Gabby and Rachel, Like
there was like a little bit of like messiness, Like
there was a little bit of like, um, Gabby's rough
around the edges, the roughness around that, you know, and
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it's like Zach has no messiness Charity definitely has no messiness,
and I'm not necessarily pumped unless but then this is
the thing too, unless Charity gets like a batch of
men who are crazy and fucked up. But then I'm
just gonna feel bad for her, you know what I mean. Like,
and there's definite gonna be a scene where she's like
enough enough fighting, I know. Well. I also felt like
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some of the girls and when watching them the Women
tell All, I was like, I think some of these
girls actually were just auditioning for Bachelor in Paradise, like Brooklyn,
like looking back, doing the lookbacks whatever. Brooklyn kept popping
into all the drama and like commenting and being like sorry,
I said it, Like that's just what I was thinking,
And it's like, Okay, I think she just wants to
be on Bachelor in Paradise and she belongs there and
she deserves it. I think Christina obviously belongs in Bachelor
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and Paradise because she's fully unhinged, loved, loved, like I
just love the personality disorders that make up wanting and
being on this show. Yeah, and I think, what is
the bachelor's name again, Zach? Zach? He's so bland, He's
such a jess. You give me Jesse Palmer's son Zach taste.
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He is the worst kind of guy. He reminds me
of my famous okay Cupid day where whenever I made
a joke, the good one guy went okay. A girl
will literally be like, ha, I bet this week is
fantasy week and he's like, you crack me up, I know,
and you're like, I hate you, I hate hate you.
I hate you so much. He'll be like, uh, okay,
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what are we doing here? I know, pulling up to
like maple syrup or I'm nervous. I'm a little nervous.
That's a lie. I'm very nervous. I'm like you are
a piece of scotch tape covered in hair from a couch.
I don't know, Like you have no more personality than that. Okay,
But I do think that you were right in your
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statement that him and Gas actually like makes sense together
because they're both like that with like the stupid like humor,
like they kind of belong together. And I think it
would be a favor for them to be together because
then they won't be putting other people through being with them. Yes,
they both are the kind of person that I would
fall asleep looking at but they seem to think the
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other one is charming, which I that's the thing. Okay,
that is the thing. Have charmed. You don't have to
be smart, you don't have to be you just have
to have some charm. Like Pilot Pete. I thought he
was such a bad bachelor and he was so annoying
cause he was like faking being upset all the time
and like you could see him try to cry. But
I remember when I realized that he could be a standout,
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and was when they were doing like rapid dates on
Hannah Brown season and he sat next to her and
he goes, I have a question, will you be my girlfriend?
And I was like, wait, he's fun, Like that's kind
of like a cute move. And and he's like, even
though you're dating a munch of guys like will you
be my girlfriend? And they like kiss and she's like,
oh my god, I will be your girlfriend. But I thought, oh,
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there's something like you know flirty there and Batchelor and Paradise.
We've totally seen guys who have like charm this I mean,
I mean grocery store Joe looks he has he has
it all intelligence, Maybe not but any everything else. He's
got it. He has a twinkle in his eye. It
totally makes sense why multiple girls have like totally fallen
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in love with him, and why one of them like
went to Paradise to try to get him back. But yeah,
this guy is charmless. But I know we're jumping around
a bit, but I do want to revisit Banderpump very quickly. Okay,
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Like I said, you know, being on the road seeing
romantic drama, wanting to be involved in it and not
being a painful feeling. I was also reading a lot
about this Tom Sandoval, this Arianna, this Raquel and and
and loving the storyline. I was and being very frustrated
because you know, over the years, I've slowly been getting
into real houses of New York, real houses of Beverly Hills,
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real house ripes of Miami Potomac, And I thought, why
did I miss the one that had a I don't know,
It's how I felt when I heard about people sleeping
through the Oscar's slap. When I heard about, you know,
people missing out on these big cultural moments, I thought,
that's sad, Like that must that must have not felt
good when you heard it secondhand first, and that's how
I felt reading about Raquel and Tom state of All's Affair.
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So I last night started watching some of the most
recent season, and let me tell you, watching earlier in
this most recent season is incredibly enlightening because of course
you have the best you know back and forth between
Laala and Raquel, like when Raquel is drunk and Lalla
is saying, I wouldn't trust you around, and when you're drinking,
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I wouldn't trust you're on any man of mine, and
Raquel has honestly really funny bottle where she says, well,
thank god you don't have a man around. And but
there's also a point where Raquel is she is getting bullied.
Is she a good person? Probably no, it does not
look like it. But she is getting bullied and she
has a full blown panic attack. And I actually was like,
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I think she is having a panic attack, like she
seems so overwhelmed, and she's like, I'm a mess, I'm
a mess, and the girls ye ya ya, but the girls,
but no, you're not. No, you're not. She was like, no,
I really am, and I know I'm actually a really
bad PERSONA Literally, there's definitely an angle of that, but
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there's so much treachery going on, like how she's asking
Tom Schwartz to kiss her, but in the meantime we
know that she's just using this as like, I don't know,
some kind of red herring because she is secretly sleeping
with Tom Stannibal, who in episodes is wearing the lightning
bolt necklace that we know and the lightning bolt earring.
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By the way, so psych prodict. I was with a
friend who really thinks he's attractive, and I wanted to
get your temperature on that because I think he looks
like a Vegas. No, no, no, he's He's always been
discussing to me. Tom Schwartz is someone that I do
find like talk about the charm. I don't know if attractive.
He's mysteriously attractive, but maybe something happened to him at birth,
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like that he like lost oxygen at a certain point,
because he he's like a little bit like blue sometimes. Well,
I think that's like an opioid thing, Like there was
some sort of blind items a few years ago about
like him doing opioids, And it does kind of make
sense because it's like he can turn really mean and
dark really quickly and then the rest of the time,
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he's like the most jovial, charming, like, ah, shucks, I
wish I didn't throw away my whole marriage, but kay,
do you look great? You know? And you're like wait
what But I don't know if you saw it. There's
like this video that came out of a tmzero reporter
like approaching him in the airport, and I've never seen
someone be so amicable to a TMZ person, Like he's like, hey, man, yeah,
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the guy's like so so crazy what happened with Arian
and Tom? And and Swartz is like, oh yeah, I know.
It's just you know, I think Tom really feels like
a piece of shit, and he is a piece of shit.
And I'm like, okay, what are you're doing? I know,
but in a way I was just like, wait, you're
so sweet and charming, like I don't know, and I
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can't like resist his weird, like boyish thing where he's like, man,
I really hope Arian is doing okay, and You're like, wait,
you're sweet. Tom Sandoval. I've never found charming. I think
he's so annoying. I think he's fake and full of shit.
That's the other thing. It's like Shorts always seemed like
authentic to his personality, and Jacks, I feel like, is
like authentically a total psychopath. But Tom is like a fake.
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I think like he sucks and he's not. This is
the thing about him. This is the thing about him.
He pretends he's a good guy. Like this thing that's
circulating too from a previous season where it's the year
it's Ariana's birthday, the birthday after her dad died, and
she's like upset because it's her going to be her
birthday and her dad just died and whatever, and he
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tells her he's like, I love you so much and
I want to always be there for you. But on
your birthday, Jack's invited me to go do monster Trucks
and Vegas, and so he does the whole thing of like, Okay, listen,
I love you so much, I want to show up
for you, but also I'm just going to be selfish,
whereas Jack's will be like, yeah, I fucked someone else, Okay,
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get the fuck over it, and Shortz will be like, yeah,
I know, I'm selfish, piece of shit like Santavo's fake,
fuck you and you're not a good person. And I
bet that the most painful thing about this to him
is that he doesn't look like a good guy. And
I'm glad he doesn't, and I hope he never looks
like a good guy again, and I hope that that
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kills him inside. I do think that Tom Schwartz, and
apologies to people who are listening to this for the
second time. Do you think Tom Schwartz knew? Yes? Um, yes,
I think he knew. There's no way he didn't. Like,
do you think he was complicit and helping them cover
it up? Because he seems he's not capable of that.
That's the thing, like that they're not. They're all getting
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wasted every single day. The fact that Sandoval and Raquel
were able to hide this is the biggest mystery of
it all because it's like, how but but Sandoval doesn't
get that fucked up. Raquel gets really fucked up, So
I don't. I really don't know how she hit it.
But um Swartz, if he had that secret, like he
would have been fucking loose lipping that to like random
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strangers on the street. He would be like at Bravo
con talking to like a horde of fans, being like, man,
I don't know what to know because my best friend
is hooking up with Raquel and he's good. Ariana like,
I don't know. So I also wanted to talk briefly
about Katie Maloney um in this most recent season ten
where she goes to Vegas and you know she's been
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in a relationship in marriage for twelve years. I love
watching a rusty girl flirt because she is at you know,
a bar in Vegas and the grossest guys maybe I've
ever seen in my life covered in texts handle bar, mustache,
truck or hat like in Vegas. Like anyone who looks
like that is so much worse just being in Vegas.
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They're like, hey, what's up? And she looks at them
as literally as though they just proposed like that, she
run away with them. She goes okay, Hi, slowly brings
out a hand like Hi, yeah, okay, and they're like
you want to drink and she's like, um, sure, and
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you're like you're making this something. It's really not. At
the end there, she's like, do you want to get
my number? And I'm like I need I need someone
to set you down and talk to you, how talk
you through how to like how to flirt again? And
then they have a divorce party. That is one of
the sadder her in Lala, That's one of the sadder
things I've ever seen in my life. Like there's a
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pinata with his head on it that they hit with
Tom Schwartz's head on it they hit. Yeah, there's three
people there. There's like these plastic cups that are like
divorce party bitches, and the sky is overcast. They're all
in like their pajamas from the night before. If they're
out at a club, if it was Camille Grammar like
gyrating on the side of a club, I at least
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would be like, Okay, this is sad and crazy, but like,
at least they look like they're having fun. Yes, Katie
Maloney literally looks like this isn't the most dismal thing
I've ever seen. And Lawa Kent is Lauren from Utah.
And as someone said while watching last night, they said,
this cast has the worst tattoos out of any franchise.
And Bravo like Katie Maloney's cheetah print tattoo la La
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eight one eight tattoo on her shoulder. Listen. One of
the worst qualities about me as a person is that
I like Katie's cheetah print tattoo and have envy today.
Do you know it's so funny. I have a scar
on the side of my head and I was like,
really want to to get cheetah print tattooed on it,
just to like sneak out the long hair once in
a while. But then I saw Katie's tattoo and I
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thought to share that with a star of vanderpump Rolls
would be hard for me. Well, I think that if
Scandabal never happened, and I mean now, now that's now,
that's a really interesting So there's another universe where this
didn't and you know, people are good, and there's another
universe where Tom Skannibal's band is doing really well, the
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most extras are doing well. Yeah, I think so if
this had never happened, I put myself this is This
is also, by the way, just something about me currently
right now. I'm doing a lot of work on myself.
I'm trying to I'm trying to expand my consciousness, grow
my understanding of things. So I did pause. I did
people say there's miracle and pause and I paus. I
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paused for a few seconds um after watching the latest episode,
and I thought what would I have thought about this
episode had Scandal all never happened. And the truth is
I would have been totally on board with Charlie with
an Eye and Raquel, because first of all, I love
Charlie and she's like every every scene that Charlie's in,
she just brings fun to Like she's either being like Okay,
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let's do shots, or she's like creating drama or talking
about like how she's never eaten pasta. So I would
have been totally on board with Like they're the two
like younger girls there. They're at this like lamest most boring,
like married divorce party where they're like, yeah, we're not
really gonna like get out of our pajamas and like,
and Charlie and Raquel being like, actually, I think we're
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gonna go like have the time of our lives and
like hook up with some guys who cares. I would
have been like, great, even though I do think it's
fucked up for Raquel with Shorts, I would have also
given her the grace that she was in like a
fucked up abusive relationship with James. Shorts is single, she
doesn't know Katie that well. She wants to get hers.
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I would have been like, she wants to get hers,
she wants to go to the boys party. That sucks,
but it's like kind of fun that they did that,
and by the way, it created drama and there was
no other drama otherwise, like the fact that they were like, Okay, actually,
by we're gonna go to the boys party. But now,
given the light that's been shed on on the monster
that is Rachel levis Marquel oh and we're really is Rachel? Yeah? Um,
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I I cannot support what they did. I cannot support
with Charlie did, because Charlie was operating with the information
she had, you know, like she's like, let's just get out.
But also watching this for the first time with the
knowledge that has been shown, as you said, watching Tom
Standival's bad acting when he's like, whoa what are you guys?
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You know boy night. Yeah. I did hate slash Love
when Marquel was talking about James and you know, they
are a final straw, which I was upset it wasn't
on camera, but she was talking about how like you
went to her parents at Thanksgiving was awful and then
she's like and then on camera she's like yeah, and
then he called my mom a fat bitch and all
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the stuff, and I was like, maybe save that for
like off camera. And then they show a picture of
the mom. I'm like, didn't need to show the picture.
Didn't actually need to show the picture. Why are we
trying to do with the mom's dirty like that? If
someone was like, Carolina, he's you know, he's so mean.
He called you like a fat, ugly horror, I would
have been like, maybe just say horror. Like, I don't know,
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why do we have to know all of I don't
want to know all this. It's not on camera. Do
you know that that's actually not her mom? By the way,
it's like her mom's her mom is what is not true? Wait?
I have to find this because it's kind of funny.
I mean it's not funny, but it's like her mom
like couldn't get pregnant or something, so her friend like
had a baby and gave it to her. And so
her mom's friend had a baby and gave it to her. Susan, Oh,
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this is like our dream, isn't it, Like we don't
have to be pregnant and someone just hands us a baby,
um and it. She also has a grandma named Buttons. Okay,
this is a quote. Like when we were in the
group chat that I was talking about with Hallie on
the episode, and Hallie was talking about how Raquel is
like Ai, Like, she's like chat GBT of Vanderpump Rules.
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She's just like a compilation of like different characters from
the Vanderpump Rules franchise put into a robot. So she
was like, So Hallie was sending quotes from like articles
that sounded like it was written by Ai. So this
is a quote from Raquel. My biological mom, Susan, gave
birth to Kate before me, and then Susan accidentally got
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pregnant again right around the time my aunt Laura was
trying to conceive. Susan was generous enough to offer to
have me for my aunt. So Susan is her birth
mom and Laura is the woman who raised her. So
I think Laura is the fat bitch according to James Sure,
and Susan is like in her life somehow too, but
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I'm not really sure to what extent I mean. I'm
sad for Raquel. I do want to say this, like
I am worried for how real we treat these things
in terms of the public's response. The fact that she's
getting death threats against her is insane, but that's just
like part of being in reality TV. That's true too,
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but it isn't it a crazy part of just being human.
It's like how Selena Gomez if she ever hidden at
anyone like being mean to her, Like people get docks
and have to like leave their homes. I'm like, I'm like, please,
like go after someone else, Like there are times to
be extreme, like not to a Ginny and Georgia writer
who wrote a bad joke about Taylor Swift, like you know,
dating too much. Yeah, but I mean, I'm like, I'm
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like trying to justify it because meanwhile, you go to
Raquel's Instagram and there's like death threats from me and
the comments, well, some people you know think that what
she did was, you know, worthy of being executed. It's
me commenting on Raquel's instagram. Your mom is not your
real mom, but she's still a bafie. So yeah, so
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we can understand Raquel's behavior some of it because James
is so fucked up. He's so gross. The British thing
I'm going to say something controversial. It also bothers me
his accent I like the accent, and like I will
say he does in earlier seasons, he does at some
points get you, like, I think he's really charming, like
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in a sociopathic way, where in earlier seasons sometimes like
when he cries about like how he was bullying and stuff, like,
there were moments when I was like, oh my god, wait,
is James like sweet? And no he's not, obviously, but
it's funny because James thinks that this has redeemed him
of everything even though he cheated. That's what annoys me too.
It's like, Okay, he cheated on Raquel with La La,
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and La La cheated on Raquel with James, like, which
is okay, so you're just gonna pretend that never happened.
And then Lalla's like it was six years to go.
It's like that's not that long. That pretty big deal too.
And also if you watch the earlier seasons, like Raquel
is very insecure by how like James flirts with Lala
and they both completely like gaslight her about it. Anyway,
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the point is James is like acting like now he's
like one of the victims of this situation. And Kristin
Dowdy posted like an International Women's Day thing with like
her and Arianna and all the girls, And James commented
this with like the raising hands as if he's like,
oh mg, girl bosses, this international and slay And I'm like,
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you are calling Susan or no, you're calling Laura a
fat bitch and then you're saying this to international Women's
A vide also observes International Women's Day. Thank you for observing,
Thank you for standing with us in our community of women. Yeah,
I'm very interested to watch the rest of these episodes.
A'm gonna love to see how Lisa vander Pump inserts herself.
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I've never seen such acting as least of vander Pump
on the beginning of this show. By the way, it's
as if like she kin yeah, oh yeah, She'll like
totally like Lipcloss will look at them like literally from
the hostess bars if that's where she's working, and kind
of be like, hmm, it looks like Jack since Stasi
are fighting, Um, I do love Stacy. I want to
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give a shout out to her, just for the exchange
where they're fighting in front of people, all of their
best friends quote unquote, and um Jack says, yeah, something
the couch because I'd rather sleep on the couch than
get in bed with the devil. And Katie is like,
oh Jack's and Saucy looks at him with a stare
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that could freeze you to death in your tracks and goes,
I am the devil, and don't you ever forget it?
And I thought I thought a star was born was born.
She really pulled it together. I'm glad you said quote
best friends unquote, because it is so crazy when you
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do a rewatch, which I have been doing a Vanderpump rules,
like these people have treated each other like they are
so awful to each other. When you watch the new
teaser midseason teaser that was released that shows all of
these people inside sir watching Lisa Vanderpump giving a tearful
speech about how their lives are falling apart, it's like
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they're all so interconnected and they're all so awful to
each other, but yet they all like stay friends somehow.
It's like they've all found each other in this weird
little universe and they can't really make friends outside of it,
and they say the worst shit ever about each other,
and then when something bad happens, they're like, you will
(28:44):
never disrespect my friend. And it's like, didn't you just
say that she's a piece of shit and that Katie
and Tom shouldn't be getting married and that Katie is tequila,
Katie and Tom is abusive and all like it's just
it's so uh, it's really something else. It's also tragic,
(29:05):
how I mean, no, tragic is the wrong word. They're
chasing fame so hard when the season one, so they
kind of find out like this is life and you know,
this is the role I chose. None of them are
going to be famous for. There's literally like being famous
when her shit, Like I mean where I asked, Like
Kristen says at one point when I win my oscar.
When I win my oscar, she says, it's not great. Listen.
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She's she is a published author. She wrote a book
called He's Making You Crazy. Also Shana singing in the
first the Pilot and saying that I used to get
mistaken for Britney Spears at the mall when I was
a kid because I look exactly like her, and her
saying I'm not a singer, I'm a performer, and then
her literally just doing poor. I was like, this is
(29:53):
a scam, like we're watching someone get like sexually exploited,
like THENK being like, now you're doing porn star voices
and she's just going like yeah in the microphone, and
I thought, this is making lu Anne like comfortable somewhere.
Luanna's watching the summer and going, oh, thank god, it
wasn't that bad. I know, there's there's so many people
on vander Pump who attempt singing, Like I hate to
(30:15):
say this because she's going through so much right now,
but there there is a moment where Ariana tries to
sing and it's really upsetting. But also I noticed too
that Lala, So Lala did this song um where the
only lyrics are turned musica play lad like this exactly
like that that's how she feels like that, and play
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lad like this. No, but I didn't like it, but
they ended up using it as like the filler music
for a couple of scenes, you know, when when the
scene changes and it's like sunsetple odd lights flash flash,
like they use that play loud like this sometimes and
I'm like, oh, it's Laa, Oh, I'm familiar with this artist.
(30:57):
I m am a little bit work Like Lala's life
is very dark. I know it's upsetting again. Lala is
one that There's been moments where I've hated her, and
I've really hated like the whole My man, my man,
he's buying me Gucci sides. My man is like I can't.
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But then she is a huge hypocrite. She cries and
gets real sometimes in moments where I'm like, wait, I
actually love you, and like, I do think she's a
really this is the thing that I'll say about Lala.
I do think she's a really good friend to the
people she cares about. And I think the same thing
about Stasie to a certain extent, but I can't say
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that for the rest of them, Like I don't think
they necessarily show up for each other in that way.
But yeah, Laala is a hypocrite. I think she's very insecure,
but she wants to present as like I don't give
a fuck, like whatever, But I think she's much more
fragile than she lets on. Yeah, she did have a
poem she was accidentally a feminist for a second when
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she was talking about you know, being a quote unquote mistress,
and she was like, so I'm going to get blamed
for a man's decision, and I was like, babe, let's
refocus the conversation. You're literally accusing Raquel of like well
and listen, she's not wrong. That's the thing is that
Lala did have the female intuition that we all have
and that we all get clued into at a certain point,
(32:23):
which is in RuPaul's world. Something in this milking it right.
Something is not right here, something is not safe around
this person. Yeah. I was recently, and this is maybe
a brag. I was recently called a girls girl and
I hadn't heard that phrase in so long, and I
held it close to my heart because I was like,
that is what we are looking for. That is what
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we're looking for to be safe in this world. And
you can always identify someone who liked Shana. In the
last episode of episode ten, I watch who is like,
I'm one of the guys. It's guy's night, but i
am there because I'm basically one of the guys, and
You're like, no, you're actually my least favorite kind of woman.
Shena is the most painful to watch as a as
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a full spectrum character. From rewatching every season, she has
the least amount of redeeming moments and there's actually moments
where like it just continues to get so much worse,
and you're like, is it really possible that someone's personality
is this bad? Like it's it's actually hard to believe
that someone's personality can be so bad. But yet she's
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also a hero in many ways. If she did attack
Raquel the way she says, But I guess more will
be revealed in the areas as always revealed, as it
always is. And thus it was said. And I do
want to say that I'm very happy to be joined
this franchise. I feel welcomed by the community, I feel
excited by through Romance listeners, Devil is putting her finger
(33:51):
up like she wants to be called on Devil, because
I just had a thought, which is how beautiful is
this franchise? Vander Pump rules that you have only just begun.
You've watched maybe four episodes, okay, and you already have
this much to say about it? And how much have
we had to say about the fucking the entire season
(34:14):
of Bachelor We talked on here to talk about it,
by the way, and and Devin and I and you
know what we were We were fed up. We were
fed up were tied a bad times up on the Bachelor.
We're done. We are calling this for what it is.
It's not entertaining anymore. It's not and we have given
it more chances than I have given ex boyfriends, and
I have given them lots of chances. So we are
(34:37):
saying times up. We are seeing me too, me too
was affected. I was affected by the Bachelor. Bo that's
not me too, worked right? Me too was affected by
the season of The Bachelor. Yes, and I was. I
was at the Women's Mark March saying two was affected.
Me too, was affected by this Me too? Me too.
I don't like it, me too, but I love me
(34:59):
say me too. I am going to try to watch
the finale episode of the Bachelor because or next week,
because I just want to see the intense drama that
the music and effects that they put into the very
simple thing of a man a straight band saying, I
don't think I'm gonna have sex with any of these
girls because it's not one thing I wanted to see.
(35:20):
And I thought that we can all agree that it's
because he's bad in bed. No, but then he goes
back on it. He's like then he has like a
confessional thing with Jesse where he's like, he's like, I
had sex with someone and you're like, oh my god,
what kind of virginity pack bullshit is this? I know
and like him calling it sex week, and it's just
it's so upsetting. And I will say, Katie, the one
who lives in Austin who had him like put together
(35:42):
her furniture, I actually do like her, and I think
she's like very chill and like normal seeming, and I
think she's kind of funny. I think she just deserves
much better than him, but I like to watch her.
She's like the only redeeming thing at this point because
I don't care about arieal no offense, and I don't
care obviously about Gabby, but I do think he's going
to choose Gabby, so I think so too. I also
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think that putting together furniture is a very good test,
Like that was one of those date situations where I
was like, this is actually cool. In order to get
to know someone, It's like, I do want to see
how you deal with an annoying situation and will you
make it fun? Will you bond with me? Or will
you like complain to say that you directions don't work.
Imagine if he just totally lost his ship and like
(36:25):
started crying because it was so hard, so hard to
put that. Once my college boyfriend started crying because he
was having a hard time getting through to his credit
card company, and I was relate to him. I do
relate to him, but even at the moment, I was like,
this is you're such a baby point being I'm a
baby me too, line baby point being. I cannot wait
(36:49):
to continue checking in about vander Pump. I think that
we should probably check in every episode to do a briefly.
Won't take it over, won't take a thousand percent, but
we need to keep checking in because it's it's too hot.
We have to take We have to say that with
the seas the day, take advantage of this time. Be
(37:10):
grateful for you know, the drama, and we would love
if you all took some time out of your day
to stay informed and find out what's happening and you're
in the world because so many people do not know
what's going on. And by the way, like there's something
(37:30):
to be said for like I said, pausing, don't just
watch the episode. I think I think take a moment
after the episode and really process what's happened, because we
need to pay attention to every single detail, and I
think sometimes you'll find the editors are trying to point
you to certain things, and that's my fingers to my nose.
(37:52):
That's a gift, and we need to give the editors
their due respect by really keying into transitions, the random
shot here and there, What are they grabbing, what are
they picking up on? We need to be there for that.
I highly recommend getting your TikTok algorithm in this space
of vandal Hump, because what's happening is that I'm now
(38:13):
getting just like random clip people, people are doing the
Lord's work, which is going back and finding these moments
from previous seasons that are like foreshadowing. So I think
that's really helpful, like seeing old moments, seeing like, Okay, remember,
we have to hold accountable the fact that this happened,
like we have to as humans, human beings, hold each
other accountable. And that's what people are doing by rewatching
(38:35):
and finding moments that further proof that basically, Ariana's perfect
angel and Sandoval is one of the worst douchebags to
walk this um, this green earth. Here until next time,
I love you, Devin, Love you, Carol. True, It's true.
(39:07):
True man sits a romantic Love me baby, don't leave
me hanging. I want truths.
Hello, Welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina Barlow, this
is Devin Leary. We're back together. We're back together. Listen.
I was on the road. I was shooting a sacred documentary.
On the road. I hate not doing voices anymore like that.
Voices are hard. I mean, listen, I think it's most
(00:37):
natural to go British or go um Australian. I actually, okay, sorry,
never mind, go ahead. I saw a shirt in Walmart
that said me Lucky shirt, and it was about sure
before leaf clover and for the next two weeks, I
stop saying me lucky shirt. That's my culture, that is
your culture. I was on the road, um, and it
(00:59):
was really fun and there was a lot of romantic
drama on the road with the crew, and I got
really invested, and I really realized more than I ever
have in the past two three years being single. I
was like, I need to date because it's not healthy
to be counting on people like I am right now
(01:19):
for them to basically hook up and tell me everything
like that the amount of details I need is simply unhealthy.
I might as well be asking for like a sex stape.
At a certain point, I'm like Okay, So then what
did you do? Okay, so then what's the problem. Okay,
so did he say he loves you? What's the problem?
But I got so invested. It's exactly how watching Bachelor
and the Paradise affected me, where I was in a
(01:41):
bad mood for a day because I thought, Noah and Abigail,
you know, we're head broken up and that's just not
a healthy way to live. And you have to really,
I don't know, but you have to live for yourself.
But we need Bachelor in Paradise, Like nothing's been more
clear to me. And in doing the chore of watching
(02:04):
The Bachelor so that we can talk about it, which
it is a chore this season, I have thought nothing
more than we need Bachelor in Paradise. And also like,
how is this even the same franchise because it's just
like so boring in comparison. That is such a good point.
And the patterns are getting old. Fantasy Week is getting old,
(02:25):
Meeting the parents is getting old. Doing a stupid fucking
themed date based on your hometown. I'm done with it all. Literally,
give me something, give me something new. I don't know
what it could be, but it didn't make me think
of Tatia's COVID dates in terms of when everyone was
just at their wits end trying to keep contestants safe
(02:45):
from COVID and have something fun to do. They'd be like,
we're gonna go to my fake ice cream parlor. Like
it was literally like kids playing house. I know, and
we watched and to think that we watched everyone something
that we watched that, and also to think that, like
I in watching The After Sorry I keep confusing it
with After the Final Rows, watching The Women Tell All
(03:09):
they do like those montages of like it's just too long.
This is the thing they do those montages and after
in The Women Tell All where it's like all the
drama that happened this season with this person and with
that person, and it's like, oh, that actually is kind
of crazy, Like that actually is like a lot of
stuff that happened, but it was so drawn out and
(03:29):
it was so like few and far between, and like
Jesse Palmer is making Chris Harrison look charismatic and talented,
which is such a feat. He's making Chris Harrison like
I'm like, I can't believe I'm riding for Chris Harrison,
but I can't believe I'm recognizing Chris Harrison as someone
who did a good job at anything besides putting on
a suit. It's also insane, like I said, like, how
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is it the same franchise, because it's insane to think
that the same Like producers that had Lil John as
a guest host on Bachelor in Paradise and had like
David Spade where like all the girls were like hitting
on David Spade and like trying to hook up with him,
is also responsible for this wax figure. AI like he's
(04:14):
like a cardboard cutout of like a reject college football player.
And I don't know where he came from or who
he is, or where he's gonna go, where he's going
to go after this but or what the universe is
going to do with him, or what happens after people
like that, you know, die. It's like I don't think,
I don't think Heaven. I don't think Hell. I think
some other place, some place, you know, the matrix factory
(04:35):
where things are brought to them. Yeah, so I just
don't understand. But I was loving he must have gotten
a note if I'm sure you noticed in the in
the Women tell All. I think he got a note
that was like, you need to like inflect more, because
he started doing like those voices where he's like and
coming up. Oh yeah, you better believe it. We got Blooper.
(04:57):
It's like just doing like inflections for no reason and
like trying to make his voice like go up, and
it was like so jarring. It was like wait, what um,
but she's going to lose the easiest job in America.
He should. I hope he does. He will. It's bleak.
The producers are doing a bad job. The ratings suck,
(05:18):
and it's because they chose a fucking turred candidate. I
really think this is a show we could produce, Yes,
but also what are they thinking, because it's like this
is what something we were just talking about, which is
like the rules of the outside world do not apply
(05:38):
in the reality TV world. For example, in the Scandal
All Affair, people are saying, oh, you can't be on
Shena's side. If Shena hit Raquel, you can't be on
Sheina's side because like it's never okay to hit someone.
It's like no, no, no, it's never okay to hit
someone in the real world. In this world, on this
corner of Hollywood, Boulevard or some at bolevard where Pump
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meets her meets Villable like that that's all no rules
apply there. And I kind of feel like the problem
with the Bachelor is they do end up choosing people
who they think, Like that's all I can blame it on,
is like are they choosing people that they think genuinely
want to find love because they shouldn't be doing that.
They should be choosing people who are drama. And I
(06:24):
love Charity. Charity is an incredible person with a career
and a life and a family who's interesting and cares
about her and friends who are normal. But is she
going to bring drama? Like when they said Charity was
the Bachelor the Bachelorette, I almost felt like she first
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of all shouldn't be doing that because she should be
like out meeting people who are professional and worthy of her.
But second of all, like there's not going to be
drama at least at least with Gabby and Rachel, Like
there was like a little bit of like messiness, Like
there was a little bit of like, um, Gabby's rough
around the edges, the roughness around that, you know, and
(07:05):
it's like Zach has no messiness Charity definitely has no messiness,
and I'm not necessarily pumped unless but then this is
the thing too, unless Charity gets like a batch of
men who are crazy and fucked up. But then I'm
just gonna feel bad for her, you know what I mean. Like,
and there's definite gonna be a scene where she's like
enough enough fighting, I know. Well. I also felt like
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some of the girls and when watching them the Women
tell All, I was like, I think some of these
girls actually were just auditioning for Bachelor in Paradise, like Brooklyn,
like looking back, doing the lookbacks whatever. Brooklyn kept popping
into all the drama and like commenting and being like sorry,
I said it, Like that's just what I was thinking,
And it's like, Okay, I think she just wants to
be on Bachelor in Paradise and she belongs there and
she deserves it. I think Christina obviously belongs in Bachelor
(07:52):
and Paradise because she's fully unhinged, loved, loved, like I
just love the personality disorders that make up wanting and
being on this show. Yeah, and I think, what is
the bachelor's name again, Zach? Zach? He's so bland, He's
such a jess. You give me Jesse Palmer's son Zach taste.
(08:16):
He is the worst kind of guy. He reminds me
of my famous okay Cupid day where whenever I made
a joke, the good one guy went okay. A girl
will literally be like, ha, I bet this week is
fantasy week and he's like, you crack me up, I know,
and you're like, I hate you, I hate hate you.
I hate you so much. He'll be like, uh, okay,
(08:37):
what are we doing here? I know, pulling up to
like maple syrup or I'm nervous. I'm a little nervous.
That's a lie. I'm very nervous. I'm like you are
a piece of scotch tape covered in hair from a couch.
I don't know, Like you have no more personality than that. Okay,
But I do think that you were right in your
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statement that him and Gas actually like makes sense together
because they're both like that with like the stupid like humor,
like they kind of belong together. And I think it
would be a favor for them to be together because
then they won't be putting other people through being with them. Yes,
they both are the kind of person that I would
fall asleep looking at but they seem to think the
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other one is charming, which I that's the thing. Okay,
that is the thing. Have charmed. You don't have to
be smart, you don't have to be you just have
to have some charm. Like Pilot Pete. I thought he
was such a bad bachelor and he was so annoying
cause he was like faking being upset all the time
and like you could see him try to cry. But
I remember when I realized that he could be a standout,
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and was when they were doing like rapid dates on
Hannah Brown season and he sat next to her and
he goes, I have a question, will you be my girlfriend?
And I was like, wait, he's fun, Like that's kind
of like a cute move. And and he's like, even
though you're dating a munch of guys like will you
be my girlfriend? And they like kiss and she's like,
oh my god, I will be your girlfriend. But I thought, oh,
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there's something like you know flirty there and Batchelor and Paradise.
We've totally seen guys who have like charm this I mean,
I mean grocery store Joe looks he has he has
it all intelligence, Maybe not but any everything else. He's
got it. He has a twinkle in his eye. It
totally makes sense why multiple girls have like totally fallen
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in love with him, and why one of them like
went to Paradise to try to get him back. But yeah,
this guy is charmless. But I know we're jumping around
a bit, but I do want to revisit Banderpump very quickly. Okay,
(10:44):
Like I said, you know, being on the road seeing
romantic drama, wanting to be involved in it and not
being a painful feeling. I was also reading a lot
about this Tom Sandoval, this Arianna, this Raquel and and
and loving the storyline. I was and being very frustrated
because you know, over the years, I've slowly been getting
into real houses of New York, real houses of Beverly Hills,
(11:07):
real house ripes of Miami Potomac, And I thought, why
did I miss the one that had a I don't know,
It's how I felt when I heard about people sleeping
through the Oscar's slap. When I heard about, you know,
people missing out on these big cultural moments, I thought,
that's sad, Like that must that must have not felt
good when you heard it secondhand first, and that's how
I felt reading about Raquel and Tom state of All's Affair.
(11:30):
So I last night started watching some of the most
recent season, and let me tell you, watching earlier in
this most recent season is incredibly enlightening because of course
you have the best you know back and forth between
Laala and Raquel, like when Raquel is drunk and Lalla
is saying, I wouldn't trust you around, and when you're drinking,
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I wouldn't trust you're on any man of mine, and
Raquel has honestly really funny bottle where she says, well,
thank god you don't have a man around. And but
there's also a point where Raquel is she is getting bullied.
Is she a good person? Probably no, it does not
look like it. But she is getting bullied and she
has a full blown panic attack. And I actually was like,
(12:16):
I think she is having a panic attack, like she
seems so overwhelmed, and she's like, I'm a mess, I'm
a mess, and the girls ye ya ya, but the girls,
but no, you're not. No, you're not. She was like, no,
I really am, and I know I'm actually a really
bad PERSONA Literally, there's definitely an angle of that, but
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there's so much treachery going on, like how she's asking
Tom Schwartz to kiss her, but in the meantime we
know that she's just using this as like, I don't know,
some kind of red herring because she is secretly sleeping
with Tom Stannibal, who in episodes is wearing the lightning
bolt necklace that we know and the lightning bolt earring.
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By the way, so psych prodict. I was with a
friend who really thinks he's attractive, and I wanted to
get your temperature on that because I think he looks
like a Vegas. No, no, no, he's He's always been
discussing to me. Tom Schwartz is someone that I do
find like talk about the charm. I don't know if attractive.
He's mysteriously attractive, but maybe something happened to him at birth,
(13:18):
like that he like lost oxygen at a certain point,
because he he's like a little bit like blue sometimes. Well,
I think that's like an opioid thing, Like there was
some sort of blind items a few years ago about
like him doing opioids, And it does kind of make
sense because it's like he can turn really mean and
dark really quickly and then the rest of the time,
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he's like the most jovial, charming, like, ah, shucks, I
wish I didn't throw away my whole marriage, but kay,
do you look great? You know? And you're like wait
what But I don't know if you saw it. There's
like this video that came out of a tmzero reporter
like approaching him in the airport, and I've never seen
someone be so amicable to a TMZ person, Like he's like, hey, man, yeah,
(14:04):
the guy's like so so crazy what happened with Arian
and Tom? And and Swartz is like, oh yeah, I know.
It's just you know, I think Tom really feels like
a piece of shit, and he is a piece of shit.
And I'm like, okay, what are you're doing? I know,
but in a way I was just like, wait, you're
so sweet and charming, like I don't know, and I
(14:25):
can't like resist his weird, like boyish thing where he's like, man,
I really hope Arian is doing okay, and You're like, wait,
you're sweet. Tom Sandoval. I've never found charming. I think
he's so annoying. I think he's fake and full of shit.
That's the other thing. It's like Shorts always seemed like
authentic to his personality, and Jacks, I feel like, is
like authentically a total psychopath. But Tom is like a fake.
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I think like he sucks and he's not. This is
the thing about him. This is the thing about him.
He pretends he's a good guy. Like this thing that's
circulating too from a previous season where it's the year
it's Ariana's birthday, the birthday after her dad died, and
she's like upset because it's her going to be her
birthday and her dad just died and whatever, and he
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tells her he's like, I love you so much and
I want to always be there for you. But on
your birthday, Jack's invited me to go do monster Trucks
and Vegas, and so he does the whole thing of like, Okay, listen,
I love you so much, I want to show up
for you, but also I'm just going to be selfish,
whereas Jack's will be like, yeah, I fucked someone else, Okay,
(15:30):
get the fuck over it, and Shortz will be like, yeah,
I know, I'm selfish, piece of shit like Santavo's fake,
fuck you and you're not a good person. And I
bet that the most painful thing about this to him
is that he doesn't look like a good guy. And
I'm glad he doesn't, and I hope he never looks
like a good guy again, and I hope that that
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kills him inside. I do think that Tom Schwartz, and
apologies to people who are listening to this for the
second time. Do you think Tom Schwartz knew? Yes? Um, yes,
I think he knew. There's no way he didn't. Like,
do you think he was complicit and helping them cover
it up? Because he seems he's not capable of that.
That's the thing, like that they're not. They're all getting
(16:14):
wasted every single day. The fact that Sandoval and Raquel
were able to hide this is the biggest mystery of
it all because it's like, how but but Sandoval doesn't
get that fucked up. Raquel gets really fucked up, So
I don't. I really don't know how she hit it.
But um Swartz, if he had that secret, like he
would have been fucking loose lipping that to like random
(16:37):
strangers on the street. He would be like at Bravo
con talking to like a horde of fans, being like, man,
I don't know what to know because my best friend
is hooking up with Raquel and he's good. Ariana like,
I don't know. So I also wanted to talk briefly
about Katie Maloney um in this most recent season ten
where she goes to Vegas and you know she's been
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in a relationship in marriage for twelve years. I love
watching a rusty girl flirt because she is at you know,
a bar in Vegas and the grossest guys maybe I've
ever seen in my life covered in texts handle bar, mustache,
truck or hat like in Vegas. Like anyone who looks
like that is so much worse just being in Vegas.
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They're like, hey, what's up? And she looks at them
as literally as though they just proposed like that, she
run away with them. She goes okay, Hi, slowly brings
out a hand like Hi, yeah, okay, and they're like
you want to drink and she's like, um, sure, and
(17:42):
you're like you're making this something. It's really not. At
the end there, she's like, do you want to get
my number? And I'm like I need I need someone
to set you down and talk to you, how talk
you through how to like how to flirt again? And
then they have a divorce party. That is one of
the sadder her in Lala, That's one of the sadder
things I've ever seen in my life. Like there's a
(18:02):
pinata with his head on it that they hit with
Tom Schwartz's head on it they hit. Yeah, there's three
people there. There's like these plastic cups that are like
divorce party bitches, and the sky is overcast. They're all
in like their pajamas from the night before. If they're
out at a club, if it was Camille Grammar like
gyrating on the side of a club, I at least
(18:22):
would be like, Okay, this is sad and crazy, but like,
at least they look like they're having fun. Yes, Katie
Maloney literally looks like this isn't the most dismal thing
I've ever seen. And Lawa Kent is Lauren from Utah.
And as someone said while watching last night, they said,
this cast has the worst tattoos out of any franchise.
And Bravo like Katie Maloney's cheetah print tattoo la La
(18:44):
eight one eight tattoo on her shoulder. Listen. One of
the worst qualities about me as a person is that
I like Katie's cheetah print tattoo and have envy today.
Do you know it's so funny. I have a scar
on the side of my head and I was like,
really want to to get cheetah print tattooed on it,
just to like sneak out the long hair once in
a while. But then I saw Katie's tattoo and I
(19:07):
thought to share that with a star of vanderpump Rolls
would be hard for me. Well, I think that if
Scandabal never happened, and I mean now, now that's now,
that's a really interesting So there's another universe where this
didn't and you know, people are good, and there's another
universe where Tom Skannibal's band is doing really well, the
(19:29):
most extras are doing well. Yeah, I think so if
this had never happened, I put myself this is This
is also, by the way, just something about me currently
right now. I'm doing a lot of work on myself.
I'm trying to I'm trying to expand my consciousness, grow
my understanding of things. So I did pause. I did
people say there's miracle and pause and I paus. I
(19:53):
paused for a few seconds um after watching the latest episode,
and I thought what would I have thought about this
episode had Scandal all never happened. And the truth is
I would have been totally on board with Charlie with
an Eye and Raquel, because first of all, I love
Charlie and she's like every every scene that Charlie's in,
she just brings fun to Like she's either being like Okay,
(20:15):
let's do shots, or she's like creating drama or talking
about like how she's never eaten pasta. So I would
have been totally on board with Like they're the two
like younger girls there. They're at this like lamest most boring,
like married divorce party where they're like, yeah, we're not
really gonna like get out of our pajamas and like,
and Charlie and Raquel being like, actually, I think we're
(20:37):
gonna go like have the time of our lives and
like hook up with some guys who cares. I would
have been like, great, even though I do think it's
fucked up for Raquel with Shorts, I would have also
given her the grace that she was in like a
fucked up abusive relationship with James. Shorts is single, she
doesn't know Katie that well. She wants to get hers.
(20:57):
I would have been like, she wants to get hers,
she wants to go to the boys party. That sucks,
but it's like kind of fun that they did that,
and by the way, it created drama and there was
no other drama otherwise, like the fact that they were like, Okay, actually,
by we're gonna go to the boys party. But now,
given the light that's been shed on on the monster
that is Rachel levis Marquel oh and we're really is Rachel? Yeah? Um,
(21:21):
I I cannot support what they did. I cannot support
with Charlie did, because Charlie was operating with the information
she had, you know, like she's like, let's just get out.
But also watching this for the first time with the
knowledge that has been shown, as you said, watching Tom
Standival's bad acting when he's like, whoa what are you guys?
(21:43):
You know boy night. Yeah. I did hate slash Love
when Marquel was talking about James and you know, they
are a final straw, which I was upset it wasn't
on camera, but she was talking about how like you
went to her parents at Thanksgiving was awful and then
she's like and then on camera she's like yeah, and
then he called my mom a fat bitch and all
(22:03):
the stuff, and I was like, maybe save that for
like off camera. And then they show a picture of
the mom. I'm like, didn't need to show the picture.
Didn't actually need to show the picture. Why are we
trying to do with the mom's dirty like that? If
someone was like, Carolina, he's you know, he's so mean.
He called you like a fat, ugly horror, I would
have been like, maybe just say horror. Like, I don't know,
(22:24):
why do we have to know all of I don't
want to know all this. It's not on camera. Do
you know that that's actually not her mom? By the way,
it's like her mom's her mom is what is not true? Wait?
I have to find this because it's kind of funny.
I mean it's not funny, but it's like her mom
like couldn't get pregnant or something, so her friend like
had a baby and gave it to her. And so
her mom's friend had a baby and gave it to her. Susan, Oh,
(22:48):
this is like our dream, isn't it, Like we don't
have to be pregnant and someone just hands us a baby,
um and it. She also has a grandma named Buttons. Okay,
this is a quote. Like when we were in the
group chat that I was talking about with Hallie on
the episode, and Hallie was talking about how Raquel is
like Ai, Like, she's like chat GBT of Vanderpump Rules.
(23:11):
She's just like a compilation of like different characters from
the Vanderpump Rules franchise put into a robot. So she
was like, So Hallie was sending quotes from like articles
that sounded like it was written by Ai. So this
is a quote from Raquel. My biological mom, Susan, gave
birth to Kate before me, and then Susan accidentally got
(23:31):
pregnant again right around the time my aunt Laura was
trying to conceive. Susan was generous enough to offer to
have me for my aunt. So Susan is her birth
mom and Laura is the woman who raised her. So
I think Laura is the fat bitch according to James Sure,
and Susan is like in her life somehow too, but
(23:54):
I'm not really sure to what extent I mean. I'm
sad for Raquel. I do want to say this, like
I am worried for how real we treat these things
in terms of the public's response. The fact that she's
getting death threats against her is insane, but that's just
like part of being in reality TV. That's true too,
(24:15):
but it isn't it a crazy part of just being human.
It's like how Selena Gomez if she ever hidden at
anyone like being mean to her, Like people get docks
and have to like leave their homes. I'm like, I'm like, please,
like go after someone else, Like there are times to
be extreme, like not to a Ginny and Georgia writer
who wrote a bad joke about Taylor Swift, like you know,
dating too much. Yeah, but I mean, I'm like, I'm
(24:38):
like trying to justify it because meanwhile, you go to
Raquel's Instagram and there's like death threats from me and
the comments, well, some people you know think that what
she did was, you know, worthy of being executed. It's
me commenting on Raquel's instagram. Your mom is not your
real mom, but she's still a bafie. So yeah, so
(25:09):
we can understand Raquel's behavior some of it because James
is so fucked up. He's so gross. The British thing
I'm going to say something controversial. It also bothers me
his accent I like the accent, and like I will
say he does in earlier seasons, he does at some
points get you, like, I think he's really charming, like
(25:30):
in a sociopathic way, where in earlier seasons sometimes like
when he cries about like how he was bullying and stuff, like,
there were moments when I was like, oh my god, wait,
is James like sweet? And no he's not, obviously, but
it's funny because James thinks that this has redeemed him
of everything even though he cheated. That's what annoys me too.
It's like, Okay, he cheated on Raquel with La La,
(25:52):
and La La cheated on Raquel with James, like, which
is okay, so you're just gonna pretend that never happened.
And then Lalla's like it was six years to go.
It's like that's not that long. That pretty big deal too.
And also if you watch the earlier seasons, like Raquel
is very insecure by how like James flirts with Lala
and they both completely like gaslight her about it. Anyway,
(26:13):
the point is James is like acting like now he's
like one of the victims of this situation. And Kristin
Dowdy posted like an International Women's Day thing with like
her and Arianna and all the girls, And James commented
this with like the raising hands as if he's like,
oh mg, girl bosses, this international and slay And I'm like,
(26:35):
you are calling Susan or no, you're calling Laura a
fat bitch and then you're saying this to international Women's
A vide also observes International Women's Day. Thank you for observing,
Thank you for standing with us in our community of women. Yeah,
I'm very interested to watch the rest of these episodes.
A'm gonna love to see how Lisa vander Pump inserts herself.
(26:58):
I've never seen such acting as least of vander Pump
on the beginning of this show. By the way, it's
as if like she kin yeah, oh yeah, She'll like
totally like Lipcloss will look at them like literally from
the hostess bars if that's where she's working, and kind
of be like, hmm, it looks like Jack since Stasi
are fighting, Um, I do love Stacy. I want to
(27:20):
give a shout out to her, just for the exchange
where they're fighting in front of people, all of their
best friends quote unquote, and um Jack says, yeah, something
the couch because I'd rather sleep on the couch than
get in bed with the devil. And Katie is like,
oh Jack's and Saucy looks at him with a stare
(27:40):
that could freeze you to death in your tracks and goes,
I am the devil, and don't you ever forget it?
And I thought I thought a star was born was born.
She really pulled it together. I'm glad you said quote
best friends unquote, because it is so crazy when you
(28:01):
do a rewatch, which I have been doing a Vanderpump rules,
like these people have treated each other like they are
so awful to each other. When you watch the new
teaser midseason teaser that was released that shows all of
these people inside sir watching Lisa Vanderpump giving a tearful
speech about how their lives are falling apart, it's like
(28:23):
they're all so interconnected and they're all so awful to
each other, but yet they all like stay friends somehow.
It's like they've all found each other in this weird
little universe and they can't really make friends outside of it,
and they say the worst shit ever about each other,
and then when something bad happens, they're like, you will
(28:44):
never disrespect my friend. And it's like, didn't you just
say that she's a piece of shit and that Katie
and Tom shouldn't be getting married and that Katie is tequila,
Katie and Tom is abusive and all like it's just
it's so uh, it's really something else. It's also tragic,
(29:05):
how I mean, no, tragic is the wrong word. They're
chasing fame so hard when the season one, so they
kind of find out like this is life and you know,
this is the role I chose. None of them are
going to be famous for. There's literally like being famous
when her shit, Like I mean where I asked, Like
Kristen says at one point when I win my oscar.
When I win my oscar, she says, it's not great. Listen.
(29:31):
She's she is a published author. She wrote a book
called He's Making You Crazy. Also Shana singing in the
first the Pilot and saying that I used to get
mistaken for Britney Spears at the mall when I was
a kid because I look exactly like her, and her
saying I'm not a singer, I'm a performer, and then
her literally just doing poor. I was like, this is
(29:53):
a scam, like we're watching someone get like sexually exploited,
like THENK being like, now you're doing porn star voices
and she's just going like yeah in the microphone, and
I thought, this is making lu Anne like comfortable somewhere.
Luanna's watching the summer and going, oh, thank god, it
wasn't that bad. I know, there's there's so many people
on vander Pump who attempt singing, Like I hate to
(30:15):
say this because she's going through so much right now,
but there there is a moment where Ariana tries to
sing and it's really upsetting. But also I noticed too
that Lala, So Lala did this song um where the
only lyrics are turned musica play lad like this exactly
like that that's how she feels like that, and play
(30:35):
lad like this. No, but I didn't like it, but
they ended up using it as like the filler music
for a couple of scenes, you know, when when the
scene changes and it's like sunsetple odd lights flash flash,
like they use that play loud like this sometimes and
I'm like, oh, it's Laa, Oh, I'm familiar with this artist.
(30:57):
I m am a little bit work Like Lala's life
is very dark. I know it's upsetting again. Lala is
one that There's been moments where I've hated her, and
I've really hated like the whole My man, my man,
he's buying me Gucci sides. My man is like I can't.
(31:17):
But then she is a huge hypocrite. She cries and
gets real sometimes in moments where I'm like, wait, I
actually love you, and like, I do think she's a
really this is the thing that I'll say about Lala.
I do think she's a really good friend to the
people she cares about. And I think the same thing
about Stasie to a certain extent, but I can't say
(31:40):
that for the rest of them, Like I don't think
they necessarily show up for each other in that way.
But yeah, Laala is a hypocrite. I think she's very insecure,
but she wants to present as like I don't give
a fuck, like whatever, But I think she's much more
fragile than she lets on. Yeah, she did have a
poem she was accidentally a feminist for a second when
(32:00):
she was talking about you know, being a quote unquote mistress,
and she was like, so I'm going to get blamed
for a man's decision, and I was like, babe, let's
refocus the conversation. You're literally accusing Raquel of like well
and listen, she's not wrong. That's the thing is that
Lala did have the female intuition that we all have
and that we all get clued into at a certain point,
(32:23):
which is in RuPaul's world. Something in this milking it right.
Something is not right here, something is not safe around
this person. Yeah. I was recently, and this is maybe
a brag. I was recently called a girls girl and
I hadn't heard that phrase in so long, and I
held it close to my heart because I was like,
that is what we are looking for. That is what
(32:43):
we're looking for to be safe in this world. And
you can always identify someone who liked Shana. In the
last episode of episode ten, I watch who is like,
I'm one of the guys. It's guy's night, but i
am there because I'm basically one of the guys, and
You're like, no, you're actually my least favorite kind of woman.
Shena is the most painful to watch as a as
(33:05):
a full spectrum character. From rewatching every season, she has
the least amount of redeeming moments and there's actually moments
where like it just continues to get so much worse,
and you're like, is it really possible that someone's personality
is this bad? Like it's it's actually hard to believe
that someone's personality can be so bad. But yet she's
(33:29):
also a hero in many ways. If she did attack
Raquel the way she says, But I guess more will
be revealed in the areas as always revealed, as it
always is. And thus it was said. And I do
want to say that I'm very happy to be joined
this franchise. I feel welcomed by the community, I feel
excited by through Romance listeners, Devil is putting her finger
(33:51):
up like she wants to be called on Devil, because
I just had a thought, which is how beautiful is
this franchise? Vander Pump rules that you have only just begun.
You've watched maybe four episodes, okay, and you already have
this much to say about it? And how much have
we had to say about the fucking the entire season
(34:14):
of Bachelor We talked on here to talk about it,
by the way, and and Devin and I and you
know what we were We were fed up. We were
fed up were tied a bad times up on the Bachelor.
We're done. We are calling this for what it is.
It's not entertaining anymore. It's not and we have given
it more chances than I have given ex boyfriends, and
I have given them lots of chances. So we are
(34:37):
saying times up. We are seeing me too, me too
was affected. I was affected by the Bachelor. Bo that's
not me too, worked right? Me too was affected by
the season of The Bachelor. Yes, and I was. I
was at the Women's Mark March saying two was affected.
Me too, was affected by this Me too? Me too.
I don't like it, me too, but I love me
(34:59):
say me too. I am going to try to watch
the finale episode of the Bachelor because or next week,
because I just want to see the intense drama that
the music and effects that they put into the very
simple thing of a man a straight band saying, I
don't think I'm gonna have sex with any of these
girls because it's not one thing I wanted to see.
(35:20):
And I thought that we can all agree that it's
because he's bad in bed. No, but then he goes
back on it. He's like then he has like a
confessional thing with Jesse where he's like, he's like, I
had sex with someone and you're like, oh my god,
what kind of virginity pack bullshit is this? I know
and like him calling it sex week, and it's just
it's so upsetting. And I will say, Katie, the one
who lives in Austin who had him like put together
(35:42):
her furniture, I actually do like her, and I think
she's like very chill and like normal seeming, and I
think she's kind of funny. I think she just deserves
much better than him, but I like to watch her.
She's like the only redeeming thing at this point because
I don't care about arieal no offense, and I don't
care obviously about Gabby, but I do think he's going
to choose Gabby, so I think so too. I also
(36:04):
think that putting together furniture is a very good test,
Like that was one of those date situations where I
was like, this is actually cool. In order to get
to know someone, It's like, I do want to see
how you deal with an annoying situation and will you
make it fun? Will you bond with me? Or will
you like complain to say that you directions don't work.
Imagine if he just totally lost his ship and like
(36:25):
started crying because it was so hard, so hard to
put that. Once my college boyfriend started crying because he
was having a hard time getting through to his credit
card company, and I was relate to him. I do
relate to him, but even at the moment, I was like,
this is you're such a baby point being I'm a
baby me too, line baby point being. I cannot wait
(36:49):
to continue checking in about vander Pump. I think that
we should probably check in every episode to do a briefly.
Won't take it over, won't take a thousand percent, but
we need to keep checking in because it's it's too hot.
We have to take We have to say that with
the seas the day, take advantage of this time. Be
(37:10):
grateful for you know, the drama, and we would love
if you all took some time out of your day
to stay informed and find out what's happening and you're
in the world because so many people do not know
what's going on. And by the way, like there's something
(37:30):
to be said for like I said, pausing, don't just
watch the episode. I think I think take a moment
after the episode and really process what's happened, because we
need to pay attention to every single detail, and I
think sometimes you'll find the editors are trying to point
you to certain things, and that's my fingers to my nose.
(37:52):
That's a gift, and we need to give the editors
their due respect by really keying into transitions, the random
shot here and there, What are they grabbing, what are
they picking up on? We need to be there for that.
I highly recommend getting your TikTok algorithm in this space
of vandal Hump, because what's happening is that I'm now
(38:13):
getting just like random clip people, people are doing the
Lord's work, which is going back and finding these moments
from previous seasons that are like foreshadowing. So I think
that's really helpful, like seeing old moments, seeing like, Okay, remember,
we have to hold accountable the fact that this happened,
like we have to as humans, human beings, hold each
other accountable. And that's what people are doing by rewatching
(38:35):
and finding moments that further proof that basically, Ariana's perfect
angel and Sandoval is one of the worst douchebags to
walk this um, this green earth. Here until next time,
I love you, Devin, Love you, Carol. True, It's true.
(39:07):
True man sits a romantic Love me baby, don't leave
me hanging. I want truths.
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